Re: cat herding versus trendy tech

2018-05-26 Thread Mark Post 
>>> On 5/26/2018 at 10:22 AM, Rick Troth  wrote: 
> Curious, Mark, if SLES15 will dispense with /lib64 and /usr/lib64.

No.  After all, while 64-bit is the current "standard," that won't last 
forever.  But, I doubt that the thought even occurred to anyone.


Mark Post

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Re: cat herding versus trendy tech

2018-05-26 Thread Paul Flint 

Truth

On Sat, 26 May 2018, Rick Troth wrote:


Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 11:44:31 -0400
From: Rick Troth <r...@casita.net>
Reply-To: Linux on 390 Port <LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU>
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: cat herding versus trendy tech

On 05/26/2018 10:29 AM, Paul Flint wrote:

Greetings Truth (sp? :^),

Forgive my inability to spell.


[warning: next paragraph might render funny to some readers]

The name derives from olde English, "trowþ " (my favorite, love that
Icelandic thorn) or "trēowþ" or "trēowth" or "trɒθ", meaning commit,
engage, pledge. (Look it up in Webster's.) I pronounce it with a short
"o" like broth, moth, sloth. On the other side of the pond they'd use
the long "o" like both, oath, betroth (hah!). Many will have heard a
certain phrase spoken in weddings ... plight thee? Truth itself was
spelled "trīewþ" in the 14th century.

Nuttin wrong with your spelling, sir.



Are you suggesting that HPE may be the next purveyor of a distro with
magic sauce?


Not at all.
Many institutions have their own in-house Linux (or other systems). HPE
has ample need for embedded software, reference systems, and such as
justify a home-grown OS. They do not publish it. It runs on hardware HPE
cares ab out, thus it does not run on z, even though Debian runs on z.

HP/HPE have been Linux fans for a long time. Bdale Garbee (a pillar in
the Debian world) was a fixture there until a few months after the
split. So HPE Linux (or "hLinux") is a Debian spin.

Reference system ... I use hLinux for exactly that. Might lose access to
it since I do not work for HPE. (Better upgrade while I still have
access, eh?) I'm intrigued that it's a 64-bit system without the /lib64
and /usr/lib64 clutter. I DON'T KNOW if it magically supports 32-bit
apps from those 64-bit archives. (They would have to be mixed bitness.
Long story. Deep water.)



Most insightful and fascinating...


To you and to me, yes. I wish we could infect others with our
fascination. Some of it simply makes for good weekend conversation. But
some of it matters in business matters because it supports a foundation
of knowing what the [expletive deleted] is going on under the fluff and
hype of marketing and packaging.



Sincerely,

Flint


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Re: cat herding versus trendy tech

2018-05-26 Thread Rick Troth 
On 05/26/2018 10:29 AM, Paul Flint wrote:
> Greetings Truth (sp? :^),
>
> Forgive my inability to spell.

[warning: next paragraph might render funny to some readers]

The name derives from olde English, "trowþ " (my favorite, love that
Icelandic thorn) or "trēowþ" or "trēowth" or "trɒθ", meaning commit,
engage, pledge. (Look it up in Webster's.) I pronounce it with a short
"o" like broth, moth, sloth. On the other side of the pond they'd use
the long "o" like both, oath, betroth (hah!). Many will have heard a
certain phrase spoken in weddings ... plight thee? Truth itself was
spelled "trīewþ" in the 14th century.

Nuttin wrong with your spelling, sir.


> Are you suggesting that HPE may be the next purveyor of a distro with
> magic sauce?

Not at all.
Many institutions have their own in-house Linux (or other systems). HPE
has ample need for embedded software, reference systems, and such as
justify a home-grown OS. They do not publish it. It runs on hardware HPE
cares ab out, thus it does not run on z, even though Debian runs on z.

HP/HPE have been Linux fans for a long time. Bdale Garbee (a pillar in
the Debian world) was a fixture there until a few months after the
split. So HPE Linux (or "hLinux") is a Debian spin.

Reference system ... I use hLinux for exactly that. Might lose access to
it since I do not work for HPE. (Better upgrade while I still have
access, eh?) I'm intrigued that it's a 64-bit system without the /lib64
and /usr/lib64 clutter. I DON'T KNOW if it magically supports 32-bit
apps from those 64-bit archives. (They would have to be mixed bitness.
Long story. Deep water.)


> Most insightful and fascinating...

To you and to me, yes. I wish we could infect others with our
fascination. Some of it simply makes for good weekend conversation. But
some of it matters in business matters because it supports a foundation
of knowing what the [expletive deleted] is going on under the fluff and
hype of marketing and packaging.


> Sincerely,
>
> Flint

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Re: cat herding versus trendy tech

2018-05-26 Thread Paul Flint 

Greetings Truth (sp? :^),

Forgive my inability to spell.

Are you suggesting that HPE may be the next purveyor of a distro with 
magic sauce?


Most insightful and fascinating...

Sincerely,

Flint

On Sat, 26 May 2018, Rick Troth wrote:


Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 10:22:19 -0400
From: Rick Troth 
Reply-To: Linux on 390 Port 
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: cat herding versus trendy tech

Finger up in the air. Wind's blowing thattaway. Yup, head there.


On 05/25/2018 06:07 PM, Mark Post wrote:

 ... starting with SLES15, we'll no longer be shipping the 31/32-bit 
compatibility libraries on any of the architectures we support.


Told ya.
And I believe I said I can't blame them. (Multiple architectures is a
royal pain.)
Bummer none the less.

The reason I'm sad to see it is because I hate being boxed into any
corner. (Even self-painted corners, acknowledging that sometimes it's my
own fault.) So in this case, I hate being unable to run 32-bit because
of a packaging change in the distro. (But see my reply to Phil Kern
about static vs shared.)

Curious, Mark, if SLES15 will dispense with /lib64 and /usr/lib64. HPE's
internal Linux (Debian based) squishes out the bitness from the naming.
(But they might be doing other magic, as Phillip alluded to.) After all,
that company presently owns what remains of (DEC) VMS which got
multi-arch right ... thirty years ago.

[sigh] So many platforms; so little time.

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