Linux-Advocacy Digest #232

2001-06-14 Thread Digestifier

Linux-Advocacy Digest #232, Volume #35   Thu, 14 Jun 01 11:13:04 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Burkhard 
=?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=)
  Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Burkhard 
=?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=)
  Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=)
  Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and(Thaddius 
Maximus)
  Re: OT:  Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and  (Rotten168)
  Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux  starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in  the   dust!) (chrisv)
  Re: Linux freindly ISPs? (Andy Jeffries)
  Re: Getting used to Linux (Donal K. Fellows)
  Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Rotten168)
  Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when (Rotten168)
  Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and   (Thaddius 
Maximus)
  Re: Why did Eazel shutdown? (Donal K. Fellows)
  Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (Donal K. Fellows)
  Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (Donal K. Fellows)
  Re: Linux freindly ISPs? (Tom Ross)
  Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (Donal K. Fellows)
  Re: Redhat video problems. (flatfish+++)
  Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (SSunbird)



From: Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?= 
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:51:47 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Sky King wrote:
 
 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
  Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
  
   drsquare wrote:
   
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:32:03 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
 (S.T. Pickrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
   
drsquare wrote:

 That part that they're equally transferrable through homosexual and
 heterosexual sex.

In Africa and Asia you're certainly right.

In North America, it seems more homosexuals get it. Whether the
gap will close or not is another issue.
   
Do they? Have you got any EVIDENCE? No, you haven't. So fuck off until
you have.
  
   U.S. AIDS CASES BY EXPOSURE CATEGORY
  
   EXPOSURE CATEGORY Sub-totals # of AIDS CASES
   Men who have sex with men - 326,051
   Injecting drug use - -
   MALE 126,889 -
   FEMALE 46,804 -
   TOTAL - 173,693
   Men who have sex w/men and inject drugs - 43,640
   Hemophilia/coagulation disorder - -
   MALE 4,663 -
   FEMALE 248 -
   TOTAL - 4,911
   Heterosexual contact - -
   MALE 23,361 -
   FEMALE 43,128 -
   TOTAL - 66,490
   Receipt of blood transfusion, blood components, or tissue - -
   MALE 4,784 -
   FEMALE 3,598 -
   TOTAL - 8,382
   Risk not reported or identified - -
   MALE 41,037 -
   FEMALE 15,533 -
   TOTAL - 56,572
  
- center for disease control, 1999
  
   --
   Aaron R. Kulkis
 
  Once again, without more information, these numbers are useless.
 
 What info you looking for?  I will find it and post IT. sky

The source of the figure above.
The publication.


-- 
=
Burkhard Wölfel  
v e r s u c h s a n s t a l t (at) g m x . de
pubkey for this adress @ pgp.net 
=

--

From: Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?= 
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:51:04 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
 
 Burkhard Wölfel wrote:
 
  Rick wrote:
  
   Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
   
drsquare wrote:

 On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:32:03 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
  (S.T. Pickrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 drsquare wrote:
 
  That part that they're equally transferrable through homosexual and
  heterosexual sex.
 
 In Africa and Asia you're certainly right.
 
 In North America, it seems more homosexuals get it. Whether the
 gap will close or not is another issue.

 Do they? Have you got any EVIDENCE? No, you haven't. So fuck off until
 you have.
   
U.S. AIDS CASES BY EXPOSURE CATEGORY
   
EXPOSURE CATEGORY Sub-totals # of AIDS CASES
Men who have sex with men - 326,051
Injecting drug use - -
MALE 126,889 -
FEMALE 46,804 -
TOTAL - 173,693
Men who have sex w/men and inject drugs - 43,640
Hemophilia/coagulation disorder - -
MALE 4,663 -
FEMALE 248 -
TOTAL - 4,911
Heterosexual contact - -
MALE 23,361 -
FEMALE 43,128 -
TOTAL - 66,490
Receipt of blood transfusion, blood components, or tissue - -
MALE 4,784 -
FEMALE 3,598 -
TOTAL - 8,382
Risk not reported or identified

Linux-Advocacy Digest #232

2001-03-31 Thread Digestifier

Linux-Advocacy Digest #232, Volume #33   Sat, 31 Mar 01 20:13:04 EST

Contents:
  Re: Multitasking (Barry Manilow)
  Re: Formatting a floppy (Barry Manilow)
  Re: German armed forces ban MS software  gloat! (Roger)
  Re: Formatting a floppy (Barry Manilow)
  Re: German armed forces ban MS software  gloat! (Roger)
  Re: Linux on Compaq...coming this Summer. ("Joseph Ogiba")
  Re: Why can't we just all be friends? (The Ghost In The Machine)
  Re: German armed forces ban MS software  gloat! ("Paul 'Z' Ewande®")
  Re: German armed forces ban MS software  gloat! ("Paul 'Z' Ewande®")
  Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? (Roger)
  Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("Joseph T. Adams")
  Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("Joseph T. Adams")



From: Barry Manilow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Multitasking
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:44:11 -0800

"Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
 
 Barry Manilow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 :  Said Paul 'Z' Ewande® in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 30 Mar 2001
 
 :   What I do next is point out that you *still* haven't put forward the
 :  evidence that NT multitasking is crap. you lose.
 : 
 :  That doesn't make NT's multitasking any more acceptable, though, does
 :  it?
 : 
 : It is not that good either.  I know people who have used most OS's out
 : there.
 
 : The best multitaskers:
 
 : 1. Amiga
 
 Yeah.  Great.  Multitasking without any sort
 of reliable memory protection.

True, this was a flaw but the OS was pretty stable.  I know people who
ran it for 11 years without even one crash.  No OS is perfect!  Can NT
run 110 programs at once with 50 MHZ and 16 MB?  Didn't think so. 
Then don't knock Amiga's multitasking. 
 
 : 2. OS/2 Warp
 : 3. QNX (close third)
 : 4. BeOS (very good)
 : 5. Various Unixen, including Linux
 : 6. NT/Win2K
 : 7. Win XX
 : 8. Mac OS
 
 : This lineup is pretty indisputable.  The only controversy seems to be
 
 The only thing that is indisputable is the fact
 that you are cognizant of absolutely nothing.

Ah.  Elitism speaks.
-- 
Bob
Being flamed?  Don't know why?  Take the Flame Questionnaire(TM)
today!
Why do you think you are being flamed?
[ ] You continued a long, stupid thread
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From: Barry Manilow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Formatting a floppy
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:46:37 -0800

"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
 
 Said Barry Manilow in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:24:56
 "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
 
 Format a floppy.  Start a few downloads.  Open up Office.  Play an
 MP3.  Encode another MP3.  Open up 3 separate videos and start playing
 all of them.  Start a couple of chess games.  Render some graphics in
 the background.  Open Excel and calc a spreadsheet.  Open up Word and
 start typing in your word processor.  Open up a full-screen session of
 Doom and minimize it.  Scan an 120 MB image on high-resolution.  Start
 up your emailer and download your email.  Burn a CD.
 
 On a WinDOS box?  I thought we were testing floppy formatting, not
 trying to crash the thing.

Yet there are OS's that can stay up under this load and people are
running them right now.  Can Win-anything do this?  No way!
 
 Start doing all of these things on Windows anything, adding one at a
 time.  Any bets on when it starts sputtering, slowing down to the
 point of uselessness, or totally locking up and crashing?  U think
 that scan is gonna look good?  U think that MP3 will be smooth.  U
 think u can type full-speed in the WP.  What do you think those videos
 will look and sound like?  U think u won't burn a coaster in your CD
 drive?  U think u will be able to play any of those games at all?  You
 are wrong.
 
 Or try this.  Open up more than 260 programs all at once and run them
 and work on them at the same time on an ordinary PC system.  U think
 Win-anything can do this?
 
 You've misconstrued my argument, and overstated your case.

Of course I have.  My point is that not only can Win-anything not do
the above but it usually cannot format a floppy and do much of
anything else.  Certainly it cannot format and play an MP3 and do a
couple of downloads.
-- 
Bob
Being flamed?  Don't know why?  Take the Flame Questionnaire(TM)
today!
Why do you think you are being flamed?
[ ] You continued a long, stupid thread
[ ] You started an off-topic thread
[ ] You posted something totally uninteresting
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #232

2001-02-16 Thread Digestifier

Linux-Advocacy Digest #232, Volume #32   Fri, 16 Feb 01 08:13:05 EST

Contents:
  Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Peter Hayes)
  Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Peter Hayes)
  Re: I will give MS credit for one thing (Donn Miller)
  Re: DOS2Unix ("Karel Jansens")
  Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! ("Karel Jansens")
  Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push. ("Karel Jansens")
  Re: This is astonishing (MS/DRM/Hardware Control) ("Karel Jansens")
  Re: Linux Threat: non-existant ("Karel Jansens")
  Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Robert Surenko)
  Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? (Ketil Z Malde)
  Re: The Windows guy. ("Mike")
  Re: ReiserFS (mlw)
  Re: The Windows guy. ("Edward Rosten")
  Re: The Windows guy. ("Edward Rosten")
  Re: Linux 64 bit and Windows 32 bit ("Edward Rosten")
  Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ("Edward Rosten")
  Re: Interesting article (Ketil Z Malde)
  Re: "Linux is Going Down" says Microsoft (Charlie Ebert)
  Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux ("Edward Rosten")
  Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux ("Edward Rosten")



From: Peter Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:09:37 +
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 04:45:51 GMT, T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Said Erik Funkenbusch in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sat, 10 Feb 2001
 17:59:38 -0600; 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
 news:963qin$i8f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
  Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   In effect MS will control what I can do with MY computer and the OS,
   which i gave money for (lots of it, to boot).
 
   You don't own the OS, you only own the license, even with Linux.
 
  Look, funkybreath, quit talking about linux.  Every time you say
  *anything* about linux, you make yourself look like a complete idiot.
 
 Are you stating specifically that you do in fact own the intellectual
 property contained in a Linux distribution?
 
 Just a copy of it.
 
 That goes against the comments
 embedded in the source code and against the GPL.  The copyright owner owns
 the software, not the licensee.
 
 No, the copyright owner owns the intellectual property, not the
 software.  According to some theory, there is a magical 'original copy'
 which the author always owns, but the fact is that is a crutch for those
 who can't grasp abstractions.  In reality, if you purchased a 'software
 package', then you own that software package. 

You don't own that "software package". All you own is the "package"[ing].
A plastic and aluminium disk worth a few pennies, and a few pieces of paper
on which the manufacturer may have printed some information. You've also
paid for the right to use (not "own") the information on the disk within
defined parameters. 

 Trying to confuse things
 with epistemological double-speak has no bearing on the matter.

Yeup

Peter
-- 

In the 19th century surveyors measured the height of Everest
from 500 miles away in India.
This cannot be done today. Everest is no longer visible from
the survey location due to increased atmospheric pollution.

--

From: Peter Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:09:38 +
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 02:41:10 -0600, "Erik Funkenbusch" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 The market will speak on this.  MS can't force people.

They might have been able to a couple of years ago, but not now with a
viable alternable in the wings.

The problem with Linux is there's no central marketing to push the product.
Some might say that's a good thing.

Peter
-- 

In the 19th century surveyors measured the height of Everest
from 500 miles away in India.
This cannot be done today. Everest is no longer visible from
the survey location due to increased atmospheric pollution.

--

From: Donn Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I will give MS credit for one thing
Date: 16 Feb 2001 06:18:09 -0600

Brian Langenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Have you tried "mtv" yet?  While it is shareware, I've yet to find
 an MPEG file that it doesn't like.  I recommend giving it a try
 and post back if it works/doesn't work on your setup.


Yep, works great.  See, I was using xmms+smpeg, and I don't think the audio
and video are synchronised.  You probably wouldn't notice this on little
mpegs, so xmms is more than sufficient for these.  In fact, mtv works even
better than WMP, because it's running on a much better OS.


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Linux-Advocacy Digest #232

2001-01-03 Thread Digestifier

Linux-Advocacy Digest #232, Volume #31Thu, 4 Jan 01 00:13:04 EST

Contents:
  Re: Question with Security on Linux/Unix versus Windows NT/2000 ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Uptimes (Charlie Ebert)
  Re: Why NT? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com ("Aaron R. 
Kulkis")
  Re: Why NT? (Charlie Ebert)
  Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Why NT? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Would Linux be invented if? (Charlie Ebert)
  Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Linux vs Microsoft (Perry Pip)
  Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: COM on UNIX (Russ Lyttle)



From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Question with Security on Linux/Unix versus Windows NT/2000
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:20:13 -0500

kiwiunixman wrote:
 
 Thank you.  Also, if NT was a true multi-user OS why would you need a
 third party tool to make it possible.

Doh!


 
 kiwiunixman
 
 Les Mikesell wrote:
 
  "Todd" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
  news:92aaqs$f3s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 
  Multi user is when you share the servers/workstation resources
  (CPU/Mem/hdd space) with multiple users.  NT has never had multi-user
  support until Citrix released Citrix Winframe, which allows a sort of
  suedo multi-user system possible.
 
  This statement is blatantly false.
 
 
  But true in a practical sense.
 
 
  To prove this, fire up rcmd under a different user, and connect to a
 
  NT/2000
 
  machine.
 
 
  And try to run all your applications.
 
 
  Check the 'owner' of the objects, and you will see that they are owned by
  the user that connected with rcmd.  When something is executed on the NT
  machine, the process and everything else is owned by the rcmd user.  You
 
  can
 
  have different users at the same time, of course, each using their own
  resources.
 
 
  But the applications - remember the reason you have the computer and
  OS in the first place - virtually all insist on using only the console and
  NT has no concept of sharing that access among multiple users at the
  same time.
 
 
  Please brush up on your NT knowledge.
 
 
  He understands the situation.  As does Citrix and MS itself since there
  are extra-cost add-ons to work around this omission.
 
  Les Mikesell
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

--

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 04:22:14 GMT

In article NXQ46.477$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Chad C. Mulligan wrote:


BTW, typical penguinista tactics here, rather than continuing a discussion,
just attack the opponent.


Well.  Being a blithering dumbass is your MO.

If you don't want it baby then don't flaunt it.

Charlie




--

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why NT?
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:22:04 -0500

mlw wrote:
 
 With operating systems as great as Linux and FreeBSD available for free,
 why would anyone consider Windows NT Server?
 
 I can't think of a single reason why any responsible IT department would
 deploy NT.

Because some IT managers are invested up to their ears in Microshaft,
and have a conflict of interest.


 
 --
 http://www.mohawksoft.com


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ

Linux-Advocacy Digest #232

2000-11-14 Thread Digestifier

Linux-Advocacy Digest #232, Volume #30   Tue, 14 Nov 00 12:13:03 EST

Contents:
  Re: Journaling FS Question (Was: Re: Of course, there is a down side...) (spam)
  Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (Roberto Selbach Teixeira)
  Re: The Sixth Sense ("Bruce Schuck")
  Re: The Sixth Sense ("Bruce Schuck")
  Re: The Sixth Sense ("Bruce Schuck")
  Re: The Sixth Sense ("Bruce Schuck")
  Re: The Sixth Sense ("Bruce Schuck")
  Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (sfcybear)
  Re: The Sixth Sense ("Bruce Schuck")
  Re: The Sixth Sense ("Christopher Smith")
  Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (Stuart Fox)
  Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")



From: spam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Journaling FS Question (Was: Re: Of course, there is a down side...)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 08:28:52 -0800

On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:24:42 -0800, "Bruce Schuck" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


"Les Mikesell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:KC4Q5.20465$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...

 "Bruce Schuck" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
 news:9mWP5.126188$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 
  http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q101/6/70.ASP

  
   Where does it say that what it considers as a transaction includes the
   data?  I question this because I have seen other sources that said it
   didn't.
 
  When a user updates a file, the Log File Service records all redo and
undo
  information for the transaction. For recoverability, redo information
 allows
  NTFS to roll the transaction forward (repeat the transaction if
 necessary),
  and undo allows NTFS to roll the transaction back if an error occurs.
 
 You are extremely gullible if you take that statement as saying that the
 data is considered part of the transaction.   I always assume the worst
 out of habit when I see any such omission of details in a warm-fuzzy
 description, especially from a certain large company, but I see someone
 else posted the link to the admission that it doesn't.

From: http://www.executive.com/whats-new/whitepaper.asp#_Toc463769977
NTFS is a recoverable file system. This means that operations in NTFS are
transactions, as in a database. Either the entire operation completes or the
operating system has the capability to roll back the unfinished portion,
safeguarding the integrity of the existing data. NTFS also stores redundant
copies of critical file system structures in the unlikely event that
physical damage makes one copy of them inaccessible.

Or: http://www.digit-life.com/articles/ntfs/index.html

Journalising

NTFS is a fail-safe system which can correct itself at practically any real
failure. Any modern file system is based on such concept as transaction -
the action made wholly and correct or not made at all. NTFS just doesn't
have intermediate (erratic or incorrect) conditions - the data variation
quantum cannot be divided on before failure or after it bringing breakups
and muddle - it is either accomplished or cancelled.


None of this talks about file content being journalled - its not in
NTFS.

Glenn Davies

--

From: Roberto Selbach Teixeira [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
Date: 14 Nov 2000 14:28:07 -0500

 "mlw" == mlw  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

mlw The one problem I have with many of Open Source people is
mlw this sort of emotional dislike for C++.

I don't know it there really is a general dislike of C++. Some people
like it, some don't. That is as simple as that.

mlw This is not a troll! I am being serious and sincere. I am a
mlw software engineer / architect professionally, and I have had
mlw to argue this point many times with some of guys we hire. It
mlw is my role to make sure the right decisions are made.

mlw Under what circumstances is "C" a better choice than "C++?"
mlw (excluding backward compatibility in an existing product)

C is better that C++ in the fact that C is more portable. C++ is not
yet implemented in (no so) many platforms while C is implemented
everywhere. Also, some implementations of C++ are not complete and
most are way behind in ANSI C++ compliance.

But that is it. Some will argue that C++ is bloated. Nonsense.

C++ is a great programming language and as I mentioned before I don't
think there is a general dislike of C++ in the open source/free
software community. Sure, RMS tells us to use C unless there is no
other way (read the GNU guidelines), but many free software projects
use C++ (QT, KDE, Blackbox, Lyx, to name a few famous ones).

--
Roberto Teixeira

--

From: "Bruce Schuck" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windo

Linux-Advocacy Digest #232

2000-09-20 Thread Digestifier

Linux-Advocacy Digest #232, Volume #29   Wed, 20 Sep 00 10:13:06 EDT

Contents:
  Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools) (Jack Troughton)
  Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: "Real Unix" Vs Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: [OT] Global warming.  (was Public v. Private Schools) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (David M. Butler)
  Re: [OT] Global warming.  (was Public v. Private Schools) (Jim Stuyck)
  Re: [OT] Global warming.  (was Public v. Private Schools) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: [OT] Aaron the liar (Jason Bowen)
  Re: The Linux Experience ("Rich C")
  Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Tim Kelley)
  Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Bob Tennent)



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jack Troughton)
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:06:32 GMT

On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:54:02, "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

Jack Troughton wrote:
 
 On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:31:39, "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 Jack Troughton wrote:
 
  "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
  
   Jason Bowen wrote:
   
Bob Germer wrote:
   
 On 09/18/2000 at 06:38 AM,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Bowen) said:

  Except I didn't do that.  I pointed to some facts and didn't make claims
  as fact.  CFC's are man made and the CO2 level is verifiably higher than
  it has been in 600k years.

 You claim the CO2 level is higher now that it was 600 years ago based on
 experiments on artic ice. You claim that CO2 levels are higher in North
 America when the facts prove they are in deficit!
   
You don't understand what is being discussed.  North America as a continent 
produces less CO2
than the plant life on it consumes.  The rest of the world produces way more 
than is consumed.
It is called the addtive property of numbers and perhaps and elementary 
algebra class will help
you understand.
  
   Then maybe you ought to convince those OTHER countries to reform THEIR
   ways, and keep your fucking opinions to yourself in this country.
  
   MORON
 
  You really are into silencing dissent, aren't you? I was under the
 
 No.  I'm into getting the Ignorami among us to stop spreading their
 baseless PROPAGANDA.
 
 How do you know it's propaganda?

Note: No response.

  impression that the intellectual foundations of the US system of
  governance were all about making sure that people didn't keep their
  opinions to themselves.
 
 Are you saying arguing that it is good to NOT oppose liars
 
 You can oppose liars all you want... until the method of opposition is
 silencing them. Or have you forgotten the right to speech enshrined in
 the US consititution?

I'm calling on YOU to be a good man and STOP SPREADING LIES.

Exactly what lies is it you're accusing me of?

-- 
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* http://jakesplace.dhs.org ftp://jakesplace.dhs.org *
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:49:17 -0400

Jack Troughton wrote:
 
 On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:54:02, "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 Jack Troughton wrote:
 
  On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:31:39, "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
  Jack Troughton wrote:
  
   "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
   
Jason Bowen wrote:

 Bob Germer wrote:

  On 09/18/2000 at 06:38 AM,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Bowen) said:
 
   Except I didn't do that.  I pointed to some facts and didn't make 
claims
   as fact.  CFC's are man made and the CO2 level is verifiably higher 
than
   it has been in 600k years.
 
  You claim the CO2 level is higher now that it was 600 years ago based on
  experiments on artic ice. You claim that CO2 levels are higher in North
  America when the facts prove they are in deficit!

 You don't understand what is being discussed.  North America as a 
continent produces less CO2
 than the plant life on it consumes.  The rest of the world produces way 
more than is consumed.
 It is called the addtive property of numbers and perhaps and elementary 
algebra class will help
 you understand.
   
Then maybe you ought to convince those 

Linux-Advocacy Digest #232

2000-08-04 Thread Digestifier

Linux-Advocacy Digest #232, Volume #28Fri, 4 Aug 00 21:13:05 EDT

Contents:
  Re: one  of Lenin's Useful Idiots denies reality ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: AARON KULKIS...USENET SPAMMER, LIAR, AND THUG ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: LOREN PETRICH...CLOSET-DICTATOR ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Unix user 10yrs + says Linux is bollocks (mlw)
  Re: Linux as embedded OS (Andres Soolo)
  Re: Linux or Windows 2000  (Aaron Ginn)
  Re: Why Lycos Selected Microsoft and Intel (mlw)
  Re: Linux as embedded OS (Andres Soolo)
  Re: Unix user 10yrs + is a fool
  Re: Unix user 10yrs + says Linux is bollocks (trem)
  Re: Micro$oft retests TPC benchmark (Sean LeBlanc)
  Re: KDE2 Yahooo!!! ("Rich C")
  Re: Micro$oft retests TPC benchmark ("Erik Funkenbusch")
  Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Erik Funkenbusch")



From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: 
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.society.liberalism,soc.singles
Subject: Re: one  of Lenin's Useful Idiots denies reality
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 19:45:05 -0400

Marcus Turner wrote:
 
 "SemiScholar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
 news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
  On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:57:00 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  ... Can you name one software product which Microsoft has developed
  successfully by themselves?
 
 Nope.
 Can You name a PC application in the last ten years that isn't based on
 prior art?
 
  Are you asking me?  If you think I'm a Microsoft fan, you couldn't be
  more wrong, but I'll take a stab at it.
 
  Lessee...  there was "Bob".   Hmmm...  welll,   nevermind that one...
 
  Excel.   They stole the idea of a spreadsheet, but they did write the
  product.  Same with Windows.  And NT (although they hired the DEC VMS
  guy to do it, but I suppose that counts).
 
  Ummm...  well, they did _write_ a lot of things (as opposed to
  purchasing them outright like SourceSafe or Visio), but I don't think
  I can point to anything they can actually claim to have _innovated_.
  Which is why it's always so comical to hear Bill Gates and Steve
  Ballmer use the word "innovate".  Especially Ballmer, who wouldn't
  know innovation if it bit him.  All MS ever does is see somebody
  else's clever idea and mimic it.  And by about the third iteration, it
  becomes usable.  "Microsoft:  Where Quality Is Job 3.1"
 
 Aside from the Bob jokes, Microsoft's claim to fame is the tight and
 pervasive level of integration that it has in the OS to the apps.  That is
 why it became so popular.
   ^^^

You misspelled "despised"

 
  But I'm still waiting to hear about that pre-1980 Unix windowing
  system.  (and emacs doesn't count).
 
 So am I.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"

J: Loren's Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

--

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: 
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.fan.rush-limbough,soc.singles
Subject: Re: AARON KULKIS...USENET SPAMMER, LIAR, AND THUG
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 19:48:04 -0400

Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
 
 On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 10:35:29 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 For example, if you are a retiree who wants INCOME, then you want
 dividends.
 
 Care to name some dividend stocks that you believe are good enough ? I'm
 not an expert on dividend stocks ( admittedly having little interest in
 them ) but from what I've seen, it seems that the annual return of a dividend
 stock is fairly poor unless the company is undergoing earnings growth
 ( with dividend stock

Linux-Advocacy Digest #232

2000-06-21 Thread Digestifier

Linux-Advocacy Digest #232, Volume #27   Wed, 21 Jun 00 16:13:03 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes (Joe Ragosta)
  Re: Linux, easy to use? ("kosh")
  Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes (Joe Ragosta)
  Re: I had a reality check today :( (JEDIDIAH)
  Re: Linux, easy to use? (Brian Langenberger)
  Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Pete Goodwin)
  Re: Windows98 (JEDIDIAH)
  Re: Linux, easy to use? (Pete Goodwin)
  Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes (JEDIDIAH)
  Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE ("John W. Stevens")
  Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE ("John W. Stevens")
  Re: Why We Should Be Nice To Windows Users -was- Neologism of the day (Rimrunner)
  Re: Why We Should Be Nice To Windows Users -was- Neologism of the day (Jim)
  Re: Linux, easy to use? (Tim Kelley)
  Re: Windows98 (Tim Kelley)
  Re: 486 Linux setup, 250 meg HD, which distro ??? (DeAnn Iwan)



From: Joe Ragosta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:29:45 GMT

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], "John W. Stevens" 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Barry Thomas wrote:
  
  Sorry, but I'm sick of this kind of meaningless drivel.
  
  Tell me, what point is there in naming your volumes the *same*???
 
 Who said anything about *YOU* doing this?
 
 What, is it impossible for anybody else in the world to name one of
 their volumes the same as you've named one of yours?
 
 What happens when the two of you have to work together?

On a Mac, the same thing as happens when your hard drives have different 
names. No problems at all.

What's so difficult about this?

--

From: "kosh" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux, easy to use?
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:22:02 -0700

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin) wrote:
 Imagine the following scene...
 
 Example I
 =
 
 I insert the "Applications 2" CD into my Linux Mandrake 7.0 system and 
 click on the CDRom Icon. I'm presented with a web style page of all the 
 applications on the CD. Very nice.
 
 I pick one and am led to the RPM's directory. I install it, and... cor 
 blimey guv'nor, where did it go? It apparently installed ok (well, I'm
 not  absolutely sure about that), but I can't see it on the menu
 _anywhere_.
 
 I pick another one, and I click on something that looks remarkably like
 a  shell script. Nothing happens. I click again... and nothing happens.
 I copy  the shell script to a seperate directory, and click on it...
 nothing  happens. I run up an XTerm and run the shell script... ah...
 checksum  error. Hmm... checksum error on a CDRom?
 
 Now, when I clicked on the same file in kfm, nothing is reported. At
 least,  not on the desktop. It _is_ reported but "underneath" X - if I
 switch to  the console (CTRL-ALT-F12). X regularly reports all sorts of
 things, but to  the process terminal that created it, and not to
 anywhere immediately  useful!
 
 ACK
 
 This is how Linux is better than Windows?
 
 Even Digital UNIX deliberately put up a console Window so you could
 _see_  these rather important messages!
 

You will be happy to know that this was fixed with Mandrake 7.1 which I
installed recently. It places all gui items on your menus and many non gui
items items. It does this for both KDE ang Gnome at least. 

Also with mandrake 7.1 many programs I try to run if they are not
installed it will prompt for a disk to install them since it knows what it
on the cds. You can also type urpmi program  and it will install that
program with all deps. If that name is not correct it will give you other
possible names. You can also use rpmdrake. Everything is sorted and you
don't need the CDs in the machine. Clikc on the program you want to
install and it will prompt for the correct disk.

 Example II
 ==
 
 KPackage is a nice tool to load RPM's. Unfortunaly, unlike the super
 user version of kfm, it doesn't prompt the user for the root password if
 it  tries to do something that requires priv's. So, fire up an XTerm,
 su, then  type xfm. Finally you get what you wanted.
 
 One of the file managers asks you for a password using a Console prompt!
  Nothing like a bit of inconsistancy there, huh?
 
 Pete

The easiest way to launch the super user version of kfm is there is an
icon for it in kde.  I do not remember what menu it is in for Mandrake 7.0
since they redid the menus in 7.1. They make a lot more sense now. 

One of the things I like about mandrake is they have learned from all the
problems you have had. Some things still need to be made smoother but on
the  whole it is the best dist I have used.  It also comes with reiserfs,
xf 4.0, usb support and many other nice features.


--

From: Joe Rago