Linux-Advocacy Digest #243
Linux-Advocacy Digest #243, Volume #35 Thu, 14 Jun 01 20:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. (Nigel Feltham) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)) Re: CP: Re: Want Linux on your desktop? Nine reasons to forget about it (Nova) Re: What does XP stands for ??? (George Alexeief) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (B. P. Uecker) Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Stephen S. Edwards II) Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Stephen S. Edwards II) From: Nigel Feltham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: the world thinks there is only windows. yahoo sucks. Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:26:06 -0400 yahoo is as stupid as any business out there which only makes its web pages to one platform. This is even more stupid when you realise that all of Yahoo's website servers are running FreeBSD ( http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/hosted?netname=FGC-REQ00010007,204.71.200.0,204.71.203.255 ). It really pisses me off when I see large companies who use Open-source software to run their servers yet refuse users with the same operating system to access those sites. If windows isn't good enough for them to use then why force use to use this crap. -- From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:16:38 -0400 Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote: unidentified poster wrote: More ideally, we should've listened more carefully to Patton, and just taken the USSR when we had the chance. Dumb idea. NEVER attack a country in which it's army can perform strategic withdrawal for 10,000 miles across a 3,000 mile-wide front. In such conditions, Even stupid snipers will take out 5 enemy soldiers before being killed themselves. Not only that..but...although the typical Russian is QUITE peaceful (less prone to support military aggression than American citizens), they are FIERCELY loyal to the cause when the country gets invaded. In WW2, the Red Army wasn't fighting for Stalinthey were fighting for MAMA AND GRANDMA How would that have helped? the US benefited in that the Soviet Union created the first biological weapon, when the US originally thought it would be impossible. First person in space, first sat. in space, first woman in space, first space station in space, first lander on venus. One can go on and on about the accomplishments of the former Soviet Union. Also, the only reason why the Soviet Union collapsed was the lack of re-investment back into their industries, thus, not enought hard currency coming back into the coffers (government's treasury) to pay the bills. The US didn't go to good either, ballooning the debt to 2 trillion dollars, over half of it due to Vietnam, which they lost miserably, which funny enough, the US still treats it as though they won. Matthew Gardiner -- I am the blue screen of death nobody hears your scream's Sepo is a cockney term for yank, however, in New Zealand and Australia a yank is a wank, well, same thing ;) For AOL and earthlink lusers asking stupid questions: Seek and ye shall find -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ # 3056642 L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] K: Truth in advertising: Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala, Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan, Special Interest Sierra Club, Anarchist Members of the ACLU Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement, J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4, The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle), also known as old hags who've hit the wall I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the challenge to describe even one philosophical difference between himself and the communists demonstrates
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #243, Volume #34Sun, 6 May 01 02:13:02 EDT Contents: Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: MS should sue the pants off linux-mandrake (was: Re: Winvocates confuse me - d'oh!) (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linux has one chance left. (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linux has one chance left. (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linux has one chance left. (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linux disgusts me (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linux disgusts me (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linux disgusts me (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linux disgusts me (T. Max Devlin) From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 05:59:37 GMT Said Pete Goodwin in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sat, 05 May 2001 19:36:45 Karel Jansens wrote: When Windows 9x adapts for daylight saving time, it changes the CMOS clock, which is a very braindead thing to do (or a sure sign of a lazy programmer's work). Windows does not ask for confirmation to do this, and the default in the settings is to automatically change the time. What kind of hack did you put in Windows to make it ask for confirmation? Windows has always present me with a dialog telling me daylight saving is in effect and this is the new time. I either accept or reject the change. No hacks required. Does it say accept and reject, or does it just say OK and cancel, and you're assuming the change is rejectable? -- T. Max Devlin *** The best way to convince another is to state your case moderately and accurately. - Benjamin Franklin *** -- From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 05:59:38 GMT Said Daniel Johnson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sat, 05 May 2001 Quantum Leaper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:Q4HI6.118153$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Got one already. A BSCS from Rensselaer Polytechnic. You must be a minority, then. Nobody as stupid as you could graduate with a BSCS unless you are a member of some political victim group. Atleast he finishes what he started, unlike some people. H? What's all this? Is there an amusing story behind this comment? No, just rampant ad hominem attacks against a couple trolls who didn't finish college. -- T. Max Devlin *** The best way to convince another is to state your case moderately and accurately. - Benjamin Franklin *** -- From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 05:59:39 GMT Said Daniel Johnson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sat, 05 May 2001 Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Daniel Johnson wrote: Those licenses exluded other OS's from being installed instead of Windows. Okay, okay, so you *are* claiming that. But no credible source says that. The FTC, the DOJ and the vendors said that. Who esle do you want? No, they don't. Yes, they did. Metaphorically, perhaps, but this is the jist of the matter. They have said that Microsoft made some deals with some vendors where MS got paid for each processor shipped, with Windows or no. PPL was only the FTC, and MS succeeded in being dishonest enough to soft-pedal it in the consent decree. The primary complaint which threatened Microsoft in 1995 was the forced bundling of Windows with DOS. But none that excluded other OSes. I'm going to have to insist that you stick with a single definition of OS, if you're planning to argue this point. That means either DOS *OR* Windows is an operating system. Which is it? Ferinstance, dual booting Windows and some obscure hobby OS is quite a common configuration for the techno-elite. A compy with a per-processor license could have addressed that market very nicely, thank you. B. Troll-meter overload, Daniel. You don't get responses (other than ridicule) when you wander off into some obscure hobby OS bullshitville. [...] -- T. Max Devlin
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #243, Volume #33Sun, 1 Apr 01 03:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Java, the "Dot-Com" Language? (spam)
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 01:10:26 -0500
Douglas Berry wrote:
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:01:59 -0800, a wanderer, known to us only as
GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] warmed at our fire and told this
tale:
While in Basic training in the Army, the drill instructor said if you
want to be an AirBorne Ranger that's up to you... then said "But two
things fall out of the sky: Bird shit and Fools!"
The second is a pretty good description of most Rangers.. :)
A guy in my platoon was cadre at the Florida phase for 3 weeks.
Guys standing in the middle of a swamp, put quarters in the tree,
trying to call home.
Then there was the guy who was med-evac'ed out, with only 3 days left
to go...genitals so badly infected they had turned purple. The medic
told him that if he did paper work on it, the guy would be helicoptered
out...and would *not* return in time to graduate.
Since he was already out of days, he had to redo the course.
--
Douglas E. Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
--
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 01:12:35 -0500
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:04:45 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:03:12 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
Mathew wrote:
What about Capitalist dictatorships like the Philippines under Marcos?
It's a perfect exampe of what I was saying: Economic freedom leads to
political freedom...because it destabilizes the dictatorship.
Singapore ?
Singapore was quite the benign dictatorship. The economic freedom
(to pack up and leave if things got bad) meant that those in charge
were kept in line by the simple specter of mass emmigration of
the most talented people to...somewhere beyond their control.
My point is that they have some economic freedom. I agree with you on
this point btw -- lack of economic freedom would result in mass-migration. See
China as a shining example of this ... yeah, I know China is poor, but
there are other poor countries where that the ethnic Chinese aren't
mass-migrating away from ...
But my point was that Singapore really doesn't offer any political freedom.
And their economic freedom has not produced political freedom
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #243, Volume #32 Fri, 16 Feb 01 16:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Andrew Leonard: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of free software" (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Interesting article ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation (Tim Hanson)
Re: Font deuglification (Andres Soolo)
Re: Why Open Source better be careful - The Microsoft Un-American (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: I will give MS credit for one thing (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux (Peter Hayes)
Re: I will give MS credit for one thing (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Interesting article (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Politics (was Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else) (Aaron Kulkis)
From: Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Andrew Leonard: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of free software"
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:31:56 -0500
Craig Kelley wrote:
"Adam Warner" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://www.salon.com/tech/log/2001/02/15/unamerican/index.html
I knew Andrew would write about this ;-)
That is priceless. DIY has always been one of my favorite
Americanisms, and the free software movement is a great DIY project to
be involved in.
Very true. That's why we have the most well-stocked "corner hardware
stores" in the world.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
--
From: "Erik Funkenbusch" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:45:34 -0600
"Seán Ó Donnchadha" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:bNej6.5698$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
T. Max Devlin wrote:
The emergence of Microsoft and their hype-and-advertising practices did
*not* suddenly make developers base their plans on advertisements. OS/2
was, and still is, the superior product, in so many ways that it is
ludicrous to suggest that it cannot compete. Yet it doesn't. This
isn't due to any failure of IBM marketing, or even caused by the hype
that MS spews.
Ah, nice to see that you're still a bullshit-spewing ankle-biting
trollpuppy, Max. OS/2 1.x was a great product, but versions 2.0 and up
were
utter shit, and they died precisely because IBM couldn't get their story
straight. Microsoft was focused like a laser to promote Windows while IBM
couldn't figure out whether they were trying to sell OS/2, Workplace OS,
Taligent, NeXTSTEP, or AIX. Their OS strategy at the time was as clear as
mud and and as effective as that canned "monopoly crapware" horseshit you
regurgitate every fucking three minutes.
This is a good point. OS/2 has many limitations that would prevent it from
competing in todays marketplace. that's not to say those limitations
couldn't have been fixed, they probably could have been, but IBM didn't seem
very concerned. For instance, the 512MB process boundary was pretty bad for
years. I believe they finally removed it in a recent version, but it was
too little too late.
IBM was too concerned with proprietary hooks into their mainframe systems.
--
From: Tim Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Microsoft says Linux threate
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #243, Volume #30 Tue, 14 Nov 00 23:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (Phil 'Guido' Cava)
Re: Debian Sells Stale Beef (Terry Porter)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Alan Boyd)
Re: OS stability (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Linux vs Microsoft Misconceptions: (Terry Porter)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Bruce Schuck")
Re: Same old Linux..Nothing new here... (Terry Porter)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Debian Sells Stale Beef ("mmnnoo")
Re: NT/2000 true multiuser? ("Les Mikesell")
From: Phil 'Guido' Cava [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 03:24:46 GMT
Mr. Funkytush,
Once again you reveal your utter lack of knowledge of computing with you
comments wrt OS/390. Stated quite simply: Nothing is more reliable than OS/390.
Nothing. Sexy it ain't; but, reliable it most assuredly is! OS/390 is _so_
reliable that IBM has applied for the ANSI 'uncrashable' rating and is willing
to open an APAR on _anything_ (short of environmentals) which can bring OS/390
down.
(BTW, OS/390 Open Edition has already passed the Unix branding tests (not
POSIX, UNIX!). If IBM wanted to, they could call it Unix... )
If all the NT machines in the world failed to boot tomorrow, the world would
have to go back to line printer fonts.
If all the OS/390 machines in thew world failed to IPL tomorrow, we would all
starve to death in the dark!
The fact that any unsigned value in a computer wraps back to zero eventually is
just a matter of how many bits wide the value is, not some indication of
whether or not it should be trusted. The width chosen however (as in the case
of NT) may well give one an idea of how long its creators thought would be a
_long_ time for that system to be up.
During the days when I worked for one of the major mainframe manufacturers, it
was not uncommon at all to find customers with OS/390 systems (MVS in those
days) which had not suffered an unschedule outage in _years_ !
49.7 days indeed...
Guido
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
"Jack Troughton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
The main point I was making was that Erik couldn't see how his koff
koff ahem 'rebuttal' destroyed the very point he was trying to
make. I mean, his response was so close to nonsensical as to be
comical. As far as real world metrics go, netcraft is about as good
as it gets right now; it measures performance of systems in the
field. Unfortunately, due to the dearth of remote-admin facilities
on NT systems, their performance/reliability cannot be measured in
any meaningful way in the field. This fact alone makes me leery of
NT as a server.
Then you should be leery of Linux, recent releases of FreeBSD, HP-UX, and
Solaris as well. Not to mention the OS's that don't report uptimes at all,
such as OS/2, OS/390, SunOS4, NetWare...
Linux, recent FreeBSD's, HP-UX and Solaris also cycle back to zero as well,
just at a higher rate (497 days). In fact, the #2 and #3 positions on the
current longest running sites will drop off the list in in a few days.
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Debian Sells Stale Beef
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 15 Nov 2000 03:27:53 GMT
On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:08:14 -0800, Ioi Lam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now I've opened the shrink-wrapped box. It doesn't even come with a
floppy boot disk. Talk about convenience.
Ioi Lam wrote:
I wanted to do some PocketLinux development (www.pocketlinux.com) and
they recommended Debian. So I drive down to my local store to get myself
a copy. There is no production date on the box, no version number, no
Linux version, no expiration date. Do they expect their users to be
homeless crack addicts that will put anything down their throat?
I can understand your frustration, and I know it seems unusual in a MS
dominated marketplace, where VERsion numbers are everything.
Linux is so different that it will take you a while to find this out,
I know it took me 2 years of intense use of Linux for some things
to sink into my Windows oriented mind.
Look at MS Word they jumped from ver 2 to vers 6 or something like that, cause
of marketing reasons, to stay abreast in the version number stakes.
Or was that Wordperfect ?
So much about the most open Linux distribution on the planet. They are
not even open about when they make the CD.
Interestingly its not *that* important, and thats why.
Tell us, what was the product you bought, whats its name, and how much did it
cost ?
Well, I bought it anyway because I feared the PocketLinux stuff will go
up in flames on other Linux
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #243, Volume #29 Thu, 21 Sep 00 00:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux to reach NT 3.51 proportions in next 2 years (Mike Byrns)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
Re: "Overclocking" Is A Bad Idea (Jim Broughton)
Re: Computer and memory ("Chad Myers")
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (dc)
Re: How low can they go...? ("JS/PL")
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Jeff Szarka)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Peter Ammon)
Re: filename extensions are NOT a kludge (Darin Johnson)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: How low can they go...? (Mike Byrns)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Peter Ammon)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Peter Ammon)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Peter Ammon)
From: Mike Byrns [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux to reach NT 3.51 proportions in next 2 years
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 02:13:24 GMT
Bob Hauck wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:21:09 -0500, Mike Byrns
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
KDE is *not* a clone of CDE. CDE more closely resembles Windows 3.1,
CDE has programs in "drawers" that pop out of a Panel that looks a lot
like the one in KDE that has menus of programs.
Those just looked like extra start menus to me :-)
It also has multiple
workspaces that are selected by buttons on the panel, as in KDE.
That functionality is the realm of video drivers and shareware on Windows.
It
also offers a Motif look feel.
Motif's widgets are much closer to Windows 3.1 than to Windows 95. I cite
placement and layout of the System Menu icon and the minimize / maximize
buttons. Also note the hotkey parity like ALT+F4 to close Windows.
KDE window frames and button placement are virtually identical to
Windows 95.
You can change the button placement in the KDE Control Panel. You can
also change the window frames if you have the Theme Manager installed
(on 1.1.2). Win95 doesn't offer those features IIRC.
Try Windowblinds. Same thing.
Nor does it
offer multiple workspaces or allow you to move the taskbar around.
Multiple workspaces are a video driver fucntion. You *can* move the
taskbar around and even add new bars to it. You can drag those bars off and
make new bars or floating palettes. In fact you can make KDE look like
Windows and Windows look like KDE in seconds. KDE 2 is the best desktop
environment I've seen for UNIX but it's still not up to par with Windows
2000. Sorry.
KDE has borrowed from several places. CDE is one, Win95 is one.
Right, no real innovation.
Or they may be failing to innovate, preferring rather to ride on the
coat-tails of Windows UI success.
As Windows rode on the Mac's coat-tails?
All this desktop metaphor crap shoulda been hard patented by Xerox when
they invented it. It woulda put a stop to all this mess about who "stole"
from who. Windows is different than MacOS because Microsoft felt that
there were some usability issues with MacOS. They borrowed what was usable
(as Apple did from Xerox PARC) and invented better UI for what was not. I
don't see that same amount of difference between KDE and Windows 95.
I'd like to navigate into folders like I walk into a room
in Unreal Tournament.
Someone actually wrote a program that allowed you to navigate through
the Linux filesystem that way. IIRC it showed the various different
types of files as different kinds of planets in a solar system and file
sizes were denoted by the size of the planet. It was amusing to play
with but didn't seem to have any real advantages as far as day-to-day
use.
Where's that link? I'm sure it was just another half-baked attempt. Maybe
it could be extended...
--
Mike Byrns
Microsoft Windows Software Engineer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
From: Mayor Of R'lyeh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:17:50 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:21:56 -0400, Peter Ammon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
chose to bless us with this bit of wisdom:
Timberwoof wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], "samurai"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Facts don't really change anything for brainwashed Mac people. You
had to go to APPLE's web site and find the information for them...
and they will still go back to OSTRICH MODE. Damn capslock key (must
be my cheap beige keyboard).
--Samurai
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #243
Linux-Advocacy Digest #243, Volume #28Sat, 5 Aug 00 06:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: The Perestroika Deception. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Aaron Kulkis -- USELESS Idiot -- And His "Enemies" -was- ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: LOREN PETRICH...CLOSET-DICTATOR ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: LOREN PETRICH...CLOSET-DICTATOR ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: LOREN PETRICH...CLOSET-DICTATOR ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: LINUX, OF COURSE!! (Cihl)
Re: LINUX, OF COURSE!! (Cihl)
Re: Aaron-Kulkis-Style Conspiracy about Linux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: KDE2 Yahooo!!! (Cihl)
Quick Time (was:Yeah! Bring down da' man!) (Dennis SCP)
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: The Perestroika Deception.
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 05:14:53 -0400
Loren Petrich wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Loren Petrich wrote:
However, by protecting other processes, the OS coddles the user
by not hurting whatever other processes a user may have active.
And so, because ONE user's processes misbehave, ALL USERS should
suffer? ...
It would provide much better reason to punish than otherwise.
This from someone who think that it ought to be trusted with
armed force.
The alternative is facing invasion by any number of nations that
recognize ZERO individual liberties. ...
The alternative is the Ayn Rand Brigade. Which has yet to defeat
all the statist armies of the world in battle.
It also specifies a Navy, but no Air Force.
The Air Force draws it's lineage from the Army, and thus, legally
falls under the same Constitutional rules which govern the Army.
Very ingenious.
Let's take.blue-blood Republican Jay Rockefeller, ...
Wrong. I complained that they are a bunch of FREE-LOADERS...just like
the welfare-whores that they are so fond of.
So inheriting something makes one a freeloader?
[a lot of stuff about Sergei Golitsyn being in hiding...]
Good Grief! Alexander Solzhenitsyn got to go back to Russia, and
Mr. Golitsyn acts like he's afraid of his own shadow?
1. Solzhenitsyn hasn't been condemned with orders to shoot on sight.
2. It's very good PR to to welcome Solzhenitsyn home...especially,
as Golytsin said, they are trying to get rid of the IMAGE***
of a totalitarian, Stalinist state.
Lenin advised the Communists that they must be prepared to
"resort to all sorts of stratagems, maneuvers, illegal
methods, evasions and subterfuge" to achieve their objectives.
That doesn't prove a thing.
If you examine the backgrounds of prominent Russian figures, you will
find that they have long Communist Party/ KGB or Komsomol pedigrees.
As my sister had pointed out, Yugoslav Communist Party members
were mostly careerist opportunists, and the same is very likely true in
most cases in the xSU. So it is not surprising that some of them have
become very ardent capitalists.
I'm not saying that they can be trusted to love democracy,
however; it might be possible that some ultranationalist regime would
appear that decides to "rescue" ethnic Russians outside of Russia by
rebuilding some of the old empire (this is inspired by the favorite Nazi
claim that ethnic Germans were being beaten up in eastern Europe).
--
Loren Petrich Happiness is a fat Macintosh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren's Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adul
