Linux-Advocacy Digest #412
Linux-Advocacy Digest #412, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 02:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Les Mikesell) From: JS PL hi everybody! Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:51:57 -0400 I think we ought to be spending our time making sure there are a lot more Bill Gateses out there, Johnson said. US Rep. Eddie Bernise Johnson (D-TX), Seattle Times, June 7 -- From: JS PL hi everybody! Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:52:29 -0400 The government and Judge Jackson failed to show any real consumer harm from Microsoft's actions. We have growing productivity, falling software and computer prices, and a highly competitive economy that needs innovation to endure. Over the past twenty years, no company has done more for consumers and our national economy than Microsoft. We should be working to extend the benefits of technology to every American, not trying to cripple a major technology innovator.Competition and innovation are thriving in the new economy. The technology sector doesn't need the government to reorganize it - it reorganizes itself every day. US Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) -- From: JS PL hi everybody! Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:52:55 -0400 Today may be a good day for the Clinton Administration's Legislation by Litigation agenda, but it is a sad day for the American consumer. If the Clinton Administration believes that there should be a federal Department of Software Regulation, it should propose one so that the Congress can decide whether we need federal bureaucrats and federal judges to write our computer software and decide how we surf the Internet. US Sen. Don Nickles (R-OK) -- From: JS PL hi everybody! Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:53:22 -0400 This decision makes it clear that the Justice Department has no understanding of American business or the marketplace, and that the Justice Department has no respect for property rights - intellectual or otherwise. I would be worried if Microsoft did not appeal this decision. Allowing the government to take away the property rights of a company, simply because the products it created have become popular sets up a very dangerous precedent. Judging from its activities under the Clinton/Gore Administration, if anything should be broken up, it's the Justice Department. US Rep Richard Pombo (R-CA) -- From: JS PL hi everybody! Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:53:51 -0400 The high tech industry, including Microsoft, has been responsible for almost 40% of our nation's recent economic growth. We don't want to take action that could stifle growth and innovation and in the end harm the consumers the antitrust laws were designed to protect. It is unfortunate that one of America's most important companies has been forced to redirect its focus from developing better products to battling our own government. US Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-) -- From: JS PL hi everybody! Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:54:16 -0400 For the sake of the new economy and economic growth in this country, I hope this decision is overturned on appeal. This overt bullying by Judge Jackson
Linux-Advocacy Digest #412
Linux-Advocacy Digest #412, Volume #32 Thu, 22 Feb 01 18:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Microsoft backs out of Corel ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Stability of 2.4.1? ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: How Microsoft Crushes the Hearts of Trolls. ("Gary Hallock")
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (Peter da Silva)
Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Printing! (Craig Kelley)
Re: Microsoft backs out of Corel (Craig Kelley)
Re: Stability of 2.4.1? (Craig Kelley)
Re: Stability of 2.4.1? (Craig Kelley)
From: "Matthew Gardiner" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Microsoft backs out of Corel
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:08:03 +1300
Why. Had Corel actually competed head on, instead of hoping everyone who
has a grudge will move to Corel, they wouldn't been in the same pickle.
Personally (IMHO), I would have rolled out some nice Sun Machines, although
expensive at first, they are very good quality, hence would have paid for
its self, and whats best, it an't Mickysoft.
Matthew Gardiner
"Charlie Ebert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In article 973ur1$nhr$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Matthew Gardiner wrote:
This is insanity in action!
I'm not really worried about Corel or Microsoft. Had Corel focused on
its
core fundimentals instead of going into unknown territory, in the case of
the netwinder (I would hate to know how much was wasted in that little
pipe
dream), Corel wouldn't be in the deep shit they are now. Also, the lack
of
willingness to compete with Microsoft head on is another issue. In 1997
the
NZ Army had just upgraded there computers from running Wordstar 2000,
DBIV,
123, and Harvard Graphics to Pentium's running Windows NT, hence they
needed
a new office suite. When the NZ Army were looking for software companies
that were interested in providing an Office Suite for the army, the one
who
won was Microsoft, they offered a terrific deal, the deal allowed all
computers in the army, AND all army personal who had computers at home,
to
be able to load Office. Corel didn't even offer a deal (from what I have
heard from sources) even close to what Microsoft offered. Hence, the
reason why Microsoft in some respects are successful, they chase
customers,
unlike Corel, who just sit around hoping someone will, out of the good
ness
of their own heart, choose Corel over their competitors.
Matthew Gardiner
Matthew,
If Microsoft *COULD* product Microsoft Office for Linux as Corel has
done, they wouldn't be looked upon as stupid evil shits anymore.
They'd just be evil shits.
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Stability of 2.4.1?
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:09:51 +1300
From what I have heard, 2.4.1 had some nasty bugs, you may want to upgrade
to 2.4.2 which is pretty stable from what I have heard (from the irc
channels).
Matthew Gardiner
"Stefan Ohlsson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Hello,
How is the stability of 2.4.1 regarded? I have used it for 3 weeks
and have had only one strange incident that may have had something
to do with it; Sawfish stopped working for my accouont until I rebooted.
It still worked for root and other accounts. May have had something to
do with me running UAE, I suspect it fscked something up. It is very
possible
this mishap could have been resolved without a reboot, but that solution -
if it exists - is beyond me.
cautious mode
I'm not saying this to bash Linux in any way, I'm just curious.
/cautious mode
/Stefan
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From: "Gary Hallock" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How Microsoft Crushes the Hearts of Trolls.
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:19:02 +0500
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
In article 973ug6$gks$[EMAIL PROTECTED], "Steve Mading"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You would prefer an if/else ladder checking each and every character one
at a time? Ick.
No, a simple translation table does the trick.
Gary
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter da Silva)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.security.ssh
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Date: 22 Feb 2001 22:07:19 GMT
In article fpfl6.6084$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Seán Ó Donnchadha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"Peter da Silva" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
By convention, major versions have different filenames, so you can have
as
many a
Linux-Advocacy Digest #412
Linux-Advocacy Digest #412, Volume #30 Sat, 25 Nov 00 13:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (mark)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (mark)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (mark)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (mark)
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! ("Chad Mulligan")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Chad Mulligan")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Chad Mulligan")
Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux ("Jan Schaumann")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Chad Mulligan")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Chad Mulligan")
Re: KDE2 (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (mark)
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Chad Mulligan")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Chad Mulligan")
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (mark)
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (Donovan Rebbechi)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:00:30 +
In article 8vnubl$4ujgg$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien wrote:
"Tom Wilson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:LhJT5.2681$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
"Erik Funkenbusch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:pUET5.10217$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
"Tom Wilson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:%OqT5.2513$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
You've been very fortunate in regards to the registry. I've experienced
registry corruption on two occasions. Both occasions involved drives in
pristine condition. Both were lockups that occured during service pack
updates. They were on separate machines that normally displayed quite sane
behavior.
Two occasions, out of how long time using windows? On how many machines?
The interesting question is 'with linux, how many times has
your /etc directory been rendered unusable?
The correct answer is probably never in the whole of the
history of space and time for a production machine, but
maybe if you look really hard, you might find one, somewhere,
but it seems very very unlikely.
The registry is well renowned as a major weakness in the design of
windows.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 16:52:09 +
In article 5ZET5.10218$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
"mark" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Curtis wrote:
Wow, that's a new one. Is it just 98SE? And of course it begs the
question, "why isn't the shutdown always quick?"
The longer shutdown method takes the time to save applications as well as
explorers recent configuration changes.
So why does it hang so frequently at that point?
That depends on what OS you're talking about. Often it's related to power
management in 9x. Many drivers don't react well to power management and
hang. 98 introduced the fast shutdown, which many drivers also do not like.
If the driver doesn't follow all the rules it may work just fine in pre-98
systems, or in 98 with fast shutdown disabled, but fail with fast shutdown.
This can also cause problems with certain bioses as well.
In NT 4.0 there was a bug in the spooler that was there for years that would
cause a very long shutdown on some systems. This was fixed in 2000, and
possibly SP6. The easiest solution was to create a batch file on your
desktop to stop the spooler service before shutting down.
This is where you really pay the price of not being able to
access the source. The only possibility is to hack something
and wait until the provider gets around to fixing the problem,
if they ever do.
At least on Linux systems, you can patch it yourself, if it
troubles you enough.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:02:40 +
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Curtis wrote:
Tom Wilson wrote...
"Ayende Rahien" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8vnubl$4ujgg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
"Tom Wilson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:LhJT5.2681$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
"Erik Funkenbusch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:pUET5.10217$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
"Tom Wilson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:%OqT5.2513$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Press shift when you click the OK button on the shut down screen,
this
would
give you quick shutdown.
BTW, ctrl+alt+backspace doesn't restart X, it terminate it, and
then
start
it,
Linux-Advocacy Digest #412
Linux-Advocacy Digest #412, Volume #29Tue, 3 Oct 00 00:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Unix rules in Redmond ("Drestin Black")
Re: How low can they go...? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop
Re: Linux to reach NT 3.51 proportions in next 2 years (Mike Byrns)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard)
Re: How low can they go...? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: The real issue (David M. Butler)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("kosh")
Re: How low can they go...? (T. Max Devlin)
From: "Drestin Black" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix rules in Redmond
Date: 2 Oct 2000 22:11:03 -0500
"Les Mikesell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:y0bx5.3134$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
"Chad Myers" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:ODNw5.5040$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
The Mindcraft tests showed a real problem, but one that would only
very
rarely be an issue in a production system. The test was carefully
designed to highlight a particular strength of NT relative to Linux.
It was not "rigged", in the sense that the results weren't faked, but
the thing that was tested was not chosen at random. The whole thing
was a marketing exercise, nothing more.
Um... so you think that multiple-NICs are never used in a production
system? Multiple-NIC load-balancing, etc?
It is rare for that to be a better approach than using gigabit cards.
Actually
it is pretty rare for a server doing any actual work to be able to
overload
a 100M card.
Actually you are wrong on both counts. YOu would be much better served
(performance and price wise) running two 100 mb/s NICs than a single Gb NIC.
I would run 4 NICs, 2 teamed pairs load balanced. But you'd have to
understand high end networking
You've never used RAID with REALLY big caches have you?
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:30:35 -0500
"T. Max Devlin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
No, Word 2.0 for OS/2 was a completely graphical word processor.
That's right. Stick a GUI on DOS Word and you get Word for OS/2. Word
for Windows, however, was a separate and far more complete development.
How the hell do you just "stick" a GUI on a DOS based word processor? The
entire architecutres are different. How they represent their data is
different. How you control the applications are different. How you render
the final text is different.
That's like saying you can just "stick" wings on a car and make it an
airplane.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 03:13:48 -
On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:20:08 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
The Adaptec ASPI driver problem?
If the predominant SCSI vendor's cards can't be expected to work
on the predominant OS vendor's OS, you might as well build yourself
a cabin in the mountains and find a bear cub to rescue.
The card works fine. ASPI is a low-level API for programs to access SCSI
information. This isn't part of the OS itself, rather an API that Adaptec
wrote and maintains.
Besides, if they didn't change their driver model so often, and
actually planned for forward compatibility, they wouldn't have
to worry about such things.
That's the problem. Win95 was never supposed to exist in the first place.
NT was supposed to replace Win 3.1, but people didn't buy into it. Win95
was a stopgap to get people to start moving to Win32, but it took on a life
of it's own as well, long beyond what MS had wanted.
The market actually pushed MS into this predicament, they did not choose it.
The market doesn't really push MS anywhere.
These are the people that sandbagged on the desktop from 1984-1995.
--
Research is what I'm doing when I don't know what I'm doing.
-- Wernher von Braun
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From: Mike Byrns "mike.byrns"@technologist,.com
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux to reach NT 3.51 proportions in next 2 years
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 03:20:55 GMT
Matthias Warkus wrote:
It was the Mon, 02 Oct 2000 01:00:30 GMT...
...and Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, here's my spin!
If a couple of guys in some office somewhere can come up
Linux-Advocacy Digest #412
Linux-Advocacy Digest #412, Volume #28 Tue, 15 Aug 00 01:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates) Re: Email spamming to the readers of these NG's Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux (Chris Lee) Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Donovan Rebbechi) Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux (Chris Lee) Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin) Re: Why Linux will crash and burn. (Chris Lee) Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Are Linux people illiterate? (T. Max Devlin) Re: Are Linux people illiterate? (T. Max Devlin) Re: Why Linux will crash and burn. Re: Another satisfied Linux user (nf) Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin) Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (T. Max Devlin) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:15:48 -0700 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stephen S. Edwards II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:8na413$akh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in 8n98oh$h71$[EMAIL PROTECTED]: It also makes it possible to discard the windowing system when it is not needed. It also make is possible to replace th windowing system with a different one. Lets say someone developes a new Windows style windowing system to run on unix, one that is not built on X, it could be installed on a working unix platform and X could be removed and the OS would not care one way or the other. Try that with Windows. Replacing the EXPLORER.EXE with another interface? I've already done it many times. It's quite possible to kill EXPLORER.EXE, and fire up another interface. Not just explorer.exe, replace or remove the *entire* GUI including all graphical drivers and their support libraries with just what comes with the Windows distribution. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Email spamming to the readers of these NG's Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:30:04 -0700 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I got it as well. If you post frequently enough, you will be harvested and it will get worse and worse as they pass the lists of good addresses along to other spammers. God help you if the P.H.E.R.M.O.N.E. king get's your address. He posts tens of thousands of messages a day to various groups and has been doing so for years. Munging your address is the only sure fire way. Just make sure you don't make the same mistake I unwillingly did by using an address that became a real one, for someone else :( Good luck... Claire... And see, sometimes we do agree on things :) I guess to every rule there is an exception. And we have had these exceptions before ;-) -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee) Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux Date: 15 Aug 2000 02:59:52 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... m just saying I don't want it to happen. As for your alienates CLI fans comment, I was speaking on the premise that there are a huge number of computer illiterate people that have an *interest* in Linux at the moment. These people are saying that the GUI should be integrated in the kernel, that Corel has the best distro ever, and that everything should be *just like Windows*. These are the people I am speaking against. There are some concepts that can be 'borrowed' from Windows. I'm not so against Windows that I fail to see the few good ideas that are present. I just don't want Linux to turn into a Windows clone. Am I really such an idiot for saying that? Yes, because the people you are talking about have *ZERO* influnce over the direction Linux goes in. They can scream all they want, but it doesn't mean we have to listen to them. This is what is so great about linux and bsd. The Jerry Pournells of the world along with the ZDNET shills can bitch and moan about how hard to use linux and bsd are and it won't make a wit of difference as the past couple of years of growth have shown -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform Date: 15 Aug 2000 03:16:26 GMT On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:24:48 -0400, T. Max Devlin wrote: not people. If you refuse to judge abstractions, because you refuse to judge people, I can
Linux-Advocacy Digest #412
Linux-Advocacy Digest #412, Volume #27Sat, 1 Jul 00 13:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Ready for Linux ? The "Furniture Scale" (Cihl)
Re: C# is a copy of java (mlw)
Re: If Linux is desktop ready ... (John Culleton)
Re: Trying Linux yet again (Ray Chason)
Re: Corel Does Nothing To Help The Linux Cause (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Ray Chason)
Re: Trying Linux yet again ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux, easy to use? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: I'm Ready! I'm ready! I'm not ready. (Re: The "Furniture Scale") (OSguy)
Re: Lost Cause Theater!!! (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: What UNIX is good for. (abraxas)
Re: Mac OS X gonna have a CLI! (abraxas)
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (abraxas)
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (abraxas)
Re: I hope you trolls are happy... (abraxas)
Re: Trying Linux yet again (abraxas)
Linux not ready for primetime!!! ! ("leg log")
Re: I thought only Windows 98 SE did this! (abraxas)
Re: Run Linux on your desktop? Why? I ask for proof, not advocacy (Pim van Riezen)
From: Cihl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Ready for Linux ? The "Furniture Scale"
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 12:21:40 GMT
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
Think of how you would drive, if your shifting hand had VERY painful
cuts all over your palm and fingers...
Are you threatening me? :-)
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¨I hunger!¨
¨Run, coward!¨
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From: mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: C# is a copy of java
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 08:34:45 -0400
Aravind Sadagopan wrote:
I happened to read the C# specs and boy how do these people manage to
copy so well. Ill give you
an example
java - import java.lang.System;
C# - using System
java - out.println("hello World");
C# - console.Writeln("hello World");
Same no pointer ,garbage collection, virtual machine stuff is there. And
they have a backward compatiblity to use C pointers called "unsafe"
methods. I don't know what they meant when they siad C# is not meant to
be a competition to Java
Aravind
Anyone who would program in yet another closed language is stupid.
Especially when it is a Microsoft-only Windows-only system which
provides no real value.
Besides, is there life without pointers?
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Subject: Re: If Linux is desktop ready ...
From: John Culleton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 05:49:01 -0700
Linux is ready for the desktop. Not all desktop users will
want/need/put up with Linux. To each his/her/its own.
It is a mistake to posit Linux as either a MSWin clone or its
universal replacement. Its a different kind of thing that appeals
to a different kind of folks. (It is also a superior server
platform for those with the sense to use it.) It does require
more fiddling and fussing than a preinstalled version of MSWin
for the appliance operators. One can chose one's own level of
involvement with the innards of Linux but some minimum
involvement is necessary. So sing me no sad songs about "I had to
fuss with such and such to get Linux to work." Of course you did.
Who said there was no work involved? Not me. It's a free
operating system that can be chosen/not chosen freely. Enjoy.
John Culleton
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From: Ray Chason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Trying Linux yet again
Date: 1 Jul 2000 13:43:07 GMT
Jeff Szarka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jul 2000 04:06:08 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
It looks like the USB support in Mandrake 7.0 is not the same as what
is in 7.1 The older versoin must have supported my motherboard's USB
controller and the newer one doesn't.
...there just aren't that many variants of inboard USB
controllers...
I'm not sure why it isn't working since it did work fine. From what I
was told, the support in 7.0 was based on a patch whereas the support
in 7.1 is kernel based. I would assume this means they're different
code.
Either way, USB = not working.
Do you know what type of USB controller you have? Perhaps you can run this
command:
grep -i usb /var/log/messages | tail -n 30
and post the results here, and maybe someone here will know what's going
on.
You may need to be root to run this, depending on how the permissions to
/var/log/messages are set. There's nothing in this command that's unsafe
to run as root.
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #412
Linux-Advocacy Digest #412, Volume #26Mon, 8 May 00 18:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: This is Bullsh^%T!!! (M. Buchenrieder)
Re: Web page rendering Linux (KDE) vs. windows 2000 (Mig Mig)
Re: Are we equal? (david parsons)
Re: Linux NFS is buggy (david parsons)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (josco)
Re: Compulsory open source considered in France (Reuters) (Bill Unruh)
Re: Which OS is WORST? (JoeX1029)
Re: computer viruses on LINUX (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Microsoft invents XML! (Esther Schindler)
Re: Programs for Linux ("Poongunran Muthukumaran")
Re: Linux IS THE ULTIMATE VIRUS(IOW LINUX SUXXX) (JoeX1029)
Re: KDE is better than Gnome (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Malicious scripts on Unix (Angus Cameron)
Re: Linux IS THE ULTIMATE VIRUS(IOW LINUX SUXXX)
Re: Browsers and e-mail (Bob Hauck)
Re: Linux IS THE ULTIMATE VIRUS(IOW LINUX SUXXX)
Re: Call me Paranoid - Re: What else is hidden in MS code??? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: This is Bullsh^%T!!! (abraxas)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
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Re: Microsoft invents XML! (JFW)
Re: Virus on the net? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: computer viruses on LINUX (abraxas)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: This is Bullsh^%T!!!
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 15:41:41 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas) writes:
[...]
Apparantly you missed my followup post.
Well, maybe. Usenet isn't a highly reliable medium.
Sorry to say that I do not have a "certification" in linux, but I do have
enough experience to understand that it is at its *very* best, GNU-unix.
[...]
It is mostly GNUish, but you can alway use the sources of other UN*X
variants in case you don't like the GNU-versions. You'll perhaps have
to do some editing on the Makefiles, but that's it.
I've replaced the GNU version of "su" for the very same reason :)
Michael
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From: Mig Mig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Web page rendering Linux (KDE) vs. windows 2000
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 22:17:28 +0200
Jim Richardson wrote:
- app to view realtime what connections are made right now
netstat, ethereal, tcpdump, others
Ethereal i use but its not usable for my purposes. Actually i fell over
"etherape" (etherape.sourceforge.net) that does what i wanted.. a bit more
development and it really gets to be a valuable application.
I can recomend "etherape" if you want a live update of what connections
youre "involved" in.
Cheers
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (david parsons)
Subject: Re: Are we equal?
Date: 8 May 2000 12:45:56 -0700
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Craig Kelley wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JoeX1029) writes:
Elian is from a country that we have barred any type of trade with.
Nothing from Cuba is allowed in the U.S. My best friends dad and 2
sisters had to spend so amny months (6 i think) in the US to get
citizenship. His sister finished school early and went back home
and got stripped of her citizenship. Is that equal? Why should
Elian be allowed to stay in the States? He should have been back
the same day he arrived here.
His mother died brining him here.
[...] How many mexicans die
trying to bring their children here?
So have a heart then. Give in every once in a while.
Not that this has much to do with Linux, but why should the United
States screw up some kid's life because some rich emigres wish to
prop up a bananna republic in the Caribbean? It's already more
than enough that the USA has maintained a stupid blockade simply so
the Cuban government can use it to distract attention from the tiny
detail that the island is surviving on tourism and prostitution.
The Miami emigres should just get used to knowing that eventually
Fidel will lose power (though at this point, thanks to their efforts,
it will be at about the same time he finishes breathing) and their 15
minutes of fame will be over.
david parsons \bi/ And the sooner the better.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (david parsons)
Subject: Re: Linux NFS is buggy
Date: 8 May 2000 12:52:26 -0700
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Full Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We have an Ultra 10 running Solaris 2.7 with a SCSI DAT Drive. We NFS
mou
