Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork?
On Saturday 29 January 2011 10:17:36 Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Thu, 2011-01-27 at 22:05 +0200, Vytautas Jancauskas wrote: What if I fork a project because I think it gives me a good starting point or base for what I want to do but the direction I intend to take things will result in a completely different sort of program to the one I forked? a) We do not know neither your direction nor intend. b) Is the program really completely different - according to who? c) Because of a and b there is no c. Since I think I kicked this off: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org/msg11217.html let me say that it was a general question and not one aimed at any current or planned fork. I just thought that for some people, it might be possible to start with something but take it in a very / completely different direction. So different that to name the one as a fork of the other might confuse people as to what the forked program was useful for. Hence: /j Would another term be useful? all the best, drew ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork?
On Saturday 29 January 2011 15:14:32 Raymond Martin wrote: Just because the licenses don't mention being nice, acting with little courtesy when it comes to using the code written by others won't hurt. Otherwise I agree with you. It won't hurt, but is not required in any way, shape, or form. And that is what people on this list are making a fuss about. They acting like it is absolutely required. That just shows ignorance of what FOSS is and that they cannot read licenses properly. Not so sure about that. I think some people are saying that the licenses were not followed. Perhaps I misread. all the best, drew ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork?
On Thu, 2011-01-27 at 22:05 +0200, Vytautas Jancauskas wrote: What if I fork a project because I think it gives me a good starting point or base for what I want to do but the direction I intend to take things will result in a completely different sort of program to the one I forked? a) We do not know neither your direction nor intend. b) Is the program really completely different - according to who? c) Because of a and b there is no c. /j Would another term be useful? ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork?
On January 29, 2011 10:17:36 am Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Thu, 2011-01-27 at 22:05 +0200, Vytautas Jancauskas wrote: What if I fork a project because I think it gives me a good starting point or base for what I want to do but the direction I intend to take things will result in a completely different sort of program to the one I forked? a) We do not know neither your direction nor intend. b) Is the program really completely different - according to who? c) Because of a and b there is no c. /j Would another term be useful? Never mind any of the hand waving going on about forks, giving credit, etc. Stick to the license, that is all that is required of you. There is a saying never explain, your friends don't need it and your enemies won't believe you anyway. If you want to fork, just fork. It is your irrevocable right to do so. You do not owe anyone an explanation, ever. Just stick to the letter of the licenses. Nothing more is required of you. Everything else said about this topic is just noise by people who do not understand the purpose of FOSS. They think they do, but they are completely wrong if they have anything to say that imputes some kind of emotionality into it. Once you give away your code under FOSS it does not belong to you anymore (in that particular form) and you do so (if you are intelligent) with full knowledge of what you are doing and all the implications of it. Basically, take responsibility, read the licenses properly, understand their far reaching purpose, and relinquish any kind of ownership type attitudes for the greater good. I have forked other projects before and tried to cooperate, follow licenses, only to have those projects act very territorial and not in the proper spirit of FOSS. Just fork anyway you like. It is best not to even bother letting the other project know what you are doing, it is not their business since they have freely chosen to go the FOSS way. Any complaining after the fact is just childish and stupid. Raymond ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork?
On 1/29/11, Raymond Martin wrote: I have forked other projects before and tried to cooperate, follow licenses, only to have those projects act very territorial and not in the proper spirit of FOSS. Just fork anyway you like. It is best not to even bother letting the other project know what you are doing, it is not their business since they have freely chosen to go the FOSS way. Any complaining after the fact is just childish and stupid. What you are saying boils down to people had been dicks on me, so I'll be a dick on everybody else in return. Talk about childish :) This battle has a long history. It's called what can I get away with? :) Trust me: there's little to be proud of there. Talking about spirit of FOSS and then neglecting socially correct behaviour is really bs. Because FOSS would be nowhere if everybody acted like you. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork?
On January 29, 2011 12:54:22 pm Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On 1/29/11, Raymond Martin wrote: I have forked other projects before and tried to cooperate, follow licenses, only to have those projects act very territorial and not in the proper spirit of FOSS. Just fork anyway you like. It is best not to even bother letting the other project know what you are doing, it is not their business since they have freely chosen to go the FOSS way. Any complaining after the fact is just childish and stupid. What you are saying boils down to people had been dicks on me, so I'll be a dick on everybody else in return. Talk about childish :) Absolutely wrong. It is just a fact that you do not owe anything and are not required to do anything besides adhere to the license. It is just a waste of time to bother going through trying to be nice when so many people (like you perhaps) react the wrong way. Just do what you want with the software and forget all that childish crap. This battle has a long history. It's called what can I get away with? :) Trust me: there's little to be proud of there. Talking about spirit of FOSS and then neglecting socially correct behaviour is really bs. Because FOSS would be nowhere if everybody acted like you. There is no socially correct behavior in FOSS aside from adhering to the license. You, along with others, are just imagining there is. FOSS is everywhere by people acting like me. Not every company or developer that uses FOSS goes out of there way to thank the originators. They don't have to. Yet at some point they contribute their work that may be built on previous work. That is the thanks. So get a clue now and try to think beyond your ego. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork?
On 29 January 2011 18:22, Raymond Martin lase...@gmail.com wrote: On January 29, 2011 12:54:22 pm Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On 1/29/11, Raymond Martin wrote: I have forked other projects before and tried to cooperate, follow licenses, only to have those projects act very territorial and not in the proper spirit of FOSS. Just fork anyway you like. It is best not to even bother letting the other project know what you are doing, it is not their business since they have freely chosen to go the FOSS way. Any complaining after the fact is just childish and stupid. What you are saying boils down to people had been dicks on me, so I'll be a dick on everybody else in return. Talk about childish :) Absolutely wrong. It is just a fact that you do not owe anything and are not required to do anything besides adhere to the license. It is just a waste of time to bother going through trying to be nice when so many people (like you perhaps) react the wrong way. Just do what you want with the software and forget all that childish crap. This battle has a long history. It's called what can I get away with? :) Trust me: there's little to be proud of there. Talking about spirit of FOSS and then neglecting socially correct behaviour is really bs. Because FOSS would be nowhere if everybody acted like you. There is no socially correct behavior in FOSS aside from adhering to the license. You, along with others, are just imagining there is. FOSS is everywhere by people acting like me. Not every company or developer that uses FOSS goes out of there way to thank the originators. They don't have to. Yet at some point they contribute their work that may be built on previous work. That is the thanks. So get a clue now and try to think beyond your ego. Just because the licenses don't mention being nice, acting with little courtesy when it comes to using the code written by others won't hurt. Otherwise I agree with you. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork?
On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 11:15 -0500, Raymond Martin wrote: Stick to the license, that is all that is required of you. Yes, please do. Does it say that the GPL lifts the copyright? No it does not! It is in fact copyright law that makes copyleft tick in the first place. You want to fork a project because it is a pig? Do so! but remember that no matter how much lipstick you smear on it, it is still a ... Well, what i mean is that the origin does not change and therefore you give proper credit to all of the developers. To remember: If copyrights were not explicitly and in writing signed over to you then they were not. /j ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork?
On 1/29/11, Raymond Martin wrote: What you are saying boils down to people had been dicks on me, so I'll be a dick on everybody else in return. Talk about childish :) Absolutely wrong. It is just a fact that you do not owe anything and are not required to do anything besides adhere to the license. It is just a waste of time to bother going through trying to be nice when so many people (like you perhaps) react the wrong way. Just do what you want with the software and forget all that childish crap. I can feel a holy war in the air :) There are perfectly justified cases when a fork a necessary. Off top of my head: - principal developer in the way of getting things done (Sodipodi Inkscape) - principal developer starting everything from scratch, because he thinks he knows better (Protux Traverso) - principal developer not available and not replying any mails (GQView Geeqie) - developer/company at the helm of a project disrupting development and threatening future of this project (OpenOffice LibreOffice) Your reasoning however is on the level of Why does a dog lick his balls? Because he can.. In other words, the multitude of things that are legal doesn't 100% overlap with multitude of things that are nice. All people learn it, easy way or hard way. (Of course, some people never learn.) FOSS is everywhere by people acting like me. This is the most awesome bullshit I heard this week :) I owe you few minutes of good honest laughter. In all possible meanings, good and bad, FOSS is where it is, because there are few people who give against millions of people who take. When those few people who give start fragmenting their efforts because they lack social skills and patience (just like you they often have all sorts of amusing justifications for that), they often get nowhere. There are lots of projects that demand quite a lot of technical competence and can only exist and mature, if people collaborate. I've seen this recently with the whole dlRaw/jlRaw/Photivo forks story. Even smaller, less significant projects suffer from lack of collaboration. Most recently I was looking for a wiki app for Django and came across half a dozen of forks, all originating from the first app, all incomplete. Because people thought they knew better. Not every company or developer that uses FOSS goes out of there way to thank the originators. They don't have to. Yet at some point they contribute their work that may be built on previous work. That is the thanks. The I don't owe anyone anything attitude, right :) Well, indeed doing some awesome work on top of someone else's work is a very reasonable kind of gratitude, when you are civilized about that. So get a clue now and try to think beyond your ego. I have one question: do you ever follow your own advices? :) Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork?
On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:38:58 + James Morris jwm.art@gmail.com wrote: Just because the licenses don't mention being nice, acting with little courtesy when it comes to using the code written by others won't hurt. Otherwise I agree with you. I was dismayed to see this thread and the way it developed. The comment above is exactly my thoughts too. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork?
On January 29, 2011 01:38:58 pm you wrote: On 29 January 2011 18:22, Raymond Martin lase...@gmail.com wrote: On January 29, 2011 12:54:22 pm Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On 1/29/11, Raymond Martin wrote: I have forked other projects before and tried to cooperate, follow licenses, only to have those projects act very territorial and not in the proper spirit of FOSS. Just fork anyway you like. It is best not to even bother letting the other project know what you are doing, it is not their business since they have freely chosen to go the FOSS way. Any complaining after the fact is just childish and stupid. What you are saying boils down to people had been dicks on me, so I'll be a dick on everybody else in return. Talk about childish :) Absolutely wrong. It is just a fact that you do not owe anything and are not required to do anything besides adhere to the license. It is just a waste of time to bother going through trying to be nice when so many people (like you perhaps) react the wrong way. Just do what you want with the software and forget all that childish crap. ... FOSS is everywhere by people acting like me. Not every company or developer that uses FOSS goes out of there way to thank the originators. They don't have to. Yet at some point they contribute their work that may be built on previous work. That is the thanks. So get a clue now and try to think beyond your ego. Just because the licenses don't mention being nice, acting with little courtesy when it comes to using the code written by others won't hurt. Otherwise I agree with you. It won't hurt, but is not required in any way, shape, or form. And that is what people on this list are making a fuss about. They acting like it is absolutely required. That just shows ignorance of what FOSS is and that they cannot read licenses properly. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork?
On 1/29/11, Raymond Martin wrote: It won't hurt, but is not required in any way, shape, or form. And that is what people on this list are making a fuss about. They acting like it is absolutely required. You absolutely misread it. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork?
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Raymond Martin lase...@gmail.com wrote: It won't hurt, but is not required in any way, shape, or form. And that is what people on this list are making a fuss about. They acting like it is absolutely required. no. they, we, i am acting as though you'd better have a pretty reason (lack of sleep, just forgot, dog ate the webpage will almost do, so its not much of a barrier) for NOT providing attribution if you do NOT want the rest of the community to conclude that you're a douchebag for forking a project. not because you need to, but because if you want people to think nice thoughts about your motives as a forker, being nice towards the original development time is likely to help quite a bit. however, i think your posts here have made it clear that you're the sort of person who is not in the least bit concerned of whether people have a positive opinion of you, and if that's true, then certainly you can ignore everything but the license and nothing bad will happen from your perspective. in the specific case of OOM, i'm still not sure i really understand why they didn't provide any attribution originally, but they have now, and so the case is closed there. they are now nice guys doing more than following licenses, by actually behaving as if they are part of a community. neither they, or you, or i are required to behave in that way, but i know that i certainly believe that the community does better when people do. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork?
On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 15:11 -0500, Raymond Martin wrote: To remember: If copyrights were not explicitly and in writing signed over to you then they were not. /j The copyright in the license is the credit! These are dire straits. I am afraid your ship is heading towards the cliffs. Read your charts again, carefully, before proceeding. SCO also had some imaginative ideas about copyright. They were wrecked! /j ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
[LAD] What if a fork is not a fork?
On Thursday 27 January 2011 11:56:22 Paul Davis wrote: i just don't remember other cases where major existing FLOSS projects were forked This is not about what is going in in this thread in any direct way. (Or may not be at least, I do not know enough to say I guess.) What if I fork a project because I think it gives me a good starting point or base for what I want to do but the direction I intend to take things will result in a completely different sort of program to the one I forked? Should that still be considered a fork or is there another term for such a beast? Would another term be useful? all the best, drew ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork?
Stop forking around On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:57 PM, drew Roberts z...@100jamz.com wrote: On Thursday 27 January 2011 11:56:22 Paul Davis wrote: i just don't remember other cases where major existing FLOSS projects were forked This is not about what is going in in this thread in any direct way. (Or may not be at least, I do not know enough to say I guess.) What if I fork a project because I think it gives me a good starting point or base for what I want to do but the direction I intend to take things will result in a completely different sort of program to the one I forked? Should that still be considered a fork or is there another term for such a beast? Would another term be useful? all the best, drew ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev -- Cheshire-Puss, she began, would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here? That depends a good deal on where you want to get to, said the Cat. I don't care much where-- said Alice. Then it doesn't matter which way you go, said the Cat. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork?
On Thursday 27 January 2011 20:57:22 drew Roberts wrote: On Thursday 27 January 2011 11:56:22 Paul Davis wrote: i just don't remember other cases where major existing FLOSS projects were forked This is not about what is going in in this thread in any direct way. (Or may not be at least, I do not know enough to say I guess.) What if I fork a project because I think it gives me a good starting point or base for what I want to do but the direction I intend to take things will result in a completely different sort of program to the one I forked? Should that still be considered a fork or is there another term for such a beast? Would another term be useful? There is really nothing wrong telling your users that you used another app as starting point. But there is something morally wrong when you tell your users that you used another project as starting point and did more or less big changes but then you refuse to tell your users which app you forked... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork?
Original Message Subject: Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork? From: Arnold Krille arn...@arnoldarts.de To: linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org Date: 01/27/2011 01:15 PM But there is something morally wrong when you tell your users that you used another project as starting point and did more or less big changes but then you refuse to tell your users which app you forked... Yeah that would be wrong. Do you know what code-base oom started from? -- Christopher Cherrett ccherr...@openoctave.org http://www.openoctave.org ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork?
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 2:57 PM, drew Roberts z...@100jamz.com wrote: On Thursday 27 January 2011 11:56:22 Paul Davis wrote: i just don't remember other cases where major existing FLOSS projects were forked The only instance I can think of is how Cinepaint (aka Film-Gimp) was forked off from the Gimp. I think it deadended, though, when the Gimp caught up to some of the same functionality -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.electricminstrel.com In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world. -- Jelaleddin Rumi ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork?
this thread was always going to happenyou said yourself on IRC Chris Cherrit that you're a difficult guy to get along with; and seems you were right. I don't give a fuck how good you think you are or your team is or your professional team is, or how tired you all are, or how many nice days there are in the world... etc etc etc - Davis,Cannam,Schweer,Hohn - these are mighty names who between them have build what is clearly the best audio platform on earth. And they're fine examples of the human race to boot. Generous,creative visionaries who have seen the potential and have given it life. What have you contributed? You've taken their work and made some slight changes. To take something from concept to reality from scratch, which is what these men have done, that's laudable - and it furthers the greater good. Your OOM wouldn't exist PERIOD if it weren't for these guys. You have had issues and acrimonious arguments with virtually all of them You derisively attack all who actively work against your brilliant plans/ideas/visions... I saw how you attacked Tim and Robert and Orcan directly ( always telling them to cool down and have a NICE DAY!) even when they always respectfully communicated to you in the best traditions of FOSS. I for one can certainly live without your project. And I will defend these great names when ever they are challenged - by you or anyone else. g. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork?
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Brett McCoy idragos...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 2:57 PM, drew Roberts z...@100jamz.com wrote: On Thursday 27 January 2011 11:56:22 Paul Davis wrote: i just don't remember other cases where major existing FLOSS projects were forked The only instance I can think of is how Cinepaint (aka Film-Gimp) was forked off from the Gimp. I think it deadended, though, when the Gimp caught up to some of the same functionality the rest of my sentence is important. there are quite a few forks. the point was about whether the result of the fork clearly acknowledges its ancestor, that's all. LibreOffice is perhaps the most recent clear case of a fork, done after Oracle got control of OpenOffice (and preceded by go-oo) ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork?
Original Message Subject: Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork? From: Geoff Beasley ge...@laughingboyrecords.com To: Christopher Cherrett ccherr...@openoctave.org Cc: linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org Date: 01/27/2011 01:32 PM this thread was always going to happenyou said yourself on IRC Chris Cherrit that you're a difficult guy to get along with; and seems you were right. I don't give a fuck how good you think you are or your team is or your professional team is, or how tired you all are, or how many nice days there are in the world... etc etc etc - Davis,Cannam,Schweer,Hohn - these are mighty names who between them have build what is clearly the best audio platform on earth. And they're fine examples of the human race to boot. Generous,creative visionaries who have seen the potential and have given it life. What have you contributed? You've taken their work and made some slight changes. To take something from concept to reality from scratch, which is what these men have done, that's laudable - and it furthers the greater good. Your OOM wouldn't exist PERIOD if it weren't for these guys. You have had issues and acrimonious arguments with virtually all of them You derisively attack all who actively work against your brilliant plans/ideas/visions... I saw how you attacked Tim and Robert and Orcan directly ( always telling them to cool down and have a NICE DAY!) even when they always respectfully communicated to you in the best traditions of FOSS. I for one can certainly live without your project. And I will defend these great names when ever they are challenged - by you or anyone else. g. Pucker up? Yeah I checked your site. http://www.laughingboyrecords.com/index.php/geoff-beasley I understand why you are so resistant against our professional team. -- Christopher Cherrett ccherr...@openoctave.org http://www.openoctave.org ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork?
On 01/28/2011 07:51 AM, Christopher Cherrett wrote: I understand why you are so resistant against our professional team. hahaha my last comment to you and one this matter... fork off. g. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork?
Original Message Subject: Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork? From: Geoff Beasley ge...@laughingboyrecords.com To: Christopher Cherrett ccherr...@openoctave.org Cc: linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org Date: 01/27/2011 01:47 PM On 01/28/2011 07:51 AM, Christopher Cherrett wrote: I understand why you are so resistant against our professional team. hahaha my last comment to you and one this matter... fork off. g. I know you will be running oom behind the scenes :) -- Christopher Cherrett ccherr...@openoctave.org http://www.openoctave.org ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] What if a fork is not a fork?
On 1/27/11, Brett McCoy wrote: On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 2:57 PM, drew Roberts wrote: On Thursday 27 January 2011 11:56:22 Paul Davis wrote: i just don't remember other cases where major existing FLOSS projects were forked The only instance I can think of is how Cinepaint (aka Film-Gimp) was forked off from the Gimp. I think it deadended, though, when the Gimp caught up to some of the same functionality FilmGIMP was a friendly fork, kept in same CVS repo, but different branch. The team behind it started doing everything properly after that, i.e. developing GEGL, the new GIMP's non-destructive core, but they didn't get very far and left. Cinepaint is FilmGIMP picked up by a completely different team (and there were battles and soure faces there as well). They ended up trying to create their own new core and new UI and failed. Last time I checked, Cinepaint seemd to have proper attributions to the initial GIMP's team. IIRC, quite a few major projects have been forked in the past. Bazaar and bzr-ng, OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice, Amarok and Clementine (well, a time-machine fork in this case), Sodipodi and Inkscape, etc. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
