Linux Dinner

2000-09-10 Thread Shlomi Fish

Well, so far I received 8 messages from people who wish to attend the Linux 
Dinner in Tanduri. With me included, it makes 9. That's not a lot of 
people, so I don't suppose we can get a discount.

I will find out the telephone of the restaurant, set up a date, and let you 
know. If anybody else wants to attend it, please notify me now, so I can 
make the reservation for the appropriate number of people.

Regards,

Shlomi Fish


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Re: linux-il Digest V2 #249

2000-09-10 Thread miki

Ahalan

Well if the server is accessible by IMAP, you only need to set the INBOX in pine's 
setup as :

{server.domain}INBOX

There is a way to make it a global setting, pls RTFM pine's manual.

Cheers,

Miki

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Subject: Multiuser system with remote mail server
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We have a mail server that is based in the USA  which is only accessible
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I we have a multi terminal Linux system at the school.

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KDE 2 with Hebrew support

2000-09-10 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo

Hi All,

Just wanted to update you - I'm still working with Lars to fix the hebrew
problems on konqueror.. (I'm working on it every night)

So far - I can estimate that 80-90% of the hebrew problems (both on Hebrew
Visual and Logical) are behind us. There are some layering problems in
ynet.co.il (Yedioth), and there are small glitches here and there..

You can see for example - a screenshot of Globes web site in Logical Hebrew:

http://www.geocities.com/heunique/kde2/globes.png

This week there will be KDE 2.0 RC1 out - I want to take this opportunity and
ask people to download, install it and report bugs (you can submit bugs from the
KDE itself - look at the HELP menu)..

Final KDE 2.0 will be out on Oct. 16

At the beginning of November, the Israeli Linux developers (well, the one who
wants to develop hebrew application EASILY without 1000 tweaks), will have a
nice surprise.. stay tuned :)

Hetz

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Re: KDE 2 with Hebrew support

2000-09-10 Thread Dani Arbel

Hetz,
Maybe the next Linux Installation party at the Technion (some time at the
begining of Sept ?) will be a good place for demostration and promotion of
Linux Hebrew support?
Dani

On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 Just wanted to update you - I'm still working with Lars to fix the hebrew
 problems on konqueror.. (I'm working on it every night)
 
 So far - I can estimate that 80-90% of the hebrew problems (both on Hebrew
 Visual and Logical) are behind us. There are some layering problems in
 ynet.co.il (Yedioth), and there are small glitches here and there..
 
 You can see for example - a screenshot of Globes web site in Logical Hebrew:
 
 http://www.geocities.com/heunique/kde2/globes.png
 
 This week there will be KDE 2.0 RC1 out - I want to take this opportunity and
 ask people to download, install it and report bugs (you can submit bugs from the
 KDE itself - look at the HELP menu)..
 
 Final KDE 2.0 will be out on Oct. 16
 
 At the beginning of November, the Israeli Linux developers (well, the one who
 wants to develop hebrew application EASILY without 1000 tweaks), will have a
 nice surprise.. stay tuned :)
 
 Hetz
 
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Java/RS 232

2000-09-10 Thread Daniel Feiglin

Does any one know of available Java classes which will talk RS 232 on Linux and/or 
HP-UX? (I am aware of such classes
for Solaris  Windoze)?

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Re: KDE 2 with Hebrew support

2000-09-10 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo

Hi,

Well, it's the QT issue - not KDE. QT support unicode all the way...

The upcoming QT version 3.0 which will be sooner then when you think -
will have full BiDi support, including right-to-left editing, push mode,
etc...

Hetz


Oren Held wrote:
 
 Hello Hetz!
 
 First, I wanted to say KOL HAKAVOD () for doing something for the
 hebrew linux. There are very few peopl that actually do so. (Yeah yeah, me
 neither :) ).
 
 Anyway, I didn't really understand: will KDE-libs 2 support logical hebrew
 built in ? That will be just great!!
 
 Cya,
 Oren
 
 On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
 
  Hi All,
 
  Just wanted to update you - I'm still working with Lars to fix the hebrew
  problems on konqueror.. (I'm working on it every night)
 
  So far - I can estimate that 80-90% of the hebrew problems (both on Hebrew
  Visual and Logical) are behind us. There are some layering problems in
  ynet.co.il (Yedioth), and there are small glitches here and there..
 
  You can see for example - a screenshot of Globes web site in Logical Hebrew:
 
  http://www.geocities.com/heunique/kde2/globes.png
 
  This week there will be KDE 2.0 RC1 out - I want to take this opportunity and
  ask people to download, install it and report bugs (you can submit bugs from the
  KDE itself - look at the HELP menu)..
 
  Final KDE 2.0 will be out on Oct. 16
 
  At the beginning of November, the Israeli Linux developers (well, the one who
  wants to develop hebrew application EASILY without 1000 tweaks), will have a
  nice surprise.. stay tuned :)
 
  Hetz
 
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Re: KDE 2 with Hebrew support

2000-09-10 Thread Oren Held

Hello Hetz!

Waw, this is even better!!
I wonder how my ltr - rtl program I built in qt work then, It'll
probably go crazy. :)

I hope it'll be soon. that will be really great, and when pangoo will
finish what they do, 99% of X's softwares will have this feature
included, in my opinion..

Cya,
Oren

On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Well, it's the QT issue - not KDE. QT support unicode all the way...
 
 The upcoming QT version 3.0 which will be sooner then when you think -
 will have full BiDi support, including right-to-left editing, push mode,
 etc...
 
 Hetz
 
 
 Oren Held wrote:
  
  Hello Hetz!
  
  First, I wanted to say KOL HAKAVOD () for doing something for the
  hebrew linux. There are very few peopl that actually do so. (Yeah yeah, me
  neither :) ).
  
  Anyway, I didn't really understand: will KDE-libs 2 support logical hebrew
  built in ? That will be just great!!
  
  Cya,
  Oren
  
  On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
  
   Hi All,
  
   Just wanted to update you - I'm still working with Lars to fix the hebrew
   problems on konqueror.. (I'm working on it every night)
  
   So far - I can estimate that 80-90% of the hebrew problems (both on Hebrew
   Visual and Logical) are behind us. There are some layering problems in
   ynet.co.il (Yedioth), and there are small glitches here and there..
  
   You can see for example - a screenshot of Globes web site in Logical Hebrew:
  
   http://www.geocities.com/heunique/kde2/globes.png
  
   This week there will be KDE 2.0 RC1 out - I want to take this opportunity and
   ask people to download, install it and report bugs (you can submit bugs from the
   KDE itself - look at the HELP menu)..
  
   Final KDE 2.0 will be out on Oct. 16
  
   At the beginning of November, the Israeli Linux developers (well, the one who
   wants to develop hebrew application EASILY without 1000 tweaks), will have a
   nice surprise.. stay tuned :)
  
   Hetz
  
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Re: KDE 2 with Hebrew support

2000-09-10 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo

Well, I can add 2 things:

1. For those who develop application in Windows - it will be the same
(think about right to left push)

2. It will be WAY before pango will be released final version. I've
talked to some people at TrollTech and they will release to me some
screenshots with Hebrew - so you'll see what I mean.

Oh, one more thing - remember Kylix? most chances that it will come with
this new version of QT - so start planning to port your Delphi/C++
applications to Linux WITH HEBREW SUPPORT!

It might be a good chance to tell some companies in Israel about it - so
we would have some commercial applications... :)

Hetz

Oren Held wrote:
 
 Hello Hetz!
 
 Waw, this is even better!!
 I wonder how my ltr - rtl program I built in qt work then, It'll
 probably go crazy. :)
 
 I hope it'll be soon. that will be really great, and when pangoo will
 finish what they do, 99% of X's softwares will have this feature
 included, in my opinion..
 
 Cya,
 Oren
 
 On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  Well, it's the QT issue - not KDE. QT support unicode all the way...
 
  The upcoming QT version 3.0 which will be sooner then when you think -
  will have full BiDi support, including right-to-left editing, push mode,
  etc...
 
  Hetz
 
 
  Oren Held wrote:
  
   Hello Hetz!
  
   First, I wanted to say KOL HAKAVOD () for doing something for the
   hebrew linux. There are very few peopl that actually do so. (Yeah yeah, me
   neither :) ).
  
   Anyway, I didn't really understand: will KDE-libs 2 support logical hebrew
   built in ? That will be just great!!
  
   Cya,
   Oren
  
   On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
  
Hi All,
   
Just wanted to update you - I'm still working with Lars to fix the hebrew
problems on konqueror.. (I'm working on it every night)
   
So far - I can estimate that 80-90% of the hebrew problems (both on Hebrew
Visual and Logical) are behind us. There are some layering problems in
ynet.co.il (Yedioth), and there are small glitches here and there..
   
You can see for example - a screenshot of Globes web site in Logical Hebrew:
   
http://www.geocities.com/heunique/kde2/globes.png
   
This week there will be KDE 2.0 RC1 out - I want to take this opportunity and
ask people to download, install it and report bugs (you can submit bugs from 
the
KDE itself - look at the HELP menu)..
   
Final KDE 2.0 will be out on Oct. 16
   
At the beginning of November, the Israeli Linux developers (well, the one who
wants to develop hebrew application EASILY without 1000 tweaks), will have a
nice surprise.. stay tuned :)
   
Hetz
   
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Re: KDE 2 with Hebrew support

2000-09-10 Thread Ely Levy

That makes it the time for other happy news

The begining of working of hebrew implanted distrabution based on redhat 7.0
and later a localized version of it.

and the begining of the translation of the LDP and maybe even the GNU page
to hebrew 

if the hebrew support would be ready soon enough it would be installed in
HUJI CS's installation party which is comming soon
 

Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University 
Jerusalem Israel



On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:

|  Hi All,
|  
|  Just wanted to update you - I'm still working with Lars to fix the hebrew
|  problems on konqueror.. (I'm working on it every night)
|  
|  So far - I can estimate that 80-90% of the hebrew problems (both on Hebrew
|  Visual and Logical) are behind us. There are some layering problems in
|  ynet.co.il (Yedioth), and there are small glitches here and there..
|  
|  You can see for example - a screenshot of Globes web site in Logical Hebrew:
|  
|  http://www.geocities.com/heunique/kde2/globes.png
|  
|  This week there will be KDE 2.0 RC1 out - I want to take this opportunity and
|  ask people to download, install it and report bugs (you can submit bugs from the
|  KDE itself - look at the HELP menu)..
|  
|  Final KDE 2.0 will be out on Oct. 16
|  
|  At the beginning of November, the Israeli Linux developers (well, the one who
|  wants to develop hebrew application EASILY without 1000 tweaks), will have a
|  nice surprise.. stay tuned :)
|  
|  Hetz
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OT: online hardware store

2000-09-10 Thread Aviram Jenik

Hi.

I'm looking for an online hardware store other than Plonter or Excellnet.
Since Plonter has now become somewhat similar to excellnet (impossible to
reach by phone, can't fullfil any requests that vary from the mainlane
standard, late on shipping, and more and more), I really don't enjoy buying
stuff there.
If any of you know of a small but promising online hardware store, I'd be
happy to hear (something like what Plonter used to be 2-3 years ago).

- Aviram



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Re: KDE 2 with Hebrew support

2000-09-10 Thread Nadav Har'El

On Mon, Sep 11, 2000, Ely Levy wrote about "Re: KDE 2 with Hebrew support":
 That makes it the time for other happy news
 
 The begining of working of hebrew implanted distrabution based on redhat 7.0
 and later a localized version of it.
 
 and the begining of the translation of the LDP and maybe even the GNU page
 to hebrew 
...

Your posting is a bit mysterious :) What do you mean, is it time to work
on these things, or that *you* are actually working on this?

I hope the latter (myself, I didn't even see Redhat 7.0 yet...).
What are your plans to include in the Hebrew distribution?

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Re: KDE 2 with Hebrew support

2000-09-10 Thread Oren Held

Hello Hetz

Amazing :)

Cya,
Oren

On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:

 Well, I can add 2 things:
 
 1. For those who develop application in Windows - it will be the same
 (think about right to left push)
 
 2. It will be WAY before pango will be released final version. I've
 talked to some people at TrollTech and they will release to me some
 screenshots with Hebrew - so you'll see what I mean.
 
 Oh, one more thing - remember Kylix? most chances that it will come with
 this new version of QT - so start planning to port your Delphi/C++
 applications to Linux WITH HEBREW SUPPORT!
 
 It might be a good chance to tell some companies in Israel about it - so
 we would have some commercial applications... :)
 
 Hetz


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RE: online hardware store

2000-09-10 Thread fredy

Try www.omc.co.il
I find them pretty fair.

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To: linux ILUG
Subject: OT: online hardware store


Hi.

I'm looking for an online hardware store other than Plonter or Excellnet.
Since Plonter has now become somewhat similar to excellnet (impossible to
reach by phone, can't fullfil any requests that vary from the mainlane
standard, late on shipping, and more and more), I really don't enjoy buying
stuff there.
If any of you know of a small but promising online hardware store, I'd be
happy to hear (something like what Plonter used to be 2-3 years ago).

- Aviram



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Re: #iglu on DALnet

2000-09-10 Thread Ely Levy

cause then ppl can talk on one channel which sort of missing the point of
irc you might as well make a web chat

Ely Levy
System group
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Jerusalem Israel



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|  I don't think that channel on DALNet is a good idea:
|  
|  - Once in a three months .il gets a ban on DALNet ;-)))
|  - Many people (like me) left DALNet because of ideological reasons.
|  - I think that the best place for a channel will be on irc.iglu.org.il
|  that's right, why shouldn't we have our own IRC server?
|  
|  Ariel Biener wrote:
|  
|   Hi,
|  
|Afaik, most Israeli (*.il) users are on DALnet. I have registered #iglu
|   there, so people can come in, ask/answer questions.
|  
|   --Ariel
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Re: Java/RS 232

2000-09-10 Thread Jonathan Ben-Avraham


On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Daniel Feiglin wrote:

 Does any one know of available Java classes which will talk RS 232 on Linux and/or 
HP-UX? (I am aware of such classes
 for Solaris  Windoze)?

Sun's javacomm-20 is still only supporting Window and Solaris RS232. We
tested it recently. My advice is to look at IBM's implementation rather
than that on java.sun.com. It seems to me that Sun is interested in making
reference implementations and leaving it to the Java licensees (like IBM)
to do the other platforms. As far as I know, Linux has no one to port
javacomm.
Regards,

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Re: OT: online hardware store

2000-09-10 Thread Omer Musaev

Aviram Jenik wrote:
 
 Hi.
 
 I'm looking for an online hardware store other than Plonter or Excellnet.
 Since Plonter has now become somewhat similar to excellnet (impossible to
 reach by phone, can't fullfil any requests that vary from the mainlane
 standard, late on shipping, and more and more), I really don't enjoy buying
 stuff there.
 If any of you know of a small but promising online hardware store, I'd be
 happy to hear (something like what Plonter used to be 2-3 years ago).
 
www.aluf.co.il
 
 
 - Aviram
 
 
 
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Re: online hardware store

2000-09-10 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo

Lets hope that they'll upgrade their prices soon (and I mean real soon!) - It
looks like their prices are at avrage 20$ more then others (compare processors,
RAM, display cards etc)..

It seems that they're web sited chalking Netscape on Linux very heavily :)

Hetz


fredy wrote:
 
 Try www.omc.co.il
 I find them pretty fair.
 
 Fred Arie.
 TIE Middle East Ltd.
 Ben Gurion 22 street
 Hertzliya, ISRAEL
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  or: +972-9-9501113
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Re: OT: online hardware store

2000-09-10 Thread Aviram Jenik

Actually, from a quick comparison of prices for what I wanted to buy (ECC
memory chip, voodoo card) their prices are as cheap as Plonter's and in some
cases much lower.
I guess it always pays to do some shopping around, though. Now that there's
finally some competition in this area.

- Aviram


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 Hmmm, I stand corrected...
 Indeed I havent used it for too long.

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 Cc: Aviram Jenik; linux ILUG
 Subject: Re: online hardware store


 Lets hope that they'll upgrade their prices soon (and I mean real soon!) -
 It
 looks like their prices are at avrage 20$ more then others (compare
 processors,
 RAM, display cards etc)..

 It seems that they're web sited chalking Netscape on Linux very heavily :)

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Re: Java/RS 232

2000-09-10 Thread Isaac Aaron


IIRC, a javacomm addon is avaliable for IBM's JDK 1.3.0. I've seen it when
I downloaded it myself.

Isaac Aaron
Azorim Construction



   
   
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On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Daniel Feiglin wrote:

 Does any one know of available Java classes which will talk RS 232 on
Linux and/or HP-UX? (I am aware of such classes
 for Solaris  Windoze)?

Sun's javacomm-20 is still only supporting Window and Solaris RS232. We
tested it recently. My advice is to look at IBM's implementation rather
than that on java.sun.com. It seems to me that Sun is interested in making
reference implementations and leaving it to the Java licensees (like IBM)
to do the other platforms. As far as I know, Linux has no one to port
javacomm.
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Re: Java/RS 232

2000-09-10 Thread Daniel Feiglin

IBM has a Linux package which I know about. (Same place as the 1.3 d/l.) There doesn't 
seem to be any API docs on it.
(I'm still looking ...)

Dan Feiglin

Isaac Aaron wrote:
 
 IIRC, a javacomm addon is avaliable for IBM's JDK 1.3.0. I've seen it when
 I downloaded it myself.
 
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  Does any one know of available Java classes which will talk RS 232 on
 Linux and/or HP-UX? (I am aware of such classes
  for Solaris  Windoze)?
 
 Sun's javacomm-20 is still only supporting Window and Solaris RS232. We
 tested it recently. My advice is to look at IBM's implementation rather
 than that on java.sun.com. It seems to me that Sun is interested in making
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Latest XFree (4.x)

2000-09-10 Thread Doron Barzilay

Can someone write me where can I get the latest version of XFree86 in a RPM
file??

Please Write an Address (Preferred in Israel...)


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Re: KDE 2 with Hebrew support

2000-09-10 Thread Ely Levy

my posting is always mystrious here is a hacked spec made by Ilya and few
things added by me

Looking for suggestions

I bet nadav would give up a page on ivrix to put it right?

As for the LDP we first working on a dictionary for techincal words
and we need to decide if we going to translate initials or not
like if IP would be ai pi in hebrew or peh alef 
I think that if you translate part you need to translate all
other disagree with me..

send me your ideas

Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University 
Jerusalem Israel



On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Nadav Har'El wrote:

|  On Mon, Sep 11, 2000, Ely Levy wrote about "Re: KDE 2 with Hebrew support":
|   That makes it the time for other happy news
|  
|   The begining of working of hebrew implanted distrabution based on redhat 7.0
|   and later a localized version of it.
|  
|   and the begining of the translation of the LDP and maybe even the GNU page
|   to hebrew
|  ...
|  
|  Your posting is a bit mysterious :) What do you mean, is it time to work
|  on these things, or that *you* are actually working on this?
|  
|  I hope the latter (myself, I didn't even see Redhat 7.0 yet...).
|  What are your plans to include in the Hebrew distribution?
|  
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Hacked up specs of the Hebrew RedHat:

- BitchX with Hebrew compiled in
- KDE 2, in the most sane version we can get at the moment
  where the Hebrew support works without any problems.
- gtkbidi
- Make menu entries for gedit, gnp load with gtkbidi
- Make GnomeICU load with gtkbidi
  (possibly, pack the new GnomeICU development version
  which fixes serious instabilities)

  Involves changing:
  /etc/CORBA/servers/GnomeICU.gnorba
  and chaging there the "location_info" line to:
  location_info gtkbidi gnomeicu
  
- Hebrew licq (haven't seen it)

- Good ISO08 console fonts which include line drawing characters:

  /usr/lib/kbd/consolefonts
iso08.f08.psf.gz
iso08.f14.psf.gz
iso08.f16.psf.gz

  I already have a 16 one, and will dump the 8 and 14 ones
  hopefully.

- Good working Hebrew console keymap.
  I think I have one which was quite fine for me for using
  Hebrew BitchX from plain console, switching via the 
  "Context-Menu" key on my Win95 keyboard.

- Hebrew X-compliant keymaps
  and Windows-style (Alt-Shift) switching (optional, along
  with original options)

  Files to be updated/added:
  /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/keymap/xfree86
  /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/he
  /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/group

  /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/pc104
  ^ that's not required, but we CAN update it
so that the "Windows" keys would react as "Super-L"
and "Super-R" keys (which are originally Sun keyboard
keys AFAIK) instead of Meta-L and Meta-R.
That's since Emacs would use Meta-L and Meta-R over
Alt-L and Alt-R when available, and we don't wanna use
Windows keys for Emacs opreations, but the usual
ALT combinations.
  
  (Possibly, tweak the X configuration tools to present Hebrew
  and the additional group-switching Alt-Shift sequence)
  
- Decent free hebrew fonts.
  Find out legal issues and whether we can ship Microsoft's fonts.
  In case of doubt, contact Microsoft. It couldn't get any worser :)

- Check for hebrew editor

- Babylon and the dictionary files

- Lyx and its hebrew support

- Mozzila or patched netscape

- Hebrew Ispell

- Hebrew support for emacs

- Check the hebrew pine and maybe work for Unicode pine support

- Check for translating the HOWTOs to hebrew

- Localize version of main programs

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Re: KDE 2 with Hebrew support

2000-09-10 Thread Nadav Har'El

On Mon, Sep 11, 2000, Ely Levy wrote about "Re: KDE 2 with Hebrew support":
 my posting is always mystrious here is a hacked spec made by Ilya and few
 things added by me
 
 Looking for suggestions
 
 I bet nadav would give up a page on ivrix to put it right?

Sure. Anyone who wants to take care of parts of ftp.ivrix.org.il repository
or www.ivrix.org.il webpages, please contact me privately and I'll give you
an account.

Good luck!

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Re: KDE 2 with Hebrew support

2000-09-10 Thread Tzafrir Cohen

On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Ely Levy wrote:

 my posting is always mystrious here is a hacked spec made by Ilya and few
 things added by me
 
 Looking for suggestions
 
 I bet nadav would give up a page on ivrix to put it right?
 
 As for the LDP we first working on a dictionary for techincal words
 and we need to decide if we going to translate initials or not
 like if IP would be ai pi in hebrew or peh alef
 I think that if you translate part you need to translate all
 other disagree with me..

I think it should either be IP or (in case this looks really bad) ai pi
 peh aleph (as in the Hebrew transcription of IBM) is really bad.

One other thing about LDP: Has anybody tried Hebrew with sgmltools ? 
I figure creating (logical) Hebrew text/html is trivial. However -
creating PS and PDF requires logical-visual translation.

Another possible docs format is latex.

 Hacked up specs of the Hebrew RedHat:

Do consider hacking Mandrake instead. One of Mandrake's strong points is
good localization. Another is its optimizatin for home users. I don't know
how much has RedHat cought-up in both fields.

(please keep this from becoming a mandrake-redhat flamewar :)

 
 - BitchX with Hebrew compiled in

What is this Hebrew support? How much of this can be achived simply by
running it in an xterm with biditext, or in console with acon?

 - KDE 2, in the most sane version we can get at the moment
 where the Hebrew support works without any problems.

From what I understand the "hebrew support" in KDE2 is support for logical
hebrew in the browser, a translation of the user interface to
(visual) Hebrew, and the use of unicode, which means much less font
settings are required.

Actually translating the user interface is not very hard. It can be done
as well for gnome, windowmaker, ice, and any other desktop. It would still
be visual Hebrew.

But there is a reason why this should not be done. When bidi support in QT
will hit the desktops, people using kde2 will complain that all of the
menus show reveresed Hebrew.

Back on topic...

You would need unicode fonts. It is not legal to put the MS fonts on the
CD. For those with windows on another partition - it is trivial to install
those fonts from windows. For the others - you'll probably find some
workaround.

Actually the whole Hebrew support there is not such a big deal:

If you installed Mandrake 7.1, chose "hebrew" as the language, and
installed iso8 fonts during the installtion, you would automatically get a
hebrew desktop:

The choise of hebrew as language also set the locale to "he". This means
that the default language of kde was hebrew. Mandrake also used a patch to
qt 1.44 which added the ability to set the default fonts according to the
locale. 

 - gtkbidi
 - Make menu entries for gedit, gnp load with gtkbidi

Last time I tried gedit 0.51 from andrake 6.1 was affected by gtkbidi, but
gedit 0.55 from mandrake 7.0 was no afcted.

 - Make GnomeICU load with gtkbidi
 (possibly, pack the new GnomeICU development version
 which fixes serious instabilities)
 
 Involves changing:
   /etc/CORBA/servers/GnomeICU.gnorba
 and chaging there the "location_info" line to:
   location_info gtkbidi gnomeicu
 
 - Hebrew licq (haven't seen it)

Anybody managed to get the qt-gui of licq to display hebrew? Ever since
they moved to unicode something there screwed up, at least for me. 
Well, there is also the gtk gui, but it is not as machure as the qt gui.

 
 - Good ISO08 console fonts which include line drawing characters:
 
 /usr/lib/kbd/consolefonts
   iso08.f08.psf.gz
   iso08.f14.psf.gz
   iso08.f16.psf.gz
 
 I already have a 16 one, and will dump the 8 and 14 ones
 hopefully.

Once you do that - please send them to the maintainer of the "kbd" package
(look in freshmeat). This will get them to all the distros.

 
 - Good working Hebrew console keymap.

Check if the recent hebrew keymap in RH7 is not the correct one. Anyway -
if it is incorrect - also send the correct one to the maintainer of kbd.

 I think I have one which was quite fine for me for using
 Hebrew BitchX from plain console, switching via the 
 "Context-Menu" key on my Win95 keyboard.
 
 - Hebrew X-compliant keymaps
 and Windows-style (Alt-Shift) switching (optional, along
 with original options)
 
 Files to be updated/added:
 /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/keymap/xfree86
 /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/he
 /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/group
 
 /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/pc104

Some mre is required. You would want to add the hebrew layout in the list
of layouts, for instance.

See the iglu faq-hebrew-hebrew keyboard under X-xkb for some more (but
still incomplete) information.

BTW: Ilya - I was hoping that you could translate some of the xkb docs to
hebrew or english ;)

 ^ that's not required, but we CAN update it
   so that the "Windows" keys would react as "Super-L"
   and "Super-R" keys (which are originally Sun keyboard
   keys AFAIK) instead of Meta-L and Meta-R.
   That's since Emacs would use 

Re: external ISDN

2000-09-10 Thread Nimrod Mesika

On Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 10:55:50PM +0200, Mike Almogy wrote:
 Hi list.
 
 Do i need any drivers for external ISDN device ?
 I'm connecting it to the com1/com2 port.
 I do not need any driver for regular modem, right ?

Well, you have to send some init string to your terminal adaptor
(that's how an 'external ISDN device' is called). It sets various
line properties: sync/async, data rate, etc.

If you have drivers for Windows, check the initialization string
they use.

Other than that - no kernel modules or anything like that is
needed. Oh - and you use the standard ppp daemon not the synchronous
pppd that internal ISDN adaptors need.

Last advice: setting the correct parameters might be difficult and
depends, of course, on the ISP configuration. Some POPs (=telephone
numbers) may be configured differently. We had to connect to
Bezeqint once and never could make it work with one of their numbers
(640. Only 136363 worked. Go figure...)


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http://www.geocities.com/rodd_27

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[OT] webmastering/PHP/modPerl help needed

2000-09-10 Thread Roi Hadar

Shalom,

The Campaign against the Cross Israel Highway is looking for a volunteer to
help them set up their website( http://www.stoproad.org. The current
volunteer is a Windows/ASP weenie and while he can handle some basic static
content with Apache, creating a dynamic forum is beyond him.

If you're interested please contact Shlomi at mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or
051-923789.
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