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Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
On Jun 10, 2011, at 9:38 PM, Marc Volovic wrote: People, RMS (as well as any other person) is entitled to support, adhere, acquiesce or abhor, deny, etc any and all BDS activities. The man is entitled to his opinion and choice. It is his right as a man and as a public figure. Marc, it has to do with US corporate law and practice. In the US, officers of a corporation are limited in liability for their actions as corporate officers. What they do as private citizens is different than what they do as officers of the corporation. This is different than Israeli corporate law, where there is much less of a corporate veil. When they do something as an officer of the corporation, it takes on a whole new meaning. It is the stated policy of the corportation. If RMS as RMS states what he does, as a private citizen, it is free speech. He is entitled to his opionions and limited by US laws as to what he can say and where, but those limits are awfully wide (compared to Israeli ones for example). However, once he signs an email as an officer of the FSF, or states it publicly that he, as representing the FSF is going to support a boycott (or not) and so on, it is FSF policy. So like it or not, the FSF has now incorporated the BDS movement into their message. It's not just FREE Software, it's also support the Palestinians and boycott Israel. If RMS wants to vacation in Ramalah, or sun himself on the beaches of Gaza, he is welcome to. If he does not want to stay in, vist or even pass through Israel, (He could enter Gaza from Egypt, or the PA from Jordan), he is welcome to. However as the President of the FSF his perceived boycott of Israeli institutions is unacceptable, and dilutes the FSF and it's message. Depending upon exactly what he does and does not do, and who provides the money for his visit, he (and therefore the FSF as he spoke and speaks for them) may be in volation of US law, and therefore subject to investigation, tax audits, etc. Quite simply this will not end well for the FSF. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM Making your enemy reliant on software you support is the best revenge. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 09:45:33AM +0300, geoffrey mendelson wrote: On Jun 10, 2011, at 9:38 PM, Marc Volovic wrote: People, RMS (as well as any other person) is entitled to support, adhere, acquiesce or abhor, deny, etc any and all BDS activities. The man is entitled to his opinion and choice. It is his right as a man and as a public figure. Marc, it has to do with US corporate law and practice. In the US, officers of a corporation are limited in liability for their actions as corporate officers. What they do as private citizens is different than what they do as officers of the corporation. This is different than Israeli corporate law, where there is much less of a corporate veil. When they do something as an officer of the corporation, it takes on a whole new meaning. It is the stated policy of the corportation. If RMS as RMS states what he does, as a private citizen, it is free speech. He is entitled to his opionions and limited by US laws as to what he can say and where, but those limits are awfully wide (compared to Israeli ones for example). However, once he signs an email as an officer of the FSF, or states it publicly that he, as representing the FSF is going to support a boycott (or not) and so on, it is FSF policy. So like it or not, the FSF has now incorporated the BDS movement into their message. It's not just FREE Software, it's also support the Palestinians and boycott Israel. I suggest you go and sue the FSF. If RMS wants to vacation in Ramalah, or sun himself on the beaches of Gaza, he is welcome to. If he does not want to stay in, vist or even pass through Israel, (He could enter Gaza from Egypt, or the PA from Jordan), he is welcome to. However as the President of the FSF his perceived boycott of Israeli institutions is unacceptable, and dilutes the FSF and it's message. Depending upon exactly what he does and does not do, and who provides the money for his visit, he (and therefore the FSF as he spoke and speaks for them) may be in volation of US law, and therefore subject to investigation, tax audits, etc. Quite simply this will not end well for the FSF. Guys. We have our own local Florian Müller. Listen to him. It's the end of the FSF! -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best tzaf...@debian.org|| friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 09:45, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 10, 2011, at 9:38 PM, Marc Volovic wrote: People, RMS (as well as any other person) is entitled to support, adhere, acquiesce or abhor, deny, etc any and all BDS activities. The man is entitled to his opinion and choice. It is his right as a man and as a public figure. Marc, it has to do with US corporate law and practice. In the US, officers of a corporation are limited in liability for their actions as corporate officers. What they do as private citizens is different than what they do as officers of the corporation. This is different than Israeli corporate law, where there is much less of a corporate veil. When they do something as an officer of the corporation, it takes on a whole new meaning. It is the stated policy of the corportation. If RMS as RMS states what he does, as a private citizen, it is free speech. He is entitled to his opionions and limited by US laws as to what he can say and where, but those limits are awfully wide (compared to Israeli ones for example). However, once he signs an email as an officer of the FSF, or states it publicly that he, as representing the FSF is going to support a boycott (or not) and so on, it is FSF policy. So like it or not, the FSF has now incorporated the BDS movement into their message. It's not just FREE Software, it's also support the Palestinians and boycott Israel. If RMS wants to vacation in Ramalah, or sun himself on the beaches of Gaza, he is welcome to. If he does not want to stay in, vist or even pass through Israel, (He could enter Gaza from Egypt, or the PA from Jordan), he is welcome to. However as the President of the FSF his perceived boycott of Israeli institutions is unacceptable, and dilutes the FSF and it's message. Depending upon exactly what he does and does not do, and who provides the money for his visit, he (and therefore the FSF as he spoke and speaks for them) may be in volation of US law, and therefore subject to investigation, tax audits, etc. Quite simply this will not end well for the FSF. Geoff. I don't agree with you, Geoff. What Richard Stallman does as a private person does not mean the FSF in involved. As a private person Richard Stallman has the right to boycott Israeli institutions and universities. It does not mean that the FSF is boycotting Israel. Uri Even-Chen Mobile Phone: +972-50-9007559 E-mail: u...@speedy.net Website: http://www.speedy.net/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
On Jun 12, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Uri Even-Chen wrote: I don't agree with you, Geoff. What Richard Stallman does as a private person does not mean the FSF in involved. As a private person Richard Stallman has the right to boycott Israeli institutions and universities. It does not mean that the FSF is boycotting Israel. You can agree or not, it's your opinion. However US law is that once he signs his emails as an officer of the corporation, in this case president, it does. I am not a lawyer, but what I remember is that it is also the case in Israel. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM Making your enemy reliant on software you support is the best revenge. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: An alternative to Skype
On Jun 10, 2011 8:53 PM, Steve G. word...@gmail.com wrote: If you want computer to computer, there are plenty of chat clients that would work - Jabber, msn, aol, yahoo, I think all have voice and video communications in them. Gmail is another excellent system. The problem is the network effect - both sides must be part of the system. To make phone calls, other than skype there is ekiga and probably some other things, as well as gmail, but these are not free. Personally, whatever RMS puts on his web site, is what I will NOT be using in the future. Even if it means I have to buy MS OS, though considering that practically all laptop computers have MS on them, I doubt it would be an issue. I have been a devout proponent of OSS solutions for many years, but there is something to be said for for-profit software - you are not dependent on RMS and his likes. A real company supports its product regardless of politics. Go Proprietary Software! Actually, any commercial company is more than likely to drop you on the floor like an hot potato at the mere sniff of trouble to them. But it seems like your response was more about childish revenge than real attempt to think things through. Baruch ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: An alternative to Skype
Maybe, but that is my choice. I am not yet abandoning open source, or course, but will from now on try to be more diverse. On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Baruch Even bar...@ev-en.org wrote: On Jun 10, 2011 8:53 PM, Steve G. word...@gmail.com wrote: If you want computer to computer, there are plenty of chat clients that would work - Jabber, msn, aol, yahoo, I think all have voice and video communications in them. Gmail is another excellent system. The problem is the network effect - both sides must be part of the system. To make phone calls, other than skype there is ekiga and probably some other things, as well as gmail, but these are not free. Personally, whatever RMS puts on his web site, is what I will NOT be using in the future. Even if it means I have to buy MS OS, though considering that practically all laptop computers have MS on them, I doubt it would be an issue. I have been a devout proponent of OSS solutions for many years, but there is something to be said for for-profit software - you are not dependent on RMS and his likes. A real company supports its product regardless of politics. Go Proprietary Software! Actually, any commercial company is more than likely to drop you on the floor like an hot potato at the mere sniff of trouble to them. But it seems like your response was more about childish revenge than real attempt to think things through. Baruch -- Check out my web site - www.words2u.net ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: An alternative to Skype
The number of free software packages where RMS is involved, or even was ever involved, is very small compared to the whole open software universe. Even if you decide to boycott the entire GNU projectyou stll have tons of free software that is not FSF-related. But then, it's you choice - feel free to shoot yourself in the foot (not literally). The truth is that the world doesn't really care what you do. And as others have noted, there were enough cases in the past of foreign companies boycotting Israel. With Free Software you always have the source code. Personally, the whole fiasco did change my opinions on RMS, but this is unrelated to my decisions w.r.t open source. Boycotting Open Source would only punish myself. Udi 2011/6/12 Steve G. word...@gmail.com Maybe, but that is my choice. I am not yet abandoning open source, or course, but will from now on try to be more diverse. On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Baruch Even bar...@ev-en.org wrote: On Jun 10, 2011 8:53 PM, Steve G. word...@gmail.com wrote: If you want computer to computer, there are plenty of chat clients that would work - Jabber, msn, aol, yahoo, I think all have voice and video communications in them. Gmail is another excellent system. The problem is the network effect - both sides must be part of the system. To make phone calls, other than skype there is ekiga and probably some other things, as well as gmail, but these are not free. Personally, whatever RMS puts on his web site, is what I will NOT be using in the future. Even if it means I have to buy MS OS, though considering that practically all laptop computers have MS on them, I doubt it would be an issue. I have been a devout proponent of OSS solutions for many years, but there is something to be said for for-profit software - you are not dependent on RMS and his likes. A real company supports its product regardless of politics. Go Proprietary Software! Actually, any commercial company is more than likely to drop you on the floor like an hot potato at the mere sniff of trouble to them. But it seems like your response was more about childish revenge than real attempt to think things through. Baruch -- Check out my web site - www.words2u.net ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
Being significantly less conversant with US corporate law than e.g. Israeli corporate law, I'll take your comments at face value. Is RMS, by agreeing to the conditions set by the financial contributors to his visit, in violation of US law? Mind - to the best of my understanding - he has not gone BDS publicly, only stated in private email conversations that he will adhere to the conditions set. Does that also contravene? M On Jun 12, 2011, at 9:45 AM, geoffrey mendelson wrote: On Jun 10, 2011, at 9:38 PM, Marc Volovic wrote: People, RMS (as well as any other person) is entitled to support, adhere, acquiesce or abhor, deny, etc any and all BDS activities. The man is entitled to his opinion and choice. It is his right as a man and as a public figure. Marc, it has to do with US corporate law and practice. In the US, officers of a corporation are limited in liability for their actions as corporate officers. What they do as private citizens is different than what they do as officers of the corporation. This is different than Israeli corporate law, where there is much less of a corporate veil. When they do something as an officer of the corporation, it takes on a whole new meaning. It is the stated policy of the corportation. If RMS as RMS states what he does, as a private citizen, it is free speech. He is entitled to his opionions and limited by US laws as to what he can say and where, but those limits are awfully wide (compared to Israeli ones for example). However, once he signs an email as an officer of the FSF, or states it publicly that he, as representing the FSF is going to support a boycott (or not) and so on, it is FSF policy. So like it or not, the FSF has now incorporated the BDS movement into their message. It's not just FREE Software, it's also support the Palestinians and boycott Israel. If RMS wants to vacation in Ramalah, or sun himself on the beaches of Gaza, he is welcome to. If he does not want to stay in, vist or even pass through Israel, (He could enter Gaza from Egypt, or the PA from Jordan), he is welcome to. However as the President of the FSF his perceived boycott of Israeli institutions is unacceptable, and dilutes the FSF and it's message. Depending upon exactly what he does and does not do, and who provides the money for his visit, he (and therefore the FSF as he spoke and speaks for them) may be in volation of US law, and therefore subject to investigation, tax audits, etc. Quite simply this will not end well for the FSF. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM Making your enemy reliant on software you support is the best revenge. ---MAV Marc A Volovic marcvolo...@me.com +972-54-467-6764 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: An alternative to Skype
Well, seeing as how most workers' strikes here only punish those who are striking, that would be completely in character :P But more seriously, the main advantage that I see to using Skype is that everybody else does. It's like the Myspace/Facebook war of a few years ago. Facebook won because that's what people were using. It's very nice to want to use FOSS alternatives, but it won't help you if you're sitting there all by yourself on the network. I personally am rooting for that guy who reverse engineered the Skype protocol (sorta). I know that it's bordering on illegal to use his hack, but my (perhaps vain) hope is that at some point this will proliferate in the wild so much that it will be unable to be enforced and MS-Skype will just sort of give up. That means that at some point there will be FOSS alternatives that will be able to connect to the Skype network. It will take time, and a lot of faith, but so far Skype for Linux still works. 2011/6/12 Udi Finkelstein linux...@udif.com Personally, the whole fiasco did change my opinions on RMS, but this is unrelated to my decisions w.r.t open source. Boycotting Open Source would only punish myself. Udi 2011/6/12 Steve G. word...@gmail.com Maybe, but that is my choice. I am not yet abandoning open source, or course, but will from now on try to be more diverse. On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Baruch Even bar...@ev-en.org wrote: On Jun 10, 2011 8:53 PM, Steve G. word...@gmail.com wrote: If you want computer to computer, there are plenty of chat clients that would work - Jabber, msn, aol, yahoo, I think all have voice and video communications in them. Gmail is another excellent system. The problem is the network effect - both sides must be part of the system. To make phone calls, other than skype there is ekiga and probably some other things, as well as gmail, but these are not free. Personally, whatever RMS puts on his web site, is what I will NOT be using in the future. Even if it means I have to buy MS OS, though considering that practically all laptop computers have MS on them, I doubt it would be an issue. I have been a devout proponent of OSS solutions for many years, but there is something to be said for for-profit software - you are not dependent on RMS and his likes. A real company supports its product regardless of politics. Go Proprietary Software! Actually, any commercial company is more than likely to drop you on the floor like an hot potato at the mere sniff of trouble to them. But it seems like your response was more about childish revenge than real attempt to think things through. Baruch -- Check out my web site - www.words2u.net ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: An alternative to Skype
2011/6/12 Udi Finkelstein linux...@udif.com The number of free software packages where RMS is involved, or even was ever involved, is very small compared to the whole open software universe. Even if you decide to boycott the entire GNU projectyou stll have tons of free software that is not FSF-related. I disagree. Richard Stallman in the founder of the GNU project and the GPL. About half of all open source software is licenses as GPL. The Linux operating system with all its distributions, GCC complier and many other open source software exist because of Richard Stallman's contributions. I don't recommend anyone to boycott GNU or the FSF. Uri Even-Chen Mobile Phone: +972-50-9007559 E-mail: u...@speedy.net Website: http://www.speedy.net/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: An alternative to Skype
On Jun 12, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Mordecha Behar wrote: That means that at some point there will be FOSS alternatives that will be able to connect to the Skype network. There is and has been for some time. It just costs you money. Skype offically supports SIP. You have to pay for each SIP channel (around $5 a month) and you pay for every call to an outside phone. The now defunct Skype For Asterisk product gave you more features, but you can still receive and make calls to skype users and outside phones. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM Making your enemy reliant on software you support is the best revenge. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Marc Volovic marcvolo...@me.com wrote: Being significantly less conversant with US corporate law than e.g. Israeli corporate law, I'll take your comments at face value. Is RMS, by agreeing to the conditions set by the financial contributors to his visit, in violation of US law? #include ianal.h Maybe. Maybe not. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode50a/usc_sec_50a_2407000-.html http://www.bis.doc.gov/complianceandenforcement/antiboycottcompliance.htm FSF is an NPO, not a business (the anti-boycott laws are primarily about business activities). It is not clear to me whether RMS's visit+lectures+fees+etc. constitute business activity. His expenses are paid, maybe he will receive a honorarium for his appearance - it well may be that it constitutes business activity. If FSF falls under the anti-boycott law (and I don't know that) then not only must RMS refuse to visit the PA, he (i.e., FSF) must report the request (this is the legal term in the context) to the US authorities. An important point is that one does not need to support the boycott as a matter of policy to break the law, it is enough to co-operate in an individual instance (including by inaction). To summarize in generic terms: generally, AFAIK, boycotts are legal. Business activity supporting a *foreign* boycott is illegal in the US. Having said that (and reiterating that IANAL), here are a couple of things to ponder. 1) Independent boycotts are allowed, so if FSF itself boycotts Israeli universities it is probably permitted by law to do so (Geoff alluded to this possibility). If RMS says that it is his personal decision then he is likely (assuming his trip is in his FSF capacity - see below) in a conflict of interest (I mentioned it in an earlier post). 2) It may be that there is a loophole in the law - the law concerns boycotts by countries. If RMS's sponsors are private individuals maybe this will work for him. On the other hand it may be possible to prove that the condition is materially similar to the official boycott, and the loophole is thereby plugged. Another summary: whoever wants to consider reporting FSF/RMS to the US authorities (or sue) should consult a qualified lawyer with experience in EAR/anti-boycott law. Mind - to the best of my understanding - he has not gone BDS publicly, only stated in private email conversations that he will adhere to the conditions set. Does that also contravene? As Geoff mentioned (correctly, IMHO), he discusses this in his capacity as the President of FSF. I suppose his trip is also in that capacity, not as a private individual. BTW, no one should be surprised that RMS supports this boycott - much of his activity concerns boycotting this or that, once you think about it. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | p...@goldshmidt.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: An alternative to Skype
I am neither planning nor recommending to boycott GNU or FSF. I also drive German and Japanese cars. I AM planning to maintain alternatives to them - that is, while my attitude in the past was to find ways to use open source solutions even if it meant, often, spending days fixing bugs and glitches (using third party patches or instructions), I am now going to use MS or Apple solutions instead. Specifically, I will use Skype, VMWare and VirtualBox on Win7, iTunes on Win7/OS-X, etc. instead of compiling every other week on Linux. When it comes to advocacy, when in the past I was advocating a move to OSS products, in the future I would advocate for using products that can work with both MS and Linux, or using heterogeneous systems. As far as I am concerned, OSS is no longer future-proof, and has to be only a of my product mix, not the only one. Z. PS to the idiots who respond to others' views with 'nobody cares what you do', nobody gives a hoot what you do or think either (I am not talking about my personal not giving a shit - the world does not really care about 15 geeks arguing about the merits of open source compilers, which language is better perl or ada, or a bunch of things where the opinions are distinctions without a difference). 2011/6/12 Uri Even-Chen u...@speedy.net 2011/6/12 Udi Finkelstein linux...@udif.com The number of free software packages where RMS is involved, or even was ever involved, is very small compared to the whole open software universe. Even if you decide to boycott the entire GNU projectyou stll have tons of free software that is not FSF-related. I disagree. Richard Stallman in the founder of the GNU project and the GPL. About half of all open source software is licenses as GPL. The Linux operating system with all its distributions, GCC complier and many other open source software exist because of Richard Stallman's contributions. I don't recommend anyone to boycott GNU or the FSF. Uri Even-Chen Mobile Phone: +972-50-9007559 E-mail: u...@speedy.net Website: http://www.speedy.net/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Check out my web site - www.words2u.net ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: An alternative to Skype
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 09:19:55AM -0600, Steve G. wrote: I am neither planning nor recommending to boycott GNU or FSF. I also drive German and Japanese cars. I AM planning to maintain alternatives to them - that is, while my attitude in the past was to find ways to use open source solutions even if it meant, often, spending days fixing bugs and glitches (using third party patches or instructions), I am now going to use MS or Apple solutions instead. Specifically, I will use Skype, VMWare and VirtualBox on Win7, iTunes on Win7/OS-X, etc. instead of compiling every other week on Linux. Hmm... diversity. How nice. So when VirtualBox gets abandoned by Oracle, or Skype gets abandoned by Microsoft, where will you move to? Or when OpenOffice.org gets abandoned by Oracle, where will you move to? Hmm, maybe LibreOffice? If you don't want compiling every week, stop using Gentoo (or LFS, or whatever) and move to a distro that uses some less GCC CPU time. When it comes to advocacy, when in the past I was advocating a move to OSS products, in the future I would advocate for using products that can work with both MS and Linux, or using heterogeneous systems. As far as I am concerned, OSS is no longer future-proof, and has to be only a of my product mix, not the only one. Hmmm... that's rich. RMS says a few words and all of a sudden the whole Free Software shutters? Kindly explain your logic to us. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best tzaf...@debian.org|| friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: An alternative to Skype
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote: Or when OpenOffice.org gets abandoned by Oracle, where will you move to? Hmm, maybe LibreOffice? Good question: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/01/oracle_openoffice_apache/ ;-) -- Oleg Goldshmidt | p...@goldshmidt.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: An alternative to Skype
1. You can't say RMS is not a leading voice of free software. Then there is mint. Then there are others. 2. The advantage of diversity is that if MS drops skype, and there is a market need, they would come up with an alternative. And if not, there is always Apple, Oracle, or another business that will gladly jump in. Not forgetting OSS solutions, if any. 3. The problem is VMware and VirtualBox on Ubuntu, not the OS. Vmware links directly to version dependent libraries (even if the number, not the library, changes one has to recompile). VB has not been working well for me. 4. There are advantages - in addition to price - to OSS products. There are also advantages to capital-driven-products, be they somewhat open (MS partner driven approach) or more closed (Apple controlled approach). 5. If one considers OSS a religion, their Gods have just lost some of their shine. On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.ilwrote: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 09:19:55AM -0600, Steve G. wrote: I am neither planning nor recommending to boycott GNU or FSF. I also drive German and Japanese cars. I AM planning to maintain alternatives to them - that is, while my attitude in the past was to find ways to use open source solutions even if it meant, often, spending days fixing bugs and glitches (using third party patches or instructions), I am now going to use MS or Apple solutions instead. Specifically, I will use Skype, VMWare and VirtualBox on Win7, iTunes on Win7/OS-X, etc. instead of compiling every other week on Linux. Hmm... diversity. How nice. So when VirtualBox gets abandoned by Oracle, or Skype gets abandoned by Microsoft, where will you move to? Or when OpenOffice.org gets abandoned by Oracle, where will you move to? Hmm, maybe LibreOffice? If you don't want compiling every week, stop using Gentoo (or LFS, or whatever) and move to a distro that uses some less GCC CPU time. When it comes to advocacy, when in the past I was advocating a move to OSS products, in the future I would advocate for using products that can work with both MS and Linux, or using heterogeneous systems. As far as I am concerned, OSS is no longer future-proof, and has to be only a of my product mix, not the only one. Hmmm... that's rich. RMS says a few words and all of a sudden the whole Free Software shutters? Kindly explain your logic to us. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best tzaf...@debian.org|| friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Check out my web site - www.words2u.net ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: An alternative to Skype
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 11:24:26AM -0600, Steve G. wrote: 1. You can't say RMS is not a leading voice of free software. Then there is mint. Then there are others. 2. The advantage of diversity is that if MS drops skype, and there is a market need, they would come up with an alternative. And if not, there is always Apple, Oracle, or another business that will gladly jump in. Not forgetting OSS solutions, if any. Oracle's alternative to Skype is? Apple's is? 3. The problem is VMware and VirtualBox on Ubuntu, not the OS. Vmware links directly to version dependent libraries (even if the number, not the library, changes one has to recompile). VB has not been working well for me. Which is a problem because you don't have the source. 4. There are advantages - in addition to price - to OSS products. There are also advantages to capital-driven-products, be they somewhat open (MS partner driven approach) or more closed (Apple controlled approach). 5. If one considers OSS a religion, their Gods have just lost some of their shine. Hmmm... nice logic here in 5. I gather you're a member of the church of Emacs (St IGNUcius is merely a saint, you know. Not a God). -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best tzaf...@debian.org|| friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: An alternative to Skype
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 08:00:45PM +0300, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote: Or when OpenOffice.org gets abandoned by Oracle, where will you move to? Hmm, maybe LibreOffice? Good question: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/01/oracle_openoffice_apache/ Very funny, indeed. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best tzaf...@debian.org|| friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: An alternative to Skype
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Oracle's alternative to Skype is? Apple's is? Apple's is Facetime, but they've got a *long* way to go before they match Skype for features IMHO. Oh and the whole not running on anything other than an Apple OS thing. Geoff. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
On Sunday 12 June 2011 at 22:24:54 (GMT+2) Oleg Goldshmidt p...@goldshmidt.org wrote: f FSF falls under the anti-boycott law (and I don't know that) then not only must RMS refuse to visit the PA, he (i.e., FSF) must report the request (this is the legal term in the context) to the US authorities. An important point is that one does not need to support the boycott as a matter of policy to break the law, it is enough to co-operate in an individual instance (including by inaction). I too am no lawyer. My guess is that the anti-boycott law has nothing to do with FSF or any other voluntary organization (like what is called amutah in Hebrew), which is what I understand FSF to be. That RMS might be acting illegally in his adherence to a boycott never occured to me, and I don't think he did. Legal prohibitions quite aside, his position was one that should not have been accepted by an organization of Israelis, and indeed it was not. People gullible enough to regard Israel as a criminal state surely have a different take. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
On Jun 12, 2011, at 10:35 PM, Stan Goodman wrote: My guess is that the anti-boycott law has nothing to do with FSF or any other voluntary organization (like what is called amutah in Hebrew), which is what I understand FSF to be. They are a 501 c 3 corporation, which limits prevents them from being involved in political activities that are not related to their purpose. If you are interested, you can find their articles of incorporation at their web site, and the wikipedia has a good write-up about 501 c 3 corporations. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM Making your enemy reliant on software you support is the best revenge. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: An alternative to Skype
Ha ha ha! After writing Skype three times, they agreed to manually reactivate my credits. It's only 2.14 euro, but it's better to have them back in my account. Now I will write them again and ask for a refund. Thanks for the advice! Uri Even-Chen Mobile Phone: +972-50-9007559 E-mail: u...@speedy.net Website: http://www.speedy.net/ On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 23:27, Uri Even-Chen u...@speedy.net wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 17:07, Etzion Bar-Noy eza...@tournament.org.ilwrote: By logging in to their site, you can reactivate your credits. I tried, but they are thieves. I can't reactivate my credits: Reactivate Skype Credit *Your Balance* €0,00 You do not have any Skype Credit to reactivate. Back https://secure.skype.com/account/ Uri Even-Chen Mobile Phone: +972-50-9007559 E-mail: u...@speedy.net Website: http://www.speedy.net/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 22:35, Stan Goodman stan.good...@hashkedim.comwrote: My guess is that the anti-boycott law has nothing to do with FSF or any other voluntary organization (like what is called amutah in Hebrew), which is what I understand FSF to be. As far as I know, there is a law in the USA that prevents people and organizations from boycotting Israel. They are not allowed to refuse to do business with Israel or Israeli organizations or individuals (orgranizations means all kinds of organizations). If the FSF refuses to do business with Israelis, this may be illegal. But Richard Stallman doesn't have to speak in Israeli universities - it is his right to choose where to speak and where not to speak. If they refuse to do business - for example, sell software - with Israelis then it may be illegal according to USA laws. Uri Even-Chen Mobile Phone: +972-50-9007559 E-mail: u...@speedy.net Website: http://www.speedy.net/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
I do not think what he is doing is necessary illegal, especially since he leaves open the option of a 'bidding war', where someone else pays his expenses, but the way he handled this issue is very clumsy and unfortunate. As I had said before, he should have checked with his sponsor before offering to talk, and also when he found out he could not talk in Israel, he should have left the details out and just cited scheduling conflicts or another white lie. Z. 2011/6/12 Uri Even-Chen u...@speedy.net On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 22:35, Stan Goodman stan.good...@hashkedim.comwrote: My guess is that the anti-boycott law has nothing to do with FSF or any other voluntary organization (like what is called amutah in Hebrew), which is what I understand FSF to be. As far as I know, there is a law in the USA that prevents people and organizations from boycotting Israel. They are not allowed to refuse to do business with Israel or Israeli organizations or individuals (orgranizations means all kinds of organizations). If the FSF refuses to do business with Israelis, this may be illegal. But Richard Stallman doesn't have to speak in Israeli universities - it is his right to choose where to speak and where not to speak. If they refuse to do business - for example, sell software - with Israelis then it may be illegal according to USA laws. Uri Even-Chen Mobile Phone: +972-50-9007559 E-mail: u...@speedy.net Website: http://www.speedy.net/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Check out my web site - www.words2u.net ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
