Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
Quoting geoffrey mendelson, from the post of Sun, 12 Jun: On Jun 12, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Uri Even-Chen wrote: I don't agree with you, Geoff. What Richard Stallman does as a private person does not mean the FSF in involved. As a private person Richard Stallman has the right to boycott Israeli institutions and universities. It does not mean that the FSF is boycotting Israel. You can agree or not, it's your opinion. However US law is that once he signs his emails as an officer of the corporation, in this case president, it does. you know, there IS a logical falacy of guilt by association. before you oycot the FSF and the registration office that handled their NGO registration, and the entire govenrment of the country that enploys that registration clerk, and so on, I suggest we stop and call on the FSF spokespeople to give their opinion on the matter and maybe resolve it otherwise. two sideline remarks: 1. As I mentioned in my blog post, I don't see the financial boycott as a problem, and I'm even hoping it started moving something, but I have a real problem with justifying the academic BDS. however after I saw this Item, I wonder what will I do if more and more Universities ד‚?ere proven to act the same: http://www.mako.co.il/news-channel2/Channel-2-Newscast/Article-230c47f2e3f8031004.htm# 2. As usuall, I am suprised how appropriate my random signature comes out :-) -- Peacemaker Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
2011/6/15 Ira Abramov lists-linux...@ira.abramov.org Quoting geoffrey mendelson, from the post of Sun, 12 Jun: On Jun 12, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Uri Even-Chen wrote: I don't agree with you, Geoff. What Richard Stallman does as a private person does not mean the FSF in involved. As a private person Richard Stallman has the right to boycott Israeli institutions and universities. It does not mean that the FSF is boycotting Israel. You can agree or not, it's your opinion. However US law is that once he signs his emails as an officer of the corporation, in this case president, it does. you know, there IS a logical falacy of guilt by association. before you oycot the FSF and the registration office that handled their NGO registration, and the entire govenrment of the country that enploys that registration clerk, and so on, I suggest we stop and call on the FSF spokespeople to give their opinion on the matter and maybe resolve it otherwise. two sideline remarks: 1. As I mentioned in my blog post, I don't see the financial boycott as a problem, and I'm even hoping it started moving something, but I have a real problem with justifying the academic BDS. however after I saw this Item, I wonder what will I do if more and more Universities ד‚?ere proven to act the same: http://www.mako.co.il/news-channel2/Channel-2-Newscast/Article-230c47f2e3f8031004.htm# 2. As usuall, I am suprised how appropriate my random signature comes out :-) -- Peacemaker Ira, I do not know you, but from my experience, people that say they are 'peace makers' usually cause the opposite ... ;-) (e.g. neville chamberlain) Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ On the subject: I wouldn't boycott the FSF. I love the idea behind the FSF, even if I do not agree with everything RMS belives in. I may act differently if the FSF boycotts israel. I will probably not go to any of RMS lectures. I do not think he is anti-Semitic, but he have been at least insensitive. I also believe that leaving the issue in low profile would be best. you may agree or not. this is my opinions. cheers, erez, ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
Are you going to start that discussion again? Everyone said their opinion and nothing new was added for quite a few emails now. Maybe we should just let it die out? Ely 2011/6/15 Erez D erez0...@gmail.com 2011/6/15 Ira Abramov lists-linux...@ira.abramov.org Quoting geoffrey mendelson, from the post of Sun, 12 Jun: On Jun 12, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Uri Even-Chen wrote: I don't agree with you, Geoff. What Richard Stallman does as a private person does not mean the FSF in involved. As a private person Richard Stallman has the right to boycott Israeli institutions and universities. It does not mean that the FSF is boycotting Israel. You can agree or not, it's your opinion. However US law is that once he signs his emails as an officer of the corporation, in this case president, it does. you know, there IS a logical falacy of guilt by association. before you oycot the FSF and the registration office that handled their NGO registration, and the entire govenrment of the country that enploys that registration clerk, and so on, I suggest we stop and call on the FSF spokespeople to give their opinion on the matter and maybe resolve it otherwise. two sideline remarks: 1. As I mentioned in my blog post, I don't see the financial boycott as a problem, and I'm even hoping it started moving something, but I have a real problem with justifying the academic BDS. however after I saw this Item, I wonder what will I do if more and more Universities ד‚?ere proven to act the same: http://www.mako.co.il/news-channel2/Channel-2-Newscast/Article-230c47f2e3f8031004.htm# 2. As usuall, I am suprised how appropriate my random signature comes out :-) -- Peacemaker Ira, I do not know you, but from my experience, people that say they are 'peace makers' usually cause the opposite ... ;-) (e.g. neville chamberlain) Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ On the subject: I wouldn't boycott the FSF. I love the idea behind the FSF, even if I do not agree with everything RMS belives in. I may act differently if the FSF boycotts israel. I will probably not go to any of RMS lectures. I do not think he is anti-Semitic, but he have been at least insensitive. I also believe that leaving the issue in low profile would be best. you may agree or not. this is my opinions. cheers, erez, ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
On Jun 15, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Ira Abramov wrote: you know, there IS a logical falacy of guilt by association. There may be, but there is a clear case here, RMS as president of the FSF has, ex officio (from his office, meaning as the president, not his desk) said that he was boycotting. This makes it FSF policy. I suggest we stop and call on the FSF spokespeople to give their opinion on the matter and maybe resolve it otherwise. They already have, the President of the FSF has said so. As the President of the FSF. Is there anyone more appropriate to be their spokesperson? It's now up to them to say that different or not. This is however, the best vindication of project GNU. You can boycott the FSF, you can sue them, have their nonprofit status revoked, you can burn RMS in effigy, declare him persona non grata in Israel, do anything you want to him and the FSF and still use GPL'ed software for free, and get all the updates and source code for free. To paraphrase the movie My Blue Heaven, This is the worst case scenario of RMS's dream. 2. As usuall, I am suprised how appropriate my random signature comes out :-) -- Peacemaker http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Single_Action_Army Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM Making your enemy reliant on software you support is the best revenge. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
I may act differently if the FSF boycotts israel. Is the FSF not boycotting Israel? I guess it depends on how you see things, but when Stallman signs on a letter as President of the FSF that he will not come to Israel unless it is at a venue that sponsors an anti-Israel boycott, I don't know what more would be required in order to be able to say with confidence that constitutes a boycott of Israel by the FSF. I will probably not go to any of RMS lectures. I do not think he is anti-Semitic, but he have been at least insensitive. Does everybody not realize Stallman was born Jewish? I wonder if the Arabs who are sponsoring his visit realize that. Or maybe since he has declared himself an atheist they are ok with it. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
USB I/O draining my userspace (Ubuntu Natty 64b)
First, an appology. I added another message on the RMS fiasco only to find out later the threads all died out and I was committing a faux pas. my appologies! please ignore I posted it if at all possible. Second, here's my problem: I have here a workstation running an Athlon 3700+, and part of my job is to occasionally write out an image file to USB universal card reader, testing the product of my builds. The writing takes forever (since I haven't discovered how to get dd to write out the sparse image to the CF card sparsely). Also, untill I moved the card reader to one of the backpanel ports, the write would drag my entire environment to a halt at the same time - even the mouse pointer gets stuck at some point, until dd would finish. switching from front to back panel and adding the oflag=dsync option solved the freַ¯ing of the userspace but not the horrible writing speeds. I have a feeling this is a major bug with the USBstorage driver or some related module, but as this is old hardware running on the latest kernel from Ubuntu, I am surprised. Anyone got a clue? Thanks, Ira. -- Fastest gun in the west Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
On Wednesday 15 June 2011 at 15:56:03 (GMT+2) Ira Abramov Lists-Linux- i...@ira.abramov.org wrote: Quoting geoffrey mendelson, from the post of Sun, 12 Jun: On Jun 12, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Uri Even-Chen wrote: I don't agree with you, Geoff. What Richard Stallman does as a private person does not mean the FSF in involved. As a private person Richard Stallman has the right to boycott Israeli institutions and universities. It does not mean that the FSF is boycotting Israel. You can agree or not, it's your opinion. However US law is that once he signs his emails as an officer of the corporation, in this case president, it does. you know, there IS a logical falacy of guilt by association. before you oycot the FSF and the registration office that handled their NGO registration, and the entire govenrment of the country that enploys that registration clerk, and so on, I suggest we stop and call on the FSF spokespeople to give their opinion on the matter and maybe resolve it otherwise. I question that RMS does his lecturing as a private person, and that he is not engaged because of his connection, not to say identification, with FSF. When organizations place posters advertising his talks, surely he is billed as the head if FSF; nothing else makes sense. If that is true, then he is not speaking as a private person, and he (or his spokesman) is not speaking as a private person when giving detailed instructions about the bona fides and anti-Israel attitudes of sponsors and any organizations that might be associated with his engagement, and the kashrut of the hall itself and its owners. No, that is way beyond any fallacy of guilt by association. The fallacy is that he is a private person when he speaks publicly, and can say or do whatever he wants with no blowback on FSF. Full disclosure: I do not favor political boycotts. I also do not favor cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. And I certainly do not favor being dragged by someone else, celeprity though he may be, into a boycott or being identified with one two sideline remarks: 1. As I mentioned in my blog post, I don't see the financial boycott as a problem, and I'm even hoping it started moving something, but I have a real problem with justifying the academic BDS. however after I saw this Item, I wonder what will I do if more and more Universities ד‚?ere proven to act the same: http://www.mako.co.il/news-channel2/Channel-2-Newscast/Article-230c47 f2e3f8031004.htm# -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
On Wednesday 15 June 2011 at 16:18:42 (GMT+2) Erez D erez0...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/6/15 Ira Abramov lists-linux...@ira.abramov.org Quoting geoffrey mendelson, from the post of Sun, 12 Jun: On Jun 12, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Uri Even-Chen wrote: I don't agree with you, Geoff. What Richard Stallman does as a private person does not mean the FSF in involved. As a private person Richard Stallman has the right to boycott Israeli institutions and universities. It does not mean that the FSF is boycotting Israel. You can agree or not, it's your opinion. However US law is that once he signs his emails as an officer of the corporation, in this case president, it does. you know, there IS a logical falacy of guilt by association. before you oycot the FSF and the registration office that handled their NGO registration, and the entire govenrment of the country that enploys that registration clerk, and so on, I suggest we stop and call on the FSF spokespeople to give their opinion on the matter and maybe resolve it otherwise. two sideline remarks: 1. As I mentioned in my blog post, I don't see the financial boycott as a problem, and I'm even hoping it started moving something, but I have a real problem with justifying the academic BDS. however after I saw this Item, I wonder what will I do if more and more Universities ד‚?ere proven to act the same: http://www.mako.co.il/news-channel2/Channel-2-Newscast/Article-230c 47f2e3f8031004.htm# 2. As usuall, I am suprised how appropriate my random signature comes out :-) -- Peacemaker Ira, I do not know you, but from my experience, people that say they are 'peace makers' usually cause the opposite ... ;-) (e.g. neville chamberlain) Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ On the subject: I wouldn't boycott the FSF. I love the idea behind the FSF, even if I do not agree with everything RMS belives in. I may act differently if the FSF boycotts israel. I will probably not go to any of RMS lectures. I do not think he is anti-Semitic, but he have been at least insensitive. I also believe that leaving the issue in low profile would be best. you may agree or not. this is my opinions. Of course he is an anti-Semite. Israel bashing is the modern phase of anti-Semitism. So is Noam Chomsky, for the same reason. cheers, erez, ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: USB I/O draining my userspace (Ubuntu Natty 64b)
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:19:08 +0300 Ira Abramov lists-linux...@ira.abramov.org wrote: First, an appology. I added another message on the RMS fiasco only to find out later the threads all died out and I was committing a faux pas. my appologies! please ignore I posted it if at all possible. It's too late! You've done it now ;-) Second, here's my problem: I have here a workstation running an Athlon 3700+, and part of my job is to occasionally write out an image file to USB universal card reader, testing the product of my builds. The writing takes forever (since I haven't discovered how to get dd to write out the sparse image to the CF card sparsely). Also, untill I moved the card reader to one of the backpanel ports, the write would drag my entire environment to a halt at the same time - even the mouse pointer gets stuck at some point, until dd would finish. switching from front to back panel and adding the oflag=dsync option solved the freַ¯ing of the userspace but not the horrible writing speeds. I do hourly rsyncs between two drives and it often causes my system to bog heavily. I won't speculate on the reason because that topic is apparently as inflammatory as the Stallman's boycott (!) but it does happen. It also happens on my system with dd between disks. System in question is E8400 with Seagate 16M Barracudas with Slackware and 2.6.29.6 kernel. I have seen this behavior in every desktop OS I have tried (NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Slackware, the W word) except for Slamd64 (no longer maintained). I have a feeling this is a major bug with the USBstorage driver or some related module, but as this is old hardware running on the latest kernel from Ubuntu, I am surprised. Anyone got a clue? Thanks, Ira. Are you using the default blocksize for dd? It may not be optimal for your USB device. I wonder if it would be possible to find out what blocksize the device uses and if it would make a difference. I know bs does make a big difference when copying big files to a physical disk. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: USB I/O draining my userspace (Ubuntu Natty 64b)
On Jun 15, 2011, at 4:19 PM, Ira Abramov wrote: Second, here's my problem: I have here a workstation running an Athlon 3700+, and part of my job is to occasionally write out an image file to USB universal card reader, testing the product of my builds. The writing takes forever (since I haven't discovered how to get dd to write out the sparse image to the CF card sparsely). Also, untill I moved the card reader to one of the backpanel ports, the write would drag my entire environment to a halt at the same time - even the mouse pointer gets stuck at some point, until dd would finish. switching from front to back panel and adding the oflag=dsync option solved the freַ¯ing of the userspace but not the horrible writing speeds. I have a feeling this is a major bug with the USBstorage driver or some related module, but as this is old hardware running on the latest kernel from Ubuntu, I am surprised. Anyone got a clue? No. It has to do with how USB is implemented in hardware. Almost every motherboard I have seen only has 2 USB ports. Motherboards with 6 USB ports on the back, and connectors for more on the front of the case still have only 2 USB ports, but they have a hub built into the motherboard. For example, on one system I have: lspci yields: 00:10.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82x UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 62) 00:10.1 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82x UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 62) 00:10.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 65) The third USB controller is a PCI card. Now if you do a lsusb: Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub But I don't have any hubs. They are on the motherboard and the PCI card. So if you plug the keyboard and mouse into the same port as the memory stick, you are doing two things. The first is you are slowing the memory stick down to the speed of the keyboard and mouse, usually 12mbits per second. The second is that you are blocking IO to the keyboard and mouse while the disk is busy. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM Making your enemy reliant on software you support is the best revenge. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: USB I/O draining my userspace (Ubuntu Natty 64b)
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 04:19:08PM +0300, Ira Abramov wrote: First, an appology. I added another message on the RMS fiasco only to find out later the threads all died out and I was committing a faux pas. my appologies! please ignore I posted it if at all possible. Second, here's my problem: I have here a workstation running an Athlon 3700+, and part of my job is to occasionally write out an image file to USB universal card reader, testing the product of my builds. The writing takes forever (since I haven't discovered how to get dd to write out the sparse image to the CF card sparsely). Also, untill I moved the card reader to one of the backpanel ports, the write would drag my entire environment to a halt at the same time - even the mouse pointer gets stuck at some point, until dd would finish. switching from front to back panel and adding the oflag=dsync option solved the freַ¯ing of the userspace but not the horrible writing speeds. Perhaps it uses USB1 and not 2? Can you rmmod all *hci_ucd modules except for ehci_hcd and see what happens? Did you try cp (or cp --sparse=always if you really want to) and see if it helps? I don't know of a similar option for dd. -- Didi ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: USB I/O draining my userspace (Ubuntu Natty 64b)
Quoting Yedidyah Bar-David, from the post of Wed, 15 Jun: Perhaps it uses USB1 and not 2? nope, I had that problem when I accidentally switched ports to a USB1 port, the 22 minute burn took over 113 minutes before I noticed it was still writing and killed it. also, to answer Geoff - nothing else is on the USB, the M/K are on PS/2 connectors. Maybe the same controller chip, but not the same bus or kernel module. at least with oflag=dsync it doesn't get the entire userspace stuck, whatever that does. bs=8M is the next parameter I'll try, or maybe I should go for 32M? Can you rmmod all *hci_ucd modules except for ehci_hcd and see what happens? nope, I assumed Ubuntu would have taken precautions not to insmod anything useless for my hardware... Did you try cp (or cp --sparse=always if you really want to) and see if it helps? I don't know of a similar option for dd. I have here an image with partitions in it, which is why I use DD. cp can't help me, sadly. -- A fetus who made it Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: USB I/O draining my userspace (Ubuntu Natty 64b)
i suggest you trace it. use blktrace. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Ira Abramov lists-linux...@ira.abramov.org wrote: Quoting Yedidyah Bar-David, from the post of Wed, 15 Jun: Perhaps it uses USB1 and not 2? nope, I had that problem when I accidentally switched ports to a USB1 port, the 22 minute burn took over 113 minutes before I noticed it was still writing and killed it. also, to answer Geoff - nothing else is on the USB, the M/K are on PS/2 connectors. Maybe the same controller chip, but not the same bus or kernel module. at least with oflag=dsync it doesn't get the entire userspace stuck, whatever that does. bs=8M is the next parameter I'll try, or maybe I should go for 32M? Can you rmmod all *hci_ucd modules except for ehci_hcd and see what happens? nope, I assumed Ubuntu would have taken precautions not to insmod anything useless for my hardware... Did you try cp (or cp --sparse=always if you really want to) and see if it helps? I don't know of a similar option for dd. I have here an image with partitions in it, which is why I use DD. cp can't help me, sadly. -- A fetus who made it Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: USB I/O draining my userspace (Ubuntu Natty 64b)
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, geoffrey mendelson wrote: No. It has to do with how USB is implemented in hardware. Almost every motherboard I have seen only has 2 USB ports. Motherboards with 6 USB ports on the back, and connectors for more on the front of the case still have only 2 USB ports, but they have a hub built into the motherboard. For example, on one system I have: lspci yields: 00:10.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82x UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 62) 00:10.1 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82x UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 62) 00:10.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 65) The third USB controller is a PCI card. Now if you do a lsusb: Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub But I don't have any hubs. They are on the motherboard and the PCI card. So if you plug the keyboard and mouse into the same port as the memory stick, you are doing two things. This is incorrect. Those hubs you see are virtual root hubs which are merely a way for the linux kernel presents things. Note that the vendor is Linux Foundation. Actually, all your USB ports are connected directly to the host controller, which has (on a typical PC) 6 or more ports. The first is you are slowing the memory stick down to the speed of the keyboard and mouse, usually 12mbits per second. A USB 2.0 high speed hub may be connected to both low/full speed devices and high speed devices at the same time, and the high speed devices will be used at high speed. The second is that you are blocking IO to the keyboard and mouse while the disk is busy. That is not how USB works. The data to/from disk is done in bulk transfer which has lowest priority so it does not block HID data from keyboard or mouse that uses interrupt transfer. On the other hand the small amount of data that the mouse and keyboard generate is unlikely to noticeably reduce the bandwidth available to the disk. -- Matan. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Computer recommendation for Linux server.
Hi Everyone, This is my new address (was *Josh*@*hadassah*.ac.il). I searched the archives and only found a few answers to the same request that I made in 2009. I would appreciate any updated suggestions. The server needs a good RAID 5 card and, if possible, a dual and redundant power supply. The budget is up to 10,000 shekels. The computer should be able to serve 80 - 100 client computers. Thanks, Josh ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
