Photos of RMS dinner
Hello all! Anyone have digital photos of the event and if so where ? If you can email some to me I would appreciate it...:). Any free source advocating website that is willing to carry them ? (I'm willing to put them on my site but 3 visitors per year is not a good idea...:) Cheers, Mark -- Name: Mark Veltzer Title: Research and Development, Meta Ltd. Address: Habikaa 17/3, Kiriat-Sharet, Holon, Gush-Dan, Israel 58495 Phone: +972-03-5508163 Fax: +972-03-5508163 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.veltzer.org OpenSource: CPAN, user: VELTZER, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], url: http://search.cpan.org/author/VELTZER/ Public key: http://www.veltzer.org/ascx/public_key.asc, wwwkeys.pgp.net, 0xC71E5D38 To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Photos of RMS dinner
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Re: Photos of RMS dinner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 bloody kde. What I wanted to say, was that I don't have any pictures, but would be glad to host them if anyone have them, on the penguin. Katriel On Saturday 11 January 2003 20:34, Katriel Traum wrote: http://www.tracking-hackers.com/solutions/kit.tgz Katriel. On Saturday 11 January 2003 16:31, Mark Veltzer wrote: Hello all! Anyone have digital photos of the event and if so where ? If you can email some to me I would appreciate it...:). Any free source advocating website that is willing to carry them ? (I'm willing to put them on my site but 3 visitors per year is not a good idea...:) Cheers, Mark - -- +katrielëúøéàì+ pgp key: traum.org.il/gpg.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+IIHnDWy+Hv/461sRAt/+AKDDdpA+e5qTvE26593D+rZ4FMXwIwCeOqSk CY7ZH3cdwuRw3ZPJVR3vzxs= =rdK3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMS Dinner
http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/pages/ShArtPE.jhtml?itemNo=247510contrassID=2subContrassID=13sbSubContrassID=0 I couldn't find it in the English version of haaretz On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Shaul Karl wrote: 1. http://www.haaretz.co.il. 2. Click near the upper left most corner for the English edition. 2. At the upper selection boxes choose the print edition. 3. At the left most column, possibly at the bottom of the screen (not the page) there is a box to Select Day for Previous Editions. According to the list archive the article was published on Jan 3. 4. According to the list archive the article was published in the Friday Magazine. What I was able to get is a page with the headers, some commercials and a magazine title. Nothing more. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RMS Dinner
Well, thanks to everybody who came. I did not count, but someone did, and there were more than 30 people (34?). It was a little bit too many for an orderly discussion, but I think some self-organization took place somewhere in the middle of the evening, and I hope no one is too angry. Anyone who cares to summarize is welcome to do so. Special thanks to Muli for sharing the organizational effort, and to Shachar who agreed to take RMS to Haifa tomorrow. Once again, apologies for starting a bit late. RMS has had way too many adventures and misfortunes on his way here to list, and some mundane logistics had to be taken care of between his checking into the hotel and our arrival at the restaurant. He told me that he always plans his trips to have 24 hours spare before his scheduled appearance. This was the first time he had about 20 hours or so, and just about everything that could go wrong did. He came to the dinner practically straight from the airport. I would like to personally apologize to everybody for keeping the suspense up (whether or not RMS will come, whether he is at the hotel already, etc) till the very last moment. I hope I took enough care to qualify my statements throughout - I was suspecting I was being fed incomplete and unreliable information by the person who had told the world RMS would be in his care (for those who wonder, IBM - my employer - was not responsible). As it turned out, my suspicions were fully justified. All is well that ends. One amusing question RMS asked me - and asked me to ask the gang - is as follows. Before the trip he was contacted by two women who asked him out, and he is going to go out with both (separately) during his stay here. At least one of the ladies, possibly both, learned of his existence from a recent article in Ha'aretz. RMS says it is the first time this happens to him, and he is very curious *what* was written in that article. If anyone has read the article, do share it with him. I don't read newspapers, so I couldn't help him here. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMS Dinner
Hello Mr. Stallman, IGLU people, On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 11:48:54PM +0200, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Well, thanks to everybody who came. I did not count, but someone did, and there were more than 30 people (34?). It was a little bit too many for an orderly discussion, but I think some self-organization took place somewhere in the middle of the evening, and I hope no one is too angry. Anyone who cares to summarize is welcome to do so. Special thanks to Muli for sharing the organizational effort, and to Shachar who agreed to take RMS to Haifa tomorrow. Once again, apologies for starting a bit late. RMS has had way too many adventures and misfortunes on his way here to list, and some mundane logistics had to be taken care of between his checking into the hotel and our arrival at the restaurant. He told me that he always plans his trips to have 24 hours spare before his scheduled appearance. This was the first time he had about 20 hours or so, and just about everything that could go wrong did. He came to the dinner practically straight from the airport. I would like to personally apologize to everybody for keeping the suspense up (whether or not RMS will come, whether he is at the hotel already, etc) till the very last moment. I hope I took enough care to qualify my statements throughout - I was suspecting I was being fed incomplete and unreliable information by the person who had told the world RMS would be in his care (for those who wonder, IBM - my employer - was not responsible). As it turned out, my suspicions were fully justified. All is well that ends. One amusing question RMS asked me - and asked me to ask the gang - is as follows. Before the trip he was contacted by two women who asked him out, and he is going to go out with both (separately) during his stay here. At least one of the ladies, possibly both, learned of his existence from a recent article in Ha'aretz. RMS says it is the first time this happens to him, and he is very curious *what* was written in that article. If anyone has read the article, do share it with him. I read it through their web site. The paragraph third from the bottom, says (free translation from Hebrew): In his personal website (www.stallman.org), Stallman represents himself as someone who seeks love: (here comes a quite good translation of the first two paragraphs from My Personal Ad in your site.) However, even in his acquaintance ad (probably not the exact word in English) Stallman clarifies what are his priorities in life: (here comes the third paragraph from My Personal Ad) Even if there is room in his heart, it's not clear where he will accommodate his love, considering he lives in the movements' offices. Sorry for the bad English, I hope this helps. Didi I don't read newspapers, so I couldn't help him here. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMS Dinner
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 11:48:54PM +0200, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Special thanks to Muli for sharing the organizational effort, and to Shachar who agreed to take RMS to Haifa tomorrow. No sir, I didn't do much except give my opinion once in a while. I do that quite easily, I have many of them. Thank *you* for getting this thing together. I think that everyone that was there will agree that it was a fascinating evening. I'll write up a summary of today's happenings after I've gotten some sleep. -- Muli Ben-Yehuda my opinions may seem crazy. But they all make sense. Insane sense, but sense nontheless. -- Shlomi Fish on #offtopic. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMS Dinner
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Special thanks to Muli for sharing the organizational effort, and to Shachar who agreed to take RMS to Haifa tomorrow. Hmm, let's see. Miss ~two hours of lectures and gain 1 hour private time with RMS. Besides, I've said before I'm looking to share the long drive with someone. One amusing question RMS asked me - and asked me to ask the gang - is as follows. Before the trip he was contacted by two women who asked him out, and he is going to go out with both (separately) during his stay here. At least one of the ladies, possibly both, learned of his existence from a recent article in Ha'aretz. RMS says it is the first time this happens to him, and he is very curious *what* was written in that article. If anyone has read the article, do share it with him. I think I know the answer. The article had an explicit mention that he has not found his true love yet, and that he is looking for candidates. That usually triggers them. Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMS Dinner
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote about RMS Dinner: ... He told me that he always plans his trips to have 24 hours spare before his scheduled appearance. This was the first time he had about 20 hours or so, and just about everything that could go wrong did. He came to the dinner practically straight from the airport. ... Oleg (and Muli, and whoever was in charge of organizing this dinner) - thanks! But I hope Stallman was not too offended from how us Israelis manhandled him ;) To me it appeared that some of us could not respect the troubles that he has gone through to be at that dinner. This guy goes to a dinner right out of the airport, and instead of letting him relax and eat, and chat a bit, he gets accosted (and in some moments, ganged-up on). At some moments I was even afraid he'll suffocate from all the people who were leaning on his table... With all due respect, Stallman is not our equal, he's our mentor/idol/hero. We all knew him but he knew (almost) none of us. A little more humility was in order, in my opinion. When 30-40 gather in a very small room to honor one very tired guy, he does not really need to shake every one of these people's hands, or pretend like he is trying to learn their name. He does not have to spend 10 minutes on each person answering questions this person might have, especially not questions that offend him, i.e., any question that includes the words open source or linux :) All in all, personally it was very nice for me to see Stallman in person, talking and eating Chumus. I just hope that Stallman was ok with the whole ordeal. One amusing question RMS asked me - and asked me to ask the gang - is as follows. Before the trip he was contacted by two women who asked him out, and he is going to go out with both (separately) during his stay here. At least one of the ladies, possibly both, learned of his existence from a recent article in Ha'aretz. RMS says it is the first time this happens to him, and he is very curious *what* was written in that article. If anyone has read the article, do share it with him. I don't have the link right now, but it was given on linux-il a few days ago; The same article appeared on both haaretz and walla. This was one of the best articles on free software I've seen in a long time in the Israeli media. I think it portrayed Stallman in a very heroic manner, an idealist only after the common good. On the other hand, the article did not white-wash anything, an portrayed Stallman as a man of conviction, who will not sell-out even at the cost of boycotting all proprietary software and fighting every windmill in sight. I heard from some people that Haaretz's depiction of Stallman made them decide that he was a dangerous fundementalist, a pipe dreamer or a raving lunatic, or worse, a communist. For me (and I guess a lot of other people, and probably those two women), it did the exact opposite, and made me think very highly of him (as if I didn't think highly enough of him as it is...). If I remember correctly, the article also mentioned that he was looking for a woman. -- Nadav Har'El| Thursday, Jan 9 2003, 6 Shevat 5763 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |An error? Impossible! My modem is error http://nadav.harel.org.il |correcting. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMS Dinner
Nadav Har'El wrote: Re: RMS Dinner [snip] Oleg (and Muli, and whoever was in charge of organizing this dinner) - thanks! Hear hear. [snip] With all due respect, Stallman is not our equal, he's our mentor/idol/hero. We all knew him but he knew (almost) none of us. A little more humility was in order, in my opinion. When 30-40 gather in a very small room to honor one very tired guy, he does not really need to shake every one of these people's hands, or pretend like he is trying to learn their name. He does not have to spend 10 minutes on each person answering questions this person might have, especially not questions that offend him, i.e., any question that includes the words open source or linux :) The group was reorganizing itself as the evening went on. From time to time a person would move to a different location, generally closer. At the end, it looked much like a congregation, where everybody's eyes were on Richard. It really looked like he was an idol. He's a good speaker, an evangelist to freedom you might say. I think he was happy for the opportunity to have an eager crowd. I would. You can ask him, though. One amusing question RMS asked me - and asked me to ask the gang - is as follows. Before the trip he was contacted by two women who asked him out, and he is going to go out with both (separately) during his stay here. At least one of the ladies, possibly both, learned of his existence from a recent article in Ha'aretz. RMS says it is the first time this happens to him, and he is very curious *what* was written in that article. If anyone has read the article, do share it with him. I don't have the link right now, but it was given on linux-il a few days ago; The same article appeared on both haaretz and walla. This was one of the best articles on free software I've seen in a long time in the Israeli media. I think it portrayed Stallman in a very heroic manner, an idealist only after the common good. On the other hand, the article did not white-wash anything, an portrayed Stallman as a man of conviction, who will not sell-out even at the cost of boycotting all proprietary software and fighting every windmill in sight. I heard from some people that Haaretz's depiction of Stallman made them decide that he was a dangerous fundementalist, a pipe dreamer or a raving lunatic, or worse, a communist. For me (and I guess a lot of other people, and probably those two women), it did the exact opposite, and made me think very highly of him (as if I didn't think highly enough of him as it is...). If I remember correctly, the article also mentioned that he was looking for a woman. I have the article in print. Come tomorrow, I will submit a rough translation. -- Arik = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMS Dinner
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 11:48:54PM +0200, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: One amusing question RMS asked me - and asked me to ask the gang - is as follows. Before the trip he was contacted by two women who asked him out, and he is going to go out with both (separately) during his stay here. At least one of the ladies, possibly both, learned of his existence from a recent article in Ha'aretz. RMS says it is the first time this happens to him, and he is very curious *what* was written in that article. If anyone has read the article, do share it with him. I don't read newspapers, so I couldn't help him here. Perhaps he would be able to get the article online or someone might make a hard copy of it. I couldn't but that could be due to not using IE - I don't know the exact reason, perhaps it is more subtle. Haaretz also claims for phone and other tech support - there is a link on the home page. However it is too late to call them (03-5121133) right now since on week days their latest time is 24:00. Follows the furthest I could reach, do excuse me if those guidelines are too detailed. 1. http://www.haaretz.co.il. 2. Click near the upper left most corner for the English edition. 2. At the upper selection boxes choose the print edition. 3. At the left most column, possibly at the bottom of the screen (not the page) there is a box to Select Day for Previous Editions. According to the list archive the article was published on Jan 3. 4. According to the list archive the article was published in the Friday Magazine. What I was able to get is a page with the headers, some commercials and a magazine title. Nothing more. -- Shaul Karl, [EMAIL PROTECTED] e t = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMS Dinner
Muli Ben-Yehuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No sir, I didn't do much except give my opinion once in a while. I do I think you are being overly modest, my friend. And that's not counting holding the defensive position against over 30 enraged free software enthusiasts waiting for RMS to appear. For almost an hour. All alone, apart from Orna's support... ;-) -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
