Re: [OFFTOPIC] Daily Maily Spam
2008/12/10 Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Looks like maybe someone along the chain to Dotan has mixed up American date format (MM/DD/) with the sane format (DD/MM/). I hate that format! Tbird and OOo _insist_ on using that format and it steers me wrong every time! Do American watches use a HH:SS:MM format?!? I have never heard of a middle-endian format being used in any other context! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
[OFFTOPIC] date format rant (was: Re: [OFFTOPIC] Daily Maily Spam)
On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 16:24 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/12/10 Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Looks like maybe someone along the chain to Dotan has mixed up American date format (MM/DD/) with the sane format (DD/MM/). I hate that format! Tbird and OOo _insist_ on using that format and it steers me wrong every time! Do American watches use a HH:SS:MM format?!? I have never heard of a middle-endian format being used in any other context! Probably remnant from the days dates were written like this: December 10, 1776. Clueless office clerks and/or EDP managers then got this converted into MM-DD-YY. The Japanese system of -MM-DD is the best one. I personally use a modified variety (-MMM-DD which is not ambiguous) whenever I am free to set the date format. --- Omer -- Philip Machanick: caution: if you write code like this, immediately after you are fired the person assigned to maintaining your code after you leave will resign My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Daily Maily Spam
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 04:24:51PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: I hate that format! Tbird and OOo _insist_ on using that format and it steers me wrong every time! Do American watches use a HH:SS:MM format?!? I have never heard of a middle-endian format being used in any other context! It's a left over from manual filing. In the days it was invented, business kept records by month. So the month was more important than the day. Note the date on the top line which came from YOUR email. Since we are being off topic, you should see people's faces when they see my analog 24 hour wrist watch. :-) Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] N3OWJ/4X1GM = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OFFTOPIC] date format rant (was: Re: [OFFTOPIC] Daily Maily Spam)
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 04:36:37PM +0200, Omer Zak wrote: The Japanese system of -MM-DD is the best one. I personally use a modified variety (-MMM-DD which is not ambiguous) whenever I am free to set the date format. However for many years the Japanese used a dating system from the coronation of the current emperor. For all I know they still use it. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] N3OWJ/4X1GM = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Daily Maily Spam
An even more sane format is [YY]YYMMDD{HH[MM[SS]]]. Put it in front of
your filename and the files will be listed not only alphabetically but
chronologically, too.
And Dotan, the middle-endian format for American watches is MM SS HH
(the biggest unit is the last and _not_ the first).
Saba Moshe
On 12/10/08, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/12/10 Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Looks like maybe someone along the chain to Dotan has mixed up
American date format (MM/DD/) with the sane format (DD/MM/).
I hate that format! Tbird and OOo _insist_ on using that format and it
steers me wrong every time! Do American watches use a HH:SS:MM
format?!? I have never heard of a middle-endian format being used in
any other context!
--
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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Re: [OFFTOPIC] Daily Maily Spam
2008/12/10 Saba Moshe [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
An even more sane format is [YY]YYMMDD{HH[MM[SS]]]. Put it in front of
your filename and the files will be listed not only alphabetically but
chronologically, too.
And Dotan, the middle-endian format for American watches is MM SS HH
(the biggest unit is the last and _not_ the first).
Saba Moshe
I actually typed anti-middle-endian but erased it as it sounded too
complicated and precision was not the purpose. But thanks!
--
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي
А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я
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Re: [OFFTOPIC] Daily Maily Spam
Omer Zak wrote: During December (since the anti-spam law came into force), I received so far three E-mail messages from Daily Maily, without giving them permission to continue to E-mail me. If you ever went to one of those free people Computers events, such as Go Linux, you signed an agreement to receive their publication. So it might not be my cup of tea or yours, but neither it is SPAM as the law defines it. Just unsubscribe and AFAIK they'll stop. Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef Chief Coffee Drinker Codefidence Ltd. The code is free, your time isn't.(TM) Web:http://codefidence.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Office: +972-8-9316883 ext. 201 Fax:+972-8-9316885 Mobile: +972-52-8260388 The Doctor: Don't worry, Reinette, just a nightmare. Everyone has nightmares. Even monsters from under the bed have nightmares, don't you, monster? Reinette: What do monsters have nightmares about? The Doctor: Me!
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Daily Maily Spam
Encouraged by advice from few Linux-IL subscribers, I clicked on the unsubscription link provided: https://www.pac.co.il/RmvMails/[EMAIL PROTECTED]dm=DailyMaily (quoted after censoring of my actual E-mail address). I was directed to a form requesting me to fill my details - name, company, phone numbers. The field containing my E-mail address was already filled. This is a bad design - it seems that anyone can unsubscribe anyone else from the mailing list. A simpler unsubscription system would have removed my subscription request as soon as I click on the link from the E-mail message - and if the link was properly hashed, such a system would also not allow other people to unsubscribe him. When clicking on the הסירו אותי button, the unsubscription request was rejected!!! Red stars indicated that I must fill my first name and last name. Fortunately no further details (which I left empty) were required. Only after filling first name and last name fields, and clicking again on the above button, I got confirmation that my unsubscription request was accepted and will be processed within three business days. They indicate that it is possible to get further help in unsubscribing by sending E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Omer On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 23:24 +1100, Arik Baratz wrote: 2008/12/9 Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] Omer Zak wrote: During December (since the anti-spam law came into force), I received so far three E-mail messages from Daily Maily, without giving them permission to continue to E-mail me. If you ever went to one of those free people Computers events, such as Go Linux, you signed an agreement to receive their publication. So it might not be my cup of tea or yours, but neither it is SPAM as the law defines it. Just unsubscribe and AFAIK they'll stop. My experience is that they stop immediately. Mine started when I gave Peli the Tiger my business card after he took my photo. I guess he subscribed me manually so I can see the result... -- Arik -- In civilized societies, captions are as important in movies as soundtracks, professional photography and expert editing. My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Daily Maily Spam
2008/12/9 Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED]: During December (since the anti-spam law came into force), I received so far three E-mail messages from Daily Maily, without giving them permission to continue to E-mail me. Is there anyone who is organizing a group lawsuit against them? At any case, can anyone recommend a guide exactly what evidence to provide and how to sue them? I think that the law goes into effect on January 12. At least, that's what all the spam messages say. On the day, I will start collecting spam and take EVERY SPAM MESSAGE to court. Can someone recommend a lawyer? Also, I have had no luck in contacting the Israel Internet Association is regards to spam that I have recieved from .co.il domains. They never answer my mails. So, where can I turn if I receive Israeli spam after January 12? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Daily Maily Spam
2008/12/9 Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] Omer Zak wrote: During December (since the anti-spam law came into force), I received so far three E-mail messages from Daily Maily, without giving them permission to continue to E-mail me. If you ever went to one of those free people Computers events, such as Go Linux, you signed an agreement to receive their publication. So it might not be my cup of tea or yours, but neither it is SPAM as the law defines it. Just unsubscribe and AFAIK they'll stop. My experience is that they stop immediately. Mine started when I gave Peli the Tiger my business card after he took my photo. I guess he subscribed me manually so I can see the result... -- Arik
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Daily Maily Spam
I think that the law goes into effect on January 12. At least, that's what all the spam messages say. Don't trust spammers. The law went into effect on Decemeber 1st. Any spammer sending any unsolicited mail to you now is violating the law. http://law.co.il/articles/spam/2008/11/12/israeli-anti-spam-law/ (Hebrew) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Daily Maily Spam
2008/12/9 Herouth Maoz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Don't trust spammers. The law went into effect on Decemeber 1st. Any spammer sending any unsolicited mail to you now is violating the law. http://law.co.il/articles/spam/2008/11/12/israeli-anti-spam-law/ (Hebrew) Thank you. I will contact a lawyer. Suggestions welcome. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Daily Maily Spam
2008/12/10 Herouth Maoz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think that the law goes into effect on January 12. At least, that's what all the spam messages say. Don't trust spammers. The law went into effect on Decemeber 1st. Any spammer sending any unsolicited mail to you now is violating the law. Looks like maybe someone along the chain to Dotan has mixed up American date format (MM/DD/) with the sane format (DD/MM/). --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Daily Maily Spam
On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 09:28:42AM +0200, Omer Zak wrote: During December (since the anti-spam law came into force), I received so far three E-mail messages from Daily Maily, without giving them permission to continue to E-mail me. Is there anyone who is organizing a group lawsuit against them? Not anything I know about. At any case, can anyone recommend a guide exactly what evidence to provide and how to sue them? http://isoc.org.il/spam/ (Hebrew). Behatzlacha (Success in Hebrew)! -- Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
