Re: JOB WANTED
Howdie, Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think we just made sure together no sane Linux geek will ever think to work for or with Qlueless in israel... not that it was meant, but that was the result never the mass. I warned OferS from bad Karma and he didn't listen. I guess it's time he faced the music. Oy vey... I see now I just made the ultimate blooper. This was meant as a private email to the auther of the original message but due to the fact I ws sending it from an Internet cafe in Vienne using a Germen interface (and I don't know Germen...) I sent it to the list. Since this is situation I feel the only right thing to do is to explain the situation, so as not to hurt neither me nor Qlusters. I worked for Qlusters 4 months until I quit. Since my departure two more people parted ways with Qlusters. In all cases this had nothing to do with money issues and for the best of my knowledge the financel standing of the companay is VERY well. In this time and age, I think it says something very positive about the company. Having said that, I had major disagreements with the company officials about various subjects, both profesionals and otherwise. I decided then to do the only honorable thing, which was to leave and I did. It is normal for people (be they employees, friends or partners) to have a difference of opinions and no one should make a big deal of that. It so happend that my views were shared by several people that parted ways with Qlusters about now. My email (meant for one of them) simply meant to state that several people leaving a company in a short while, under whatever circumstances, has a cost for the company. This is something I stated to the powers that be there as well and they disagreed. Hence, the email I sent, which again, was supposed to be private. I never meant any harm to qlusters and I wish them all the luck in the world. It's just so happen that it isn't a working place I want to work in nor it seems I am the employee Qlusters is interested in. That's all. Nothing to see here, move on... Gilad. -- Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JOB WANTED
Quoting Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For reasons that shall remain off-topic for this list (this seems to be a good tradition nowadays), I am in the market for a new job. My preferences, inclinations, et caetera can be found at I think we just made sure together no sane Linux geek will ever think to work for or with Qlueless in israel... not that it was meant, but that was the result never the mass. I warned OferS from bad Karma and he didn't listen. I guess it's time he faced the music. Good luck! Gilad. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JOB WANTED
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED], from the post of Tue, 08 Oct: Quoting Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For reasons that shall remain off-topic for this list (this seems to be a good tradition nowadays), I am in the market for a new job. My preferences, inclinations, et caetera can be found at I think we just made sure together no sane Linux geek will ever think to work for or with Qlueless in israel... not that it was Are we starting an Alehoom? For the record I also got to the same conclusion after 4-5 days with Q-less and Dr. Foo, and left there after less than 2 weeks as well. -- Macho Macho Man Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JOB WANTED
On Tue, Oct 08, 2002, Ira Abramov wrote about Re: JOB WANTED: Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED], from the post of Tue, 08 Oct: Quoting Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think we just made sure together no sane Linux geek will ever think to work for or with Qlueless in israel... not that it was Are we starting an Alehoom? For the record I also got to the same conclusion after 4-5 days with Q-less and Dr. Foo, and left there after less than 2 weeks as well. I suggest you take this discussion to a private venue. Most people here probably don't know who Qlueless and Dr. Foo are :) -- Nadav Har'El| Tuesday, Oct 8 2002, 3 Heshvan 5763 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Snowflakes are very fragile, but look http://nadav.harel.org.il |what they can do when they stick together! = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Season for Alehoom on bad employers? (was: Re: JOB WANTED)
On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Ira Abramov wrote: Are we starting an Alehoom? Before starting, or before continuing, bad-mouthing bad employers, may I suggest that the disgruntled employees/former employees think two steps ahead, and consider their own reputation. Unless there was a violation of the Israeli employment laws (and I don't consider work on Saturday with proper compenstaion but without permit from Ministry of Labor as a violation which justifies badmouthing), I would advise the former employee to shut up, and tell his story only in private and only when explicitly asked about the circumstances. This is because walking around with a bit of stench behind one does no good to anyone. Only people, who need to know (such as friends considering employment there and the next employer), should be told about the stinking details. Now, I'll happily contradict what I wrote above! Several years ago, I was married and I was employed. I was not happy with the job I had the time, hence I looked for another job. There was a company called Neve-Zuf (in the settlement of the same name), which looked for people with exactly the professional background, which I had. I sent them my resume (by FAX, which both the company and me had, even at that barbarian era). Mr. Droi from Neve-Zuf liked my resume, and asked to phone-screen me. Since I am deaf, he suggested that my wife mediate between us. But I refused this because my wife at the time was hard-of-hearing and was not familiar with the professional terminology, and might misunderstand some critical phrases to my detriment. I was willing to go to the company for an extra interview in lieu of the phone screening. But he refused this. I sent him a FAX message complaining about the discriminatory behavior which he exhibited. He denied whatever happened. I was never interviewed there, and it is not known to this day whether I would have been qualified for a job in Neve-Zuf or not. So this was a classical discrimination situation. At the time there were no anti-discrimination laws, so my only recurse was to give the story the widest possible publicity. I wonder if the company still exists. I certainly do exist. :-) --- Omer WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why jobs are wanted (was Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!)
On Sun, 6 Oct 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In addition, I would also like to know what is going on because it seems that many people are loosing their job lately. I consider this information on topic as well. Ah, well, there are several reasons: The quarter has just ended, and with it, dire financial results for many companies. Also, many companies have deferred the cutbacks till after the holidays. and there are still people that switch jobs - even if they are a minority. do not immediatly assume that if person X stopped working during an economic depression - then they were fired or the company was closed. cheer up - there are still those that look for new people. you need to have something extra to give them, to get there. if you don't have that something extra - then use the time you're at home to learn and practice that something extra - its better then just sitting at home and feeling bad about your situation. (i;m not talking specifically about you - i've no idea regarding your skills and knowledge - i'm talking in general about job seeking when you seem to be unable to find a job). -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!
In the meanwhile there is less than a job offer/request a week, and the only thing making noise on this list is the people which are again (after it was decided like 3 times already) whine about it. so how about making a linux-il-flame@ and then everyone would be much happier. (beside marc I guess;) Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, Guy Cohen wrote: On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 02:47:26PM +0300, Orna Agmon wrote: I think job offers and job-wanted offers are very much on topic in linux-il, if they are linux related. I don't see how. consider having 200 people fired from whateverbigcompany in a day, now since most of them are linux/unix professionals they are surly subscribe to linux-il. what if 30% of them decide to post a short message to the list saying they want a job? you'll have 50-70 emails for job requests? thats nice. I like tosee that in a technical/political list. It's very constructive to the overall float of information. an alternative would be to open linux-il-jobs. consider doing this because self propaganda is not in place for this list. any btw, I too am looking for jobs but as much as i wanted (and i did) to send my intro to the list, well, I didn't. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!
Will the people on this list who want to shamelessly leach it for their own personal job-searching agenda PLEASE at least give a URL with their resume? I don't think that, given the times, I want to flame the job seekers, but there is really nothing to show my HR department unless you also give a CV. Also, please try to keep it one post per person per previous job. Let's try and keep the noise to a bare minimum without hindering Linux job searches. Shachar Guy Cohen wrote: Well since every one dont give a f*ck about the list and thinks it's their mothers, i want too. HEY... IM LOOKING FOR A JOB CAN YOU HALP ME I DONT CARE IF THATS OFFTOPIC/INAPPROPRIATE/RUDE/WTF I DONT CARE!! I WANT A JOB! will you hire me? And the worst thing is that im the only one who flame them. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!
Guy Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well since every one dont give a f*ck about the list and thinks it's their mothers, i want too. HEY... IM LOOKING FOR A JOB CAN YOU HALP ME I DONT CARE IF THATS OFFTOPIC/INAPPROPRIATE/RUDE/WTF I DONT CARE!! I WANT A JOB! will you hire me? And the worst thing is that im the only one who flame them. IIRC, it has been decided long ago (longer than the archives are kept, I guess, though I have not checked) that postings regarding (linux) jobs - both ways - were acceptable on the list. Suitable employment for linux professionals in Israel definitely is in the interest of promoting Linux in this country, both potential employees and potential employers are known to be subscribed, and thus some useful information can conceivably be passed around. Job-related postings happen rarely enough not to affect S/N adversely. With all due respect to your hurt feelings, the people who lately informed the list they were available for hire (I don't mean just myself) have been here for a **long** time, and generally respect the netiquette. Maybe that's why no one flamed the previous posters. Of course it well may be that I was not flamed yet for the sole reason that people type too slowly... The list is not my (late) mother's - it's Marc's. And I am not offended - I just sincerely think your flame is misguided. Thanks, and apologies to anyone who thinks my posting (and therefore a few others that appeared over the last several weeks) were inappropriate. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = ... Of theoretical physics and programming, programming embodied the greater intellectual challenge. [E.W.Dijkstra, 1930 - 2002.] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!
On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 02:47:26PM +0300, Orna Agmon wrote: I think job offers and job-wanted offers are very much on topic in linux-il, if they are linux related. I don't see how. consider having 200 people fired from whateverbigcompany in a day, now since most of them are linux/unix professionals they are surly subscribe to linux-il. what if 30% of them decide to post a short message to the list saying they want a job? you'll have 50-70 emails for job requests? thats nice. I like to see that in a technical/political list. It's very constructive to the overall float of information. an alternative would be to open linux-il-jobs. consider doing this because self propaganda is not in place for this list. any btw, I too am looking for jobs but as much as i wanted (and i did) to send my intro to the list, well, I didn't. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!
On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 11:58:52AM -, Moshe Zadka wrote: On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, Guy Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the worst thing is that im the only one who flame them. Maybe there's a good reason for you being the only one who flames them. yes. im shameless. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!
On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 02:19:37PM +0300, Guy Cohen wrote: Well since every one dont give a f*ck about the list and thinks it's their mothers, i want too. HEY... IM LOOKING FOR A JOB CAN YOU HALP ME I DONT CARE IF THATS OFFTOPIC/INAPPROPRIATE/RUDE/WTF I DONT CARE!! I WANT A JOB! will you hire me? And the worst thing is that im the only one who flame them. It is my opinion that there was yet not a single looking for a job message that was off topic. In addition, I would also like to know what is going on because it seems that many people are loosing their job lately. I consider this information on topic as well. Of course this is only my opinion. -- http://www.uadm.com | Local and Remote Unix/Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Administration. Security, Phone: +972 3 6201373 | Installations, Support Upgrades. -- Shaul Karl, [EMAIL PROTECTED] e t = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!
On Sun, Oct 06, 2002, Shachar Shemesh wrote about Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!: Will the people on this list who want to shamelessly leach it for their Again, I don't think the phrase shamelessly leach is appropriate here. It was decided that such postings were acceptable. Moreover, as Oleg correctly pointed out, the latest want-ad here were not cases of hit-and-run, where somebody joins the list for the sole purpose of advertising. It couldn't have been more the opposite - all these people, including Oleg, have been subscribed to this list for years and have helped countless of other subscribers. own personal job-searching agenda PLEASE at least give a URL with their resume? Since nobody posted here their job-searching agenda without a CV URL, why do you even bother complaining about this non-issue? -- Nadav Har'El| Sunday, Oct 6 2002, 30 Tishri 5763 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Snowflakes are very fragile, but look http://nadav.harel.org.il |what they can do when they stick together! = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!
On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, Guy Cohen wrote: I don't see how. consider having 200 people fired from whateverbigcompany in a day, now since most of them are linux/unix professionals they are surly subscribe to linux-il. what if 30% of them decide to post a short message to the list saying they want a job? you'll have 50-70 emails for job requests? thats nice. I like tosee that in a technical/political list. It's very constructive to the overall float of information. Then, let them post a short message to the list. I would tolerate getting a burst of 70 job request E-mail messages, once each few months. gI never saw such a burst during all the years in which the Linux-IL mailing list exists. And once the average gets to be 10 job related E-mail messages a week, I am sure that few of the job seekers would be able to spare few hours to add to www.iglu.org.il a mechanism for registering job seekers and for helping employers look for them; and to post to Linux-IL a weekly reminder for people to post their newbie questions to Gnubies-IL; and to use the Web site for their job and/or employee searches. --- Omer WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: job wanted also - NOT - YES!
Guy Cohen wrote: snip I don't see how. consider having 200 people fired from whateverbigcompany in a day, now since most of them are linux/unix professionals they are surly subscribe to linux-il. what if 30% of them decide to post a short message to the list saying they want a job? you'll have 50-70 emails for job requests? thats nice. I like to see that in a technical/political list. It's very constructive to the overall float of information. /snip If that DID happen (and it hasn't--the posts, I mean, not the job losses :( ) then there would be an argument for a linux-il-jobs list. However, I'm sure a lot less people would be exposed to what would be posted there. The nature of mailing lists makes it very easy to skim over the headers and ignore the ones that are of no interest. Thus, a few I am looking for work posts do not bother me. Feel free to post, Guy Martin Polley Technical Communicator http://www.surf-com.com/ (not a Linux shop, sadly) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (+972) (4) 9095-732 Mobile: (053) 864-280 ICQ 15617901 To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!
On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, Guy Cohen wrote: an alternative would be to open linux-il-jobs. consider doing this because self propaganda is not in place for this list. There is il.jobs.resumes , IIRC. It contains mostly spam, though. -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!
Nadav Har'El wrote: On Sun, Oct 06, 2002, Shachar Shemesh wrote about Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!: Will the people on this list who want to shamelessly leach it for their Again, I don't think the phrase shamelessly leach is appropriate here. http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=irony Should have been obvious from the rest of the message. own personal job-searching agenda PLEASE at least give a URL with their resume? Since nobody posted here their job-searching agenda without a CV URL, why do you even bother complaining about this non-issue? Actually, Guy did. I think he wound up doing the worst possible thing, both if you consider job seeking messages a problem (whereas he sent such a message, albeit slightly sarcastic) or not (whereas he sent it without a CV, so no help possible). Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In addition, I would also like to know what is going on because it seems that many people are loosing their job lately. Or quit. The latest several job-seeking leeches have not discussed the reasons. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = ... Of theoretical physics and programming, programming embodied the greater intellectual challenge. [E.W.Dijkstra, 1930 - 2002.] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!
Guy Cohen wrote: Well since every one dont give a f*ck about the list and thinks it's their mothers, i want too. The original posting was short, to the point and on topic. It told me (and anyone who bothered to read it) that a) A respected member of this list is looking for a job. b) A pointer to the CV telling me about this person. c) A certain company just decided to get rid of this person. All 3 pieces of information relevant to the topic of Linux in Israel. HEY... IM LOOKING FOR A JOB CAN YOU HALP ME I DONT CARE IF THATS OFFTOPIC/INAPPROPRIATE/RUDE/WTF I DONT CARE!! I WANT A JOB! will you hire me? If one would have to judge by your communication skills, you should hope that you do not need to walk a mile in the shoes of the original poster. And the worst thing is that im the only one who flame them. Perhaps there is a message there somewhere = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!
Yaacov Fenster - System Engineering Troubleshooting and other miracles [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: c) A certain company just decided to get rid of this person. This piece of information was not in the OP. But thanks for the respected part - I was hoping someone would think so... ;-) People, I am sorry, I did not want to start the first flame war of the week. Now if we could drop this thread then maybe someone could shoot an email to a friend who needs services of a linux hacker? ;-) -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = ... Of theoretical physics and programming, programming embodied the greater intellectual challenge. [E.W.Dijkstra, 1930 - 2002.] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!
On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 04:33:15PM +0300, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 03:24:11PM +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote: own personal job-searching agenda PLEASE at least give a URL with their resume? Since nobody posted here their job-searching agenda without a CV URL, why do you even bother complaining about this non-issue? Actually, one person did - Guy Cohen. Guy, you get 9 for rant value and 7 for style - in the future, don't forget to use 31337 5p34k. 1m 5066Y (mr. hacker at large). 1 4m N0t !00k1n f0r 4 j0b. n1th35 d0 1 5p34k 14m3l33t. well actualy i do look for jobs, not job, but a) if that was understood from my previous email, then i goto refresh my sarcasem skills... or you should... b) thats off topic. no? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!
On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 03:24:11PM +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote:
own personal job-searching agenda PLEASE at least give a URL with their
resume?
Since nobody posted here their job-searching agenda without a CV URL,
why do you even bother complaining about this non-issue?
Actually, one person did - Guy Cohen.
Guy, you get 9 for rant value and 7 for style - in the future, don't
forget to use 31337 5p34k.
ObLinux: here's a nifty script to see who's checking out your CV from
an apache log. It's just thrown together, but it does the job.
#!/bin/bash
# grab people who are looking for my cv
for f in `grep cv $HTTPD_LOG | cut -f 1 -d ' ' | sort | uniq `; do host $f; done
/tmp/cvlookers
# grab ip addresses
awk '/not found/ {print $2}' /tmp/cvlookers | sort
# grab resolved hostname
awk '/domain name pointer/ {print $5}' /tmp/cvlookers | sort
--
Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sctrace strace /bin/foo http://syscalltrack.sf.net/
Quis custodes ipsos custodiet?
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Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Yaacov Fenster - System Engineering Troubleshooting and other miracles [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: c) A certain company just decided to get rid of this person. This piece of information was not in the OP. But thanks for the It was. As an indirect-indirect-pointer, but it was. I hope everything is OK there. Thanks G-d, at least money isn't missing there. -- Eli Marmor [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTO, Founder Netmask (El-Mar) Internet Technologies Ltd. __ Tel.: +972-9-766-1020 8 Yad-Harutzim St. Fax.: +972-9-766-1314 P.O.B. 7004 Mobile: +972-50-23-7338 Kfar-Saba 44641, Israel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!
are we living in the same country as the reporter who wrote this ?? http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-2160334,00.html and i thought things were bad... ;) (i know they are for me) tal. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why jobs are wanted (was Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!)
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In addition, I would also like to know what is going on because it seems that many people are loosing their job lately. I consider this information on topic as well. Ah, well, there are several reasons: The quarter has just ended, and with it, dire financial results for many companies. Also, many companies have deferred the cutbacks till after the holidays. Mine, too. :-( Herouth = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
