Re: Ynet: MoF considers using Linux (probably Mandrake) for desktops
Quoting Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My guess (pure guesswork) is that IBM is the one offering the actual migration. Isn't IBM's preferred distro SuSE? The article at least talks about Mandrake. Herouth = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ynet: MoF considers using Linux (probably Mandrake) for desktops
On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 09:54:21AM +0200, Herouth Maoz wrote: Quoting Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My guess (pure guesswork) is that IBM is the one offering the actual migration. Isn't IBM's preferred distro SuSE? The article at least talks about Mandrake. SuSE and RedHat, according to what I know. However, I imagine that a sufficiently large customer will get whatever their heart desire. Even gentoo (cheap shot, sorry ;-)) Not speaking for big blue, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ the nucleus of linux oscillates my world - [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Ynet: MoF considers using Linux (probably Mandrake) for desktops
On Sunday 14 December 2003 10:25, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 09:54:21AM +0200, Herouth Maoz wrote: Quoting Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My guess (pure guesswork) is that IBM is the one offering the actual migration. Isn't IBM's preferred distro SuSE? The article at least talks about Mandrake. SuSE and RedHat, according to what I know. However, I imagine that a sufficiently large customer will get whatever their heart desire. Even gentoo (cheap shot, sorry ;-)) AFAIK , RedHat, SuSE, Turbolinux and UnitedLinux Doron Not speaking for big blue, Muli = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ynet: MoF considers using Linux (probably Mandrake) for desktops
Herouth Maoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Isn't IBM's preferred distro SuSE? The article at least talks about Mandrake. from the IBM-hat-off-head-speaking-for-myself-only department #include stddisclaimers.h (require 'std-disclaimers) // you get the drift - nothing I write below should be attributed to // my employer AFAIK IBM is officially distribution-agnostic. Major distros get certifications on IBM platforms (as Red Hat did recently - http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/61/34501.html), IBM works with them as partners, etc, but IBM has never preferred SuSE or Red Hat or anything else. You should also distinguish between officially supporting IBM products on this or that platform (check on a case-by-case basis, I would not be surprised if Red Hat and SuSE scored better than other distros based on this criterion, after all they produce advanced servers and enterprise editions) and providing general support services to customers. I imagine IGS (IBM Global Services) will support Mandrake if paid well enough. Hell, they'll do Windows, too... -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ynet: MoF considers using Linux (probably Mandrake) for desktops
On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 10:52:12AM +0200, doron wrote: AFAIK , RedHat, SuSE, Turbolinux and UnitedLinux Reference to IBM supporting the latter three? Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ the nucleus of linux oscillates my world - [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Ynet: MoF considers using Linux (probably Mandrake) for desktops
On Sun, Dec 14, 2003, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote about Re: Ynet: MoF considers using Linux (probably Mandrake) for desktops: On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 09:54:21AM +0200, Herouth Maoz wrote: Quoting Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My guess (pure guesswork) is that IBM is the one offering the actual migration. Isn't IBM's preferred distro SuSE? The article at least talks about Mandrake. SuSE and RedHat, according to what I know. However, I imagine that a sufficiently large customer will get whatever their heart desire. Even gentoo (cheap shot, sorry ;-)) Continuing the parade of people not-speaking-for-IBM: IBM is a (very) big company, and it is not always clear that all its business units have the same preferences when it comes to Linux distributions. This might even make good sense - the distribution-of-choice when it comes to developer's workstations might not be the same as the distribution-of-choice when it comes to server installations. Even more so when it comes to Hebrew support (which is the issue discussed here) - if Mandrake has better Hebrew support (does it?) IBM might try to sell it to Israeli clients, despites Mandrake not being their favorite distribution in otheer areas. As most of you know, all modern Linux distributions basically include the same software packages (with small variations), so the choice is many times based on advantages in specific areas (e.g., which distribution has better out-of-the-box Hebrew support?) or on previous investment (has IBM already spent millions on tweaking Redhat, Suse, or whatever to their specific needs and don't want to repeat that on another distribution)? Also, keep in mind that the situation with Redhat isn't very clear now. Fedora is a good start, but being a seperate organization from Redhat, people will need to see several released made before they trust it (as in we can assume there will be new releases every 6 months, and base our buisness plan on this assumption) as much as they did Red Hat Linux. -- Nadav Har'El| Sunday, Dec 14 2003, 19 Kislev 5764 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Hindsight is always 20:20 http://nadav.harel.org.il | = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ynet: MoF considers using Linux (probably Mandrake) for desktops
14 2003, 12:09,Nadav Har'El: Even more so when it comes to Hebrew support (which is the issue discussed here) - if Mandrake has better Hebrew support (does it?) It does. mostly due to the efforts of several Israeli guys (I won't name names as I'm sure to forget some), Mandrake is AFAIK the most hebrew supporting distro around. If I'm not mistaken, its also the only distro that offers hebrew speaking installer (to some degree). -- Oded To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ynet: MoF considers using Linux (probably Mandrake) for desktops
On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 11:20:51PM +0200, Gil Freund wrote: Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: [snip[ AFAIK IBM is officially distribution-agnostic. Major distros get certifications on IBM platforms (as Red Hat did recently - http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/61/34501.html), IBM works with them as partners, etc, but IBM has never preferred SuSE or Red Hat or anything else. IBM offers binary packages in RPM only, although they are friendly enough for debian's alien to convert without major issues (on netfinity servers) That is such a broad, sweeping statement, that I'm not sure how to respond. Please qualify it as to say *which* products does IBM offer in binary only packages. I'm sure there are some, just as I'm sure there are some that are free software, with everything that entails. IBM is a big company. You should also distinguish between officially supporting IBM products on this or that platform (check on a case-by-case basis, I would not be surprised if Red Hat and SuSE scored better than other distros based on this criterion, after all they produce advanced servers and enterprise editions) and providing general support services to customers. I imagine IGS (IBM Global Services) will support Mandrake if paid well enough. Hell, they'll do Windows, too... But how well will they do it, and do they have the knowledge in house, or do they outsource it? They have the knowledge in house. std disclaimer: I don't get paid nearly enough to be speaking for big blue Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ the nucleus of linux oscillates my world - [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Ynet: MoF considers using Linux (probably Mandrake) for desktops
Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: [snip] That is such a broad, sweeping statement, that I'm not sure how to respond. Please qualify it as to say *which* products does IBM offer in binary only packages. I'm sure there are some, just as I'm sure there are some that are free software, with everything that entails. IBM is a big company. Packages provided in the Netfinity and X series server support download pages. [snip[ They have the knowledge in house. OK, more specifically, I am talking about IGS-Israel, not IBM. std disclaimer: I don't get paid nearly enough to be speaking for big blue Cheers, Muli -- = Gil Freund Sysnet consulting - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sysnet.co.il voice: +972-52-676906 Fax: +972-8-9356026 = = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ynet: MoF considers using Linux (probably Mandrake) for desktops
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-2838038,00.html Before we all cheer along, let's remember that lots of things can go wrong along the way. In fact, I doubt this is, at this stage, anything more than a preliminary idea someone had. I'll also ask anyone else on this list who are in close connections with MoF whether they have heard anything about this move? I want to know how mature is this decision. We all know that some things in this country are published first, and only then decided upon. However this plays out in the end (unless we try and make the switch and fall flat on our face), I'm hoping this will do good to the cause of moving to free software only (or mostly) solutions. My guess (pure guesswork) is that IBM is the one offering the actual migration. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Open Source integration consulting Home page resume - http://www.shemesh.biz/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
