Re: any xfce users out there? can't change display res

2007-03-04 Thread Kerry Mayes

What card is it trying to drive?  As Nick pointed out many cards don't
get probed correctly - e.g. intel bios doesn't keep track of all modes
available and needs a hack installed.

On 04/03/07, Don Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yes.

Found out from neil this afternoon that vesa won't run 24 bit




TinkerToy development.

2007-03-04 Thread John Carter

The idea has been slashdotted.

http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/07/03/04/1555258.shtml

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/web/library/wa-localwebsrv.html?ca=dgr-lnxw01CGI-Best






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Re: any xfce users out there? can't change display res

2007-03-04 Thread Don Gould

Hi Kerry,

Thanks for the effort... the problem is largely sorted now.

http://www.tcn.bowenvale.co.nz/content/view/58/45/

1mb card won't do 1024...  opps, my bad for not even spotting the ram on 
the card.


vesa won't do 24bit.

Neil got 800*600 out of it over the weekend, this will do for now.


Cheers Don

Kerry Mayes wrote:

What card is it trying to drive?  As Nick pointed out many cards don't
get probed correctly - e.g. intel bios doesn't keep track of all modes
available and needs a hack installed.

On 04/03/07, Don Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yes.

Found out from neil this afternoon that vesa won't run 24 bit




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Re: ..workshop Thurs - report

2007-03-04 Thread Rik Tindall

dave wrote:

stringer you forgotthis bit don't you know 

Not as we know it Captain.

:)

pulling head in again.
dave.

On Friday 02 March 2007 16:18, stringer wrote:

At 15:40 2/03/07 +1300, Nick wrote:

Rik Tindall wrote:

1 March Sydenham FreeNix Workshop

went well: 5 Ubuntees, 3 on Fedora.

That's a sustainable range of distro's for us to support.

If there is a Fedora user or two here willing to assist a user for whom
staying with Fedora is the best option (he has a raid array set up
already), then please let us know - for the forwarding of contact
details.

It's all linux Rik.

Yes but not as we know it, Jim er, Nick!


Regards,


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per:
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Earth to Linux-Users.

Cannot decrypt your signal.

Please relanguage the helpfile, and resend.

Repeat, manual is unintelligible.

Please relanguage the helpfile, and resend.

Over.


Re: OpenOffice - replace paragraph marks

2007-03-04 Thread Roy Britten

On 05/03/07, Roger Searle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I find myself having to use Word just to find and replace several dozen
paragraph marks in several documents - represented by the character ^p
in Word.  I can't locate an OpenOffice equivalent, Ian Laurenson's
FindReplace macro doesn't seem to cover this.  Anyone know how to do
this without resorting to windows/word?


Edit - Find  Replace
More Options
Regular expressions
Search for $
Replace with whatever you're replacing the paragraph markers with

or

ctrl-F alt-O alt-X alt-S $ alt-P replacement-text


Re: OpenOffice - replace paragraph marks

2007-03-04 Thread Kerry Mayes

In the help on regular expressions it carefully ignores the $ for
paragraph mark but does have:
^$ for empty paragraphs and
\n for new line characters (shift enter)

The description of \n is a bit confusing too:
Represents a line break that was inserted with the Shift+Enter key
combination. To change a line break into a paragraph break, enter \n
in the Search for and Replace with boxes, and then perform a search
and replace.

I think that also means that if you want to replace with a paragraph
mark you would use \n.

On 05/03/07, Roy Britten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Edit - Find  Replace
More Options
Regular expressions
Search for $
Replace with whatever you're replacing the paragraph markers with



But this is way over my head!

or

ctrl-F alt-O alt-X alt-S $ alt-P replacement-text



Re: OpenOffice - replace paragraph marks

2007-03-04 Thread Roger Searle
Thank you Roy, and Kerry,

My answer, given I wanted to put a few characters immediately before
every instance of a paragraph mark and retain the paragraph mark was to
search for $, and then replace with characters \n.  

Agreed with Kerry's comments that some of the help descriptions are
somewhat unclear, it may well be that Ian's macros do indeed help and I
will put that on my list of things to do.

Kerry, the ctrl+F alt+O line from Roy's reply is the keyboard shortcuts
to perform the task without needing to touch the mouse.  In general (any
application) the alt key plus the underlined character in a dialog box
provides this functionality.



Kerry Mayes wrote:
 In the help on regular expressions it carefully ignores the $ for
 paragraph mark but does have:
 ^$ for empty paragraphs and
 \n for new line characters (shift enter)

 The description of \n is a bit confusing too:
 Represents a line break that was inserted with the Shift+Enter key
 combination. To change a line break into a paragraph break, enter \n
 in the Search for and Replace with boxes, and then perform a search
 and replace.

 I think that also means that if you want to replace with a paragraph
 mark you would use \n.

 On 05/03/07, Roy Britten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Edit - Find  Replace
 More Options
 Regular expressions
 Search for $
 Replace with whatever you're replacing the paragraph markers with


 But this is way over my head!
 or

 ctrl-F alt-O alt-X alt-S $ alt-P replacement-text





Re: How do I find my DHCP IP address?

2007-03-04 Thread Rik Tindall

hi gaby,

Gabriella Turek wrote:

Can't remember where to look for it, obviously not in /etc/hosts...
gaby


which distro?
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Re: How do I find my DHCP IP address?

2007-03-04 Thread Gabriella Turek
SUSE

Rik Tindall wrote:
 hi gaby,
 
 Gabriella Turek wrote:
 Can't remember where to look for it, obviously not in /etc/hosts...
 gaby
 
 which distro?

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Re: How do I find my DHCP IP address?

2007-03-04 Thread Carl Cerecke

From the command line, use ifconfig. eth0 has the address 192.168.0.2




ifconfig

eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:50:8B:D7:74:92
 inet addr:192.168.0.2  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
 inet6 addr: fe80::250:8bff:fed7:7492/64 Scope:Link
 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
 RX packets:587502 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
 TX packets:513349 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
 RX bytes:376122678 (358.6 MiB)  TX bytes:331684284 (316.3 MiB)

loLink encap:Local Loopback
 inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
 RX packets:139005 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
 TX packets:139005 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
 RX bytes:136810938 (130.4 MiB)  TX bytes:136810938 (130.4 MiB)



Cheers,
Carl.

On 05/03/07, Gabriella Turek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Can't remember where to look for it, obviously not in /etc/hosts...
gaby
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Re: How do I find my DHCP IP address?

2007-03-04 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:28:06 +1300
Gabriella Turek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Can't remember where to look for it, obviously not in /etc/hosts...
 gaby
 -- 
 ***
 ** Gabriella Turek   [EMAIL PROTECTED]  **
 ** National Institute of Water  Atmospheric Research (NIWA) **
 ** PO Box 8602 Christchurch New Zealand +64-3-348-8987x3724  **
 ***

/sbin/ipconfig -a



Re: How do I find my DHCP IP address?

2007-03-04 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:41:15 +1300
Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:28:06 +1300
 Gabriella Turek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Can't remember where to look for it, obviously not in /etc/hosts...
  gaby
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  ** PO Box 8602 Christchurch New Zealand +64-3-348-8987x3724  **
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 /sbin/ipconfig -a
B*gger - too much of this mickey stuff!

/sbin/ifconfig -a


Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread Derek Smithies
Hi,
 After years of being a redhat (hatred) fan, and then moving to suse,
I feel the need to make another distro change...

As always in the pre distroy change period, one is required to think about 
what the wish list.

Wants:
=
I want to be able to get any package and install it and run it without too 
many hassles - which means the distro has up to date repositaries.

I want to be able to install and use any codec, so any video sucked of 
youtube, or kids Cd will play just fine. Eric Raymond summed up this codec 
thing in his article on Fedorra:
http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list/2006-March/msg01286.html
(and on that post, many electrons were consumed debating the point)

I want to spend my time using the box to produce sellable product, or 
using the box to watch video. Spending hours maintaining it is tiresome.
Thus, the gentoo forum article
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-313315.html
was interesting, and not a good look for gentoo.

=

Debian?
 Or is that Deviant? I have no desire to spend oodles of time managing my 
system  so it works ok. Spending time managing the box is expensive. You 
see, if the box did not need management - I can write code that earns 
money. And with money - I can buy next years newer/faster/bigger quad cpu 
monster..

Suse:
 - similar issues perhaps to Fedorra - updates did cause problems on 10.0, 
10.1. I run 64 bit boxes, and suse does not seem to handle this well.


Derek.
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Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ph +64 3 365 6485
Web: http://www.indranet-technologies.com/


Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread Robert Fisher
On Monday 05 March 2007 1:50 pm, Derek Smithies wrote:
 Hi,
  After years of being a redhat (hatred) fan, and then moving to suse,
 I feel the need to make another distro change...

I have stuck with Gentoo for our headless server but the other 3 linux boxes 
at home have all gone back to Mepis (after trying SuSE for a while and 
finding it very slow at boot time because it wanted to check repositories 
which were sometimes unavailable).

I think Mepis meets all of your requirements. Certainly meets mine.

Rob


Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread nick
 Hi,
  After years of being a redhat (hatred) fan, and then moving to suse,
 I feel the need to make another distro change...

 As always in the pre distroy change period, one is required to think about
 what the wish list.

 Wants:
 =
 I want to be able to get any package and install it and run it without too
 many hassles - which means the distro has up to date repositaries.


This is hard to achieve on an ongoing basis. Try Arch, gentoo, freebsd if
you want up to date package repositories.


 I want to be able to install and use any codec, so any video sucked of
 youtube, or kids Cd will play just fine. Eric Raymond summed up this codec
 thing in his article on Fedorra:
 http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list/2006-March/msg01286.html
 (and on that post, many electrons were consumed debating the point)


gentoo does fulfil your codec wish, but apparently mepis does too. From
what i hear mepis is ubuntu with:

a. out of the box codecs
b. KDE instead of gnome
c. some of its own quite good config tools.


 I want to spend my time using the box to produce sellable product, or
 using the box to watch video. Spending hours maintaining it is tiresome.
 Thus, the gentoo forum article
 http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-313315.html
 was interesting, and not a good look for gentoo.


A little old, I hear things have got better. For  a quick preview, try
sabayon (live dvd/cd with installer, gentoo system, nicely polished
precompiled system.)

Sorry I keep coming back to gentoo freebsd and arch, with maybe mepis
(although I fear it's ubuntu repositories are getting too old for your up
to date repositories requirement.)



Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Mon, 05 Mar 2007, Derek Smithies wrote:
 Thus, the gentoo forum article
 http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-313315.html
 was interesting, and not a good look for gentoo.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 5:35 am

Two years ago!! That's now totally out of date.

A Gentoo binary install off the install disk, and an emerge of the extra 
packages you need is not exactly a time consuming or brain numbing exercise.

Sabayon is a Gentoo reimplementation which takes the principle to an 
art-form:-
http://www.sabayonlinux.org/

--
CS




Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 15:51:35 +1300
Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Sabayon is a Gentoo reimplementation which takes the principle to an 
 art-form:-
 http://www.sabayonlinux.org/
 
 --
 CS
 
 
Personally, I found it to be a complete pile of poo. Mind you, if people cut up 
sheep and call it art... (:

Steve


Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread Don Gould

My $120.00's worth.


MANDRIVA 2007

I'm starting to like Mandriva 2007 more and more now that I've got all 
the repositaries set up.


Out of the box it was a pig.  If you don't know about PLF then you may 
as well pack up shop and go home...


It did like my wifi card, but so far I haven't been able to make sense 
out of bluetooth.  I've got the driver working, I think, but none of the 
applications.


As it comes from the Redhat farm, you're going to find the move from 
Fedorra easier.


I can't speak for the video codec side of things but I'm happy to do a 
bit of testing if you want to converse.


DEBIAN FARM

This farm means learning about a new package management system - apt.

I liked playing about with Mepis.  Of the current Debian assortment I 
liked this one the best so far.


However it didn't like my wifi card on my laptop which is why I ended up 
with MDV2007 on this machine.


Ubuntu is something you can just keep as far as I'm concerned (sorry 
Rik) my experience with it has done nothing to thrill me.


Debian Sarge - there is a growing number of debian geeks on list and it 
will continue to grow this year as it's what I'm pushing in to the LES 
class and other places.


No idea what the video support is like, but this is an issue that Neil 
and I have been playing with more and more recently.


Derek I'm with you on this support thingo...  personally I find 
maintenance quickest when you've got the best bunch of people to help 
out.  So what ever the most vocal list members are using is often best?



Cheers Don


Derek Smithies wrote:

Hi,
 After years of being a redhat (hatred) fan, and then moving to suse,
I feel the need to make another distro change...

As always in the pre distroy change period, one is required to think about 
what the wish list.


Wants:
=
I want to be able to get any package and install it and run it without too 
many hassles - which means the distro has up to date repositaries.


I want to be able to install and use any codec, so any video sucked of 
youtube, or kids Cd will play just fine. Eric Raymond summed up this codec 
thing in his article on Fedorra:

http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list/2006-March/msg01286.html
(and on that post, many electrons were consumed debating the point)

I want to spend my time using the box to produce sellable product, or 
using the box to watch video. Spending hours maintaining it is tiresome.

Thus, the gentoo forum article
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-313315.html
was interesting, and not a good look for gentoo.

=

Debian?
 Or is that Deviant? I have no desire to spend oodles of time managing my 
system  so it works ok. Spending time managing the box is expensive. You 
see, if the box did not need management - I can write code that earns 
money. And with money - I can buy next years newer/faster/bigger quad cpu 
monster..


Suse:
 - similar issues perhaps to Fedorra - updates did cause problems on 10.0, 
10.1. I run 64 bit boxes, and suse does not seem to handle this well.



Derek.


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www.bowenvale.co.nz - www.hearingbooks.co.nz - www.crra.org.nz - 
www.justhelicopters.co.nz - www.buxtonsquare.co.nz - 
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Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread Rik Tindall

Don Gould wrote:

My $120.00's worth.

MANDRIVA 2007

..so far I haven't been able to make sense 
out of bluetooth.  I've got the driver working, I think, but none of the 
applications.


Ditto. Anyone care to run a klug nite on bluetooth?

I've had one liveCD test success, however - kubuntu.

Ubuntu is something you can just keep as far as I'm concerned (sorry 
Rik) my experience with it has done nothing to thrill me.


That is the point. - Vanilla functionality, less toy. ;-)

Debian Sarge - there is a growing number of debian geeks on list and it 
will continue to grow this year as it's what I'm pushing in to the LES 
class and other places.


See above comment re 'what works'; also, 'knowing what you are talking 
about'.


Derek I'm with you on this support thingo...  personally I find 
maintenance quickest when you've got the best bunch of people to help 
out.  So what ever the most vocal list members are using is often best?


Condition met.

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Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread Don Gould



Rik Tindall wrote:
..so far I haven't been able to make sense out of bluetooth.  I've got 
the driver working, I think, but none of the applications.


Ditto. Anyone care to run a klug nite on bluetooth?


I'd be in.

Chris, do you want to add this to the list of topics people would be 
interested in hearing about?


Anyone on list actually using it?

Cheers Don

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www.bowenvale.co.nz - www.hearingbooks.co.nz - www.crra.org.nz - 
www.justhelicopters.co.nz - www.buxtonsquare.co.nz - 
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Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread Nick Rout

Don Gould wrote:



Rik Tindall wrote:
..so far I haven't been able to make sense out of bluetooth.  I've 
got the driver working, I think, but none of the applications.


Ditto. Anyone care to run a klug nite on bluetooth?


I'd be in.

Chris, do you want to add this to the list of topics people would be 
interested in hearing about?


Anyone on list actually using it?

Cheers Don


Shouldn't we actually find someone who has got it to work first?




Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread Don Gould

Nick Rout wrote:

Shouldn't we actually find someone who has got it to work first?


No.  We should add it to the list of things people are interested in as 
soon as people become interested.


If Rik and I are the only people interested then we know it's not a 
topic, that anyone interested in researching something to talk about, is 
worth the trouble.


If it proves to be something that a bunch of us are interested in, then 
it might encourage a small bunch of us to put more effort into making it 
work and then do a presentation on.


Cheers Don
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www.bowenvale.co.nz - www.hearingbooks.co.nz - www.crra.org.nz - 
www.justhelicopters.co.nz - www.buxtonsquare.co.nz - 
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Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread Robert Fisher
On Monday 05 March 2007 7:43 pm, Don Gould wrote:
 Nick Rout wrote:
  Shouldn't we actually find someone who has got it to work first?

 No.  We should add it to the list of things people are interested in as
 soon as people become interested.

Well if you want to gauge demand then add me to the list of interested people.

Rob


VMWare Server

2007-03-04 Thread Robert Fisher
There is a new version of the free VMWare Server available.

To upgrade can I simply run the installation script ./vmware-install.pl and 
install over my existing installation or should I uninstall the present 
version?

And I suppose I should ask if it is worth upgrading?

Rob


Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread Nick Rout

Robert Fisher wrote:

On Monday 05 March 2007 7:43 pm, Don Gould wrote:
  

Nick Rout wrote:


Shouldn't we actually find someone who has got it to work first?
  

No.  We should add it to the list of things people are interested in as
soon as people become interested.



Well if you want to gauge demand then add me to the list of interested people.

Rob

  

Yes me too. Now to find the expert.

I am hamstrung by a lack of any bluetooth devices, but the info is 
always welcome.


Re: Which distro ?

2007-03-04 Thread Don Gould



Nick Rout wrote:
I am hamstrung by a lack of any bluetooth devices, but the info is 
always welcome.


I've got 3 at present and soon to be 4
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www.bowenvale.co.nz - www.hearingbooks.co.nz - www.crra.org.nz - 
www.justhelicopters.co.nz - www.buxtonsquare.co.nz - 
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