Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points
Fair comment. Assuming there's a terminal free, and the place isn't chocka with Asians. Or do all the ecafes stock Linux CDs too? (Sorry, I don't know... I'm rarely a patron of such establishments.) Yet you know that they are chocka with Asians...? -- Regards, Ben Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] +628111880346
GNU/WIN/Linux SVG edit tool
What tool does one use to edit SVG files? I went looking at the Open CD project but drew a blank. I want a simple one that won't take me a month of Sundays just to learn how to open a file. Cheers Don -- Don Gould www.les.org.nz
Re: OT: Xtra email offline
On Tue 21 Aug 2007 07:54:51 NZST +1200, Nick Rout wrote: Continuing to be OT, but do these changes affect xtra customers who send and receive email through the smtp and pop services operated by xtra? From my reading it is just the webmail that has changed. There may have been more than one change. There is one business in town where email went dead over the weekend. On ringing xtra on Monday morning, the answer was we've changed servers to use ssl, your new hosts and ports are That's for fetching with pop3 and sending via smtp. I forgot what the new host names were, ring and clogg their helpline, they deserve it. The ports were the obvious (pop3s, smtps). Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.
Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points
On 8/21/07, alanw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Chris. So I've got the yellow pages open, and am ringing around. You havn't got it open at the right page. Try 818 in the current book. So, you're saying... try an internet cafe? For downloading? Yes and Yes. Fair comment. Assuming there's a terminal free, and the place isn't chocka with Asians. What's wrong with the Asians? They are harmless - especially when compared to the local ferals, and do have a right to natter to their rellies back home on IM or VoIP. Or do all the ecafes stock Linux CDs too? The one in the Arts Center used to, but he got done over by a gang of the aforementioned ferals, and went out of business. Why don't you just tell us what you want. I'm sure somebody willl either have an image on his/her disc or be prepared to get one for you. If it's on Optus in Sydney you could have had it here in Christchurch less than an hour after your original posting. -- Sincerely etc. Christopher Sawtell
Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points
On Tue 21 Aug 2007 12:07:31 NZST +1200, alanw wrote: I'm trying to compile a list of places in Christchurch where people can get a CD of (any) Linux distribution. What sort of place? There isn't a lot of business sense in keeping stock of distributions because there are too many, they go out of date too fast, and the profit for the shop would be negligible because anyone who can downloads them. Therefore I doubt any business can serve you within an hour. Your best bet would be to post on this list, virtually every reader will be happy to burn you a copy of what they've got. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.
Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points
On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 14:21 +1200, alanw wrote: If I wanted a copy of a Linux distribution, say Mepis, for example, where could I get it, within the hour? Do you hold any stock? Do you want to? Vik :v)
Re: GNU/WIN/Linux SVG edit tool
On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 18:42 +1200, Don Gould wrote: What tool does one use to edit SVG files? I went looking at the Open CD project but drew a blank. I want a simple one that won't take me a month of Sundays just to learn how to open a file. Inkscape. There can be only one :) Vik :v)
Re: GNU/WIN/Linux SVG edit tool
On 8/21/07, Vik Olliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 18:42 +1200, Don Gould wrote: I went looking at the Open CD project but drew a blank. I want a simple one that won't take me a month of Sundays just to learn how to open a file. Inkscape. There can be only one :) On 8/21/07, Vik Olliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 18:42 +1200, Don Gould wrote: I went looking at the Open CD project but drew a blank. I want a simple one that won't take me a month of Sundays just to learn how to open a file. Inkscape. There can be only one :) http://www.inkscape.org/ OTOH, if you are of the other faith, there is Karbon14 which is part of the KDE Koffice suite. http://www.koffice.org/karbon/ I had a quick play with it yesterday and it seemed to work, i.e. I was able to play around with a couple of clipart thingies. I liked to look of the UI. Scribus has some SVG image features. I have not used them very much, but when I did - some time ago now - they worked. The killer features of Scribus is the degree of conformance of the output to the pdf standard - it does, period. http://www.scribus.net/ There is also sodipodi. It's the parent of inkscape, is claimed to be faster and has a user interface which is a closer clone to that of the commercial product it emulates. I found it to be in the Month of Sundays class you mention. -- Sincerely etc. Christopher Sawtell
Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points
Hi You can get Linux from any reasonable bookshop of reasonable sized supermarket for $10.00. You simply don't get to choice of distribution. Each month APC magazine features a Linux distro on the cover DVD. If you need to get started in a hurry, don't have an internet connection and aren't fussy its a good place to start. The library is another place to look if you don't want to spend any money and don't mind an older distro. Choices are linux magazines or look in the OS section of the computer books. All within Christchurch. Regards Graeme Kiyoto-Ward alanw wrote: Thanks Chris, but the point of the exercise is... ah, what would you call it?... get it now? If I wanted a copy of a Linux distribution, say Mepis, for example, where could I get it, within the hour? I can pick up a micro$oft CD from a multitude of places, and have it in my hot little hand, within the hour, because it's everywhere practically. Yet, I can't do that with Linux. Simply because I don't know where to go. Picture someone in Chch on holiday, say, and they don't know anyone here yet. They hear of a new distro they want to try out on their laptop maybe. But they don't have broadband (or it's not working, whatever)... where can they get the CD? Is there a list of places I could point them to? No. I don't even know myself where I'd go. So I've got the yellow pages open, and am ringing around. So far... Harvey Norman is out, no Linux at all. Future plans - none. The Computer Broker used to have Ubuntu for $5 but no longer stock it. Future plans - none. Dick Smith? Old and new versions of Ubuntu - $7 and $9. Get it now?
Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points
Sorry, that should have been... assuming the there's a terminal free. That's the main point. The rest is redundant... and might come across as vaguely white supremacist or something... not my intention. Sorry. Alan Wilkie From: Ben Ford To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points Fair comment. Assuming there's a terminal free, and the place isn't chocka with Asians. Or do all the ecafes stock Linux CDs too? (Sorry, I don't know... I'm rarely a patron of such establishments.) Yet you know that they are chocka with Asians...? -- Regards, Ben Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] +628111880346
Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points
On 21/08/07, alanw wrote: Thanks Chris. So I've got the yellow pages open, and am ringing around. You havn't got it open at the right page. Try 818 in the current book. So, you're saying... try an internet cafe? For downloading? Fair comment. Assuming there's a terminal free, and the place isn't chocka with Asians. What difference does it make if the folks with whom the caf is chocka happen to be Asian? If there are 50 computers and 49 Asians, you can still download what you want, unless you're allergic to people of oriental ethnicity. Yuri
Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points
Vik, No and no. Mepis is just an example. The only one that's worked for me so far. Alan - Original Message - From: Vik Olliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 6:47 PM Subject: Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 14:21 +1200, alanw wrote: If I wanted a copy of a Linux distribution, say Mepis, for example, where could I get it, within the hour? Do you hold any stock? Do you want to? Vik :v)
Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points
In the time since this thread started you could have sent a request to this list and picked up one of any number of the latest distros. To coin a phrase - read my lips - as it has already been mentioned by several others. Ask and ye shall receive. Rob
Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points
Rob, I guess it's a reasonable assumption that I might be interested in a distro... But that's not what I said. Would the hypothetical visitor to Chch automatically know about this list... and sending a request for whatever... or who's lips to read? I assume not. If I need a distro, I will surely ask here... and, faith be, I will receive... ;-) - Original Message - From: Robert Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 8:03 PM Subject: Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points In the time since this thread started you could have sent a request to this list and picked up one of any number of the latest distros. To coin a phrase - read my lips - as it has already been mentioned by several others. Ask and ye shall receive. Rob
Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points
Volker and Chris, Your best bet would be to post on this list, virtually every reader will be happy to burn you a copy of what they've got. Well, that's surely a quick solution for me, because I'm on this list... but it begs the question for the 'hypothetical' visitor to Chch, who may not know about this list.
Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points
On 21/08/07, alanw wrote: I'm trying to compile a list of places in Christchurch where people can get a CD of (any) Linux distribution. The magazine stand of any supermarket or bookstore. Of the 3 or 4 Australian computer magazines available, in any given month at least one of them will have Linux on their cover DVD. Often their is an article inside about this month's distro. Usually about $10. Sometimes the cover disks are at the counter. Yuri
Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points
On 8/21/07, alanw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob, I guess it's a reasonable assumption that I might be interested in a distro... But that's not what I said. Would the hypothetical visitor to Chch automatically know about this list... and sending a request for whatever... or who's lips to read? I assume not. Eh?!? Google knows everything which is public knowledge, and everybody in this activity domain who has a brain knows that as a fact. A search on linux christchurch nz yields the Public Library as the top non sponsored link, and our home page is the top link therein. We are well known. At slack times the Library will allow downloads too. There is a very modest charge they sell the writable CD for a single dollar. If I need a distro, I will surely ask here... and, faith be, I will receive... ;-) - Original Message - From: Robert Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 8:03 PM Subject: Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points In the time since this thread started you could have sent a request to this list and picked up one of any number of the latest distros. To coin a phrase - read my lips - as it has already been mentioned by several others. Ask and ye shall receive. Rob -- Sincerely etc. Christopher Sawtell
Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points
Hi would it make sense for a Lug to set up public servers in the likes of the library's equipped with a cd/dvd burner for library staff to burn a quick copy or two for a nominal fee? That is we supply the hardware and perhaps a method of point'n'klik tm burning? ( web page interface or similar). People wanting a cd could bring in their own blanks or the library could sell them. The server could be configured to auto update / download the latest distro's. Regards Michael
Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points
Graeme Kiyoto-Ward wrote: Hi You can get Linux from any reasonable bookshop of reasonable sized supermarket for $10.00. You simply don't get to choice of distribution. Each month APC magazine features a Linux distro on the cover DVD. If you need to get started in a hurry, don't have an internet connection and aren't fussy its a good place to start. Thats a very good point. The mag covers are a great source (but not always guaranteed to be identical to what you download, ie sometimes a little cut down).
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On 21/08/2007, at 8:18 PM, Graeme Kiyoto-Ward wrote: Hi A copy of APC usually lasts until the end of the month. Also if you don't mind breaking the bank - going over $10.00, $20 opens up the selection of Teach yourself Linux magazines that usually include a distro. Also you start to be able to access the specialist Linux magazines that often include a distro - some for $20, up to $30.00 for Linux Format. A mid sized Magazine shop would pretty much be guaranteed of having something in stock. I like the question though. I hadn't thought about Linux being so available. It made me realise that Linux is much more available than I thought if you know where to look. Can you buy windows at the Airport? Regards Graeme Kiyoto-Ward alanw wrote: Thanks Graeme. Yep, the library and some shops could go on the list... though a Linux CD or DVD would be subject to availability of said magazine or book.
Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points
goldedge wrote: Hi would it make sense for a Lug to set up public servers in the likes of the library's equipped with a cd/dvd burner for library staff to burn a quick copy or two for a nominal fee? That is we supply the hardware and perhaps a method of point'n'klik tm burning? ( web page interface or similar). People wanting a cd could bring in their own blanks or the library could sell them. The server could be configured to auto update / download the latest distro's. Regards Michael What makes you think the city council/library want to provide this service, would allow a computer set up by an unknown purpose, have the bandwidth to replicate the multitude of distros, and the staff to maintain it?
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Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points
Graeme Kiyoto-Ward wrote: The library is another place to look if you don't want to spend any money and don't mind an older distro. Choices are linux magazines or look in the OS section of the computer books. But who has all the recent copies of LXF (Linux Format Mag)? Is it members of this list? I.e. latest issue is 96, one copy on latest issues shelf at central, other 2 copies on loan. 95,94,93, 90, 89, 88, 87 all copies on loan 92,91 one copy on shelf at South (ooh better get down there...) -- Eliot
(slightly ot) Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:14:51 +1200 Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: goldedge wrote: Hi would it make sense for a Lug to set up public servers in the likes of the library's equipped with a cd/dvd burner for library staff to burn a quick copy or two for a nominal fee? That is we supply the hardware and perhaps a method of point'n'klik tm burning? ( web page interface or similar). People wanting a cd could bring in their own blanks or the library could sell them. The server could be configured to auto update / download the latest distro's. Regards Michael What makes you think the city council/library want to provide this service, would allow a computer set up by an unknown purpose, have the bandwidth to replicate the multitude of distros, and the staff to maintain it? Now, if you were talking about providing that service to/via clug, it would be a different matter. And one I would support wholeheartedly - seeing as I'm constantly downloading the latest images... for - ahem - testing purposes officer (: Steve
Re: OT: Xtra email offline (sorry for the non-threaded post)
Look Kim, I hate xtra's attitude and sellout as much as the rest of you, but this post is ( at best bordering on ) FUD $ telnet pop3.xtra.co.nz 110 Trying 124.108.96.66... Connected to pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com. Escape character is '^]'. +OK hello from popgate 2.38.5 on pop103.tnz.mail.aue.yahoo.com $ telnet send.xtra.co.nz 25 Trying 124.108.96.68... Connected to smtp1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com. Escape character is '^]'. 220 smtp103.tnz.mail.aue.yahoo.com ESMTP So insecure, plain old pop3 and smtp services are still running on those servers ( and smtp is running on smtp.xtra.co.nz as well ). No way will anyone in their right mind leave these services running but not running properly. Not even xtra. OK, I'm on ihug so can't actually log in, but... $ egrep 'smtps|pop3s' /etc/services ssmtp 465/tcp smtps # SMTP over SSL pop3s 995/tcp # POP-3 over SSL pop3s 995/udp Looks pretty standard to me. Where's the screw up? It may have been that they've changed the dns entries for the servers - so the biggest problem for our M$ brethres will ahve been fighting with dns - ipconfig /flushdns should fix that. Steve. On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:39:17 +1200 Kim Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Many people have contacted me about this. It has defiantly been an issue. Xtra screwed up big time. The new setting are: pop3.xtra.co.nz port 995 send.xtra.co.nz port 465 From Kim PS. Sorry about the non-threaded post. I was just getting it back out of the other thread. On 21/08/2007, at 6:50 PM, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: On Tue 21 Aug 2007 07:54:51 NZST +1200, Nick Rout wrote: Continuing to be OT, but do these changes affect xtra customers who send and receive email through the smtp and pop services operated by xtra? From my reading it is just the webmail that has changed. There may have been more than one change. There is one business in town where email went dead over the weekend. On ringing xtra on Monday morning, the answer was we've changed servers to use ssl, your new hosts and ports are That's for fetching with pop3 and sending via smtp. I forgot what the new host names were, ring and clogg their helpline, they deserve it. The ports were the obvious (pop3s, smtps). Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.
Re: OT: Xtra email offline (sorry for the non-threaded post)
When I had a look at what used to be xtra webmail (for a customer of mine) it now goes to a site which tells me it is going to set up Yahoo Bubble email and download software to install etc. etc. I did not continue with the process but assume that it means one cannot simply browse to webmail with any computer or OS (as we used to be able to do and can still do with most ISP's) Anyone know any more about this? Rob
Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points
So I take it your not interested then? What makes you think the city council/library want to provide this service, would allow a computer set up by an unknown purpose, have the bandwidth to replicate the multitude of distros, and the staff to maintain it? Regards Michael
Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points
On Tuesday 21 August 2007 21:59, Eliot Blennerhassett wrote: Graeme Kiyoto-Ward wrote: The library is another place to look if you don't want to spend any money and don't mind an older distro. Choices are linux magazines or look in the OS section of the computer books. But who has all the recent copies of LXF (Linux Format Mag)? Is it members of this list? I.e. latest issue is 96, one copy on latest issues shelf at central, other 2 copies on loan. 95,94,93, 90, 89, 88, 87 all copies on loan 92,91 one copy on shelf at South (ooh better get down there...) No one is going to have a sign Linux Distros for Sale in lights at a city mall. The competition is too fierce to allow a commercially acceptable profit margin for Linux discs. The entry barriers into the Linux vendor business are so low that every member of this list could become a vendor. This means that Linux discs are available only on the little known edges of normal commerce. Libraries, eCafes, magazine give-aways, outdated discs in computer retail outlets et al. To date it seems that online vendor is the most successful business model, but here there are serious problems. Competition has forced prices down to the level where an online vendor can only supply discs as a sideline to their main business, or are prepared to run their enterprise as a hobby business like I run Copyleft. A stranger in town is going to find it difficult to pick up a disc, and I would suspect this would apply to any town. Not that I am complaining about competition and low prices of Linux installation media, I consider this to be one of the glories of floss. But we need to recognise there is a downside as well. Phil. -- Philip Charles; 39a Paterson Street, Abbotsford, Dunedin, New Zealand +64 3 488 2818Fax +64 3 488 2875Mobile 027 663 4453 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - personal.[EMAIL PROTECTED] - business I sell GNU/Linux GNU/Hurd CDs DVDs. See http://www.copyleft.co.nz
Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points
Wearing my 'IS Manager for a Council' hat... Aside from the great laugh you'd give the council/library staff, this idea wouldn't be much chop. But, libraries might be open to the idea of a club providing a small display stand, with some information about FOSS and some free distro CD's for people to try, but anything that requires the library staff to provide semi-technical help to members of the public quickly becomes a hot potato. Cheers, Me. On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 21:14 +1200, Nick Rout wrote: goldedge wrote: That is we supply the hardware and perhaps a method of point'n'klik tm burning? ( web page interface or similar). People wanting a cd could bring in their own blanks or the library could sell them. The server could be configured to auto update / download the latest distro's. What makes you think the city council/library want to provide this service, would allow a computer set up by an unknown purpose, have the bandwidth to replicate the multitude of distros, and the staff to maintain it?
Re: OT: MLM cynicism.
On 8/21/07, Ben Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 2 pence... I'm a pom, and I lived in NZ for 18 months Auckland (sorry) and Christchurch. There are a lot of places that I haven't seen in the world, but after living there, I can honestly say that nowhere I've ever been before can touch it. You poor sod. You must have had to live in some pretty rotten holes! I'm in Indonesia at the moment, and if you really want some perspective on how screwed up a country can be I highly suggest you come here (or talk to a South African ;-) ). I thought Mogadishu, Somalia, and Harare, Zimbabwe were the places for an exciting life. You have the benefits of an honest police force, Um, I don't think Arthur Alan Thomas or David Bain would agree with you. At the street level they are pretty good by and large, and they are paid enough to keep them straight. But at higher levels the cops are out of their depth. Ripping off both the Government and other members of society is the latest fad the so called middle classes find entertaining, At the other end of the social scale, shoplifting is endemic, and the laws are ineffective to stop it. I get stopped over here because they think I have money to spare to give them... In comparison to what they have to live on you probably do. In the 8 months I lived in New Brighton and on my travels around the South Island, I was in a traffic jam a grand total of once (when they moved a whole house by truck in Queenstown!), here is just on big jam!! Count your blessings my friend. If the traffic is one big jam at least you can cross the road and get about your neighbourhood without being bowled whenever you try to cross the road! To get to my local shop I have to cross 8 lanes of fast moving traffic. It's not easy I have have come very close to being shunted off the mortal coil more than once. You also have the huge advantage of living in a Moslem country where the social problems caused by alcohol are more or less a non-issue. Count your blessings my friend. If 600-700 skilled people are leaving every week, how many are moving to NZ (honest question, I actually don't know)? A handful. There is a very real skill shortage at the moment. If you can find a tradesman he will want to be paid about the same amount of money as a weeks pension for working for just four or five hours. The grass is always greener and such, but every expat I've ever spoken to has compared NZ favorably with their country or origin. Everywhere has it's problems, but on balance, you guys have one of the finest places in the world to live! Well I have lived here for nearly forty years with a year's break back in the UK. Here's my take on the place. Central Government: The Civil Service was effectively lobotomised during the middle eighties. We are still suffering from this. Everything which used to be done by intelligent and dedicated civil servants is now done by self-serving contractors who really know how to look after themselves. The glide-time play by Roger Hall is still oh so true! Education: The public schools are in a word - hopeless. Effectively just child minding centres. The literacy rate - depending on how it's measured - is something around 75%. There is undeniably a huge tail of people who are seriously lacking in the literacy and numeracy stakes. I have come across people who do not know the difference between a cabbage and a lettuce ( Till operators in the local supermarket ), many people don't know the points of the compass ( Police 'phone operator, others ). Simple mental arithmetic is seemingly beyond most of the population. The call-centre business has boomed mainly because neither the staff of the service companies and organisations, nor the general public can write a letter. Local Government: They all suffer from the problems of using contractors instead of staff to fail to do the dirty work. So it's badly done if at all. OK. So it doesn't sound as if I'm just a total whinge. The hospital and medical system is really pretty good. If you need medical attention you will receive it for free, and it's competent. The care around the edges is a bit rough and ready, hostel, not five star hotel, but that's ok by me. Certainly, if Michael Moore's Sicko film is anything to go by, we are really spoilt in comparison to what the average American has to put up with. The water treatment system here in Christchurch is superb. The benefits and pensions are generous. And the weather's pretty clement. Though I could do with a visit to somewhere a bit warmer right now. Sorry for the rant, back to work for me! :-) Ditto. On 21/08/07, Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/21/07, Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:24:18 +1200 Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Oh for a return to those days when NZ was actually a pretty nice place in which to live. All things are relative. What's the third largest city
Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points
On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 20:16 +1200, alanw wrote: No and no. Mepis is just an example. The only one that's worked for me so far. Linux is meant to be copied. To be shared by the users. That's how it propagates, not through retail stores. Vik :v)
Re: (slightly ot) Re: Christchurch Linux Distribution Points
On Tue, August 21, 2007 10:12 pm, Steve Holdoway wrote: What makes you think the city council/library want to provide this service, would allow a computer set up by an unknown purpose, have the bandwidth to replicate the multitude of distros, and the staff to maintain it? Now, if you were talking about providing that service to/via clug, it would be a different matter. And one I would support wholeheartedly - seeing as I'm constantly downloading the latest images... for - ahem - testing purposes officer (: Steve Where would you set up such a service? Obviously not going to work standalone, need another business to tack on to, like a net cafe or whatever. I don't imagine your boss is going to stand for queues of people at the door clutching $1 coins or wanting to swap a third hand video card for the latest CD :-) Actually trademe often has people advertising linux cd's e.g. http://www.trademe.co.nz/Computers/Software/Operating-systems/Linux/auction-114563184.htm?p=14 Although obviously not necessarily a solution for a traveller, it may be useful for some. It does illustrate the economics of it - the product is roughly the same price as the postage! Talk about carbon costs! -- Nick Rout
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:38:41 +1200 Brenda Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:14:29 Robert Fisher wrote: and it told me my windows installer was out of date gg. Well Win98 is 10 years old now. anyone running a 10 year old linux or bsd kernel? I've got RedHat 9 running here. Not 10 years old, but... Steve pgpwVWUu0vpJs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: Xtra email offline (sorry for the non-threaded post)
Hi Rob, You can still browse webmail as you did in the past but it requires a few more step first. Logging in then clicking mail. I have done the form filling on that signup page. I ignored the software and continued. Using an 'unsupported' browser makes it really easy to avoid. From Kim On 21/08/2007, at 10:24 PM, Robert Fisher wrote: When I had a look at what used to be xtra webmail (for a customer of mine) it now goes to a site which tells me it is going to set up Yahoo Bubble email and download software to install etc. etc. I did not continue with the process but assume that it means one cannot simply browse to webmail with any computer or OS (as we used to be able to do and can still do with most ISP's) Anyone know any more about this? Rob
Re: OT - reading an iso in windows
Robert Fisher wrote: and it told me my windows installer was out of date gg. Well Win98 is 10 years old now. But an app written for win98se should use the win98se installer, what have i missed? Using win98 is a necessity, not a pleasure. I have to rum Pagemaker and my family tree app, also for compatability with some of my contacts. For Linux I still use Mandrake10.2 aka MandrivaLE2005
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On Wed, August 22, 2007 2:07 pm, barry wrote: Robert Fisher wrote: and it told me my windows installer was out of date gg. Well Win98 is 10 years old now. But an app written for win98se should use the win98se installer, what have i missed? Using win98 is a necessity, not a pleasure. I have to rum Pagemaker Have you tried scribus? and my family tree app, have you tried gramps? you can try it from a live CD by the look of it: http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Linux_Genealogy_CD also for compatability with some of my contacts. For Linux I still use Mandrake10.2 aka MandrivaLE2005 Have you tried [k|x]ubuntu? -- Nick Rout
Re: OT - reading an iso in windows
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:42:32 Steve Holdoway wrote: Brenda Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:14:29 Robert Fisher wrote: Well Win98 is 10 years old now. anyone running a 10 year old linux or bsd kernel? I've got RedHat 9 running here. Not 10 years old, but... I found a RH7 running in a RF site on the top of a mountain... do i win?
Re: OT - reading an iso in windows
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:42:58 +1200 Brenda Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:42:32 Steve Holdoway wrote: Brenda Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:14:29 Robert Fisher wrote: Well Win98 is 10 years old now. anyone running a 10 year old linux or bsd kernel? I've got RedHat 9 running here. Not 10 years old, but... I found a RH7 running in a RF site on the top of a mountain... do i win? I have a boxed copy of RedHat 5.2 less than a yard away form me...
Re: OT - reading an iso in windows
On 8/22/07, Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:42:58 +1200 Brenda Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:42:32 Steve Holdoway wrote: Brenda Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:14:29 Robert Fisher wrote: Well Win98 is 10 years old now. anyone running a 10 year old linux or bsd kernel? I've got RedHat 9 running here. Not 10 years old, but... I found a RH7 running in a RF site on the top of a mountain... do i win? I have a boxed copy of RedHat 5.2 less than a yard away form me... And I have a Yggdrasil Linux fall '95 CD, and an ATT 3B2 which ran SYSV-r3 when it worked. Vintage 1986. It died in about 1996, and I must get rid of all my old junk. Sadly, antique computers don't seem to appreciate like old cars do. -- Sincerely etc. Christopher Sawtell
Re: OT - reading an iso in windows
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:55:34 +1200 Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/22/07, Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:42:58 +1200 Brenda Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:42:32 Steve Holdoway wrote: Brenda Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:14:29 Robert Fisher wrote: Well Win98 is 10 years old now. anyone running a 10 year old linux or bsd kernel? I've got RedHat 9 running here. Not 10 years old, but... I found a RH7 running in a RF site on the top of a mountain... do i win? I have a boxed copy of RedHat 5.2 less than a yard away form me... And I have a Yggdrasil Linux fall '95 CD, and an ATT 3B2 which ran SYSV-r3 when it worked. Vintage 1986. It died in about 1996, and I must get rid of all my old junk. Sadly, antique computers don't seem to appreciate like old cars do. -- Sincerely etc. Christopher Sawtell Just checked my CV... looks like I worked on their successors for a short while! Aug 1989 - Dec 1989. Cementation Construction, Boroughbridge. Performed a dual role, as a systems administrator / manager for two Olivetti 3B4's running Unix System V version 3.2. Blimey!
