Clug meeting

2008-10-13 Thread Zane Gilmore
I'm sorry I seem to find myself, yet again, without a speaker for the 
CLUG meeting. However, this time I can't think of anyone to help out.
If there is anyone prepared to give an interesting talk at hideously 
short notice that would be great.


 So it looks like we may have to have a workshop or similar and a cup 
of tea and go home early... sorry.


I will also be on the lookout for someone prepared to put some time in 
as a speaker-arranger. I am finding this a bit more difficult than I 
thought I would (Chris you did very well!)



with apologies,
Zane



Re: Clug meeting

2008-10-13 Thread Christopher Sawtell
2008/10/13 Zane Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I'm sorry I seem to find myself, yet again, without a speaker for the CLUG
 meeting. However, this time I can't think of anyone to help out.
 If there is anyone prepared to give an interesting talk at hideously short
 notice that would be great.

  So it looks like we may have to have a workshop or similar and a cup of tea
 and go home early... sorry.

If we are going to have a fixup session I would be very grateful if
some kind soul could help me to get an OLPC-XO emulation going on my
ThinkPad.
If I install the Sugar emulation from Ubuntu I get a blank X-server
screen. You know, the mottled grey visage. If I attempt to install via
VirtualBox I get a message about needing the 3Dnow instruction
extensions.

 I will also be on the lookout for someone prepared to put some time in as a
 speaker-arranger. I am finding this a bit more difficult than I thought I
 would (Chris you did very well!)

Right now, I just can't take the baton back. Like Zane's, my real life
is sufficiently stressful to make it too difficult. Sometime next year
might be a possibility. I can't say exactly when though, that's in the
lap of the $DEITYs

 with apologies,
Accepted unreservedly.

-- 
Sincerely etc.
Christopher Sawtell


Re: CLUG meeting

2008-10-13 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:27:42 +1300
Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
ok no way can i commit to organising meetings, but i can offer my apalling 
presentation skills at short notice at the moment. 

Skillset is system/database/network admin - from practical rather than 
theoretical experience, and oldschool systems analysis and design. I've spent 
the last 4 years fighting spam. Let me know if i can be of any use and when the 
meeting is... as ever political correctness is not an option (:

Steve
-- 
Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Re: CLUG meeting

2008-10-13 Thread Barry Marchant
Listening to a speaker with practical experience (and horror stories?) 
is more interesting than pure theory Steve.


Anyway the pre meeting meeting at Salas Thai Cuisine is on at 6.00 pm. 
Please let me know so I can make a booking.


Barry
-
Steve Holdoway wrote:

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:27:42 +1300
Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
ok no way can i commit to organising meetings, but i can offer my apalling presentation skills at short notice at the moment. 


Skillset is system/database/network admin - from practical rather than 
theoretical experience, and oldschool systems analysis and design. I've spent 
the last 4 years fighting spam. Let me know if i can be of any use and when the 
meeting is... as ever political correctness is not an option (:

Steve




Re: CLUG meeting

2008-10-13 Thread Roger Searle
it would be a huge shame to not have a few days notice of a presentation 
such as this / by someone such as this - since i would make every effort 
to come along, but almost certainly can't if i only know about it on the 
day / the day before.


Cheers,
Roger


Barry Marchant wrote:
Listening to a speaker with practical experience (and horror stories?) 
is more interesting than pure theory Steve.


Anyway the pre meeting meeting at Salas Thai Cuisine is on at 6.00 pm. 
Please let me know so I can make a booking.


Barry
-
Steve Holdoway wrote:

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:27:42 +1300
Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
ok no way can i commit to organising meetings, but i can offer my 
apalling presentation skills at short notice at the moment.
Skillset is system/database/network admin - from practical rather 
than theoretical experience, and oldschool systems analysis and 
design. I've spent the last 4 years fighting spam. Let me know if i 
can be of any use and when the meeting is... as ever political 
correctness is not an option (:


Steve





Re: CLUG meeting

2008-10-13 Thread Zane Gilmore
Yes Roger,
Again I must apologise. 

I keep finding myself surprised by the start of the month!

Steve, maybe next month would be a better use of your talk and tonight
we can just have a 
fixup session and a chat over a cuppa.

How does that sound?

Zane


-- 

-
Zane Gilmore
Development and Web Infrastructure Team Leader
DDI: 325 9631 Cell:0276 319 206
Crop  Food Research : Mana Kai Rangahau
http://www.crop.cri.nz
--

 On 14/10/2008 at 11:29 a.m., in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Roger Searle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 it would be a huge shame to not have a few days notice of a
presentation 
 such as this / by someone such as this - since i would make every
effort 
 to come along, but almost certainly can't if i only know about it on
the 
 day / the day before.
 
 Cheers,
 Roger
 
 
 Barry Marchant wrote:
 Listening to a speaker with practical experience (and horror
stories?) 
 is more interesting than pure theory Steve.

 Anyway the pre meeting meeting at Salas Thai Cuisine is on at 6.00
pm. 
 Please let me know so I can make a booking.

 Barry
 -
 Steve Holdoway wrote:
 On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:27:42 +1300
 Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [snip]
 ok no way can i commit to organising meetings, but i can offer my 
 apalling presentation skills at short notice at the moment.
 Skillset is system/database/network admin - from practical rather 
 than theoretical experience, and oldschool systems analysis and 
 design. I've spent the last 4 years fighting spam. Let me know if i

 can be of any use and when the meeting is... as ever political 
 correctness is not an option (:

 Steve




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Re: Clug meeting

2008-10-13 Thread Zane Gilmore
I sent this message as the first one didn't seem to come through.
Looks like they had some trouble on the varsity servers.

I just assumed that I hadn't pressed the right button on the email
client at work.

-- 

-
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Crop  Food Research : Mana Kai Rangahau
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 On 13/10/2008 at 9:28 p.m., in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Christopher
Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 2008/10/13 Zane Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I'm sorry I seem to find myself, yet again, without a speaker for
the CLUG
 meeting. However, this time I can't think of anyone to help out.
 If there is anyone prepared to give an interesting talk at hideously
short
 notice that would be great.

  So it looks like we may have to have a workshop or similar and a
cup of tea
 and go home early... sorry.
 
 If we are going to have a fixup session I would be very grateful if
 some kind soul could help me to get an OLPC-XO emulation going on my
 ThinkPad.
 If I install the Sugar emulation from Ubuntu I get a blank X-server
 screen. You know, the mottled grey visage. If I attempt to install
via
 VirtualBox I get a message about needing the 3Dnow instruction
 extensions.

Sounds interesting even if we can't get it going :-)





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Re: CLUG meeting

2008-10-13 Thread Steve Holdoway
OK fine. Get a few topics for next month tonight then?? Can anyone fix my tosh 
so the screensaver doesn't lock the whole screen and the only way forward is to 
remove the battery / restart gdm via an ssh connnection?? Old nvidia + hardy.

7pm start is it? Can someone tape shortie for me then (:

Cheers,

Steve

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:42:12 +1300
Zane Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes Roger,
 Again I must apologise. 
 
 I keep finding myself surprised by the start of the month!
 
 Steve, maybe next month would be a better use of your talk and tonight
 we can just have a 
 fixup session and a chat over a cuppa.
 
 How does that sound?
 
 Zane
 
 
 -- 
 
 -
 Zane Gilmore
 Development and Web Infrastructure Team Leader
 DDI: 325 9631 Cell:0276 319 206
 Crop  Food Research : Mana Kai Rangahau
 http://www.crop.cri.nz
 --
 
  On 14/10/2008 at 11:29 a.m., in message
 [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 Roger Searle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  it would be a huge shame to not have a few days notice of a
 presentation 
  such as this / by someone such as this - since i would make every
 effort 
  to come along, but almost certainly can't if i only know about it on
 the 
  day / the day before.
  
  Cheers,
  Roger
  
  
  Barry Marchant wrote:
  Listening to a speaker with practical experience (and horror
 stories?) 
  is more interesting than pure theory Steve.
 
  Anyway the pre meeting meeting at Salas Thai Cuisine is on at 6.00
 pm. 
  Please let me know so I can make a booking.
 
  Barry
  -
  Steve Holdoway wrote:
  On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:27:42 +1300
  Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  [snip]
  ok no way can i commit to organising meetings, but i can offer my 
  apalling presentation skills at short notice at the moment.
  Skillset is system/database/network admin - from practical rather 
  than theoretical experience, and oldschool systems analysis and 
  design. I've spent the last 4 years fighting spam. Let me know if i
 
  can be of any use and when the meeting is... as ever political 
  correctness is not an option (:
 
  Steve
 
 
 
 
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Re: Clug meeting

2008-10-13 Thread Steve Holdoway
I can bring in a copy of vmware server 2.0.0 x86_64 to save a 450+MB download 
if anyone wants it?? Got 1.0.7 as well - 64 bit .gz too.

Steve
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Re: CLUG meeting

2008-10-13 Thread Christopher Sawtell
7:30pm actually.

On 14/10/2008, Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 OK fine. Get a few topics for next month tonight then?? Can anyone fix my
 tosh so the screensaver doesn't lock the whole screen and the only way
 forward is to remove the battery / restart gdm via an ssh connnection?? Old
 nvidia + hardy.

 7pm start is it? Can someone tape shortie for me then (:

 Cheers,

 Steve

 On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:42:12 +1300
 Zane Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes Roger,
 Again I must apologise.

 I keep finding myself surprised by the start of the month!

 Steve, maybe next month would be a better use of your talk and tonight
 we can just have a
 fixup session and a chat over a cuppa.

 How does that sound?

 Zane


 --

 -
 Zane Gilmore
 Development and Web Infrastructure Team Leader
 DDI: 325 9631 Cell:0276 319 206
 Crop  Food Research : Mana Kai Rangahau
 http://www.crop.cri.nz
 --

  On 14/10/2008 at 11:29 a.m., in message
 [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 Roger Searle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  it would be a huge shame to not have a few days notice of a
 presentation
  such as this / by someone such as this - since i would make every
 effort
  to come along, but almost certainly can't if i only know about it on
 the
  day / the day before.
 
  Cheers,
  Roger
 
 
  Barry Marchant wrote:
  Listening to a speaker with practical experience (and horror
 stories?)
  is more interesting than pure theory Steve.
 
  Anyway the pre meeting meeting at Salas Thai Cuisine is on at 6.00
 pm.
  Please let me know so I can make a booking.
 
  Barry
  -
  Steve Holdoway wrote:
  On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:27:42 +1300
  Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  [snip]
  ok no way can i commit to organising meetings, but i can offer my
  apalling presentation skills at short notice at the moment.
  Skillset is system/database/network admin - from practical rather
  than theoretical experience, and oldschool systems analysis and
  design. I've spent the last 4 years fighting spam. Let me know if i

  can be of any use and when the meeting is... as ever political
  correctness is not an option (:
 
  Steve
 
 


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-- 
Sincerely etc.
Christopher Sawtell


Re: Clug meeting

2008-10-13 Thread Christopher Sawtell
Does it emulate the 3Dnow instructions?
 If so I'd be very grateful.

On 14/10/2008, Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I can bring in a copy of vmware server 2.0.0 x86_64 to save a 450+MB
 download if anyone wants it?? Got 1.0.7 as well - 64 bit .gz too.

 Steve
 --
 Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED]



-- 
Sincerely etc.
Christopher Sawtell


Re: Clug meeting

2008-10-13 Thread Nick Rout
Usually better to get it from your distro's repositories of course!

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Christopher Sawtell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Does it emulate the 3Dnow instructions?
  If so I'd be very grateful.

 On 14/10/2008, Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I can bring in a copy of vmware server 2.0.0 x86_64 to save a 450+MB
 download if anyone wants it?? Got 1.0.7 as well - 64 bit .gz too.

 Steve
 --
 Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 --
 Sincerely etc.
 Christopher Sawtell



Re: Clug meeting

2008-10-13 Thread Christopher Sawtell
Um well, I have done that for everything so far, but now have hit a
show stopper.

I am now somewhat more than just slightly disappointed and
disenchanted by the ability of the *ubuntu folks to keep their archive
of binaries up to date.

It's Sabayon Professional next time.

On 14/10/2008, Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Usually better to get it from your distro's repositories of course!

 On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Christopher Sawtell
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Does it emulate the 3Dnow instructions?
  If so I'd be very grateful.

 On 14/10/2008, Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I can bring in a copy of vmware server 2.0.0 x86_64 to save a 450+MB
 download if anyone wants it?? Got 1.0.7 as well - 64 bit .gz too.

 Steve
 --
 Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 --
 Sincerely etc.
 Christopher Sawtell




-- 
Sincerely etc.
Christopher Sawtell


Re: CLUG meeting

2008-10-13 Thread Wesley Parish
Actually, listening to the theorists argue tends to be a bit of a blood sport
for techies!

I'm in - as always - for Salas Thai Cuisine.

Wesley Parish

Quoting Barry Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Listening to a speaker with practical experience (and horror stories?) 
 is more interesting than pure theory Steve.
 
 Anyway the pre meeting meeting at Salas Thai Cuisine is on at 6.00 pm. 
 Please let me know so I can make a booking.
 
 Barry
 -
 Steve Holdoway wrote:
  On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:27:42 +1300
  Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  [snip]
  ok no way can i commit to organising meetings, but i can offer my
 apalling presentation skills at short notice at the moment. 
  
  Skillset is system/database/network admin - from practical rather than
 theoretical experience, and oldschool systems analysis and design. I've
 spent the last 4 years fighting spam. Let me know if i can be of any use
 and when the meeting is... as ever political correctness is not an
 option (:
  
  Steve
  



Sharpened hands are happy hands.
Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands 
- A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge

I me.  Shape middled me.  I would come out into hot! 
I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the 
other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press


Re: Clug meeting

2008-10-13 Thread Steve Holdoway
As I use it (intentionally) on both debian and redhat - based platforms, it 
makes more sense for me to install from tgz.

I was only offering to save a 450MB download, not start a flame war (:

Steve

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:01:12 +1300
Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Um well, I have done that for everything so far, but now have hit a
 show stopper.
 
 I am now somewhat more than just slightly disappointed and
 disenchanted by the ability of the *ubuntu folks to keep their archive
 of binaries up to date.
 
 It's Sabayon Professional next time.
 
 On 14/10/2008, Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Usually better to get it from your distro's repositories of course!
 
  On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Christopher Sawtell
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Does it emulate the 3Dnow instructions?
   If so I'd be very grateful.
 
  On 14/10/2008, Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I can bring in a copy of vmware server 2.0.0 x86_64 to save a 450+MB
  download if anyone wants it?? Got 1.0.7 as well - 64 bit .gz too.
 
  Steve
  --
  Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 
  --
  Sincerely etc.
  Christopher Sawtell
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 Sincerely etc.
 Christopher Sawtell


-- 
Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED]


ftgh printer...

2008-10-13 Thread Steve Holdoway
OK, it's old, it's big, and I haven't even switched it on for 6 months. But 
it's *guranteed* to work with linux!

HP Laserjet 4+. Comes with JD (10mbit) interface, spare toner and fuser, and I 
think I've got an extra huge ( 1000 sheet?? ) document silo to go underneath it.

I was donated this when they started printing wrongly in a windows network in 
Rotterdam. I fixed this by upgrading the firmware, but don't tell anyone. Only 
problem is that the buttons/menu is in Dutch.

Get that good ole toner high for the same price I paid for it... gratis. Can 
bring along tonight. Don't recommend taking it home on the back of a bike (:

Steve
-- 
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Re: Clug meeting

2008-10-13 Thread Roger Searle
not sure that it's available in (k)ubuntu repositories, is it?  i try to 
follow this advice where possible, however adept doesn't show any 
relevant results searching for vmware. 

downloading the tar.gz, untarring and running the installer Just Worked 
for me the other week at home (i can't resist).  i'm really liking the 
changes in v2 over v1.4,  none of the any-any-any runaround stuff (well, 
right now anyway), just press enter a few times, agree to a license, 
tell it where the virtual machines are stored, type in a key etc, when 
the cli excitement is over, fire up your browser.  yes, browser.


5 minute learning curve.  plenty of additional functionality to 
explore.  i'd be a little more specific if i had it going here, once i 
sort out logging on as a different user, i will do. if you're still on 
1.4, i'd recommend you take a look.


maybe showing it off could be a 5 minute demo, steve?

Cheers,
Roger


Nick Rout wrote:

Usually better to get it from your distro's repositories of course!

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Christopher Sawtell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Does it emulate the 3Dnow instructions?
 If so I'd be very grateful.

On 14/10/2008, Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I can bring in a copy of vmware server 2.0.0 x86_64 to save a 450+MB
download if anyone wants it?? Got 1.0.7 as well - 64 bit .gz too.

Steve
--
Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  

--
Sincerely etc.
Christopher Sawtell




  


Re: CLUG meeting

2008-10-13 Thread Roger Searle
sorry zane my email was not directed personally at you - only a desire 
to not miss out . . .


the wluggers have a bot sending out reminders of meetings - how have 
they done that? and why aren't we?




Zane Gilmore wrote:

Yes Roger,
Again I must apologise. 


I keep finding myself surprised by the start of the month!

Steve, maybe next month would be a better use of your talk and tonight
we can just have a 
fixup session and a chat over a cuppa.


How does that sound?

Zane


  


Re: Clug meeting

2008-10-13 Thread Steve Holdoway
I'll install it somewhere if you want to demo it! All I did was upgrade my 
existing install - haven't played with it at all...

Steve

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:30:18 +1300
Roger Searle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 not sure that it's available in (k)ubuntu repositories, is it?  i try to 
 follow this advice where possible, however adept doesn't show any 
 relevant results searching for vmware. 
 
 downloading the tar.gz, untarring and running the installer Just Worked 
 for me the other week at home (i can't resist).  i'm really liking the 
 changes in v2 over v1.4,  none of the any-any-any runaround stuff (well, 
 right now anyway), just press enter a few times, agree to a license, 
 tell it where the virtual machines are stored, type in a key etc, when 
 the cli excitement is over, fire up your browser.  yes, browser.
 
 5 minute learning curve.  plenty of additional functionality to 
 explore.  i'd be a little more specific if i had it going here, once i 
 sort out logging on as a different user, i will do. if you're still on 
 1.4, i'd recommend you take a look.
 
 maybe showing it off could be a 5 minute demo, steve?
 
 Cheers,
 Roger
  
 
 Nick Rout wrote:
  Usually better to get it from your distro's repositories of course!
 
  On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Christopher Sawtell
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Does it emulate the 3Dnow instructions?
   If so I'd be very grateful.
 
  On 14/10/2008, Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  I can bring in a copy of vmware server 2.0.0 x86_64 to save a 450+MB
  download if anyone wants it?? Got 1.0.7 as well - 64 bit .gz too.
 
  Steve
  --
  Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

  --
  Sincerely etc.
  Christopher Sawtell
 
  
 



-- 
Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Re: Clug meeting olpc

2008-10-13 Thread goldedge

Hi Christopher,
a quick net search seems to indicate that the 3dnow instruction set has 
been supported by bochs for some time? You may need to compile support in?


This page from ibm about olpc and quemu may help?

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-sugar-olpc/index.html

Ubuntu 7.04 may work better for this application than 8.04?

How about CentOS? It seems to be very stable.

Or perhaps Debian?

Whats the strength of Sabyon?

Additional info link. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OS_images_for_emulation

Regards
Michael




2008/10/13 Zane Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

I'm sorry I seem to find myself, yet again, without a speaker for the CLUG
meeting. However, this time I can't think of anyone to help out.
If there is anyone prepared to give an interesting talk at hideously short
notice that would be great.

 So it looks like we may have to have a workshop or similar and a cup of tea
and go home early... sorry.


If we are going to have a fixup session I would be very grateful if
some kind soul could help me to get an OLPC-XO emulation going on my
ThinkPad.
If I install the Sugar emulation from Ubuntu I get a blank X-server
screen. You know, the mottled grey visage. If I attempt to install via
VirtualBox I get a message about needing the 3Dnow instruction
extensions.


I will also be on the lookout for someone prepared to put some time in as a
speaker-arranger. I am finding this a bit more difficult than I thought I
would (Chris you did very well!)


Right now, I just can't take the baton back. Like Zane's, my real life
is sufficiently stressful to make it too difficult. Sometime next year
might be a possibility. I can't say exactly when though, that's in the
lap of the $DEITYs


with apologies,

Accepted unreservedly.





Re: CLUG meeting

2008-10-13 Thread Nick Rout
When i ran the meetings I simply sent a reminder to the list a week in
advance, or when I remembered.

If you want to do something with regularity, man cron is your friend.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Roger Searle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 sorry zane my email was not directed personally at you - only a desire to
 not miss out . . .

 the wluggers have a bot sending out reminders of meetings - how have they
 done that? and why aren't we?



 Zane Gilmore wrote:

 Yes Roger,
 Again I must apologise.
 I keep finding myself surprised by the start of the month!

 Steve, maybe next month would be a better use of your talk and tonight
 we can just have a fixup session and a chat over a cuppa.

 How does that sound?

 Zane






Re: ftgh printer...

2008-10-13 Thread David Lowe
Cluggers, sorry I wont be able to make it this time around. I have enjoyed
the meetings this year and hope you can come up with a presentation 
reminder system that works.

One small suggestion FWIW - Steve's email reminded me of an old idea that
might be worth resurrecting at occasional CLUG meetings - the concept of a
'swap meet' - i.e. bring along junk or stuff for sale and see what happens.
Could be a good way of filling an otherwise empty speaking slot once or
twice a year.

my 1.4c

- David



On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 OK, it's old, it's big, and I haven't even switched it on for 6 months. But
 it's *guranteed* to work with linux!

 HP Laserjet 4+. Comes with JD (10mbit) interface, spare toner and fuser,
 and I think I've got an extra huge ( 1000 sheet?? ) document silo to go
 underneath it.

 I was donated this when they started printing wrongly in a windows network
 in Rotterdam. I fixed this by upgrading the firmware, but don't tell anyone.
 Only problem is that the buttons/menu is in Dutch.

 Get that good ole toner high for the same price I paid for it... gratis.
 Can bring along tonight. Don't recommend taking it home on the back of a
 bike (:

 Steve
 --
 Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: CLUG meeting

2008-10-13 Thread Derek Smithies

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008, Nick Rout wrote:


rant
There seems to be a dearth of people stepping up to the mark to talk
about anything. Where are the commercial linux users in ChCh telling
us about how they are helping to change the world?
/rant


As always, well spoken.
Nick, I appreciate the way you can express something that gets you 
annoyed. Indeed - some might argue it was so well put the rant symbols 
were not required.


I have done a couple of talks now, and am willing to do more talks as 
required. I could tell you about the minstrel rate algorithm, which 
Indranet Technologies has sponsored me to do for wireless networks. 
Minstrel is an adaptive rate algorithm (for 802.11 networks) that is far 
superior to anything else. It picks the optimum speed for sending packets 
between two radio nodes. I am told it is now in the kernel - 2.6.28. There 
is an impromptu talk I could do - no power points etc - just me talking.


Will it change the world?
It will change the world of linux 802.11 radio networks. You see,
  * minstrel is superior to the commercial/proprietary rate algorithm
  supplied by atheros.
  * minstrel is the default rate algorithm in openwrt.
  * of the various people I am aware of using atheros radios and  doing
  adhoc networking with madwifi - all are using minstrel
  * minstrel now works with bc43, ath5k and the p54 drivers.
  * Felix Fietkau, who ported minstrel from madwifi to the kernel, is
 confident it will overtake PID (current algorithm) in weeks..

Derek.
  -- 
Derek Smithies Ph.D.

IndraNet Technologies Ltd.
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ph +64 3 365 6485
Web: http://www.indranet-technologies.com/


new thread

2008-10-13 Thread chris

at this juncture, Can I ask what the support on laptops is like for
Sabyon

I have found 8.04 Ubuntu very good.  the only thing it does not support
is the finger print reader on my HP nw9940.
which I frankly would not expect.
How ever it does seem to have gotten a bit bulky if I can put it that
way.

regards chris T

On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 13:57 +1300, goldedge wrote:
 Hi Christopher,
 a quick net search seems to indicate that the 3dnow instruction set has 
 been supported by bochs for some time? You may need to compile support in?
 
 This page from ibm about olpc and quemu may help?
 
 http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-sugar-olpc/index.html
 
 Ubuntu 7.04 may work better for this application than 8.04?
 
 How about CentOS? It seems to be very stable.
 
 Or perhaps Debian?
 
 Whats the strength of Sabyon?
 
 Additional info link. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OS_images_for_emulation
 
 Regards
 Michael
 
 
 
  2008/10/13 Zane Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  I'm sorry I seem to find myself, yet again, without a speaker for the CLUG
  meeting. However, this time I can't think of anyone to help out.
  If there is anyone prepared to give an interesting talk at hideously short
  notice that would be great.
 
   So it looks like we may have to have a workshop or similar and a cup of 
  tea
  and go home early... sorry.
  
  If we are going to have a fixup session I would be very grateful if
  some kind soul could help me to get an OLPC-XO emulation going on my
  ThinkPad.
  If I install the Sugar emulation from Ubuntu I get a blank X-server
  screen. You know, the mottled grey visage. If I attempt to install via
  VirtualBox I get a message about needing the 3Dnow instruction
  extensions.
  
  I will also be on the lookout for someone prepared to put some time in as a
  speaker-arranger. I am finding this a bit more difficult than I thought I
  would (Chris you did very well!)
  
  Right now, I just can't take the baton back. Like Zane's, my real life
  is sufficiently stressful to make it too difficult. Sometime next year
  might be a possibility. I can't say exactly when though, that's in the
  lap of the $DEITYs
  
  with apologies,
  Accepted unreservedly.
  
 



Re: Clug meeting

2008-10-13 Thread Roger Searle
ummm...  i guess i could put something together - it will be brief, i 
certainly don't count myself as an expert, and probably wouldn't be able 
to offer authoritative answers to good questions.  or even bad ones.  
but i'll give it a go . . .


since really i'm usually the question asker and learner from list 
messages, rather than the provider of answers and solutions, and still 
have so much to learn (and not enough hours in the day) perhaps others 
would be prepared to show off something small they have learnt to use in 
5 minutes at the start of other meeting talks?


Roger



Steve Holdoway wrote:

I'll install it somewhere if you want to demo it! All I did was upgrade my 
existing install - haven't played with it at all...

Steve

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:30:18 +1300
Roger Searle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
not sure that it's available in (k)ubuntu repositories, is it?  i try to 
follow this advice where possible, however adept doesn't show any 
relevant results searching for vmware. 

downloading the tar.gz, untarring and running the installer Just Worked 
for me the other week at home (i can't resist).  i'm really liking the 
changes in v2 over v1.4,  none of the any-any-any runaround stuff (well, 
right now anyway), just press enter a few times, agree to a license, 
tell it where the virtual machines are stored, type in a key etc, when 
the cli excitement is over, fire up your browser.  yes, browser.


5 minute learning curve.  plenty of additional functionality to 
explore.  i'd be a little more specific if i had it going here, once i 
sort out logging on as a different user, i will do. if you're still on 
1.4, i'd recommend you take a look.


maybe showing it off could be a 5 minute demo, steve?

Cheers,
Roger
 


Nick Rout wrote:


Usually better to get it from your distro's repositories of course!

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Christopher Sawtell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  

Does it emulate the 3Dnow instructions?
 If so I'd be very grateful.

On 14/10/2008, Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I can bring in a copy of vmware server 2.0.0 x86_64 to save a 450+MB
download if anyone wants it?? Got 1.0.7 as well - 64 bit .gz too.

Steve
--
Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  
  

--
Sincerely etc.
Christopher Sawtell



  
  



  


CS Can't come tonight

2008-10-13 Thread Christopher Sawtell
So sorry, I just can't get away.

Please ring 981-5469 if Wesley doesn't turn up, because he and I are
the alarm code holders.

-- 
Sincerely etc.
Christopher Sawtell


Re: Clug meeting olpc

2008-10-13 Thread Christopher Sawtell
Thanks so much, but I am rather heavily otherwise preoccupied at the
moment, but will get back to CLUG, Linux and OLPC as soon as I can.

2008/10/14 goldedge [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi Christopher,
 a quick net search seems to indicate that the 3dnow instruction set has been
 supported by bochs for some time? You may need to compile support in?

 This page from ibm about olpc and quemu may help?

 http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-sugar-olpc/index.html

 Ubuntu 7.04 may work better for this application than 8.04?

 How about CentOS? It seems to be very stable.

 Or perhaps Debian?

It's a question of the emulator, not the host o/s.
I have an ordinary Pentuim Mobile ( P3 ) x86 which does not have the
3Dnow instruction extensions. The current OLPC binaries test that the
hardware or emulator, and kernel offers these instructions, and
crashes with an error message if it does not. I'm hoping to use the
VirtualBox emulator because until we hit this 3Dnow problem in my exp.
it 'Just Works'

 Whats the strength of Sabyon?

It's a binary distro closely based on Gentoo.

There is a Professional Edition. It is free of unecessary game and
similar  junk programs, it's based on the Gentoo Stable release. Last
but not least, I really like the fine Italian artwork.

 Additional info link. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OS_images_for_emulation

I'll have a detailed look at that, but at 18 months old I fear it
might be a bit archaeological.

-- 
Sincerely etc.
Christopher Sawtell