Re: Programmer's bookmark for the day...
I seem to recall going to a seminar at LCA09 and there were some file system people there discussing the fact that the fsync is the only way of guaranteeing that the file write has actually created stored data on the spinning rust. (they loved the term spinning rust because they were the ones doing the work for the SSD stuff.) -- - Zane Gilmore Development and Web Infrastructure Team Leader DDI: 325 9631 Cell:0276 319 206 The New Zealand Institute for Plant and Food Research Limited: Rangahau Ahumaara Kai Postal Address: Plant Food Research Lincoln Private Bag 4704, Christchurch Mail Centre, CHRISTCHURCH 8140 Physical Address: Plant Food Research Lincoln Canterbury Agriculture Science Centre, Gerald St, Lincoln 7608 http://www.plantandfood.co.nz/ -- On 12/03/2009 at 12:50 p.m., in message alpine.deb.1.00.0903121240440.2...@parore.tait.co.nz, John Carter john.car...@tait.co.nz wrote: Programmers of the world, (and especially those who teach programmers) make a bookmark of this one... (Even if you're windows programmer, make a note!) Theodore Ts'o, the ext4 developer had written this very informative comment on an alleged ext4 data loss bug. Ted quite correctly observes all ext4 has done has made prexisting application bugs more obvious by increasing the window of time in which the bug can strike, and reminds us of what the Posixly correct way of doing things is. To save launchpad a hammering, I have copied pasted the whole thing here... Ext4 data loss Theodore Ts'o wrote on 2009-03-07: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/317781/comments/54 OK, so let me explain what's going on a bit more explicitly. There are application programmers who are rewriting application files like this: 1.a) open and read file ~/.kde/foo/bar/baz 1.b) fd = open(~/.kde/foo/bar/baz, O_WRONLY|O_TRUNC|O_CREAT) --- this truncates the file 1.c) write(fd, buf-of-new-contents-of-file, size-of-new-contents-of-file) 1.d) close(fd) Slightly more sophisticated application writers will do this: 2.a) open and read file ~/.kde/foo/bar/baz 2.b) fd = open(~/.kde/foo/bar/baz.new, O_WRONLY|O_TRUNC|O_CREAT) 2.c) write(fd, buf-of-new-contents-of-file, size-of-new-contents-of-file) 2.d) close(fd) 2.e) rename(~/.kde/foo/bar/baz.new, ~/.kde/foo/bar/baz) What emacs (and very sophisticated, careful application writers) will do is this: 3.a) open and read file ~/.kde/foo/bar/baz 3.b) fd = open(~/.kde/foo/bar/baz.new, O_WRONLY|O_TRUNC|O_CREAT) 3.c) write(fd, buf-of-new-contents-of-file, size-of-new-contents-of-file) 3.d) fsync(fd) --- and check the error return from the fsync 3.e) close(fd) 3.f) rename(~/.kde/foo/bar/baz, ~/.kde/foo/bar/baz~) --- this is optional 3.g) rename(~/.kde/foo/bar/baz.new, ~/.kde/foo/bar/baz) The fact that series (1) and (2) works at all is an accident. Ext3 in its default configuration happens to have the property that 5 seconds after (1) and (2) completes, the data is safely on disk. (3) is the ***only*** thing which is guaranteed not to lose data. For example, if you are using laptop mode, the 5 seconds is extended to 30 seconds. Now the one downside with (3) is that fsync() is a heavyweight operation. If your application is stupid, and has hundreds of dot files in your home directory, each one taking up a 4k disk block even though it is only storing 4 to 12 bytes of data in each singleton dot file, and you have to repeat (3) for each of your one hundred dot files --- and worse yet, your application for some stupid, unknown reason is writing all of these hundred+ dot files every few seconds, then (3) will be very painful. But it is painful because the application is stupidly written --- not for any fundamental filesystem fault. It's like if you had a robot which was delivering mail to mail box numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and crossing the street for each mail box; on a busy road, this is unsafe, and the robot was getting run over when it kept on jaywalking --- so you can tell the robot to only cross at crosswalks, when the walk light is on, which is safe, but slow --- OR, you could rewrite the robot's algorithsm so it delieveres the mail more intelligently (i.e., one side of the street, and then cross, safely at the crosswalk, and then do the other side of the street). Is that clear? The file system is not truncating files. The application is truncating the files, or is constantly overwriting the files using the rename system call. This is a fundamentally unsafe thing to do, and ext3 just happened to paper things over. But *both* XFS and ext4 does delayed allocation, which means that data blocks don't get allocated right away, and they don't get written right away. Btrfs will be doing delayed allocation as well; all modern filesystems will do this, because it's how you get better performance
Re: en_nz dictionaries?
Britain does *not* use metric standards. We were there about 3 years ago and petrol was sold in gallons and the speed signs were in miles per hour. The speedo on our rental car was in mph. Stuff at the supermarket was sold in pounds. Britain has *not* gone metric. -- - Zane Gilmore Development and Web Infrastructure Team Leader DDI: 325 9631 Cell:0276 319 206 The New Zealand Institute for Plant and Food Research Limited: Rangahau Ahumaara Kai Postal Address: Plant Food Research Lincoln Private Bag 4704, Christchurch Mail Centre, CHRISTCHURCH 8140 Physical Address: Plant Food Research Lincoln Canterbury Agriculture Science Centre, Gerald St, Lincoln 7608 http://www.plantandfood.co.nz/ -- On 12/02/2009 at 9:13 a.m., in message 20090212091322.bd32c26c.st...@greengecko.co.nz, Steve Holdoway st...@greengecko.co.nz wrote: On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:52:39 +1300 Payne, Owen owen.pa...@ccc.govt.nz wrote: Um, technically it went metric, but they never really had the spine to enforce it, so all the kids are taught in metric, whilst the rest of the country uses imperial. If you ask about this anyone over 40 tells you it's because they find it easier to work out [snip] Britain actually went metric in 1965, 4 years before New Zealand. Surprising it did at all since it was invented by the French (: I think the only (major?) non-metric country left in the world is the US. The only hangover that's in common usage is the measurement of road distances/speed in miles. For example, the 22m line on a rugby pitch which is really 25 yards. ( in the Netherlands you can still ask for an ounce of cooked meat at the deli - although it now means 100g ). And yes, I'm somewhat over 40, and remember being taught basic arithmetic with pounds, shillings and pence as well... Steve On 1 December 2008 HortResearch merged with Crop Food Research to create The New Zealand Institute for Plant and Food Research Limited. The contents of this email are confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disseminate, distribute or reproduce all or any part of this email or attachments. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete all material pertaining to this e-mail. Any opinion or views expressed in this email are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of The New Zealand Institute for Plant and Food Research Limited.
Re: Feb meeting...
Although I like the idea of getting together for a geeky chin-wag over a few beers, I think that we can put together a few talks. Occasionally people will turn up who are worth listening to and right now we could easily do a couple a talks right now. I arranged for Derek to do a talk on what he was up to. And Andrew and I could do a presentation on what went down at LCA (linux.conf.au). There were some very cool things that happened there. (e.g http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22752/1090/1/0/ ) BTW Have you seen that the next one is in Wellington!? -- - Zane Gilmore Development and Web Infrastructure Team Leader DDI: 325 9631 Cell:0276 319 206 The New Zealand Institute for Plant and Food Research Limited: Rangahau Ahumaara Kai Postal Address: Plant Food Research Lincoln Private Bag 4704, Christchurch Mail Centre, CHRISTCHURCH 8140 Physical Address: Plant Food Research Lincoln Canterbury Agriculture Science Centre, Gerald St, Lincoln 7608 http://www.plantandfood.co.nz/ -- On 24/01/2009 at 2:42 p.m., in message alpine.deb.2.00.0901241434060.6...@monster, Derek Smithies de...@indranet.co.nz wrote: Hi, Last year, Nick wrote quite passionately about local Christchurch companies using linux and wondering if any had any stories to tell in a meeting.. I replied, and noted that a wireless rate control module I had written has been added to the mainline kernel. Now, if you peruse your way to: http://blogs.computerworld.com/node/12825/print where you can read about the five best features in 2.6.28, you will find the comment: Frankly, based on what I've been seeing while using it with my Linux-powered ThinkPad R61, I'd upgrade to 2.6.28 for this feature alone. Anyhow, Zane said something to me about a talk on Minstrel, and I think it was organised to be in February. any details yet?? No, nothing. Ahhm. Actually. There is quite a bit.. Derek. === On Fri, 23 Jan 2009, Don Robertson wrote: Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Monday 19 January 2009 19:05:51 Steve Holdoway wrote: any details yet?? No, nothing. Therefore can't help but wonder if I should cancel the venue booking, and let CLUG return to being just an email-list operation. Greetings all. I have recently returned to Christchurch, and joined the list a few weeks ago. I'd like to go to a meeting now and then. On the other hand, I haven't been to any yet so I don't know what they are like :-) I'd go along with the suggestion of a pub or cafe someplace and take it from there. I can't suggest any place in particular - I haven't frequented the local hostelries since - well, I remember I was wearing an onion in my belt, because it was the fashion at the time ... Comments please CLUGgers. Note that I personally cannot do anymore program organizing, because I will be away for the winter, and as I may well be leaving the country permanently life is just too busy at the moment, and anyway I think I've done my bit. don On 1 December 2008 HortResearch merged with Crop Food Research to create The New Zealand Institute for Plant and Food Research Limited. The contents of this email are confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disseminate, distribute or reproduce all or any part of this email or attachments. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete all material pertaining to this e-mail. Any opinion or views expressed in this email are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of The New Zealand Institute for Plant and Food Research Limited.
Anybody else going to Linux Conf?
Hello all, Have just got back from holiday and am about to go to Hobart for Linux Conf. Just wanted to know if anybody else on the list is going as well. Regards, Zane -- - Zane Gilmore Development and Web Infrastructure Team Leader DDI: 325 9631 Cell:0276 319 206 The New Zealand Institute for Plant and Food Research Limited: Rangahau Ahumaara Kai Postal Address: Plant Food Research Lincoln Private Bag 4704, Christchurch Mail Centre, CHRISTCHURCH 8140 Physical Address: Plant Food Research Lincoln Canterbury Agriculture Science Centre, Gerald St, Lincoln 7608 http://www.plantandfood.co.nz/ -- On 1 December 2008 HortResearch merged with Crop Food Research to create The New Zealand Institute for Plant and Food Research Limited. The contents of this email are confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disseminate, distribute or reproduce all or any part of this email or attachments. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete all material pertaining to this e-mail. Any opinion or views expressed in this email are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of The New Zealand Institute for Plant and Food Research Limited.
Re: Back on topic: CLUG Get together tomorrow?
There were those that mentioned doing it on Thursday night instead. It actually would be better for me on Thursday night. What does everybody else think? Zane -- - Zane Gilmore Development and Web Infrastructure Team Leader DDI: 325 9631 Cell:0276 319 206 The New Zealand Institute for Plant and Food Research Limited: Rangahau Ahumaara Kai Postal Address: Plant Food Research Lincoln Private Bag 4704, Christchurch Mail Centre, CHRISTCHURCH 8140 Physical Address: Plant Food Research Lincoln Canterbury Agriculture Science Centre, Gerald St, Lincoln 7608 http://www.plantandfood.co.nz/ -- On 8/12/2008 at 4:05 p.m., in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Linux Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure I will be there where ever that is (out of towner; so a street name and or number and what time at the Twisted Hop. (GPS co-ord if you must but I am not sure if I have cracked that function yet)). Been to one meeting half a year ago and lurked for oh so simply ages so you will have a different face to alter your ego. Coming to Chch for an altogether unrelated (but a relation none the less) reason and so could bring with me a Linux issue or two just in case there is just you and me, like, and if the conversation gets a bit long in the gaps --you know, pays to be prepared, Murphys' in laws and all that, yeah well that should seal the deal, one way or the other ... cheers Kevin Christopher Sawtell wrote: Back on Topic:- Tomorrow is the regular meeting night. How many folks are going to be at the Twisted Hop, Poplar Lane, tomorrow evening? I. E. Is it worth my while going, to meet more that just my alter ego? The contents of this e-mail are confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disseminate, distribute or reproduce all or any part of this e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete all material pertaining to this e-mail. Any opinion or views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of The New Zealand Institute for Plant and Food Research Limited.
CLUG Get together next week?
So what are we going to do next week? Are we just going to the pub on Thursday night or what? -- - Zane Gilmore Development and Web Infrastructure Team Leader DDI: 325 9631 Cell:0276 319 206 Plant Food Research : Rangahau Ahumaara Kai http://www.plantandfood.co.nz/ -- The contents of this e-mail are confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disseminate, distribute or reproduce all or any part of this e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete all material pertaining to this e-mail. Any opinion or views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of The New Zealand Institute for Plant and Food Research Limited.
Re: gnome panels
So what, exactly, is wrong with KDE4? I have not tried it yet but have heard that it is quite good-looking -- - Zane Gilmore Development and Web Infrastructure Team Leader DDI: 325 9631 Cell:0276 319 206 Crop Food Research : Mana Kai Rangahau http://www.crop.cri.nz -- On 20/11/2008 at 5:49 p.m., in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Vik Olliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-11-20 at 14:58 +1300, Roger Searle wrote: Thanks to the buggy nature of KDE4 on my home workstation, I have made the move to gnome, and I like! I've been having a good little look and play around with it but have some unsolved mysteries I'm hoping to get assistance with. Terrible isn't it? KDE-lovers, avoid upgrading to Intrepid! I've even tried 4.1.3 through backports and it's not much better. I could've done without this. 4.1 is not ready for prime time. Vik :v) Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Re: CLUG problems...please help
You should get to the correct person with linux-users-ownerat blahblah However that kind of relies on the fact that the person looking after the list is reading the list emails. (they can get pretty hefty in number if they are left for too long) Mike's problem is almost certainly some variant of what you suggested with sender header different to subscribed or similar. That was almost always what the problem was when I was looking after it. I think there may have been another problem once where there was something else flaky in the composition of the email headers but can't remember what it was now. -- - Zane Gilmore Development and Web Infrastructure Team Leader DDI: 325 9631 Cell:0276 319 206 Crop Food Research : Mana Kai Rangahau http://www.crop.cri.nz -- On 20/11/2008 at 4:24 p.m., in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, are you posting from a different email address to the subscribed one? Damned if I know who the list admin is these days! On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Roger Searle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Original Message Subject:CLUG problems...please help Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:56:45 +1300 From: Gauland, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Roger, Sorry to trouble you, but I've been unable to post to the CLUG list, though I seem to be receiving messages just fine. When I try to post (for the first time with an urgent problem!), I'm not allowed to use the list. Unfortunately, http://clug.org.nz/ seems to be down, so I can't use that to help me figure out who to contact. I've contacted you because you've just posted. If know who I should contact, great; if not, could you post a query on my behalf? Thanks, Mike Gauland Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Re: CLUG meeting
Roger, Sorry I don't think that I will be getting there early. I find 7:30 difficult enough as it is. In my experience, everybody is usually happy to chat while we spend a little time futzing around getting the technology going. It's in the nature of these things that people stand around in a circle pointing out mistakes and better ways of doing things to the person actually doing it. (things like: you missed a spot and that old favourite: you're not going to do it like that?) So I have no intention of disturbing the Indian Children's Dance Group. Regards, Zane On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: That would be fine _provided that_ the group ( Indian children's dance group ) who have hired the hall immediately previously to us has finished using the premises. On 07/11/2008, Roger Searle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: would a 7:15 arrival work for you and the key holders, to attempt to eliminate the typical projector issues going well beyond meeting start time? Zane Gilmore wrote: Cool, I'll try to arrange the projector. -- Sincerely etc. Christopher Sawtell -- --- Zane Gilmore
CLUG meeting
There did not appear to be a reply to my suggestion the other day for the meeting next Tuesday. Steve and Roger... Are you guys going to be able to do your thing? Derek and Barry... do you have any objection to doing your talks next year? -- - Zane Gilmore Development and Web Infrastructure Team Leader DDI: 325 9631 Cell:0276 319 206 Crop Food Research : Mana Kai Rangahau http://www.crop.cri.nz -- Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Re: CLUG meeting
Cool, I'll try to arrange the projector. -- - Zane Gilmore Development and Web Infrastructure Team Leader DDI: 325 9631 Cell:0276 319 206 Crop Food Research : Mana Kai Rangahau http://www.crop.cri.nz -- On 6/11/2008 at 2:34 p.m., in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:28:36 +1300 Zane Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There did not appear to be a reply to my suggestion the other day for the meeting next Tuesday. Steve and Roger... Are you guys going to be able to do your thing? Fine by me! Derek and Barry... do you have any objection to doing your talks next year? -- - Zane Gilmore Development and Web Infrastructure Team Leader DDI: 325 9631 Cell:0276 319 206 Crop Food Research : Mana Kai Rangahau http://www.crop.cri.nz -- Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer. Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Re: Redhat support subscriptions
snip In my experience I found that there are two main reasons a company buys external support for its systems. First reason is to plan for future development. The company providing support can investigate and give written assurance of compatibilities for future acquisitions and advise of integration and scalability issues. They can also share from other clients experience who use similar systems and/or faced similar problems. The second reason is business insurance. Having certified support is a contributing factor in saving on the business insurance premiums, especially when it comes to IT. There is a another one. The warm fuzzy feeling that a manager gets when they have bought support from a big name. You have no idea how important that can be. There are other reasons too why a company may want or need support, but I think it is outside the scope of this thread to elaborate as they are not necessarily Linux related. Yes, see above snip For best troubleshooting and continuity support the common practice is either to hire in-house expertise, which I believe it is your company's case because they hired you - and did a good job with it I might say - or outsource the entire maintenance, with binding contractual SLAs and penalties, to a company specialised in such activity. or both with the inside guy having the job of harassing the outside guys So when qualifying companies for support, there are more factors to consider on top of the quality of their technical expertise, which may prove not to be the primary factor in their shortlisting. However, certification or vendor endorsement has to be a must. In this case the certification is the problem. Who does the certification? What do they use as the criteria? Have I gone too OT here?... No you didn't. ( at least you didn't suggest BSD :-/) -- - Zane Gilmore Development and Web Infrastructure Team Leader DDI: 325 9631 Cell:0276 319 206 Crop Food Research : Mana Kai Rangahau http://www.crop.cri.nz -- Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Re: any suggestions...
So, after all of that...what are you going to speak about?:-) AFAICT There are about 4 people who have volunteered to speak at the next meeting. - Steve Holdoway - A yet to be determined Sysadminesque subject - Derek Smithies - About a cool wireless kernel module he had a hand in writing - Barry Marchant - Genealogy programs - Roger Searl - VPN demo. I suggest that Steve speaks on VPNs and Roger does the VMware demo then next year we get Derek and Barry to do their thing (because we may as well do the pub thing next month like we have done in previous years.) What do you think? (This is Zane attempting to be better than last month :-/ ) On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 18:54:58 +1300 Roger Searle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was suggested I might like to demo version 2 of vmware server - I am still happy to do this for maybe 5 to 10 minutes at the beginning of the meeting? Is that wanted by anyone? Does this fit with your evolving plans Steve? For those who are dual booting, or are yet to take the plunge and put linux on their windows box, and for those who will continue to need some particular windows-only application, this is the answer for you! Well, one answer. Cheers, Roger Go for it. I'm having so many problems with firefox's npviewer for flash taking up so much cpu on my workstation, I'm having real problems running vmware as well. And as for eclipse, well... (: Steve -- Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- Zane Gilmore
Re: any suggestions...
I can probably get my hands on one. It's a bit old but can usually do the job. -- - Zane Gilmore Development and Web Infrastructure Team Leader DDI: 325 9631 Cell:0276 319 206 Crop Food Research : Mana Kai Rangahau http://www.crop.cri.nz -- On 4/11/2008 at 7:36 a.m., in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Searle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And (not answering any questions but posing more) who has a projector? I can provide a screen . . . Zane Gilmore wrote: So, after all of that...what are you going to speak about?:-) AFAICT There are about 4 people who have volunteered to speak at the next meeting. - Steve Holdoway - A yet to be determined Sysadminesque subject - Derek Smithies - About a cool wireless kernel module he had a hand in writing - Barry Marchant - Genealogy programs - Roger Searl - VPN demo. I suggest that Steve speaks on VPNs and Roger does the VMware demo then next year we get Derek and Barry to do their thing (because we may as well do the pub thing next month like we have done in previous years.) What do you think? (This is Zane attempting to be better than last month :-/ ) On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 18:54:58 +1300 Roger Searle [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was suggested I might like to demo version 2 of vmware server - I am still happy to do this for maybe 5 to 10 minutes at the beginning of the meeting? Is that wanted by anyone? Does this fit with your evolving plans Steve? For those who are dual booting, or are yet to take the plunge and put linux on their windows box, and for those who will continue to need some particular windows-only application, this is the answer for you! Well, one answer. Cheers, Roger Go for it. I'm having so many problems with firefox's npviewer for flash taking up so much cpu on my workstation, I'm having real problems running vmware as well. And as for eclipse, well... (: Steve -- Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- Zane Gilmore Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Re: any suggestions...
Ahem...I was just reading that last post and realised that it was not obvious what I was talking about I was, in fact, talking about the projector that Roger asked about. but Steve, if you're bit sensitive about that you could try some of that Garnier glucogizing proteins and some hairdye :-P -- - Zane Gilmore Development and Web Infrastructure Team Leader DDI: 325 9631 Cell:0276 319 206 Crop Food Research : Mana Kai Rangahau http://www.crop.cri.nz -- On 4/11/2008 at 9:31 a.m., in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:22:01 +1300 Zane Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a bit old but can usually do the job. ...you talking about me again (: Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Redhat support subscriptions
I have been doing some assessment work on Redhat. AFAICT Redhat charges approx $500NZ per year per server. (that's the bare bones basic subscription) and approx $1200 per year per server for 12X5 telephone support. There's a more expensive 24X7 one as well. Does anyone on the list have any experience with Redhat's services? What I'm trying to figure out is whether it is worth my employer spending it's money on some of these subscriptions or whether we just go Centos and muddle through. I am not the world's most experienced sysadmin but I *can* usually muddle through. My experience with another supplier (which at this point will remain nameless) was appalling when I went to them for support. That was the reason we were using their distro was because it was supported but when I tried to get that support for a quite obscure problem they were hopeless and I fixed the problem myself eventually. Cheers, Zane -- - Zane Gilmore Development and Web Infrastructure Team Leader DDI: 325 9631 Cell:0276 319 206 Crop Food Research : Mana Kai Rangahau http://www.crop.cri.nz -- Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Re: Redhat support subscriptions
Funnily enough, the one time support would have been welcome (this issue took months to resolve) both Oracle NZ and RedHat were absolutely useless. Wandering through source code eventually highlighted the issue which was resolved quite effectively once the cause was found. Yes, I think that is my experience too. If you are a reasonably knowledgeable sysadmin or whatever, any support you want is going to be for a relatively obscure problem which is unlikely to be something a phone-support person is able to deal with. -- - Zane Gilmore Development and Web Infrastructure Team Leader DDI: 325 9631 Cell:0276 319 206 Crop Food Research : Mana Kai Rangahau http://www.crop.cri.nz -- Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Clug meeting
I'm sorry I seem to find myself, yet again, without a speaker for the CLUG meeting. However, this time I can't think of anyone to help out. If there is anyone prepared to give an interesting talk at hideously short notice that would be great. So it looks like we may have to have a workshop or similar and a cup of tea and go home early... sorry. I will also be on the lookout for someone prepared to put some time in as a speaker-arranger. I am finding this a bit more difficult than I thought I would (Chris you did very well!) with apologies, Zane
Re: CLUG meeting
Yes Roger, Again I must apologise. I keep finding myself surprised by the start of the month! Steve, maybe next month would be a better use of your talk and tonight we can just have a fixup session and a chat over a cuppa. How does that sound? Zane -- - Zane Gilmore Development and Web Infrastructure Team Leader DDI: 325 9631 Cell:0276 319 206 Crop Food Research : Mana Kai Rangahau http://www.crop.cri.nz -- On 14/10/2008 at 11:29 a.m., in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Searle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it would be a huge shame to not have a few days notice of a presentation such as this / by someone such as this - since i would make every effort to come along, but almost certainly can't if i only know about it on the day / the day before. Cheers, Roger Barry Marchant wrote: Listening to a speaker with practical experience (and horror stories?) is more interesting than pure theory Steve. Anyway the pre meeting meeting at Salas Thai Cuisine is on at 6.00 pm. Please let me know so I can make a booking. Barry - Steve Holdoway wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:27:42 +1300 Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] ok no way can i commit to organising meetings, but i can offer my apalling presentation skills at short notice at the moment. Skillset is system/database/network admin - from practical rather than theoretical experience, and oldschool systems analysis and design. I've spent the last 4 years fighting spam. Let me know if i can be of any use and when the meeting is... as ever political correctness is not an option (: Steve Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Re: Clug meeting
I sent this message as the first one didn't seem to come through. Looks like they had some trouble on the varsity servers. I just assumed that I hadn't pressed the right button on the email client at work. -- - Zane Gilmore Development and Web Infrastructure Team Leader DDI: 325 9631 Cell:0276 319 206 Crop Food Research : Mana Kai Rangahau http://www.crop.cri.nz -- On 13/10/2008 at 9:28 p.m., in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/10/13 Zane Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm sorry I seem to find myself, yet again, without a speaker for the CLUG meeting. However, this time I can't think of anyone to help out. If there is anyone prepared to give an interesting talk at hideously short notice that would be great. So it looks like we may have to have a workshop or similar and a cup of tea and go home early... sorry. If we are going to have a fixup session I would be very grateful if some kind soul could help me to get an OLPC-XO emulation going on my ThinkPad. If I install the Sugar emulation from Ubuntu I get a blank X-server screen. You know, the mottled grey visage. If I attempt to install via VirtualBox I get a message about needing the 3Dnow instruction extensions. Sounds interesting even if we can't get it going :-) Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
CLUG meeting
Ooops, Yet again I find myself at this part of the month having forgotten the CLUG meeting. My life is too hectic right now to do this. Not sure I can get a speaker now so maybe it's gonna be a short one or maybe a help session. So many apologies and am now looking to pass the baton to someone who might be able to do a better job :-/ So tomorrow night I will be talking to people about finding speakers for these meetings. Regards, Zane -- - Zane Gilmore Development and Web Infrastructure Team Leader DDI: 325 9631 Cell:0276 319 206 Crop Food Research : Mana Kai Rangahau http://www.crop.cri.nz -- Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Re: meeting Tues 7.30pm?
Thank you Caleb, Yes I am a slack b*st**d Caleb has rescued me from further ignominy. See you at the St Albans Community Resource Centre http://clug.net.nz/index.php/MeetingSchedule at 7:30 pm (BTW the CLUG wiki is running very slow) -- - Zane Gilmore Development and Web Infrastructure Team Leader DDI: 325 9631 Cell:0276 319 206 Crop Food Research : Mana Kai Rangahau http://www.crop.cri.nz -- On 9/09/2008 at 9:15 a.m., in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Caleb Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do believe that I am doing a talk about inkscape topday On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Robert Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:56:01 am Rik Tindall wrote: Some posters are needed, notices to put places, any other ideas? Are the posters prepared? What size are they? I can probably print some if they are no bigger than A3 Rob Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Re: meeting Tues 7.30pm?
And we can also discuss Software Freedom Day as well. -- - Zane Gilmore Development and Web Infrastructure Team Leader DDI: 325 9631 Cell:0276 319 206 Crop Food Research : Mana Kai Rangahau http://www.crop.cri.nz -- On 9/09/2008 at 9:56 a.m., in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Zane Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Caleb, Yes I am a slack b*st**d Caleb has rescued me from further ignominy. See you at the St Albans Community Resource Centre http://clug.net.nz/index.php/MeetingSchedule at 7:30 pm (BTW the CLUG wiki is running very slow) Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Re: GNU/Linux
Francis, attending one of the CLUG meetings probably would have been a good way of making contact. Francis White wrote: Hello, I am doing a school English assignment on GNU/Linux, and I was wondering if anyone out there knows of any good resources, or has been involved in GNU/Linux for some time, and might want to do an interview(possibly over IM, I can do AIM, MSN, Skype, Gadu-Gadu, Google Talk, and Yahoo Messenger). If anyone can help, or wants to be interviewed, flick me an email on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Francis White Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: CLUG Meeting
Rik Tindall wrote: snip I assume you've got the projector issue resolved for the evening? yes, (thanks for the reminder :-) )
CLUG Meeting
A quick note to say what's happening tomorrow night. As long as Caleb Sawtell's familial circumstances allow he will be speaking to us about some graphics stuff he knows about. However if he can't do it David Kirk has very kindly agreed to stand in and present a short talk on LTSP The meeting is tomorrow night and the usual place. St Albans Community Resource Centre, 1047 Colombo Street (http://clug.net.nz/index.php/MeetingSchedule) See you there Regards, Zane Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Re: Problems posting to this list via GMail
I believe that the email software that the Uni uses is a bit strict about all of the headers being all true and correct. If the From and the sender is not the same then things may go awry. My advice is to just use a very standard set-up for the CLUG subscription. We probably need to hassle them start using some decent list software. Eliot Blennerhassett wrote: Reading my own email, I see that the bounced message has these headers: From: Eliot Blennerhassett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Test via Gmail Sender: Eliot Blennerhassett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CLUGList linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not subscribed to the list. But the From header is correct. And as I said before, sending a subscription message with such correctly recognizes that I'm try to sub. [EMAIL PROTECTED] WTF???
Re: free culture
Funny I thought it was in the Science block.(however I could be very wrong after all it was 10 years ago) Which would make it S1,S2,S3 IIRC they are approx 200 seats One of the amusing things I remember he did was to encourage people to jam open the doors that needed cards for access. Volker Kuhlmann wrote: On Fri 25 Jul 2008 21:47:01 NZST +1200, Rik Tindall wrote: c1999 RMS last spoke in Christchurch, to a packed out lecture theatre, at the University of Canterbury I am told. 28 Aug 1998, my photo archive index tells me. I believe it was in E2 (or E3, but they're identical). The capacity is possibly online, or someone could walk in an read the license plate. Volker
Re: VMware eth0 bridge
Thanks guys for all the replies, It turned out that there was a VPN client installed on the VM that was doing it. I am very happy to say that it was nothing to do with my Linux VM installation. FTR I am running VMPlayer 2.0.4 because the server was not able to run the image that I had and the server that could run it is still in beta apparently. It all seems to be humming along nicely running 'doze in all it's glory (ahem) along with all of the corporate... stuff that I need that won't run on a decent OS :-) Now I can set up a decent development box. :-D Cheers, Zane On 16/07/2008 at 8:19 p.m., in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kerry Mayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Zane, can't quite follow from the posts - are you using server or player? I'd really suggest server - it's much more reliable particularly on the networking side. I've not checked, is there a version in the repo yet? Back to the network issues: Do other applications have any issues with the network? It's not something silly like the windows firewall is it? Does the network have all three options set up? I'd suggest turning off the options you are not using. Is the machine you are trying to access the host? As an exception to the last, don't try to access the host via anything but the host only network, for some reason it's incredibly slow via bridged or nat - your application is likely to time out. Kerry. 2008/7/16 Roger Searle [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Zane Gilmore wrote: I am trying to get a VMware virtual machine going on my Kubuntu box. Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Re: GNU/Linux Install Fest coming up at Uni
Good on you Tim. I am assuming that the Erskine building is the new name for the COSC and maths building? Watch out for plugging heaps of machines into one power circuit. My advice is be aware of what circuit each power point is in and count your watts. One year we had to run extension leads because we had blown fuses. I then got into trouble with the head sparky :-/ Interesting time to have an installfest in the middle of the week. I will try to keep myself available for it. But it will have to be after work. Good luck, Zane On 16/07/2008 at 9:08 p.m., in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, The University of Canterbury Free Culture Club is planning a GNU/Linux install fest on campus at the end of the month, and we'd like to invite the CLUG to join us. We're a pretty small club, so any help (e.g. advice based on past experience, extra people to help with installation) would be greatly appreciated. We have room 101 of the Erskine Building booked for July 30th, from 3pm until 8pm. We plan to offer installations of Ubuntu, Fedora, and SUSE. -- Timothy Musson FSF Associate Member http://www.russianclub.wikidot.com/http://www.fsf.org/ Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Postgres Training
I have had a request for a source of Postgres training. (probably admin and client programming) Does anyone know of any reputable source of training for Postgres? Possibly even someone with the requisite skills maybe to offer it. Cheers, Zane Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
VMware eth0 bridge
I am trying to get a VMware virtual machine going on my Kubuntu box. It is a Windows XP VM and it almost goes perfectly. The main sticking point I am having is that there is one application that I need that refuses to behave. It is a document handling thing called SilentOne and it craps out when it tries to connect to the server. It seems to be able to make an initial connection to the server and get connection details but when an attempt to actually connect for real it refuses to get as far as the login challenge eventually timing out saying that the server is not responding. This particular VM is a copy of one that works when run on a Windows host and all of the other networking works on the Kubuntu host. As I said all of the other apps are going fine including browsers and email. So what I am suspecting is a problem at the VMware bridging thingy at the Linux end. This app seems to connect on port 8080 which is also the web proxy and it talks back on what appears to be a random port above 1024 the question Does anybody know where the config stuff for the eth bridging that VMware uses is kept? What about how it works? /the question Google appears to be reasonably unforthcoming. There was stuff about ipv6 incompatibilty so I turned that off and there was a ethtool command that turned a few things off at the card level which I also did. None of these things worked. This could be a real show stopper for my running Linux as my base OS so I need to solve it. Thanks, Zane Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Re: VMware eth0 bridge
Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16/07/2008 2:54 p.m. On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:16:26 +1200 Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Zane Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to get a VMware virtual machine going on my Kubuntu box. My honest advice is: don't even try. My exp. is that VMware under Linux is that it is an unstable P.O.S. I had an instance of it running for a very few days, and it then collapsed utterly. OTOH VirtualBox just chugged on, and on, and on, . -- Sincerely etc. Christopher Sawtell b*ll*x vmware server works great. I use it everywhere, the snapshots make repeatable testing a breeze, and I virtualise my mail and web servers at home. Completely reliable, unlike one of my cow-orkers on Vista ( although that could be him! ). To get vmware server 1.0.6 running on ubuntu hh, you also need to patch it using vmware-any-any-update117a.tgz ( or maybe greater, but I last installed on this PC only a month or so ago ). I just downloaded the tar file from vmware.com and followed the instructions ( ./vmware_installer.pl iirc ). You need linux headers installing first. Installation will generate all the support you need for the 3 networking options vmware offers, and by default the webby stuff hangs off port 902. You will need to recompile modules when your kernel is upgraded, but that's not really the end of the world! Drop me a line if you're still stuck... Steve I thought that the any_any thing was for the initial build. I have a working player that plays a XP VM just fine. Except for this blasted app that refuses to work. I have done a tcpdump and the packets appear to be getting to and from the correct places but the stupid app refuses to acknowledge them. Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Re: OT: just how wordy is gmail?
I do know that Gmail's AJAX stuff does a lot of talking to and from the server. It might be that it can get pretty big over time. On 16/07/2008 at 3:45 p.m., in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am being queried about my internet usage at the office and it is high compared to everyone else. A lot of it appears to be to from google IP addresses. I don't look up THAT much stuff on google every day, but I wonder if its gmail updating when I leave it open in my browser - it does update itself fairly continuously. There is 50MB to from google IP's in a typical day. I might have gmail open 50-100% of a working day (so, say, 4-8 hours). I'll close my browser and come back for an answer later :-) Nick. Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Re: Laser pointer - meeting tonight.
Managed to get the projector off the BIL Not so sure about the laser pointer Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/07/2008 11:52 a.m. If anyone coming to the meeting tonight has a laser pointer that they would be prepared to let me abuse for the evening could they please bring it along. Will only shine it in your eyes if you appear to be asleep. Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Re: Ubuntu server
Thanks for the replies guys. It's all pretty much what my Googling told me. It turns out I may have to stick with SLES anyway. Installing anything slightly non-standard seems sooo difficult on SLES. It's probably because I don't know it well enough yet. Thanks again, Zane Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer. Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Ubuntu server
Hello there, I am about to install an Ubuntu server on a virtual setup and I am wondering whether anyone who has had experience with setting up Ubuntu servers can give opinions on whether it is better to just install a desktop version and install what is required or install the server version? - Does the server version just exclude X or is there a some other stuff that it offers for a production server? - Does Ubuntu server offer server set-up tools that I should know about? - Would the desktop version be a big problem for a server? Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Moving to 64 bit system
I have been shagging around with installing Kubuntu on a new work PC. While I have been doing this I have done the usual split of the hard-drive into system and home partitions. What I am about to do now is move from 32 bit to 64 bit versions of Kubuntu. Will I need to re-format the home partition? Does it matter whether the partition was formatted with a 32 or 64 bit system? Cheers, Zane Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Re: Moving to 64 bit system
Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] 19/06/2008 10:13 a.m. On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Zane Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been shagging around with installing Kubuntu on a new work PC. While I have been doing this I have done the usual split of the hard-drive into system and home partitions. What I am about to do now is move from 32 bit to 64 bit versions of Kubuntu. Will I need to re-format the home partition? No Does it matter whether the partition was formatted with a 32 or 64 bit system? No ...so you're not sure then :-) Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Re: Next talk MythTV 8 July 2008
I can probably provide a projector. (brother-in-law willing) The satellite dish is probably going to be a bit more difficult. How easy is it to align one, even if we can get one? Don't you have to point it at exactly the right place in the sky? Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] 19/06/2008 1:00 p.m. For once CLUG does not clash with my Board of Trustees so I will present about MythTV on 8 July 2008. I am hoping to demo it actually working on a live TV feed, and/or setting up from scratch, but I am open to suggestions of what people actually want to see. My own setup is freeview via DVB-S (satellite) which is probably the best way to get a reasonable amount of digital TV in NZ at present. However to demo that I will need a satellite to connect to. So ... We can either 1. set up a temporary satellite dish if anyone has one lying about; or 2. find a venue with a sky dish that we can plug into for the night; or 3. Just demo the software without any live TV. If anyone has any brilliant ideas, or something they particularly want to see, let me know. I will also need a projector and screen, dunno what the drill is with this these days, but I understand it has presented a problem recently. Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
apt-get seg-faulting
I have a problem with an installation I am doing right now. I have got most of what I need installed but in the process I have managed to do something that seems to have broken apt-get. Every time it is run it seg faults. update seems to go and get the files it thinks it needs but seems to craps out while processing them. After doing a strace it seems to be opening a file called: /var/lib/apt/lists/mirror.aarnet.edu.au_pub_ubuntu_archive_dists_hardy_universe_binary-i386_Packages And the strace always ends with: read(6, [EMAIL PROTECTED]\nOrigi..., 32643) = 32643 --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ Process 6266 detached Any ideas? Regards, Zane Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Re: apt-get seg-faulting
Umm, there you have me... you see I have nothing in the lists dir and I can't run apt-get update because it seg faults ye gods I hope I don't have to reinstall the whole f#$ ( mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] )# system! A system without a software installation mechanism is virtually useless Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18/06/2008 12:48 p.m. On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:45:09 +1200 Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: apt-get install --reinstall apt-get and see if that helps? Steve Sorry, the package is apt, not apt-get isn't it! Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Re: apt-get seg-faulting
Kerry, thank you for that hint/reminder! there was an entry that I added during my installation meandering that, when removed, stopped apt-get from seg faulting (An entry about caching) cheers, Zane Kerry Mayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18/06/2008 1:24 p.m. If bootstrap installation like that doesn't work, before you resort to reinstallation, you might want to try checking apt-get's data and conf files. It might be the files on one particular server that is causing you grief. (why is it using a file from mirror.aarnet.edu.au rather than a NZ mirror?) 2008/6/18 Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]: How about re-installing apt by downloading the package and installing it with dpkg? Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Re: apt-get seg-faulting
I have tried 2 versions of a sources.list file One that uses the nz mirror and the aarnet one. They both produce identical symptoms. Is there a way of ensuring the data and conf files are OK? Kerry Mayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18/06/2008 1:24 p.m. If bootstrap installation like that doesn't work, before you resort to reinstallation, you might want to try checking apt-get's data and conf files. It might be the files on one particular server that is causing you grief. (why is it using a file from mirror.aarnet.edu.au rather than a NZ mirror?) 2008/6/18 Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]: How about re-installing apt by downloading the package and installing it with dpkg? Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Re: CLUG meeting tomorrow night
Many apologies for the lateness of the post. As it happens I have actually managed to get a projector. However, it won't hurt to bring it. Thanks, Zane Don Gould wrote: David Lowe wrote: Anyway... Don - do you need a projector? Yes, as I just finished my 18 page presentation for the second time! I'd love the projector. Cheers Don
CLUG meeting tomorrow night
Tomorrow night at the usual place. We are going to have a third attempt at Don Gould's Home Network talk. Sorry this is a bit last minute. See you tomorrow.
Re: Suse installation sources
Volker Kuhlmann wrote: On Thu 29 May 2008 15:40:24 NZST +1200, Zane Gilmore wrote: At present I am trying to install some stuff on a SLES (Suse Linux Enterprise Server) box and when I go to do it, it demands that I install from DVD. As the server is some distance away and is actually a virtual one then this is not impossible but a PITA. As disk space is cheap, I'd copy the DVD to an iso file on disk and set that up as another installation source. Faster to work with too. Is there a standard online repository that I can set as a installation source that will just work without having to shag about with CD/DVDs? For openSUSE yes, for SLES I'm not sure - but SLES comes with support, why don't you ask there? I believe that the copy we have is an evaluation copy so am not sure about the support. Are you telling me that the SLES is less convenient than the OpenSuse? Just for the record, could you tell me the url for the OpenSuse You could also copy the DVD onto a local ftp server of your choice and share it out to the server, you get Internet traffic only for what's actually used from the DVD. Yes I suppose that we are going to have to do this. If you only need to install a few more things and know what they are, it's not that slow to just scp the packages across and to install them with rpm. It turned out that I could use my local DVD drive after all :-) We're using VMWare and there is this thing where you can mount the local drive on the server (ahem)... but it's still irritating! Cheers, Zane
Suse installation sources
At present I am trying to install some stuff on a SLES (Suse Linux Enterprise Server) box and when I go to do it, it demands that I install from DVD. As the server is some distance away and is actually a virtual one then this is not impossible but a PITA. Is there a standard online repository that I can set as a installation source that will just work without having to shag about with CD/DVDs? I don't particularly want non-standard stuff but preferably the standard Suse one. Cheers, Zane Visit our website at http://www.crop.cri.nz __ CAUTION: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential. If you read this message and you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of all or part of the contents is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. Any opinions or views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not represent those of their employer.
Re: Tuesday night meeting...
Ahem, I appear to have done it again. excuseThis job was really given to me at the worst possible time /excuse If anybody has access to one I would appreciate it if you could bring a projector tomorrow. However I will attempt to get a hold of one that I think may do the job. With chagrin, Zane Don Gould wrote: Is someone bringing a projector and screen tomorrow? (Zane :) Cheers Don
Re: Tuesday night meeting...
David, you are a gentleman and a scholar :-) Thank you, Zane David Lowe wrote: I can bring a projector; sorry no screen but the wall is good ;-) - David -Original Message- From: Zane Gilmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2008 12:45 a.m. To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Subject: Re: Tuesday night meeting... Ahem, I appear to have done it again. excuseThis job was really given to me at the worst possible time /excuse If anybody has access to one I would appreciate it if you could bring a projector tomorrow. However I will attempt to get a hold of one that I think may do the job. With chagrin, Zane Don Gould wrote: Is someone bringing a projector and screen tomorrow? (Zane :) Cheers Don
OT- funny
Something to lighten the afternoon. During our searching thru the .nz net this was discovered: http://www.org.nz -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Address: Level 1, 93 Manchester St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : New Zealand Search Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
OT: Internet outage?
Did any one else notice an internet outage around 11:a.m. today? -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Address: Level 1, 93 Manchester St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : New Zealand Search Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
Re: Troubleshooting Samba
John Carter wrote: On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, yuri wrote: snip For linux to linux mounts I use nfs. Simpler. I disagree completely. If you have multiple users on your network then the UIDs have to be consistent across ALL machines using the NFS sharing. If they aren't then the permission hell you can get into is vicious. I have been a victim of this so many time now that I will only ever use sshfs or fish. Smb doesn't have the NFS probs either so could be better. Regards, Zane -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : New Zealand Search Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
Meeting next Tuesday
Sorry for the late notice: On Tuesday 11th March The St. Albans Neighbourhood Resource Centre, 1047 Colombo Street St. Albans. http://www.zoomin.co.nz/?search/indextype=ADDRESSq=1047%20Colombo%20Street%2C%20St%20Albans%2C%20Christchurch Derek Smithies has kindly agreed to a do a quick demo of how to produce a custom boot disk. He says that this will not take up the whole evening so I also suggest a discussion of future subjects for CLUG meetings. Other than that we can just enjoy a geeky get-together :-) There will be the usual tea and bikkies and a $2 cover charge See you there Regards Zane P.S. I heard rumour that Rik can't bring his projector anymore so if anybody can provide one we would be grateful. If the rumour was wrong Rik could you please let me know. -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : New Zealand Search Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
Re: The next CLUG meeting
Lee Begg wrote: snip Was that hint aimed at me? If you went to the LCA then it was :-) When is the next meeting? By my calculations it is on the Tues 11 March So can you do a wee rundown on some of the highlights? Later Lee -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : New Zealand Search Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
The next CLUG meeting
Seeing as though I have inherited the job and we are now only 2 weeks out. I thought I had better see if we can get someone to speak on something. Suggestions are welcome but volunteers are reeally welcome. If we can't sort something out then I suppose it will be a fix-up evening and a chin-wag. If you have done something interesting and Linux-related recently then we want to hear about it. E.g. maybe you went to the LCA hint hint
Re: presentation about super computing
This sounds very cool. Perhaps we could also get one of the technical guys to speak as well. I've often thought that a CLUG visit to the HITLab might be quite good too. Adrian Mageanu wrote: Hi, This afternoon NZCS had Peter Helms as guest speaker giving a presentation about the Blue Fern project at Canterbury University. Peter Helms is the director of the Blue Fern project. The presentation was very interesting. There is a general knowledge that the biggest High Performance Computer (HPC) in Australasia is in Christchurch but was instructive to have an insight of what type of projects are run on it and what is it used for. It came as a surprise to me that both Blue Gene and the p575, the two super-computers that make the HPC architecture there, are running a linux kernel. Peter told me that they are keen to talk to other interested audiences about what they do there and what their plans for the future are. I will only say that they are keen to get the community involved in this project. So if there is interest from CLUG I can ask Peter or, if the interest is more technical, one of the engineers working on the project - Peter is not a technical person - to talk about what High Performance Computing is, what it is used for and how it is used at CU. Let me know what you think. There is also a site visit at CU organised for the 17th of March. Registration for this event will be required so they know numbers and more details about this event will come soon on the NZCS website, keep an eye on the Canterbury events page at http://www.nzcs.org.nz/tools/events/default.asp?SECT=canterbury Cheers, Adrian _ This has been cleaned processed by www.rocketspam.co.nz _ -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : New Zealand Search Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
Re: slightly OT - child process control
I would have thought that you would want to restrict the user input inside the program you are calling. Maybe some method of rewriting the Linux keymap then restoring it on exit. But I don't know much about that. You would need safeguards to handle crashes etc though. :-) As for limiting the windowing stuff... dunno Good luck, Zane Aidan Gauland wrote: Hello, First of all: if there is someone on this list, who knows of a general Linux programmers mailing list, then please tell me about it. Now the question: I know there's some standard C function for executing a program, but I want to, from within my C program, execute a program, but restricting the user's input to that program. That probably isn't very clear, but I'm trying to make a child-safe kiosk-like program, so maybe that will make my question a little clearer. -Aidan _ This has been cleaned processed by www.rocketspam.co.nz _ -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : New Zealand Search Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
Re: Zipping data in a C++ application
Write it to a file then run zip over it then send the file. see man zip Don't forget that you can run command-line programs from within a program. Tom Munro Glass wrote: I'm developing a C++ application using Qt 4 as the primary library. I have a large block of data in a memory stream and I need to zip it prior to sending it via a socket to a Windows client application. Qt doesn't have support for zip, so I'm wondering how to go about doing this - any suggestions? Thanks Tom Munro Glass _ This has been cleaned processed by www.rocketspam.co.nz _ -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : New Zealand Search Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
Re: Quote of the day
I think that this was quite funny too: quote And I never could get my head around The Gimp’s deeply-nested popup menus. (Apparently they are optimised for viewing through the zippered eyes-holes of a leather mask.) /quote You gotta laugh, it doesn't do to be too precious about these things :-/ Roy Britten wrote: From http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2007/12/20/verity_stob_software_murder/ Python is a programming language of supposedly amazing powers that enables geeks to have fierce, religious arguments about nothing at all, which they call 'significant whitespace'. _ This has been cleaned processed by www.rocketspam.co.nz _ -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : New Zealand Search Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
Re: Apache. Was: Re: Wiki Software
Steve Holdoway wrote: Couldn't agree more. The bottleneck on any web server *should* be the connection speed to the internet. With my ADSL connection, I'm throttled to 768Kbit ( yeah right! ) bandwidth - say 10Kbyte/sec. Most serial ports can comfortably deliver that, but it's more than enough to demonstrate demo software to prospective clients ( and I'm running apache as a vmware client, along with a mail server in another, and clustered oracle database servers in 2 more on that server! ) . Even my production sites are only delivering at about 2Mbit peak - 200 - 250 KByte/sec is still nothing with ( the system bottleneck of ) disks capable of 100 to 200 times that performance, even though the server's a couple of years old now. rantwhy are they logging all this stuff to the database - we've got system logs, webserver logs, Because system logs don't always record what we want to record we're using google analytics for free, so why must we have *yet another* level of logging? see above Why can't developers just develop and deliver reliable, tested code instead of trying to fix life, the universe, and the kitchen sink as well! Spoken like a true sysadmin. :-) But my experience is that code is often badly tested because those who are paying for the development would have to pay a similar amount (often more) to test the code as develop it in the first place. So if you are developing software for a hospital machine that might kill someone if it goes wrong then it is worth it but if you are developing a CMS based site for a Pot Plant Holder warehouse (random e.g.) then it probably isn't. Time for a valium... (: Have one for me too :-/ Steve snip -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : New Zealand Search Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
Re: Linux coverage on Stuff
Nick Rout wrote: snip I agree with Chris H's post and Roy's assessment of it. The standard of technical writing in the media is dismal. The standard of English writing ability amongst geeks (i.e. to a newspaper/magazine standard) is dismal. Lets bring the standard up, rather than moan about it. cool, I'm looking forward to your article :-) -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : New Zealand Search Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
Re: XML Editors?
Any old text editor should do. I've found kate to do at least syntax highlighting. Although there is a KDE XML editor called... KXML Editor surprisingly. I haven't done much with it as it's not all that good for largish xml files ( 200MB) I have found that I usually either create a program to output XML which I then check with XMLLint (part of a package called XMLtools IIRC) and a dtd that I write to define the XML or I am just using other peoples XML for a particular job, in which case I'm probably not going to be editing it. Wesley Parish wrote: Does anyone have any war stories about Linux FOSS XML editors? (I'm teaching myself XML, and need a validating XML editor for Linux.) Furthermore, this would make a good topic for next year's CLUG meetings. Wesley Parish -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : New Zealand Search Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
Re: New Members
Jamie McCloskey wrote: snip I made a new thread, to avoid getting too off-topic on the previous one. err... No you didn't. You hit reply to a message in this thread and replaced the the subject line. That will not create a new thread. You need to Create a new email from scratch to start a new thread. -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : Your map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
Re: Microsoft letter todays Christchurch Press re Open XML
The NZ Open Source Society has been fighting this stuff for a while. Initially MS tried to patent the formats spoken about in that open letter. There are a few good sites detailing the falsity of Microsoft's claims e.g. http://ooxmlisdefectivebydesign.blogspot.com/ and http://blogs.sun.com/korn/entry/massachusetts_open_document_and_accessibility also seems quite good The letter in the Press today seems incredible. MS claim that OOXML will: Protect our heritage Provide choice Secure our future Foster innovation Utterly unbelievable that they are making claims they know are at the core of the objections being raised against them. It seems that they think that by claiming something which is the opposite of the truth they can convince people that it is true. ...trouble is people will believe them, because it is Microsoft saying it. Steve Holdoway wrote: Sorry, at it again. Searching for anything relevant finds http://www.stuff.co.nz/4182703a28.html Critics urge rejection of Microsoft open format on reuters. Maybe the two are related? Steve On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:06:42 +1200 Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:45:09 +1200 Ross Drummond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was intrigued to find an open letter from Microsoft addressed To all New Zealanders on page C5 of todays Christchurch Press. It urges Standards New Zealand to support the ISO ratification of Open XML standard. Can anyone send me a scan? I'm nowhere near a paper shop. I feel the need to reply. Cheers Ross Drummond I note from the letter that Microsoft's Christchurch office is one floor above my ISP. I hope that the Microsofties are taking precautions against the evil emanations from the Debian boxes on the floor below. ... and your isp'ers are wearing tin hats (: Steve _ This has been cleaned processed by www.rocketspam.co.nz _ -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : Your map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
Re: Microsoft letter todays Christchurch Press re Open XML
Carl Cerecke wrote: On second reading, they have been extremely careful in their choice of words. About the only firm contestable statement they make as fact is Supporting Open XML as an ISO standard is a good thing for New Zealand. The rest of the statements are either trivially true, or We believe/We urge drivel. AFAICT The NZ law says that it only has to be misleading. Even if only the words we believe are used then it can still be deemed to be misleading. IANAL however my 2c Zane -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : Your map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
Re: OTish: Re: Distro war - should we have one?
Steve Holdoway wrote: snip I think there's also a philosophical question here as well, especially with your example. My feeling is that samba = sharing = more than one person accessing the information = you should invest time into understanding exactly what you're doing because you're not the only person involved any more. So maybe it shouldn't just work, but the exercise of getting it working gives you more of an understanding of what you're actually doing. Now I'm sure that won't be a popular view (: Spoken like a true sysadmin :-/ and although what you say is mostly true, we still need to make it a more straight-forward process that of getting access to other machines on home networks. There must be a way of easily and securely providing that functionality to people who are not network engineers. -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : Your map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
Re: Future of Monthly Meetings? (R rated (: )
Keep it seemly Steve :-/ IMO The only people that pictures like that will attract is teenage boys... and their ilk It certainly will not attract the female audience that we are supposedly trying to get. Steve Holdoway wrote: Or even... http://florchakh.com/2007/08/15/ubuntu-girl-spread-the-linux-with-a-chick.html On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:30:46 +1200 Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just tacking on to the end of the thread How about something like the LoCo concept? If the UK only needs one team, then maybe we should look to expand from C to SI? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto Steve On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:44:35 +1200 Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/15/07, Ross Drummond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS The dim power lead for the router has disappeared. Could some kind person search their carton of computer stuff and provide a replacement. Yes. -- Sincerely etc. Christopher Sawtell
Re: CLUG Funds and SFD donation (was something else)
Count me in for $25 too. I do think that we should support adverts for the SFD in the Press. But not in some random place but rather in the technology pages as that is where our demographic is likely to be reading. Just putting an advert in some random place in the paper eg in the fashion section or the sports section is going to be a monumental waste of money. my 2c (or $25 (-: ) Zane Nick Rout wrote: Don Gould wrote: David Kirk wrote: ...there must be better uses for this money than donating it to the Press. I agree. Some posters put up around the place and flyers would have just as much impact. ~$20 can go a long way. Who is the target market? There must be better ways we can get to the limited number of people that come to these things. 10c Cheers Don How about a pledge system? Rik needs $300-400 - say $350.00 (don't forget he is feeding in other money too). How about we aim to contribute up to half of the $350.00 from CLUG funds and half from pledges, dollar for dollar. So if we get $175 in pledges CLUG contributes $175, and the target is met. If we get $200 in pledges CLUG contributes $150 to make up to the target. If we only get $100 in pledges CLUG only contributes the same, ie $100. I'll start by pledging $25.00, and I 'll fix up a page on the wiki for pledges to be recorded, once a couple of other people have supported the idea. _ This has been cleaned processed by www.rocketspam.co.nz _ -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : Your map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
Re: === Meeting Tomorrow - 14 August 2007 ===
Nick Rout wrote: snip Yes I know that there is more than that amount in the kitty, but we must remember that currently the CLUG exercise is gently depleting the bank account each meeting. Then that must stop e.g. This evening's takings covered the cost of the hall hire by just a single dollar, but did not cover the cost of the bikkies or tea. If the meetings aren't covering themselves then we must make sure they do cover themselves. Maybe we need to advertise ... :-/ What is the money there for anyway? We don't really want to hoard it for anything do we? I think we should be prepared to put $350 into the advertising. I agree (assuming we have that in the kitty :-) ) Has anyone done the bean counting lately? -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : Your map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
VPN problem
After much shagging around I am at my wits end (a short but eventful stroll :-) ) I am trying to get a Cisco VPN client going. Compilation and installation appeared to go well giving no errors. I installed the supplied magic file in the indicated directory and tried to connect. All I got after typing: vpnclient connect tel_broadband was: sample output Cisco Systems VPN Client Version 4.8.00 (0490) Copyright (C) 1998-2005 Cisco Systems, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Client Type(s): Linux Running on: Linux 2.6.17-12-generic #2 SMP Mon Jul 16 19:37:58 UTC 2007 i686 Config file directory: /etc/opt/cisco-vpnclient Initializing the VPN connection. Initiating TCP to XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX, port NNN Contacting the gateway at XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX Secure VPN Connection terminated locally by the Client Reason: Remote peer is no longer responding. There are no new notification messages at this time. /sample output (ip numbers XXX and port numbers NNN changed to protect the innocent) After much fiddling with my firewall opening up the necessary ports, doing the pass-through thing etc I am still getting the same thing. According to my ADSL modem manual I have things set up correctly. Google tells me that some people have had problems with this VPN client and some have not. Either way there is not a whole lot of info that I can find. (its actual executable is vpnclient) Has anyone had much experience with this Cisco thing before? Tips on where to look are also welcome. Cheers, Zane
Re: VPN problem
Vik Olliver wrote: On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 22:43 +1200, Zane Gilmore wrote: Initializing the VPN connection. Initiating TCP to XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX, port NNN Contacting the gateway at XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX Are you sure you want a TCP connection? I've been using UDP. No, I'm not sure about anything, but I am only trying to get this damn connection going for my partner. Her company has supplied this software and they claim it has worked in the past. But I will now ensure that everything on my modem/router is handling UDP as well. Thanks for another line of inquiry. -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : Your map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
Re: VPN problem
Steve Holdoway wrote: snip However, it's compiled for an amd k9, and is version 4.7.00.0640. I remember it wingeing about the amd bit, but working. Do you want to try it? It's just under 2MB. I'll give it a go thanks -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : Your map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
Re: Advice on building PC?
To give advice to an inexperienced person that they don't need static straps while handling computer componentry is IMO absolutely irresponsible. When handling computer boards and components one should *always* keep themselves grounded or they will risk damaging their hardware. And for most jobs it is quite difficult to do this without a static strap. It is true that modern componentry has protection circuit to *minimise* damage, it is just that minimise. It is very difficult for protection circuitry to completely protect delicate digital components. We should not be advising lack of static precautions to anybody for DIY computer assembly. my 2c Zane Steve Holdoway wrote: ...not in the last 20 years, no. Just ground yourself on the case before plugging anything else in. Steve On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:51:08 +1200 Christopher D Maher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody actually use anti static wrist straps? CM Entrepreneur Pieroth Wine Executive XBox 360 freak! www.myspace.com/agent_mcgee -Original Message- From: Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Sent: 8/3/07 1:37 PM Subject: Re: Advice on building PC? On 8/2/07, Gauland, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My fifteen-year-old son's running Ubuntu on a old eMac, and would like to switch to an x86 machine. He wants to roll his own, rather than purchase a ready-built machine. This isn't something I've ever done, so I'm looking for advice on going about this. IMHO, others may disagree, The best bang-for-buck is probably found by buying an ~3 year old ex-lease machine, and then adding a bigger disk, should that be desired. Sorry, but while the 'buy a kit of parts' has educational value, it's not necessarily more economical. If you go the assemble yourself route, remember that the value of an anti-static wrist strap exceeds its price by at lease two orders of magnitude. Should he buy a second-hand machine to start with, so he test each component as he upgrades it? What does he need to consider to be sure he can upgrade everything easily? It depends on the budget more than anything, can you mention a vague figure? Just don't buy a totally non-mainstream machine. Asus make good motherboards which run Linux well, as do many other manufacturers. The You get what you pay for rule applies. nVidea video cards go better under Linux than ATI ones. _ This has been cleaned processed by www.rocketspam.co.nz _ -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : Your map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
Re: Installest SFD T-shirts
Put me down for one Rik, Cheers, Zane Rik Tindall wrote: Offer expiring.. Hi all, Re: http://www.softwarefreedomday.org Would anyone wanting one of these T-shirts for the weekend of 15-16 September, who hasn't already, please let me know before Tuesday? After then (team registration deadline) the unit cost of $20 per T will double. This is a really fun and relaxed way for us, CLUG, to run a *nix fest. You are all most welcome to be a part of it. http://www.linux.com/feature/118245 + http://www.installfest.org - Be there or be [] :) Kind regards, Rik Tindall _ This has been cleaned processed by www.rocketspam.co.nz _ -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : Your map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
Re: Confused file system
From the command-line you should be able to wrap the name in quotes and have your way with it. Kerry Mayes wrote: One of my music rippers has created a directory with the unfortunate file name of: The Platinum Collection (disc 1: Greatest Hits I) It is on a usb drive formatted as ntfs and this was most likely created while connected to my laptop. It is currently connected to a windows server. I can neither get into this directory, rename it, or delete it! Any ideas on how I can get rid of it? Kerry. _ This has been cleaned processed by www.rocketspam.co.nz _ -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : Your map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
Re: CLUG Installfest SFD
This looks like an event worth supporting. I will be going to help out with installs and question answering etc. This event is going to run all over the country so it will probably be something to remember. Regards, Zane Rik Tindall wrote: Hi all, Space is booked for CLUG to do its magic upon misc.Winboxen, Saturday 15 Sunday 16 September, afternoons; please mark diaries. The occasion being www.SoftwareFreedomDay.org, with a liveCD demo room and an open install space at our disposal. Demand is likely to be moderate. If you'd like an SFD T-shirt, as seen on the website, they cost AU$15 if ordered before the end on the month and AU$30 thereafter - send me your shirt size. Our current poster draft looks like this - www.infohelp.co.nz/sfd7 - all input welcome. Tonight, Weds 7.30 at the South Christchurch Library, 66 Colombo Street, Beckenham, is a chance to check out the SFD venue. Come along and help finalise the plans. This meeting is a also for newcomers to get hands-on experience of a GNU/Linux computer, and to ask questions about our favorite operating system. Do join the fun! Thanks, Rik
Re: Reminder: CLUG Installfest SFD
No I haven't forgotten, Just having trouble with time as usual. Rik Tindall wrote: Zane forgot to attach his endorsement of this event, on behalf of NZOSS.org, so here 'tis: We're keen to see some enhanced action around FOSS, so feel free to put your boot into this heart-starter. Hi all, Space is booked for CLUG to do its magic upon misc.Winboxen, Saturday 15 Sunday 16 September, afternoons; please mark diaries. The occasion being www.SoftwareFreedomDay.org, with a liveCD demo room and an open install space at our disposal. Demand is likely to be.. greater with more advertising. (and a functional clug.org.nz / clug.net.nz ?) If you'd like an SFD T-shirt, as seen on the website, they cost AU$15 if ordered before the end of the month and AU$30 thereafter - send me your shirt size please. (4 so far.) Our current poster draft looks like this - www.infohelp.co.nz/sfd7 - all input welcome. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Tonight, Weds 7.30 at the South Christchurch Library, 66 Colombo Street, Beckenham, is a chance to check out the SFD venue. Come along and help *make* the plans. This meeting is also for newcomers to get hands-on experience of a GNU/Linux computer, and to ask questions about our favorite operating system. Do join the fun! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Thanks regards, Rik
annoying sound
I went to listen to my (legal) music just now and discovered that there a sound recurring in a reasonably random way. It sounds like a dripping tap and it happens at a random interval between approx 1 second to about 10 seconds. This makes listening to music impossible. Can anyone think of a way of tracking down it's source? Cheers, Zane -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : Your map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
Re: annoying sound
Brett Davidson wrote: snip I am assuming that you've stopped playing the music and confirmed that it is your computer making the sound rather than a portend of an expensive plumbing bill? ;-) I assume that my co-workers would have mentioned something :-/ -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : Your map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
Re: annoying sound
Nick Rout wrote: On Tue, July 17, 2007 2:27 pm, Zane Gilmore wrote: I went to listen to my (legal) music just now and discovered that there a sound recurring in a reasonably random way. It sounds like a dripping tap and it happens at a random interval between approx 1 second to about 10 seconds. This makes listening to music impossible. Can anyone think of a way of tracking down it's source? Cheers, Zane what are you listening on? computer? ipod/mp3 player? you have the band in your office? Assuming computer, does it make the same sound using different player software? Yes on my desktop computer running Kubuntu and some very hungry scripts. As it turned out one of the scripts I had written to do some DB manipulation finished what it was doing then the dripping tap stopped. My script was using all of the CPU it could get it hands on and was using hundreds of megs of RAM. When it finished so did the dripping tap... spooky The script had nothing to do with the sound system it was just a Python script. I don't have much of a clue what the hell it could have been... maybe some sort of resource alert? It was very irritating Zane -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 943 5447 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : Your map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ __
Re: GRUB fix
Bring it in, there's sure to be someone... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The guys at Dove appeared to have found the power supply problem but not fully fixed GRUB or the partioning / data transfer to the new expanded hard drive...they are still trying to figure things out...but clearly they are not linux trained. Is there a kind soul who would be prepared to take a look at my PC at the CLUG meeting tonight to at least try to get it to boot correctly? If Dove are unable to fully transfer my linux data by the end of work today does anyone know of a place / someone in town who can connect to the removed hard drive to extract data from it? (I have the original hard drive which did work, though Dove says it has a problem). Cheers Ralph Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thanks for the reply Steve. I have't been able to follow through with your recommendations as yet as my pC is still experiencing un-expected power downs and freezes...so it appears that the hard drive was not at fault as Dove diagnosed!! I did manage to get a live Knoppix to run for a few minutes and identify some of the partitions. I presume the root device you list item 3. would be my hdc1 windows NTFS partition? Cheers Ralph Quoting Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1. Boot off a live linux cd 2. mkdir /target 3. mount /dev/root-device /target 4. (if you've got a separate boot device ) mount /dev/boot-device /target/boot 5. chroot /target /bin/bash 6. grub grub root hd(0,0) [ assuming first partition - adjust the second 0 accorgingly ] grub setup hd(0,0) grub exit 7. exit 8. init 6 Should do it. grub allows for tab completion if you are unsure where your boot device is. There is a grub-install command on some distros, but I still don't trust it... hth, Steve On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:28:57 +1200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just had the nice guys at Dove Electronics replace a faulty hard drive for me. In the process they upgraded from 80 to 250gb and expanded the partitions (only the M$ ones as they were using Norton Ghost and couldn't do anything with the Linux formatted ones). My original hard drive used GRUB to dual boot. Now when I turn on I first get the F2 (setup) and F12 (multiboot screen and then it goes to a big black screen with 'GRUB' in top left corner and stops. Clearly GRUB has lost its reference to the partitions..can anybody offer a solution to getting it working again? _ This has been cleaned processed by www.rocketspam.co.nz _ -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 365 2336 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : The definitive map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ Join our monthly Internet marketing newsletter at: http://www.avatar.co.nz/newsletter.html Do you have a problem with email spam and viruses? Check out: http://www.rocketspam.co.nz/ __
Re: == July Meeting 10 July 2007 ==
Christopher Sawtell wrote: Greetings to the List. The next meeting is on Tuesday 10th July. That's this very next Tuesday in just a couple of days. Zane Gilmore is going to be expounding on connecting a PostgreSQL database to a web server. Zane might care to expand the cryptic one liner in a follow-up posting Errrm... I am working on the talk right now and it will be a geeky extravaganza on PHP coding, what it is etc, then adding a database backend. Playing around with form handling then a discussion on some of the security issues of PHP coding. Although this talk will not be a very advanced dicussion in general, hopefully it will at least be entertaining. There will, very probably, be lots of opportunity to correct me on points of security and sysadmin-type stuff ( cos I find it boring and hard work :-/ ) I know for a fact that many of you will enjoy that :-) I will be using my own laptop. Rick, will you be bringing your projector? If so what are the likely issues with trying to get said projector going on a laptop. I believe that getting things going on 1024X768 is often the issue. Regards, Zane
Re: Ben Devine
That is very very good news! I was very worried and thought that no news was bad news. I look forward to seeing some more snide comments from him soon on the list :-) Zane Robert Fisher wrote: I have it on good authority that Ben Devine, although still in hospital, is improving and has probably not suffered any permanent mental dissability. I know that many list members will be pleased to know this. Robert _ This has been cleaned processed by www.rocketspam.co.nz _ -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 365 2336 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : The definitive map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ Join our monthly Internet marketing newsletter at: http://www.avatar.co.nz/newsletter.html Do you have a problem with email spam and viruses? Check out: http://www.rocketspam.co.nz/ __
CLUG wiki problem
There appears to be a problem with the CLUG wiki It's giving this error message: Fatal Error: lib/WikiDB/backend/PearDB.php:851: Error[256]: wikidb_backend_peardb_mysql: fatal database error * DB Error: not locked * (SELECT sess_data FROM clug_session WHERE sess_id='87f0cdb6a764a23928145238f1f4f267' [nativecode=1100 ** Table 'clug_session' was not locked with LOCK TABLES]) * lib/DbSession.php:149: Notice[8]: Only variables should be assigned by reference
Re: [Fwd: Problems in PMDF Mailserv command processing]
I have sent a message to him via linux-users-owner at ... Theoretically this should be set to his email address. IIRC the email address on the Wiki (when it is going) is the linux-users-owner address. If it isn't then I will send a message to him. I don't know whether he wants me to out him on the list. Although he is a Linux user I don't know whether he wants his name and email address published etc. Nick Rout wrote: On Thu, June 28, 2007 2:44 pm, Christopher Sawtell wrote: On 6/28/07, Matthew Whiting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can someone who has these powers please unsubscribe me from the list, as i am unable to do this myself using mailserv commands Please click on the following mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ?body= is an a useful but non standard extension to the mailto: url standard. In other words it doesn't work in every mail client. Easier to say send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message (not the subject). But it sounds like Matt has already done that. Now where is that email about the new mailing list manager guy now that Zane isn't it any more? When someone finds his name, lets put it in the wiki! -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 365 2336 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : The definitive map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ Join our monthly Internet marketing newsletter at: http://www.avatar.co.nz/newsletter.html Do you have a problem with email spam and viruses? Check out: http://www.rocketspam.co.nz/ __
Re: Advice for a Windows user
KDE's Konqueror does that in file-manager mode or just by pressing F9. I am also told that Nautilus can do it too but I don't know how to make it so. Roy Britten wrote: On 28/06/07, Roy Britten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A chap I know misses the Windows Explorer interface when he's on a linux box. You know the sort of thing -- a split pane with an expanding/collapsing directory tree on the left and a file list on the right. I just use plain old nautilus and don't know of any appropriate file managers. What should I suggest to him? Clarification: he's using RHEL. That's a KDE desktop, right? Roy. _ This has been cleaned processed by www.rocketspam.co.nz _ -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 365 2336 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : The definitive map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ Join our monthly Internet marketing newsletter at: http://www.avatar.co.nz/newsletter.html Do you have a problem with email spam and viruses? Check out: http://www.rocketspam.co.nz/ __
error in Thunderbird
Has anybody else had the problem in Thunderbird while trying to view the
source of an email message a pop-up dialog appears with:
dialog contents
XML Parsing Error: not well-formed
Location: chrome://global/content/viewSource.xul
Line Number 2, Column 1:
{
/dialog contents
It's very irritating as Google has been particularly unhelpful and what
the heck is the chrome protocol I thought chrome was a mozilla skin?
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Re: new recipient address?
Did you get my earlier post? Apparently there was an upgrade... need I say more? Kerry Mayes wrote: Aah, must be fixed now. On 21/06/07, Kerry Mayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And how can we identify list mail now? On 21/06/07, Chris AKA personthingy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey what gives? the recipient address has changed from linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz to Recipients removed: ; Has some-one done some tweaking? Is this a permanent change, and do i therefore need to change my filter settings or no? _ This has been cleaned processed by www.rocketspam.co.nz _ -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 365 2336 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : The definitive map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ Join our monthly Internet marketing newsletter at: http://www.avatar.co.nz/newsletter.html Do you have a problem with email spam and viruses? Check out: http://www.rocketspam.co.nz/ __
SQL and PHP
I am giving a talk about SQL and possibly PHP at the next CLUG meeting. In an attempt to provide what people want, could you give me some indication of what you want to hear about? I can sound convincing on these topics: - SQL (MySQL and postgres) - PHP - The joining of the two. - database design - and now I've done a bit I could probably muddle through with Python What I was thinking was just a description of a few simple PHP scripts hooked up to a very simple database to describe the basic principles of how a PHP site with a database works. Does that sound interesting or really boring? Regards, Zane
Re: ssh ignoring first password
I must apologise for not replying to these suggestions, Thanks for the suggestions but I have not had much opportunity to follow them up. Will try to get onto it soon. This is not really a machine that I have a great deal of control over (or want a great deal of control over) but I do have root and will have a rummage around. Cheers guys, Zane Matthew Gregan wrote: At 2007-06-11T11:49:50+1200, Zane Gilmore wrote: Any ssh login ignores the first password entry. We have now got into the habit of pressing enter before entering the password. Firstly, you should be using public key authentication, not passwords. The first port of call when debugging an ssh problem is to use the verbose logging option on the client (-v through -vvv) to see what's going on. Next, check if sshd is logging anything after the first failed password authentication attempt. You might need to turn up the log verbosity in sshd_config to get enough information. Cheers, -mjg
Re: SQL and PHP
Nick Rout wrote: snip It sounds like the same talk you gave last year. I have never given a talk about PHP or programming (except that Perl 10 min thing) Last year was about database design and SQL .. (I don't think you were there Nick.) I thought I would just continue on and apply some of the DB stuff to a program as some people expressed an interest in that at the time.
Re: SQL and PHP
Nick Rout wrote: you probably covered the SQL and database design parts before. apologies, in future I will try to be more specific :-/ Why not continue from where you left off, and take the database you designed last time and take it further? Make a web based front end for it or something. That is what I had in mind. I am just a little fearful (embarrassingly) that I can't find the blasted code I wrote to produce the DB. Looking forward to it, but hope not to see the same thing again. Perhaps a very brief review of the last presentation? righto Up to you though, your presentation. yessir, thank you Mister Rout sir! :-P -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 365 2336 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : The definitive map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ Join our monthly Internet marketing newsletter at: http://www.avatar.co.nz/newsletter.html Do you have a problem with email spam and viruses? Check out: http://www.rocketspam.co.nz/ __
Re: SQL and PHP
Nick Rout wrote: On Tue, June 19, 2007 2:18 pm, Zane Gilmore wrote: Nick Rout wrote: That is what I had in mind. I am just a little fearful (embarrassingly) that I can't find the blasted code I wrote to produce the DB. You can get it from clug.org.nz (under past presentations, you upped a tarball) :-D -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 365 2336 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : The definitive map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ Join our monthly Internet marketing newsletter at: http://www.avatar.co.nz/newsletter.html Do you have a problem with email spam and viruses? Check out: http://www.rocketspam.co.nz/ __
ssh ignoring first password
We have an irritating little problem on one of our servers. Any ssh login ignores the first password entry. We have now got into the habit of pressing enter before entering the password. Has anybody ever struck this before? :ssh -V OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-8, OpenSSL 0.9.8c 05 Sep 2006 -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 365 2336 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : The definitive map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ Join our monthly Internet marketing newsletter at: http://www.avatar.co.nz/newsletter.html Do you have a problem with email spam and viruses? Check out: http://www.rocketspam.co.nz/ __
Re: Why I went back to Mepis
Robert Fisher wrote: snip Ubuntu / Kubuntu Kernel update caused heaps of problems including failure to boot. There is a thread about this (but still no fix) on Ubuntu forums which is, at last look, at least 48 pages long. Hmm I suppose I should have looked at the forums too. I had a booting problem on installing a fresh Feisty I tried to to do fancy things with separate partitions for home etc as I usually try to do but Feisty would have none of it and would not boot for anything except a one partition reformat of the whole drive. Seems to work now but that was a bit irritating. -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 365 2336 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : The definitive map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ Join our monthly Internet marketing newsletter at: http://www.avatar.co.nz/newsletter.html Do you have a problem with email spam and viruses? Check out: http://www.rocketspam.co.nz/ __
Re: digest version?
rant That would require that this list is run on something other than a steam-driven piece of software running on VMS. /rant ahem I tried to get this list running on something decent for years but between me and the sysadmins it never seemed to happen. The guy looking after the list now needs to be talked into it. (Brendon are you reading this?) We came close to it at one point but never quite eventuated. Regards, Zane Matthew Whiting wrote: is there a digest option available for this list i.e. just one email per day? cheers Matt _ This has been cleaned processed by www.rocketspam.co.nz _ -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 365 2336 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : The definitive map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ Join our monthly Internet marketing newsletter at: http://www.avatar.co.nz/newsletter.html Do you have a problem with email spam and viruses? Check out: http://www.rocketspam.co.nz/ __
Re: Thank you
Volker Kuhlmann wrote: On Mon 14 May 2007 16:30:57 NZST +1200, Nick Rout wrote: mount -t smbfs -o username=robert,password=* //server/public /home/robert/server/public or by having a line in fstab. many people prefer -t cifs ... because it is the only thing which works these days... (and has been for some time). However, just recently, I had a few problems with permissions on a CIFS connection. When I changed to smbfs it all worked. The ownership of the share refused to change to something other than the UID of the owner of the directory on the directory on the server. -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 365 2336 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : The definitive map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ Join our monthly Internet marketing newsletter at: http://www.avatar.co.nz/newsletter.html Do you have a problem with email spam and viruses? Check out: http://www.rocketspam.co.nz/ __
Thank you (was: fish: protocol for Firefox?)
Occasionally being on this list really pays off :-) I had never heard of fish (except a vague recollection from the deep past) It looks very very useful. Thank you. Zane Jim Cheetham wrote: On 12/05/07, Phill Coxon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's not even any any discussions in google I can find about why a equivalent fish: plugin is not available or possible for firefox etc. I'm not sure quite what the right name for them is, but fish is a desktop-environment-specific virtual filesystem; it's specific to KDE. (Yes, there are real differences between KDE and GNOME and everything else) However, there is an interesting kernel module called FUSE (Filesystems in User Space, IIRC), that provides a similar general-purpose virtual filesystem interface, and on top of that is sshfs - something that achieves the same end-result as fish. sshfs allows you to mount a remote filesystem onto a local directory, where the only communication between the two ends is an ssh session. Nothing needs to be installed at the far end (same as with fish). The difference really lies in that fish provides a URI notation and is essentially stateless for the end user, and sshfs needs you to intervene to mount a filesystem and therefore the state is visible to the user. On the other hand, sshfs provides a resource that can be used by any application on your system, seamlessly. -jim _ This has been cleaned processed by www.rocketspam.co.nz _ -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 365 2336 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : The definitive map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ Join our monthly Internet marketing newsletter at: http://www.avatar.co.nz/newsletter.html Do you have a problem with email spam and viruses? Check out: http://www.rocketspam.co.nz/ __
Re: M$ FUD or Patent Armageddon Now?
John Carter wrote: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/ More of the same M$ FUD, or are we heading for Patent Law Armageddon Now And what should our response in NZ be? I thought that was a very balanced and informative article. Or, at least, as balanced as these things usually get. It's so good I may use it to inform managers of FOSS. I think that it captures the state of things quite well. And as for what we should be doing here in NZ? Keep an eye on any new IP legislation and talk to MPs about it. Try to explain what is going on to reporters. Even though they often seem to try to simplify things too far so the masses can understand. When all they do is dumb things down to the point where the described issue becomes meaningless. A case in point being that story on Close Up with that guy with the big mo. He did a story on Open Source but it ended up being a story about collaborative music and movie making. my $0.02, Zane -- __ Zane Gilmore: Analyst/Programmer Cellphone: 0276 319 206 Telephone: +64-3 365 2336 Facsimile: +64-3 379 4886 Address: Level 1, 179 Tuam St, Christchurch, New Zealand Post: PO Box 13300, Christchurch 8011, New Zealand NZS.com : The definitive map of New Zealand Web space Web: http://www.nzs.com/ Join our monthly Internet marketing newsletter at: http://www.avatar.co.nz/newsletter.html Do you have a problem with email spam and viruses? Check out: http://www.rocketspam.co.nz/ __
