Re: CLUG meetings
On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 10:35:31 +1200, Volker Kuhlmann list0...@paradise.net.nz wrote: On Sat 10 Jul 2010 12:42:43 NZST +1200, Daniel Hill wrote: Some local *nix users meet on the first Wednesday of each month (i.e. tomorrow) at 7.30pm-9.30pm in the South Learning Centre at South Library on Colombo Street in Beckenham (use the rear door). Can some one confirm this? I though they canceled it? There is no CLUG. Those meetings one might have called CLUG meetings petered out due to lack of interest. Rik's meeting is something of his own doing entirely, if he says it takes place it probably will as he's running it. Volker Yes, 8 attended last Weds. A popular, low-key social event: Network suite on hand for online researches, unstructured technical discussions. All welcome. Very occasionally a Sydenham GNU/Linux meeting night is cancelled, but it is the St Albans meetings that have been permanently so and which Daniel is referring to. Cheers, Rik
Re: CLUG meetings
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Jim Cheetham j...@gonzul.net wrote: On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Daniel Hill daniel.h...@orcon.net.nz wrote: On 06/07/10 15:45, Rik Tindall wrote: Some local *nix users meet on the first Wednesday of each month (i.e. tomorrow) at 7.30pm-9.30pm in the South Learning Centre at South Library on Colombo Street in Beckenham (use the rear door). Rik Tindall Can some one confirm this? I though they canceled it? Rik *is* they in this context -- if he says that there is a meeting, there is one. He is the guy that goes to the effort of organising the venue and the meetings. However these meetings are not promoted as part of CLUG, I think because Rik's goals and those of most of CLUG were slightly different. Whether that is still true today I'm not so sure. -jim There is no clug :) http://lists.ethernal.org/oldarchives/cantlug-0301/msg00416.html
Re: CLUG meetings
On Sat 10 Jul 2010 12:42:43 NZST +1200, Daniel Hill wrote: Some local *nix users meet on the first Wednesday of each month (i.e. tomorrow) at 7.30pm-9.30pm in the South Learning Centre at South Library on Colombo Street in Beckenham (use the rear door). Can some one confirm this? I though they canceled it? There is no CLUG. Those meetings one might have called CLUG meetings petered out due to lack of interest. Rik's meeting is something of his own doing entirely, if he says it takes place it probably will as he's running it. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.
Re: CLUG meetings
On 06/07/10 15:45, Rik Tindall wrote: On 05/07/10 12:24, max podolian wrote: Hello everyone! Are there held any CLUG meetings? Best regards, Maksym Hello Maksym, Some local *nix users meet on the first Wednesday of each month (i.e. tomorrow) at 7.30pm-9.30pm in the South Learning Centre at South Library on Colombo Street in Beckenham (use the rear door). Regards, Rik Tindall Can some one confirm this? I though they canceled it?
Re: CLUG meetings
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Daniel Hill daniel.h...@orcon.net.nz wrote: On 06/07/10 15:45, Rik Tindall wrote: Some local *nix users meet on the first Wednesday of each month (i.e. tomorrow) at 7.30pm-9.30pm in the South Learning Centre at South Library on Colombo Street in Beckenham (use the rear door). Rik Tindall Can some one confirm this? I though they canceled it? Rik *is* they in this context -- if he says that there is a meeting, there is one. He is the guy that goes to the effort of organising the venue and the meetings. However these meetings are not promoted as part of CLUG, I think because Rik's goals and those of most of CLUG were slightly different. Whether that is still true today I'm not so sure. -jim
Re: CLUG meetings
On 05/07/10 12:24, max podolian wrote: Hello everyone! Are there held any CLUG meetings? Best regards, Maksym Hello Maksym, Some local *nix users meet on the first Wednesday of each month (i.e. tomorrow) at 7.30pm-9.30pm in the South Learning Centre at South Library on Colombo Street in Beckenham (use the rear door). Regards, Rik Tindall
CLUG meetings
Hello everyone! Are there held any CLUG meetings? Best regards, Maksym
Re: CLUG meetings
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 12:24 PM, max podolian max.podol...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone! Are there held any CLUG meetings? Best regards, Maksym There is a pub night once a month on the 17th. Usually at the Twisted Hop. I don't know if anyone actually attends?
Re: CLUG meetings
On Mon, July 5, 2010 12:31, Nick Rout wrote: There is a pub night once a month on the 17th. Usually at the Twisted Hop. I don't know if anyone actually attends? Usually only two or three of us are there. I wouldn't call it a CLUG meeting so much as get out of the house night. sV
St Albans Community Centre car park now open for CLUG meetings
I have been told to make sure it is locked after we finish with it. So you can park your cars there during the meeting. wesley Parish Sharpened hands are happy hands. Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands - A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot! I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press
Re: CLUG meetings: A future or not
Nick Rout wrote: Instead of asking the questions, make some suggestions! the purpose of this list is communication. Tell us what yo want Trev (sorry I didn't get a cahnce to chat to you the other night, but even if I did, you still need to tell the group what you want!) This is the place, and the chance to do it. I have not had much free time lately and have been waiting for things to move along on this before i had my say, but it seems to have died. Perhaps that's a symptom of were we are at!. I though i would stir things along a bit ;-). I would hope that one of the purposes of the CLUG is to promote Linux face to face with people, that cannot be done from this list. Meetings add a sense of belonging to a club, companionship, making friends, getting help, and to show that there is a Linux community here. Re: Dinner was great Michael wrote: having Linux meetings over dinner is hardly cheap and I would doubt its value. I wouldn't bother going myself. I like my meetings with a $2 doorcharge and the option to get your broken PC fixed up! There's the value. _ Perhaps the Geeks/People who don't want meetings at the hall could have _some/most_ of their get-togethers at a restaurant/cafe. The people who do want the meetings, Geeks, Newbies, Wanna-be's, and Others, have their meetings at the hall. Or have two parts to the meetings, half for Newbies, half for Geeks. If we don't have an elected committee, with monthly meetings, we/Linux don't appear to the public to be an organized 'here-to-stay' Linux system - Linux support group and have no credence. Also i agree with the formally proposal of the formation of the Canterbury Linux Community Trust. For all Window$ faults it has it over Linux when it comes to installing software as far as Ex Window$ Newbies are concerned. It was designed to be point and click and all in only one format, exe. When a Newbie is confronted with all the different Linux formats, distros, compiling... they are, not surprisingly, totally lost. We need meetings to show Linux to people interested in starting to use Linux. We need meetings to show howto install programs We need meetings to show howto use different programs We need meetings to show howto sort out hardware problems We need meetings to show tech talks (but not to tech most the time) We need meetings to have CDs of large programs, distro's, for sale/swap We need meetings to show howto install different distro's I think Installfests are great but maybe we need to change the way we do them. Installing is not that difficult when shown howto on the distros we use at the Installfests. Partitioning IMHO is one of the major hurdles for most people, X, sound, modems, can be others. When all the people have to bring their computers and each person gets an individual install, that's is a lot of work for a lot of people, takes up a lot of time and space. If we chose a selection of different hardware from the people who want Linux installed (say 10) and installed showing that to the relevant people would that work. I know there will be problems with some hardware, printers - scanners - modems, they can be sorted at the workshop meetings, as we do now. There must be other ways. Just some thoughts. And Douglas Royds wrote: The benefit of a formal installfest comes from the publicity it (i.e. we, the CLUG) generate - posters and emails and Hey, just bowl along with your PC do a lot more than just get people in to the installfest, they raise the Linux profile overall. Also, they sow the idea that there is a community here, and installing Linux is something anyone can do, as there is help available. Perhaps the installfest could be combined with John Carter's return to a computer expo that is actually fun. There are more people on the list than could make it to an AGM, even if we IRC it! So put your suggestions up here people! I have been in clubs where there are thousands of financially paid up members but only a few hundred turn up to the AGMs. Some cannot be there for good reasons, some forget, some are not interested in making changes, some are only interested in their own selfish ends and are not interested in helping in any way, but are the first to moan at the way things are being done. The ones that do turn up vote on the direction we take for the next year. All any club can only hope is that a good number and cross-section turns up. The people that can't make it could vote by email. On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 21:28:37+1300 Trev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There have been a lot of suggestions but no action! Dinner was great, but So what are we doing: Are we going to have an AGM this year ?. Are we going to elected a committee ?. Are we going to have _any meetings_ at all ?. Or are we _NOT_ going to have a Linux User Group with meetings at all ?. Installfests, workshops, tech talks: What direction we go
Re: CLUG meetings: A future or not
My $0.02 - As things currently stand we have a committee who primarily look after the small amount of money CLUG* has aquired, and the avenues through which that money is spent / aquired (read: meetings, workshops, installfests). This a valuable role (espeically as far as money is concerned, heh). And helpers need rounding up for installfests, speakers need rounding up for meetings, etc etc. But the group is really the mailing list. This is where people come for help, this is where decisions are usually made, this is where most discussions happen. Any off list activities are really just a semi-organised gathering of like minded people, who organised something and invited people via a common mailing list. With the exception of the funds (which the committee looks after), that's all there is really. And that's all we need. Why do we need a formal group (aka committee) organising things like official dinners / dinner meetings? If people on the list want to meet others and eat food, they don't need any kind of structure to do so. Someone (let's say Nick, for example ;-) decides they want to organise a small get together at a local restraunt, and posts an open invitation to all list members. Those who wish to join the fun do so, those who can't make it (like me, regrettably), or who can't afford it (me also, heh ;-) don't. Now, somebody tell me what is wrong with that system. It works. - worked (and from the sounds of it everyone had a good time :-) I would like to see the committee stick to their current role of organising meetings and installfests. Input from people on list as to the content of these (do we need more speakers? more workshops? etc) is of course a good thing. But anything additional that can be left on an ad-hoc basis (such as dinners) should be IMHO. Basically - if you want an activity, organise it yourself, and post an invitation to others on the mailing list.** I don't think we need an AGM, unless any of those on the committee feel they wish to step down, in which case we will need to elect replacements (but even that can be done on-list). Things are running pretty well by themselves. In any case, I move a pre-emptive motion that nobody move any motions, counter-motions, motions to append motions, or any other such silliness, should an AGM be held this year :-) :-) Sorry for the long post. Cheers, Gareth * there is no CLUG ;-) ** this goes for forming random community trusts and the like too ;-)
Re: CLUG meetings: A future or not
I have been giving all this a bit of thought. There is nothing to stop any group of like minded people forming a Trust, or an Incorporated Society. It may or may not be called the Canterbury/Christchurch Linux Users Group Incorporated, but one would hope a new idea had a new name, so as to avoid confucion with the froup of people who subscribe to this list, a subset of whom occasionally meet for various technical and social purposes. There must be a point to it, otherwise it will fall over as quick as look at you. The points I can take from the few people who have posted is: Technical meetings, be they installfests, fixits, talks etc are liked by many people, some people learn better face to face or in a lecture scenario. Some people, especially newbies who are so new they don't know their root from their / don't know where to start describing their problem, some people just like the mixed social/technical aspect of getting in the same room with a bunch of geeks and their hardware. Which brings us to the second general consensus (as I see it), namely that the social aspects are welcomed. OK some cannot afford dinner, some cannot get into a pub, but there can be events for everyone on the social calendar Neither of those aims require any further structure. They are well catered for already. The third thing I see being called for is involvement in promoting linux in a wider context, eg Trevor's post (and he wasn't the only one). Some have pointed out that there is a bit of community money out there that could be applied for etc. There have been suggestions of an expo type of show, ie show off to the public what linux can do - no installs, just a bunch of demos and maybe talks. Theres also room for more targetted promotions - eg school teachers - produce a reference LTSP site and give guided tours to school principals/BOT's. This type of thing takes money to do properly. An expo would almost require a fulltime worker for a period of time. It requires promotion, advertising, budgets etc. It would basically, IMHO, require a more formal structure to give some accountability etc. personally I would have to limit my involvement in something like that as I have a completely unrelated business to run, but i'd still like to have some involvement. This talk of money and promotion to actual buyers (as opposed to fiddlers with their own boxes to run) begs the question of where are the commercial linux people in all of this? We all know that there are several businesses in ChCh producing Open Source software. You don't see a lot of them on this list any more, perhaps they are lurking. But if there are schools and businesses to sell hardware, software and services to, the commercial guys should be there putting money in and promoting their services. Another way of looking at it is, picture an expo with a great LTSP demo. Teachers are impressed. Where can we get one? - there is no point in saying www.ltsp.org. You need to be able to refer to people on the ground. Anyway its late. My point is that most of the desires expressed are catered for at present, but that heavy duty promotion requires a lot of time money and effort. Thats not to say it shouldn't be done, we just need to think carefully about it before this group, or some offshoot or subset of it, goes down that line in a big way. I hope I get some reactions, and the discussion continues. On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 22:16:41+1300 Gareth Williams[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My $0.02 - As things currently stand we have a committee who primarily look after the small amount of money CLUG* has aquired, and the avenues through which that money is spent / aquired (read: meetings, workshops, installfests). This a valuable role (espeically as far as money is concerned, heh). And helpers need rounding up for installfests, speakers need rounding up for meetings, etc etc. But the group is really the mailing list. This is where people come for help, this is where decisions are usually made, this is where most discussions happen. Any off list activities are really just a semi-organised gathering of like minded people, who organised something and invited people via a common mailing list. With the exception of the funds (which the committee looks after), that's all there is really. And that's all we need. Why do we need a formal group (aka committee) organising things like official dinners / dinner meetings? If people on the list want to meet others and eat food, they don't need any kind of structure to do so. Someone (let's say Nick, for example ;-) decides they want to organise a small get together at a local restraunt, and posts an open invitation to all list members. Those who wish to join the fun do so, those who can't make it (like me, regrettably), or who can't afford it (me also, heh ;-) don't. Now, somebody tell me what is wrong with that system. It works. - worked (and from the sounds of it everyone had a good time :-) I would
Re: CLUG meetings: A future or not
I think that something should be made absolutely clear. If there are bunch of you guys out there that want to get into the whole AGM/committee/organisation thing then I don't think there will anybody to stand in your way. Good grief, I might even join. ;-) And for all that, what does it matter if there are four separate Linux groups? The only criteria as far as I can see is that people turn up. A huge part of the open-source ethos is that different people should be able to do things as they see fit. If you think you have the right idea, see if you can herd the cats. The main prerequisite is that people are interested in joining/participating. Just be warned, we geeks tend to be a uncooperative and argumentative lot :-) On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 22:16, Gareth Williams wrote: My $0.02 - As things currently stand we have a committee who primarily look after the small amount of money CLUG* has aquired, and the avenues through which that money is spent / aquired (read: meetings, workshops, installfests). This a valuable role (espeically as far as money is concerned, heh). And helpers need rounding up for installfests, speakers need rounding up for meetings, etc etc. This has been a weak point of ours recently. Nick E. does have a good point in that there should be someone has the time and inclination to herd the cats for any meetings that we might want. But the group is really the mailing list. This is where people come for help, this is where decisions are usually made, this is where most discussions happen. Any off list activities are really just a semi-organised gathering of like minded people, who organised something and invited people via a common mailing list. With the exception of the funds (which the committee looks after), that's all there is really. And that's all we need. Why do we need a formal group (aka committee) organising things like official dinners / dinner meetings? If people on the list want to meet others and eat food, they don't need any kind of structure to do so. Someone (let's say Nick, for example ;-) decides they want to organise a small get together at a local restraunt, and posts an open invitation to all list members. Those who wish to join the fun do so, those who can't make it (like me, regrettably), or who can't afford it (me also, heh ;-) don't. Now, somebody tell me what is wrong with that system. Nothing the whole point is that everybody can do what they want. It works. - worked (and from the sounds of it everyone had a good time :-) I would like to see the committee stick to their current role of organising meetings and installfests. Input from people on list as to the content of these (do we need more speakers? more workshops? etc) is of course a good thing. But anything additional that can be left on an ad-hoc basis (such as dinners) should be IMHO. Basically - if you want an activity, organise it yourself, and post an invitation to others on the mailing list.** I don't think we need an AGM, unless any of those on the committee feel they wish to step down, in which case we will need to elect replacements (but even that can be done on-list). Things are running pretty well by themselves. In any case, I move a pre-emptive motion that nobody move any motions, counter-motions, motions to append motions, or any other such silliness, should an AGM be held this year :-) :-) Sorry for the long post. Cheers, Gareth * there is no CLUG ;-) ** this goes for forming random community trusts and the like too ;-) Maybe there could be a more formal group for those that want it and whenever we want an off the cuff fix-up meeting, seminar type thing or booze up or whatever we could do that as well. I suspect that there is support for a a formal structure and I don't think anyone should stand in the way of that happening. I can even see that it could have some very good spin-offs. I say go for it. But I will be very wary of it for at least a while, as committees etc can give me the screaming s***s if they are badly done. The money is reasonably negligent but any event that looks worthwhile IMO should be considered for support by whatever funds there are. my 2 cents. -- Regards, Zane Gilmore (Linux nerd since 1998) Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.:- A.C.Clark
RE: CLUG meetings: A future or not
Well done Nick. (That was just what I was going to say) Rob -Original Message- From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 8 February 2004 11:15 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: CLUG meetings: A future or not I have been giving all this a bit of thought. There is nothing to stop any group of like minded people forming a Trust, or an Incorporated Society. It may or may not be called the Canterbury/Christchurch Linux Users Group Incorporated, but one would hope a new idea had a new name, so as to avoid confucion with the froup of people who subscribe to this list, a subset of whom occasionally meet for various technical and social purposes. There must be a point to it, otherwise it will fall over as quick as look at you. The points I can take from the few people who have posted is: Technical meetings, be they installfests, fixits, talks etc are liked by many people, some people learn better face to face or in a lecture scenario. Some people, especially newbies who are so new they don't know their root from their / don't know where to start describing their problem, some people just like the mixed social/technical aspect of getting in the same room with a bunch of geeks and their hardware. Which brings us to the second general consensus (as I see it), namely that the social aspects are welcomed. OK some cannot afford dinner, some cannot get into a pub, but there can be events for everyone on the social calendar Neither of those aims require any further structure. They are well catered for already. The third thing I see being called for is involvement in promoting linux in a wider context, eg Trevor's post (and he wasn't the only one). Some have pointed out that there is a bit of community money out there that could be applied for etc. There have been suggestions of an expo type of show, ie show off to the public what linux can do - no installs, just a bunch of demos and maybe talks. Theres also room for more targetted promotions - eg school teachers - produce a reference LTSP site and give guided tours to school principals/BOT's. This type of thing takes money to do properly. An expo would almost require a fulltime worker for a period of time. It requires promotion, advertising, budgets etc. It would basically, IMHO, require a more formal structure to give some accountability etc. personally I would have to limit my involvement in something like that as I have a completely unrelated business to run, but i'd still like to have some involvement. This talk of money and promotion to actual buyers (as opposed to fiddlers with their own boxes to run) begs the question of where are the commercial linux people in all of this? We all know that there are several businesses in ChCh producing Open Source software. You don't see a lot of them on this list any more, perhaps they are lurking. But if there are schools and businesses to sell hardware, software and services to, the commercial guys should be there putting money in and promoting their services. Another way of looking at it is, picture an expo with a great LTSP demo. Teachers are impressed. Where can we get one? - there is no point in saying www.ltsp.org. You need to be able to refer to people on the ground. Anyway its late. My point is that most of the desires expressed are catered for at present, but that heavy duty promotion requires a lot of time money and effort. Thats not to say it shouldn't be done, we just need to think carefully about it before this group, or some offshoot or subset of it, goes down that line in a big way. I hope I get some reactions, and the discussion continues. On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 22:16:41+1300 Gareth Williams[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My $0.02 - As things currently stand we have a committee who primarily look after the small amount of money CLUG* has aquired, and the avenues through which that money is spent / aquired (read: meetings, workshops, installfests). This a valuable role (espeically as far as money is concerned, heh). And helpers need rounding up for installfests, speakers need rounding up for meetings, etc etc. But the group is really the mailing list. This is where people come for help, this is where decisions are usually made, this is where most discussions happen. Any off list activities are really just a semi-organised gathering of like minded people, who organised something and invited people via a common mailing list. With the exception of the funds (which the committee looks after), that's all there is really. And that's all we need. Why do we need a formal group (aka committee) organising things like official dinners / dinner meetings? If people on the list want to meet others and eat food, they don't need any kind of structure to do so. Someone (let's say Nick, for example ;-) decides they want to organise a small get together at a local restraunt, and posts an open invitation to all list members. Those who wish to join the fun
Re: CLUG meetings: A future or not
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:48, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: Well done Nick. (That was just what I was going to say) Rob Well done Nick, that was just what I was _trying_ to say, hehe! Especially the first paragraph. Heartily agree with all of it :-) Cheers, Gareth -Original Message- From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 8 February 2004 11:15 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CLUG meetings: A future or not I have been giving all this a bit of thought. There is nothing to stop any group of like minded people forming a Trust, or an Incorporated Society. It may or may not be called the Canterbury/Christchurch Linux Users Group Incorporated, but one would hope a new idea had a new name, so as to avoid confucion with the froup of people who subscribe to this list, a subset of whom occasionally meet for various technical and social purposes. There must be a point to it, otherwise it will fall over as quick as look at you. The points I can take from the few people who have posted is: Technical meetings, be they installfests, fixits, talks etc are liked by many people, some people learn better face to face or in a lecture scenario. Some people, especially newbies who are so new they don't know their root from their / don't know where to start describing their problem, some people just like the mixed social/technical aspect of getting in the same room with a bunch of geeks and their hardware. Which brings us to the second general consensus (as I see it), namely that the social aspects are welcomed. OK some cannot afford dinner, some cannot get into a pub, but there can be events for everyone on the social calendar Neither of those aims require any further structure. They are well catered for already. The third thing I see being called for is involvement in promoting linux in a wider context, eg Trevor's post (and he wasn't the only one). Some have pointed out that there is a bit of community money out there that could be applied for etc. There have been suggestions of an expo type of show, ie show off to the public what linux can do - no installs, just a bunch of demos and maybe talks. Theres also room for more targetted promotions - eg school teachers - produce a reference LTSP site and give guided tours to school principals/BOT's. This type of thing takes money to do properly. An expo would almost require a fulltime worker for a period of time. It requires promotion, advertising, budgets etc. It would basically, IMHO, require a more formal structure to give some accountability etc. personally I would have to limit my involvement in something like that as I have a completely unrelated business to run, but i'd still like to have some involvement. This talk of money and promotion to actual buyers (as opposed to fiddlers with their own boxes to run) begs the question of where are the commercial linux people in all of this? We all know that there are several businesses in ChCh producing Open Source software. You don't see a lot of them on this list any more, perhaps they are lurking. But if there are schools and businesses to sell hardware, software and services to, the commercial guys should be there putting money in and promoting their services. Another way of looking at it is, picture an expo with a great LTSP demo. Teachers are impressed. Where can we get one? - there is no point in saying www.ltsp.org. You need to be able to refer to people on the ground. Anyway its late. My point is that most of the desires expressed are catered for at present, but that heavy duty promotion requires a lot of time money and effort. Thats not to say it shouldn't be done, we just need to think carefully about it before this group, or some offshoot or subset of it, goes down that line in a big way. I hope I get some reactions, and the discussion continues. On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 22:16:41+1300 Gareth Williams[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My $0.02 - As things currently stand we have a committee who primarily look after the small amount of money CLUG* has aquired, and the avenues through which that money is spent / aquired (read: meetings, workshops, installfests). This a valuable role (espeically as far as money is concerned, heh). And helpers need rounding up for installfests, speakers need rounding up for meetings, etc etc. But the group is really the mailing list. This is where people come for help, this is where decisions are usually made, this is where most discussions happen. Any off list activities are really just a semi-organised gathering of like minded people, who organised something and invited people via a common mailing list. With the exception of the funds (which the committee looks after), that's all there is really. And that's all we need. Why do we need a formal group (aka committee) organising things like official dinners / dinner meetings? If people
RE: CLUG meetings: A future or not
There's a bunch of 'big picture' reasons why I think a formal structure is needed in chch... Like Nick I can see all sides of the issue... biggest thing for everyone really seems to be the time and effort it would take to manage something bigger than a list. Managing something more requires money because it's unfair for the orginisers to end up doing heaps of work for nothing other than a pat on the back. Personally I've got a few projects on the back burner that could benefit from having a more formal structure and I can see a number of other entities that would also benefit from this. Community groups are always there to help different parts of the community in different ways. I'm happy to help push a formal aspect of the group along with interested parties when the projects I'm working on move from back burner to something closer to boiling point. HTH :) Cheers Don -Original Message- From: Gareth Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 1:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CLUG meetings: A future or not On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:48, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: Well done Nick. (That was just what I was going to say) Rob Well done Nick, that was just what I was _trying_ to say, hehe! Especially the first paragraph. Heartily agree with all of it :-) Cheers, Gareth -Original Message- From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 8 February 2004 11:15 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: CLUG meetings: A future or not I have been giving all this a bit of thought. There is nothing to stop any group of like minded people forming a Trust, or an Incorporated Society. It may or may not be called the Canterbury/Christchurch Linux Users Group Incorporated, but one would hope a new idea had a new name, so as to avoid confucion with the froup of people who subscribe to this list, a subset of whom occasionally meet for various technical and social purposes. There must be a point to it, otherwise it will fall over as quick as look at you. The points I can take from the few people who have posted is: Technical meetings, be they installfests, fixits, talks etc are liked by many people, some people learn better face to face or in a lecture scenario. Some people, especially newbies who are so new they don't know their root from their / don't know where to start describing their problem, some people just like the mixed social/technical aspect of getting in the same room with a bunch of geeks and their hardware. Which brings us to the second general consensus (as I see it), namely that the social aspects are welcomed. OK some cannot afford dinner, some cannot get into a pub, but there can be events for everyone on the social calendar Neither of those aims require any further structure. They are well catered for already. The third thing I see being called for is involvement in promoting linux in a wider context, eg Trevor's post (and he wasn't the only one). Some have pointed out that there is a bit of community money out there that could be applied for etc. There have been suggestions of an expo type of show, ie show off to the public what linux can do - no installs, just a bunch of demos and maybe talks. Theres also room for more targetted promotions - eg school teachers - produce a reference LTSP site and give guided tours to school principals/BOT's. This type of thing takes money to do properly. An expo would almost require a fulltime worker for a period of time. It requires promotion, advertising, budgets etc. It would basically, IMHO, require a more formal structure to give some accountability etc. personally I would have to limit my involvement in something like that as I have a completely unrelated business to run, but i'd still like to have some involvement. This talk of money and promotion to actual buyers (as opposed to fiddlers with their own boxes to run) begs the question of where are the commercial linux people in all of this? We all know that there are several businesses in ChCh producing Open Source software. You don't see a lot of them on this list any more, perhaps they are lurking. But if there are schools and businesses to sell hardware, software and services to, the commercial guys should be there putting money in and promoting their services. Another way of looking at it is, picture an expo with a great LTSP demo. Teachers are impressed. Where can we get one? - there is no point in saying www.ltsp.org. You need to be able to refer to people on the ground. Anyway its late. My point is that most of the desires expressed are catered for at present, but that heavy duty promotion requires a lot of time money and effort. Thats not to say it shouldn't be done, we just need to think carefully about it before this group, or some offshoot
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Preface - this is not targetted at Don, just a comment on a few things he said! On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 14:56:54 +1300 Don Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Managing something more requires money because it's unfair for the orginisers to end up doing heaps of work for nothing other than a pat on the back. no, it is not a good idea to have conmmittee members/organisers being paid, there is too much self interest at stake. also i am guessing we would want the organisation (inc society or trust) to be non-profit from a tax view, so it cannot benefit its own members or officers. reimbursement of expenses is ok, but beyond that I am opposed to financial reimbursement in this situation. Personally I've got a few projects on the back burner that could benefit from having a more formal structure and I can see a number of other entities that would also benefit from this. again, if its a community organiastion you want then it is not appropriate for it to support your commercial venture. Sure, members of our group, or a more formal group, may help and so on, but i don't believe that it is the place of such a group to leverage your commercial ventures (or anyone elses). of course if you want to start a co-operative or something to leverage know-how in a commercial setting then thats another thing, including recognition and income sharing! Community groups are always there to help different parts of the community in different ways. I'm happy to help push a formal aspect of the group along with interested parties when the projects I'm working on move from back burner to something closer to boiling point. -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CLUG meetings: A future or not
Preface - this is not targetted at Don, just a comment on a few things he said! :) Nick of course. I was humming and haring about making any response at all... I now wish I hadn't. What I said wasn't very well worded at all and now leaves me wondering if I should clean it up or just let it lie. On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 14:56:54 +1300 Don Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Managing something more requires money because it's unfair for the orginisers to end up doing heaps of work for nothing other than a pat on the back. no, it is not a good idea to have conmmittee members/organisers being paid, there is too much self interest at stake. also i am guessing we would want the organisation (inc society or trust) to be non-profit from a tax view, so it cannot benefit its own members or officers. reimbursement of expenses is ok, but beyond that I am opposed to financial reimbursement in this situation. 'goes around normally comes around...' I didn't present that well. Personally I've got a few projects on the back burner that could benefit from having a more formal structure and I can see a number of other entities that would also benefit from this. again, if its a community organiastion you want then it is not appropriate for it to support your commercial venture. Sure, members of our group, or a more formal group, may help and so on, but i don't believe that it is the place of such a group to leverage your commercial ventures (or anyone elses). I agree... Again I didn't present my thoughts very well. of course if you want to start a co-operative or something to leverage know-how in a commercial setting then thats another thing, including recognition and income sharing! That's a good thing to know you're open to. I think I'll go back to doing what I was doing now and just leave this whole subject alone. Cheers Don
CLUG meetings: A future or not
There have been a lot of suggestions but no action! Dinner was great, but So what are we doing: Are we going to have an AGM this year ?. Are we going to elected a committee ?. Are we going to have _any meetings_ at all ?. Or are we _NOT_ going to have a Linux User Group with meetings at all ?. Installfests, workshops, tech talks: What direction we go can be decided on at an AGM and later meetings. Nick Elder wrote: It has been roughly a year since CLUG had a general meeting. At that meeting I was very keen to see CLUG get organised with a committee and have elected officers to run the committee But to my disappointment no one became responsible for anything, as it was decided to have a committee with no one elected for particular tasks. Rik Tindall wrote: Without the meetings ( going monthly showed CLUG's maturity), we have much less in the way of ongoing newbie support. Without visible newbie support, Linux on the public stage is probably sunk. Where else will it come from on the scale necessary to make Linux a competing desktop OS? Is this a good thing? I think not. * I volunteer to contact the Sydenham hall book this years' meeting times, if so agreed/directed by the list/committee. * Perhaps the 'problem' of CLUG bureaucratisation is easily solved: The List runs the List. The committee runs the meetings ( is elected by the meetings) on behalf of the List. * If you ever need a set of minutes for a meeting I volunteer for that too. * ... Seems it it time, again (annually), here now, to: Formally propose - formation of the Canterbury Linux Community Trust. All those in favour, please say Aye. Aye All those against, please say No. User development will be a lot easier for CLUG with this under its belt. Paul William wrote: Why don't we have a simple online voting system? Each user who has posted in the last year gets emailed a randomly generated ID/password when they vote the id is deleted. Why don't we ?. To vote on: To have monthly meetings or not. To have an elected committee or not. Nick Rout wrote: ... what do we want? more tech talks? demos (a la Jason's talk on multimedia) ? installfests? workshops? come on people, ideas/directions! its your group. John Carter wrote: Way back when when the moon was young, a small Amateur Computer Club started up a yearly computer expo. At the time it's emphasis was ooh looky, what neat things these micros can do. It was _very_ successful. .. Such an expo shouldn't be purely a Linux thing, but a demo of the fun things that _are_ being done with computers, program languages, embedded systems, DSP's, FPGA's, Robotics, Biotec... in the Canterbury area. The emphasis should be on fun and excitement, not Linux. I'm sure as a result of that emphasis Linux will feature heavily... Douglas Royds wrote: The benefit of a formal installfest comes from the publicity it (i.e. we, the CLUG) generate - posters and emails and Hey, just bowl along with your PC do a lot more than just get people in to the installfest, they raise the Linux profile overall. Also, they sow the idea that there is a community here, and installing Linux is something anyone can do, as there is help available. Perhaps the installfest could be combined with John Carter's return to a computer expo that is actually fun. Hoping for some positive action Trevor
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Instead of asking the questions, make some suggestions! the purpose of this list is communication. Tell us what yo want Trev (sorry I didn't get a cahnce to chat to you the other night, but even if I did, you still need to tell the group what you want!) This is the place, and the chance to do it. There are more people on the list than could make it to an AGM, even if we IRC it! So put your suggestions up here people! On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 21:28:37+1300 Trev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There have been a lot of suggestions but no action! Dinner was great, but So what are we doing: Are we going to have an AGM this year ?. Are we going to elected a committee ?. Are we going to have _any meetings_ at all ?. Or are we _NOT_ going to have a Linux User Group with meetings at all ?. Installfests, workshops, tech talks: What direction we go can be decided on at an AGM and later meetings. Nick Elder wrote: It has been roughly a year since CLUG had a general meeting. At that meeting I was very keen to see CLUG get organised with a committee and have elected officers to run the committee But to my disappointment no one became responsible for anything, as it was decided to have a committee with no one elected for particular tasks. Rik Tindall wrote: Without the meetings ( going monthly showed CLUG's maturity), we have much less in the way of ongoing newbie support. Without visible newbie support, Linux on the public stage is probably sunk. Where else will it come from on the scale necessary to make Linux a competing desktop OS? Is this a good thing? I think not. * I volunteer to contact the Sydenham hall book this years' meeting times, if so agreed/directed by the list/committee. * Perhaps the 'problem' of CLUG bureaucratisation is easily solved: The List runs the List. The committee runs the meetings ( is elected by the meetings) on behalf of the List. * If you ever need a set of minutes for a meeting I volunteer for that too. * ... Seems it it time, again (annually), here now, to: Formally propose - formation of the Canterbury Linux Community Trust. All those in favour, please say Aye. Aye All those against, please say No. User development will be a lot easier for CLUG with this under its belt. Paul William wrote: Why don't we have a simple online voting system? Each user who has posted in the last year gets emailed a randomly generated ID/password when they vote the id is deleted. Why don't we ?. To vote on: To have monthly meetings or not. To have an elected committee or not. Nick Rout wrote: ... what do we want? more tech talks? demos (a la Jason's talk on multimedia) ? installfests? workshops? come on people, ideas/directions! its your group. John Carter wrote: Way back when when the moon was young, a small Amateur Computer Club started up a yearly computer expo. At the time it's emphasis was ooh looky, what neat things these micros can do. It was _very_ successful. .. Such an expo shouldn't be purely a Linux thing, but a demo of the fun things that _are_ being done with computers, program languages, embedded systems, DSP's, FPGA's, Robotics, Biotec... in the Canterbury area. The emphasis should be on fun and excitement, not Linux. I'm sure as a result of that emphasis Linux will feature heavily... Douglas Royds wrote: The benefit of a formal installfest comes from the publicity it (i.e. we, the CLUG) generate - posters and emails and Hey, just bowl along with your PC do a lot more than just get people in to the installfest, they raise the Linux profile overall. Also, they sow the idea that there is a community here, and installing Linux is something anyone can do, as there is help available. Perhaps the installfest could be combined with John Carter's return to a computer expo that is actually fun. Hoping for some positive action Trevor
Re: CLUG meetings-the future
Sigh, this means more motion moving again doesn't it? (grunt) Must. Not. Make. Joke. About. Eating. More. Fibre.
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PS The (neutral) fact is John, your posts gather credence the moment your email header shows you no longer post from Pegasus on Windows. :-| Do you need help achieving this? LOL. How do you know he isn't posting from work? Yuri
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Paul William wrote: We had this discussion a year ago didnt we? The result: http://lists.ethernal.org/cantlug-0301/msg00416.html Yes, we did. But it is time, IMHO, to revisit it again. Cheers, Carl.
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On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 23:55, Carl Cerecke wrote: Paul William wrote: We had this discussion a year ago didnt we? The result: http://lists.ethernal.org/cantlug-0301/msg00416.html Yes, we did. But it is time, IMHO, to revisit it again. Sigh, this means more motion moving again doesn't it? (grunt) Cheers, Carl. -- Zane Gilmore, Analyst / Programmer Information Services Section, Information Technology Dept, University of Canterbury - Te Whare Waananga o Waitaha Private Bag 4800, Christchurch New Zealand Phone +64-3-364 2987 extn 7895
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Why don't we have a simple online voting system? Each user who has posted in the last year gets emailed a randomly generated ID/password when they vote the id is deleted. This kind of system can he hosted anywhere and Zane we will not have 2 hassle Zane ;) On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 13:14, Zane Gilmore wrote: On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 23:55, Carl Cerecke wrote: Paul William wrote: We had this discussion a year ago didnt we? The result: http://lists.ethernal.org/cantlug-0301/msg00416.html Yes, we did. But it is time, IMHO, to revisit it again. Sigh, this means more motion moving again doesn't it? (grunt) Cheers, Carl. -- .''`. Paul William : :' :Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system h1ba href=http://www.debian.org;debian.org/a/bh1
CLUG meetings-the future
Hi, It has been roughly a year since CLUG had a general meeting. At that meeting I was very keen to see CLUG get organised with a committee and have elected officers to run the committee. And thus have people responsible for club funds, minute/record keeping, chairing meetings, supper etc. But to my disappointment no one became responsible for anything, as it was decided to have a committee with no one elected for particular tasks. At the time I could see the situation of many tasks falling on just one or two keen individuals. The very situation I was trying to sort out by spreading the work load over an entire committee. I haven't been to many meetings this year as I have become interested in other areas away from CLUG meetings. So I haven't much clue how things have progressed. So maybe the ad-hock anarchic idea is great. I just don´t know? However if things this year with CLUG haven´t been up to expectations. Then I just want to raise the point once again. That CLUG may be a much better and stronger organisation serving its members and possibly the community more if it had the time proven normal club/society structure. With a proper committee with elected positions. Thus making set individuals given set down responsibilities, to serve CLUG members and the running of the organization. regards, Nick Elder
CLUG meetings-the future
Hello All Nick said: It has been roughly a year since CLUG had a general meeting. At that meeting That means it must be two years since I came along fresh and green but seeing a need for structure if CLUG was ever going to be effective in the community. But as people told me then, CLUG meetings are just an informal meeting of list members. The list is the only official think. I know now that the list is also essentially a technical list. Any question longer than four lines is far too long to read, and any reply that is longer than two lines is best expressed with a URL. That's the nature of the beast. 11 Lines. STOP JOHN. See some of you tonight John
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Perhaps we don't need physical monthly meetings at all, maybe we would be better off organising say, 3 or4, major technical things a year viz: Installfest - near start of academic year, for obvious reasons expo, to showcase linux at home and in business, say mid-year. further installfest a month later to follow up on interest generated by expo. Incorporate somewhere in there some sessions (a suggested previously bu someone) on specialist topics - winmodems, SOHO mail servers, whatever. In addition if people just want some social time to talk about their latest geek exploits, show off their 20 GHz monster laptops, or whatever, I'd rather meet in a pub or cafe where its convivial and comfortable. Just some ideas - On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 07:51:39 +1300 John S Veitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All Nick said: It has been roughly a year since CLUG had a general meeting. At that meeting That means it must be two years since I came along fresh and green but seeing a need for structure if CLUG was ever going to be effective in the community. But as people told me then, CLUG meetings are just an informal meeting of list members. The list is the only official think. I know now that the list is also essentially a technical list. Any question longer than four lines is far too long to read, and any reply that is longer than two lines is best expressed with a URL. That's the nature of the beast. 11 Lines. STOP JOHN. See some of you tonight John
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Nick Elder wrote: Hi, It has been roughly a year since CLUG had a general meeting. At that meeting I was very keen to see CLUG get organised with a committee and have elected officers to run the committee. And thus have people responsible for club funds, minute/record keeping, chairing meetings, supper etc. But to my disappointment no one became responsible for anything, as it was decided to have a committee with no one elected for particular tasks. At the time I could see the situation of many tasks falling on just one or two keen individuals. The very situation I was trying to sort out by spreading the work load over an entire committee. I haven't been to many meetings this year as I have become interested in other areas away from CLUG meetings. So I haven't much clue how things have progressed. So maybe the ad-hock anarchic idea is great. I just don´t know? However if things this year with CLUG haven´t been up to expectations. Then I just want to raise the point once again. That CLUG may be a much better and stronger organisation serving its members and possibly the community more if it had the time proven normal club/society structure. With a proper committee with elected positions. Thus making set individuals given set down responsibilities, to serve CLUG members and the running of the organization. regards, Nick Elder Hi Nick CLUG, Great to see you're still about. As an 'intermediate' user/contributor of 18 months, here's my 0.02c worth: When I began attending CLUG meetings, what impressed me as much as the quality of technical info delivery, was Nick's financial reports, keeping us all informed of the event-by-event $tatus of the group. Thereby we got a sense of how much the meetings were worth, in another way. (This job, running a bank account for CLUG, was worth at least $10 per month imho. - please come back Nick#2! :) Without the meetings ( going monthly showed CLUG's maturity), we have much less in the way of ongoing newbie support. Without visible newbie support, Linux on the public stage is probably sunk. Where else will it come from on the scale necessary to make Linux a competing desktop OS? Is this a good thing? I think not. * I volunteer to contact the Sydenham hall book this years' meeting times, if so agreed/directed by the list/committee. * Perhaps the 'problem' of CLUG bureaucratisation is easily solved: The List runs the List. The committee runs the meetings ( is elected by the meetings) on behalf of the List. * If you ever need a set of minutes for a meeting I volunteer for that too. * Long may the Linux alternative live, nay, prosper! Happy to discuss further in this vein.. / see you tonight. Yours Sincerely Rik Tindall InfoHelp Services
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Nick Rout wrote: Perhaps we don't need physical monthly meetings at all, maybe we would be better off organising say, 3 or4, major technical things a year viz: Installfest - near start of academic year, for obvious reasons expo, to showcase linux at home and in business, say mid-year. further installfest a month later to follow up on interest generated by expo. Incorporate somewhere in there some sessions (a suggested previously bu someone) on specialist topics - winmodems, SOHO mail servers, whatever. In addition if people just want some social time to talk about their latest geek exploits, show off their 20 GHz monster laptops, or whatever, I'd rather meet in a pub or cafe where its convivial and comfortable. Just some ideas - On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 07:51:39 +1300 John S Veitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All Nick said: It has been roughly a year since CLUG had a general meeting. At that meeting That means it must be two years since I came along fresh and green but seeing a need for structure if CLUG was ever going to be effective in the community. But as people told me then, CLUG meetings are just an informal meeting of list members. The list is the only official think. I know now that the list is also essentially a technical list. Any question longer than four lines is far too long to read, and any reply that is longer than two lines is best expressed with a URL. That's the nature of the beast. 11 Lines. STOP JOHN. See some of you tonight John Thanks for your tireless efforts on belf of our group, Nick. Seems it it time, again (annually), here now, to: Formally propose - formation of the Canterbury Linux Community Trust. All those in favour, please say Aye. All those against, please say No. User development will be a lot easier for CLUG with this under its belt. All the best Rik PS The (neutral) fact is John, your posts gather credence the moment your email header shows you no longer post from Pegasus on Windows. :-| Do you need help achieving this?
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We had this discussion a year ago didnt we? The result: http://lists.ethernal.org/cantlug-0301/msg00416.html On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 17:44, Rik Tindall wrote: Nick Rout wrote: Perhaps we don't need physical monthly meetings at all, maybe we would be better off organising say, 3 or4, major technical things a year viz: Installfest - near start of academic year, for obvious reasons expo, to showcase linux at home and in business, say mid-year. further installfest a month later to follow up on interest generated by expo. Incorporate somewhere in there some sessions (a suggested previously bu someone) on specialist topics - winmodems, SOHO mail servers, whatever. In addition if people just want some social time to talk about their latest geek exploits, show off their 20 GHz monster laptops, or whatever, I'd rather meet in a pub or cafe where its convivial and comfortable. Just some ideas - On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 07:51:39 +1300 John S Veitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All Nick said: It has been roughly a year since CLUG had a general meeting. At that meeting That means it must be two years since I came along fresh and green but seeing a need for structure if CLUG was ever going to be effective in the community. But as people told me then, CLUG meetings are just an informal meeting of list members. The list is the only official think. I know now that the list is also essentially a technical list. Any question longer than four lines is far too long to read, and any reply that is longer than two lines is best expressed with a URL. That's the nature of the beast. 11 Lines. STOP JOHN. See some of you tonight John Thanks for your tireless efforts on belf of our group, Nick. Seems it it time, again (annually), here now, to: Formally propose - formation of the Canterbury Linux Community Trust. All those in favour, please say Aye. All those against, please say No. User development will be a lot easier for CLUG with this under its belt. All the best Rik PS The (neutral) fact is John, your posts gather credence the moment your email header shows you no longer post from Pegasus on Windows. :-| Do you need help achieving this? -- .''`. Paul William : :' :Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system h1ba href=http://www.debian.org;debian.org/a/bh1
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Hi there, Christopher Sawtell wrote: quote src=http://www.linux-france.org/article/gvallee/scanner/epson1260-en.html The goal of this document is to explain how install the Espon Perfection 1260 scanner under Linux, using the kernel 2.4.19 and sane 1.0.8. First, we need to get the following softwares: 1. the Linux kernel 2.4.19 (ftp://ftp.kernel.org), 2. sane-backends-1.0.8 (ftp://ftp.mostang.com/pub/sane/sane-1.0.8) 3. the kernel patch (patch-2.4.19-ep1260) 4. the sane patch (patch-sane-ep1260) When we have all this files, uncompress the Linux kernel and apply the kernel patch. Then, compile the kernel without forget to use the option usb scanner is the kernel configuration. Then, uncompress sane and apply the patch. Finally, compile sane and normally, you can now plug and use your scanner. /quote i.e. High-power guru meditation needed. I might be able get it to go, I can't know until I've done it. I hope this isn't supposed to be easy in the scale of linux installs... I've got kernel 2.4.19-16mdk and sane backend 1.08, but I would not know where to start to accomplish that...maybe I can run the Epson Windows scanner drivers under Wine...or maybe I'm better off just getting Windows... Kind regards, Chris Wilkinson, Middle Earth, New Zealand. MICRO$LOTH FREE ZONE!
Re: Clug meetings
On Friday 31 January 2003 08:18 pm, you wrote: I seem to be spending a lot of time playing around with emulators and suchlike. if anyone is interested, I'll be happy to pass on my experiences with bochs for a start, and hercules and some of the truly old system emulators (PDP-11, anyone?) if anyone's truly interested. Wesley Parish I support this idea, I have much to learn about many things, from both the GUI CLI sides. Nicks suggestion of multimedia topics would be good, also demonstrations of some of the more common / awesome Linux apps that was spoken about last year. I would also like to learn the basics of writing scripts, ie when, why, and how to use them, Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 25/12/02 -- Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
Re: Clug meetings
On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 21:07, Chris Wilkinson wrote: Hi there, Christopher Sawtell wrote: quote src=http://www.linux-france.org/article/gvallee/scanner/epson1260-en.html The goal of this document is to explain how install the Espon Perfection 1260 scanner under Linux, using the kernel 2.4.19 and sane 1.0.8. First, we need to get the following softwares: 1. the Linux kernel 2.4.19 (ftp://ftp.kernel.org), 2. sane-backends-1.0.8 (ftp://ftp.mostang.com/pub/sane/sane-1.0.8) 3. the kernel patch (patch-2.4.19-ep1260) 4. the sane patch (patch-sane-ep1260) When we have all this files, uncompress the Linux kernel and apply the kernel patch. Then, compile the kernel without forget to use the option usb scanner is the kernel configuration. Then, uncompress sane and apply the patch. Finally, compile sane and normally, you can now plug and use your scanner. /quote i.e. High-power guru meditation needed. I might be able get it to go, I can't know until I've done it. I hope this isn't supposed to be easy in the scale of linux installs... Correct. This is a 'breaking the normal rules' type of thing. That said it's not too difficult to apply patches to packages and recompile them. It might be possible to get it done in the time available during one of the clinic / workshops. But it could be rather difficult if it doesn't go straight away. I've got kernel 2.4.19-16mdk and sane backend 1.08, You need the sources. but I would not know where to start to accomplish that...maybe I can run the Epson Windows scanner drivers under Wine... Remotely possible, I don't really know. or maybe I'm better off just getting Windows... And lose your zoning? :-) More sensible to get a different scanner. For a non-sane solution look at:- http://www.epkowa.co.jp/english/linux_e/lsd_e.html Provided it works this would probably be the best option. -- Sincerely etc., Christopher Sawtell
Re: Clug meetings
On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:18, Graham Barnett wrote: I still think a meeting in 2 halves is best. First half GUI and app based discussions/presentations. Second half, CLI/programming oriented discussion. We start the halves at preset times, then, if people didn't want to stay for the second half they could leave. Conversly, they could come ONLY for the second half if they had no interest in desktopy things I support this idea, I have much to learn about many things, from both the GUI CLI sides. Nicks suggestion of multimedia topics would be good, also demonstrations of some of the more common / awesome Linux apps that was spoken about last year. I would be particularly interested to see a demo of Pov-Ray. I would also like to learn the basics of writing scripts, ie when, 24 * 7 ( Literally, with the help of the cron or at utilities. ) why, Because you can then use any and every program and utility available to unix at any time of the day or night. and how to use them, In particular:- http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ And as a bzip2ed archive tarball:- http://personal.riverusers.com/~thegrendel/abs-guide-1.7.tar.bz2 The 'canonical magnum opus' is at:- http://www.gnu.org/manual/bash/index.html Also:- http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/ http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/827/1/ http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/936/1/ PS btw, Not good [n]etiquette to post HTML. -- Sincerely etc., Christopher Sawtell
Re: Clug meetings
Hi there, Christopher Sawtell wrote: I would be particularly interested to see a demo of Pov-Ray. No problem. I've used POV-ray since it was known as DKB Trace! Most of my 1600x1200 desktop wallpapers are POV-ray rendered or GIMP jobs... ...and while POV-ray chugs away on some cool renders (chug being operative word, I've only got a 1100MHz AMD Duron!) someone can help me get SANE running with my Epson Perfection 1260 USB scanner! :^) Kind regards, Chris Wilkinson, Middle Earth, New Zealand. MICRO$LOTH FREE ZONE!
3D graphics (Re: Clug meetings)
On Sat, 1 Feb 2003, Christopher Sawtell wrote: ... I would be particularly interested to see a demo of Pov-Ray. ... Is there a decent front-end for povray available now? From what I remember povray was only the ray tracer, and either you wrote the scenes manually, or there were front-ends like sceda or sced (?) If someone gives a presentation it would be great to see how povray is integrated and interfaces with CAD / modeling software. One more program in the wider context which is really nice is Blender. It has a modeler GUI, key frame animation, inverse kinematics, and Python scripting - just in case you want to move your objects along mathematically defined curves. It even has fancy features like motion blur for the individual images of a movie. The renderer of Blender is a scanline algorithm, which is much faster than ray tracers like povray, trading in a fraction of the great image quality of ray tracers for improved speed. Blender is meant to be a development environment as well as a game engine. It is quite versatile, and it is fun to work with it. However, like with other professional 3D animation software, it is a good idea to read the handbook first. Cheers, Helmut. ++ | Helmut Walle | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ++
Re: Clug meetings
On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 13:47, Chris Wilkinson wrote: Hi there, Christopher Sawtell wrote: I would be particularly interested to see a demo of Pov-Ray. No problem. I've used POV-ray since it was known as DKB Trace! Most of my 1600x1200 desktop wallpapers are POV-ray rendered or GIMP jobs... ...and while POV-ray chugs away on some cool renders (chug being operative word, I've only got a 1100MHz AMD Duron!) someone can help me get SANE running with my Epson Perfection 1260 USB scanner! quote src=http://www.linux-france.org/article/gvallee/scanner/epson1260-en.html The goal of this document is to explain how install the Espon Perfection 1260 scanner under Linux, using the kernel 2.4.19 and sane 1.0.8. First, we need to get the following softwares: 1. the Linux kernel 2.4.19 (ftp://ftp.kernel.org), 2. sane-backends-1.0.8 (ftp://ftp.mostang.com/pub/sane/sane-1.0.8) 3. the kernel patch (patch-2.4.19-ep1260) 4. the sane patch (patch-sane-ep1260) When we have all this files, uncompress the Linux kernel and apply the kernel patch. Then, compile the kernel without forget to use the option usb scanner is the kernel configuration. Then, uncompress sane and apply the patch. Finally, compile sane and normally, you can now plug and use your scanner. /quote i.e. High-power guru meditation needed. I might be able get it to go, I can't know until I've done it. -- Sincerely etc., Christopher Sawtell
Clug meetings
I still think a meeting in 2 halves is best. First half GUI and appbased discussions/presentations. Second half, CLI/programming orienteddiscussion. We start the halves at preset times, then, if people didn'twant to stay for the second half they could leave. Conversly, they couldcome ONLY for the second half if they had no interest in "desktopy"things I support this idea, I have much to learn about many things, from both the GUI CLI sides. Nicks suggestion of multimedia topics would be good, also demonstrations of some of the more common / awesome Linux apps that was spoken about last year. I would also like to learn the basics of writing scripts, ie when, why, and how to use them, Graham ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 25/12/02
Re: Talks/teachings for the CLUG meetings...
On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 01:27:47PM +1300, Michael Beattie wrote: Which begs the question. When are we going to see you at a meeting Martin? *chuckle* - not till you pay his air fare : now wait, THERE is a worthwhile investment for that collected money ;-) *evil grin* greetings, martin. -- interrested in doing pike programming, sTeam/caudium/pike/roxen training, sTeam/caudium/roxen and/or unix system administration anywhere in the world. -- pike programmer working in europe csl-gmbh.net open-steam.org (www.archlab|(www|db).hb2).tuwien.ac.at unixbahai.or.at iaeste.(tuwien.ac|or).at systemadministrator (stuts|black.linux-m68k).orgis.(schon.org|root.at) Martin Bähr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/
Re: Talks/teachings for the CLUG meetings...
badtastehmm .. hesitates .. Bali :( /badtaste Paul (Manager, E-caf@The Arts Centre) (Level 2/28 Worcester Boulevard, Christchurch, NZ) (ph/fax +64 3 3656480 www.e-caf.com)
Re: Talks/teachings for the CLUG meetings...
On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 01:09:19PM +1300, Christopher Sawtell wrote: Which begs the question. When are we going to see you at a meeting Martin? as soon as i get more beaming rations... greetings, martin. -- interrested in doing pike programming, sTeam/caudium/pike/roxen training, sTeam/caudium/roxen and/or unix system administration anywhere in the world. -- pike programmer working in europe csl-gmbh.net open-steam.org (www.archlab|(www|db).hb2).tuwien.ac.at unixbahai.or.at iaeste.(tuwien.ac|or).at systemadministrator (stuts|black.linux-m68k).orgis.(schon.org|root.at) Martin Bähr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/
Re: Talks/teachings for the CLUG meetings...
On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 01:27:47PM +1300, Michael Beattie wrote: it sure would be nice if you attended the meeting anyways :-) Which begs the question. When are we going to see you at a meeting Martin? *chuckle* - not till you pay his air fare : hehe, indeed, but you are permitted, even encuraged to book the cheapest means of transport available (except walking, swimming, rowing or the like (sailing would do though)) greetings, martin. -- interrested in doing pike programming, sTeam/caudium/pike/roxen training, sTeam/caudium/roxen and/or unix system administration anywhere in the world. -- pike programmer working in europe csl-gmbh.net open-steam.org (www.archlab|(www|db).hb2).tuwien.ac.at unixbahai.or.at iaeste.(tuwien.ac|or).at systemadministrator (stuts|black.linux-m68k).orgis.(schon.org|root.at) Martin Bähr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/
Re: Talks/teachings for the CLUG meetings...
On Sat, 12 Oct 2002 12:21, you wrote: On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 02:00:15PM +1300, Andy George wrote: OK, I have MY answers right here... Dont need to attend the meeting, withdraw my suggestion... it sure would be nice if you attended the meeting anyways :-) Which begs the question. When are we going to see you at a meeting Martin? -- Sincerely etc., Christopher Sawtell
Re: Talks/teachings for the CLUG meetings...
On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 01:09:19PM +1300, Christopher Sawtell wrote: it sure would be nice if you attended the meeting anyways :-) Which begs the question. When are we going to see you at a meeting Martin? *chuckle* - not till you pay his air fare : Mike. -- Michael Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] CPU's dont tend to work very well after their magic smoke has escaped.
Re: Talks/teachings for the CLUG meetings...
What about a general sought of Networking evening. DNS Server, Remote installations, sendmail vs Exim, the flashier side of apache,basic/advanced networking practises. |Ben ___Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com<-Original Message-> ---On Saturday 12 October 2002 02:10 pm, Andy George ZL3ST wrote: ---> I dont know about others, but I could certainly benefit from being taught a ---> few things... ---> ---> Exaples might be a CORRECT way to set up a DNS server, DNS Cache Server, ---> NFS remote RH installation, and so forth --- ---Seconded. I don't know enough - if anything about setting up a DNS ---server/link, etc. I tried once, and couldn't contact the 'Net at all. --- ---Incredibly frustrating. --- ---Wesley Parish ---> ---> Maybe even going into the Flashier side of Apache (what it's capable of), ---> Sendmail Vs Exim or other such email servers, The New Directory Services ---> effort on behalf of Linux, and perhaps a going over of the really dumb ---> questions that someone like myself (self taught, and probably taught myself ---> some really bad things) could possibly ask... --- - ---Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?" ---You ask, "What is the most important thing?" ---Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata." ---I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people." ---. ---
Re: Talks/teachings for the CLUG meetings...
Ummm, Thse are probably a better topics for one of the workshop meetings, where the interested folks can sit around one computer with a knowledgeable soul doing a bit of 'tuition' so to speak. I suspect if one of our more 'geek' members got up and talked about DNS servers and constructing zone files we'd have 90% of the folks in the hall snoring in the first five minutes... I suppose we could jazz it up with doing dhcp based dynamic dns, but it's still only going to interest a small percentage of the folks who come along. The 'presentation' based meetings (every second month) really need to be of a more general nature I feel. Possbily even light on the knowledge transfer and heavy on the glitz flashing lights. :-). At a stretch a demo of network installing a current distro would be OK, but still quite dry and boring for the majority of the club who I suspect have one PC, with a dial-up modem on it. Maybe some GUI based demos, Jeremy B and his theme modification exploits.. Show the rest of us how to create themes for our desktops.. Pretty pictures etc are always a crowd pleaser :-). My 2c worth.. Cheers, Chris H. Andy George ZL3ST wrote: I dont know about others, but I could certainly benefit from being taught a few things... Exaples might be a CORRECT way to set up a DNS server, DNS Cache Server, NFS remote RH installation, and so forth Maybe even going into the Flashier side of Apache (what it's capable of), Sendmail Vs Exim or other such email servers, The New Directory Services effort on behalf of Linux, and perhaps a going over of the really dumb questions that someone like myself (self taught, and probably taught myself some really bad things) could possibly ask...
Re: Talks/teachings for the CLUG meetings...
On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:50, Wesley Parish wrote: On Saturday 12 October 2002 02:10 pm, Andy George ZL3ST wrote: I dont know about others, but I could certainly benefit from being taught a few things... Exaples might be a CORRECT way to set up a DNS server, RUTE book chapters 27, 40, and bit of background in 26. http://rute.2038bug.com/node30.html.gz http://rute.2038bug.com/node43.html.gz for the canonical work:- http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/netmaint/bind/arm/Bv9ARM.html DNS Cache Server, http://users.zoominternet.net/~garsh/dnrd/ http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/dnscache.html NFS remote RH installation, and so forth Seconded. I don't know enough - if anything about setting up a DNS server/link, etc. I tried once, and couldn't contact the 'Net at all. Sounds to me as if you havn't got the routes setup correctly. A bit of quick reading might help man 8 route or, in Konqueror:- man:/usr/share/man/man8/route.8.gz Incredibly frustrating. Wesley Parish Maybe even going into the Flashier side of Apache (what it's capable of), That's a week of lessons!!! Sendmail Vs Exim or other such email servers, Neither, use Postfix or qmail:- http://postfix.planetmirror.com/start.html http://cr.yp.to/qmail.html The New Directory Services effort on behalf of Linux, and perhaps a going over of the really dumb questions that someone like myself (self taught, and probably taught myself some really bad things) could possibly ask... Got cranial overload, or a dose of data poisoning yet? :-) -- Sincerely etc., Christopher Sawtell
Re: Talks/teachings for the CLUG meetings...
On Saturday 12 October 2002 02:10 pm, Andy George ZL3ST wrote: I dont know about others, but I could certainly benefit from being taught a few things... Exaples might be a CORRECT way to set up a DNS server, DNS Cache Server, NFS remote RH installation, and so forth Seconded. I don't know enough - if anything about setting up a DNS server/link, etc. I tried once, and couldn't contact the 'Net at all. Incredibly frustrating. Wesley Parish Maybe even going into the Flashier side of Apache (what it's capable of), Sendmail Vs Exim or other such email servers, The New Directory Services effort on behalf of Linux, and perhaps a going over of the really dumb questions that someone like myself (self taught, and probably taught myself some really bad things) could possibly ask... -- Mau e ki, He aha te mea nui? You ask, What is the most important thing? Maku e ki, He tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, It is people, it is people, it is people.
Re: Talks/teachings for the CLUG meetings...
OK, I have MY answers right here... Dont need to attend the meeting, withdraw my suggestion... Cheers Chris - Original Message - From: Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wesley Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Andy George ZL3ST [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 8:24 AM Subject: Re: Talks/teachings for the CLUG meetings... On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:50, Wesley Parish wrote: On Saturday 12 October 2002 02:10 pm, Andy George ZL3ST wrote: I dont know about others, but I could certainly benefit from being taught a few things... Exaples might be a CORRECT way to set up a DNS server, RUTE book chapters 27, 40, and bit of background in 26. http://rute.2038bug.com/node30.html.gz http://rute.2038bug.com/node43.html.gz for the canonical work:- http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/netmaint/bind/arm/Bv9ARM.html DNS Cache Server, http://users.zoominternet.net/~garsh/dnrd/ http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/dnscache.html NFS remote RH installation, and so forth Seconded. I don't know enough - if anything about setting up a DNS server/link, etc. I tried once, and couldn't contact the 'Net at all. Sounds to me as if you havn't got the routes setup correctly. A bit of quick reading might help man 8 route or, in Konqueror:- man:/usr/share/man/man8/route.8.gz Incredibly frustrating. Wesley Parish Maybe even going into the Flashier side of Apache (what it's capable of), That's a week of lessons!!! Sendmail Vs Exim or other such email servers, Neither, use Postfix or qmail:- http://postfix.planetmirror.com/start.html http://cr.yp.to/qmail.html The New Directory Services effort on behalf of Linux, and perhaps a going over of the really dumb questions that someone like myself (self taught, and probably taught myself some really bad things) could possibly ask... Got cranial overload, or a dose of data poisoning yet? :-) -- Sincerely etc., Christopher Sawtell
Re: Talks/teachings for the CLUG meetings...
On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 02:00:15PM +1300, Andy George wrote: OK, I have MY answers right here... Dont need to attend the meeting, withdraw my suggestion... it sure would be nice if you attended the meeting anyways :-) greetings, martin. -- interrested in doing pike programming, sTeam/caudium/pike/roxen training, sTeam/caudium/roxen and/or unix system administration anywhere in the world. -- pike programmer travelling in europeopen-steam.org csl-gmbh.net (www.archlab|(www|db).hb2).tuwien.ac.at unixbahai.or.at iaeste.(tuwien.ac|or).at systemadministrator (stuts|black.linux-m68k).orgis.(schon.org|root.at) Martin Bähr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/
Re: Talks/teachings for the CLUG meetings...
On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:00, you wrote: OK, I have MY answers right here... Dont need to attend the meeting, withdraw my suggestion... I've just done a lecture on the very subject this morning -- that's how I had the URLs off pat :-) -- and I did hear snores, so I agree with Chris H. This sort of thing _really_ isn't a good subject for a club evening which is open to joe public! Cheers Chris - Original Message - From: Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wesley Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Andy George ZL3ST [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 8:24 AM Subject: Re: Talks/teachings for the CLUG meetings... On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:50, Wesley Parish wrote: On Saturday 12 October 2002 02:10 pm, Andy George ZL3ST wrote: I dont know about others, but I could certainly benefit from being taught a few things... Exaples might be a CORRECT way to set up a DNS server, RUTE book chapters 27, 40, and bit of background in 26. http://rute.2038bug.com/node30.html.gz http://rute.2038bug.com/node43.html.gz for the canonical work:- http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/netmaint/bind/arm/Bv9ARM.html DNS Cache Server, http://users.zoominternet.net/~garsh/dnrd/ http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/dnscache.html NFS remote RH installation, and so forth Seconded. I don't know enough - if anything about setting up a DNS server/link, etc. I tried once, and couldn't contact the 'Net at all. Sounds to me as if you havn't got the routes setup correctly. A bit of quick reading might help man 8 route or, in Konqueror:- man:/usr/share/man/man8/route.8.gz Incredibly frustrating. Wesley Parish Maybe even going into the Flashier side of Apache (what it's capable of), That's a week of lessons!!! Sendmail Vs Exim or other such email servers, Neither, use Postfix or qmail:- http://postfix.planetmirror.com/start.html http://cr.yp.to/qmail.html The New Directory Services effort on behalf of Linux, and perhaps a going over of the really dumb questions that someone like myself (self taught, and probably taught myself some really bad things) could possibly ask... Got cranial overload, or a dose of data poisoning yet? :-) -- Sincerely etc., Christopher Sawtell -- Sincerely etc., Christopher Sawtell
Re: Talks/teachings for the CLUG meetings...
I agree that not everyone will enjoy boring topics sich as Bind configuration and other may even fall asleep - but dosnt anyone remember what it was like when you were a newbie and turned to chapter 40.2 in RUTE. I do more than fall asleep when I look at that chapter. I dont think topics like this should be regular, but at least once (or more) times a year so that us newbies can get to grips with the harder side of Linux. - Paul
Talks/teachings for the CLUG meetings...
I dont know about others, but I could certainly benefit from being taught a few things... Exaples might be a CORRECT way to set up a DNS server, DNS Cache Server, NFS remote RH installation, and so forth Maybe even going into the Flashier side of Apache (what it's capable of), Sendmail Vs Exim or other such email servers, The New Directory Services effort on behalf of Linux, and perhaps a going over of the really dumb questions that someone like myself (self taught, and probably taught myself some really bad things) could possibly ask...
Re: Next two CLUG meetings
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:30, Nick Rout wrote: I half remembered that the linux course at Avonmore was on Wednesdays and Thursdays so asked for days other than these week days if possible. BT wrong, at least according to the avonmore website: Dates: 19 August - 7 December 2002 Hours: 6pm to 9pm Tuesday Thursday nights 9am to 1pm Saturday Of course Chris may have changed that. He hasn't. -- Sincerely etc., Christopher Sawtell
Re: Next two CLUG meetings
With sincere appologies to Chris Sawtell for clashing with the Avonmore Linux course I will book in 14th of November for our extra meeting at the Sydenham Hall! Nick E On Thursday 12 September 2002 3:34 pm, Nick Elder CLUG wrote: Hi, The next meeting is booked for Wednesday 2nd October, I propose we go ahead with our workshop idea for that meeting. And a little nearer the time book eight computers belonging to our mailing list members, for our technical experts to help out with. Also we will of course have supper and a general chin wag. I have contacted the Sydenham Hall bookings officer and asked for a list of evenings in November when the Hall is available to us to have an extra meeting. I half remembered that the linux course at Avonmore was on Wednesdays and Thursdays so asked for days other than these week days if possible. Janet the bookings officer, has come back to me with with a reply saying that the only evening in the whole month available is Thursday the 14th of November. I propose we accept this date as we don't have much choice, and have our usual style meeting that night. I am wondering if Mahesh could do a talk then, on Linux Distros ? Your comments invited! regards, Nick Elder (Anachaic CLUG member at large) On Tuesday 03 September 2002 10:20 am, Nick Elder CLUG wrote: A show of hands was asked for, for those interested in holding monthly instead of bi-monthly meetings. Overwhelming majority were in favour of monthly meetings. The idea of having our usual kind of meeting one month and a trouble shooting workshop the next month was suggested. There was a general consensus in favour of this idea. It was suggested booking eight or so computers prior to the workshop, so as not to have to many machines for the venue or trouble shooters. I see the next meeting scheduled for the Sydenham hall is about a month away since it it at the beginning of the month this time ( Wednesday 2nd October ). I wonder if we can try squeezing eight computers in and have our trouble-shooter/workshop in there, next meeting? I think we could! Nick E
Re: Next two CLUG meetings
On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:01, Nick Elder CLUG wrote: With sincere appologies to Chris Sawtell for clashing with the Avonmore Linux course I will book in 14th of November for our extra meeting at the Sydenham Hall! The Avonmore course is on Tuesdays, Thurdays, and Saturday mornings. If my calendar is correct 14 Nov is a Thursday! I have told the Avonmore management that it is important for my professional development that I attend the CLUG meetings and they have agreed to this. I have also suggested that it would be a good idea for the students to come along too as it would give them exposure to Linux from a different perspective. Initially that idea hss been met favourably, but I don't have a final descision on the matter. Nick E On Thursday 12 September 2002 3:34 pm, Nick Elder CLUG wrote: Hi, The next meeting is booked for Wednesday 2nd October, I propose we go ahead with our workshop idea for that meeting. And a little nearer the time book eight computers belonging to our mailing list members, for our technical experts to help out with. Also we will of course have supper and a general chin wag. I have contacted the Sydenham Hall bookings officer and asked for a list of evenings in November when the Hall is available to us to have an extra meeting. I half remembered that the linux course at Avonmore was on Wednesdays and Thursdays so asked for days other than these week days if possible. Janet the bookings officer, has come back to me with with a reply saying that the only evening in the whole month available is Thursday the 14th of November. I propose we accept this date as we don't have much choice, and have our usual style meeting that night. I am wondering if Mahesh could do a talk then, on Linux Distros ? Your comments invited! regards, Nick Elder (Anachaic CLUG member at large) On Tuesday 03 September 2002 10:20 am, Nick Elder CLUG wrote: A show of hands was asked for, for those interested in holding monthly instead of bi-monthly meetings. Overwhelming majority were in favour of monthly meetings. The idea of having our usual kind of meeting one month and a trouble shooting workshop the next month was suggested. There was a general consensus in favour of this idea. It was suggested booking eight or so computers prior to the workshop, so as not to have to many machines for the venue or trouble shooters. I see the next meeting scheduled for the Sydenham hall is about a month away since it it at the beginning of the month this time ( Wednesday 2nd October ). I wonder if we can try squeezing eight computers in and have our trouble-shooter/workshop in there, next meeting? I think we could! Nick E -- Sincerely etc., Christopher Sawtell
Next two CLUG meetings
Hi, The next meeting is booked for Wednesday 2nd October, I propose we go ahead with our workshop idea for that meeting. And a little nearer the time book eight computers belonging to our mailing list members, for our technical experts to help out with. Also we will of course have supper and a general chin wag. I have contacted the Sydenham Hall bookings officer and asked for a list of evenings in November when the Hall is available to us to have an extra meeting. I half remembered that the linux course at Avonmore was on Wednesdays and Thursdays so asked for days other than these week days if possible. Janet the bookings officer, has come back to me with with a reply saying that the only evening in the whole month available is Thursday the 14th of November. I propose we accept this date as we don't have much choice, and have our usual style meeting that night. I am wondering if Mahesh could do a talk then, on Linux Distros ? Your comments invited! regards, Nick Elder (Anachaic CLUG member at large) On Tuesday 03 September 2002 10:20 am, Nick Elder CLUG wrote: A show of hands was asked for, for those interested in holding monthly instead of bi-monthly meetings. Overwhelming majority were in favour of monthly meetings. The idea of having our usual kind of meeting one month and a trouble shooting workshop the next month was suggested. There was a general consensus in favour of this idea. It was suggested booking eight or so computers prior to the workshop, so as not to have to many machines for the venue or trouble shooters. I see the next meeting scheduled for the Sydenham hall is about a month away since it it at the beginning of the month this time ( Wednesday 2nd October ). I wonder if we can try squeezing eight computers in and have our trouble-shooter/workshop in there, next meeting? I think we could! Nick E
Re: CLUG meetings
In the past Nick had some Hello my name is labels. I think they are a good idea for just what you're talking about. On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:11, Fisher Family wrote: I like to put names with faces when I have the opportunity. At the last CLUG meeting I was the only person who admitted who he was. How about each speaker stating their name for the others who do not know them? Robert
Re: CLUG meetings
I found the labels and put them in to the car to bring along tonight. (along with a felt pen). However Roberts idea of people introducing themselves when addressing the rest ot the meeting is a good idea as well I think. Nick E On Tuesday 25 June 2002 9:42 pm, Zane Gilmore wrote: In the past Nick had some Hello my name is labels. I think they are a good idea for just what you're talking about. On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:11, Fisher Family wrote: I like to put names with faces when I have the opportunity. At the last CLUG meeting I was the only person who admitted who he was. How about each speaker stating their name for the others who do not know them? Robert
CLUG meetings
I like to put names with faces when I have the opportunity. At the last CLUG meeting I was the only person who admitted who he was. How about each speaker stating their name for the others who do not know them? Robert attachment: winmail.dat
