Re: links in /windows
Thanks for the clarification. I have the general concept didn't have the right appliation. It's very handy being able to create links in my home folder to various other folders, I have a number of them. Interestingly suse mounts the partitions in the uppercase folder, then makes a lowercase link - sort of backwards and in contradiction to the general unix principle you mention of using lowercase! Roger Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:42, Roger Searle wrote: I have some partitions newly mounted in /windows - /windows/G and /windows/H - folders I created myself. I am browsing the partitions mounted there as I would expect to be able to. I notice that all the previously created folders in /windows have a clone folder with the lowercase letter - /windows/C has /windows/c etc. So I used mkdir to create /windows/G and /windows/H, then tried to create the links but realise I don't really know what I'm doing. SuSEbox:/windows # dir total 96 drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 2005-03-20 19:46 . drwxr-xr-x 24 root root 4096 2005-03-20 19:44 .. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1 2004-08-31 07:52 c - C dr-xr-xr-x 1 root users 4096 2005-03-20 08:02 C lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1 2004-08-31 07:52 d - D drwxrwxr-x 28 root users 16384 1970-01-01 12:00 D lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1 2004-08-31 07:52 e - E dr-xr-xr-x 1 root users 12288 2005-03-20 08:02 E lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1 2004-08-31 07:52 f - F drwxrwxr-x 6 root users 16384 1970-01-01 12:00 F drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2005-03-20 19:49 g drwxrwxr-x 13 root users 16384 1970-01-01 12:00 G drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2005-03-20 19:50 h drwxrwxr-x 5 root users 16384 1970-01-01 12:00 H Colour coding for the link info is green for the lowercase directory, blue for the others. I partially understand what this is showing me. The folders I created are directories (drwxrwxr-x) rather than links (lrwxr-xr-x). The permissions on the folders I created are wrong - following the example above I need to end up with rwxrwxr-x. I understand this terminology and that this is the same as 775. The links I created aren't right. For the ones already there (c - C, d - D etc) clicking c in Konqueror shows the contents of C. But if I click g I don't see the contents of G, I see G itself. The command I had used was ln -s /windows/G /windows/g So my questions... Do I even need these lowercase folder links? How do I delete these links given I have not created them correctly - is simply deleting the link folder the way to do it? How do I create these linked folders correctly (if I need them at all)? How do I assign the correct permissions once they have been created? The man page for chmod says symbolic link permissions is not changed by chmod. I think your misunderstanding is about he use of the word 'link'. Understandably, because in English the word means 'join two things', whereas in Unix-speak it means 'create an alias'. Thus to create a directory called with an upper-case letter name and a link with a lower-letter one would do the following: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/tmp $ mkdir Z # to make the directory [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/tmp $ ln -s Z z # to create the link or alias [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/tmp $ ls -l total 0 drwxr-xr-x 2 chris users 6 Mar 21 08:16 Z lrwxrwxrwx 1 chris users 1 Mar 21 08:16 z - Z Note that you do _not_ create two directories and then link them together. The reason for making an upper case directory and a lower case link to it is simply to pander to the newly arrived MS refugees who are in the habit of assuming that the naming of files and directories is case insensitive. Unix file names are case sensitive and the age-old convention is to use lower-case for everything. Thus the above keeps everybody happy. -- C. S.
ethereal's icon
Hi - I can use [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ locate ethereal | grep bin /usr/X11R6/bin/ethereal and create a desktop icon to launch it, but can't find the usual icon - locate ethereal | grep icon or grep ico gives nothing. Where would I locate the icon? It's not one of the standard ones available through the properties of a desktop icon. Cheers, Roger
Re: ethereal's icon
I struck out last night with Nick's direction on this, none of the methods revealed any obvious signs of icons! I'm going to change tack on this one a little and look to upgrade ethereal, the one on my home desktop is 0.10.3 from memory and a more recent one is available. The whole topic of software upgrades in linux is one that I really struggle with (piece of cake in windows) so a new thread on ethereal upgrade will appear before too long ie when I can find the time. Cheers, Roger Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: Here are some notes I made a while ago To find files or folders locate name locate name | less (e.g. locate icon | less) locate name | most (e.g. locate icon | most) locate name | grep another_name | most (e.g. locate icons | grep mozilla | most) or qpkg -l mozilla|grep icons|less Regards, Robert -Original Message- From: Roger Searle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2005 7:11 p.m. To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Subject: ethereal's icon Hi - I can use [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ locate ethereal | grep bin /usr/X11R6/bin/ethereal and create a desktop icon to launch it, but can't find the usual icon - locate ethereal | grep icon or grep ico gives nothing. Where would I locate the icon? It's not one of the standard ones available through the properties of a desktop icon. Cheers, Roger
Re: ethereal's icon
Nick Rout wrote: Roger what version of SuSE are you running? 9.1. My quick google of the problem last night revealed the absence of icons in earlier releases of ethereal, which lead me to conclude the best approach would be the latest release. However your determination of it being more a general suse rpm thing mean that is not the case. I had a similar situation with a mozilla package a few months back, the icons for which were easily located. Using the same approach now didn't work, I'm happy to know that it's not me! Anyone care to email me some ethereal icons? Anyway I can live with a green generic suse icon a red love heart if needed... Cheers, Roger -- C. S.
Re: ethereal's icon
Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:13, Roger Searle wrote: I struck out last night with Nick's direction on this, none of the methods revealed any obvious signs of icons! I'm going to change tack on this one a little and look to upgrade ethereal, the one on my home desktop is 0.10.3 from memory and a more recent one is available. The whole topic of software upgrades in linux is one that I really struggle with (piece of cake in windows) so a new thread on ethereal upgrade will appear before too long ie when I can find the time. Upgrades is the one thing that both Gentoo and Debian have both sorted out properly. Consider coming to the Gentoo MiniInstallFest. Thanks for the invite, I was nearly an attendee last time round and some family thing got in the way. I've swapped distributions a few times leading up to suse and think I'll stay put for now. The huge differences between windows and linux in terms of software installations and upgrades is something that used to make my head spin - still does - the ease with which I can do it in windows and the difficulties (usually total failures) and mistakes I have previously had in linux have made me really resistant to learning the ins and outs to the point of not using anything that doesn't come on the install disks (that much I can do). It's time for me to get over myself and get on with it... Roger -- C. S.
Re: ethereal's icon
indeed i do know. thanks for doing that for me. roger Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:23, Nick Rout wrote: I will email them off list later. I've sent him a 64x64, I hope he knows what to do with it. -- C. S.
Re: ethereal's icon
ahhh look at that the ethereal icon on my desktop at last !!! Roger Searle wrote: indeed i do know. thanks for doing that for me. roger Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:23, Nick Rout wrote: I will email them off list later. I've sent him a 64x64, I hope he knows what to do with it. -- C. S.
Re: EMACS customisation question
you need to thank yourself now . . . Carl Cerecke wrote: Carl Cerecke wrote: Hi, I've got the following shortcut keys defined for macros: (global-set-key [f8] 'start-kbd-macro) (global-set-key [f9] 'end-kbd-macro) (global-set-key [f10] 'call-last-kbd-macro) Now I'd like to bind the last kbd macro to (say) the key f2 with a single keyboard shortcut. In other words, after defining a macro, I want to be able to press C-f2, and thereafter pressing f2 executes that macro. FINE! I'll answer it myself then! Stick this in your init.el and repeat for as many fx keys as you want. (global-set-key '(shift f2) (lambda () (interactive) (assign-last-kbd-macro-to-key 'f2))) Cheers, Carl.
Re: OT - Tales of Digital Cameras / Video cameras
We have had a Sony DSP for a couple of years old now [I have on my to do list setting up udev with it in my spare time]. In the asbence of udev, my SuSE 9.1 distro automatically detects it's presence when plugged in and I can manage the files as per any other device within 15 seconds or so. Very easy. I got ours from a place in Auckland, had the best price at the time. Check out pricespy, they have a digital camera section. http://www.pricespy.co.nz/gid_132.html Cheers, Roger Andrew Sands wrote: Hi, List dwellers, Apologies for the recent blank out burst, should try doing only one thing at a time. I am about to purchase both a digital camera and a digital video camera. Of course, I need to make sure that I can use both devices under Linux. So, if anybody has purchased either type of device recently then I after kind of a mini review as to how usable its been. Before anyone suggests, I'll do the google thing later AS I most interested in; local supplier and local knowledge. Anyway, have a nice day. regards, Andrew
Re: OT - Laser Printer service
We used printtech for servicing an hp laserjet we used to have here. Will collect and deliver if you wish. 338 2335. I found them good to deal with. Cheers, Roger Andrew Sands wrote: Recently came into the possession of a pre-loved HP LaserJet 4 in working condition with a 10M JetDirect Board fitted. It works, but image is a bit grey and tired looking. Needs a wee bit of a clean on the outside (Very dusty been in a storeroom.) There was, if I recall some recent discussion on the list about a company that did printer servicing. Can anyone recall whom it was? If not can anybody advise places I could try for service. Looking for personal recommendations, rather than the shotgun blast google. later, Andrew
paradise email misbehaving today?
Hi, is anyone else experiencing email delivery problems with Paradise? I've not received any messages to my account all day, including ones to this list. It's not easy to find any network status messages from their home page either. Cheers, Roger
Re: paradise email misbehaving today?
My problem is just today. I just spoke with a human at the call centre who tells me a large team is working on the problem. Roger Andrew Errington wrote: On Thu, 05 May 2005 12:06, you wrote: Hi, is anyone else experiencing email delivery problems with Paradise? I've not received any messages to my account all day, including ones to this list. It's not easy to find any network status messages from their home page either. Yes, I am having the same, intermittent, problems. Sending a message (using the paradise SMTP server) sometimes takes a while (but is usually instant) and fetching mail is either instant or my client takes forever and gives up. Since the beginning of May I have also had some trouble with ftp. I have some automated scripts that upload my weather graphs to my homepage at paradise, but they have recently started keeling over and AFAIK nothing has changed at my end. I, too, searched hard for a 'status' page at Paradise, but nothing can be found. I emailed them a couple of days ago, and if I don't hear back soon I will call them. Andy
Re: paradise email misbehaving today?
Yuri do you know what was up with the paradise servers yesterday? No email delivery for at least 9 hours (that i know of). Roger yuri wrote: On 5/6/05, Nick Rout wrote: Perhaps there is a new virus or spam scam doing the rounds, they tend to clog email servers pretty fast. Yes, the latest version of the sober virus has been doing the rounds last few days. It is clogging up mail servers around the world. Yuri
Re: Saving a file
hang in there kelvin, been where you're at and moved on (a little), good to hear you are determined to stick it out, which is why i'm still here. i still have many unanswered questions, but many of them can be found right here or with google. cheers, roger motivated wrote: Linux just takes some patience to learn at first. It's worth the effort. Thanks Phil, I'm not planning on giving up soon. Regards Kelvyn
Re: Wheres my mysql
the whereis command will do the trick: seven:/home/roger # whereis mysql mysql: /usr/bin/mysql /usr/lib/mysql /usr/share/mysql /usr/share/man/man1/mysql.1.gz you might have to be root? and this didn't initially work on my suse installation until i installed the findutils-locate package (sorry, can't help you with that on your mandrake install) roger motivated wrote: OS=Mandrake 10.1 Mysql was installed as part of the default install Have tried to find it (as root) cd mysql cd /mysql server mysql start /usr/local/mysql getting desperate /usr/local/bin/mysql And several others I have now forgotten. It wasnt a complete waste of time, I had a good look around and learnt a few things, but wheres mysql please. Regards Kelvyn
starting firefox as normal user
I am dual booting my work machine, and have succeeded in installing thunderbird so I can share the email store and address book via a symlink, and created a desktop icon to start it. Similar process with firefox, and am sharing the bookmarks via a symlink to the windows bookmark file. That is all great. However my desktop icon to start firefox won't work, I can only start firefox as root via file manager super user mode. The permissions of the folders containing each application appear to be the same: seven:/usr/bin # ls -l | grep firefox drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 992 2005-05-09 13:09 firefox seven:/usr/bin # ls -l | grep thunderbird drwxr-xr-x 10 root root1008 2005-03-18 01:58 thunderbird and the permissions on the executable files the same: seven:/usr/bin/thunderbird # ls -l | grep thunderbird -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6653 2005-03-18 01:42 thunderbird -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 12928316 2005-03-18 01:57 thunderbird-bin seven:/usr/bin/firefox # ls -l | grep firefox -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root6338 2005-04-14 22:16 firefox -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9785232 2005-04-14 22:16 firefox-bin Ownership and permissions of the desktop icons are the same. What do I need to do to get the desktop icon to work for firefox? Cheers, Roger
Re: starting firefox as normal user
I downloaded the latest tar.gz file from mozilla.org - which interestingly is named firefox-2.0.3.installer.tar.gz (I didn't change it!). As either user roger or root: seven:/usr/bin/firefox # firefox bash: firefox: command not found (file is definitely there) Nick Rout wrote: where did you install firefox from? the package should have made a menu entry. click and drag it onto the desktop. If that doesn't work open a terminal and type firefox then press enter. If that produces an error report it back. On Mon, 09 May 2005 13:51:20 +1200 Roger Searle wrote: I am dual booting my work machine, and have succeeded in installing thunderbird so I can share the email store and address book via a symlink, and created a desktop icon to start it. Similar process with firefox, and am sharing the bookmarks via a symlink to the windows bookmark file. That is all great. However my desktop icon to start firefox won't work, I can only start firefox as root via file manager super user mode. The permissions of the folders containing each application appear to be the same: seven:/usr/bin # ls -l | grep firefox drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 992 2005-05-09 13:09 firefox seven:/usr/bin # ls -l | grep thunderbird drwxr-xr-x 10 root root1008 2005-03-18 01:58 thunderbird and the permissions on the executable files the same: seven:/usr/bin/thunderbird # ls -l | grep thunderbird -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6653 2005-03-18 01:42 thunderbird -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 12928316 2005-03-18 01:57 thunderbird-bin seven:/usr/bin/firefox # ls -l | grep firefox -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root6338 2005-04-14 22:16 firefox -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9785232 2005-04-14 22:16 firefox-bin Ownership and permissions of the desktop icons are the same. What do I need to do to get the desktop icon to work for firefox? Cheers, Roger
Re: starting firefox as normal user
Hi Paul, I'm not entirely sure what you mean by do you have a preferences etc set for the non-root user ?? There is no firefox or .firefox file or directory in /home/roger. Cheers, Roger Paul Swafford wrote: If I recall .. there might be an issue with the firefox identity do you have a preferences etc set for the non-root user ?? such things usually live in the user's home directory good luck Paul Roger Searle wrote: I am dual booting my work machine, and have succeeded in installing thunderbird so I can share the email store and address book via a symlink, and created a desktop icon to start it. Similar process with firefox, and am sharing the bookmarks via a symlink to the windows bookmark file. That is all great. However my desktop icon to start firefox won't work, I can only start firefox as root via file manager super user mode. The permissions of the folders containing each application appear to be the same: seven:/usr/bin # ls -l | grep firefox drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 992 2005-05-09 13:09 firefox seven:/usr/bin # ls -l | grep thunderbird drwxr-xr-x 10 root root1008 2005-03-18 01:58 thunderbird and the permissions on the executable files the same: seven:/usr/bin/thunderbird # ls -l | grep thunderbird -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6653 2005-03-18 01:42 thunderbird -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 12928316 2005-03-18 01:57 thunderbird-bin seven:/usr/bin/firefox # ls -l | grep firefox -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root6338 2005-04-14 22:16 firefox -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9785232 2005-04-14 22:16 firefox-bin Ownership and permissions of the desktop icons are the same. What do I need to do to get the desktop icon to work for firefox? Cheers, Roger
Re: starting firefox as normal user
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FIXED - Re: starting firefox as normal user
Hi Nick, My desktop icon works now. It still points to the /usr/bin/firefox file. Looks like the rpm file has installed files in opt/MozillaFirefox - presumably where I should put other things? The linux directory structure is still a bit of a mystery. I didn't get an entry in the KDE menu, I can live without that. Thanks for telling me off - I've learnt things today. Please can I go home now? Roger Roger Searle wrote: the installer is me - so for future reference, where should I have told it to install (assuming I'm silly enough to try installing any software manually again?). oh the joys of being near the bottom of the learning curve... seeing i've managed to get thunderbird working wrongly like this, I could move it to where it better belongs. and i've found the firefox rpm package from suse.com, takes a little while seeing we're still sharing a dial-up connection here. thanks for the pointers. 100 lines twice (as directed) follow... are you saying that the binary is in a directory called /usr/bin/firefox/ ?? if so the installer screwed up big time. as in write out the above another 100 times. I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my distro's packages I must use my
starting apache
Hi, I have apache2 installed on this suse 9.1 box (Yast tells me all sorts of apache2 packages are there). How can I start the server? Running httpd gives me command not found. In a browser http://seven or http://192.168.0.7 or http://localhost all give the connection was refused when attempting to contact seven. None of this is a surprise given the server isn't started. Looked so simple when Steve demonstrated it recently. Googling produces so much info on apache tutorials, and I have dozens of apache files and directories all over the place that I am overwhelmed by the whole thing and hope someone can point me in the right direction. Cheers, Roger
Re: starting apache
seven:/etc/init.d # ls -l apa* -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 8767 2005-03-16 07:50 apache2 Steve Holdoway wrote: On Mon, May 16, 2005 12:48 pm, Roger Searle said: Hi, I have apache2 installed on this suse 9.1 box (Yast tells me all sorts of apache2 packages are there). How can I start the server? Running httpd gives me command not found. In a browser http://seven or http://192.168.0.7 or http://localhost all give the connection was refused when attempting to contact seven. None of this is a surprise given the server isn't started. Looked so simple when Steve demonstrated it recently. Googling produces so much info on apache tutorials, and I have dozens of apache files and directories all over the place that I am overwhelmed by the whole thing and hope someone can point me in the right direction. Cheers, Roger Logged in as root in a command box... cd /etc/init.d ls -l apa* There should be a file apache2 there. If not, look for httpd. to start the web server, ./apache2 start You should then get response to http://localhost form your browser. hth, Steve
Re: starting apache
Success. I needed /etc/init.d/apache2 and I can get a test page in my browser now. Which I can replace with an html file of my choice. Thanks for the help. I started off in yast, and totally missed http server which I have now found . Cheers, Roger Nick Rout wrote: the answer is the same for any service on suse, go into yast and find the bit where services are started. i don't have suse available this second, follow your nose :) or go to the command line and type: /etc/init.d/apache start (of course on suse the script might be called /etc/init.d/httpd, but searching through your apache installed files would tell you: rpm -ql apache |grep init easier to use yast :) On Mon, 16 May 2005 12:48:46 +1200 Roger Searle wrote: Hi, I have apache2 installed on this suse 9.1 box (Yast tells me all sorts of apache2 packages are there). How can I start the server? Running httpd gives me command not found. In a browser http://seven or http://192.168.0.7 or http://localhost all give the connection was refused when attempting to contact seven. None of this is a surprise given the server isn't started. Looked so simple when Steve demonstrated it recently. Googling produces so much info on apache tutorials, and I have dozens of apache files and directories all over the place that I am overwhelmed by the whole thing and hope someone can point me in the right direction. Cheers, Roger
Re: Configuring USB ADSL modem in SUSE
To get a file into an editor, here are some gui options. Get a konqueror window going (on the start menu, click Home). (or add another application button to your taskbar called home and use that). Navigate up a few levels and go to the /etc directory, find the file called fstab, click it. You will be viewing the contents of the file but can't do anything with it. Click back, then right click the file, choose open with, then kate. You will then have opened the file in the kate editor. You could now modify the fstab file (but don't - it's an interesting one though, which you may like to google about). Try the same again by browsing to the /var/log directory, and click the messages file (the one Volker refers to). You won't be able to view the contents as you don't have permission to do so - you need root permissions - so you need to start up File Manager Super User Mode (start, system, file manager menu), enter your root password, then you can navigate to the /var/log directory, now you can right click it and open in kate. Careful what you do here though! There are alot of lines in this file! In this situation it can be better to use the command line and grep to narrow down what you need to find - but I'll have to leave that to someone else to tell you about (cause I don't know what it is you need to find). And there are command line options for this sort of thing, but this will get you going initially. Works for me anyway. Maybe someone would like to elaborate further or provide better ways of doing this? Roger Deane Foreman wrote: I may be looking at the resources tab for the modem in the wrong place because all the information it gives me is the bit rate, which is zero. There is a tab for Drivers, but it is disabled. You'll have to give me very basic instructions for the use of lsmod and the modprobe line I'm afraid. Is this something I use through the command line interface? I have set up a Terminal Sessions button on the taskbar (thanks Roger) but there are two options that begin with Root (Root Shell and Midnight Commander?? from memory - I'm in windoze typing this). Also, I don't understand what you mean by editor, or how to load a file into one. I do hope windoze and the graphical user interface hasn't ruined me for real computing Deane - Original Message - From: Volker Kuhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Configuring USB ADSL modem in SUSE I note that Suse is detecting my modem (Dynalink ALE070 with Globespanvirata (Conexant??)chipset when I look under: SUSE Hardware toolUnknown deviceGlobespan USB-ADSL Modem. That might not be proof that Linux can handle that modem. Every USB device has an identification string, which can always be read by Linux. I inserted the device using the harware tool and it reports that the driver is loaded, and it should be possible to use the device. Lookup in the resources tab what driver it has loaded (the modprobe line(s)). Then check with lsmod that that module is indeed loaded. You can also try and load the module from root's command line, which might be more informative. Make sure the module is not loaded (easiest to reboot), check that with lsmod. The type the modprobe command and see if it says anything interesting. Immediately after load the file /var/log/messages into your favourite editor and read from the end(!) backwards, looking for any line related to the module loading. This should show any low level communication problems with kernel and modem. If you're certain that the modem is functional under Linux, you can try to connect to your ISP. Modems sold in NZ should be preconfigured for NZ's line parameters, however if you use yast then it's theoretically possible that yast overrides those values which it can control. Then you need to get your user name and password just right... :) Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.
Re: Configuring USB ADSL modem in SUSE
well, icons, on your taskbar... when you right click your taskbar, you get the options to add or remove buttons. like when you added the special button for terminal sessions. Deane Foreman wrote: (Buttons? My mouse has buttons?...)
suse shutdown hangs
Hi, suse 9.1, when I shut down this machine (and have pressed F2 to see the details) all the commands complete without error, as far as the usual second to last line of proc umounting. Last thing to appear prior to powering off is the system will be halted immediately however the system will not halt and needs to be reset. This problem is not exhibited on a restart, only on a shut down, and is consistently exhibited. I don't see this behaviour on my home machine or laptop. Is this related to acpi in some way? A SuSE problem or kernel version? Any clues are appreciated. Cheers, Roger
Re: Deane's dual-boot machine + modem
While you still need to dual boot (as I do), we can get thunderbird going so that you can access your email from both OSes. Roger Deane Foreman wrote: Forgot to add, I had to reinstall grub before I could boot into Suse to try the different sync.bin files so it was grub that was at fault - not the modem or the driver. - Original Message - From: Deane Foreman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 10:35 PM Subject: Re: Deane's dual-boot machine + modem Nick, I did try about ten different sync.bin files before giving up - there looked to be a lot of sync.bin files there too. It was when I booted into windows after that that it hung. All of the rest of the settings I checked and they were correct as far as I know. It does go, you're right. - Original Message - From: Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Deane's dual-boot machine + modem On Thu, May 19, 2005 8:39 pm, Steve Holdoway said: Nick Rout wrote: Can't think what the modem has to do with it. grub sounds like the likely thing. I totally agree, but I put those usb adsl thingies right up with flash as the spawn of satan. Steve Having said that, this one did work, but Deane is right in saying that the router he is getting should be a whole lot easier.
OT - rugby ticket (cheap)
Hi, I suddenly have a single ticket for tonight's game for less than cost price (one of our group is sick). $30 (worth $35), good seat in the new west stand, right on half way, in the lower bowl towards the back (under shelter, I'm pretty sure). Any takers? Email me off list to this address before 4:00, or txt or phone me after that on 021 297 3187 if you're interested. Cheers, Roger
adsl modem recommendations?
Hi, I have discovered today that my local phone exchange box thing now supports adsl (actually it has for the last 6 months). I am just waiting for confirmation of available capacity from that cabinet (it has been fully subscribed in the past prior to the recent addition of a new bit and there is the possibility of this too being full). The usb modem given away by telstra clear doesn't support linux so I'm in the market for one. Does anyone have recommendations for good makes and models? Or ones to stay away from? Probably with 4 ethernet ports so I can plug it into my now full 5 port switch. Linux friendly of course. Cheers, Roger
Re: adsl modem recommendations?
Yes, basically with Telstra Clear (Paradise). From my conversation last night with the sales person, I understand it to be a usb cable only, ie no ethernet port to connect to my switch. Perhaps I will clarify when I am contacted today - and maybe just get the thing anyway - it is free so nothing to lose. I will check that whatever I get is capable of PPPoE - thanks for that one Steve. Presumably their freebie is. My final day giving $$$ to telecom is near... broadband or not :-) Roger Richard Tindall wrote: On Tue, 2005-05-24 at 09:56 +1200, Derek Smithies wrote: Get the free modem from Telecom. That's the DSL-302G Robert referred to. (Roger's wanting Telstra tho?)
Re: the hand of fate...
Given you have a choice, anyone BUT telecom (being the company responsible for the current price and speeds available for NZ being amongst the worst in the oecd). Roger Steve Holdoway wrote: Steve Holdoway wrote: Just had a call from ihug telling me I've got to get off their bundled telecon service by the end of next month, and offering me a wonderful new ubs bliink version at a really cheap price of - you guessed it - exactly the same! Anyone got any suppestions for a decent 2MB service from an isp that offers decent service and reliable newsgroups? Is it telstra clear time? Cheers, Steve It looks like it's down to either staying with ihug, going on to blink, or transferring to telecon. Anyone got any thoughts? Cheers, Steve
Re: the hand of fate...
Seems we're not quite so bad as I thought - 22nd out of 30. I seem to recall us being 34 out of 35 not so long ago with somewhere like Mexico being 35th. Suppose it depends on what you are measuring... http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/UNID/4FDE3B109A4745CDCC25700C002E19BC On second thought, probably pr spin, and when I hear about gigabit broadband being trialled in Hong Kong, it puts things in perspective. June will be a good month - the last one I give Telecom any money. Except the next time my daughter needs another 500 txts... Yuri, would you like a ride to the polling booth? It would seem we're headed in the same direction! yuri wrote: On 26/05/05, Roger Searle wrote: Given you have a choice, anyone BUT telecom (being the company responsible for the current price and speeds available for NZ being amongst the worst in the oecd). Unbundled bitstream is just a lame concession. What we need is proper local loop unbundling. This will be an election issue for me. Yuri
Re: Gmail invitation
i only have 50 invites left, suppose i could spare one of them for a member of this list :-) roger Robert Fisher wrote: We now have another border living with us and our eldest son has moved home - that makes 5 large boys and Paula and I to feed and connect to the internet. I have set up another LTSP client for the 2nd border and was considering getting him a Gmail account. Any pros and cons or words of advice? Any spare invitations available? Would I be better using Orcon who have free email accounts?
k3b, no cd drive
Hi, when trying to use k3b there is no device listed for the reading or writing device. Trying to refresh or add a device through configure k3b devices, using either /dev/hdd or /media/cdrecorder just gives could not find an additional device at [either of those paths]. Trying to view files on a cd in konqueror fails too. The device does work and burn cds in windows. I can start investigating via the command line (I'm making some progress on that), but this is as far as I can get: SuSEbox:/media/cdrecorder # mount | grep cd /dev/hdd on /media/cdrecorder type subfs (ro,nosuid,nodev,fs=cdfss,procuid,iocharset=utf8) SuSEbox:/home/roger # cd /media/cdrecorder/ SuSEbox:/media/cdrecorder # ls /bin/ls: .: No medium found [so even as root, there appear to be no files on the disk] SuSEbox:/media/cdrecorder # dmesg | grep media[umm... not sure if this is relevant] subfs: unsuccessful attempt to mount media (256) subfs: unsuccessful attempt to mount media (256) SuSEbox:/media/cdrecorder # dmesg | grep hdd ide1: BM-DMA at 0xd008-0xd00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio [so at least the device was found on booting] I'm stuck now - can anyone help? It's great using k3b at work, it works really well and I like it much better than nero. But at home, suse appears to think this drive is dead? Cheers, Roger
k3b, no cd drive
Hi, when trying to use k3b there is no device listed for the reading or writing device. Trying to refresh or add a device through configure k3b devices, using either /dev/hdd or /media/cdrecorder just gives could not find an additional device at [either of those paths]. Trying to view files on a cd in konqueror fails too. The device does work and burn cds in windows. I can start investigating via the command line (I'm making some progress on that), but this is as far as I can get: SuSEbox:/media/cdrecorder # mount | grep cd /dev/hdd on /media/cdrecorder type subfs (ro,nosuid,nodev,fs=cdfss,procuid,iocharset=utf8) SuSEbox:/home/roger # cd /media/cdrecorder/ SuSEbox:/media/cdrecorder # ls /bin/ls: .: No medium found [so even as root, there appear to be no files on the disk] SuSEbox:/media/cdrecorder # dmesg | grep media[umm... not sure if this is relevant] subfs: unsuccessful attempt to mount media (256) subfs: unsuccessful attempt to mount media (256) SuSEbox:/media/cdrecorder # dmesg | grep hdd ide1: BM-DMA at 0xd008-0xd00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio [so at least the device was found on booting] I'm stuck now - can anyone help? It's great using k3b at work, it works really well and I like it much better than nero. But at home, suse appears to think this drive is dead? Cheers, Roger
Re: k3b, no cd drive
SuSEbox:/home/roger # uname -a Linux SuSEbox 2.6.5-7.151-default #1 Fri Mar 18 11:31:21 UTC 2005 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux k3b version is 0.11.12. so on both counts I am somewhat behind. Given that I'll be sticking with suse, and that yast doesn't report that a kernel upgrade is available, how can I get my kernel updated? Using yast preferably - though maybe it's time for me to learn how to download and compile it? I don't know why yast isn't reporting a newer kernel version is available, I have successfully updated the kernel on this machine before using yast. Roger Steve Holdoway wrote: Roger Searle wrote: Hi, when trying to use k3b there is no device listed for the reading or writing device. Trying to refresh or add a device through configure k3b devices, using either /dev/hdd or /media/cdrecorder just gives could not find an additional device at [either of those paths]. Trying to view files on a cd in konqueror fails too. The device does work and burn cds in windows. I can start investigating via the command line (I'm making some progress on that), but this is as far as I can get: SuSEbox:/media/cdrecorder # mount | grep cd /dev/hdd on /media/cdrecorder type subfs (ro,nosuid,nodev,fs=cdfss,procuid,iocharset=utf8) SuSEbox:/home/roger # cd /media/cdrecorder/ SuSEbox:/media/cdrecorder # ls /bin/ls: .: No medium found [so even as root, there appear to be no files on the disk] SuSEbox:/media/cdrecorder # dmesg | grep media[umm... not sure if this is relevant] subfs: unsuccessful attempt to mount media (256) subfs: unsuccessful attempt to mount media (256) SuSEbox:/media/cdrecorder # dmesg | grep hdd ide1: BM-DMA at 0xd008-0xd00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio [so at least the device was found on booting] I'm stuck now - can anyone help? It's great using k3b at work, it works really well and I like it much better than nero. But at home, suse appears to think this drive is dead? Cheers, Roger Unfortunately, all I'm doing is asking for more info. There was a monumental mess at around kernel 2.6.8 that trashed, amongst other things, k3b. So it's really important that you get the relevant versions of k3b for the kernel you're running. Personally, I'd suggest getting up to kernel version 2.6.11 - it seems pretty stable, and I'm successfully running k3b 0.11.23 on that. Alternatively, upgrade to debian (^: Steve
Re: k3b, no cd drive
SuSEbox:/home/roger # cdrecord --scanbus dev=ATAPI scsidev: 'ATAPI' devname: 'ATAPI' scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2 Use of ATA is preferred over ATAPI. Warning: Using ATA Packet interface. Warning: The related libscg interface code is in pre alpha. Warning: There may be fatal problems. Using libscg version 'schily-0.8'. scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) 'AOPEN ' 'CD-RW CRW4048 ' '1.05' Removable CD-ROM 0,1,0 1) * 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) * 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * It's correctly identifying the manufacturer and speed of the device. Still, I'm getting Could not enter folder /media/cdrecorder when trying to view files on a cd. So my problem isn't really about k3b itself, the drive won't see any files regardless of method in suse. I'd swap another drive into the machine if I had one, unfortunately it's the only one in the house right now. Got to boot to windows in the mean time to make CDs :-((would rather not). Cheers, Roger Nick Rout wrote: On Sun, June 5, 2005 12:06 am, Ross Drummond said: Running cdrecord --scanbus from the command line may yield some useful info. AFAIK that will only get scsi emulated devices. To get IDE devices where there is no scsi emulation in place (as should be the case with 2.6.x kernels) you will need: cdrecord --scanbus dev=ATAPI: Cheers Ross Drummond On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 15:56, Roger Searle wrote: Hi, when trying to use k3b there is no device listed for the reading or writing device. Trying to refresh or add a device through configure k3b devices, using either /dev/hdd or /media/cdrecorder just gives could not find an additional device at [either of those paths]. Cheers, Roger
Re: k3b, no cd drive
Owner, group and others can view and modify content of the /media/cdrecorder folder (from viewing the permissions in konqueror). As for the /dev/hdd file, it is owner can read and write, group and others are forbidden. Not sure if this is what you want - to be honest I don't really understand your question as far as the difference between the device and the mount point (if the above isn't what you wanted). How can I get this information from the command line? Nick Rout wrote: Sounds like you have a permission problem. So tell us what the ownership permissions are on the device and mount point. On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 18:51 +1200, Roger Searle wrote: SuSEbox:/home/roger # cdrecord --scanbus dev=ATAPI scsidev: 'ATAPI' devname: 'ATAPI' scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2 Use of ATA is preferred over ATAPI. Warning: Using ATA Packet interface. Warning: The related libscg interface code is in pre alpha. Warning: There may be fatal problems. Using libscg version 'schily-0.8'. scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) 'AOPEN ' 'CD-RW CRW4048 ' '1.05' Removable CD-ROM 0,1,0 1) * 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) * 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * It's correctly identifying the manufacturer and speed of the device. Still, I'm getting Could not enter folder /media/cdrecorder when trying to view files on a cd. So my problem isn't really about k3b itself, the drive won't see any files regardless of method in suse. I'd swap another drive into the machine if I had one, unfortunately it's the only one in the house right now. Got to boot to windows in the mean time to make CDs :-((would rather not). Cheers, Roger Nick Rout wrote: On Sun, June 5, 2005 12:06 am, Ross Drummond said: Running cdrecord --scanbus from the command line may yield some useful info. AFAIK that will only get scsi emulated devices. To get IDE devices where there is no scsi emulation in place (as should be the case with 2.6.x kernels) you will need: cdrecord --scanbus dev=ATAPI: Cheers Ross Drummond On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 15:56, Roger Searle wrote: Hi, when trying to use k3b there is no device listed for the reading or writing device. Trying to refresh or add a device through configure k3b devices, using either /dev/hdd or /media/cdrecorder just gives could not find an additional device at [either of those paths]. Cheers, Roger
Re: k3b, no cd drive
I should have googled in the first place before trying to see what's going on with the permissions, and now that I've found the command can see that I get better info this way too. I saw that the permissions on /media/cdrecorder (the mount point?) is everyone has rwx. And on the device is only root had rw, the group and others had nothing. So using chmod I gave group and others rw permission. Yet still the device appears to be dead... SuSEbox:/home/roger # ls -l /media/ total 12 drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 2005-05-30 06:29 . drwxr-xr-x 24 root root 4096 2005-06-05 08:27 .. drwxrwxrwx 1 root root0 2005-06-06 05:17 cdrecorder drwxrwxrwx 1 root root0 2005-06-06 05:17 floppy drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2005-05-19 05:48 usb-storage-odd-Sony-SonyDSC:0:0:0p1 SuSEbox:/home/roger # ls -l /dev/hdd brw--- 1 roger disk 22, 64 2004-04-07 01:27 /dev/hdd SuSEbox:/home/roger # chmod a+rw /dev/hdd SuSEbox:/home/roger # ls -l /dev/hdd brw-rw-rw- 1 roger disk 22, 64 2004-04-07 01:27 /dev/hdd SuSEbox:/home/roger # cd /media/cdrecorder/ SuSEbox:/media/cdrecorder # ls /bin/ls: .: No medium found The interesting thing that's come from this exercise is that I now realise that I'm preferring to use the command line to do this, so in that regard I'm making progress. Now if only I could get the drive working... Roger Nick Rout wrote: Sounds like you have a permission problem. So tell us what the ownership permissions are on the device and mount point. On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 18:51 +1200, Roger Searle wrote: SuSEbox:/home/roger # cdrecord --scanbus dev=ATAPI scsidev: 'ATAPI' devname: 'ATAPI' scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2 Use of ATA is preferred over ATAPI. Warning: Using ATA Packet interface. Warning: The related libscg interface code is in pre alpha. Warning: There may be fatal problems. Using libscg version 'schily-0.8'. scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) 'AOPEN ' 'CD-RW CRW4048 ' '1.05' Removable CD-ROM 0,1,0 1) * 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) * 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * It's correctly identifying the manufacturer and speed of the device. Still, I'm getting Could not enter folder /media/cdrecorder when trying to view files on a cd. So my problem isn't really about k3b itself, the drive won't see any files regardless of method in suse. I'd swap another drive into the machine if I had one, unfortunately it's the only one in the house right now. Got to boot to windows in the mean time to make CDs :-((would rather not). Cheers, Roger Nick Rout wrote: On Sun, June 5, 2005 12:06 am, Ross Drummond said: Running cdrecord --scanbus from the command line may yield some useful info. AFAIK that will only get scsi emulated devices. To get IDE devices where there is no scsi emulation in place (as should be the case with 2.6.x kernels) you will need: cdrecord --scanbus dev=ATAPI: Cheers Ross Drummond On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 15:56, Roger Searle wrote: Hi, when trying to use k3b there is no device listed for the reading or writing device. Trying to refresh or add a device through configure k3b devices, using either /dev/hdd or /media/cdrecorder just gives could not find an additional device at [either of those paths]. Cheers, Roger
Re: k3b, no cd drive
SuSEbox:/home/roger # file -Ls /dev/hdd /dev/hdd: writable, That's it. Not good. Nick Rout wrote: On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 13:54 +1200, Roger Searle wrote: I should have googled in the first place before trying to see what's going on with the permissions, and now that I've found the command can see that I get better info this way too. I saw that the permissions on /media/cdrecorder (the mount point?) is everyone has rwx. And on the device is only root had rw, the group and others had nothing. So using chmod I gave group and others rw permission. Yet still the device appears to be dead... SuSEbox:/home/roger # ls -l /media/ total 12 drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 2005-05-30 06:29 . drwxr-xr-x 24 root root 4096 2005-06-05 08:27 .. drwxrwxrwx 1 root root0 2005-06-06 05:17 cdrecorder drwxrwxrwx 1 root root0 2005-06-06 05:17 floppy drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2005-05-19 05:48 usb-storage-odd-Sony-SonyDSC:0:0:0p1 SuSEbox:/home/roger # ls -l /dev/hdd brw--- 1 roger disk 22, 64 2004-04-07 01:27 /dev/hdd SuSEbox:/home/roger # chmod a+rw /dev/hdd SuSEbox:/home/roger # ls -l /dev/hdd brw-rw-rw- 1 roger disk 22, 64 2004-04-07 01:27 /dev/hdd SuSEbox:/home/roger # cd /media/cdrecorder/ SuSEbox:/media/cdrecorder # ls /bin/ls: .: No medium found The interesting thing that's come from this exercise is that I now realise that I'm preferring to use the command line to do this, so in that regard I'm making progress. Now if only I could get the drive working... Are you sure there is a cd in there that has a file system that is understood by your linux system? I say that because if you wrote it under windows it may have a udf (packet) filesystem. try this as root: sf root # file -Ls /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 /dev/cdroms/cdrom0: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'WIN98 SE ' (bootable) OK so the file command tells me that the cd in the device /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 is ISO 9660, is bootable and is labelled Windows 98 SE (OK so I am caught out!) You may need to substitute your own cdrom device for /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 Roger Nick Rout wrote:
FIXED Re: k3b, no cd drive
Thanks everyone for all the suggestions. I have eventually realised that when the drive recently visited the daughter/partner's machine for it's annual format/install, it had to be jumpered as master (sharing a cable), but wasn't changed back when going back in this one (alone on it's cable). And now I understand that this makes a big difference in linux because hdc and hdd aren't the same thing. Stupid mistake that hopefully I won't make again. Cheers, Roger Volker Kuhlmann wrote: Sounds like you have a permission problem. So tell us what the ownership permissions are on the device and mount point. No, this is not really relevant on SuSE. Sorry I haven't followed this thread closely, but there's some silly problem in there. From your kernel version I deduce you're on SuSE 9.1. Permission on the device are automatically configured for every graphical login: perm 600, ownership the logged in user. The second person who logs in graphically gets no access - there isn't really a better way of doing it. By default, users logged in via consoles or ssh get no access either. There is no way to tell in advance how you'd want it, if you want to change it, change the resmgr configuration. If you manually change permissions on the mount point, it'll last until next login/logout. Permissions on the mount point are likewise irrelevant, as by default subfs (an automounter) is already mounted on the mount point. When you insert a disk, the automounter will examine it, and then on the fly mount it when you access it (eg ls), and immediately unmount it when ls is finished. I'm saying this because it can cause some unexpected behaviour with find, du, and df if you're unaware of it. By default, subfs checks for the filesystems udf and iso9660. If you need others, change the line in /ets/fstab (after reading up on subfs). Btw, on SuSE you access cdrecord devices with /dev/devicename, at least since 9.2, though it's possible there's a problem with that on 9.1 still. It's not possible that k3b has the problem you describe, people would have stampeded SuSE headquarters before now. Also, forget about updating the kernel to a vanilla one on any SuSE system unless you a) know how to compile and install kernels, b) are able to deal with the general system breakage which this will cause afterwards. My suggestions would be: * DO make sure you have installed the latest fixes with YOU. * Check there's a symlink /dev/cdrecorder (or something like it) pointing to the actual device (hdd or whatever). You should be able to recreate this in yast under optical drive config. * Check subfs is running on the mount point. Should read something like /dev/hdb on /media/dvd type subfs (ro,nosuid,nodev,fs=iso9660:udf:ext2) * I assume you have already checked somehow that the drive itself is in working condition. If so, swapping in another drive won't solve anything. * Did you fiddle with the system? What did you do? Does this give a hint on why you might have broken cd burning? * If you want to test whether your box reads anything from the media, use dd. I've said this so often now, it's becoming boring. If you want to eliminate permission problems, run dd as root. HTH, Volker
Re: FIXED Re: k3b, no cd drive
in my original email i attempted to do this and posted the output of dmesg | grep media, and grep hdd, though wasn't clear enough myself about what it was telling me. i was close. i'm just glad that it is finally working, and that i predominantly used a command line approach, which tells me i am making slow but steady progress up the (still steep but flattening) learning curve. Nick Rout wrote: Shheeesh it just shows the value of starting debugging at the start, like (in hindsight) dmesg|grep -i hd might have offered a clue :-) as i say, perfect 20/20 vision in hindsight! (shows the value of the command line too :-) On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 06:12:01 +1200 Roger Searle wrote: Thanks everyone for all the suggestions. [snip] , it had to be jumpered as master (sharing a cable), hdc and hdd aren't the same thing.
Re: Spare gmail invite?
there's one on it's way now. Phill Coxon wrote: Hi. Anyone have a spare gmail invite they can give to me to give to a friend? Thanks!
Re: FIXED Re: k3b, no cd drive
i'm getting old enough (but not THAT old) to struggle these days in this department. when i moved that drive to the other machine temporarily, i was probably thinking: must remember to change the jumper back must remember to change the jumper back must remember to change the jumper back must remember to change the jumper back and an hour later had totally forgotten :-( i'm certainly starting to collect some of the commands, now the challenge is to retain some of the switches too. with a bit of luck, tomorrow i may still recall that -i is case insensitive for grep... i did however just solve an unavailable windows partition on this machine with a combination of a single google search, fdisk, cat, mount, md, ln, ls and joe as editor (rather than kate launched from file manager super user mode), ie totally non-gui (except for googling). so for a change am feeling a degree of cleverness rather than totally stupid! we improve by remembering these things for next time.
Re: Spare gmail invite?
I may be mis-interpreting your question if you didn't realise Slosh has accessed his gmail via a pop client - if this is what you do want look here: http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=12103topic=194 http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=12103topic=194 Plua there is an option to then keep a copy in gmail's inbox or have it archived automatically, so that it is still available online from elsewhere. Roger Jamie Dobbs wrote: Why not. Now that Slosh has shown how to normalise an account, for list purposes. Yes please. Where can I find this information?
Re: Puzzle apparently solved; MTU the clue (Was: Puzzle, ppp)
not sure why it's there, but it sure is a cool puzzle to solve! and not quite as hard as the name might imply. a quiet place for half an hour or so is required though. i ended up finding it easier to use a spreadsheet to put the bits together. a good puzzle for the logical thinkers among us (?everyone here?). roger Carl Cerecke wrote: Speaking of solving puzzles, etc. Why is there an EinsteinRiddle page on the clug wiki? Now that's puzzling. Cheers, Carl.
making coasters with k3b
Hi, I'm trying to back up a cd with k3b but am making coasters. The copy goes fine, then track 1 writes, the failure comes at the point of fixating track 1. The first attempt and failure suggested I should run k3b as root, which I did the second time. Here is the output of the error message (long). It does mention a write error occured but it doesn't help me understand why writing keeps failing. Can anyone help? SuSE 9.1. Cheers, Roger SuSEbox:/home/roger # uname -a Linux SuSEbox 2.6.5-7.155.29-default #1 Thu Jun 2 12:07:05 UTC 2005 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux System --- K3b Version:0.11.12 KDE Version: 3.2.1 QT Version: 3.3.1 cdrecord --- scsidev: '/dev/hdd' devname: '/dev/hdd' scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2 Linux sg driver version: 3.5.27 /usr/bin/cdrecord: Warning: using inofficial libscg transport code version ([EMAIL PROTECTED] '@(#)scsi-linux-sg.c 1.80 04/03/08 Copyright 1997 J. Schilling'). SCSI buffer size: 64512 Cdrecord-Clone-dvd 2.01a27 (i686-suse-linux) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Jrg Schilling Note: This version is an unofficial (modified) version with DVD support Note: and therefore may have bugs that are not present in the original. Note: Please send bug reports or support requests to http://www.suse.de/feedback Note: The author of cdrecord should not be bothered with problems in this version. TOC Type: 0 = CD-DA Using libscg version 'schily-0.8'. Driveropts: 'burnfree' atapi: 1 Device type : Removable CD-ROM Version : 0 Response Format: 1 Vendor_info : 'AOPEN ' Identifikation : 'CD-RW CRW4048 ' Revision : '1.05' Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW. Current: 0x0009 Profile: 0x0008 Profile: 0x0009 (current) Profile: 0x000A Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr). Driver flags : MMC-2 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE FORCESPEED Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R96R Drive buf size : 1359872 = 1328 KB FIFO size : 4194304 = 4096 KB Encoding speed : 338x (25346 sectors/s) for libedc from Heiko Eifeldt pregap1: -1 Track 01: audio 50 MB (05:01.29) no preemp Track 02: audio 42 MB (04:14.90) no preemp pregapsize: 0 Track 03: audio 36 MB (03:38.93) no preemp pregapsize: 0 Track 04: audio 30 MB (03:03.96) no preemp pregapsize: 0 Track 05: audio 43 MB (04:16.97) no preemp pregapsize: 0 Track 06: audio 29 MB (02:54.80) no preemp pregapsize: 0 Track 07: audio 23 MB (02:21.06) no preemp pregapsize: 0 Track 08: audio 37 MB (03:43.80) no preemp pregapsize: 0 Track 09: audio 26 MB (02:37.00) no preemp pregapsize: 0 Track 10: audio 35 MB (03:32.33) no preemp pregapsize: 0 Track 11: audio 33 MB (03:16.38) no preemp pregapsize: 0 Track 12: audio 38 MB (03:49.97) no preemp pregapsize: 0 Total size: 429 MB (42:31.42) = 191357 sectors Lout start: 429 MB (42:33/32) = 191357 sectors Current Secsize: 2048 ATIP info from disk: Indicated writing power: 5 Is not unrestricted Is not erasable Disk sub type: Medium Type A, high Beta category (A+) (3) ATIP start of lead in: -11634 (97:26/66) ATIP start of lead out: 359848 (79:59/73) Disk type: Short strategy type (Phthalocyanine or similar) Manuf. index: 3 Manufacturer: CMC Magnetics Corporation Blocks total: 359848 Blocks current: 359848 Blocks remaining: 168491 Forcespeed is OFF. Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 40.0 in real RAW/RAW96R mode for single session. Last chance to quit, starting real write in 2 seconds. 1 seconds. 0 seconds. Operation starts. Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready. trackno=0 BURN-Free is ON. Performing OPC... Writing lead-in at sector -11634 Lead-in write time: 19.506s Writing pregap for track 1 at -150 Starting new track at sector: 0 Track 01: 0 of 52 MB written. Track 01: 1 of 52 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 90%] 11.0x. Track 01: 2 of 52 MB written (fifo 98%) [buf 81%] 3.0x. Track 01: 3 of 52 MB written (fifo 98%) [buf 65%] 12.9x. Track 01: 4 of 52 MB written (fifo 98%) [buf 49%] 13.2x. Track 01: 5 of 52 MB written (fifo 98%) [buf 33%] 13.0x. Track 01: 6 of 52 MB written (fifo 98%) [buf 17%] 13.3x. Track 01: 7 of 52 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 12%] 12.9x. Track 01: 8 of 52 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 75%] 13.1x. Track 01: 9 of 52 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 86%] 7.7x. Track 01: 10 of 52 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 70%] 13.2x. Track 01: 11 of 52 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 54%] 13.1x. Track 01: 12 of 52 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 37%] 13.3x. Track 01: 13 of 52 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 20%] 13.0x. Track 01: 14 of 52 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 3%] 13.2x. Track 01: 15 of 52 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 69%] 12.9x. Track 01: 16 of 52 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 86%] 7.8x. Track 01: 17 of 52 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 70%] 13.2x. Track 01: 18 of 52 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 54%] 13.4x. Track 01: 19 of 52 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 37%] 13.1x. Track 01: 20 of 52 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 21%] 13.6x. Track 01: 21 of 52 MB written (fifo 98%) [buf 6%] 13.1x. Track 01: 22 of 52 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 58%] 12.7x. Track 01: 23 of
Re: making coasters with k3b
thanks for all the suggestions. today the drive is being detected by k3b as the reader device, but no device is detected for burning (it should be the same device). so i'll put it down to a failing drive at least. it's still working in windows - yesterday it had no difficulty burning a disk at 16x (though perhaps not for much longer). i have the latest kernel and version of k3b available through yast. for now i'll have to stick with burning disks with k3b at work, where it is working fine, and i much prefer that to nero on windows. roger Ross Drummond wrote: I use the cdrdao command to duplicate cds'. You put the source cd in your burner drive. An image file is transfered to your hard drive. You are prompted to remove the source cdrom and replace it with a blank cd to write. The program cleans up the files it creates on your hard drive and exits. Here is the command which I have adapted to your machine from the debugging output you provided. cdrdao copy --device /dev/hdd --eject --driver generic-mmc If you do a lot of cd copying it may be usefull to alias this command. Hope that helps. Cheers Ross Drumond On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:52, Roger Searle wrote: Hi, I'm trying to back up a cd with k3b but am making coasters. The copy
Re: OT - anyone else having roblems with the net today?
I've had a few of these today, and with the paradise home page just now: The following error occurred: [code=GATEWAY_TIMEOUT] A gateway timeout occurred. The server is unreachable. Retry the request. I can ping ihug.co.nz and google.co.nz - we're on ihug here. This morning my paradise adsl was working fine at home. I've just been looking at my paradise webmail without any problems though. The xtramsn site seems ok here too. Roger Nick Rout wrote: On my paradise adsl link, cannot access the paradise home page, ihug home page or xtra home page. I can access, slashdot, demon.net (UK) and most overseas sites. my neighbours (on the same floor, xtra adsl) can ping my ip, but cannot get name resolution or access xtra's home page. for some reason their dns is set top paradise's dns servers. Seems like some sort of preering issue - anyone seeing anything similar?
Re: Greylisting [was Re: OT: horse]
I'm involved with the administration of around a dozen email lists that run via mailman. They would typically get at least half a dozen messages a day that were either spam or viruses/worms etc and generate an email requesting they be dealt with by the individual list admins. A couple of months ago the main administrator introduced a package called milter-greylist , which does just what Volker is referring to - if you're not subscribed, go away and try again in 2 minutes. Legitimate messages are resent by the ISP and get through next time. Literally overnight the number of messages that needed to be dealt with by the administrators went from several a day to zero and I've not seen an admin notice from any of the lists for weeks now. Absolutely magic :-)) http://hcpnet.free.fr/milter-greylist/ and plenty of hits in google. Cheers, Roger Volker Kuhlmann wrote: Greylisting mail is completely pointless, due to all of the methods having been published in great detail. I'm not sure that reasoning holds. Rejecting all email from senders which haven't sent anything before with a service unavailable, try again in X minutes is, theoretical anyway, covered by the mail transport protocol. Obviously this won't get rid of spammers who in fact do try again in X minutes, but it does get rid of rubbish from worms etc which lack more sophisticated retry mechanisms. It also gets rid of the vast majority of spammers who don't bother to retry. I'd expect that to change though as soon as it's making a noticable dent into the spammers' success. Still more time for the filters to catch up... Volker
Re: ADSL modem/switch/wireless combo with Linux
I recently purchased the Linksys WRT54G for home, have had no problems with it, works fine with firefox linux. It came on the recommendation of a network engineer friend. Since getting my one, I have subsequently seen it recommended in a number of forums. Roger Carl Cerecke wrote: I'm looking at buying one of these modem/switch/wireless combos. I'm looking for recommendations. I want reliability and works-with-linux So far, the choices are: Linksys WAG54G Dynalink RTA770W Dynalink Z660-HW Netgear DG834G They are all about the same price. Cheers, Carl.
Re: ADSL link problems
You may have tried this already, but what follows is my experience resolving similar telecom issues with phones and adsl that exist in the house... It may take a couple of minutes for the adsl link to activate after switching the box on. If you've powered it down, leave off for a minute before switching back on. (We have frequent brown-outs at home which break the link, and successful re-connection seems to need this). Are you sure the filter is good? I first connected with a faulty filter which created difficulties! Use a new one if you can or one you know works elsewhere. Try unplugging all other phones in the house, and connecting your router with no extension cords or double adaptors. (That one was from a Telecom support person who helped me solve a phone issue, same principle applies with a router). Good luck! Roger Carl Cerecke wrote: Hi, Unfortunatley, I haven't yet got to the point where this can be on-topic. My ADSL modem/switch/wireless box arrived yesterday. A netgear DG834G (which, by the way, runs Linux. Not completely OT then.) Anyway, I plugged it in, turned it on, and no ADSL link light. We've got 5 phone jack points, and I tried 4. No luck. I rang my ISP, netgear support (friendly chap in New Delhi), Telecom, then back to my ISP. It turns out that Telecom won't do anything for me (like testing the line to make sure that they really did enable DSL). My ISP (maxnet) were helpful, but bound by Telecom a bit, it seems. It seems as though either the ADSL works straight away, or it is logged as a failed manual install and Telecom send round a guy to wire in an ADSL jack point (for $150). I'm not sure that is necessary. There doesn't seem to be any Mr In-between. I'm reasonably sure it isn't the ADSL modem: I've borrowed a crusty old PCI ADSL modem which didn't give me a link either. Could it be the wiring in my house? The phone works OK. What I'm looking for is experiences/advice for the situation - a way to fix the problem without shelling out big bucks to Telecom for what seems to be their problem. Cheers, Carl.
Re: ADSL link problems
Carl Cerecke wrote: I didn't use the splitter at all. Just plugged it straight into the phone jack. Tried unplugging the phone too. I did leave it on for a few minutes, too. The modem didn't come with a telecom-style phone plug, so I'm using the same one from my dial-up modem: male telecom - male rj-11 (or whatever number that is). The splitter is male rj11 - (female rj11 phone/female rj11 ADSL). I've also got a male rj11 - male rj11. In short, I don't have the right cable to include the splitter. I was under the impression that it was not required. Is not using the splitter my problem? Cheers, Carl. Those cables for your old modem are the same so should work. And that you can plug the router directly in to the jackpoint without needing any filter or splitter. All should be fine unless you want to also have a phone plugged in, in which case the phones themselves all need a filter. The router itself does not need a filter. However the simplest case of only the router plugged in, no phones at all, and still no adsl link points to the telecom line itself (assuming the brand new router is good). Can either your ISP or Telecom confirm the adsl line is functional? Roger
Re: ADSL link problems
Oh - so maybe this is Carl's problem? If this is eliminated / confirmed, and a direct connection to the jackpoint won't result in a connection, then it's got to be a Telecom problem? And as David points out, surely they can't charge you for fixing something they didn't have right in the first place (though might try). Jamie Dobbs wrote: Those cables for your old modem are the same so should work. Not necessarily, there are 2 distinctly different pinouts on RJ11 to BT converter plugs, one of which moves the inner cable pair to the outside the other doesn't.
Re: Windows authentication to Gentoo mail server
It's in the Account Settings dialog box (Tools menu) and can be separately set if you have Thunderbird set up for several email addresses (click the specific account name). Roger Robert Fisher wrote: Although I need now to find how to change the Thunderbird reply to settings.
Re: python, for the 3rd time
it's arriving here... this is the third i've got today. Carl Cerecke wrote: Something is blocking my python script email to the list. maybe the hash-bang is triggering some sort of anti-virus filter.
List subscriber settings (was Re: python, for the 3rd time)
If it's only your own postings from your gmail account, perhaps your settings on this list's mailserver software is set to not receive your own posts? Though where to go to check this is a mystery to me currently - can anyone offer a clue or link? Cheers, Roger Carl Cerecke wrote: On 12/08/05, yuri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/08/05, Carl Cerecke wrote: Something is blocking my python script email to the list. maybe the hash-bang is triggering some sort of anti-virus filter. Maybe an anti violence filter. The first line of a shell script scares me: hash bang slash bin slash bash sounds like those old early eighties batman episodes :) Whatever it is, I'm defintely not seeing them in my gmail inbox. Eventually, I plan to have a personal server on my ADSL connection, and I'll set up a secure IMAP server on there for all my mail. Then, if my email stuffs up, at least it will be my fault. Cheers, Carl.
Re: August Meeting.
I too would be very interested in a talk on kernel compiling. And perhaps as an extension (or prelude?) if there was time, a look at the upgrade of KDE (I'm looking to upgrade my current 3.2.something to 3.4 if I can pluck up enough courage / figure out where to find my spare time). Seeing it done by someone with experience first would give me more confidence to try myself. Cheers, Roger david merriman wrote: I'd like to vote for Option 4 please, as I've been thinking about compiling a kernel myself in the last week or so. David The pen is mightier than the sword, but only if the sword is very small and the pen is very sharp Christopher Sawtell wrote: Greetings List. The speaker I had in my sights for the August meeting has told be that he is now not available. Therefore there are a number of choices. 1) Attempt to find another speaker who can talk authoritively about the Xen virtual machine monitor. Volunteers please. 2) Have another Clinic / Fixups evening. Is there a demand? 3) I have a member wantling to speak on The File Managers available under Linx. This talk will probably take a short half of an evening, so we need another speaker for the other half. 4) A member has asked me to give him a Kernel Compilation HOWTO in person. Would any other list members be interested in this as a subject for a talk? 5) Any other suggestions from list members would be most welcome.
Re: August Meeting.
Hi Nick, while I'm not looking for bleeding edge, i'm not satisfied with staying several versions behind or doing a basic install and sticking with that. While I could easily download and install the newest version of suse or try something new with no assistance, there's no challenge in that at all and is almost trivial. All my roads on the learning linux journey seem to all be leading towards coming to terms with compiling/installing kernels/drivers/apps that don't come in nice packages that are managed in a gui. I'm over my command line barrier and ready for more of the power it offers. Interesting contradiction on this forum sometimes - use the command line - don't use the command line. So thanks for the opinion and I understand the value of the suggestion, but I'm looking for something more and will take what ever is on offer at these talks. Roger Nick Rout wrote: On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:04:09 +1200 Roger Searle wrote: I too would be very interested in a talk on kernel compiling. And perhaps as an extension (or prelude?) if there was time, a look at the upgrade of KDE (I'm looking to upgrade my current 3.2.something to 3.4 if I can pluck up enough courage / figure out where to find my spare time). Seeing it done by someone with experience first would give me more confidence to try myself. IMHO stick to your distro's packages. Cheers, Roger david merriman wrote: I'd like to vote for Option 4 please, as I've been thinking about compiling a kernel myself in the last week or so. David The pen is mightier than the sword, but only if the sword is very small and the pen is very sharp Christopher Sawtell wrote: Greetings List. The speaker I had in my sights for the August meeting has told be that he is now not available. Therefore there are a number of choices. 1) Attempt to find another speaker who can talk authoritively about the Xen virtual machine monitor. Volunteers please. 2) Have another Clinic / Fixups evening. Is there a demand? 3) I have a member wantling to speak on The File Managers available under Linx. This talk will probably take a short half of an evening, so we need another speaker for the other half. 4) A member has asked me to give him a Kernel Compilation HOWTO in person. Would any other list members be interested in this as a subject for a talk? 5) Any other suggestions from list members would be most welcome.
Re: SUSE 9.1 KDE 3.4.2 [was Re: August Meeting.]
Thanks for the missing link about why I couldn't do the KDE upgrade from within YAST. However this misses the whole point of wanting to learn about downloading the relevant files from the KDE site and doing it that way. Roger Nick Rout wrote: or update the whole bizzo to 9.3. On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:25:36 +1200 Andy Leach wrote: IMHO stick to your distro's packages. SUSE 9.1? ( if not then please excuse my erratic memory ) 3.4.2 is available from ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/ftp.suse.com/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_9.1/yast-source There's probably a much better way of doing this but I added it as a source via YAST - Change Source of Installation - Add Next: YAST - Install and Remove software, chang the drop down to Package Groups, scroll to the bottom of the left hand list, select zzz All or go into GUI - KDE depending on how brave you feel* ;o) Right click on the right hand window and select All in this list - Update if newer version available. check for dependencies, accept and off it goes - definitely an overnighter on a modem. It complains about Comix every time I run it so I've left that out of date, not a problem for me. 3.4.2 is working very well here, I remember being impressed when I upgraded from what ever I used to have so it must be better :) I had a few minor issues with the previous incarnation but this is working flawlessly and is entirely crash free so far, ymmv ;) cheers Andy *It may not make much difference for you, but I also have ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/suser-guru/rpm/9.1/ in the sources list, which may be where the Comix clash is coming from...
Re: August Meeting.
Nick Rout wrote: You may be ready for gentoo :-) I was a starter for the 'fest a couple of times ago in the garage but had to cancel due to family commitments :-( I didn't mention the command line actually! I said stick with packages from your distro :-) That is because i thought your aim was to have kde-3.4 installed on your system. true, you didn't mention the command line but the implications are that this is what i'd end up doing. Several goals right now really - upgrade KDE and I'll use YAST for that, maybe tonight, move on to some simple compiling tasks (having ever only done one), and get along to the meeting to find out more about kernel upgrades/compiling. If the aim is to learn how to compile kde-3.4 then thats an admirable goal. However there is no way that anyone could compile kde on the sort of hardware that is likely to be available in the scope of a linux group meeting, and besides that it is a pretty boring screenshow to type make and then watch it compile. kde is a pretty complicated build AFAIK and time consuming too. perhaps too much for me to actually try as a compile - I realise that there are 20 packages to download (some optional some required) and that this would be quite a challenge. Likely outcome of trying it myself is broken system and subsequent upgrade to suse 9.3 so I've not gone there. One day... Cheers, Roger
Re: SUSE 9.1 KDE 3.4.2 [was Re: August Meeting.]
Thanks for the tip Andy, I'll be following the method to get KDE via YAST tonight if I get time. I've got 2 points or goals really, one is an upgrade for KDE and the second one is getting more from the command line. Going for killing both birds with the same stone is not realistic for me. Unless I want to break something really well... Cheers, Roger Andy Leach wrote: Roger Searle wrote: Thanks for the missing link about why I couldn't do the KDE upgrade from within YAST. However this misses the whole point of wanting to learn about downloading the relevant files from the KDE site and doing it that way. Roger Sure, I didn't know that was the entire point, maybe it'll prove usefull for someone else. Is KDE really the place to start compiling from scratch though? There must be at least a million things that could break something that big... Right now I'd be pleased if I could get dcraw to go ( http://www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw/ )... ;o) cheers, Andy
Re: SUSE 9.1 KDE 3.4.2 [was Re: August Meeting.]
Steve Holdoway wrote: Roger Searle wrote: Thanks for the missing link about why I couldn't do the KDE upgrade from within YAST. However this misses the whole point of wanting to learn about downloading the relevant files from the KDE site and doing it that way. Roger There are a *lot* of them, you know. I'd stick with rebuilding the kernel myself (: Steve Yes, I see that this is quite an involved process, hence my initial investigations into the possibility of doing so didn't progress further than reading the faqs on the kde site. That sort of thing isn't realistic for me right now, and clicking a few check boxes in yast is no challenge either. Some middle ground for me and a degree of patience while I learn some more and make a few more mistakes is what I need right now... Cheers, Roger
kde 3.4 needs x11
Hi, my plan to upgrade a suse 9.1 installation to KDE 3.4 is on hold, and is perhaps impossible? It appears, I have discovered after seeing a long list of dependency issues, that 9.1 is based on XFree86 and KDE 3.4 requires X11. Am I basically at a dead end with this install and my best option is to upgrade to 9.3? Cheers, Roger
Re: kde 3.4 needs x11
Nick Rout wrote: On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 21:06 +1200, Roger Searle wrote: Hi, my plan to upgrade a suse 9.1 installation to KDE 3.4 is on hold, and is perhaps impossible? It appears, I have discovered after seeing a long list of dependency issues, that 9.1 is based on XFree86 and KDE 3.4 requires X11. XFree86 is one implementation of X11, xorg-x11 is another (forked) implementation. So if it depends on X11 you are fine. If it depends on xorg you aren't. xorg-x11 - so i'm stuffed? Is this a dependency for the non-suse rpms that someone pointed you to yesterday, or for compiling? neither from what i can tell, andy's reference was for a suse mirror from what i can tell, and that one actually works. while trying to read packages from the main suse ftp site does not (has been trying to read package information for quite some time now). i'm get the message from stuck record thing, thanks for repeating it for me yet again as i need it. however 2 hours messing around tonight has got me nowhere except frustrated, and needing to go into space because i have a strong desire to scream and i don't want any of you to hear it. i go round in circles and am getting further from my goal of spending most time in linux and a minority in windows, not closer to the goal. i am sure i will feel like trying again in the morning though my next opportunity to play is not for a few days. i'm getting to the point of giving up and getting hold of a 9.3 cd . . . as always, i appreciate the help from this list. Am I basically at a dead end with this install and my best option is to upgrade to 9.3? not necessarily at a dead end, but yes sticking with your distros updates is the best way to go. (am I sounding like a stuck record?) Cheers, Roger
open app on specified desktop
I'd like to be able to make certain applications open on a specified desktop? For example when clicking a desktop or panel shortcut to have thunderbird and firefox always open on desktop 2 which I have renamed web, and shells and yast always open on a desktop named admin. Plenty of info on google about virtual desktops but I just can't seem to find what I 'm trying to do. At this point I am assuming this is possible. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Cheers, Roger
Re: kde 3.4 needs x11
Nick Rout wrote: Ahh yes that does seem to be so, but probably not an official part of Suse, they often have unsupported extras on their ftp server. In the same tree (at suse) there are xorg binaries: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/X/Xorg/ although whether there is a yast thingy for it i do not know. I still think an upgrade to 9.3 would give you a better deal. volker probably has a dvd available. ok - the writing is on the wall, really. upgrade, given my current abilities, time and patience. stick to playing with more simple things for now. what sort of bandwidth do you have? there is a dvd iso online :-) I recall plenty of discussion on downloading distros via jetstreamgames but it was never relevant to me while on dial-up, so I didn't pay too much attention to it all. Now that I've got broadband, is suse available there? And will it help me blow my data cap (via telstra clear). If someone could point me in the general direction of the jetstreamgames ftp site that would be appreciated. Otherwise I'll just go with asking Volker very nicely for a copy. Cheers, Roger
Re: open app on specified desktop
Yes, KDE. Nick Rout wrote: On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 06:05 +1200, Roger Searle wrote: I'd like to be able to make certain applications open on a specified desktop? For example when clicking a desktop or panel shortcut to have thunderbird and firefox always open on desktop 2 which I have renamed web, and shells and yast always open on a desktop named admin. Plenty of info on google about virtual desktops but I just can't seem to find what I 'm trying to do. At this point I am assuming this is possible. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Just to be sure, are we still talking kde? Cheers, Roger
Re: open app on specified desktop
Yep, that's pretty much the idea. A separate desktop for web, admin, multimedia, office apps. And games if I ever find my spare time (lost it, can't find anywhere...). Icon shortcuts always open to the appropriate desktop rather than having to send to each time. And extending from that, I'd also like to be able to have different sets of icons on each desktop, maybe with some in common. The background can easily be different but the icons? Anyone have any clues to get me going? Cheers, Roger Andy George wrote: Are you trying to have specific apps open, by default, to only a certain desktop? XMMS opens to Desktop 6, and ONLY desktop 6...regardless of where it's started from... If thats what your trying to do then I too would be interested in this result... It's something I've tried to do too... Andy Roger Searle wrote: I'd like to be able to make certain applications open on a specified desktop? For example when clicking a desktop or panel shortcut to have thunderbird and firefox always open on desktop 2 which I have renamed web, and shells and yast always open on a desktop named admin. Plenty of info on google about virtual desktops but I just can't seem to find what I 'm trying to do. At this point I am assuming this is possible. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Cheers, Roger
Re: open app on specified desktop
Unfortunately my Advanced menu does not have the special window settings and I can't locate a geometry tab or any such reference like this. I can move it to a particular desktop (as a one-off), but what I am looking for is a way to have it open on a particular desktop initially. Roger Hadley Rich wrote: On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 06:05, Roger Searle wrote: I'd like to be able to make certain applications open on a specified desktop? For example when clicking a desktop or panel shortcut to have thunderbird and firefox always open on desktop 2 which I have renamed web, and shells and yast always open on a desktop named admin. Plenty of info on google about virtual desktops but I just can't seem to find what I 'm trying to do. At this point I am assuming this is possible. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Right click on a windows title bar go to the advanced menu and 'Special Window Settings'. In that dialog on the Geometry tab there is an option to specify which desktop to place the window on. Haven't tried it myself but it seems to be what you are looking for. HTH hads
Re: open app on specified desktop
(please excuse this if you're referring to Enlightenment in your comment on renaming desktops) It's easy enough to rename the desktops in KDE anyway and have them displayed on the panel. Desktop, Configure Desktop, Multiple Desktops, change the names from Desktop 1 etc (to something short). Or even easier, right click a desktop button and choose Rename Virtual Desktop. Then to get those names to display, right-click a button again, and select Show, Name. That's the easy part of what I thought I could do. Getting the application to open on a particular one is more of a challenge (more time needed) . . . Not out of options quite yet. Cheers, Roger david merriman wrote: FWIW, Enlightenment does this, with a Remember feature that lets you specify the desktop, screen location, window size, sticky-ness, etc. I use it myself. Don't know if you can actually rename the desktops, though. David On 17/08/2005 6:05:26 a.m., Roger Searle ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'd like to be able to make certain applications open on a specified desktop? For example when clicking a desktop or panel shortcut to have thunderbird and firefox always open on desktop 2 which I have renamed web, and shells and yast always open on a desktop named admin. Plenty of info on google about virtual desktops but I just can't seem to find what I 'm trying to do. At this point I am assuming this is possible. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Cheers, Roger
Re: installing devilspie (was Re: open app on specified desktop)
neither package was installed, but is now. seven:/home/roger/devilspie/devilspie-0.10 # rpm -ql gtk2-devel | grep /usr (nothing returned. without the grep, I can see that ALL the output is to the /opt/gnome directory or sub-directory). Trying the ./configure command again gives (at the bottom): checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config checking for libwnck-1.0 = 2.9.92... Requested 'libwnck-1.0 = 2.9.92' but version of libwnck is 2.4.0.1 checking for gtk+-2.0 libwnck-1.0 = 0.17 libxml-2.0... Package libxml-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libxml-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'libxml-2.0' found configure: error: Library requirements (gtk+-2.0 libwnck-1.0 = 0.17 libxml-2.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. And (towards the top): checking for working aclocal-1.4... missing checking for working autoconf... missing checking for working automake-1.4... missing checking for working autoheader... missing checking for working makeinfo... missing Roger Glynn Foster wrote: Heya, Hi, I have downloaded the package, and extracted to a folder. The ./configure command returns some errors indicating (?) (from what I can tell) some missing files or that gtk+ needs to be at least version 2. Yast indicates I have gtk2 at version 2.2.4-125.4 though I think this is different? Can anyone help me decipher this output? I'm currently just guessing on how to proceed having installed pkgconfig and all references to gtk+ from within Yast. Perhaps yet another sign that I should move on to 9.3... Do you have the gtk2-devel package installed, and does a quick 'rpm -ql gtk2-devel' list any pkgconfig files in /usr/lib/pkgconfig? checking for libwnck-1.0 = 2.9.92... Package libwnck-1.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libwnck-1.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'libwnck-1.0' found You're also missing the libwnck package, or at least the libwnck-devel package. You might want to check that too. Glynn
Re: installing devilspie (was Re: open app on specified desktop)
but hopefully only need to do so once... interesting exercise though. Volker Kuhlmann wrote: checking for working aclocal-1.4... missing checking for working autoconf... missing checking for working automake-1.4... missing checking for working autoheader... missing checking for working makeinfo... missing See, the joy of compiling just a single piece of software... You'll need to install all of those packages. Volker
Re: installing devilspie (was Re: open app on specified desktop)
ok i have continued to make progress with installing packages though unfortunately seem to still need a couple that are not part of my distro (aclocal, automake and makeinfo) (or at least not in yast) and my libwnck is too old. I have got to the stage of much better errors on running ./configure. checking for poptStrippedArgv in -lpopt... no configure: error: popt is needed to build Got pretty close to the make stage, I'm thinking... Unfortunately I have to leave now and won't be back on this machine until Friday, when it's unlikely I'll have a chance to play. I'll just have to see how it goes on Monday. I don't consider that the whole exercise has been a waste of time, on the contrary, I have learned a few things, and I really appreciate the help I've had today. Cheers, Roger Roger Searle wrote: but hopefully only need to do so once... interesting exercise though. Volker Kuhlmann wrote: checking for working aclocal-1.4... missing checking for working autoconf... missing checking for working automake-1.4... missing checking for working autoheader... missing checking for working makeinfo... missing See, the joy of compiling just a single piece of software... You'll need to install all of those packages. Volker
Re: installing devilspie (was Re: open app on specified desktop)
hmmm i don't quite get this post. never mind, looks like i have enough info to resolve the last of those packages or dependencies i'm short on, and have a better understanding of the output of the ./configure command. i'll see if i can manage to make some more progress tomorrow afternoon when i can play with that machine again. Roger Steve Holdoway wrote: gcc installs include dirs incorrectly iirc. You need to modify links in one of the include/c++ directories that is created as 3.3, but needs to be 3.3.x, ( assuming your compiler is version 3.3.x ). I've been bitten by this one when setting up development environments across platforms with the same toolkit. I think debian does this as well. A good test is 'if you can build STLport, you can build *anything*' Steve On Wed, August 17, 2005 5:48 pm, David Mann said: On Aug 17, 2005, at 3:24 PM, Roger Searle wrote: but hopefully only need to do so once... And again when you upgrade later ;) I just replaced my old fileserver with another machine that can take more memory, and I took the opportunity to do a fresh OS install followed by the latest stable versions of everything I use (mostly built from source as packages weren't available for my distro). It took me 2.5 days - the databases (including admin tools) were the worst. My worst install to date has got to be the time I volunteered to install Subversion on a Solaris 10 (x86) machine earlier this year. That was a horrific three-day exercise in binary bugs, compilation bugs and dependency hell. If they ever want to upgrade to a future version, I'll hand them a Slackware CD ;) Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: installing devilspie (was Re: open app on specified desktop)
as far as a distro upgrade goes, the 2 on the list are either suse 9.3 or gentoo. i'll keep an eye on whether a garagefest eventuates and see if i can put aside that day (though that is quite a challenge just now). i looked through the installation documentation when i was intending coming to the 'fest last year, and was quite ok with everything it said. in fact if i could trust the documentation to work perfectly for me (which according to a post here not long ago is not the case) then i'd have a go by myself. far better to come and spend time eating pizza though. so yes i do want to learn more, i've been in a bit of a trough lately as far as doing anything interesting with linux. i am glad to have been doing what i have over the last few weeks. right now i'm glad i didn't take a plunge and try the kde upgrade by myself a couple of weeks ago, as i'm sure the very next day i'd have been asking for a suse 9.3 cd from volker . . . (which i may do anyway) cheers, roger Robert Fisher wrote: On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:25, Christopher Sawtell wrote: message type=Troll to get Volker going :-) Only half in jest btw. And I must add that initially Roger stated (wa it in a different thread?) that he wanted to learn more. I found Gentoo to be the ideal way to advance my Linux knowledge (OK some of you may say that it is still limited). I thoroughly recommend that you try a Gentoo installation (with help if necessary) to advance your Linux knowledge too. I have found my Gentoo experience provides 3 main features:- A huge learning experience Very up to date and easy upgrading Very easy installation of new packages. Like Nick, I probably sound like a stuck record.
sending password problem?
Hi, perhaps this is just more writing on the wall and time to upgrade. For some time I've had a problem with using kopete for chat, I had the password saved in kdewallet (a password manager thing) and it would log on for me each time I logged on. At some point it stopped sending the right password and even manually entering it would fail to get me logged on to the chat network. So I changed that password and it all works fine in windows, so coming back to linux and entering the new password should work, entering it both in kdewallet and manually still fails. Similar thing happens with skype. I installed it no problem and it runs, asking for my name and password, then tells me one of them is wrong. OK, so maybe I'm having (yet another) problem remembering a username or password, so abandoning that account I set up a new one in windows, can log in, but back in linux again and I can't log on to skype. Email functions fine (sends off a password) as does internet banking etc. Anyone got any ideas what this might be about? Cheers, Roger
suse 9.3 dvd
Hi Volker, could I arrange to get a suse 9.3 dvd from you? I have a spindle of blank disks here, would a swap be a good arrangement for you? Cheers, Roger
Re: sending password problem?
oh yes, i'd forgotten about all that sillyness with the changing protocols... i'm trying to log on to the msn network (of course - i have a teenage daughter!). it may well be that the 2 things are a coincidence and not related, however it just occurred to me today, tiring of having to cancel 2 instances of skype (the 2 attempts to log on with different accounts) each time i log on, that there was a possibility that it was somehow linked. i had already deleted the password saved in kdewallet, then entering it manually. didn't fix things. while i have a heap of passwords to remember (and often forget) initially i just thought i had forgotten them. hence changing or creating the new accounts. and checked then double checked i was entering them right, no caps lock key etc. no resolution. i'm more inclined to now think there are 2 separate problems given paragraph one above. and that it's time to organise an updated distro... thanks for all the replies. roger Nick Rout wrote: On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 17:05 +1200, Andy George wrote: Roger Searle wrote: Hi, perhaps this is just more writing on the wall and time to upgrade. For some time I've had a problem with using kopete for chat, I had the password saved in kdewallet (a password manager thing) and it would log on for me each time I logged on. At some point it stopped sending the right password and even manually entering it would fail to get me logged on to the chat network. So I changed that password and it all works fine in windows, so coming back to linux and entering the new password should work, entering it both in kdewallet and manually still fails. Kopete and a Yahoo! account? I've found that Yahoo! is allergic to clones, so they change their authentication system around to 'discourage' the use of any other piece of software than Messenger. I had a similar instance of Kopete failing, on SuSE 9.1 First on an upgrade issue, Volker coming nicely to the rescue here with the upgrade CD. This worked for a while, but then it started bombing again. Perhaps updating it MAY work for you, but I've found that downloading and installing the real deal from messenger.yahoo.com is the faster, more permanent fix. An opinion perhaps not shared by the others of the group and they may have a better solution for you... Andy The msn messenger protocol keeps changing too, thereby screwing everyone except the official client, until the open source people log into windows, capture some new protocol packets and play catch up. You don't mention which service you are logging into. Odd that you have the skype problem too... There are, of course, the usual things to check with password problems - caps lock, num lock (if you are using the keypad to enter part of the password) etc. also some programs allow you to run from a terminal with debugging on, which may enable you to see what/where is failing. not sure whether kopete does this. there are plenty of other messenger programs out there too: amsn, gaim, centericq spring to mind. random thoughts I wonder what happens if kwallet has the wrong password stored and you then try to log in manually? Is it too smart for its own good? What happens if you have two kopete accounts stored in kwallet and you start kopete? which account information is passed to kopete? Does kwallet behave badly for other users on your computer? What happens if you delete (backup!) all of the kwallet entries and start it from scratch again? /random thoughts
Re: HD advice.
I'm not offering an opinion on the choice of model, and understand this may be tied in to your warranty claim, just wanted to say that you could easily get 160GB and perhaps 200GB for less than these prices from numerous suppliers http://www.pricespy.co.nz/cat_3.html Cheers, Roger Nick Rout wrote: As per last thread, time for a new drive. The drive is 120G. Of the comparable sized drives, all from the same store, which are recomended? Seagate barracuda (5 yr warranty) $165 Samsung (3 yr warranty) $169 Western Dig (3 yr) $189 all 7200 rpm, 8 MB cache 120 GB
files to back up pre-upgrade
Well it looks like tonight is a possibility for upgrading to suse 9.3. While I am essentially happy with setting up from scratch there are a few files I want to back up first, here's all I can think of: fstab, firefox bookmarks, and thunderbird address book. And I would probably make a copy of my home folder just in case. Am I missing something major that I don't know about? Is this a good opportunity to be looking/doing other things too? I thought about the partition sizes: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ sudo df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hdb7 8.4G 3.8G 4.2G 48% / tmpfs 252M 40K 252M 1% /dev/shm /dev/hda1 28G 8.7G 19G 32% /windows/C /dev/hdb1 23G 23G 107M 100% /windows/E /dev/hda5 30G 16G 14G 53% /windows/D /dev/hda6 32G 8.0G 24G 26% /windows/F /dev/hda7 32G 9.1G 23G 29% /windows/G /dev/hda8 30G 7.2G 23G 25% /windows/H Apart from the windows drives, is this saying that the linux install is just on hdb7 and tmpfs? Should I refine this scheme? Is the swap file tmpfs? There's actually twice that much ram on this machine, I thought. (maybe i need to run memtest). All my data and email exist on a separate drive (which will themselves be backed up first) so I don't need to worry about that. Any comments would be welcome. Cheers, Roger
Re: files to back up pre-upgrade
Reasons for starting from scratch: i haven't spent ages configuring the system. it's not critical to retain anything as is - i have redundancy in the form of other machines, backups, and the option of booting that particular machine into windows i've messed up a number of things when playing around with aborted software installs (or duplications thereof) and numerous symlinks etc it's an interesting exercise (i don't get out much/enough) i'm used to and quite ok with the scorched earth approach having been working with windows for some time (a format/reinstall is an annual exercise on my work and home windows machines) i'll learn plenty as a result. I recall Volker saying at one stage that the idea of doing an upgrade as such isn't practical (possible?) (the best idea?) (a bad idea?) or similar. Regardless, a fresh start is the option this time. Next time I may well approach it differently. Cheers, Roger Nick Rout wrote: Why are you thinking of starting from scratch? (Yes it is a good isea to back up regulalry, esp before a major upgrade, but you should be able to upgrade ratther than start from scratch) On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:50:00 +1200 Roger Searle wrote: Well it looks like tonight is a possibility for upgrading to suse 9.3. While I am essentially happy with setting up from scratch there are a few files I want to back up first, here's all I can think of: fstab, firefox bookmarks, and thunderbird address book. And I would probably make a copy of my home folder just in case. Am I missing something major that I don't know about? Is this a good opportunity to be looking/doing other things too? I thought about the partition sizes: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ sudo df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hdb7 8.4G 3.8G 4.2G 48% / tmpfs 252M 40K 252M 1% /dev/shm /dev/hda1 28G 8.7G 19G 32% /windows/C /dev/hdb1 23G 23G 107M 100% /windows/E /dev/hda5 30G 16G 14G 53% /windows/D /dev/hda6 32G 8.0G 24G 26% /windows/F /dev/hda7 32G 9.1G 23G 29% /windows/G /dev/hda8 30G 7.2G 23G 25% /windows/H Apart from the windows drives, is this saying that the linux install is just on hdb7 and tmpfs? Should I refine this scheme? Is the swap file tmpfs? There's actually twice that much ram on this machine, I thought. (maybe i need to run memtest). All my data and email exist on a separate drive (which will themselves be backed up first) so I don't need to worry about that. Any comments would be welcome. Cheers, Roger
Re: files to back up pre-upgrade
OK so I will make some tarfiles of the relevant folders. Having looked at the man page I understand generally the command tar -NumerousOptions directoryname but my next question is which options should I use? And should that also include gzipping too? (The order of these options seems to be important sometimes - I have not quite managed to get my head around that.) Cheers, Roger Volker Kuhlmann wrote: Apart from the windows drives, is this saying that the linux install is just on hdb7 and tmpfs? Yes and no. tmpfs is just a ramdisk, no need to back that up. ;) All your Linux stuff is in hdb7. If you change your partition layout, put /home onto a seperate partition, because then you can upgrade Linux while leaving your user files in place (backup would still be a good idea). Tar up /etc and keep it, it has almost all your machine's configuration in it. Do this as root, to back up non-public files as well. Do the same with /usr/local if you installed any software into it (this would be through compiling that software, not through rpms). Back up your whole /home if you want. Your KDE configuration is in ~/.kde/, but all the user config files are in your home directory. KDE might not behave totally the same if it finds user config files of a previous version. If you want to be surprised about new default features, rename ~/.kde to ~/.kde-- (from the console!!!) before you log in for the first time witht he GUI. Keep in mind that tar does not preserve ownerships unless you unpack as root. Unpack into a new directory, then copy/move things in place as needed, don't just unpack over an existing directory. When storing things on Billyware filesystems nothing is preserved and therefore always use tar, or you'll be cursing the day. Volker
Re: ot: lappie batteries.
Similar situation and response from me, I'm faced with shelling out $375 ( !!! ) for my Acer's battery replacement, 2 years old and lasting 15 minutes. Have had the same place recommended to me as a cheaper (but still not cheap) alternative, and just as soon as I've got a spare couple of hundred dollars I'll get mine done - or maybe I'll just put a down payment on a new laptop. I never thought of looking into battery reliability or replacement cost when buying it but won't make that mistake next time . . . Cheers, Roger Nick Rout wrote: There is a place in Gasson Street, Battery Masta I think they are called. No personal dealings, but have made enquiries a few times. Not cheap, but neither are the official replacements. On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:27:34 +1200 (NZST) Steve Holdoway wrote: Just had to get a new battery for the tosh... the 2.5 hours of stated battery life lasted less than 15 mins! Is there anywhere I can take the old one to get the cells replaced? It's a li-ion battery. I'd rather use someone who people have had dealings with for obvious reasons! Cheers, Steve -- Windows: Where do you want to go today? MacOS: Where do you want to be tomorrow? Linux: Are you coming or what?
Re: samba
OK I have tidied up the capitalisation of the paths making them all consistent. The file is mostly created by suse. I had added a few lines... I see that on enlarging the text in kate that all the lines that appeared to say read only - no is actually read only = no. My mistake - so I had added some lines that were incorrect, and see that log.nmbd was complaining about them too. Some of the lines must have been fixed by testparm before I ran it myself. I believe it is all correct now. Despite this, I still have the same problem. I tested using the smb.conf file from my previous 9.1 install which did work, no difference (except the folder names appear different on the windows machine), still get the same disk full or memory full outcomes from the windows machine. (and yes I am restarting samba each time I make these changes) Same outcome if I go through the users/roger (where I have a link to the same files) folder rather than through the data folder. This all seems to be pointing to an issue with something other than smb.conf then? here's the tail output of log.smbd on opening and saving to a txt file: [2005/09/09 11:57:08, 1] smbd/service.c:make_connection_snum(642) aquarius (192.168.1.65) signed connect to service software initially as user roger (uid=1000, gid=100) (pid 7634) [2005/09/09 11:57:08, 1] smbd/service.c:make_connection_snum(642) aquarius (192.168.1.65) signed connect to service users initially as user roger (uid=1000, gid=100) (pid 7634) [2005/09/09 11:57:14, 1] smbd/service.c:close_cnum(830) aquarius (192.168.1.65) closed connection to service software [2005/09/09 11:57:14, 1] smbd/service.c:close_cnum(830) aquarius (192.168.1.65) closed connection to service users here's opening a file that won't save: [2005/09/09 12:04:34, 1] smbd/service.c:make_connection_snum(642) aquarius (192.168.1.65) signed connect to service software initially as user roger (uid=1000, gid=100) (pid 7634) [2005/09/09 12:04:34, 1] smbd/service.c:make_connection_snum(642) aquarius (192.168.1.65) signed connect to service users initially as user roger (uid=1000, gid=100) (pid 7634) [2005/09/09 12:04:38, 1] smbd/service.c:close_cnum(830) aquarius (192.168.1.65) closed connection to service software [2005/09/09 12:04:38, 1] smbd/service.c:close_cnum(830) aquarius (192.168.1.65) closed connection to service users Basically identical. At the point of attempting to save that file, nothing added to the log file. But nor is anything added when the first file is successfully written to. Does this help? Any further ideas? Nick Rout wrote: Have you looked in the log file? The naming is dependent on your distro, but they are commonly called smbd.log amd nmbd.log - its likely the forme one is what you want. go to /var/log then find|grep smbd should find the log file. run it through tail -f and watch what happens when you go to save a file. Which share is causing the problem or is it the same with all shares? Also I note that some of your options use the - instead of =, for example in [data] you have Writable - Yes - I think it should be witeable = yes Try running testparm, it tests your smb.conf for internal correctness. It is a command line tool. On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 08:21:12 +1200 Roger Searle wrote: Hi, I have had this new install of suse 9.3 running nicely for a while. I have set up some samba shares and can browse them from a windows machine on the network however something is not right with it. I can open a spreadsheet but NOT save any changes, the message in excel is the disk is full. I can create a new txt file and save changes to it with no problem. I can create a new excel file, open it, but not save changes (the disk is full). Similarly with a word document though attempting to save it produces a variety of error messages including the disk is full or too many files open or memory error messages. I can delete any of these created files. The problem appears to be more than a simple read/write issue and has me stumped. Can anyone help? Cheers, Roger linux:/etc/samba # cat /etc/samba/smb.conf # smb.conf is the main Samba configuration file. You find a full commented # version at /usr/share/doc/packages/samba/examples/smb.conf.SUSE if the # samba-doc package is installed. # Date: 2005-04-04 [global] printcap name = cups printcap cache time = 750 cups options = raw printer admin = @ntadmin, root, administrator username map = /etc/samba/smbusers map to guest = Bad User include = /etc/samba/dhcp.conf logon path = \\%L\profiles\.msprofile logon home = \\%L\%U\.9xprofile logon drive = P: restrict anonymous = no domain master = No max protocol = NT ldap ssl = No server signing = Auto netbios name = gemini add machine script = /usr/sbin/useradd -c Machine -d /var/lib/nobody -s /bin/false %m$ domain logons
Re: samba
(high on my list to learn is ssh-ing to another machine - not today...) at the same large desk are the 2 machines i'm using, so no worries for now. Yes, the file is definitely being created as confirmed by ls. I have successfully had this access working in the past, this has become an issue since the change from suse 9.1 to 9.3. There have been no changes to the file permissions or quotas introduced, or other changes made on the windows box. I have also checked from my notebook so can confirm it happens with both win2k xp, and office 2000 office xp. Any file can be renamed, or deleted. However the saving problem seems to be limited to word and excel files. I have since found that ppt, jpg, txt, html files can all be created, or existing ones edited and saved. To blame this on word or excel is easy but not correct in my opinion due to this working fine under 9.1 in recent weeks. Having said that, there are numerous references in google to a particular message I can get with word - the save failed due to out of memory or disk space - but no solutions. The common point to the posts is that the file resides on a network drive. This posting I thought to be particularly interesting/relevant (though beyond me in terms of what it means or what I should do), suggesting a recent issue with samba perhaps? http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba-technical/2002-August/023397.html Roger Nick Rout wrote: More random questions (and some comments interspersed in your answer): which share are you having problems with? is any file actually being created on the linux box at any stage? (don't believe what windows tells you, use ls on the command line of the linux box. It is handy to be ssh'd in via putty while doing this from the windows box then you don't need to leave your seat) what are the permissions of the directory where the share resides? can the windows user (roger I assume) make a file there from the command line in linux (touch filename on the command line). I see that some of your shares are on non-linux filesystems (ie the ones where the directory is named /windows/G/whatever). What is the native filesystem on those partitons, and how are they mounted? (read only?) I have never actually served up windows partition mounted in linux over samba - at least i don't recall doing it. There seems to ba a LOT of layers of permissions and ownerships to check. Are there any quotas in place on linux or windows? On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 13:04:47 +1200 Roger Searle wrote: OK I have tidied up the capitalisation of the paths making them all consistent. The file is mostly created by suse. I had added a few lines... I see that on enlarging the text in kate that all the lines that appeared to say read only - no is actually read only = no. Next time please cut and paste it, its much more reliable! My mistake - so I had added some lines that were incorrect, and see that log.nmbd was complaining about them too. Some of the lines must have been fixed by testparm before I ran it myself. I believe it is all correct now. Despite this, I still have the same problem. I tested using the smb.conf file from my previous 9.1 install which did work, no difference (except the folder names appear different on the windows machine), still get the same disk full or memory full outcomes from the windows machine. (and yes I am restarting samba each time I make these changes) Same outcome if I go through the users/roger (where I have a link to the same files) folder rather than through the data folder. This all seems to be pointing to an issue with something other than smb.conf then? You could try upping the log level in the smb.conf here's the tail output of log.smbd on opening and saving to a txt file: [2005/09/09 11:57:08, 1] smbd/service.c:make_connection_snum(642) aquarius (192.168.1.65) signed connect to service software initially as user roger (uid=1000, gid=100) (pid 7634) [2005/09/09 11:57:08, 1] smbd/service.c:make_connection_snum(642) aquarius (192.168.1.65) signed connect to service users initially as user roger (uid=1000, gid=100) (pid 7634) [2005/09/09 11:57:14, 1] smbd/service.c:close_cnum(830) aquarius (192.168.1.65) closed connection to service software [2005/09/09 11:57:14, 1] smbd/service.c:close_cnum(830) aquarius (192.168.1.65) closed connection to service users here's opening a file that won't save: [2005/09/09 12:04:34, 1] smbd/service.c:make_connection_snum(642) aquarius (192.168.1.65) signed connect to service software initially as user roger (uid=1000, gid=100) (pid 7634) [2005/09/09 12:04:34, 1] smbd/service.c:make_connection_snum(642) aquarius (192.168.1.65) signed connect to service users initially as user roger (uid=1000, gid=100) (pid 7634) [2005/09/09 12:04:38, 1] smbd/service.c:close_cnum(830) aquarius (192.168.1.65) closed connection to service software [2005/09/09 12:04:38, 1] smbd/service.c:close_cnum(830
Re: samba
gave this a try too, no change at all. i really appreciate all the investigating you've been doing nick. thanks alot. roger Nick Rout wrote: A bit of google revealed that setting strict allocate = on may fix this. I don't understand this completely, but it may be worth a try: from man smb.conf again: strict allocate (S) This is a boolean that controls the handling of disk space allocation in the server. When this is set to yes the server will change from UNIX behaviour of not committing real disk storage blocks when a file is extended to the Windows behaviour of actually forcing the disk system to allocate real storage blocks when a file is created or extended to be a given size. In UNIX terminology this means that Samba will stop creating sparse files. This can be slow on some systems. When strict allocate is no the server does sparse disk block allocation when a file is extended. Setting this to yes can help Samba return out of quota messages on systems that are restricting the disk quota of users. Default: strict allocate = no On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 13:04:47 +1200 Roger Searle wrote:
Re: From the beginning
for those others of us following the thread, what was the answer? roger motivated wrote: SOLVED... On windows you have an htdocs folder which is where you place your files to be served up by apache. So which folder is it here: var/www var/www/html var/www/web I'm wanting to test out ?php phpinfo ? Thanks Regards Kelvyn.
Re: now:find cdrom (Attn: Steve Holdoway)
And you would want to check the jumpers on both the hard drive and cdrom drive, to ensure that one was master and the other slave. Hang in there Kelvyn, reminds me of a similar difficulty I had not too long ago that really frustrated me. In my case it was partly because the device was on it's last legs (eventually being replaced), and also my own fault - I had moved one of the hard drives and cdrom which confused the OS - it was looking for the drive on hdc when I had made it hdd (or similar). The device was detected during booting (references in dmesg and entries in /proc) but could not read files or install packages from the desktop. Also, it is possible that while the cables LOOK like they are properly seated on the motherboard and back of the device, that they are not actually pushed right in. Dont give up. Roger Steve Holdoway wrote: ...no cdrom device is seen, then. That's your problem. It could be that your secondary ide channel is stuffed, or that the cable is, given that you've tried 2 cd drives it's unlikely to be the drive itself. You might try plugging it in as a slave device on the primary channel. Then it *should* appear as /dev/hdb. Good luck, Steve On Mon, September 12, 2005 5:39 am, motivated wrote: I'm sorry I forgot to reply to your email. I assume that each is a separate command: mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/hdc /mnt mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/hdd /mnt df First 2 return info on using mount, the only thing about cdrom is: A device can be given a name /dev/hda1 or /dev/cdrom df returns: file: /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 SIZEUSED AVAILABLE USED%MOUNTED ON 5.4G 1.7G 3.5G 33% / /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 SIZEUSED AVAILABLE USED%MOUNTED ON 3.4G 36M3.3G 2% /home Thanks for your time Regards Kelvyn
Re: was: From the beginning now:find cdrom
It's not necessary to log in as root. Of course you have to learn how to accomplish all these things while logged on as a normal user. For the command line stuff, I know a couple of options. Start up a normal shell prompt and type su, you will be asked for your root password. Alternatively you will have somewhere on your menu an option to start a root console which will also prompt you for your root password. (Then there is the sudo command but since I haven't learnt that yet I'll leave that for someone who has !! ) If you are needing to browse through the directory structure as a root user, you will have File Manager - Super User Mode somewhere on your menu. Armed with these 2 tools, you should not need to log in as root again and will be able to always log in as a normal user from now. I hope this helps a little. Roger motivated wrote: Dont shoot me ! I am logged in as root (that ok ?). So far nothing suggested has worked. By that I mean I still cant get to, or use my cdrom.
Re: samba
I have subscribed to the samba mailing list. I'll post this issue there in the next day or so and if there is a resolution let the list know. Roger Nick Rout wrote: On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 17:11 +1200, Roger Searle wrote: This posting I thought to be particularly interesting/relevant (though beyond me in terms of what it means or what I should do), suggesting a recent issue with samba perhaps? http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba-technical/2002-August/023397.html Roger That article is 2002, which is ancient in terms of samba development. I suggest you might want to try some suse based mailing lists or a samba list. It is unfortunate that this means subbing to yet more mailing lists. Sometimes they are mirrored as a newsgroup on http://groups.google.com and can be posted from there without flooding your inbox. Most of the posts I have found seem to relate back to older versions of samba. Why such a problem would re-occur several generations down the track is a mystery. It also seems to be very MS Office specific, but I did also note someone having the same problem in Photoshop (although again it was a few years ago). Very specific problem, thats why I suggest more specialised help sources.
notebook resolution problem?
Hi, I have just completed a network install of suse 9.3 to my notebook via nfs which was a good learning exercise and went well right up to logging on for the first time. Clearly the resolution was detected too low and I was prompted to configure it so I chose [EMAIL PROTECTED] thinking this to be right and safe. Perhaps not... And as I look through the following, perhaps this isn't because I changed the resolution? The test did not work so I just foolishly continued and responded to the message that the settings will take place the next time I logged in (or words similar). So I logged out and now can not start an x session. I get a command line login at which I can log on but no nice KDE desktop. The error put up on the screen appears to be the log file /var/log/Xorg.0.log (and it refers to itself for additional information which is how I know). The relevant lines appear to be: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf Undefined InputDevice Mouse[3] referenced by ServerLayout Layout[all]. (EE) Problem parsing the config file (EE) Error parsing the config file Fatal server error: no screens found (and then it refers to itself). I have fired up an editor and viewed /etc/X11/xorg.conf - lots of sections in there, but the one referenced above is: Section ServerLayout Identifier Layout[all] InputDevice Keyboard[0] CoreKeyboard InputDevice Mouse[1] CorePointer InputDevice Mouse[3] SendCoreEvents InputDevice Keyboard[4] ExtraKeyboard InputDevice Mouse[5]: ExtraPointer Option Clone off Option VNC 5 4 Option Xinerama off Screen Screen[0] EndSection After feeling quite clever for having managed the network install with almost no problem at all, I'm looking forward to the challenge of getting KDE running again, if anyone is able to help me sort this out? Cheers, Roger
Re: notebook resolution problem?
thanks again nick. got it corrected though did need to do it twice for some reason, but is all good now and has survived a reboot. cheers, roger Nick Rout wrote: On Mon, September 12, 2005 10:25 pm, Roger Searle said: Hi, I have just completed a network install of suse 9.3 to my notebook via nfs which was a good learning exercise and went well right up to logging on for the first time. Clearly the resolution was detected too low and I was prompted to configure it so I chose [EMAIL PROTECTED] thinking this to be right and safe. Perhaps not... And as I look through the following, perhaps this isn't because I changed the resolution? The test did not work so I just foolishly continued and responded to the message that the settings will take place the next time I logged in (or words similar). So I logged out and now can not start an x session. I get a command line login at which I can log on but no nice KDE desktop. The error put up on the screen appears to be the log file /var/log/Xorg.0.log (and it refers to itself for additional information which is how I know). The relevant lines appear to be: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf Undefined InputDevice Mouse[3] referenced by ServerLayout Layout[all]. (EE) Problem parsing the config file (EE) Error parsing the config file Fatal server error: no screens found (and then it refers to itself). run sax2 (as root) from the command line. I have fired up an editor and viewed /etc/X11/xorg.conf - lots of sections in there, but the one referenced above is: Section ServerLayout Identifier Layout[all] InputDevice Keyboard[0] CoreKeyboard InputDevice Mouse[1] CorePointer InputDevice Mouse[3] SendCoreEvents InputDevice Keyboard[4] ExtraKeyboard InputDevice Mouse[5]: ExtraPointer Option Clone off Option VNC 5 4 Option Xinerama off Screen Screen[0] EndSection After feeling quite clever for having managed the network install with almost no problem at all, I'm looking forward to the challenge of getting KDE running again, if anyone is able to help me sort this out? Cheers, Roger
Re: My screw up
this from me a couple of days ago: It's not necessary to log in as root. Of course you have to learn how to accomplish all these things while logged on as a normal user. For the command line stuff, I know a couple of options. Start up a normal shell prompt and type su, you will be asked for your root password. Alternatively you will have somewhere on your menu an option to start a root console which will also prompt you for your root password. If you are needing to browse through the directory structure as a root user, you will have File Manager - Super User Mode somewhere on your menu. (On my suse laptop, I go System File Manager. I'm not sure where it is in Mandrake but I'm sure it is there and similar) Armed with these 2 tools, you should not need to log in as root again and will be able to always log in as a normal user from now. I hope this helps a little. And to this I would add that if you need to edit some files as root, there are several ways of going about it. ONE WAY is to find the file in File Manager - Super User Mode, right click it and choose Open In Kate which will let you edit in a graphical editor. Apparently real men use weird stuff like vi... I can only aspire - at this stage - to ascend to such dizzy heights. I must say though that I can manage joe which is actually fun in a strange way (I don't get out much) (except the ocassional tuesday or thursday night). Roger motivated wrote: CtrlAltBackspace will take you back to the login screen Nice try, but.. No it doesn't. It just auto logs me in again as Kelvyn. Ross logged me in as root from the desktop last nite, because we went into the httpd.conf file which I have to be logged in as root to get at. I was having so much fun and seeing that many different things last nite, I just couldn't retain it all. Regards Kelvyn
wireless laptop card advice
Hi, now that I have a wireless router at work and home (both are 802.11b g), I need a pcmcia card for my laptop. Plenty of them about of course, but I want to make sure it will work under linux. Any advice on which ones are better / easier to get going under linux / reliability / range etc would be appreciated. For example while this one from DSE mentions specifically linux support http://www.dse.co.nz/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/43278a92043fc6f8273fc0a87f990730/Product/View/XH6828 it is quite a lot more expensive than others that do not such as http://www.dse.co.nz/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/43278a92043fc6f8273fc0a87f990730/Product/View/XH8345 which does not. While I do not have to pay for it myself, I don't have an unlimited budget and so can't just buy anything I want. I have no idea whether the 2.6 kernel translates into all cards will go and can get away with a cheap genius card or or whether I need to be pretty careful about what I get. Cheers, Roger
Re: wireless laptop card advice
I have a cameo usb wireless device which stopped going, went back for repair, it's replacement doesn't work either. Possibly flakey drivers, though I don't know for sure... I certainly can't get it going in more than one (windows) machine. It's going back tomorrow for credit on something else. Seemed like a good idea at the time to get it. The particular store didn't have a pcmcia card that day and I was impatient. I won't be buying anything of that brand again... Roger Hadley Rich wrote: On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:02, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: Of course this _is_ the more expensive of the two cards on offer (XH6828) Bloody expensive. And DSE don't have anything in PCI. On pricespy[1] there are some Cameo cards listed which advertise the Atheros chipset in their description. I've never heard of them before today. Also, does anyone know of any other chipsets that do the Turbo 108Mbps as far as I can tell at the moment most of the cards that advertise this seem to be based on the Atheros chipset which could be semi-helpful in determining which particular chipset a card uses. [1]http://www.pricespy.co.nz/pno_4779.html hads
Re: wireless laptop card advice
For my application I specifically need pcmcia, it's the only slot my laptop has. Or reliable USB. But my experience with the stupid cameo thing has left me weary of that option. And definitely support for g. The comments on chipsets and power ratings etc are very helpful. Further consideration and investigation is needed on my part, I'm glad I asked the question. Thanks for all the replies. Cheers, Roger Steve Holdoway wrote: The d-link dwl-650 ( I think - I'll check tomorrow ) works fine with madwifi drivers if ou're after a PCI solution. And they're well under $70. Steve On Wed, September 14, 2005 9:44 pm, Hadley Rich wrote: On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:02, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: Of course this _is_ the more expensive of the two cards on offer (XH6828) Bloody expensive. And DSE don't have anything in PCI. On pricespy[1] there are some Cameo cards listed which advertise the Atheros chipset in their description. I've never heard of them before today. Also, does anyone know of any other chipsets that do the Turbo 108Mbps as far as I can tell at the moment most of the cards that advertise this seem to be based on the Atheros chipset which could be semi-helpful in determining which particular chipset a card uses. [1]http://www.pricespy.co.nz/pno_4779.html hads -- God runs electromagnetics by wave theory on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, and the Devil runs them by quantum theory on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. -- William Bragg
Re: [OT] Recommendations for CV/Resume Writers
who over 30 can? i sure can't... Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:01, Nick Rout wrote: I regularly receive CV's from Germans looking to spend their three month elective working in a law office in NZ. Their spelling and grammar are usually perfect. Ah. But they are actually taught the grammar of the English Language in all it's glorious detail as part of of their curriculum. It just doesn't happen in most of the English speaking world. e.g. who under the age of 30 on this list can tell us what a gerund is -- without looking it up.
Re: IPCOP Question
are both your networks going out through the ipcop box? i think that the problem is not with your ipcop box, but with the ms server's settings governing the vpn connection. you need to talk to the administrator of that server (is it you?). there is a setting in routing and remote acccess covering the vpn connection for idle time prior to disconnecting, and another that covers session time, one of them has been set to 3 minutes. you could determine for yourself which one it is by using the connection during the 3 minutes and see if you stay connected. a 3 minute session time would be pretty stupid (though possible), i suspect it is the idle time that is disconnecting you... roger Charles Beneby wrote: Thanks for your reply.. but I am not really using IPCOP for VPN, but just for a nice firewall service... I have an MS box on the other side that is the VPN server... I was just wondering who out there is using this same configuration and runs into the VPN connection dropping after about 3 minutes of connecting through the IPCOP firewall.. We have two separate networks with the same VPN connection issue... Thanks -Original Message- From: Steve Holdoway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 6:27 PM To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Subject: RE: IPCOP Question It didn't work at all in earlier 1.4.x versions, so I junked it, and use an openvpn server behind the firewall. Steve On Fri, September 16, 2005 9:45 am, Craig FALCONER wrote: No idea sorry - I've never used the VPN functions of any of the firewall distros. -Original Message- From: Charles Beneby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 15 September 2005 11:17 p.m. Subject: IPCOP Question Anyone out there have VPN connectivity issues with it??? (IPCOP) anyone using it?? Mainly why does it allow the VPN connection to only be connected for about 3 minutes or so and then poof it kicks the user out of it..
Re: embarrassed by ssh hacking.
I would be very interested in such a session. And if I could (in my naivety) attempt to broaden the scope? Remote access more generally, ssh-ing to another box and running apps (like vnc for example) through it, or more generally administering remotely. And how to go about doing so without a static ip address (eg a dyndns account). Maybe this is totally unrealistic for a single session, I don't know, however this is the sort of thing I'm personally interested in looking at now and maybe others would be too? Cheers, Roger Steve Holdoway wrote: Is this time for a talk on openvpn??? On Mon, September 19, 2005 12:28 pm, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: Well, you know what they say about assumptions, don't you Volker? ;-) Yes :) So that means he was out of date - current-release version for openssh is 4.2p1. This doesn't mean all that much. Some distros backport security fixes for good reason, though gentoo isn't so likely to be one of them. If there had been a known security problem, every vendor would have released a new openssh (it is a major core component), but this didn't happen. So either it's in the pipeline, or the newer version is not relevant to security. Or there is a problem which is so far undisclosed, in which case most everyone has a serious problem. Of course if there were security updates and Nick didn't install them, then it's a good example of why it's a bad idea to not keep up with the updates for internet-exposed services. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.
