Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Ang: Re: Which flavour of Zotac clients - C or M

[Rolf-Werner Eilert]

Hej Johan!

How did you realize the power supply? As far as I can see from the data 
sheets, there is no power supply integrated into the chassis, right? So 
I would have to use an external one. Do the plugs for the mobo come with 
the chassis? And what kind of power supply did you use?

Regards
Rolf

Am 18.01.2017 11:11, schrieb Johan Kragsterman:
>
> Hej!
>
>
> Rolf, it would be much cheaper if you build them yourself.
>
> I have used these parts:
>
> Mobo: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/J1900IC/
>
> Chassi: http://www.chieftec.eu/en/chassis/itx/compact-series/ix-03b.html
>
> Price together around EUR200, no big problems to fit. I've used these for 
> more than a year, and they're silent(no fan) and reliable. Actually seldom 
> turn them off. Use to have uptime of 2 months or so...
>
>
> Best regards from/Med vänliga hälsningar från
>
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>
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> Datum: 2017-01-18 10:41
> Ärende: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Which flavour of Zotac clients - C or M
>
> Nobody here who has an opinion or has experience with these machines?
>
> Rolf
>
> Am 12.01.2017 08:27, schrieb Rolf-Werner Eilert:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> As this year we plan to replace our old clients by newer ones, I was
>> looking around for someone who could show me Zotac ones, but as far as I
>> can see there is no dealer around my home town. So I wont be able to
>> test them prior to buying a whole number of them.
>>
>> This is why I ask here. Who has had experience with C-type and/or M-type
>> Zboxes? C ones are fanless, M ones maybe are more powerful. I wonder how
>> disturbing the fans in M-type ones can be (we need e. g. 16 in one
>> room), or how much weaker the power of the C-type ones is.
>>
>> We already had a discussion about fat clients. Would the C-type Zboxes
>> be ok here, too?
>>
>> Thanks for your opinions.
>>
>> Regards
>> Rolf
>>
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Ang: Re: Which flavour of Zotac clients - C or M

[Rolf-Werner Eilert]

Am 19.01.2017 07:44, schrieb Alkis Georgopoulos:
> On 18/01/2017 06:32 μμ, Rolf-Werner Eilert wrote:
>> Alkis, this is an interesting value, >3000 for a new fat client. You are
>> right, in this case I would need the big ones with fans. Is this just
>> what you read or based on own experience?
>
>
> My experience with 1000+ schools.
> That's what we ended up putting in our official hardware specs for them;
> use google translate on this, if you want:
> http://blogs.sch.gr/plinetio/specifications
>
> IMHO J1900's are not good enough for "fluid" web browsing, and of course
> not nearly enough for more intensive tasks like running a VM or even
> Minecraft.
>
> Of course one's needs and expectations of the UI responsiveness will vary.
>

Very interesting! This is precisely the kind of experience  I was 
looking for.

We won't use the clients for VMs or games, but merely for office 
software and web browsing. I am thinking about fat clients so they can 
make full use of their graphics cards, i.e. they need to run their own 
Linux plus Wine - and above all Firefox etc.

I was told here in the list that even gigabit network is not good enough 
to compensate for the loss in graphics power with thin clients, and it 
seems to me that nearly all folks here meanwhile use fat clients.

Do you have experience with the fans in such i3 and i5 systems, could we 
run into any trouble with the noise here?

Regards
Rolf


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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Ang: Re: Which flavour of Zotac clients - C or M

[Alkis Georgopoulos]

On 18/01/2017 06:32 μμ, Rolf-Werner Eilert wrote:
> Alkis, this is an interesting value, >3000 for a new fat client. You are
> right, in this case I would need the big ones with fans. Is this just
> what you read or based on own experience?


My experience with 1000+ schools.
That's what we ended up putting in our official hardware specs for them; 
use google translate on this, if you want:
http://blogs.sch.gr/plinetio/specifications

IMHO J1900's are not good enough for "fluid" web browsing, and of course 
not nearly enough for more intensive tasks like running a VM or even 
Minecraft.

Of course one's needs and expectations of the UI responsiveness will vary.

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Ang: Re: Which flavour of Zotac clients - C or M

[Rolf-Werner Eilert]

Thank you very much for your answers.

Alkis, this is an interesting value, >3000 for a new fat client. You are 
right, in this case I would need the big ones with fans. Is this just 
what you read or based on own experience?

Johan, I checked the CPU from your proposal, it has only slightly more 
power than the "weak" ones in Alkis' opinion. What would you say, are 
they powerful enough to give good fat clients?

So... I am still a bit uncertain  :)

Regards
Rolf



Am 18.01.2017 11:11, schrieb Johan Kragsterman:
>
> Hej!
>
>
> Rolf, it would be much cheaper if you build them yourself.
>
> I have used these parts:
>
> Mobo: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/J1900IC/
>
> Chassi: http://www.chieftec.eu/en/chassis/itx/compact-series/ix-03b.html
>
> Price together around EUR200, no big problems to fit. I've used these for 
> more than a year, and they're silent(no fan) and reliable. Actually seldom 
> turn them off. Use to have uptime of 2 months or so...
>
>
> Best regards from/Med vänliga hälsningar från
>
> Johan Kragsterman
>
> Capvert
>
>
> -Rolf-Werner Eilert  skrev: -
> Till: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net
> Från: Rolf-Werner Eilert 
> Datum: 2017-01-18 10:41
> Ärende: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Which flavour of Zotac clients - C or M
>
> Nobody here who has an opinion or has experience with these machines?
>
> Rolf
>
> Am 12.01.2017 08:27, schrieb Rolf-Werner Eilert:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> As this year we plan to replace our old clients by newer ones, I was
>> looking around for someone who could show me Zotac ones, but as far as I
>> can see there is no dealer around my home town. So I wont be able to
>> test them prior to buying a whole number of them.
>>
>> This is why I ask here. Who has had experience with C-type and/or M-type
>> Zboxes? C ones are fanless, M ones maybe are more powerful. I wonder how
>> disturbing the fans in M-type ones can be (we need e. g. 16 in one
>> room), or how much weaker the power of the C-type ones is.
>>
>> We already had a discussion about fat clients. Would the C-type Zboxes
>> be ok here, too?
>>
>> Thanks for your opinions.
>>
>> Regards
>> Rolf
>>
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