[LUTE] Lute publications
Following my previous posts I am in the final stages of preparing the lute sonatas of Antonino Reggio. The delema is should I include the tablature in the samr volume as the staff edition of would it be better to publish two separate volumes. I intend to publish 4 volumes of 6 sonatas each. Anty suggestions? Many thanks Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute publications
I believe the consensus today to be separate publications. One could take Jan W. J. Burgers' Tree edition of Cutting as an example. G. - Original Message - From: Anthony Hart anthony.hart1...@gmail.com To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:45 PM Subject: [LUTE] Lute publications Following my previous posts I am in the final stages of preparing the lute sonatas of Antonino Reggio. The delema is should I include the tablature in the samr volume as the staff edition of would it be better to publish two separate volumes. I intend to publish 4 volumes of 6 sonatas each. Anty suggestions? Many thanks Anthony To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute publications
I mean, they could be in one volume of course, but separate. Tablature together and transcriptions behind. - Original Message - From: Anthony Hart anthony.hart1...@gmail.com To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:45 PM Subject: [LUTE] Lute publications Following my previous posts I am in the final stages of preparing the lute sonatas of Antonino Reggio. The delema is should I include the tablature in the samr volume as the staff edition of would it be better to publish two separate volumes. I intend to publish 4 volumes of 6 sonatas each. Anty suggestions? Many thanks Anthony To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute publications
Anthony, I suppose you would need to think about the demographic you want to target. As a performer familiar with the lute, if the facsimile is clear, I would not want the transcription at all. I neither want the bulk of the extra pages nor would I wish to pay for a transcription into a secondary idiom that would be of practically no use to me. An aligned edition with lute and transcription above one another causes too many page turns and is very annoying. (Most lutenists could also easily make a transcription in mensural notation if absolutely needed.) However, if your primary target group is libraries and musicologists, it could be best to have both in the same volume. Let's face it: a lute source is unlikely to be central to the work of a musicologist who doesn't play the instrument him/herself. I could imagine it might be easy for such an individual to feel content referring only to the modern transcription unless the facsimile happens to be conveniently attached. On the other hand, even for this person, it could be a bother to have to constantly flip pages back and forth between editions and they might prefer two volumes that could be laid open simultaneously. Looking beyond traditional media, I hope you'll provide downloadable PDF versions. Since publishing costs are negligible, it shouldn't be too much trouble at all to offer customers the option to purchase a lute only, transcription only and both edition. Ideally, the ultimate presentation would be a digital version optimized for mobile devices. One would have no choice but to buy the whole shebang. It could have an interactive view option wherein one could select between the three different layouts. Different individuals could select the best option for their needs or change the view as circumstances require. It could be multi-media, with options to play midi files or even real performances that follow along with the score. (I must admit, I have no idea of the formatting challenges a tablet version would require. Still, like recordings, I think digital is the way things will eventually go.) These are only my opinion. Best, Chris Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com On Wed, 3/19/14, Anthony Hart anthony.hart1...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: [LUTE] Lute publications To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 8:45 AM Following my previous posts I am in the final stages of preparing the lute sonatas of Antonino Reggio. The delema is should I include the tablature in the samr volume as the staff edition of would it be better to publish two separate volumes. I intend to publish 4 volumes of 6 sonatas each. Anty suggestions? Many thanks Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute publications
Dear Anthony, We've corresponded about the sonatas by Reggio before. In my view it all depends whether you are intending to produce a facsimile of the original sonatas - if so, a parallel modern transcription would be redundant since they are already in staff notation. Personally I should much prefer to see and use a facsimile. Regarding an intabulation, it will depend on how he expected the instrument to be tuned. Presumably, as an Italian working in Siciliy, he employed the old (ie 'Renaissance') lute tuning which persisted in Italy well into the 18th century. Looking at the example in D (Sonata X) on your site I suspect an instrument favouring the sharp keys: so either in a nominal A or just possibly in E as the late 18th century mandora popular in some other parts of Europe. Also compare keys of Dalla Casa's solos written for an instrument of similar date in nominal G Martyn From: Anthony Hart anthony.hart1...@gmail.com To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, 19 March 2014, 12:45 Subject: [LUTE] Lute publications Following my previous posts I am in the final stages of preparing the lute sonatas of Antonino Reggio. The delema is should I include the tablature in the samr volume as the staff edition of would it be better to publish two separate volumes. I intend to publish 4 volumes of 6 sonatas each. Anty suggestions? Many thanks Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute publications
As I remember Anthony's project, the original is in score format and he is providing an editorial intabulation for performers. The options brought up by Chris are interesting. My wife is considering publishing on a specialized topic and weighing the pros and cons of print versus electronic formats. I would prefer separate sections, at least -- not a parallel score. I don't have a strong feeling about separate or all-in-in, other than it's nice to have to an edition lay flat on a stand or table. Binding types -- saddle-stiched, perfect binding, or plastic comb/wire-o types -- could affect how well a printed book works on a music stand depending on number of pages and type of paper. You might discuss the issues with your printer. You may also be able to request blank dummy books be made from your chosen paper and binding method in the final size and number of pages to better test the option(s). There are probably also printing/binding cost implications you need to consider in producing two bound books instead of one (for each volume). Good luck! -- R On Mar 19, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote: Anthony, I suppose you would need to think about the demographic you want to target. As a performer familiar with the lute, if the facsimile is clear, I would not want the transcription at all. I neither want the bulk of the extra pages nor would I wish to pay for a transcription into a secondary idiom that would be of practically no use to me. An aligned edition with lute and transcription above one another causes too many page turns and is very annoying. (Most lutenists could also easily make a transcription in mensural notation if absolutely needed.) However, if your primary target group is libraries and musicologists, it could be best to have both in the same volume. Let's face it: a lute source is unlikely to be central to the work of a musicologist who doesn't play the instrument him/herself. I could imagine it might be easy for such an individual to feel content referring only to the modern transcription unless the facsimile happens to be conveniently attached. On the other hand, even for this person, it could be a bother to have to constantly flip pages back and forth between editions and they might prefer two volumes that could be laid open simultaneously. Looking beyond traditional media, I hope you'll provide downloadable PDF versions. Since publishing costs are negligible, it shouldn't be too much trouble at all to offer customers the option to purchase a lute only, transcription only and both edition. Ideally, the ultimate presentation would be a digital version optimized for mobile devices. One would have no choice but to buy the whole shebang. It could have an interactive view option wherein one could select between the three different layouts. Different individuals could select the best option for their needs or change the view as circumstances require. It could be multi-media, with options to play midi files or even real performances that follow along with the score. (I must admit, I have no idea of the formatting challenges a tablet version would require. Still, like recordings, I think digital is the way things will eventually go.) These are only my opinion. Best, Chris Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com On Wed, 3/19/14, Anthony Hart anthony.hart1...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: [LUTE] Lute publications To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 8:45 AM Following my previous posts I am in the final stages of preparing the lute sonatas of Antonino Reggio. The delema is should I include the tablature in the samr volume as the staff edition of would it be better to publish two separate volumes. I intend to publish 4 volumes of 6 sonatas each. Anty suggestions? Many thanks Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute publications
so far I remeber, the original is not in tablature, isn't it? Le Mercredi 19 mars 2014 16h13, Rockford Mjos rm...@comcast.net a ecrit : As I remember Anthony's project, the original is in score format and he is providing an editorial intabulation for performers. The options brought up by Chris are interesting. My wife is considering publishing on a specialized topic and weighing the pros and cons of print versus electronic formats. I would prefer separate sections, at least -- not a parallel score. I don't have a strong feeling about separate or all-in-in, other than it's nice to have to an edition lay flat on a stand or table. Binding types -- saddle-stiched, perfect binding, or plastic comb/wire-o types -- could affect how well a printed book works on a music stand depending on number of pages and type of paper. You might discuss the issues with your printer. You may also be able to request blank dummy books be made from your chosen paper and binding method in the final size and number of pages to better test the option(s). There are probably also printing/binding cost implications you need to consider in producing two bound books instead of one (for each volume). Good luck! -- R On Mar 19, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote: Anthony, I suppose you would need to think about the demographic you want to target. As a performer familiar with the lute, if the facsimile is clear, I would not want the transcription at all. I neither want the bulk of the extra pages nor would I wish to pay for a transcription into a secondary idiom that would be of practically no use to me. An aligned edition with lute and transcription above one another causes too many page turns and is very annoying. (Most lutenists could also easily make a transcription in mensural notation if absolutely needed.) However, if your primary target group is libraries and musicologists, it could be best to have both in the same volume. Let's face it: a lute source is unlikely to be central to the work of a musicologist who doesn't play the instrument him/herself. I could imagine it might be easy for such an individual to feel content referring only to the modern transcription unless the facsimile happens to be conveniently attached. On the other hand, even for this person, it could be a bother to have to constantly flip pages back and forth between editions and they might prefer two volumes that could be laid open simultaneously. Looking beyond traditional media, I hope you'll provide downloadable PDF versions. Since publishing costs are negligible, it shouldn't be too much trouble at all to offer customers the option to purchase a lute only, transcription only and both edition. Ideally, the ultimate presentation would be a digital version optimized for mobile devices. One would have no choice but to buy the whole shebang. It could have an interactive view option wherein one could select between the three different layouts. Different individuals could select the best option for their needs or change the view as circumstances require. It could be multi-media, with options to play midi files or even real performances that follow along with the score. (I must admit, I have no idea of the formatting challenges a tablet version would require. Still, like recordings, I think digital is the way things will eventually go.) These are only my opinion. Best, Chris Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com On Wed, 3/19/14, Anthony Hart [1]anthony.hart1...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: [LUTE] Lute publications To: Lute List [2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 8:45 AM Following my previous posts I am in the final stages of preparing the lute sonatas of Antonino Reggio. The delema is should I include the tablature in the samr volume as the staff edition of would it be better to publish two separate volumes. I intend to publish 4 volumes of 6 sonatas each. Anty suggestions? Many thanks Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:anthony.hart1...@gmail.com 2. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute publications
Anthony, as I understand it now, I would suggest the following. Make one volume with the original score in facsimile, and your own editorial of it. The other would be your intabulation. And that one would be the most interesting for us players and the other one for musicologists? Is the reason for publishing volumes by 6 and not in one, a result of making the edition easy to use for practising musicians? Best G. - Original Message - From: Anthony Hart anthony.hart1...@gmail.com To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:45 PM Subject: [LUTE] Lute publications Following my previous posts I am in the final stages of preparing the lute sonatas of Antonino Reggio. The delema is should I include the tablature in the samr volume as the staff edition of would it be better to publish two separate volumes. I intend to publish 4 volumes of 6 sonatas each. Anty suggestions? Many thanks Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4336 / Virus Database: 3722/7214 - Release Date: 03/19/14
[LUTE] Re: Lute publications
On 03/19/2014 05:45 AM, Anthony Hart wrote: Following my previous posts I am in the final stages of preparing the lute sonatas of Antonino Reggio. The delema is should I include the tablature in the samr volume as the staff edition of would it be better to publish two separate volumes. I intend to publish 4 volumes of 6 sonatas each. As a exclusive reader of staff, I greatly appreciate having it printed alone. I see little benefit to the usual practice of interlacing the staff and tablature together; it seems to me that this practice serves only to inconvenience the reader of either version, doubling the number of page turns. Toby To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute publications
Agreed. I don't know that there's much player crossover between notation formats, even among those who do work from both on an instrument-by-situation basis. If you have the ability and resources to generate two separate editions, that might better serve. That said, if I recall correctly (and please forgive me for citing Mel Bay for anything), Ronn McFarlane's The Scottish Lute was released with one version staple bound with a proper, glossy, cover-stock cover (I can't remember which: standard notation or tablature) and the version other as a paper-cover, part-style insert. That was also effective in not requiring the excessive page turns of a parallel-notation edition and only requiring one publication release. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Tobiah Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:54 PM To: Anthony Hart; Lute List Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute publications On 03/19/2014 05:45 AM, Anthony Hart wrote: Following my previous posts I am in the final stages of preparing the lute sonatas of Antonino Reggio. The delema is should I include the tablature in the samr volume as the staff edition of would it be better to publish two separate volumes. I intend to publish 4 volumes of 6 sonatas each. As a exclusive reader of staff, I greatly appreciate having it printed alone. I see little benefit to the usual practice of interlacing the staff and tablature together; it seems to me that this practice serves only to inconvenience the reader of either version, doubling the number of page turns. Toby To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Aux plaisirs, aux delices
Dear lutefolk, Could some kind soul lead me to an online facsimile of Guedron's air, 'Aux plaisirs, aux delices' online - or share a tabb'd version for the lute part and voice? I have a piano reduction but not the time to intabulate it. Many thanks, Sean To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute publications
Back in 1968 The Oxford University Press did just that- soft cover book of the two stave transcription for lute in G, and legible facsimiles and reconstructed illegible facsimiles in a separate paper insert. Music for the Lute General Editor David Lumsden. Works just fine for me- pick, choose, compare. Some kind of good spiral binding so the staff transcription lies flat on the music stand without being half destroyed would be the only improvement. A total waste of paper is the Moscow Weiss Manuscript from Editions Orphee, Monuments of the Lutenist Art- Vol. 1 - reduced size, illegible facsimile printed horizontally in a vertically formatted perfect bound book, in the same volume as the transcription. Impossible to put on a music stand, won't stay open, and (with my aging eyes, at least) impossible to read. The one thing I give credit for, though, is the close-to-each-other double staff; enough space for visual differentiation and to include middle c. Somewhat lute reading friendlier than the usual keyboard tablature two handed set up. Dan On 3/19/2014 11:08 AM, Braig, Eugene wrote: Agreed. I don't know that there's much player crossover between notation formats, even among those who do work from both on an instrument-by-situation basis. If you have the ability and resources to generate two separate editions, that might better serve. That said, if I recall correctly (and please forgive me for citing Mel Bay for anything), Ronn McFarlane's The Scottish Lute was released with one version staple bound with a proper, glossy, cover-stock cover (I can't remember which: standard notation or tablature) and the version other as a paper-cover, part-style insert. That was also effective in not requiring the excessive page turns of a parallel-notation edition and only requiring one publication release. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Tobiah Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:54 PM To: Anthony Hart; Lute List Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute publications On 03/19/2014 05:45 AM, Anthony Hart wrote: Following my previous posts I am in the final stages of preparing the lute sonatas of Antonino Reggio. The delema is should I include the tablature in the samr volume as the staff edition of would it be better to publish two separate volumes. I intend to publish 4 volumes of 6 sonatas each. As a exclusive reader of staff, I greatly appreciate having it printed alone. I see little benefit to the usual practice of interlacing the staff and tablature together; it seems to me that this practice serves only to inconvenience the reader of either version, doubling the number of page turns. Toby To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Aux plaisirs, aux delices
Could some kind soul lead me to an online facsimile of Guedron's air, 'Aux plaisirs, aux delices' online - or share a tabb'd version for the lute part and voice? I have a piano reduction but not the time to intabulate it. Have a look here: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/links/Digital-Facsimiles.html Sarting from here http://philidor.cmbv.fr/Publications/Catalogues-de-genre/Catalogue-de-l-air-de-cour-en-France-1602-ca-1660/Oeuvres/GUEDRON-Pierre-1566-ca-1620-ca-AUX-PLAISIRS-AUX-DELICES-BERGERES-air-de-cour I think it is in Bataille's fifth book. best regards Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Aux plaisirs, aux delices
Yes, in fact all of Bataille's books of airs de cours are here: [1]https://mail.google.com/mail/u/1/#inbox/144dba7962b23c29 A marvelous resource! Best to all, Chris. On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Bernd Haegemann [2]b...@symbol4.de wrote: Could some kind soul lead me to an online facsimile of Guedron's air, 'Aux plaisirs, aux delices' online - or share a tabb'd version for the lute part and voice? I have a piano reduction but not the time to intabulate it. Have a look here: [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/links/Digital-Facsimiles.html Sarting from here [4]http://philidor.cmbv.fr/Publications/Catalogues-de-genre/Catalogu e-de-l-air-de-cour-en-France-1602-ca-1660/Oeuvres/GUEDRON-Pierre-156 6-ca-1620-ca-AUX-PLAISIRS-AUX-DELICES-BERGERES-air-de-cour I think it is in Bataille's fifth book. best regards Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https://mail.google.com/mail/u/1/#inbox/144dba7962b23c29 2. mailto:b...@symbol4.de 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/links/Digital-Facsimiles.html 4. http://philidor.cmbv.fr/Publications/Catalogues-de-genre/Catalogue-de-l-air-de-cour-en-France-1602-ca-1660/Oeuvres/GUEDRON-Pierre-1566-ca-1620-ca-AUX-PLAISIRS-AUX-DELICES-BERGERES-air-de-cour 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Aux plaisirs, aux delices
Mystery cleared up. Mine is from Echos de France 1890 - on the web - and who knows what's been done to it. I'll hopefully persuade my singer back to the original. Thanks folks! Sean On Mar 19, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Bernd Haegemann wrote: Could some kind soul lead me to an online facsimile of Guedron's air, 'Aux plaisirs, aux delices' online - or share a tabb'd version for the lute part and voice? I have a piano reduction but not the time to intabulate it. Have a look here: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/links/Digital-Facsimiles.html Sarting from here http://philidor.cmbv.fr/Publications/Catalogues-de-genre/Catalogue-de-l-air-de-cour-en-France-1602-ca-1660/Oeuvres/GUEDRON-Pierre-1566-ca-1620-ca-AUX-PLAISIRS-AUX-DELICES-BERGERES-air-de-cour I think it is in Bataille's fifth book. best regards Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
