[LUTE] Re: Lute Strap
Sean, I'd love to see a picture of that if you can point at one? Anyone else having pictures to go with their various strap configurations, feel free to chime in. On Jul 27, 2015, at 1:32 PM, Sean Smith lutesm...@mac.com wrote: Hi Herbert, When I'm playing and wearing the strap, its pull is about 35 degrees away from the line of the neck (to the bridge). If you were looking straight at the belly, the strings would pull away to the left, to the rear and at an acute angle to the neck. The strings, after they bend around the nut, pull the pegox into the join at the neck at about 35 kg (338 N if I've read my StringCalc app correctly for my 6c). I can't see how the weight of the lute pulling on the pegbox from *any* direction will significantly compete with those 35 kg and its hide glue adhesive. The strap pulls from two strings: one placed near the join and one towards the other end of the pegbox and they pull, more or less, equally. Apparently I'm not understanding your observation. But fret not; I do worry a little. The endpin is only held in by friction (and a paper shim to give it the right diameter). I make sure _never_ to pull the strap from the bottom away from the lute! Sean On Jul 27, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Herbert Ward wrote: The force from the strap (to some extent) counters the force from the strings. The strings pull the pegbox in one direction, and the strap pulls it in more-or-less the opposite direction, so there is a cancellation effect. A strap at the pegbox would be much worse if it pulled in the same direction as the strings. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Strap
Sean's suggestion was very useful ,that is having two points of contact on the pegbox. With two cords from a guitar strap attached to these, there is an extra level of stability and as he says, no rotating. Many thanks __ From: Sean Smith lutesm...@mac.com To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2015, 4:26 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Strap Charles I keep an eye out at Goodwills and other used clothing stores for a useful belt. Years ago I found the perfect Marks Spencer for a couple of bucks and modified it for the lute strap. You certainly don't want any metal bits bobbling around in the case. I use two dark laces coming off the shoulder to the pegbox that keep the lute in exactly the position I want it. No rotating and the strings and right hand are always where I want them. Position is one thing but consistancy has its place, too. This really helped me move forward a few years ago in technique and - bonus - I can stand comfortably and play, too. If I hadn't listened to too much prog in the 70s I could probably even dance. I could send you pics if you'd like. Sean -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] national lute day?
Hi lute world - I was hearing a lot of lutes on the radio Sunday morning, so I thought I would see if there was a “National Lute Day”. When I googled it I got a lot of hits for NATIONAL BE LATE FOR SOMETHING DAY - September 5. I think there is a PHD in analyzing this. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Strap
The force from the strap (to some extent) counters the force from the strings. The strings pull the pegbox in one direction, and the strap pulls it in more-or-less the opposite direction, so there is a cancellation effect. A strap at the pegbox would be much worse if it pulled in the same direction as the strings. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Strap
Hi Herbert, When I'm playing and wearing the strap, its pull is about 35 degrees away from the line of the neck (to the bridge). If you were looking straight at the belly, the strings would pull away to the left, to the rear and at an acute angle to the neck. The strings, after they bend around the nut, pull the pegox into the join at the neck at about 35 kg (338 N if I've read my StringCalc app correctly for my 6c). I can't see how the weight of the lute pulling on the pegbox from *any* direction will significantly compete with those 35 kg and its hide glue adhesive. The strap pulls from two strings: one placed near the join and one towards the other end of the pegbox and they pull, more or less, equally. Apparently I'm not understanding your observation. But fret not; I do worry a little. The endpin is only held in by friction (and a paper shim to give it the right diameter). I make sure _never_ to pull the strap from the bottom away from the lute! Sean On Jul 27, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Herbert Ward wrote: The force from the strap (to some extent) counters the force from the strings. The strings pull the pegbox in one direction, and the strap pulls it in more-or-less the opposite direction, so there is a cancellation effect. A strap at the pegbox would be much worse if it pulled in the same direction as the strings. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Strap
I always use a nice screw to strengthen the pegbox to neck joint as this is the way I was taught in lute building. What do other lute makers do? I am at the moment making a triple beg box for a baroque lute and am about to configure the screw and joint. Lutes always have a screw or nail at the neck block, so why not at the pegbox too? Sterling Sent from my iPad On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:38 AM, Charles Mokotoff mokot...@gmail.com wrote: Sean, I'd love to see a picture of that if you can point at one? Anyone else having pictures to go with their various strap configurations, feel free to chime in. On Jul 27, 2015, at 1:32 PM, Sean Smith lutesm...@mac.com wrote: Hi Herbert, When I'm playing and wearing the strap, its pull is about 35 degrees away from the line of the neck (to the bridge). If you were looking straight at the belly, the strings would pull away to the left, to the rear and at an acute angle to the neck. The strings, after they bend around the nut, pull the pegox into the join at the neck at about 35 kg (338 N if I've read my StringCalc app correctly for my 6c). I can't see how the weight of the lute pulling on the pegbox from *any* direction will significantly compete with those 35 kg and its hide glue adhesive. The strap pulls from two strings: one placed near the join and one towards the other end of the pegbox and they pull, more or less, equally. Apparently I'm not understanding your observation. But fret not; I do worry a little. The endpin is only held in by friction (and a paper shim to give it the right diameter). I make sure _never_ to pull the strap from the bottom away from the lute! Sean On Jul 27, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Herbert Ward wrote: The force from the strap (to some extent) counters the force from the strings. The strings pull the pegbox in one direction, and the strap pulls it in more-or-less the opposite direction, so there is a cancellation effect. A strap at the pegbox would be much worse if it pulled in the same direction as the strings. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: national lute day?
Like. David On Monday, July 27, 2015, wayne cripps [1]wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu wrote: Hi lute world - I was hearing a lot of lutes on the radio Sunday morning, so I thought I would see if there was a National Lute Day. When I googled it I got a lot of hits for NATIONAL BE LATE FOR SOMETHING DAY - September 5. I think there is a PHD in analyzing this. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [4]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: national lute day?
When I was searching the ASU library for the Welde lute book, I got a full page of references for welding. Even though my Ph.D. is in metallurgy, that really wasn't what I wanted. A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer EMail: [1]john.mardi...@asu.edu Cell: [2]408-921-3253 (does not work in TEM labs) Titan Lab: [3]480-727-5651 NION UltraSTEM Lab: [4]480-727-5652 JEOL ARM 200 Lab: [5]480-727-5653 2010F Lab: [6]480-727-5654 Office: [7]480-965-7946 John Cowley Center for HREM, LE-CSSS B134B Bateman Physical Sciences Building Arizona State University [8]PO Box 871704 [9]Tempe, AZ 85287-1704 On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:14 AM, wayne cripps [10]wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu wrote: Hi lute world - I was hearing a lot of lutes on the radio Sunday morning, so I thought I would see if there was a National Lute Day. When I googled it I got a lot of hits for NATIONAL BE LATE FOR SOMETHING DAY - September 5. I think there is a PHD in analyzing this. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at [11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html References 1. mailto:john.mardi...@asu.edu 2. tel:408-921-3253 3. tel:480-727-5651 4. tel:480-727-5652 5. tel:480-727-5653 6. tel:480-727-5654 7. tel:480-965-7946 8. x-apple-data-detectors://6/ 9. x-apple-data-detectors://6/ 10. mailto:wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu 11. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Strap
I have a diagram how to tie the strap so there would be no rotation - http://polyhymnion.org/swv/theaxe.html RT On 7/27/2015 1:07 PM, Tony wrote: Sean's suggestion was very useful ,that is having two points of contact on the pegbox. With two cords from a guitar strap attached to these, there is an extra level of stability and as he says, no rotating. Many thanks __ From: Sean Smith lutesm...@mac.com To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2015, 4:26 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Strap Charles I keep an eye out at Goodwills and other used clothing stores for a useful belt. Years ago I found the perfect Marks Spencer for a couple of bucks and modified it for the lute strap. You certainly don't want any metal bits bobbling around in the case. I use two dark laces coming off the shoulder to the pegbox that keep the lute in exactly the position I want it. No rotating and the strings and right hand are always where I want them. Position is one thing but consistancy has its place, too. This really helped me move forward a few years ago in technique and - bonus - I can stand comfortably and play, too. If I hadn't listened to too much prog in the 70s I could probably even dance. I could send you pics if you'd like. Sean -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
