[LUTE] Re: Tablature
Thanks Ron, for reminding me of Coelho's site. There is SO much erudite and relevant material there! G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tablature
..only after a couple of schnaps ! :-) Jean-Marie -- >..and in German tablature :) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tablature
..and in German tablature :) On 11/12/2018 20:33, Arto Wikla wrote: I thought every serious lutenist can sing the tabulature lines. sincerely Arto On 11/12/18 21:25, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: What about those of us who compose in tabulature? I also know a few people who can sing off the tab. RT http://turovsky.org Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. On Dec 11, 2018, at 2:11 PM, Ron Andrico wrote: Modern tablatures appear to be a substitute for reading music in standard notation and seem to require aural familiarity with the intabulated piece. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
[LUTE] Re: Tablature
I thought every serious lutenist can sing the tabulature lines. sincerely Arto On 11/12/18 21:25, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: What about those of us who compose in tabulature? I also know a few people who can sing off the tab. RT http://turovsky.org Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. On Dec 11, 2018, at 2:11 PM, Ron Andrico wrote: Modern tablatures appear to be a substitute for reading music in standard notation and seem to require aural familiarity with the intabulated piece. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Roman Turovsky - Tombeau de Walerian Lukasinski - Maciej Konczak (baroque lute)
> > For your perusal and enlightenment/delectation: > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkgCITuz4pM > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walerian_%C5%81ukasi%C5%84ski > > http://www.polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/s/tombeau-lukasinski.pdf > > Enjoy! > Amities, > RT > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tablature
What about those of us who compose in tabulature? I also know a few people who can sing off the tab. RT http://turovsky.org Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. > On Dec 11, 2018, at 2:11 PM, Ron Andrico wrote: > > Modern tablatures appear to be a substitute > for reading music in standard notation and seem to require aural > familiarity with the intabulated piece. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Roman Turovsky - Tombeau de Walerian Lukasinski - Maciej Konczak (baroque lute) - YouTube
For your perusal and enlightenment/delectation: [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkgCITuz4pM [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walerian_%C5%81ukasi%C5%84ski [3]http://www.polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/s/tombeau-lukasinski.pdf Enjoy! Amities, RT -- References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkgCITuz4pM 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walerian_ÅukasiÅski?fbclid=IwAR0JOHgi5XQb-rgkPHS_W6yM4WL2SgQrZGuRNmEZjFguvmttivvfder3j3Y 3. http://www.polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/s/tombeau-lukasinski.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0Wr4lG7OUmWgCtFulSguAOiVFlKbDwKzpP2IJ5V5x63_5PXiJSbtDZPSc To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tablature
Many thanks Goran for your kind words. Tablature is insufficiently recognized as the first form of computer code: converting music to numbers was done long before DVDs came about, after all. I am really glad though that tablature never made it to the compression stage... Although you could argue that German tab came close to that. I read somewhere it was a good format to save paper because it takes relatively less space. Could it be the famed and elusive MP1 format?? On 12/11/18 8:31 AM, G. C. wrote: Personally I first learned modern guitar tablature, switched to French tab on the lute, then learned Italian tablature, and finally wrote a piece of software to convert Neapolitan tab to Spanish, Italian and/or French. And how great that you did Alain! I'm sure, we are ALL extremely thankful for your gargantuan work with tablature conversion! -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Da Milano
Yes, we definitely are !!! ;-) Jean-Marie -- > I'm sure, we are ALL extremely thankful for your gargantuan work with > tablature conversion! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Da Milano
Personally I first learned modern guitar tablature, switched to French tab on the lute, then learned Italian tablature, and finally wrote a piece of software to convert Neapolitan tab to Spanish, Italian and/or French. And how great that you did Alain! I'm sure, we are ALL extremely thankful for your gargantuan work with tablature conversion! -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Da Milano
If I recall correctly, Neapolitan tablature is similar to Spanish but fret numbers start with 1 instead of zero - i.e. an empty string is notated 1. I think French tablature won out for the lute because it is much easier to notate diapasons in that system - as opposed to Italian tab. Modern guitar tablature presented itself as a kind of novelty in the 1960's with people like Stephan Grossman or Marcel Dadi. Personally I first learned modern guitar tablature, switched to French tab on the lute, then learned Italian tablature, and finally wrote a piece of software to convert Neapolitan tab to Spanish, Italian and/or French. On 12/11/18 5:03 AM, G. C. wrote: Hi Christopher, you wrote: modern guitar tab basically derives from the system devised for Hawaiian slide guitar music around 1915. So they just reinvented it almost 400 years later? Yes, that sounds reasonable. G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Neapolitan tablature (Was: Da Milano)
Back to the Sultzbach prints. I can't help to notice, that vol. 1 (italian tab) has only the playing instructions in italian, also printed in vol 2, while vol. 2 (neapolitan tab) has two additional dedications in latin. Both volumes have a latin end page, quoting the spanish king Carlos V, (which is pertinent to his neapolitan domain at the time). Vol. 1 is dated 25th of May 1536 and Vol. 2, August 1536. The latin dedication (which I can't read unfortunately) is also for a spaniard, Don Pedro de Toledo. There seems to be a "Toledo" clue here, as also the "Leonardi Schipani Dechasticum" quotes "Toletum". A translation of these 2 short pages would definitely be of help. ;) Could this imply, that the work might have come in two versions, one in italian and one in latin, and that only one of each has survived? And are these "strong" versions of Da Milano works? (I don't have in front of me how much of this material found its way into the Ness edition) B.R. G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Da Milano
Hi Christopher, you wrote: modern guitar tab basically derives from the system devised for Hawaiian slide guitar music around 1915. So they just reinvented it almost 400 years later? Yes, that sounds reasonable. G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Da Milano
Hi, all. In re: G. C.'s comment, "today's guitar scene has been completely inundated with spanish tab while the lute world seems to favour french tablature." It's a matter of notational history. Historically today's guitar tab has nothing to do with 16th century vihuela tablature. In the 18th and 19th centuries the "serious" guitar community had moved to staff notation. Though there are a few examples from the late nineteenth century, modern guitar tab basically derives from the system devised for Hawaiian slide guitar music around 1915. Best, and keep playing, Chris. On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 6:31 AM G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks for the info Matthew, I doubt that I'll find that article though :) I find it interesting though, that only one print in neapolitan tab, and one in spanish tab (Milà ¡n) survives, while today's guitar scene has been completely inundated with spanish tab while the lute world seems to favour french tablature. G On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:40 AM Matthew Daillie <[1][2]dail...@club-internet.fr> wrote: I would suggest reading Dinko Fabris's article 'The Origin of Italian Lute Tablature', if you can find it (it was published in in 2001 in Basler Jahrbuch fà ¼r Historische Musikpraxis)! There are two lute pieces in Neapolitan tabulature in the Pesaro manuscript Ms. 1144 but that doesn't answer your question regarding printed sources other than da Milano's 1536 Libro secondo. Best, Matthew Le 11 dà ©c. 2018 à 11:05, "G. C." <[2][3]kalei...@gmail.com> a à ©crit : > Found book 1 and It corresponds to Gerbode's facsimile. > > So, is volume 2 of Sulzbach the only print we have of neapolitan tab? > G. -- References 1. mailto:[4]dail...@club-internet.fr 2. mailto:[5]kalei...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 2. mailto:dail...@club-internet.fr 3. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 4. mailto:dail...@club-internet.fr 5. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Da Milano
Thanks for the info Matthew, I doubt that I'll find that article though :) I find it interesting though, that only one print in neapolitan tab, and one in spanish tab (Milán) survives, while today's guitar scene has been completely inundated with spanish tab while the lute world seems to favour french tablature. G On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:40 AM Matthew Daillie <[1]dail...@club-internet.fr> wrote: I would suggest reading Dinko Fabris's article 'The Origin of Italian Lute Tablature', if you can find it (it was published in in 2001 in Basler Jahrbuch für Historische Musikpraxis)! There are two lute pieces in Neapolitan tabulature in the Pesaro manuscript Ms. 1144 but that doesn't answer your question regarding printed sources other than da Milano's 1536 Libro secondo. Best, Matthew Le 11 déc. 2018 à 11:05, "G. C." <[2]kalei...@gmail.com> a écrit : > Found book 1 and It corresponds to Gerbode's facsimile. > >So, is volume 2 of Sulzbach the only print we have of neapolitan tab? >G. -- References 1. mailto:dail...@club-internet.fr 2. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Da Milano
I would suggest reading Dinko Fabris's article 'The Origin of Italian Lute Tablature', if you can find it (it was published in in 2001 in Basler Jahrbuch für Historische Musikpraxis)! There are two lute pieces in Neapolitan tabulature in the Pesaro manuscript Ms. 1144 but that doesn't answer your question regarding printed sources other than da Milano's 1536 Libro secondo. Best, Matthew Le 11 déc. 2018 à 11:05, "G. C." a écrit : > Found book 1 and It corresponds to Gerbode's facsimile. > > So, is volume 2 of Sulzbach the only print we have of neapolitan tab? > G. > > -- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Da Milano
Found book 1 and It corresponds to Gerbode's facsimile. So, is volume 2 of Sulzbach the only print we have of neapolitan tab? G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Da Milano
I see now, that book 2 on Gerbode's site is effectively in neapolitan tab. What about book 1? G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Da Milano
Dear All, I'm looking for the two books in Neapolitan tab from 1536 Intavolatura de viola o vero lauto cio e Recercate, Canzone Francese, Motette, composto per lo Eccelente & Unico musico Francesco Milanese, non mai piu stampata Libro primo (secondo) della Fortuna, Naples 1536 There should be a Minkoff reprint from 1977 I can't recall seeing it on the net. Gerbode has the facs of two volumes by Sulzbach in italian tab, but I can't remember now if they correspond to the ones in neapolitan tab. Any suggestions? Best wishes G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
