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[LUTE] Re: Red notes in Eysert

2020-08-24 Thread Arthur Ness

   Bravo!   I  tried looking for the Klima inventory but it seems to be
   lost among my papers.
   -Original Message-
   From: Jussi-Pekka Lajunen 
   To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2020 11:53 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Red notes in Eysert
   I wrote in my earlier message that "The chords in those parts seem to
   differ from the harmony of the original pieces." I was thinking the
   intabulation of Quem vidistis when I wrote that. Now it makes sense. In
   that particular piece the red ink probably indicates a lute tuned a
   whole tone lower.
   magnus andersson kirjoitti 24.8.2020 klo 11.21:
   >Dear all,
   >As one can see, none of the dance pieces are written with two
   different
   >types of ink.
   >I initially thought that they indicate a different tuned
   instrument, as
   >in
   >Hassler Ã Â´s "Omnes Gentes", 9v.
   >Bar 8.
   >2nd Choir sings alone, ink goes red.
   >This is for a lute tuned a whole tone lower than the lute in
   "normal"
   >ink.
   >But, looking at the piece "Lieto Godea" by Gabrieli, on 80v. the
   ink
   >just indicates a different
   >choir and not a different tuned instrument. Perhaps Michael
   Eysertt
   >played this music
   >with a student friend, reading from the same page? As the duets
   later
   >in the book show,
   >where the second parts are written upside down, it is clear that
   the
   >book was used by two lutenists to some extent.
   >Best,
   >Magnus
   >
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[LUTE] Re: Red notes in Eysert

2020-08-24 Thread Arthur Ness

   Thanks Matthew,
   Mrs. Minkoff did some strange things in her facsimile editions, as
   valuable as they have become.  She probably did not understand the
   reason for the red ciphers.  In one instance she removed the fingering
   dots.  I recall a lute conference at which Robert Spencer spoke angrily
   about such "cleaning" of tablature. Sylvia was present.
   Thereafter she became more cautious. (A magnificently noble lady!  We
   owe her for so much.)
   Regards, Arthur.
   -Original Message-
   From: Matthew Daillie 
   To: Arthur Ness 
   Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 
   Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2020 4:48 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Red notes in Eysert
   That was in prints of vihuela music, notably Milan (which is why
   Minkoff's B facsimile of his music was flawed, unlike the more recent
   colour facsimile published by the Sociedad de la Vihuela).
   Best,
   Matthew
   > On Aug 24, 2020, at 00:12, Arthur Ness
   <[1]arthurjn...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
   >
   > Someone (Petrucci??? or Spanish?) published tablatures with single
   line
   >  in red.  That was for the voice to sing to the lute.  Both reading
   from
   >  the tablature!
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[LUTE] Re: Red notes in Eysert

2020-08-23 Thread Arthur Ness

   Those canzonas, etc. by Gabrieli et al. are often for two choirs.  So
   the colors might differentiate the two  You could check by looking at
   the pieces in their original pitch notation (many modern editions;
   IMSLP???).   Would the player vary his touch to differentiae the two?
   Methinks you should indicate the red ciphers in your transcription.
   >rr<   [>r = red ciphers]
   Someone (Petrucci??? or Spanish?) published tablatures with single line
   in red.  That was for the voice to sing to the lute.  Both reading from
   the tablature!
   -Original Message-
   From: Sarge Gerbode 
   Cc: lute net ; LSA President
   
   Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2020 1:22 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Red notes in Eysert
   After putting out the first 50 pages of the Eysert Lute Book, I realize
   that I have ignored the red notes, figuring that they were faded ink or
   a meaningless idiosyncrasy of the scribe.  But now I am wondering if
   they do, in fact, actually mean something. fronimo can do red notes,
   so... Anybody have any thoughts about this?
   --Sarge
   On 8/23/2020 9:12 AM, David Smith wrote:
   > Nancy,
   > I want to strongly encourage the direction you are taking with LSA
   taking over responsibility for continuing Wayne's work. I run a number
   of sites for non-profits and have run eda.org for the EDA industry
   (until we shut it down). It is really important for the work to be an
   organizations instead of an individual. That helps to ensure continuity
   and makes it easier to find.
   >
   > I have strongly considered offering to take over the mailing list,
   tab software archives, mailing archives, lutes for sale, etc... But, I
   have not done so since I did not want it to be an individual effort.
   >
   > Wayne, thank you so much for all that you have done. It has been of
   immense help over the years to so many people. A great testimony to
   your love and dedication to the lute and its community.
   >
   > Regards
   > David Smith
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: [1]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
   <[2]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> On Behalf Of Nancy Carlin
   > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 8:33 AM
   > Cc: lute net <[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; LSA President
   <[4]lutesocietyamericapresid...@gmail.com>
   > Subject: [LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
   >
   > I think the LSA might be able to take over the lutes for sale and
   lute list from Wayne. I am checking with people now and hopefully we
   can get this organized ASAP.  We will have a new LSA website this fall
   - it has taken quite a while to get our site re-organized to make it
   more useful, The new site will include things like our Facsimiles
   Collection in a more easily searchable format, as well as archives of
   all old LSA publications.
   > Nancy
   >>> I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has
   >>> been interesting and fun.  Now I am retiring from my job at
   Dartmouth
   >>> College, and when I retire the computers that I have run will be
   shut
   >>> down.  This includes the  mail servers that run the lute mail list.
   >>> So it is time to retire from running the lute mail list too.  I
   will
   >>> also be closing my lute web page, my lute tablature page, and
   "Lutes
   >>> For Sale" web page.
   >>>
   >>> If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I
   suggest
   >>> that they announce it on my list in the next month, while my list
   is
   >>> still running.  My list runs using software that I wrote, and I
   don't
   >>> recommend that someone else try to use it.  I don't know the last
   day
   >>> yet, but I will make an announcement when my list actually closes.
   >>>
   >>>  Wayne
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
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   4. mailto:lutesocietyamericapresid...@gmail.com
   5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   6. http://lutesocietyofamerica.org/

[LUTE] Re: Eysert MS

2020-08-17 Thread Arthur Ness

   You cite Sarge's transcription.  He also has the manuscript in
   Facsimile. First item in the list of facsimiles.  AJN.
   -Original Message-
   From: Tristan von Neumann 
   To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 
   Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2020 9:39 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Eysert MS
   Yeah, I noticed...
   That's Terzi level stuff...
   On 17.08.20 13:32, Christopher Stetson wrote:
   >Thanks for pointing this out, Tristan.  I took a quick look.  Not
   for
   >the faint of heart!
   >Chris.
   >
   >On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 6:34 AM Tristan von Neumann
   ><[1][1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
   >
   >  The first 50 pieces of a manuscript of which I had never heard
   >  before.
   >  Rare Gabrieli intabulations and some English pieces!
   >  Thank you, Sarge!
   >
   [2][2]http://gerbode.net/sources/A-LIa_oberosterreichisches_landesarchi
   >  v/HS._475_Eysert_Lute_Book_c1600/pdf/
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   >2.
   [5]http://gerbode.net/sources/A-LIa_oberosterreichisches_landesarchiv/H
   S._475_Eysert_Lute_Book_c1600/pdf/
   >3. [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   >

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   2. http://gerbode.net/sources/A-LIa_oberosterreichisches_landesarchi
   3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   4. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
   5. 
http://gerbode.net/sources/A-LIa_oberosterreichisches_landesarchiv/HS._475_Eysert_Lute_Book_c1600/pdf/
   6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Sixteenth century lute treatises by Hiroyuki Minamino

2020-04-27 Thread Arthur Ness

   Possibly you mean Hiro's doctoral dissertation at the U. of Chicago.
   He worked with Howard Mayer Brown (!!!):

"Sixteenth-Century Lute Treatises with Emphasis on Process and Techniques of
Intabulation."

   Available through ProQuest (?)  Check AMS Doctoral Dissertations in
   Musicology for info.  --AJN
   -Original Message-
   From: Guilherme Barroso 
   To: T.Kakinami 
   Cc: LuteList 
   Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 6:23 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Sixteenth century lute treatises by Hiroyuki
   Minamino
 Dear Toshiaki
 Thanks for your reply.
 There are very interesting articles there but i could not find the
 thesis i am looking for in that link.
 Em ter., 21 de abr. de 2020 Ã s 12:04, T.Kakinami
 <[1][1]tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp> escreveu:
   You mean  ?

   [2][2]https://escholarship.org/search?q=Minamino%2C%20Hiroyuki%E3%80%80
   Sixteenth%2
   0
   Toshiaki Kakinami
   -Original Message-
   From: [3][3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
   [mailto:[4][4]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of
   Guilherme
   Barroso
   Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 6:01 PM
   To: LuteList
   Subject: [LUTE] Sixteenth century lute treatises by Hiroyuki
   Minamino
   Dear collective,
   Would anyone of you have a pdf from the thesis  Sixteenth
   century lute
   treatises by Hiroyuki Minamino? Or maybe have an idea where i
   could
   find it?
   Thanks a lot and stay healthy!
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   References
 1. mailto:[7]tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp
 2. [8]https://escholarship.org/search?q=Minamino,
   HiroyukiÃ£Sixteenth%2
 3. mailto:[9]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
 4. mailto:[10]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
 5. [11]http://www.guilherme-barroso.com/
 6. [12]http://www.guilherme-barroso.com/
 7. [13]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 8. [14]http://www.guilherme-barroso.com/

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   2. https://escholarship.org/search?q=Minamino%2C%20Hiroyuki%E3%80%80
   3. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
   4. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
   5. http://www.guilherme-barroso.com/
   6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   7. mailto:tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp
   8. https://escholarship.org/search?q=Minamino,
   9. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
  10. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
  11. http://www.guilherme-barroso.com/
  12. http://www.guilherme-barroso.com/
  13. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  14. http://www.guilherme-barroso.com/

[LUTE] Re: Melchior Newsidler's portrait, again

2019-11-11 Thread Arthur Ness

   Reportedly he and his companion traveled over the Alps to Innsbruck
   during a blizzard.  He was with Philippe Camerarius, an associate of
   Martin Luther who had recently been freed from being imprisoned by the
   Roman Inquisition.  They traveled through Siena where they stayed at
   the Inn of the Mermaid (or Siren, a symbol associated with Siena;  the
   Siena Lute Book has a watermark representing a siren).
   Here's another engraving of MN aged 43:
   https://digitalcollections.nypl.org/items/510d47e1-d59b-a3d9-e040-e00a1
   8064a99
   Arthur
   -Original Message-
   From: Joachim LÃÂ¼dtke 
   To: David Van Edwards 
   Cc: Tristan von Neumann ;
   lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 
   Sent: Mon, Nov 11, 2019 8:59 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Melchior Newsidler's portrait, again
 At 12:48 +0100 11/11/19, Joachim LÃÂ¼dtke wrote:
   Well, in winter 1565, while his lute books were set and printed in
   Venice, Melchior together with some fellow Germans went over the
   Alps, in deep snow and at freezing temperature. Some piece of
   hard-frozen snow or ice may have hit him during the passage Ã  ;)
   Joachim
   dler's portrait, again
   Datum: 2019-11-11T12:02:50+0100

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[LUTE] Portraits of Melchior Newsidler (lacking) WAS: Re: de Rippe portrait // Lutist portraits

2019-11-10 Thread Arthur Ness

   An oil painting of MNewsidler was omitted from my message.  Possibly
   the one commissioned by MN's patrons, the Fuggers.   Maybe I can post
   it to Facebook.
   I forgot about Wayne's prohibition of attachments.  Sorry Wayne!
   Arthur.
   -Original Message-
   On 31.10.19 12:43, David Van Edwards wrote:
   > To answer the second part of your question:
   >
   > Possibly:
   >
   >  Melchior Newsidler 1574
   >  [1]https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-3
   >
   > Sebastian Ochsenkhun 1588
   > [2]https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-183
   >
   > Sixtus Kargel (1540-1600)
   > [3]https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-530
   >
   > Etc. Etc. Just search the Lute Society lute image database.
   >
   > Best wishes,
   >
   > David
   >
   >
   >
   > At 10:22 +0100 31/10/19, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
   >> Dear Lutists,
   >>
   >>
   >> I just noticed that there is a portrait in "Le CinquiÃÂ¨me Livre" of
   the
   >> 1562 Le Roy print of Albert de Rippe's works.
   >>
   >> Is this considered an authentic portrait of de Rippe or just
   generic?
   >>
   >>
   >> Are there any confirmed authentic portraits of 16th c. lutenists?
   >>
   >> Links to pics are welcome.
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >> :)
   >> T*
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
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   >> [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   >
   >

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   2. https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-183
   3. https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-530
   4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] More Melchior Newsidler (was Re: de Rippe portrait // Lutist portraits)

2019-11-09 Thread Arthur Ness

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Here is a portrait thought to represent Melchior Newsidler.Â  The Fuggers were 
MN patrons and are said to have commissioned his portrait from a visiting 
Italian painter.Â  The art historians have suggested an artist, but they 
thought MN to be Hans' brother (b. ca. 1505).Â  Hans was his father and 
Melchior was born in 1531, and the dates don't match with the presumed artist.. 
(More on the engraving below.)
The cited engraving comes from the MN lute book publ. by Jobin in 1574 when MN 
was in Strasbourg.Â  It is by Tobias Stimmer, one of the leading artists of his 
day and a Jobin in-law--thus undoubtedly painted "from Life"Â  He was 
especially noted for capturing his setters' emotional state. In this case, MN 
comes out as a very stern individual under Stimmer's tools.
https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-3Â 

-Original Message-
From: David Van Edwards 
To: Tristan von Neumann 
Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 
Sent: Thu, Oct 31, 2019 7:47 am
Subject: [LUTE] Re: de Rippe portrait // Lutist portraits

To answer the second part of your question:

Possibly:

Â  Melchior Newsidler 1574
Â  https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-3

Sebastian Ochsenkhun 1588
https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-183

Sixtus Kargel (1540-1600) 
https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-530

Etc. Etc. Just search the Lute Society lute image database.

Best wishes,

David

At 10:22 +0100 31/10/19, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
>Dear Lutists,
>
>
>I just noticed that there is a portrait in "Le CinquiÃ¨me Livre" of the
>1562 Le Roy print of Albert de Rippe's works.
>
>Is this considered an authentic portrait of de Rippe or just generic?
>
>
>Are there any confirmed authentic portraits of 16th c. lutenists?
>
>Links to pics are welcome.
>
>
>
>:)
>T*
>
>
>
>
>
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Here is a 
portrait thought to represent Melchior Newsidler. The Fuggers were MN 
patrons and are said to have commissioned his portrait from a visiting Italian 
painter. The art historians have suggested an artist, but they thought MN 
to be Hans' brother (b. ca. 1505). Hans was his father and Melchior was 
born in 1531, and the dates don't match with the presumed artist.. (More on the 
engraving below.)

The cited engraving comes from the MN lute book publ. by Jobin in 1574 
when MN was in Strasbourg. It is by Tobias Stimmer, one of the leading 
artists of his day and a Jobin in-law--thus undoubtedly painted "from Life" 
He was especially noted for capturing his setters' emotional state. In this 
case, MN comes out as a very stern individual under Stimmer's tools.

https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-3;

-Original Message-

From: David Van Edwards da...@vanedwards.co.uk

To: Tristan von Neumann tristanvonneum...@gmx.de

Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu

Sent: Thu, Oct 31, 2019 7:47 am

Subject: [LUTE] Re: de Rippe portrait // Lutist portraits

To answer the second part of your question:

Possibly:

 Melchior Newsidler 1574

 https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-3; target="_blank" 
rel="nofollow">https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-3

Sebastian Ochsenkhun 1588

https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-183; 
target="_blank" 
rel="nofollow">https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-183

Sixtus Kargel (1540-1600) 

https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-530; 
target="_blank" 
rel="nofollow">https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-530

Etc. Etc. Just search the Lute Society lute image database.

Best wishes,

David

At 10:22 +0100 31/10/19, Tristan von Neumann wrote:

Dear Lutists,

I just noticed that there is a portrait in "Le CinquiÃ¨me 
Livre" of the

1562 Le Roy print of Albert de Rippe's works.

Is this considered an authentic portrait of de Rippe or just 
generic?

Are there any confirmed authentic portraits of 16th c. 
lutenists?

Links to pics are welcome.

:)

T*

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[LUTE] Re: Hender Robarts Book

2019-08-23 Thread Arthur Ness

   Not to be overlooked is Wallace Rave's dissertation, a thorough study
   of the sources,
   "Some Manuscripts of French Lute Music 1630-1700: An Introductory
   Study"
   (Ph.D. diss., U of Illinois, Urbana, 1972). 459 pp.
   Dissertation Express, ProQuest #7310031.
   Alas the Hender Robarts ms was discovered too late for inclusion in the
   dissertation.
   Arthur
   -Original Message-
   From: Edward Martin 
   To: Matthew Daillie 
   Cc: lute net 
   Sent: Fri, Aug 23, 2019 8:32 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Hender Robarts Book
 Dear  Matthew, Martin, and Jean-Marie,
 Thank you for your responses very much.  I have Coelho's book, and I
 looked at the article by Wallace Rave, and it did supply some
 additional information.
 This book, being a major source of the works of Ennemond Gaultier, is
 quite fascinating, as it gives us a glimpse into seeing a book penned
 by a professional lute teacher in the mid 17th century. This teacher
 did not include works of his own - perhaps he did not compose at all.
 Rave provides a comparison in a Courante, comparing the Perrine,
 "Pieces", and Robarts versions and some of the fine details in their
 differences.  "Bourgaise" seems certainly to have been an excellent
 teacher.
 Thanks to all of you!
 ed
 On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 3:08 AM Matthew Daillie
 <[1][1]dail...@club-internet.fr> wrote:
   Dear Ed,
   I suspect that Claude Chauvel and FranÃ Â§ois-Pierre Goy would be
   among the most well-informed experts to contact for further
   information. I shall try to get the contact details for the former
   and send them to you off list (I doubt that he is online).
   In the meantime, there is an article by Wallace Rave in Victor
   Coelho's 'Performance on Lute, Guitar and Vihuela' which has a
   section on performance instructions in the Robarts Lute Book, if
   that is of any interest.
   Best,
   Matthew
   Le 23 aoÃ Â»t 2019 Ã  02:59, Edward Martin
   <[2][2]edvihuel...@gmail.com>
   a Ã Â©crit :
   >Dear Ones,
   >I have owned the Boethius edition of The Robarts Lute Book,
   and
   I am
   >interested in it, as the music contained seems to be of very
   high
   >quality, and the majority of the pieces are by Vieux Gaultier.
   All
   >the music is for 11-course French baroque lute.
   >I am wondering if there have been any papers written about
   this
   book.
   >In the front of the book it states that this MS was discovered
   in a
   >drawer at Lanhydrock House, the Robarts family home in
   Cornwall.It
   >had been in the possession of that locale since it had been
   written out
   >for Hender Bobarts (1635-1685).Apparently, he traveled to
   France in
   >1654 with his brothers and had lute lessons with a certain
   "Bourgaise"
   >on this or subsequent visits.Apparently there are further
   details by
   >Robert Spencer, A Lute Misic Discovery at Lanhydrock, The
   National
   >Trust Year Book 1975-6, pp.88-90.I have not been able to
   find this
   >paper.
   >Written in French, in the prelim., The lute teacher of Hender
   robarts
   >signs himself as Bourgaise, presumably a French spelling of
   the
   Italian
   >Bourghese.Apparently in the Rene Milleran Lute Book, Mr.
   Bourghsaisi
   >is listed among "principaux maitres" for lute at the time, so
   he was
   >perhaps highly regarded.
   >I am wondering, is there any additional research available
   about
   >Robarts and Bourgaise, or Bourgsaisi?
   >Thanks in advance.
   >Edward Martin
   >.
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[LUTE] Re: Belle, qui tiens ma vie

2019-08-15 Thread Arthur Ness

   That didn't work, alas.  Here
   https://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Arbeau,_Thoinot
   In the "complete" facsimile of the original "Belle qui tiens" is on
   folios 30-32v.
   And the link to modern scores follows.
   ajn
   -Original Message-----
   From: Arthur Ness 
   To: pastimesmusic ; harpolekare
   ; lute 
   Sent: Thu, Aug 15, 2019 10:27 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Belle, qui tiens ma vie
 Several scores in imslp:
 [1]https://imslp.org/wiki/OrchÃÃÃ Â©sographie_(Arbeau,_Thoinot)
 ajn
 -Original Message-
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 To: Josef Berger <[3]harpolek...@gmail.com>; lute List

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[LUTE] Re: Belle, qui tiens ma vie

2019-08-15 Thread Arthur Ness

   Several scores in imslp:
   https://imslp.org/wiki/OrchÃÂ©sographie_(Arbeau,_Thoinot)
   ajn
   -Original Message-
   From: RCP 
   To: Josef Berger ; lute List
   
   Sent: Thu, Aug 15, 2019 9:08 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Belle, qui tiens ma vie
 There is a transcription for lute and melody instrument in 'Easy
   Duets
 for Two Lutes of a melody instrument and lute' Anne Bailes ed, Tree
 Editions, M??nchen
 On 8/15/2019 4:16 AM, Josef Berger wrote:
   Perhaps this helps:
   Antonio de Cabez??n (1570) has published a set of variations
   (diferencias) called "La dama le demanda" in his OBRAS DE MUSICA PARA
   TECLA, ARPA Y VIHUELA (1570):
   [1][1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_3ZD_5_Erg
   [2][2]https://imslp.org/wiki/Diferencias_sobre_%27La_Dama_Le_Demanda%27
   _%28Cabez%C3
   %B3n,_Antonio_de%29#IMSLP330520
   Anton H??gler has intavolated this in 2012 see [LUTE] archive,
   2012-01-25
   [3][3]https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg38983.html
   Also the ground of his "Diferencias sobre la pavana italiana" is very
   similar. [4][4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6OjQ5J4kkk
   According to Maurice Esses, a quite similar (but not identical)
   harmonic-metric scheme "is found in a lute piece by Becchi, published
   in Venice in 1568, called Madama mi domanda" (Esses 1992: p.629)
   Maurice Esses (1992): Dance and instrumental diferencias in Spain
   during the 17th and early 18th centuries. Volume I: History and
   background, music and dance. New York: Pendragon Press.
   Den l??r 10 aug. 2019 kl 18:35 skrev Rainer
   [5]<[5]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>:
   This doesn't help you but may be intersting:
   The piece already appears (decades before Arbeau) in the organ
   tablature book of
 Jan  von  Lublin under the title "Zaklolam  sz??a  tharnem" (??).
   It also appears in the so-called "Fitzwilliam Virginal Book" as
   "Corranto." on p
   age 327 set by Byrd.
   This version also appears in the Hirsch Lute Book f. 10v
   and in the Kassel lute book (discussed a few day ago) f. 4r "Courante"
   Rainer
   On 10.08.2019 12:21, J??rg Hilbert wrote:
   Dear all,
   does anybody know any lute version of Belle qui tiens ma vie
    (Thino
   t
   Arbeau)?
   Thanks
   Jrg
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 2.
   [8]https://imslp.org/wiki/Diferencias_sobre_'La_Dama_Le_Demanda'_(Cabez
   ÃÂ³n,_Antonio_de)#IMSLP330520
 3.
   [9]https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg38983.html
 4. [10]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6OjQ5J4kkk
 5. mailto:[11]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de
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   2. https://imslp.org/wiki/Diferencias_sobre_'La_Dama_Le_Demanda'_(CabezÃ
   3. https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg38983.html
   4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6OjQ5J4kkk
   5. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de
   6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_3ZD_5_Erg
   8. https://imslp.org/wiki/Diferencias_sobre_'La_Dama_Le_Demanda'_
   9. https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg38983.html
  10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6OjQ5J4kkk
  11. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de
  12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Original composers of some songs

2019-08-13 Thread Arthur Ness

   You might want to check, especially, pages 301-04 and 329-30 in vol.
   1.  And the concordances and cognates and thematics in vol. 2.
   By the way "On en dira" is not by Sermisy.  The two chansons share the
   same melody, but otherwise the settings do not agree.
   There is a direct concordance with one intabulation B[ernardo] N. in
   Munich 1511d (Sermisy or Le Peletier "Si mon malheure") with the same
   piece in the Marco fascicle.  It is not unusual for a composer to
   include a few works by others (sometimes ones students) in a collected
   "edition" of a prominent composer. Marco's father was named Bernardo,
   but pieces by Sermisy generation composers would seem to modern for a
   person old enough to be Marco's father.  I suggest possible lutenists
   named Bernardo in a footnote 36 of p. 304.  (I seem to have had a
   Newsidler obsession back then.)
   -Original Message-
   From: Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. 
   To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 
   Sent: Mon, Aug 12, 2019 9:17 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Original composers of some songs
   I don't think I am using HTML
   I have a copy of Art's dissertation, and it is searchable.
   I will check what I can glean from there.
   Thanks!
   --Sarge
   > Don't use HTML!
   >
   >
   >> ---
   >>
   >> I am busy working on the next 50 pieces from the Herwarth MS, trying
   to
   >> figure out who composed what.
   >
   > I assume you are talking about 266, right?
   > There are several "Herwarth manuscripts".
   >
   > Anyway, have a look at Arthur's dissertation:
   >
   > The Herwarth Lute Manuscripts at the Bavarian State Library, Munich
   > (Part 1) - A bibliographical study with Emphasis on the Works of
   Marco
   > dall'Aquila and Melchior Newsidler by Arthur J.Ness, February 1984
   > (PhD Dissertation, New York University)
   >
   > The Herwarth Lute Manuscripts at the Bavarian State Library, Munich
   > (Part 2) - A bibliographical study with Emphasis on the Works of
   Marco
   > dall'Aquila and Melchior Newsidler by Arthur J.Ness, February 1984
   > (PhD Dissertation, New York University)
   >
   >
   > It is available at the LSA web pages (possibly to members only) and
   > the text is searchable (probably run through some OCR Software).
   >
   > Rainer
   >
   > PS
   >
   > If you don't have (access to) the dissertation ask me - or Arthur :)
   >
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[LUTE] David Gilmore [guitar] Collection being sold

2019-06-13 Thread Arthur Ness

   Here's the link to the instruments (127 in total).  Some amazing
   estimated sales prices.
   https://www.christies.com/salelanding/index.aspx?intsaleid(021=1
   letitle==all=paging
   AJN

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[LUTE] Re: Klosmann

2019-05-04 Thread Arthur Ness

   Where did you fine the three copies?   How?

   -Original Message-
   From: Rainer 
   To: lute 
   Sent: Sat, May 4, 2019 12:32 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Klosmann
   Dear Arthur,
   Eitner was wrong. At least three part books have survived and are
   on-line.
   It contains Dowland concordances, pieces stolen form Terpsichore and
   other well known music.
   In the table of contents he claims
   "Sequuntur cantiones incertorum autorum, quibus voces intermediae ab
   authore huius operis adiectae sunt."
   Which implies that he at least composed additional voices for some
   pieces.
   Therefore he cannot have been a mere publisher.
   Apart from these additional voices the book does not seem to contain
   any music composed by Klosmann(?).
   Rainer
   On 04.05.2019 17:11, Arthur Ness wrote:
   > The publisher is Caspar Klosman in Leipzig.  An anthology with 100
   dances, fantasias, canzonas, et cetera.  Unique copy (according to
   Robert Eitner: Musik-Sammelwerke [1905?], pp. 269-270) in Liegnitz,
   Ritterakademie.  TENOR partbook only.  Eitner1622b.  I couldn't find it
   in RISM online or in Recueils imprimÃÂ©s (1960).
   >
   > bibliographieder00eitn_0269.jpg
   > bibliographieder00eitn_0270.jpg
   >
   >
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Rainer <[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
   > To: Lute net <[2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   > Sent: Sat, May 4, 2019 4:40 am
   > Subject: [LUTE] Klosmann
   >
   > Dear lute netters,
   >
   > does anybody know anything about Caspar Klosmann and/or his
   "Amoenitatum musicalium hortulus..." published in 1622?
   >
   > There is almost nothing on the Internet and even nothing in Jstor.
   >
   > Rainer
   >
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[LUTE] Re: Klosmann

2019-05-04 Thread Arthur Ness

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The publisher is Caspar Klosman in Leipzig.Â  An anthology with 100 dances, 
fantasias, canzonas, et cetera.Â  Unique copy (according to Robert Eitner: 
Musik-Sammelwerke [1905?], pp. 269-270) in Liegnitz, Ritterakademie.Â  TENOR 
partbook only.Â  Eitner1622b.Â  I couldn't find it in RISM online or in 
Recueils imprimÃ©s (1960).Â 
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From: Rainer 
To: Lute net 
Sent: Sat, May 4, 2019 4:40 am
Subject: [LUTE] Klosmann

Dear lute netters,

does anybody know anything about Caspar Klosmann and/or his "Amoenitatum 
musicalium hortulus..." published in 1622?

There is almost nothing on the Internet and even nothing in Jstor.

Rainer



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The publisher is Caspar Klosman in Leipzig. An anthology with 100 
dances, fantasias, canzonas, et cetera. Unique copy (according to Robert 
Eitner: Musik-Sammelwerke [1905?], pp. 269-270) in Liegnitz, 
Ritterakademie. TENOR partbook only. Eitner1622b. I couldn't 
find it in RISM online or in Recueils imprimÃ©s (1960).





   












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To: Lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sat, May 4, 2019 4:40 am
Subject: [LUTE] Klosmann


Dear lute netters,





does anybody know anything about Caspar Klosmann and/or his 
"Amoenitatum musicalium hortulus..." published in 1622?





There is almost nothing on the Internet and even nothing in 
Jstor.





Rainer











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[LUTE] Re: Albert de Rippe in manuscripts

2019-04-28 Thread Arthur Ness

   There are pieces in the "de Rippe fascicle" of Munich, Mus Ms 266,
   fols. 67-76v.  Also see my dissertation, pp. 203-225 (digital copy chez
   LSA).



   References are to the Complete Works ed. by Vaccaro (CWrippe). I
   suspect the pieces were copied from a now lost Italian print, perhaps
   by Casteliono.  Later someone added references to concordant pieces in
   the Parisian prints. The versions differ in some details, suggesting
   the sort of "editing" de Rippe's student Guillaume Morlaye undertook
   for his edition of his teacher's lute music..



   fol. 67:   CWrippe I, no. 15

   fol. 67v-68: CWrippe I, no. 11

   fol. 67v-68: CWmorlaye, no. 10

   fol. 68-69: CWrippe I, no. 1

   fol. 69v: CWrippe I, no. 10

   fol. 69v: CWrippe I, no. 9

   fol. 71: "D'amour me plains"

   fol. 72v-73: [sketches by HHH??]



   This fascicle was probably copied in Memmingen ca. 1563 by Hans
   Heinrich Herwarth.  He and his family fled there when the plague
   visited Augsburg.  His wife died there during childbirth.  The papers
   have a Memmingen watermark resembling a worm according to Briquet, but
   really representing "mmm" in Memmingen.



   Siena Lute Book

   fol. 10v: see FdaM edition, Appendix 24 (Francesco da Parigi) = CWrippe
   I, fols. 6v-8.

   -Original Message-
   From: Tristan von Neumann 
   To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 
   Sent: Sun, Apr 28, 2019 9:45 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Albert de Rippe in manuscripts
   "Dear Collective Wisdom" (I like that!)
   Besides the Marsh lute book, are there any manuscripts containing
   fantasies by Albert de Rippe?
   :)
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[LUTE] Re: GB Lbl ms 16889

2019-04-19 Thread Arthur Ness

   You're making me hungry.  An alternate title for "Cordon Bleu" is "La
   moutarde nouvelle."  When you check Steur, go to concordance Nr, 1466
   (Conc_1466) which lists four sources. PL-Kj mus ms 40626, f. 17v-18 for
   guitar is available from the LSA Facsimile Collection (titled "La
   moutarde").  LSA also has Balcarre's Lute Book, p. 125, and GB-Lbm
   16889 (Lbm Botnia), fol. 99r.  At LSA I can't find B-Gu 3898-2 (f. 18v)
   at Gent Uni.  --AJN
   -Original Message-
   From: Matthew Daillie 
   To: lute net 
   Sent: Thu, Apr 18, 2019 4:27 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: GB Lbl ms 16889
   Hi Ed,
   I don't know if this helps but Peter Steur and Markus Lutz provide the
   incipit. Maybe you could contact them to see if they have a copy.
   [1]https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=GB-LbmBotnia=e
   ng=all=20
   The MANUSCRIPT SOURCES IN TABLATURE site gives the following
   concordance of this piece in the Jagiellonian Library:
   Cordon bleu [ou La nouvelle Moutarde]
   PL-Kj Mus. ms. 40626, f. 17v-18
   Best,
   Matthew
   Le 18 avr. 2019 Ã  00:15, Edward Martin <[2]edvihuel...@gmail.com> a
   ÃÂ©crit :
   >  Dear Ones,
   >  I am in search of a particular piece in a particular source.  I
   would
   >  like to s  "Cordon Bleu" which appears on f.  99r.
   >  I cannot seem to find this on line.  Can anyone provide it to me?
   >  Thanks!
   >  Ed
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[LUTE] Re: Angelo Michel Bartolomi

2019-03-24 Thread Arthur Ness

   The name is misspelled after he settled in Paris.

   Angelo Michele Bartolotti (Bologna 1615-Paris 1682)

   Angiolo Michele Bartolomi (ca. 1615-ca. 1680).



   Most dictionaries accept the dual spelling including the Library of
   Congress name authority files as well as

   NewGrove, MGG, Dizionario Enciclopedia Universale,

   Deutsche National Bibliothek,
   [1]https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?method=simpleSearch=true
   y=nid%3D10400



   Also works in Northamptonshire Record Office (GB-NH FH3431).  Cited by
   Yuval.



   For an extended list of works see SMT
   [2]https://w1.bnu.fr/smt/index.htm



   He also published three books of guitar music in addition to the
   treatise on playing basso continuo on theorbo (Paris 1669).  Our Monica
   Hall has written about him in LSJ 47 (2007): 81-97.

   -Original Message-
   From: Mathias RÃÂ¶sel 
   To: lutelist Net 
   Sent: Sun, Mar 24, 2019 10:52 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Angelo Michel Bartolomi
   A-ETgoÃÂ«ssTh contains more of Bartolotti:
   18v-19 Gigue
   38 Courante
   38v39 Allemande
   39 Sarabande
   45-46 Fuga
   54v Sarabande
   Mathias
   -UrsprÃÂ¼ngliche Nachricht-
   Von: [3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]
   Im Auftrag von [5]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de
   Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. MÃÂ¤rz 2019 14:53
   An: Roland Hayes
   Cc: Lute List; [6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Angelo Michel Bartolomi
   No, sorry :-( I just know that it exists, from Meyer (2006):
   NORTHAMPTON, Northamptonshire Record Office (GB-NH)
   FH 3431.c
   [2] f. 150 x 115 mm. Origine franÃÂ§aise ou anglaise. Vers 1660-1680.
   Une
   main. ThÃÂ©orbe Ã  quatorze choeurs (onze
   choeurs utilisÃÂ©s) (A d g h e a). Notation franÃÂ§aise.
   1 Courante
   2 Gigue [t. 1-8] [A. M. Bartolotti]
   A-ETgoess Ms. ThÃÂ©orbe, f. 45v-46.
   RISM B VII non signalÃÂ©
   FranÃÂ§ois-Pierre GOY.
   As far as I know the librarys in GB charge quite a lot for
   digitalisation, and I'm not sure if it's worth it, for one piece + 8
   bars, 2 pages all in all ;-) But if you get your hands on it I'd be
   very interested in it too!
   Am 24.03.2019 14:46 schrieb Roland Hayes:
   > Thank you.  Steur shows it but without a link. Do you know its
   location
   >or how to see it? Thank you again. r
   >Get [1]Outlook for Android
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   >From: [7]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[8]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   on
   > behalf
   >of [9]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de <[10]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de>
   >Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 9:39:10 AM
   >To: Roland Hayes
   >Cc: Lute List; [11]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   >Subject: [LUTE] Re: Angelo Michel Bartolomi
   >
   >There are two more pieces for theorbo in GB-NH Fh 3431.c, as far
   as
   > I
   >know.
   >Am 24.03.2019 14:19 schrieb Roland Hayes:
   >> Aside from Goess theorbo ms and Vienna 17706, does anyone know
   of
   >more
   >>theorbo pieces by this virtuoso, including any modern
   editions?
   >> Thanks
   >>in advance. r
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[LUTE] Re: Rust - transcriptions of 21 and 53, I and II

2019-03-17 Thread Arthur Ness

   Dear Alain,
   A copy of a 1980 edition of the lute and viola sonata* arrived on
   Friday.  I can't get on to your site to compare it today.  I could
   yesterday.  (". . . projects/view/5")  P.S. have your message will
   re-connect.
   The ms copy** is unusual. It seems to be a kind of pointillistic
   transcription from tablature.  The notes that would sustain are often
   transcribed as short notes.  I think you extended them also, e.g., meas
   35-40, 64-66, 77-79 bass has long notes (quarters or half notes) in my
   print, but the ms has 16ths for the bass notes..
   I need to get back to Sciurus about whom you asked.  He's in the
   related manuscript 40151 (vol. 1) to 40150 (vol. 2).  Both purchased in
   1897 by Wilhelm Tappert from Antiquarian Liste in Leipzig, where
   grandson Rust held forth as Thomas-Kantor.
   --Arthur Ness
   *Friedrich Wilhelm Rust, **Sonata fÃÂ¼r Viola und Klavier nach dem
   Autograph (!) erstmalig herausgegeben von Wolfgang Sawodhy.**
   (MÃÂ¼nchen: Verlag Walter Wollenweber, 1980). pp. 7 (score) + 3 (viola).
   ** https://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/werkansicht?PPN=PPN882226
   452=PHYS_0002=DMDLOG_0001=overview-toc
   -Original Message-
   From: Alain Veylit 
   Cc: Lute List 
   Sent: Sun, Mar 17, 2019 1:05 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Rust - transcriptions of 21 and 53, I and II
 Thanks for the suggestions, Martyn.
 Actually, I was wondering about the Johann Ludwig Krebs concerto in C
 for B. lute and strings. The score is widely available on the Net -
 here on scribd:

   [1][1]https://www.scribd.com/document/371003432/Krebs-Johann-Ludwig-C-D
   ur-
 Krebs-WV-202 - or straight from the Berlin Staatsbibliothek:
 [2][2]http://resolver.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/SBB00021159
 Anybody knows anything about this concerto? It seems to be the one
   and
 only lute piece in Krebs' production, and it is rather ambitious from
 an orchestral point of view: lute, 2 violins, viola and cello. I did
 not find a trace of a recording of it - Krebs was held in high regard
 by J.S. Bach and it s always odd to find the odd lute piece in a
 composer's output... The lute part is in tablature, so it should be
 less of a challenge than Rust from a transcription point of view. I
 found a modern edition of it, which has all the parts ... except for
 the lute!
 Happy Sunday,
 Alain
 On 3/17/19 2:53 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
 You may consider transcribing some of Haydn's wonderful keyboard
   works
 or violin and keyboard or piano trios - careful selection will throw
   up
 works  similarly accommoating to the the late lute as the Rust
   pieces..
 And, of course, some of the Baryton trios can work well with lute in
 place of the Baryton...
 Might also use the late eighteenth century fashionable
 gallichon/mandora too - instead of the 13 course Dm lute...
 MH
 On Saturday, 16 March 2019, 21:16:39 GMT, Alain Veylit
 [3]<[3]al...@musickshandmade.com> wrote:
 Those of you interested in late 18th century Baroque lute +
 violin/viola
 may be interested in transcriptions of Rust sonatas I made that are
   now
 available for viewing:
 I. Sonata in C Major for lute and viola (Rust 21). I worked with
 Jean-Daniel Forget to see if we could get a playable tablature
   version
 of the lute part. The original MS is in grand-staff notation. I am
 interested in performers' feedback, particularly because of arpeggios
 on
 diapasons. Jean-Daniel thinks it is very feasible, I am still a bit
 uneasy with those. I don't think there is another tablature
 transcription of that sonata  but perhaps there is ...
 The link to that is:
 [4][4]http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/projects/view/5
 . You will need a login to view that project. It is free and it can
   put
 you on the world map of lutenists, which is a fun little app.
 II. and III. I provided transcriptions, also in collaboration with
 Jean-Daniel, of the sonatas I (G) and II (Dm) for lute and violin
   based
 on the violin parts from the Berlin Staatsbibliothek and the
   tablature
 part from the Krakow 40150 MS.
 The link to those is:
 [5]http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/projects/view/7.
 Finally, I am currently still working on a transcription of the H-dur
 sonata -- that is a headache... The lute part is also in grand-staff
 notation and not at all obvious due to various problems. It is one of
 the "revised and improved" Rust sonatas... I found only one edition
   of
 that H-Dur sonata ... adapted for modern guitar. Sad, no?
 There is a comments field where you can leave your impressions,
 corrections, etc. if you chose to do so.
 Alain
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[LUTE] Re: F.W.Rust

2019-02-15 Thread Arthur Ness

Sorry for the delayed response. Alain was particularly interested in
the sonata for viola and lute.

[1]https://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/werkansicht?PPN=PPN882226
452=PHYS_0001==overview-toc

There is a modern edition from ca. 1930 and I expect to have a copy
before too long. I can share it. As for the manuscript, the viola
part is written in the alto clef. The mark on the left like a "3"
marks off middle c. Thus the first notes are G above middle C, and in
meas. 12 the parts are exchanged and the lute has the G melody.

I'll get back to Mr. Sciurus and Friedrich Wilhelm Rust.

--AJ N

-Original Message-
From: Alain Veylit
To: Lute List
Sent: Wed, Feb 13, 2019 1:07 pm
Subject: [LUTE] Re: F.W.Rust
A belated thanks to Arthur for his information on F.W. Rust. I
foolishly
attempted a transcription of the C Major sonata for lute and viola in
notation (see
[2]https://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/werkansicht?PPN=PPN882226
452=PHYS_0001=).
It is quite challenging for a number of reasons: handwriting, notation
shortcuts, unclear harmonies etc. Reconstituting the lute part is
tricky. It looks to me that the bass clef has to be understood as being
one octave down from what one might expect. Without that transposition,
none of the lute's diapasons would be used... Transposing means some
tricky arpeggios for the thumb all on diapasons. (see the first staff
on
the facsimile)
Any advice on this issue? I strongly lean towards transposition, even
though it does not resolve all the problems...
Alain
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[LUTE] Re: Rust

2019-01-17 Thread Arthur Ness

   Here's the sonata with viola d'alto.  Perhaps you've seen  it already.
   [1]http://resolver.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/SBB0001F7EC
   There are other pieces by Rust that use viola d'amore.  There's a
   dissertation on Rust that includes a works list.  By Rudolf Czach.
   1927.
   []^[DEL: :DEL]
   Rebecca Hunt, the music librarian at the Boston Public Library sent the
   following:
   RH: "It turns out there are four sonatas for piano or lute with violin
   by Wilhelm Rust in the collection:
1. Sonate, Erste (G-dur) fur Pianoforte order Laute mit Violine
2. Sonate, Zweite (D-moll) fur Pianoforte order Laute mit Violine
3. Sonate, Dritte (C-dur) fur Pianoforte order Laute mit Violine
4. Sonate, Vierte (B-dur) fur Pianoforte order Laute mit Violine"

   RH: "Unfortunately, these items are currently inaccessible while staff
   prepare collections that will be impacted by upcoming renovation to
   Special Collections spaces at the Central Library, which includes
   Music material. Please feel free to check back in with us later
   next year and I'll be happy to update you on progress."

   AJN: These are the edition published in Hamburg by Hugo Pohl in 1892
   (if I remember correctly). Rather elegantly done.  There was also a
   song with lute accompaniment.  When I was in Germany I tried several
   times to obtain a copy on ILL, and was unsuccessful.  I started to
   believe the reference might have been to a lost 1792 edition (which
   would fit nicely with Rust's activity in Dessau.)  Imagine my delight
   when I discovered the edition in the BPL.  It must be the sole
   surviving copy.  And now it's inaccessible.  I wonder how it
   compares with the print used by Andi from Bremen.
   I've seen the score for the clavicordio sonata with imitation of
   timpani, etc., but don't remember where or when. It certainly looked
   like 20th-century  music.  I'll get to Sciurus shortly.  It's a common
   pseudonym used for scolars with the family name Eichhorn.  I noted a
   professor at the U. of KÃÂ¶nigsberg who used it.
   Arthur.
   -Original Message-
   From: Alain Veylit 
   To: Arthur Ness ; lute.corner
   ; lute 
   Sent: Fri, Jan 4, 2019 9:43 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Rust
 Thanks Arthur,
 I am very curious about Mr Scurius / Squirrel: how does he fit in the
 story? The idea behind the Wilhem Rust "deception" was to make
 Friedrich Rust appear to be the missing link between Mozart and
 Beethoven, which lute music would not necessarily or obviously
   support
 ... Rust also committed a Sonata per il Clavicordio all imitazione de
 Timpani del Salterio e del Liuto that sounds intriguing. His
 compositions for tangent piano, nail violin and in imitation of the
 salterio don't seem particularly romantic to me - may be closer to
 mid-20th century post-modern experiments integrating type-writers and
 car horns...
 Was he the last renowned composer to compose sonatas for the lute ?
 On 1/4/19 4:50 PM, Arthur Ness wrote:
 Hi, Alain and Andi,
 This is involved.  It even goes back to Bach in the case of both
 like-named father and grandson.  I found several references to an
 edition of three or four Rust sonatas for lute and violin, publ.
   1892.
 I sent ILL's galore when I was in Germany.  ILL service is super in
 Germany, but I got no results.  No one had such a print.  Perhaps a
 mistaken date.  1798 would fit perfectly for the father.  So, could
   it
 be a lost print from 1798?  I also examined the manuscripts in Berlin
 and noticed some blue crayon editorial marks.  And recall the sonata
 with viola. Can't recall if it was printed.  The print also had a
   song
 with lute accompaniment, and a note (I think) that it was sung when
   the
 patrons went gondola rowing around the palace.
 D'Indy was the guy who spilled the beans.  "Der Fall Rust" was the
 modest title of the article.  (Sounds so well with English word
 Fall)  Of yes, a lutenist named Sciurius (Mr. Squirell) was also
 involved.  His manuscript is in Berlin also (cover: C. A. A. Pr d'A /
 1740).
 Later, Alain and Andi  --Arthur.
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[LUTE] Re: Milan et Saint-Saëns

2019-01-07 Thread Arthur Ness

   Heavens!!!
   Now, who was the other guy (ca. 1900, French as I recall) who arranged
   lute music for concert grand piano?  It looked like Liszt on the open
   page.
   PruniÃÂ¨res comes to mind, but I think it was someone else.
   Saint-Saens looks more restrained in comparison.
   Arthur
   -Original Message-
   From: Rainer 
   To: Lute net 
   Sent: Mon, Jan 7, 2019 7:21 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Milan et Saint-SaÃÂ«ns
   For details see:
   Camille Saint-SaÃÂ«ns, 1835-1921: A Thematic Catalogue of His Complete
   Works, page 480
   Available in Google Books.
   Rainer
   On 07.01.2019 10:38, David van Ooijen wrote:
   >Thanks, that's very interesting!
   >David
   >***
   >David van Ooijen
   >[1][1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
   >[2]www.davidvanooijen.nl
   >***
   >
   >On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 10:33, Rainer
   <[3][2]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
   >wrote:
   >
   >  2 fantaisies ÃÃÃ Â©crites pour le luth (viruela) / par D. Luis
   Milan de
   >  Valence, compositeur espagnol du XVIe siÃÃÃ Â¨cle ; transcrites
   pour le
   >  piano par C. Saint-SaÃÃÃ Â«ns
   >  [4][3]https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k1174900p
   >  Rainer
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   >3. mailto:[7]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de
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[LUTE] Rust Viola & lute Sonata

2019-01-07 Thread Arthur Ness

   He's a digital copy (grandson scribe???).
   https://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/werkansicht?PPN=PPN882226452
   =PHYS_0001=

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[LUTE] Re: Rust

2019-01-05 Thread Arthur Ness

   Dear Alain and Andi,

   I'll get back to this topic in due course. It has been so may years
   ago, that I have to find and resurrect my notes.  I'll get around to
   Mr. Sciurus at that time.

   Friedrich Wilhelm Rust's grandson, Thomaskantor Wilhelm Rust (d. 1892),
   was indeed involved with spurious versions of his works, mainly piano
   sonatasÃ¢Ã¢Ã¢from what I can tell.  According to the grandson, "Here the
   fancy, now free, now severe, takes its flight and reaches heights never
   touched before, [as] . . . the poetic ideas in their profound
   pregnancy, burst forth under the influence of egregious events in the
   life of the composer."

   When the controversy was raised around 1914 d'Indy published the elder
   musician's sonatas, rather modest pieces in scope.  One might say the
   reworkings demonstrate a "missing link" between Haydn and, not
   Beethoven, but Liszt (!!!).  The originals are best suited for a novice
   player with little experience, other than a few lessons with, say, J.
   S. Bach (!!!).  Wilhelm probably little knew how close his grandfather
   was to old Bach.  He, himself was very close in his own way, since he
   was a major editor in the Bach Gesellschaft Ausgabe, and edited a
   whopping 26 volumes.

   You are doubtlessly correct when you suggest that lute pieces would
   hardly be appropriate for such "improvement."  That was the problem I
   faced when I first became involved with the Rust sonatas.  There were
   many references to the godson's edition, supposedly published in
   Hamburg: H. Pohle/Bremen: Schweers & Haake, 1892.  German ILL services
   are excellent, but I never found a copy.  I could only concluded that
   the references might refer to a lost print.   Little did I know.  When
   I returned home I found a copy in the Boston Public Library!  But I
   haven't compared its readings with other sources, although that appears
   to be what Andi has doneÃ¢and more!
   There were several other prominent lutenists still active at the time.
   All were gone by 1815: J. A. F. Weiss (a son of SLW), Johann Reichardt
   (d. 1815) and Christian Gottlieb  Scheidler (d. 1814).
   Arthur
   []^[DEL: :DEL]
   []^[DEL: :DEL]
   -Original Message-----
   From: Alain Veylit 
   To: Arthur Ness ; lute.corner
   ; lute 
   Sent: Fri, Jan 4, 2019 9:43 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Rust
 Thanks Arthur,
 I am very curious about Mr Scurius / Squirrel: how does he fit in the
 story? The idea behind the Wilhem Rust "deception" was to make
 Friedrich Rust appear to be the missing link between Mozart and
 Beethoven, which lute music would not necessarily or obviously
   support
 ... Rust also committed a Sonata per il Clavicordio all imitazione de
 Timpani del Salterio e del Liuto that sounds intriguing. His
 compositions for tangent piano, nail violin and in imitation of the
 salterio don't seem particularly romantic to me - may be closer to
 mid-20th century post-modern experiments integrating type-writers and
 car horns...
 Was he the last renowned composer to compose sonatas for the lute ?
 On 1/4/19 4:50 PM, Arthur Ness wrote:
 Hi, Alain and Andi,
 This is involved.  It even goes back to Bach in the case of both
 like-named father and grandson.  I found several references to an
 edition of three or four Rust sonatas for lute and violin, publ.
   1892.
 I sent ILL's galore when I was in Germany.  ILL service is super in
 Germany, but I got no results.  No one had such a print.  Perhaps a
 mistaken date.  1798 would fit perfectly for the father.  So, could
   it
 be a lost print from 1798?  I also examined the manuscripts in Berlin
 and noticed some blue crayon editorial marks.  And recall the sonata
 with viola. Can't recall if it was printed.  The print also had a
   song
 with lute accompaniment, and a note (I think) that it was sung when
   the
 patrons went gondola rowing around the palace.
 D'Indy was the guy who spilled the beans.  "Der Fall Rust" was the
 modest title of the article.  (Sounds so well with English word
 Fall)  Of yes, a lutenist named Sciurius (Mr. Squirell) was also
 involved.  His manuscript is in Berlin also (cover: C. A. A. Pr d'A /
 1740).
 Later, Alain and Andi  --Arthur.
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[LUTE] Rust

2019-01-04 Thread Arthur Ness

   Hi, Alain and Andi,
   This is involved.  It even goes back to Bach in the case of both
   like-named father and grandson.  I found several references to an
   edition of three or four Rust sonatas for lute and violin, publ. 1892.
   I sent ILL's galore when I was in Germany.  ILL service is super in
   Germany, but I got no results.  No one had such a print.  Perhaps a
   mistaken date.  1798 would fit perfectly for the father.  So, could it
   be a lost print from 1798?  I also examined the manuscripts in Berlin
   and noticed some blue crayon editorial marks.  And recall the sonata
   with viola. Can't recall if it was printed.  The print also had a song
   with lute accompaniment, and a note (I think) that it was sung when the
   patrons went gondola rowing around the palace.
   []^[DEL: :DEL]
   D'Indy was the guy who spilled the beans.  "Der Fall Rust" was the
   modest title of the article.  (Sounds so well with English word
   Fall)  Of yes, a lutenist named Sciurius (Mr. Squirell) was also
   involved.  His manuscript is in Berlin also (cover: C. A. A. Pr d'A /
   1740).
   Later, Alain and Andi  --Arthur.

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[LUTE] Re: stump?

2018-12-23 Thread Arthur Ness

   The stump was according to Playford invented by a Daniel Farrant.  It
   was also known as an English theorbo.
   He  is said to have invented the Poliphant, a wire-strung lute-type
   instrument.
   -Original Message-
   From: Martyn Hodgson 
   To: LuteNet list ; Alain Veylit
   
   Sent: Sat, Dec 22, 2018 4:09 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: stump?
   An Alman written for the lute by Robert Johnson set for the stump (a
   sort of theorboed lute) by FP.
   
   On Fri, 21/12/18, Alain Veylit <[1]al...@musickshandmade.com> wrote:
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: stump?
   To: "LuteNet list" <[2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Date: Friday, 21 December, 2018, 17:43
   Ã¢Alman R. Johnson to the stump by F.P.':
   odd to mention the instrument maker's name... Not that they
   don't deserve it, but it was not common practice. Could
   "F.P." be Francis Pilkington and the stump a type of music
   piece, maybe a ground?
   On 12/21/18 4:32 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote:
   > I'd like to see that Johnson
   work. Sounds perfect (almost) for an archlute.
   >
   > On Dec 19, 2018, at 5:22 AM,
   Rainer <[3]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
   wrote:
   >
   >> New Grove:
   >>
   >> An English plucked instrument
   of the early 17th century. It is known only by name and by
   one surviving piece of music (GB-Och Mus.532), headed
   Ã¢Alman R. Johnson to the stump by F.P.' (ed. A.
   Sundermann, Robert Johnson: Complete Works for Solo Lute,
   London, 1972). This is written in six-line French tablature
   and shows that the stump had seven fingered string courses
   tuned like a Renaissance lute, with eight extra bass
   diapasons.
   >>
   >> Rainer
   >>
   >> On 18.12.2018 21:03, Leonard
   Williams wrote:
   >>>
 I saw in an older Lute News supplement that Pilkington
   (possibly)
   >>> composed a
   piece for the stump.  Can anyone enlighten me about
   what
   >>> sort of
   instrument that was?
   >>> Thanks, and
   best regards for the Holiday Season!
   >>> Leonard
   Williams
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   > Saitama, Japan
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[LUTE] Re: Dont vient cela

2018-08-04 Thread Arthur Ness

   There's also HN's "Wascha mesa" (passamezzo) that turns up in a modern
   guitar book as "The Washerwoman's Dance."

   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net

   -Original Message-
   From: Tristan von Neumann 
   To: lutelist Net 
   Sent: Fri, Aug 3, 2018 8:05 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Dont vient cela
   This happens when a German who can't understand French hears the title
   and writes it down.
   If pronounced German style, it would sound like "Dou vÃÂ¨n tselÃ " :)
   Am 04.08.2018 um 00:10 schrieb Alain Veylit:
   > Among the various spellings of the famous "Dont vient cela" tune I
   found
   > : "Du Wentzela Ein Welscher Tanz" in Neusiedler. Certainly one of the
   > most exotic spellings so far. I guess he used a very early version of
   > Google translate.
   >
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[LUTE] Re: Perino Fiorentino

2018-07-14 Thread Arthur Ness

   You're in luck, Tristan.  Richard Falkenstein, the recently retired
   editor of JLSA, has an excellent  SUNY/Buffalo master's thesis on
   Pierino* Fiorentino, Francesco's well known student and disciple.  Most
   of it (except for Rick's complete edition of his works) appears also in
   JLSA 34 (2001): 37-100.  He lists the complete sources and modern
   editions. Also see Rick's "Perino Fiorentino and the Dentices: A
   Poliical Fantasy and the Siena Lute Book," JLSA 44 (2011): 1-46.
   *The spelling stems from a typo on the titlepage of the 1566 Dorico
   print (recte 1546: M. D. XLVI, not M. D. LXVI). Later "Pierino" is also
   used.  See Rick's footnote 1 (page 37).  His gravestone also reads
   "Pierino."  Rick had access to the unique Dorico print, edited by
   Pierino himself.
   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net
   -Original Message-
   From: Tristan von Neumann 
   To: lutelist Net 
   Sent: Sat, Jul 14, 2018 1:37 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Perino Fiorentino
   Dear Lutists,
   whenever I (at least try to) play Perino, it's such a magical
   experience. I really like this guy.
   Is there any source I may have overlooked, apart from the Francesco
   collection and the Siena Lute Book?
   Thanks:)
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[LUTE] Re: A little known manuscript

2018-05-27 Thread Arthur Ness

   Is the volume still in Wroclow University? Also another organ tablature
   60418 Muz (very hard to read). Or just the microfilm?  Music (and
   other?) manuscripts from the University of Frankfurt/Oder were
   transferred to Breslau U.,** and then something happened.  They were
   lost  There was a Bach connection, if I recall correctly.  I tried
   hard to find out what happened, but finally simply gave up.
   **See
   http://www.bibliotekacyfrowa.pl/dlibra/publication/84163/edition/89584
   Joh. Gottrfied Conradi was active there as lutenist (publ. 1622).  Was
   he an opera composer? Also in Hamburg and later Sweden? Nope.  That was
   Joh. Georg Conradi.
   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net
   -Original Message-
   From: Joachim LÃÂ¼dtke <jo.lued...@t-online.de>
   To: lute <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Sun, May 27, 2018 4:41 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: A little known manuscript
   Dear Rainer,
   I didn't know this keyboard book Ã¢ thank you for your mail and the
   link. What a pity that they scanned an old microfilm and not the
   original. I seems a pretty ms.!
   Best wishes,
   Joachim
   -Original-Nachricht-
   Betreff: [LUTE] A little known manuscript
   Datum: 2018-05-25T17:07:52+0200
   Von: "Rainer" <rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
   An: "Lute net" <[1]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Dear lute netters,
   John Robinson told me about a manuscript With new German organ
   tablature:
   [2]http://www.bibliotekacyfrowa.pl/dlibra/doccontent?id=18797
   I have not found anything about it in JSTOR or Oxford Journals. Nothing
   on Google except an article about a different MS that mentions the
   name.
   The MS seems to contain a few concordances for well known pieces for
   lute. The very first piece is "Paduan Lachrime", There is a Durette and
   Phillips' famous pavan(?).
   The second piece is "Galliarda Gregorii" (Huwet?).
   On the other hand there are several pieces by Andreas Hammerschmidt who
   was born in 1611 or 1612 and hence belongs to a generation 50 years
   after Dowland.
   Piece 116 is "Aria Langsam" Langsam is German "slowly". This is
   remarkable - since it is in German.
   Piece 115 has the title "Balletta geschwindt" - geschwind = fast.
   On folio 26 appears "Largo".
   Last page: Perhaps the MS was called 40935 before the war.
   Apparently it once belonged to Robert Weigelt in Breslau, possibly the
   painter and photographer (1815-1879).
   This seems to be an interesting manuscript.
   Does anybody know anything about it?
   Could somebody who can read new German organ tablature fluently check
   the pieces I have mentioned above against possible lute concordances?
   Best wishes,
   Rainer
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[LUTE] Re: Johann Kropfgans

2018-05-15 Thread Arthur Ness

   Hi Stephen,

   You got it ! ! !

   

   12 Trios lute, violin Ã¢cello in B-Br Ms II 4088.  Also the Pichler
   piece in Ms II 4087 (viii) according to Tim Crawford.

   Meyer, Christian. "Les Manuscrits De Luth Du Fonds FÃÂ©tis (Bruxelles,
   BibliothÃÂ¨que Royale Albert Ier, Mss II 4086-4089)." Revue Belge De
   Musicologie / Belgisch Tijdschrift Voor Muziekwetenschap, vol. 50,
   1996, pp. 197Ã¢216. JSTOR, JSTOR, [1]www.jstor.org/stable/3687046.

   Also listed with complete titles in Boetticher's RISM VII inventory,
   pp. 62-4. These were from the FÃÂ©tis collection and may have been
   acquired from the Breitkopf auction of 1832 (can't find my notes). The
   catalogue is extremely rare, but is about 1 Â½ inches thick.***
   Breitkopf decided to empty their warehouse of outmoded music.  What a
   treasure!!  Unique copies of some of the Bach lute pieces were among
   the offering.

   Stephan Olbertz, "An Unknown Lute Piece in a Keyboard Manuscript with
   Works by Wilhelm Friedemann Bach," JLSA 44 (2012): 1-22.

   ***Copy in the University Library, Amsterdam (NO Longer in the
   Amsterdam public library).
   Enjoy, Roland!



Arthur Ness

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   -Original Message-
   From: Stephan Olbertz <stephan.olbe...@web.de>
   To: 'Lute Net' <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Tue, May 15, 2018 4:24 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Johann Kropfgans
   Think of the galant lute trio like a piano trio... You get the idea ;-)
   Best
   Stephan
   -UrsprÃÂ¼ngliche Nachricht-
   Von: lute-[2]a...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[3]mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]
   Im Auftrag von Stewart McCoy
   Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Mai 2018 21:05
   An: Lute Net
   Betreff: [LUTE] Johann Kropfgans
   Dear Roland,
   IÃÂ¢Ã¢Â¬Ã¢Â¢m afraid I donÃÂ¢Ã¢Â¬Ã¢Â¢t know about these trios by Johann
   Kropfgans, but I
   would very much like to know more about them. I see from a quick search
   on the internet that Kropfgans wrote chamber music for the lute, violin
   and cello, including one in C minor, but I see no evidence of lute
   trios. It is possible that Lutz Kirchhof made his own lute trio
   arrangements from those chamber music pieces, but IÃÂ¢Ã¢Â¬Ã¢Â¢m only
   guessing.
   Hopefully youÃÂ¢Ã¢Â¬Ã¢Â¢ll be able to find out more.
   Best wishes,
   Stewart.
   From: [1]Roland Hayes
   Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 7:10 PM
   To: [2]Wayne ; [3]Stewart McCoy
   Cc: [4]lute net
   Subject: Johann Kropfgans
   He wrote 32 lute trios? What are the sources? I just heard one in c
   minor w/ Lutz Kerchoff. Outstanding!! r
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   4. mailto:rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org?
   5. mailto:wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu?
   6. mailto:lu...@tiscali.co.uk?
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[LUTE] Re: Left thumb on the sixth.

2018-04-26 Thread Arthur Ness

   The Como Francesco portrait and the engraving in the Marcolini 1536
   print also show the thumb poised over the 6th course.  Likewise the
   title page of Hans Judenkoenig's tablatgure of 1523.   And many more as
   Ron remarkeed.   And musicians are often very fussy if they are
   depicted in a faulty playing position, or with an outmoded instrument.

   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net
   -Original Message-
   From: anotherdamn6c <lutesm...@gmail.com>
   To: lute <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Thu, Apr 26, 2018 3:35 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Left thumb on the sixth.
   Thanks, Jean-Marie and Ron. I'll check those images when I get home.
   I'm just trying to figure out which chords or notes that facilitates.
   Sean
   On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 12:18 PM Jean-Marie Poirier
   <[1][1]jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
   Have a look there :
   [1][2][2]http://le.luth.free.fr/pouce/index.html
   Best,
   Jean-Marie
   Le 26 avr. 2018 Ã 20:47, Ron Andrico
   <[2][3][3]praelu...@hotmail.com> a
   Ã Â©crit :
   Using the thumb to fret the sixth course was absolutely an
   element of
   16th century lute playing, based on iconography and a few
   mentions in
   historical sources that escape me at the moment. The
   20th-21st
   century
   revivalist prejudice against this technique is and has been
   advanced
   by
   lutenists who start out as classical guitarists. Full stop.
   I
   seldom
   use the technique on the lute, mostly because the neck of my
   72cm
   six-course is a bit clubby. But I do use the technique on
   guitar.
   It
   was good enough for Reverend Gary Davis, and it's good enough
   for me.
   RA
   __
   From: [3][4]lute-[4]a...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   <[4][5]lute-[5]a...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
   behalf
   of anotherdamn6c <[5][6][6]lutesm...@gmail.com>
   Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 5:41 PM
   To: lute
   Subject: [LUTE] Left thumb on the sixth.
   Hi all,
   I've always wondered: under what circumstances was the thumb
   around
   the
   neck to stop the 6th course thought to be an advantage? We
   see its
   use
   sporadically in the 16th century in occasional iconography
   but I
   gather
   it is not (and was not) recommended. Personally I can't do
   it and
   still
   have any facility on other courses--and it's painful. But I
   see it
   in
   contemporary guitar playing so it seems to work for some.
   Shot in the dark: Were they tuning the 6th course down a
   step and
   this
   trick gave them the 6th at nominal pitch?
   Sean
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   3. [22]mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com
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   2. http://le.luth.free.fr/pouce/index.html
   3. mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com
   4. mailto:a...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   5. mailto:a...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   6. mailto:lutesm...@gmail.com
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   8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/
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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

2018-03-15 Thread Arthur Ness

   Dear Silvia,

   I cannot find any references to your thesis.  Is it finished?  For the
   doctorate or masters? Could you provide a title and bibliographical
   information?  Many thanks.

   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net

   -Original Message-
   From: Silvia Amato <amato.sil...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   To: Matthew Daillie <dail...@club-internet.fr>
   Cc: Ron Andrico <praelu...@hotmail.com>; LS LUTELIST
   <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Thu, Mar 15, 2018 7:53 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
   Actually we do have some of them and this is one of the topics that I
   have dealt with in my thesis (modern and contemporary Lute music), it's
   a very interesting research that goes on, looking for new aspects still
   to be dealt with
   Best regards to all
   Silvia
   Inviato da iPhone
   > Il giorno 15 mar 2018, alle ore 12:13, Matthew Daillie
   <dail...@club-internet.fr> ha scritto:
   >
   >> On 15/03/2018 01:45, Ron Andrico wrote:
   >> I don't usually bother to respond to your sniping noises,
   >>
   >> There is no stature to be gained by treating the work of others with
   >> disdain while claiming a morally superior position
   >
   > Goodness Ron , those are comments that could definitely have granted
   you a valuable source of introspection. The art of projection never
   ceases to amaze me.
   >
   > Gilbert Isbin's email was quite belligerent in its questioning. My
   post was a straightforward answer. I have nothing against lute players
   composing and performing their own music, I just don't wish to be
   aggressively interrogated as to why I'm not buying or playing it.
   >
   > I never said that I prefer 'old music', just that I don't see much
   'new' lute music out there to compete with the production of the great
   masters. We seem to be forgetting that the lute was THE instrument of
   its age and that many of the works which have come down to us are the
   acme of musical production.
   >
   > I cannot think of a major composer today who only writes for one
   instrument. If we look at 20th century music, very often the great
   instrumentalists commissioned works from contemporary distinguished
   composers. Maybe we need one of today's top lutenists to do the same,
   just as Julian Bream commissioned Benjamin Britten to write Nocturnal
   for guitar (based on Dowland's 'Come Heavy Sleep') over 50 years ago.
   The filter of time has not yet finished its job and we do not know what
   works will survive for prosperity but we can look back at the 20th
   century and find an endless list of great composers (Bartok, Berio,
   Britten, Crumb, Dutilleux, Gubaidulina, Kurtag, Ligeti, Messiaen,
   Prokofiev, Rihm, Shnittke, Shostakovich, Stravinsky, to name but a
   few). Maybe we need a composer of their ilk to write for the lute
   before there is a real renaissance of its music.
   >
   > Then there is the captivating experience of playing music which is
   500 years old and yet speaks to us directly with ineffable force and
   beauty. That fascination, in conjunction with the historical, artistic
   and musicological riches which accompany our music-making, are surely
   the main reasons why most of us took up the lute in the first place.
   >
   > Best,
   >
   > Matthew
   >
   >
   >
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[LUTE] Re: Reconstructed Dowland duet

2018-02-21 Thread Arthur Ness

   Here's the index to JLSA:

   http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/publications/JLSA-Index.html#40

   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net

   -Original Message-
   From: Rainer <rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
   To: Lute net <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Wed, Feb 21, 2018 11:43 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Reconstructed Dowland duet
   Dear Rainer,
   see LSA Journal XII, pp. 43-47.
   Rainer
   On 21.02.2018 15:56, Rainer wrote:
   > Dear lute netters,
   >
   > I seem to remember that Lyle Nordstrom has "reconstructed" a duet
   part for a piece by Dowland (CLM 62 or 63?).
   >
   > I have no idea where to find that. Probably in an LSA newsletter or
   Journal.
   >
   > Does anybody know?
   >
   > Are there tables of contents on the LSA web site?
   >
   > Rainer
   >
   >
   >
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[LUTE] Re: Shudderrrrrrr

2018-02-11 Thread Arthur Ness

   But, of course, it's correctly identified (with concordances) in the
   magnificent new Thysius facsimile issued by the Dutch Lute Society.

   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net

   -Original Message-
   From: Arthur Ness <arthurjn...@verizon.net>
   To: RadS.BERA_GmbH <rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>; lute
   <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Sun, Feb 11, 2018 9:20 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Shudderrr
   Also Boetticher in MGGVIII:266 and RISM_Bvii: 152 Lassus for consort
   parts "Orlando sleepeth" in the K'berg Ms., Nos. 1 & 2.
   Arthur Ness
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   To: Lute net <[2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Sun, Feb 11, 2018 7:23 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Shudderrr
   Dear lute netters,
   in the Dutch Song Database
   Orlando in Thysius, 399v (which of course is Dowland's CLM61)
   is attributed to Orlando di Lasso.
   Rainer
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[LUTE] Re: Shudderrrrrrr

2018-02-11 Thread Arthur Ness

   Also Boetticher in MGGVIII:266 and RISM_Bvii: 152 Lassus for consort
   parts "Orlando sleepeth" in the K'berg Ms., Nos. 1 & 2.

   Arthur Ness
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   From: Rainer <rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>
   To: Lute net <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Sun, Feb 11, 2018 7:23 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Shudderrr
   Dear lute netters,
   in the Dutch Song Database
   Orlando in Thysius, 399v (which of course is Dowland's CLM61)
   is attributed to Orlando di Lasso.
   Rainer
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[LUTE] Re: Jacques Gautier, Ludovico Ariosti engravings (portraits)

2018-02-09 Thread Arthur Ness

   Now I can't find it either.

   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net

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   From: Greet Schamp <schamp.gr...@gmail.com>
   To: Arthur Ness <arthurjn...@verizon.net>
   Sent: Fri, Feb 9, 2018 3:46 pm
   Subject: Re: [LUTE] Jacques Gautier, Ludovico Ariosti engravings
   (portraits)
   I couldn't find it either
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[LUTE] Jacques Gautier, Ludovico Ariosti engravings (portraits)

2018-02-09 Thread Arthur Ness

   From: Arthur Ness <arthurjn...@verizon.net>
   To: dshoskes <dshos...@mac.com>; arthurjness <arthurjn...@verizon.net>
   Sent: Fri, Feb 9, 2018 10:54 am
   Subject: Re: [LUTE] Jacques Gautier, Ludovico Ariosti engravings
   (portraits)
   Daniel,

   How wonderful.  Congratulations!!! Did you get both? Kenneth would be
   the ideal person to ask for advice.

   John and Jude Lubrano would surely be considered among the leading
   music antiquarians of our day.  Other exceptionally famous firms have
   included Leo Liepmannssohn (Berlin), Albi Rosenthal (London), Dan Fog
   (Copenhagen), Ludwig Doblinger (Vienna--off St. Stephensplatz!),
   WurlitzerÃ¢Bruck (New York City), Theodore Front (Los Angeles), et
   cetera.  Sotheby's and Christies often auction rare, antiquarian
   music.  The Lubranos usually have a booth at the Boston Early Music
   Festival.

   Recent Lubrano offerings have included Dowland's Second Book of Ayres,
   for example.  I think it was a copy belonging to our late Bob Spencer.
   One of 8 surviving copies.  Original press run: 1025 copies.  $35,000
   later reduced to $15,000.
   Arthur Ness
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   From: DANIEL SHOSKES <[2]dshos...@mac.com>
   To: Arthur Ness <[3]arthurjn...@verizon.net>
   Sent: Fri, Feb 9, 2018 7:33 am
   Subject: Re: [LUTE] Jacques Gautier, Ludovico Ariosti engravings
   (portraits)
   Thanks very much for the heads up Arthur. After confirming with Kenneth
   Be that it was legit and reasonably priced, it's now mine!
   Danny
   > On Feb 8, 2018, at 3:36 PM, Arthur Ness <[4]arthurjn...@verizon.net>
   wrote:
   >
   > From J Lubrano ( [5]http://www.lubranomusic.com/ ) in the New
   > Acquisitions for February I spotted two engravings of possible
   interest
   > here. Also check the "Details" link.
   >
   >>
   >
   > #1 Ludovico Ariosto by James Walker (1800) $500
   >
   > #13 The famous portrait of Jacques Gautier by Jan Lievens from
   shortly
   > after his release from prison $1750
   >>
   >
   > Arthur Ness
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[LUTE] Jacques Gautier, Ludovico Ariosti engravings (portraits)

2018-02-08 Thread Arthur Ness

   From J Lubrano ( http://www.lubranomusic.com/ ) in the New
   Acquisitions for February I spotted two engravings of possible interest
   here. Also check the "Details" link.

   >

   #1 Ludovico Ariosto by James Walker (1800) $500

   #13 The famous portrait of Jacques Gautier by Jan Lievens from shortly
   after his release from prison $1750
   >

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[LUTE] Re: Mystery Pieces of the Siena Manuscript xx

2018-02-07 Thread Arthur Ness

   Sorry. This is the last IÃ¢ll have to say on his matter.
   >
   RA wrote: I'll say plainly that I have no particular dog in this
   difference of opinion between Arthur and Victor . . .
   >
   Has it become a dogfight? That's sad to hear. Ron Andrico certainly has
   a dog in this matter.  After all, he is at discussion's center being
   responsible for recommending erroneous information from Victor Coelho,
   and even backing it up with his own irrelevant Hoagy corollary.  Surely
   I may be permitted the courtesy to warn the members of this group. And
   I do have an intimate knowledge of the subject Siena manuscript. I
   collated each and every source for the Francesco works (including No.
   5, of course), comparing millions of ciphers and rhythm signs to
   determine the very best readings of the lot. This is common procedure
   in  critical editions of music.
   >
   This has never been a difference "of opinion between Arthur and
   Victor."  So kindly, Ronald, stop deliberately misrepresenting the
   facts.  This has been a difference of opinion between Arthur Ness and
   Ronald.
>
   RA wrote: and since they live a stone's throw from one another, I'll
   let them sort it out with their own piles of rocks.
>
   You falsely describe this as a dispute between Victor and me.  It is no
   such thing!  This matter was settled TWENTY YEARS AGO, as I've tried so
   hard to explain.  All you need to do is look at the VC's musical
   examples (No. 5.1ff.), as I suggested earlier.  Victor is trying to
   prove the opposite of what the examples show in order to buttress his
   bizarre hypothesis of that "lutenist from the hills of Tuscany"!!  The
   Siena reading of No. 5 is a pristine copy of Francesco's original from
   sometime before 1533, the Sulzbach reading is a very, very corrupt
   reading of the same piece. Speak of a Procrustean Bed?
   >
   Although copied by a professional scribe around 1580, the contents the
   Siena ms. consist  overwhelming of lute works from the 1530s and '40s
   (136 of the 156 pieces).  It may have well been work from a music
   scriptorium with a reference file of music reaching many decades
   back--just waiting for a client with atavistic musical tastes.
>
   Victor Coehlo presented his weird anti-Francesco theory at the
   International 500^th Anniversary Francesco Syposium (1997) in Milan
   sponsored by the Fondazione Marco Fodella.  I sat quietly as a simple
   observer.  (Earlier I presented a paper recent Francesco discoveries.)
   >
   Here are some remarks about Victor's paper:
>
 (1) CHRIS WILSON, the eminent British lutenist, and others
   demolished Victor's faulty premise during the discussion following his
   paper.  Victor had set forth a theory that fully half of Francesco's
   known works were actually compositions by an "anonymous lute virtuoso
   from the hills of Tuscany," one who added Francesco's name to his
   pieces in order to enhance "Francesco's posthumous fame."
   Unbelievable.  As M'grazia Carlone reported, JLSA 26-27: page 112, "A
   very vivacious and stimulating debate between Christopher Wilson and
   Coehlo was inevitable at this point."
>
 (2) In a review in Early Music 22 (1999) TIM CRAWFORD wrote
   "[Victor's] explanation of the divergences between versions of a
   ricercar [No. 5] by Francesco da Milano and that transmitted in a later
   manuscript is, to say the least, laboured."
>
 (3) Perhaps the Italian Francesco scholar most disturbed over
   Victor's screed has been FRANCO PAVAN.   In the preface to the
   important ca. 1530 sine datum (s.d.) facsimile (which is curiously left
   unmentioned in VC's article) Franco wrote:
>
   "The errors and misinterpretations in certain recent studies [by
   Coelho] run the risk of jeopardizing the imposing work begun by H. C.
   Slim and Arthur J. Ness, and crowned by Ness's publication of the
   composer's complete works."
>
   RA wrote: and since they live a stone's throw from one another, I'll
   let them sort it out with their own piles of rocks.
   I find it quite cruel that Andrico might characterize a colleague's
   discussion of professional differences as "throwing rocks." At the time
   Victor and I lived 4000 miles apart, although while living in Santa
   Monica, I came to know Victor as a graduate student at the Herb Alpert
   School of Music at UCLA.  When his paper was first presented at the
   international Francesco Symposium in 1997, I sat back quietly but did
   not participate in the animated discussion which followed.
   >
   Caveat Lector!
   >
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[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book - Gautier Son adieu

2018-02-03 Thread Arthur Ness

   A short after-thought.  Isn't the paper in the Cherbury ms. from
   France?  But he often fought as a merceary.
   Arthur Ness
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   From: JarosÃaw Lipski <jaroslawlip...@wp.pl>
   To: lute <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Sat, Feb 3, 2018 12:33 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book - Gautier Son adieu
   > You are quoting what Thurston Dart wrote in 1957. But Jean-Marie has
   > convincingly mentioned the letter which proved that lord Herbert was
   > involved in trying to get Jacques extradited back to France and
   > therefore "would not likely collect music by him". Of course, this is
   a
   > bit flimsy, as you could probably always distinguish between music
   and
   > the person in question.
   Exactly, one has to distinguish between music and the person in
   question. I doubt very much if this affair would discourage Herbert to
   collect Jaques music if he thought about it highly.
   > Some of those Gaultier pieces in Cherbury were
   > however published both in Besard and in Varietie, 1603 and 1610
   > respectively, and Jacques would have been only 3 and 10 years at that
   > time, so not likely by him. There is of course a possibility that
   some
   > of the pieces were by Ennemond and some by Jacques. Further research
   > may prove this.
   As I wrote in my post Edward Herbert was collecting music during his
   life initially probably in form of sheet music which he copied later
   into his lute book, so exact attribution is very difficult. I never
   wrote that all the pieces titled Gaultier are identified. However, at
   least some of them seem to be composed by Jacques Gaultier, and this is
   not only mine and Thurston Dart's opinion.
   > As to the amateur status of lord Herbert, you only have to listen to
   > O'Dette's CD to completely loose this presumption. Many of the pieces
   > in the manuscript, are magnificent and highly professional and
   require
   > a high degree of dexterity to perform.
   I know Paul's CD, but amateur doesn't mean ignorant, or worthless.
   Writing Ã¢amateur" I meant that he played and collected music not for
   money, but rather for his personal entertainment. And this is what he
   wrote about himself:
   Ã¢I attained also to sing my part at first sight in music, and to play
   on the lute with very little or almost no teachingÃ¢Â¦my learning of
   music was for this end that I might entertain myself at homeÃ¢Â¦"
   Best
   JL
   > Best
   > G.
   >
   > On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 3:38 PM, JarosÃaw Lipski
   > <[1][1]jaroslawlip...@wp.pl> wrote:
   >
   > Most probably Gauthier refers to Jacques Gaultier d'Angleterre.
   > After killing his opponent in a duel Gaultier came to England in
   > 1617. He was a member of King's Musick beginning with 1619 until
   > 1648. Although Lord Herbert traveled both to France and Rome he
   > returned to London in 1617, so he had a good opportunity to meet
   > Jacques Gaultier who played there several times. In 1619 Edward
   > Herbert went back to Paris as an ambassador to the French court,
   > but had to leave after he opposed marriage between Prince Charles
   > and Henrietta Maria. King James in return banished him to Ireland
   > were Herbert spent almost 9 years, but from 1628 he was allowed to
   > return to Montgomery castle. The type of bindings in olive morocco
   > was already used in France by George Drobet on a book for Marie de
   > Medicis in 1611, so there are big chances that his lute book was
   > bound most probably in Paris, or it was bought by him ready made
   > from a bookseller on one of his trips to Paris (maybe from
   > Ballards?).
   > On the other hand Lord Cherbury was an amateur lute player and he
   > most probably used to copy pieces to his lute book from some loose
   > sheets of paper dated probably much earlier, and which he acquired
   > from renown lute players that he met. This is why we can't be sure
   > about exact dates and attribution of particular pieces, but it seems
   > very likely that he met Jacques Gaultier on several occasions and he
   > is the most likely composer of the compositions in question.
   > Best
   > JL
   >> WiadomoÃÃ napisana przez Alain Veylit
   > <[2][2]al...@musickshandmade.com> w dniu 02.02.2018, o godz. 19:04:
   >>
   >>
   >> There are two possible connections between Cherbury and
   > Ennemond
   >> Gautier: both were connected to the Montmorency household, and
   > Cherbury
   >> was acting as English ambassador at court when Ennemond moved
   > there ca.
   >> 1620. Yet Ennemond was apparently stingy when it came to
   > sharing his
   >> music and the music in the Cherb MS seems more representative
   > of his
   >>

[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

2018-02-01 Thread Arthur Ness

   Lucky you, Leonard.   Another library non-experience.  I can't recall
   exactly what I went to the Newberry to examine.  I think it was
   something for Sylvia Minkoff. (It'll come to me soon, but examining the
   lute book in person was essential.) I had a modest travel grant from
   the Newberry itself, and spent a day or two with the manuscript.  I
   recall a librarian was very helpful.  For example, he found a
   flashlight and held it while I drew and measured the watermarks.

   And I finished and had a few moments for "recreation" before I left for
   the railroad station.

   "Before I leave, could I take a quick look at the Capirola Lute Book?"
   The once so helpful librarian responded, using the royal we, "We'd be
   pleased to let you look at a microfilm."

   Arthur Ness
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   -Original Message-
   From: Leonard Williams <arc...@verizon.net>
   To: lute <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Wed, Jan 31, 2018 4:45 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book
   I had the honor (privelege?) of viewing and handling the Capirola
   Ms at the Newberry in Chicago. No real special precautions. I had to
   fill out an application first, naming another responsible party. I
   wasn't trying to play from it.
   It was awesome.
   Leonard Williams

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[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

2018-01-31 Thread Arthur Ness

   Sterling (hi!) remarked "Ya, I've been waiting decades now (I think)
   for the cherbury manuscript
   to be published."
   Why not try eons?
   How many years has Bob Spencer been gone? Twenty.  For decades he
   wanted to publish a facsimile
   of the Cherbury manuscript, but the aged music librarian at the FWM
   would not give permission.  It was probably
   No. 1 on Bob's list.
   Why?  The librarian's excuse was that the facsimile would attract
   hordes of readers wanting
   to see the original and it would be damaged.  Honest!!  Bob gave up and
   opined we'd just
   have to wait until the librarian "retired."  It is so nice to read
   the dedication to Bob's memory
   in the Holmes facsimiles.
   I experienced just the opposite with the Siena Lute Book.  It was a
   major source for the
   Francesco edition,* and I traveled to The Hague in order to see it in
   person.  It was in mint condition.  One
   might think it had been copied a few weeks before. Later I urged Mrs.
   Minkoff to publish a facsimile.
   In the meantime it got a bit messy from sweaty fingers. Twentieth
   century fingers. The museum
   library had set aside a special room where local lutenists could gather
   and pay directly from the
   manuscript.   I trust they use the facsimile these days.  Or perhaps
   they bring it out a few times
   each year just for he thrill of playing from the original.
   Then there was the time I visited our Boston Public Library to see
   Dowland's second book of ayres.
   They own the Countess of Bedford's dedication copy, all bound up in red
   leather with embossed
   gold decorations.  It was brought out by a page wearing white cotton
   gloves.  He stood behind me,
   leaned over and turned the pages when I nodded.
   Arthur Ness
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   *The best readings were in the Siena Ms.  I was nearing completion when
   I discovered Siena, and I had
   to recopy several pieces to incorporate Siena's superior readings.
   That was troublesome because the
   original plan to use my penned copy and I had to use ruled beams and
   barlines. I paid $100 for the pen.
   As a student I earned pocket change by copying music, and acting as the
   amanuensis for a Hollywood
   ASCAP composer who couldn't read music. He'd play his latest, and I'd
   write it down.  Ultimately the
   Press raised enough to pay for beautiful engravings were done in
   Japan.  My classmate Masakata
   "Holborn" Kanazawa served as intermediary.
   -Original Message-
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   To: Lutelist <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Wed, Jan 31, 2018 7:29 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book
   Ya, I've been waiting decades now (I think) for the cherbury manuscript
   to be published.
   Sterling Price
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   From: Matthew Daillie <dail...@club-internet.fr>
   Date: 1/31/18 4:26 AM (GMT-07:00)
   To: Lutelist <[1]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book
   The last I heard all the hard work had been done but they were waiting
   to break even on the Matthew Holmes manuscript before publishing. This
   was already some time ago.
   Best,
   Matthew
   On 31/01/2018 11:54, Rainer wrote:
   > I seem to remember that the English LS had announced a facsimile
   edition.
   >
   > Rainer
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[LUTE] Re: Gilded Roses

2018-01-29 Thread Arthur Ness

   There are 23 copies available from abebooks.com  Search on Rueger
   (author) and Decoration (title).  Just two words will get you a
   complete list.  The prices range from $1.09 (yes, nine cents plus one
   dollar!) to $20+.  abebooks.com is an international network of
   antiquarian (second hand)  book dealers.  I once got a book (mint
   condition: Simpson, British Broadside Ballads) sent from Australian to
   Boston, Mass. So if possible select a dealer close to your home to save
   on postage.  Some offer free postage.

   Arthur Ness
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   Sent: Mon, Jan 29, 2018 9:23 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Gilded Roses
   You could see if there is anything in this book devoted to the
   decoration of historical instruments (translated from German):
   Musical Instruments and Their decoration. Historical Gems of European
   Culture by Christoph Rueger
   Alexander Batov has dedicated a webpage to late 16th century and early
   17th century vihuela roses which makes interesting reading.
   Best,
   Matthew
   On 29/01/2018 14:43, spiffys84121 wrote:
   Hi all-- so what info do we have about gilded roses on lutes? I think
   the lute I'm building now needs her rose gilded.
   Thanks
   Sterling Price
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[LUTE] Re: Mystery Pieces of the Siena Manuscript

2018-01-26 Thread Arthur Ness

   Dear Tristan,
   To what source are you referring? Fol. 60 in Siena has a ricercar in G
   that I have not been able to identify by concordances to an attributed
   composer..
   I did try to identify many of the many, many unattributed works in
   Siena for the preface to the Minkoff facsimile.  Perhaps 90% have no
   composer attribution, but I was able to identify the composer of  about
   50%.  The pieces in Siena are arranged by mode, and so Francesco's
   works are scattered throughout.  The readings are exceptionally good. I
   discovered the Siena Ms. when I was almost finished, but had to re-copy
   several fantasias to incorporate the better readings.   Almost all of
   the pieces were from the 1530s and '40s, as you can tell by the
   composers represented.  Just a few pieces at the end for 7-course lute
   are from the 1580s, hence the date of he manuscrpt.
   There are so many different ways in which a manuscript lute book may
   arrange pieces (if they are arranged), it would be impossible answer
   your question.  And in fact some books have pieces entered
   helter-skelter.  Of course some manuscripts are devoted to one composer
   who may be named here and there. Sorry no definitive answer here,
   Tristan.   But some composers have secret signature musical motives in
   their works.  But I ain't telling.
   Tell us more about the ricercar on folio 60.  Does it use thematic
   material from FdaM No. 40, and does it quote "Nun danket"?  That sounds
   like something you might write up for the LSAQuarterly.
   Arthur Ness
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   From: Tristan von Neumann <tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
   To: Ron Andrico <praelu...@hotmail.com>; Arthur Ness
   <arthurjn...@verizon.net>; lute <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Thu, Jan 25, 2018 10:48 am
   Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Mystery Pieces of the Siena Manuscript
   Thank you Ron and Arthur for this enlightening discussion.
   It seems Victor has made some mistakes.
   I would like to refer everything back to the scientific principle,
   where
   you have to accept the facts over personal quarrels. :)
   Still, my initial question...
   Arthur, would you care to bring light into the question if there could
   be batch copies of pieces by the same author, where only one piece at
   the end or the beginning is attributed to the composer?
   And while we're at it: what is that strange Ricercar on f.60 that cites
   Francesco N40?
   (And why is that theme the beginning of the German chorale "Nun danket
   alle Gott"? Was the composer a major Francesco fan or just lucky?)
   Am 25.01.2018 um 15:32 schrieb Ron Andrico:
   > Oh dear. In an attempt to provide a reasonable explanation to
   > another's question, I appear to have rekindled smoldering embers into
   a
   > conflagration. One forgets how easily this can happen. For the sake
   > of encouraging lower blood pressure, I'll say plainly that I have no
   > particular dog in this difference of opinion between Arthur and
   Victor,
   > and since they live a stone's throw from one another, I'll let them
   > sort it out with their own piles of rocks.
   >
   > However, I understand all too well, and will just offer two points of
   > fact:
   >
   > 1) The ten sources referred to for the piece in question were those
   > named in The Lute Music of Francesco Canova da Milano, 1497-1543: 2
   > volumes in one (Harvard Publications in Music) (v. 1 & 2) Paperback Ã¢
   > January 1, 1970, by Arthur J. Ness (2 copies available on Amazon from
   > $454.90).
   >
   > 2) 1580 is later than 1536.
   >
   > Calmly,
   >
   > RA
   > __
   >
   > From: Arthur Ness <[1]arthurjn...@verizon.net>
   > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 1:12 PM
   > To: [2]praelu...@hotmail.com; [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   > Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Mystery Pieces of the Siena Manuscript
   >
   > Dear Ron,
   > >
   > >
   > Re: you comments on
   > [1][4]http://people.bu.edu/blues/documents/CoelhoAuthority.pdf
   > [2]people.bu.edu
   > people.bu.edu
   > Interpretation In seventeenthÃ¢century Italian lute music 117 109 117
   > 'archaic' (seen from the eyes of Siena) plagal relationship with
   Bb.14
   > Confirming
   > >
   > You don't seem to realize, Ron, that in preparing the Francesco
   > edition, I collated ALL
   > available sources, including ALL sources for No. 5. I did so to
   > determine the best
   > reading for each work, as is normal practice in editing a critical
   > edition of music. I did find
   > some ornamented versions, e.g., No. 5 by Hans Gerle (1533!--hence
   > sine datum is earlier
   > than that date). Victor fails to mention sine datum for some strange
   > reason--it is the earl

[LUTE] Re: Cavalcanti

2018-01-26 Thread Arthur Ness

   The songs are indeed "interesting."  Or at east different. As I recall
   in some the bass part is sung, alla Galilei.  Not the cantus.
   Arthur Ness
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   Cc: tristanvonneumann <tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>; lute
   <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Mon, Jan 22, 2018 11:23 am
   Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Cavalcanti
   I was looking at the OPAC of the royal library in Brussels, but there
   seems to be no facsimile online. Does anybody know of a facsimile
   somewhere on the net? Maybe the manuscript isn't (quote Arthur N.)
   "very exciting" but maybe the lute songs are interesting
   Jurgen
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   On 21 January 2018 7:48 PM, Arthur Ness <[1]arthurjn...@verizon.net>
   wrote:

   Tristan, You can always turn the Italian tablature upside down and play
   backwards. It's been done.

   Perhaps an efficient way to learn Italian tablature is to imagine it
   representing the fingerboard as your teacher shows you fingerings while
   seated opposite. Those pitches are "upside down" also, but in terms of
   the lute will feel "right-side up." Tablature is finger notation, and
   it is French tablature that is upside down. Oh well. . . .

   ajn
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   Sent: Sat, Jan 20, 2018 12:56 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Cavalcanti
   Dude, you know, everything is upside down? It's just very unintuitive
   for me if the notes go up, Italian tabs go down.
   I'll take a facsimile too, but I'd rather set in in French then myself.
   Am 20.01.2018 um 17:39 schrieb spiffys84121:

   You know- if you can count to 12--- you can read Italian

   tabÃÂ° Â¤ÃÂ° Â¤ÃÂ° Â¤

   Sterling

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   Subject: [LUTE] Cavalcanti

   Just curious: Is there a French tab transcription of the Cavalcanti

   Lute

   Book? Is there a facsimile somewhere on the net?...

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[LUTE] Re: Mystery Pieces of the Siena Manuscript

2018-01-25 Thread Arthur Ness

ore.
   Hardly the book used by a professional player, as Victor claims.  It is
   the work of a professional scribe  as the
   uniformity of ciphers, lettering and decorative scrolls demonstrate.
   >
   I should close by adding that I have been largely silent about Victor's
   bizarre statements, but others have not.
   Franco Pavan remarked in his preface to the facsimile of sine datum (my
   emphasis): "the errors and
   mis-interpretretations of certain recent studies, run the risk of
   jeopardizing the inspiring work begun by
   H. Colin Slim and Arthur J. Ness, and crowned by Ness's publication of
   the composer's complete works."
   >
   >
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   -Original Message-
   From: Ron Andrico <praelu...@hotmail.com>
   To: Arthur Ness <arthurjn...@verizon.net>; tristanvonneumann
   <tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>; lute <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Mon, Jan 22, 2018 12:25 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Mystery Pieces of the Siena Manuscript
   Thanks for your response, Arthur. Actually, I do understand what
   Victor Coehlo was saying in his article"Authority, Autonomy, and
   Interpretation in Seventeenth-Century Italian Lute
   Music," in Performance on Lute, Guitar, and Vihuela: Historical
   Practice and Modern Interpretation, ed. Victor Coelho, Cambridge
   Studies in Performance Practice. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press,
   1997.
   Coehlo points out, and the concordances in your edition confirm, that
   the same Recercar in question (your N. 5) appears in at least ten
   sources, and was published in Francesco's lifetime in at least three
   sources including Intabolatura da leuto...novamente stampada (no date),
   Sulzbach (1536), and Marcolini (1536). While the earlier readings may
   be less musically satisfying then the version found in the Siena ms.
   (f.23) dated some 50 years later, they do bear consideration,
   regardless of what anyone wishes to call authoritative.
   I think Coehlo was trying to make the point in his article that music
   evolves with changes in taste over time. We could make a comparison
   with Diana Poulton's attempt to create a less-embellished lute version
   of Dowland's Lachriame Pavan, even though later versions (Board, for
   example) are much more satisfying to play. She actually omitted
   diapasons from the source in an attempt to create a six-course version
   that for all intents and purposes appeared to be earlier.
   I have to say that the same is true of a piece like Hoagy Carmichel's
   Star Dust (his original 1927 title). If we go back to his original
   (textless) version, it seems rather bland after hearing later versions
   like that of Benny Goodman with Charlie Christian on guitar, or John
   Coltrane's version, or Charlie Byrd, or Joe Pass. But quirky people
   like me always tend to go back to the original source and form our own
   informed interpretation. That's why I appreciate your excellent list
   of concordances, a helpful research aid that facilitates those of us in
   possession of an inquiring mind to dig deeper.
   RA
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   From: Arthur Ness <[2]arthurjn...@verizon.net>
   Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 8:38 PM
   To: [3]praelu...@hotmail.com; [4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de;
   [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Mystery Pieces of the Siena Manuscript
   Hi Ron,
   I need to reply to your comment and will do so tomorrow, since today
   has been a bit busy for me.
   The thrust of Victor's comments are bizarre and I think you don't
   understand what he's saying.
   He's advocating a corrupt source as the "authoritative" version of a
   Francesco ricercar.
   Arthur Ness
   [6]arthurjn...@verizon.net
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   From: Ron Andrico <[7]praelu...@hotmail.com>
   To: Tristan von Neumann <[8]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>; lutelist Net
   <[9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Tue, Jan 16, 2018 10:24 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Mystery Pieces of the Siena Manuscript
   You may be onto a good idea as to the groupings in the Siena ms.
   In seeking more information on the Siena ms, the introduction by Arthur
   Ness in the Minkoff edition facsimile is a good place to start. Arthur
   is on this list and perhaps he would point you to where can read the
   introduction if you don't have access to one of those quaint
   old-fashioned brick and mortar libraries.
   And a very good source of information is Victor Coelho's "Authority,
   Autonomy, and Interpretation in Seventeenth-Century Italian Lute
   Music," in Performance on Lute, Guitar, and Vihuela: Historical
   Practice and Modern Interpretation, ed. Victor Coelho, Cambridge
   Studies in Performance Practice. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press,
   1997
   Victor presents a brilliant contextual analysis of the Siena ve

[LUTE] Re: Mystery Pieces of the Siena Manuscript

2018-01-21 Thread Arthur Ness

   Hi Ron,

   I need to reply to your comment and will do so tomorrow, since today
   has been a bit busy for me.

   The thrust of Victor's comments are bizarre and I think you don't
   understand what he's saying.

   He's advocating a corrupt source as the "authoritative" version of a
   Francesco ricercar.

   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net

   -Original Message-
   From: Ron Andrico <praelu...@hotmail.com>
   To: Tristan von Neumann <tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>; lutelist Net
   <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Tue, Jan 16, 2018 10:24 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Mystery Pieces of the Siena Manuscript
   You may be onto a good idea as to the groupings in the Siena ms.
   In seeking more information on the Siena ms, the introduction by Arthur
   Ness in the Minkoff edition facsimile is a good place to start. Arthur
   is on this list and perhaps he would point you to where can read the
   introduction if you don't have access to one of those quaint
   old-fashioned brick and mortar libraries.
   And a very good source of information is Victor Coelho's "Authority,
   Autonomy, and Interpretation in Seventeenth-Century Italian Lute
   Music," in Performance on Lute, Guitar, and Vihuela: Historical
   Practice and Modern Interpretation, ed. Victor Coelho, Cambridge
   Studies in Performance Practice. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press,
   1997
   Victor presents a brilliant contextual analysis of the Siena version of
   Francesco da Milano's fantasia referred to as N. 5 in this article. He
   has links to several of his articles on his website:
   [1][1]http://people.bu.edu/blues/acad_pub.html
   RA
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   From: lute-[2]a...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-[3]a...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
   behalf
   of Tristan von Neumann <[4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
   Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 2:36 PM
   To: lutelist Net
   Subject: [LUTE] Mystery Pieces of the Siena Manuscript
   I think I have hinted at this a while ago.
   Still one of my absolute favourites so far, I'm puzzled about the
   anonymous ricercars of the Siena Ms..
   The groups seem by the same composer (though I know style analysis
   never proves anything), and I notice a strange "cut & paste & modify"
   technique throughout.
   Some passages seem to be lifted from Alberto, others from Francesco.
   What if the anonymous pieces aren't anonymous, but like I have seen
   elsewhere just grouped, then designated to a composer at the end - or
   the beginning of the block (somewhat like "Here begins/ends the section
   of fantasies by..."). Checking the known composers around the anonymous
   pieces, it seems to somewhat make sense, though I have not checked the
   original scan and not all of the list. (Also, I'm not fluent in
   Italian...tabs.)
   What do you think?
   Anyway I'm interested in accessible articles on the Siena Ms.
   Cheers!
   Tristan
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[LUTE] Re: Cavalcanti

2018-01-21 Thread Arthur Ness

   Tristan,

   Cavalcanti isn't a very exciting manuscript. It has some Francesco
   (including the duets, canon and spagna),

   but with lots of mistakes.  Some ricercars attributed to FdaM are in
   fact intabulations.  The book was

   prepared dated 1590 for Rafaello Cavalcanti when the was 15 years old.
   Perhaps it was an older brother's book.

   Cavalcanti is a famous Italian family.  I have a grand niece from
   Sicily who lives on Via Cavalcanti in Florence.

   Arthur Ness

   arthurjn...@verizon.net

   -Original Message-
   From: Tristan von Neumann <tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
   To: lutelist Net <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Sun, Jan 21, 2018 9:39 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Cavalcanti
   Thank you Arthur - I always thought reading it upside down was a joke.
   I'll try that :)
   The problem is that I am self-taught so my fingerboard is always
   French.
   I could try imagine it looking backwards through it...
   I fear I'll be fluent in German tabs before I wrap my head around
   Italian. :)
   The original question was: even if it is in Italian, would there be any
   digital facsimile of Cavalcanti?...
   Am 21.01.2018 um 13:48 schrieb Arthur Ness:
   > Tristan, You can always turn the Italian tablature upside down and
   play
   > backwards. It's been done.
   >
   > Perhaps an efficient way to learn Italian tablature is to imagine it
   > representing the fingerboard as your teacher shows you fingerings
   while
   > seated opposite.  Those pitches are "upside down" also, but in terms
   of
   > the lute will feel "right-side up."  Tablature is finger notation,
   and
   > it is French tablature that is upside down.  Oh well. . . .
   >
   > ajn
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
   > To: lutelist Net <[2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   > Sent: Sat, Jan 20, 2018 12:56 pm
   > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Cavalcanti
   >
   > Dude, you know, everything is upside down? It's just very unintuitive
   > for me if the notes go up, Italian tabs go down.
   >
   > I'll take a facsimile too, but I'd rather set in in French then
   myself.
   >
   > Am 20.01.2018 um 17:39 schrieb spiffys84121:
   > > You know- if you can count to 12--- you can read Italian
   tabÃ°Â¤Ã°Â¤Ã°Â¤
   > >
   > > Sterling
   > >
   > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
   > >
   > >  Original message 
   > > From: Tristan von Neumann <[3]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
   > <[4]mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>>
   > > Date: 1/20/18 6:15 AM (GMT-07:00)
   > > To: lutelist Net <[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   <[6]mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>>
   > > Subject: [LUTE] Cavalcanti
   > >
   > > Just curious: Is there a French tab transcription of the Cavalcanti
   > > Lute
   > > Book? Is there a facsimile somewhere on the net?...
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   7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Cavalcanti

2018-01-21 Thread Arthur Ness

   Tristan, You can always turn the Italian tablature upside down and play
   backwards. It's been done.
   Perhaps an efficient way to learn Italian tablature is to imagine it
   representing the fingerboard as your teacher shows you fingerings while
   seated opposite.  Those pitches are "upside down" also, but in terms of
   the lute will feel "right-side up."  Tablature is finger notation, and
   it is French tablature that is upside down.  Oh well. . . .
   ajn
   -Original Message-
   From: Tristan von Neumann 
   To: lutelist Net 
   Sent: Sat, Jan 20, 2018 12:56 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Cavalcanti
   Dude, you know, everything is upside down? It's just very unintuitive
   for me if the notes go up, Italian tabs go down.
   I'll take a facsimile too, but I'd rather set in in French then myself.
   Am 20.01.2018 um 17:39 schrieb spiffys84121:
   > You know- if you can count to 12--- you can read Italian
   tabÃ°Â¤Ã°Â¤Ã°Â¤
   >
   > Sterling
   >
   > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
   >
   >  Original message 
   > From: Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
   > Date: 1/20/18 6:15 AM (GMT-07:00)
   > To: lutelist Net <[2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   > Subject: [LUTE] Cavalcanti
   >
   > Just curious: Is there a French tab transcription of the Cavalcanti
   > Lute
   > Book? Is there a facsimile somewhere on the net?...
   > To get on or off this list see list information at
   > [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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[LUTE] Re: A Database of Manuscripts and Prints for Lute Instruments

2017-11-08 Thread Arthur Ness

   Yes, that is Peter Steur's magnificent database.  We are so fortunate
   in having it.  At present it covers mainly baroque and classical period
   works.  He is, however, now including lute sources from the
   Renaissance.   As some might say, "Peter is pushing the frontiers of
   lute studies back to the 16th century"

   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net

   -Original Message-
   From: Matteo Turri <matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com>
   To: lute <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Wed, Nov 8, 2017 3:36 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] A Database of Manuscripts and Prints for Lute
   Instruments
   Don't know if this has already been shared:
   Music for Lute Instruments
   A Database of Manuscripts and Prints for Lute Instruments
   Ca. 2 pieces with concordances and incipits from more than 230
   manuscripts/prints
   [1][1]http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?lang=eng
   Not only has the all concordances, but for most of the manuscripts the
   first bars of the tablature are given for every piece.
   (On the other side, the design of the site is terrible ...)
   Matteo
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[LUTE] Re: Interesting perspective on Spinacino & Petrucci

2017-10-07 Thread Arthur Ness

   Hi Gary!
   I think you're "right on" with your comments.  Here is the Spinacino
   print, a unica, thought to
   have been destroyed in WW_II.
   http://ks.imslp.net/files/imglnks/usimg/f/f5/IMSLP434841-PMLP706772-spi
   nacino_1.pdf
   I think Wilson's perspective is a few centuries off.  His mention of
   Pasquini  suggests as much.
   He is not approaching the music on its own terms, but rather as he
   thinks it should be.
   Many ricercars use toccata figuration.  And that is essentially what
   happens in Spinacino's
   vocal settings in which the vocal quotation serves as cantus firmus.
   I listened to his harpsichord "arrangement" of a Spinacino ricercar.
   It sounds a century off for me as well.
   Spinacino actually looks backward in his pieces--under the spell of
   15th-century
   plectrum ("simplex") lutenist style. Glenn Wilson should listen to our
   Wilsons,
   Christopher and Shirley Ramsey: Early Venetian Lute Music (Naxos
   8.553694).
   Here's something in that style from the famous Cancionero de la
   Catedral de Segovia
   (copied ca. 1498-1502):
   http://home.planet.nl/~teuli049/RoeDetousbiens%20Half2octaafsleutels.pd
   f
   Lute seems to be he only string instrument from that time capable of
   playing such a wide range.
   And so nicely organized with repeated rhythmic and melodic motives to
   provide uniformity.
   There are also other similar instrumental pieces around folio 200 in
   the Cancionero, the last pieces in the
   Franco-Flemish section.   Six are by Tinctoris.  Arnold den Teuling
   identifies "Roelkin" (Little Rudolf in
   Dutch) as Rodolphus Agricola (1444-1485)
   Thus the Spinacino pieces are written under the spell of plectrum
   ("simplex") lutenist style of
   15th-century masters such as Pietrobono da Ferrara, who performed such
   duos with a tenorista
   accompanying on viola da mano.
   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net
   -Original Message-
   From: Gary Boye <boy...@appstate.edu>
   To: Arthur Ness <arthurjn...@verizon.net>
   Cc: Lutelist <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Thu, Oct 5, 2017 2:29 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Interesting perspective on Spinacino & Petrucci
   Arthur,
   Do you agree with his statements about Spinacino?
   I'm a little uncomfortable about the dismissiveness towards this work.
   Stanley Boorman's Ottaviano Petrucci: catalogue raisonnÃ Â© outlined
   the unusual history of these early books and noted that the scale of
   production was quite small--in fact, the Spinacino book had a list of
   subscribers and probably a run much smaller than later lute books. To
   say that Petrucci abandoned printing lute tablature because of all the
   errors ignores the fact that he did continue to print lute tablatures
   (another Spinacino book, the lost Giovanni Maria Alemani, Dalza,
   Bossinensis). It also ignores the fact that these are some of the most
   beautifully printed of all the early lute books, from an aesthetic
   standpoint, without the awkward lines of movable staff blocks seen in
   later prints.
   His comments do a disservice at least to Petrucci, if not to Spinacino
   as well, who after all was an amateur. Sure there are errors, but there
   are errors in every printed lute tablature out there (and most of the
   manuscript ones). And I wonder if some of the "errors" are problems
   with interpretation of the tablature and with a lack of knowledge of
   the lute. I don't find them "obviously corrupt" or "disastrous"--at
   least not to a level I would call "often"--in any case.
   Just my 2c,
   Gary
   On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Arthur Ness
   <[1][1]arthurjn...@verizon.net> wrote:
   It is an interesting quest, to seek relations between keyboard
   and
   lute music.
   One of the most eminent organists of the day was Julio (Giulio)
   Segni
   da Modena--mentioned often in Glen Wilson CD notes.
   He was first organist at St. Mark's Basilica, and is said to have
   published over 50 keyboard/ensemble ricercars.
   Alas, only 11 survive to this day in their original mensural
   notation.
   In one source, **Musica Nova** of 1540 (modern edition by Colin
   Slim)
   only
   the bass part exists. Some of the lost works survive in
   intabulations
   for lute. But Segni's name is often omitted.
   One instance is the Domenico Bianchini tablature of 1546. The
   first
   two ricercars are intabulations of Segni's work,
   not original lute works by Bianchini (as is usually thought).
   And
   Bianchini? He was professionally a mosaicist. Working where?
   Together with Segni at St. Mark's: one on a scaffold, the other
   down
   below at the organ.
   In 1548, Giovanni Maria da Crema published a dozen Segni
   ricercars
   intabulated for lute, eleven which are among the lost pieces. .
   Arthur Ness
   [2][2]arthurjn...@verizon.net
   -Original Message-
   From: Danie

[LUTE] Re: Interesting perspective on Spinacino & Petrucci

2017-10-05 Thread Arthur Ness

It is an interesting quest, to seek relations between keyboard and
   lute music.
   One of the most eminent organists of the day was Julio (Giulio) Segni
   da Modena--mentioned often in Glen Wilson CD notes.
   He was first organist at St. Mark's Basilica, and is said to have
   published over 50 keyboard/ensemble ricercars.
   Alas, only 11 survive to this day in their original mensural notation.
   In one source, **Musica Nova** of 1540  (modern edition by Colin Slim)
   only
   the bass part exists. Some of the lost works survive in intabulations
   for lute.  But Segni's name is often omitted.
   One instance is the Domenico Bianchini tablature of 1546.  The first
   two ricercars are intabulations of Segni's work,
   not original lute works by Bianchini (as is usually thought).  And
   Bianchini?  He was professionally a mosaicist.  Working where?
   Together with Segni at St. Mark's: one on a scaffold, the other down
   below at the organ.
   In 1548, Giovanni Maria da Crema published a dozen Segni ricercars
   intabulated for lute, eleven which are among the lost pieces. .
   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net
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   From: Daniel F. Heiman <heiman.dan...@juno.com>
   To: lute <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Thu, Oct 5, 2017 8:44 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Interesting perspective on Spinacino & Petrucci
   In a set of notes for a harpsichord recording :
   [1]https://www.naxos.com/mainsite/blurbs_reviews.asp?item_code=8.572998
   
   tNumW2998Â«out this Recording=English#
   Particularly the 8^th paragraph, dealing with track 1.
   Daniel Heiman
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[LUTE] Re: In search of some Bach / Weiss old academic articles in German

2017-09-07 Thread Arthur Ness

There also are two copies of the Durr Festschrift on sale at
abebooks.de for 13 and 15 Euros.

Arthur Ness
arthurjn...@verizon.net

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From: Arthur Ness <arthurjn...@verizon.net>
To: luca <l...@manassero.net>; lute <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>;
stephan.olbertz <stephan.olbe...@web.de>
Sent: Thu, Sep 7, 2017 4:30 pm
Subject: Re: [LUTE] In search of some Bach / Weiss old academic
articles in German
Dear Luca,
It would be easier, as far as I know, to locate the actual books in an
Italian library. I don't know where you live. Use the KarlsruheKVK,
and Italy in the third column. You can access the Italian Union
Catalogue of "all" books and serials (periodicals) in Italian
libraries.
[1]http://services.bibliothek.kit.edu/kvk_en.html ;
Under Italy use "Union Cat. serials" for Musikforschung. At bottom
click on "All libraries" and you'll get a list of some 20-30 Italian
libraries that have the periodical. You could also use JSTOR if your
library subscribes. STOR also leads you to a digital copy of the
periodical article on Die Musikforschung.
[]^[DEL: :DEL]
As for the Durr Festschrift under Italy use "Union Cat." author: Rehm
and title: Festschrift Durr and you'll see many libraries in Italy with
the book.
And if these libaries are not close to you, inquire to receive the
book/article on Inter-Library Loan as Stephan suggests.
Arthur Ness
[2]arthurjn...@verizon.net
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From: Luca Manassero <[3]l...@manassero.net>
To: lute <[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Thu, Sep 7, 2017 1:44 pm
Subject: [LUTE] In search of some Bach / Weiss old academic articles in
German
Dear Lute list,
since one year now I'm a student again (Conservatorio of Pavia, Italy -
Master in Lute and Theorbo) and am collecting together some literature
for my potential thesis work.
Since a few weeks I'm trying to have access to three very interesting
contributions printed in different German academic journals.
These are:
Schulze, Hans-Joachim, "Wer intavolierte Johann Sebastian Bachs
Lautenkompositionen?" Berichte und Kleine BeitrÃÂ¤ge. - Musikforschung
(Baerenreiter), 19 1 Jan-Mar 1966 pp. 32-39
Schulze, Hans-Joachim, "Ein unbekannter Brief von Silvius Leopold
Weiss." Berichte und Kleine BeitrÃÂ¤ge. Musikforschung (Baerenreiter)
21 2 Apr-Jun 1968 pp. 203-204
Schulze, Hans-Joachim, "'Monsieur Schouster' - ein vergessener
Zeitgenosse Johann Sebastian Bachs." in "Bachiana et alia musicologica.
Festschrift Alfred DÃÂ¼rr zum 65. Geburtstag" edited by Wolfgang Rehm,
1983, pp. 243-250 Kassel, Baerenreiter
I tried to reach these contributions through the Digital Library of the
German Universities, but not having any account on it (nor any chance
to
get one) I was simply locked out.
There is an extensive documentation in German at this URL:
[5]https://www.hfm-weimar.de/fileadmin/Musikwissenschaft/Musikwissensch
aft/Onlinerecherche_MuWi.pdf
If anybody out there has access to these three articles in PDF format;
I'd be REALLY enormously grateful if s/he could share a copy with me.
Thank you,
Luca
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3. mailto:l...@manassero.net
4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
5.
https://www.hfm-weimar.de/fileadmin/Musikwissenschaft/Musikwissenschaft/Onlinerecherche_MuWi.pdf
6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: In search of some Bach / Weiss old academic articles in German

2017-09-07 Thread Arthur Ness

Dear Luca,
It would be easier, as far as I know, to locate the actual books in an
Italian library. I don't know where you live. Use the KarlsruheKVK,
and Italy in the third column. You can access the Italian Union
Catalogue of "all" books and serials (periodicals) in Italian
libraries.
http://services.bibliothek.kit.edu/kvk_en.html
Under Italy use "Union Cat. serials" for Musikforschung. At bottom
click on "All libraries" and you'll get a list of some 20-30 Italian
libraries that have the periodical. You could also use JSTOR if your
library subscribes. STOR also leads you to a digital copy of the
periodical article on Die Musikforschung.
[]^[DEL: :DEL]
As for the Durr Festschrift under Italy use "Union Cat." author: Rehm
and title: Festschrift Durr and you'll see many libraries in Italy with
the book.
And if these libaries are not close to you, inquire to receive the
book/article on Inter-Library Loan as Stephan suggests.
Arthur Ness
arthurjn...@verizon.net
-Original Message-
From: Luca Manassero <l...@manassero.net>
To: lute <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Thu, Sep 7, 2017 1:44 pm
Subject: [LUTE] In search of some Bach / Weiss old academic articles in
German
Dear Lute list,
since one year now I'm a student again (Conservatorio of Pavia, Italy -
Master in Lute and Theorbo) and am collecting together some literature
for my potential thesis work.
Since a few weeks I'm trying to have access to three very interesting
contributions printed in different German academic journals.
These are:
Schulze, Hans-Joachim, "Wer intavolierte Johann Sebastian Bachs
Lautenkompositionen?" Berichte und Kleine BeitrÃÂ¤ge. - Musikforschung
(Baerenreiter), 19 1 Jan-Mar 1966 pp. 32-39
Schulze, Hans-Joachim, "Ein unbekannter Brief von Silvius Leopold
Weiss." Berichte und Kleine BeitrÃÂ¤ge. Musikforschung (Baerenreiter)
21 2 Apr-Jun 1968 pp. 203-204
Schulze, Hans-Joachim, "'Monsieur Schouster' - ein vergessener
Zeitgenosse Johann Sebastian Bachs." in "Bachiana et alia musicologica.
Festschrift Alfred DÃÂ¼rr zum 65. Geburtstag" edited by Wolfgang Rehm,
1983, pp. 243-250 Kassel, Baerenreiter
I tried to reach these contributions through the Digital Library of the
German Universities, but not having any account on it (nor any chance
to
get one) I was simply locked out.
There is an extensive documentation in German at this URL:
[1]https://www.hfm-weimar.de/fileadmin/Musikwissenschaft/Musikwissensch
aft/Onlinerecherche_MuWi.pdf
If anybody out there has access to these three articles in PDF format;
I'd be REALLY enormously grateful if s/he could share a copy with me.
Thank you,
Luca
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[LUTE] Re: Pastyme

2017-08-09 Thread Arthur Ness

   SORRY I pushed SEND too soon.
   The "Pastyme with good Companye" tune is all over the place. Often
   ascribed to Henry VIII, it is more likely to be of continental origins.
   Probably a chanson rustique.  Charlotte traced it for one of her
   seminars, but her professor (famed as reputed inspiration for "Lydia
   with Diamonds in the Sky") did not return her paper.  She found
   many more starting with the list of Pastyme pieces in John M. Ward's
   "The Lute Music of Royal Appendix 58," **Journal of  the American
   Musicological Society** 13 (1960): 117-125.  With facsimile of Roy App
   58 as Plate 4 and transcriptions as Examples 7 and 9 (PhalÃÂ¨se, 1547),
   Ward's list of about 15 sources is on pages 123-4.
   >>>
   Among those I remember from Charlotte's paper is a hymn harmonized by
   Bach (I can't recall the title), and  in a Canadian Jesuit hymnal a
   chorale in the Huron native American language.
   >>>
   I can add another from Barberiis's **Opera intitolata Contina,** sig.
   Ee3v: "Pas de mon bon compagni."  Many know it as "De mon triste" which
   Francesco intabulated and used in a parody fantasia. But many miss
   Perino Fioretino's parody of Francesco's fantasia super De mon triste,
   # App. 32 in the HUP edition.  The work by Perino (Francesco's famous
   student) departs from the fantasia, NOT from the intabulation!  A full
   sounding of the tune appears cantus-firmus-like in the top line.
   Arthur Ness
   [1]arthurjn...@verizon.net
   -Original Message-
   From: G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.com>
   To: Lutelist <[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Wed, Aug 9, 2017 11:10 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Pastyme
   Hi all!
   Does anybody have the lute version of "Pastyme with good companie" that
   Paul O'Dette plays on the Royal Lewters CD. I am encoding it into
   fronimo from RA 58 but not getting it quite right. The Phalese version
   (De mon triste [Richafort]) is also faulty.
   Regards
   G.
   PS.
   In Adrian le Roy's "Sixiesme livre de luth 1559" there is a piece by
   Debussy. Did he have a time machine?
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[LUTE] Re: Pastyme

2017-08-09 Thread Arthur Ness

   That piece is all over the place. Charlotte traced it for one of her
   seminars, but the teacher did not return her paper.

   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net

   -Original Message-
   From: G. C. <kalei...@gmail.com>
   To: Lutelist <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Wed, Aug 9, 2017 11:10 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Pastyme
   Hi all!
   Does anybody have the lute version of "Pastyme with good companie" that
   Paul O'Dette plays on the Royal Lewters CD. I am encoding it into
   fronimo from RA 58 but not getting it quite right. The Phalese version
   (De mon triste [Richafort]) is also faulty.
   Regards
   G.
   PS.
   In Adrian le Roy's "Sixiesme livre de luth 1559" there is a piece by
   Debussy. Did he have a time machine?
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[LUTE] Re: Digitised Music Mss at Brirish Librarfy

2017-08-02 Thread Arthur Ness

   This shold work

   [1]http://blogs.bl.uk/files/bl-digitised-music-manuscripts-spring-2017-
   1.pdf

   Or use this in your search app

   [2]bl-digitised-music-manuscripts-spring-2017-1.pdf []^[DEL: :DEL]

   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net

   -Original Message-
   From: Arthur Ness <arthurjn...@verizon.net>
   To: arthurjness <arthurjn...@verizon.net>
   Sent: Wed, Aug 2, 2017 9:34 am
   Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Digitised Music Mss at Brirish Librarfy
   [3]http://blogs.bl.uk/files/bl-digitised-music-manuscripts-spring-2017-
   1.pdf ;
   Arthur Ness
   [4]arthurjn...@verizon.net
   -Original Message-----
   From: Arthur Ness <[5]arthurjn...@verizon.net>
   To: mjlhall <[6]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>; lute <[7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Wed, Aug 2, 2017 8:27 am
   Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Digitised Music Mss at Brirish Librarfy
   I think one should use several search terms if one does not get you to
   the proper source.  I was looking for a table book consort manuscript
   Add. 31390 and it only showed the typewritten description of another
   related manuscript.  So I tried the title, "In nomines" and it took me
   to Add. 31390.  And I found the special piece I was looking for.  But
   it was NOT cited in the typewritten table of contents!!  The title was
   very difficult to decipher.  But it was there.
   The message is try and try again.  Altogether there are 995 manuscript
   available online!!!   335 are music manuscripts.  This information came
   from RISM.  Here is a complete list of all 335:
   [8]http://blogs.bl.uk/files/bl-digitised-music-manuscripts-summer-2017.
   pdf ;
   Arthur Ness
   [9]arthurjn...@verizon.net
   -Original Message-
   From: mjlhall <[10]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
   To: tkaki <[11]tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp>
   Cc: LutList <[12]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Wed, Aug 2, 2017 4:02 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Digitised Music Mss at Brirish Librarfy
   How do you track down individual manuscript?. so far I haven't found an
   entry for Murcia's Passacalles y obras which is Add. Ms 31640 but
   perhaps it is not included. Is there a cut off date?
   Monica
   Original Message
   From: [13]tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp
   Date: 02/08/2017 1:51
   To: "'Arthur Ness'"<[14]arthurjn...@verizon.net>,
   <[15]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Subj: [LUTE] Re: Digitised Music Mss at Brirish Librarfy
   There seems to be eight articles.
   [16]http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refd_MS_29246
   [17]http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refd_MS_29247
   [18]http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refd_MS_30513
   [19]http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refd_MS_31922
   [20]http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refd_MS_33933
   [21]http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refd_MS_61814_A
   [22]http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?ref=MS_Mus._1591
   [23]http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?ref=Royal_Appendix_MS
   _58
   Kakinami
   -Original Message-
   From: lute-[24]a...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   [[25]mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
   Behalf
   Of Arthur Ness
   Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 11:09 PM
   To: [26]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Subject: [LUTE] Digitised Music Mss at Brirish Librarfy
   Here's the link
   [27]http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/?_ga=2.209772245.1771726681.1501595289
   -18604386
   49.1501595289
   Now 335 Mss, only a few with tablature, e.g., Paston MS
   Arthur Ness
   [28]arthurjn...@verizon.net
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   1. http://blogs.bl.uk/files/bl-digitised-music-manuscripts-spring-2017-1.pdf
   2. http://blogs.bl.uk/files/bl-digitised-music-manuscripts-spring-2017-1.pdf
   3. 
http://blogs.bl.uk/files/bl-digitised-music-manuscripts-spring-2017-1.pdfÂ 
   4. mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net
   5. mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net
   6. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
   7. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   8. http://blogs.bl.uk/files/bl-digitised-music-manuscripts-summer-2017.pdfÂ 
   9. mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net
  10. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
  11. mailto:tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp
  12. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
  13. mailto:tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp
  14. mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net
  15. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
  16. http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refÂd_MS_29246
  17. http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refÂd_MS_29247
  18. http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refÂd_MS_30513
  19. http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refÂd_MS_31922
  20. http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refÂd_MS_33933
  21. http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refÂd_MS_61814_A
  22. http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?ref=MS_Mus._1591
  23. http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?ref=Royal_Appendix_MS_58

[LUTE] Re: Digitised Music Mss at Brirish Librarfy

2017-08-02 Thread Arthur Ness

   I think one should use several search terms if one does not get you to
   the proper source.  I was looking for a table book consort manuscript
   Add. 31390 and it only showed the typewritten description of another
   related manuscript.  So I tried the title, "In nomines" and it took me
   to Add. 31390.  And I found the special piece I was looking for.  But
   it was NOT cited in the typewritten table of contents!!  The title was
   very difficult to decipher.  But it was there.
   The message is try and try again.  Altogether there are 995 manuscript
   available online!!!   335 are music manuscripts.  This information came
   from RISM.  Here is a complete list of all 335:
   http://blogs.bl.uk/files/bl-digitised-music-manuscripts-summer-2017.pdf

   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net
   -Original Message-
   From: mjlhall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
   To: tkaki <tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp>
   Cc: LutList <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Wed, Aug 2, 2017 4:02 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Digitised Music Mss at Brirish Librarfy
   How do you track down individual manuscript?. so far I haven't found an
   entry for Murcia's Passacalles y obras which is Add. Ms 31640 but
   perhaps it is not included. Is there a cut off date?
   Monica
   Original Message
   From: [1]tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp
   Date: 02/08/2017 1:51
   To: "'Arthur Ness'"<[2]arthurjn...@verizon.net>,
   <[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Subj: [LUTE] Re: Digitised Music Mss at Brirish Librarfy
   There seems to be eight articles.
   [4]http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refd_MS_29246
   [5]http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refd_MS_29247
   [6]http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refd_MS_30513
   [7]http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refd_MS_31922
   [8]http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refd_MS_33933
   [9]http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refd_MS_61814_A
   [10]http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?ref=MS_Mus._1591
   [11]http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?ref=Royal_Appendix_MS
   _58
   Kakinami
   -Original Message-
   From: lute-[12]a...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   [[13]mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
   Behalf
   Of Arthur Ness
   Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 11:09 PM
   To: [14]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Subject: [LUTE] Digitised Music Mss at Brirish Librarfy
   Here's the link
   [15]http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/?_ga=2.209772245.1771726681.1501595289
   -18604386
   49.1501595289
   Now 335 Mss, only a few with tablature, e.g., Paston MS
   Arthur Ness
   [16]arthurjn...@verizon.net
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   1. mailto:tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp
   2. mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net
   3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   4. http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refÂd_MS_29246
   5. http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refÂd_MS_29247
   6. http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refÂd_MS_30513
   7. http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refÂd_MS_31922
   8. http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refÂd_MS_33933
   9. http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refÂd_MS_61814_A
  10. http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?ref=MS_Mus._1591
  11. http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?ref=Royal_Appendix_MS_58
  12. mailto:a...@cs.dartmouth.edu
  13. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu?
  14. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
  15. 
http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/?_ga=2.209772245.1771726681.1501595289-18604386
  16. mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net
  17. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Digitised Music Mss at Brirish Librarfy

2017-08-01 Thread Arthur Ness

   Some are hidden away.
   http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?ref=Royal_Appendix_MS_58

   Has Pastyme, In Winter's Just Returne, Duke of Somerset's Dompe, etc.
   on folios 51v-55.

   Also the famous Lady Carey's Dompe (keyboard)  Et cetera.

   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net

   -Original Message-
   From: Alain Veylit <al...@musickshandmade.com>
   To: Arthur Ness <arthurjn...@verizon.net>; lute <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Tue, Aug 1, 2017 12:23 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Digitised Music Mss at Brirish Librarfy
   I found those 3:
   [1]http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refd_MS_29246
   [2]http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refd_MS_29247
   [3]http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.aspx?refd_ms_31992_fs001r (W.
   Byrd intabulations)
   On 08/01/2017 07:09 AM, Arthur Ness wrote:
   > Here's the linksongs lute found those 3:
   >
   >
   [4]http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/?_ga=2.209772245.1771726681.1501595289-
   186
   > 0438649.1501595289
   >
   > Now 335 Mss, only a few with tablature, e.g., Paston MS
   >
   > Arthur Ness
   > [5]arthurjn...@verizon.net
   >
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   >
   >
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   1. http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refÂd_MS_29246
   2. http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?refÂd_MS_29247
   3. http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.aspx?refÂd_ms_31992_fs001r
   4. http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/?_ga=2.209772245.1771726681.1501595289-186
   5. mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net
   6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Digitised Music Mss at Brirish Librarfy

2017-08-01 Thread Arthur Ness

   Here's the link

   http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/?_ga=2.209772245.1771726681.1501595289-186
   0438649.1501595289

   Now 335 Mss, only a few with tablature, e.g., Paston MS

   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net

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[LUTE] Re: German keyboard tablature

2017-05-27 Thread Arthur Ness

   Thank you.  I was interested in the matter because surely Gumprecht
   must have had some input for the Rostock French 17th-century lute
   manuscript with 400 (!!) pieces.  It is copied on paper manufactured in
   Urach (40km south of Stuttgart--there was a duchal residence there),
   and not someplace in northern Germany a previously thought given the
   several northern lutenists represented.
   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net
   -Original Message-
   From: Mathias RÃÂ¶sel <mathias.roe...@t-online.de>
   To: lute <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Sat, May 27, 2017 3:28 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: German keyboard tablature
   And as for your precise question, whether or not Gumprecht may have
   been teacher to Louise's father, Frederick Louis, that seems very
   likely IMO. Gumprecht was 48 at Frederick's birth, and when Gumprecht
   died, Frederick was 16 or 17.
   Mathias
   -UrsprÃÂ¼ngliche Nachricht-
   Von: lute-[1]a...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[2]mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]
   Im Auftrag von Mathias RÃÂ¶sel
   Gesendet: Samstag, 27. Mai 2017 21:02
   An: [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Betreff: [LUTE] Re: German keyboard tablature
   Dear Arthur,
   That is interesting! Thanks for that. In 1681, father and son Gumprecht
   wrote a letter to the council of Stasburg, requesting that Jean
   Bethune, who was about to settle in Strasburg as an angÃÂ©lique teacher,
   be repelled from town. They seem to have been successful, as nothing is
   heard of Bethune afterwards. That very Bethune was the teacher of
   Marguerite Monin (whose lute book of 1664 in preserved in Paris) and of
   that student who penned down the angÃÂ©lique book that has been
   reproduced and published in facsimile by Minkoff as the only angÃÂ©lique
   tablature so far (F-Pn RÃÂ©s. 169, manuscript BÃÂ©thune).
   (Source:
   [4]http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/Instrumente/Angelique/Angelique.htm
   l)
   Obviously, they considered Jean Bethune a rival to Gumprecht the
   younger in matters of the angÃÂ©lique.
   Gumprecht's appointment in Stuttgart as a teacher as from 1688 may have
   been a delayed result of the untimely death of William Louis of
   WÃÂ¼rttemberg (Ã¢  1677). William's widow had been appointed regent and
   custodian to her four children: Eleonore Dorothea (died in 1683 at the
   young age of nine), Eberhardine Luise (1675Ã¢1707), Eberhard Ludwig
   (1676Ã¢1733), and Magdalena Wilhelmine (1677Ã¢1742). At Gumprecht's
   arrival, Eberhardine was 13, Eberhard was 12, and Magdalena was 11
   years old.
   Gumprecht and Eberhard weren't allowed more than five years, as
   Eberhard was declared politically mature at age 16 by the emperor in
   1693. Eberhard became father to Frederick Louis in 1698, crown prince
   of WÃÂ¼rttemberg (who never became duke, as he died before his father in
   1731). Frederick in 1716 married Henrietta Maria of
   Brandenburg-Schwedt, with whom he had two children: Eberhard Friedrich
   (1718Ã¢1719) and Louise Frederica (1722Ã¢1791).
   Louise Frederica of WÃÂ¼rttemberg was granddaughter to Gumprecht's
   student Eberhard of WÃÂ¼rttemberg. She was 11 years old when her
   grandfather died. Later she married Frederick II Duke of
   Mecklenburg-Schwerin and brought her lute books to Mecklenburg.
   So, if Gumprecht left Stuttgart in 1715, he never came to see and teach
   Louise of WÃÂ¼rttemberg whose lute books we can study today.
   Mathias
   -UrsprÃÂ¼ngliche Nachricht-
   Von: lute-[5]a...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[6]mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]
   Im Auftrag von Arthur Ness
   Gesendet: Samstag, 27. Mai 2017 15:37
   An: mathias.roe...@t-online.de; [7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Betreff: [LUTE] Re: German keyboard tablature
   Dear Mathias,
   Thank you for sending the *.PDF tablature with the midi audio.
   Incidentally Johann Gumprecht, d. J., (b. 1645) served in Stuttgart
   1688-1715 as "FÃÃÃ Â¼rstliche Kammer- und Tutelar-Rat fÃÃÃ Â¼r die
   musikalische
   Erziehung der herzoglichen Kinder" [Sittard, p. 65]. He played at the
   usual functions (at Mass, at dinner, instructing the children and
   pages, etc.), but was especially admired for playing the AngÃÃÃ Â¨lique.
   He brought with him the French Lautenkunst as practiced in Strasbourg.
   Did he teach Princess Luisse's father?
   Arthur Ness
   [8]arthurjn...@verizon.net
   -Original Message-
   From: Mathias RÃÃÃ Â¶sel <mathias.roe...@t-online.de>
   To: 'Lute net' <[9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Sat, May 27, 2017 6:31 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: German keyboard tablature
   Hi Alain,
   the angÃÃÃ Â©lique is strung with 16 single strings. Ten are on the
   fretboard and six are bourdons. The pitches are as follows:
   1st = e5
   2nd = d5
   3rd = c5
   <<>>
   Mathias
   -UrsprÃÃÃ Â¼ngliche Nachricht-
   Von: Alain Veylit [[1][10]mailto:al...@musickshandmade.com]
   Gesendet: Samstag, 27. Mai 2017 09:29
   A

[LUTE] Re: German keyboard tablature

2017-05-27 Thread Arthur Ness

   Dear Mathias,
   Yes, as you later write, I did not mean to suggest that Louise
   Frederica studied with Gumprecht d. J.  By coincidence just a few days
   ago I received by mistake the BÃÂ©hune (Minkoff) facsimile, and now am
   glad that I decided to pay for it and keep it for my collection.   It's
   interesting that father and son wrote to expel Bethune so the son could
   take the position. Frederick Louis had some interesting musical travels
   and surely compiled a massive collection of scores. It is surely one of
   the largest music libraries to have survived  from the 18th
   century. And so little was lost from it over the years. By the way, do
   you know the first name of J. Caspar the Chorknab, later violist and
   scribe at the Stuttgart court?  His hand is so beautiful in the Pieces
   choises pour le Lut. .  I think he must have followed Louise to
   Mecklenberg as her secretary.  He entered some Accords in manuscripts
   copied by others (e.g., Schwinghammer), so must have advised her on
   musical matters as well.
   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net
   -Original Message-
   From: Mathias RÃÂ¶sel <mathias.roe...@t-online.de>
   To: lute <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Sat, May 27, 2017 3:04 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: German keyboard tablature
   Dear Arthur,
   That is interesting! Thanks for that. In 1681, father and son Gumprecht
   wrote a letter to the council of Stasburg, requesting that Jean
   Bethune, who was about to settle in Strasburg as an angÃÂ©lique teacher,
   be repelled from town. They seem to have been successful, as nothing is
   heard of Bethune afterwards. That very Bethune was the teacher of
   Marguerite Monin (whose lute book of 1664 in preserved in Paris) and of
   that student who penned down the angÃÂ©lique book that has been
   reproduced and published in facsimile by Minkoff as the only angÃÂ©lique
   tablature so far (F-Pn RÃÂ©s. 169, manuscript BÃÂ©thune).
   (Source:
   [1]http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/Instrumente/Angelique/Angelique.htm
   l)
   Obviously, they considered Jean Bethune a rival to Gumprecht the
   younger in matters of the angÃÂ©lique.
   Gumprecht's appointment in Stuttgart as a teacher as from 1688 may have
   been a delayed result of the untimely death of William Louis of
   WÃÂ¼rttemberg (Ã¢  1677). William's widow had been appointed regent and
   custodian to her four children: Eleonore Dorothea (died in 1683 at the
   young age of nine), Eberhardine Luise (1675Ã¢1707), Eberhard Ludwig
   (1676Ã¢1733), and Magdalena Wilhelmine (1677Ã¢1742). At Gumprecht's
   arrival, Eberhardine was 13, Eberhard was 12, and Magdalena was 11
   years old.
   Gumprecht and Eberhard weren't allowed more than five years, as
   Eberhard was declared politically mature at age 16 by the emperor in
   1693. Eberhard became father to Frederick Louis in 1698, crown prince
   of WÃÂ¼rttemberg (who never became duke, as he died before his father in
   1731). Frederick in 1716 married Henrietta Maria of
   Brandenburg-Schwedt, with whom he had two children: Eberhard Friedrich
   (1718Ã¢1719) and Louise Frederica (1722Ã¢1791).
   Louise Frederica of WÃÂ¼rttemberg was granddaughter to Gumprecht's
   student Eberhard of WÃÂ¼rttemberg. She was 11 years old when her
   grandfather died. Later she married Frederick II Duke of
   Mecklenburg-Schwerin and brought her lute books to Mecklenburg.
   So, if Gumprecht left Stuttgart in 1715, he never came to see and teach
   Louise of WÃÂ¼rttemberg whose lute books we can study today.
   Mathias
   -UrsprÃÂ¼ngliche Nachricht-
   Von: lute-[2]a...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[3]mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]
   Im Auftrag von Arthur Ness
   Gesendet: Samstag, 27. Mai 2017 15:37
   An: mathias.roe...@t-online.de; [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Betreff: [LUTE] Re: German keyboard tablature
   Dear Mathias,
   Thank you for sending the *.PDF tablature with the midi audio.
   Incidentally Johann Gumprecht, d. J., (b. 1645) served in Stuttgart
   1688-1715 as "FÃÃÃ Â¼rstliche Kammer- und Tutelar-Rat fÃÃÃ Â¼r die
   musikalische
   Erziehung der herzoglichen Kinder" [Sittard, p. 65]. He played at the
   usual functions (at Mass, at dinner, instructing the children and
   pages, etc.), but was especially admired for playing the AngÃÃÃ Â¨lique.
   He brought with him the French Lautenkunst as practiced in Strasbourg.
   Did he teach Princess Luisse's father?
   Arthur Ness
   [5]arthurjn...@verizon.net
   -Original Message-
   From: Mathias RÃÃÃ Â¶sel <mathias.roe...@t-online.de>
   To: 'Lute net' <[6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Sat, May 27, 2017 6:31 am
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: German keyboard tablature
   Hi Alain,
   the angÃÃÃ Â©lique is strung with 16 single strings. Ten are on the
   fretboard and six are bourdons. The pitches are as follows:
   1st = e5
   2nd = d5
   3rd = c5
   <<>>
   Mathias
   -UrsprÃÃÃ Â¼ngli

[LUTE] Re: Adieu mes amours?

2017-04-12 Thread Arthur Ness

   Why not contact the Medieval Academy of America.  They are still in
   Harvard Square (17 Dunster Street,
   Suite 202, Cambridge, MA 02138).
   They would probably be delighted to grant permission to use
   Hewitt's transcription of "Adieu mes amours"
   as a basis for your study.
   After all they are a scholarly society. With their many, many
   publications you can be assured that someone
   at the Academy watches to see that copyrights are properly renewed.
   Helen Hewitt died in 1977 so I
   presume the 70-years-after-death rule would apply.   (I'm not an
   attorney.)
   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net
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   From: William Brohinsky <tiorbin...@gmail.com>
   To: Lute List <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Wed, Apr 12, 2017 1:06 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Adieu mes amours?
   I replied to Guy last night, in a hurry, and didn't get the lute list
   into the cc:
   Helen Hewett's 1942 dissertation on Harmonice Musices Odhecaton A,
   which was printed and published as Studies and Documents 5, Medieval
   Academy of America No. 42, and included Isabel Pope's translation/edit
   of much of the texts associated with the songs. It contains (page 219
   to the page 421) a transcription with barlines and underlaid text (with
   footnotes indicating which sources drove which editorial decisions and
   ascribing underlaying to FR (for which the cite is FR Firenze, R.
   Biblioteca Riccardiana, Ms 2794 (15th c.) Wolf, Eandbuch, I, 450 Jepp,
   p. lxxii).
   Josquin's Adieu mes Amours is #14 (f16'-17 in the original). It has
   only the incipit text.
   Imslp has only the transcriptions of the dissertation, pages 219-421,
   and marks it as PD-EU. I believe this may be an artifact of IMSLP's way
   of evaluating public domain status, which treats anything slightly in
   question as not being PD.
   I'm still researching to see if the copyright was updated by Hewitt,
   Pope or the Medieval Academy in 1970 (28 years after the initial
   copyright). I'm going through the LOC online resources, but this could
   be short-cut if anyone has a copy of the DaCapo reprint put out in
   1978. The LOC records don't show an application for copyright by Da
   Capo, for "Odhecaton" or any reference to Helen Hewitt or Isabel Pope.
   Don't be mislead, though: if the Da Capo reprint has a copyright, it
   may be on the "Collection" and not on the contents, and may result from
   additional, non-Hewitt related material.
   The next step is a laborious search of the 1969, 1970 and 1971
   copyright renewal records (I just finished 1970, and haven't the will
   to live.) So maybe the next step is if someone who has the DaCapo or
   direct knowledge of Hewitt's or the Medieval Academy's copyright, they
   can say so.
   There is another pdf of Hewitt's entire 1942 book, but since I can't
   tell whether it is intentionally exposed, I'll leave that datum at
   that.
   Ray
   On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 12:10 PM, guy_and_liz Smith
   <[1][1]guy_and_...@msn.com> wrote:
   Can anyone point me to a texted version of Josquin's Adieu mes
   Amours?
   All I can find (on IMSLP) is several instrumental versions and
   Mouton's
   arrangement of the piece (which does at least have text). Is it
   buried
   in one of the (many) collections or are there sources other than
   IMSLP
   that don't show up readily with search tools?
   Guy
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[LUTE] Re: Adieu mes amours?

2017-04-11 Thread Arthur Ness

   Also (better?)

   http://music.dalitio.de/choir/josquin/adieu-mes-amours/adieumesamours.p
   df

   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net

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   From: Arthur Ness <arthurjn...@verizon.net>
   To: guy_and_liz <guy_and_...@msn.com>; lute <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>;
   arthurjness <arthurjn...@verizon.net>
   Sent: Tue, Apr 11, 2017 12:34 pm
   Subject: Re: [LUTE] Adieu mes amours?
   Choral Wiki (free)
   [1]http://www2.cpdl.org/wiki/images/e/ee/Josquin_Adieu_mes_amours_4v.pd
   f
   Another good place to look is in the World Catalogue.  Or Google.
   By the way, is this by Josquin?
   Arthur Ness
   [2]arthurjn...@verizon.net
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   To: Lute List <[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Tue, Apr 11, 2017 12:13 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Adieu mes amours?
   Can anyone point me to a texted version of Josquin's Adieu mes Amours?
   All I can find (on IMSLP) is several instrumental versions and Mouton's
   arrangement of the piece (which does at least have text). Is it buried
   in one of the (many) collections or are there sources other than IMSLP
   that don't show up readily with search tools?
   Guy
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[LUTE] Re: Adieu mes amours?

2017-04-11 Thread Arthur Ness

   Choral Wiki (free)

   http://www2.cpdl.org/wiki/images/e/ee/Josquin_Adieu_mes_amours_4v.pdf

   Another good place to look is in the World Catalogue.  Or Google.

   By the way, is this by Josquin?

   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net

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   To: Lute List <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Tue, Apr 11, 2017 12:13 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Adieu mes amours?
   Can anyone point me to a texted version of Josquin's Adieu mes Amours?
   All I can find (on IMSLP) is several instrumental versions and Mouton's
   arrangement of the piece (which does at least have text). Is it buried
   in one of the (many) collections or are there sources other than IMSLP
   that don't show up readily with search tools?
   Guy
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[LUTE] Re: Gorzanis 1567

2017-03-16 Thread Arthur Ness

   Many thanks for the reference.  How well I know it. My dissertation
   is now on the LSA web page.

   GrÃÂ¼Ãe aus Boston!  Artur.

   Arthur Ness
   arthurjn...@verizon.net

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   Sent: Thu, Mar 16, 2017 1:09 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Gorzanis 1567
   Gorzanis, Giacomo: TÃÂ¤nze und Napolitanen - BSB Mus.ms. 1511 a [1567]
   [1][1]http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/Ã¢Â¦/0Ã¢Â¦/bsb00104621/images/
   cordial greetings
   w.
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[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-31 Thread Arthur Ness

What is the etymology of the word tiorba?

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
Of Martyn Hodgson
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:03 AM
To: David Tayler; lute
Subject: [LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

   As already pointed out on a number of occasions, the point about
   tablature sources, rather than staff notation, is that they oblige a
   particular tuning from the named instrument. Thus, for example, the
   archlute tablature sources require top courses at the higher octave (ie
   non re-entrant) - and vice versa for the theorbo tablatures. Your
   stated belief that the archlute and theorbo were simply different names
   for the same instrument('The terms arciliuto and tiorba are
   high-degree interchangeable.') is not therefore supported by any of the
   tablature sources
   MH
 __

   From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net
   To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Friday, 31 January 2014, 6:19
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1
 I don't see that staff notation is peculiar; it was a standard form
   of
 notation. It is elegant and descriptive, and the choice of brilliant
 composers. There are even accounts in letters and diaries saying that
 it is better than tablature, presumably because it is more efficient
   in
 showing the individual voices, or as part of the basso continuo
 movement, or to parallel the viol, and so on. Many more reasons as
 well, such as ornamentation.
 Mersenne's quote: one can interpret all the square data that does not
 fit into the round hole as errors, but because of the superfluity of
 square data I think it makes more sense to consider the terms
 high-degree interchangeable.
 Absence of viel ton: if music is written in mensural notation, there
   is
 no way to know if it is viel ton or not in many cases, so the
   absence
 is evidence only that ppl stopped using tab for some of the newer
 styles of music. Certainly the tuning had some serious competition.
 dt
   __
 From: jean-michel Catherinot [1]jeanmichel.catheri...@yahoo.com
 To: R. Mattes [2]r...@mh-freiburg.de; lute
   [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Martyn
 Hodgson [4]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
 Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 2:14 AM
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1
   Yes: Zamboni in tablature., but indeed you know that!. I consider
 that
   most of the arciliuto music is written in staff notation, may be
   this
   is a particularity of the instrument, and there is no doubt that
 tuning
   is not re-entrant (just have a look to Hasse's Cleofide, for
 arciliuto
   and compare with obligato parts for tiorba in Conti's Davide:
   ambitus
   and tessiture). . In staff notation, you mat consult, as I said,
   obligato parts  in Hasse's  and Haendel's operas (and many others
   it
   seems, I'm trying to list them), and the concerti from Harrach
   collection. It is not impossible that Zamboni was the composer of
   the
   solo sonata for arciliuto and the two aconcertinos' for arciliuto
 with
   two violins and organ (all anonymous and in staff notation) from
   the
   Harrach library formerly owned by Robert Spencer and now at the
   Royal
   Academy of Music, London; another similar anonymous concerto for
   arciliuto is among the newly-discovered items of chamber music at
   Rohrau.
   Concerning Mersenne, it is quite clear in french that while
   renaming
   the picture untitled tuorbe in archiluth, he corrects a mistake
 he
   has  previously done (and he says explicitly that): and he gives
 quite
   clearly the tuning for thA(c)orbe (re-entrant, in A) and the two
   tunings for archiluth in G and A.
   Concerning the use of archiluth in France (this is not our subject,
   but...): at first 2 points, I don't know any tablature evidence of
 the
   use of vieil ton after ca1640. If this type of lute would be used,
 it's
   very strange that there is no written music for it (not a note).
   The
   only strange  book of Delair gives the impression that the tuning
 could
   be not re-entrant: but it's a quite basic book, which only gives
   solution for chords, not to play a B.C., and also dedicated to the
   harpsichord (did Delair even play the theorbo?). The others
 (Grenerin,
   Fleury,...) work with re-entrant tuning, even if the solutions
   could
 be
   strange for us (but what about the guitar?).
   I think the discontinuity you quote about the lines, with wide
   laps,
 is
   inherent to the theorbo. In very clear solo theorbo pieces, with no
   doubt on tuning as Saizenay, you find

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-31 Thread Arthur Ness

At a concert here in Boston many years ago, POD was on stage with his tiorbo
and a  guitarist was serenading the audience while dancing in the aisles.
To end he wanted to be on stage, but Paul's tiorbo was blocking the steps.
Paul did a double take and raised the instrument like a railroad crossing
gate, and the dancer  gained the stage to take his bows. 

I had heard (can't recall where) that the term has some meaning with trees
or branches.  But I couldn't find a closely related word.  What I heard was
probably  just modern speculation like ti orbo.   --Arthur

I've been looking at PANs today, Andi
-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
Of Arto Wikla
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 11:01 AM
To: Arthur Ness; Martyn Hodgson; David Tayler; lute
Subject: [LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1


Jakob Lindberg had a funny speculation: In the old Venice dialect ti orba
meant I'll blind you.
Just think the problems with the long extension neck...

Once I happened to hit the director of a choir, when he arrived to the front
of the choir and me with the theorbo; tiny river of blood in his head did
not harm his work, luckily...

Arto

On 31/01/14 23:45, Arthur Ness wrote:
 What is the etymology of the word tiorba?

 -Original Message-
 From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On 
 Behalf Of Martyn Hodgson
 Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:03 AM
 To: David Tayler; lute
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

 As already pointed out on a number of occasions, the point about
 tablature sources, rather than staff notation, is that they oblige a
 particular tuning from the named instrument. Thus, for example, the
 archlute tablature sources require top courses at the higher octave
(ie
 non re-entrant) - and vice versa for the theorbo tablatures. Your
 stated belief that the archlute and theorbo were simply different
names
 for the same instrument('The terms arciliuto and tiorba are
 high-degree interchangeable.') is not therefore supported by any of
the
 tablature sources
 MH
   
 __

 From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net
 To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Friday, 31 January 2014, 6:19
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1
   I don't see that staff notation is peculiar; it was a standard form
 of
   notation. It is elegant and descriptive, and the choice of brilliant
   composers. There are even accounts in letters and diaries saying
that
   it is better than tablature, presumably because it is more efficient
 in
   showing the individual voices, or as part of the basso continuo
   movement, or to parallel the viol, and so on. Many more reasons as
   well, such as ornamentation.
   Mersenne's quote: one can interpret all the square data that does
not
   fit into the round hole as errors, but because of the superfluity of
   square data I think it makes more sense to consider the terms
   high-degree interchangeable.
   Absence of viel ton: if music is written in mensural notation, there
 is
   no way to know if it is viel ton or not in many cases, so the
 absence
   is evidence only that ppl stopped using tab for some of the newer
   styles of music. Certainly the tuning had some serious competition.
   dt
 __
   From: jean-michel Catherinot [1]jeanmichel.catheri...@yahoo.com
   To: R. Mattes [2]r...@mh-freiburg.de; lute
 [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Martyn
   Hodgson [4]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
   Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 2:14 AM
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1
 Yes: Zamboni in tablature., but indeed you know that!. I consider
   that
 most of the arciliuto music is written in staff notation, may be
 this
 is a particularity of the instrument, and there is no doubt that
   tuning
 is not re-entrant (just have a look to Hasse's Cleofide, for
   arciliuto
 and compare with obligato parts for tiorba in Conti's Davide:
 ambitus
 and tessiture). . In staff notation, you mat consult, as I said,
 obligato parts  in Hasse's  and Haendel's operas (and many others
 it
 seems, I'm trying to list them), and the concerti from Harrach
 collection. It is not impossible that Zamboni was the composer of
 the
 solo sonata for arciliuto and the two aconcertinos' for arciliuto
   with
 two violins and organ (all anonymous and in staff notation) from
 the
 Harrach library formerly owned by Robert Spencer and now at the
 Royal
 Academy of Music, London; another similar anonymous concerto for
 arciliuto is among

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-24 Thread Arthur Ness

Yes, and some of those archiliuto opera orchestral parts from Dresden have
notations that have been identified as being in S.L. Weiss's handwriting!
Some were displayed at the Freiburg Weiss Conference in 1984(??).  Andre
Bourget (liuto forte guy) gathered all kinds of interesting things for that
conference.  It was an exciting meeting.  Were you there Ralf?   --Arthur

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
Of jean-michel Catherinot
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 6:58 AM
To: Gary R. Boye; Martyn Hodgson; R. Mattes; Ed Durbrow; LuteNet list
Subject: [LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

   great, Gary!Thank you for this sum up. I searched some weeks ago on
   RISM with the key  arciliuto and so on.  Apart for its use in Roma
   (and +?), it's outstanding that you find arciliuto obligato  in Dresden
   's opera (Hasse's Cleofide for instance) at the time of Weiss (and not
   forgetting Haendel's works in Roma or London where arciliuto or/and
   tiorba is mentionned, but I have to get a new look on those), and it
   looks that the tuning is vieil ton (I have the feeling that both A
   and G tuning were common, depending on the key, and probably with semi
   chromatic bourdons, likely E, Eb and F, F# ).Out of topic, but may that
   ( perhaps)  address the question of a new approach of lute in Bach's
   works (Passionen) ?
   Le Vendredi 24 janvier 2014 15h23, Gary R. Boye boy...@appstate.edu a
   ecrit :
   Dear Jean Michel,
   Yes; interesting! We are only talking about Corelli's Op. 1 (Opp. 2-4
   all call for archlute according to surviving editions--no mention of
   theorbo there). I suppose this could either reflect common practice in
   a
   city (Rome vs. Bologna/Venice) or publisher preference. Or just
   happenstance--what editions the publishers happened to copy. The raw
   numbers:
   There are 15 known editions of Op. 1, published between 1681-1735.
   Archlute is called for in the first edition in Rome, as well as 2 other
   Roman editions, 1 edition from Modena, and 3 editions from London.
   Theorbo (tiorba) is called for in 7 editions, published between
   1682-1707. 5 of the editions are from Bologna (printed by G. Monti or
   Silvani) and 2 are from Venice.
   There is an additional Dutch edition by Roger that calls for both
   instruments in a catalog published later. This seems to support
   Martyn's
   statement about different uses for the instruments in this music
   (violone vs. figured bass parts).
   There are some that see a very limited role for the archlute in
   general,
   mainly in Rome. But in addition to Corelli, the archlute was called for
   in title pages of other's music outside of Rome more often than in Rome
   itself:
   London 21
   Rome 10
   Amsterdam 10
   Venice 6
   Bologna 5
   Modena 3
   Antwerp 1
   Florence 1
   Lucca 1
   [To search on my web page, go to:
   [1]http://applications.library.appstate.edu/music/lute/continuo.html
   and
   CRTL + F archlute]
   This is not counting the solo music in tablature, just the continuo
   sources. For a list of the solo music for archlute, see:
   [2]http://applications.library.appstate.edu/music/lute/C17/archlute.htm
   l
   So I have some trouble limiting the archlute to Rome, but perhaps it
   starts there . . .
   Gary
   On 1/24/2014 2:51 AM, jean-michel Catherinot wrote:
   Dear Gary ,
   Here are the links to the first editions, on IMSLP. Both are
   published
   in Roma, and mention arcileuto. The publications you cited are all
   not
   in Roma. This fact is indeed interessant, isn'it?
   [3]http://imslp.org/wiki/Special:ImagefromIndex/280129
   [4]http://imslp.org/wiki/Special:ImagefromIndex/280136
   Le Jeudi 23 janvier 2014 17h45, Martyn Hodgson
   [5]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk a ecrit :
 Dear Gary,
 Indeed, and often overlooked (tho' I suspect not by you) is that
 theorbo is an alternative to the bass violin and not the
   principal
 figured bass continuo instrument so a stratospheric higher
   register
   is
 not required.
 rgds
 Martyn
   
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   1. http://applications.library.appstate.edu/music/lute/continuo.html
   2. http://applications.library.appstate.edu/music/lute/C17/archlute.html
   3. http://imslp.org/wiki/Special:ImagefromIndex/280129
   4. http://imslp.org/wiki/Special:ImagefromIndex/280136
   5. mailto:hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
   6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Königsberg is on-line

2013-12-18 Thread Arthur Ness

   Dear Rainer,



   That's interesting.  But I have difficulty in navigating, so I won't
   throw out my bound paper copy.  I don't see any commentary on those
   pages of the digital copies.  I just have been thinking about some
   information on the manuscript, and how it got from K'berg to Vilnius at
   the end of WW_II.  Bit of intrigue awaits you when I next write.  The
   Amber Room is also involved.sigh  But no, I don't know where it is.



   [1]http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/world-history/brie
   f_amber.html



   You also noted some imporortant prints that are now online.  Thanks!!!



   - Original Message -
   From: Rainer [2]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de
   To: Lute net [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:11 PM
   Subject: [LUTE] Koenigsberg is on-line

   
   [4]http://www.manuscriptorium.com/apps/main/en/index.php?request=show_t
   ei_digidocdocId=set20090121_31_43
   
Special greetings to Arthur :)
   
Rainer adS
   
PS
   
Shudder - a few pages only :(
   
   
   
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   2. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de
   3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   4. 
http://www.manuscriptorium.com/apps/main/en/index.php?request=show_tei_digidocdocId=set20090121_31_43
   5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Chilesotti?

2013-12-17 Thread Arthur Ness

   You're thinking about _*Da un Codice Lauten-Buch*_ which has 99
   pieces.  It's a commmonplace book assembled by a Nuerenberg merchant.
   It has tablature and writings (jokes, saying, poems, etc.).  Tablatue
   edition buy Dick Hoban.  Lyre Music Press.



   This is _*Lauutenspieler*_.  It is an anthology of over 200 pieces by
   about 25 lutenist-composers.



   Both transc. by Oscar Chilesotti.

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   From: Stephen Fryer [1]sjfr...@telus.net
   To: Thomas Schall [2]lauten...@lautenist.de;
   [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 2:07 PM
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chilesotti?

On 17/12/2013 10:02 AM, Thomas Schall wrote:
It's 9 PDF files:
[4]http://lautenist.de/chilesotti1.pdf
[5]http://lautenist.de/chilesotti2.pdf
[6]http://lautenist.de/chilesotti3.pdf
[7]http://lautenist.de/chilesotti4.pdf
[8]http://lautenist.de/chilesotti5.pdf
[9]http://lautenist.de/chilesotti6.pdf
[10]http://lautenist.de/chilesotti7.pdf
[11]http://lautenist.de/chilesotti8.pdf
[12]http://lautenist.de/chilesotti9.pdf
   
Thanks!  And that's still not all 99 of them!
   
Stephen Fryer
   
   
   
   
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   1. mailto:sjfr...@telus.net
   2. mailto:lauten...@lautenist.de
   3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   4. http://lautenist.de/chilesotti1.pdf
   5. http://lautenist.de/chilesotti2.pdf
   6. http://lautenist.de/chilesotti3.pdf
   7. http://lautenist.de/chilesotti4.pdf
   8. http://lautenist.de/chilesotti5.pdf
   9. http://lautenist.de/chilesotti6.pdf
  10. http://lautenist.de/chilesotti7.pdf
  11. http://lautenist.de/chilesotti8.pdf
  12. http://lautenist.de/chilesotti9.pdf
  13. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Complete Theoretical Works of Johannes Tinctoris: A New Digital Edition

2013-12-02 Thread Arthur Ness

This new site may be of interest to some of you.
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To: ams-annou...@list.bowdoin.edu
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 8:54 AM
Subject: [AMS-announce] ANNOUNCEMENT: The Complete Theoretical Works of 
Johannes Tinctoris: A New Digital Edition

The Complete Theoretical Works of Johannes Tinctoris: A New Digital 
Edition

The project team are delighted to announce that the web site of the new 
edition of Tinctoris's theoretical writings is now open for public use. 
You are invited to visit http://earlymusictheory.org/tinctoris/ to start 
exploring the edition and to learn its capabilities.

At the time of opening, the edition comprises two of Tinctoris's twelve 
treatises: *De notis et pausis* (On notes and rests) and *De imperfectione 
notarum* (On the imperfection of notes). For each, a critical edition of 
the Latin text and a careful English translation are available, together 
with meticulous transcriptions of each individual source. User-selected 
options allow a text-critical apparatus or different punctuation systems 
to be displayed as desired. The site will eventually include a good deal 
of interpretative material, beginning with an article by Ronald Woodley on 
Syncopated imperfection and alteration in Tinctoris's theoretical 
writings. We intend in due course also to provide digital facsimiles of 
the sources.

We expect to be able to add a finished edition and translation (with 
source transcriptions) of *De punctis* (On dots) very soon; a draft 
edition and translation (and transcriptions) of *De inventione et usu 
musice* (On the invention and use of music) will appear before the end of 
2013, although it will then take some time to polish these. (One of the 
advantages of electronic publication is that it is possible to update 
texts as needed.) In the new year we intend to address *De arte 
contrapuncti* (On the art of counterpoint) and other texts.

The site contains a blog where the team will keep users informed of 
progress on the edition. We intend soon to provide also a user forum, 
where users can initiate conversations with the project team and with one 
another; in the short term, we hope users will comment on the blog to let 
us know their reactions. We want to respond to users' experience to make 
the edition and the site as useful as it can possibly be. Please follow 
our Twitter account, @EarlyMusTheory, or subscribe to the RSS feed from 
the blog, http://earlymusictheory.org/blog/?feed=rss (or rss2, atom, rdf), 
to stay abreast of future developments.

The edition is funded at present by the Arts  Humanities Research Council 
UK, and the team is based at Birmingham Conservatoire (Birmingham City 
University). The project has grown out of the ongoing research of its 
Principal Investigator, Ronald Woodley, into the life and works of 
Tinctoris. We hope to secure funding for a follow-on project once the 
current project is complete.

Ronald Woodley  ronald.woodley at bcu.ac.uk
Jeffrey J. Dean jeffrey.dean at stingrayoffice.com
David Lewis d.lewis at gold.ac.uk

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[LUTE] Re: Guitar and Lute MS from Sibley Digital

2013-11-21 Thread Arthur Ness

   Dear Christopher,



   This seems to be a quotation from an antiquarian music dealer's
   catalogue, in this case Otto Haas , Catalogue 6: Music and Music
   Literature (London, 1938), Item 575, successor to Leo Liepmannssohn,
   Katalog 223:  Musikbibliographie und Notation (Berlin, 1931), Item
   546.   The Haas description is pasted on the inside of the cover.  I
   think new French refers to baroque lute tablature with slashes below
   the staff for bass courses, and as bh commented, the d minor tuning.
   Liepmannssohn was probably trying to be precise, since the catalogue
   includes Notation.

   - Original Message -
   From: Christopher Wilke [1]chriswi...@yahoo.com
   To: Lute List [2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Arthur Ness
   [3]arthurjn...@verizon.net
   Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 7:50 AM
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Guitar and Lute MS from Sibley Digital

Thanks so much Arthur!  Any idea why the item description refers to
   the tab as the so called New French notation?
   
Chris
   
   
   
Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A.
Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
[4]www.christopherwilke.com
   

On Thu, 11/21/13, Arthur Ness [5]arthurjn...@verizon.net wrote:
   
Subject: [LUTE] Guitar and Lute MS from Sibley Digital
To: Lute List [6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Thursday, November 21, 2013, 7:13 AM
   
I recall that some pieces appear in
two versions, lute and guitar.
- Original Message - From: [7]nore...@ur.rochester.edu
To: [8]arthurjn...@verizon.net
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 1:00 AM
Subject: New UR Research Publications for dates: 11/20/2013
- 11/21/2013
   
   
New publications are available in the UR Research
collections you have subscribed to
   
New publications in Musical Scores: 4
   
Publication Name: Dictionaire harmonique, ou Guide sur pour
la vraie modulasion. Par F. Geminiani. Dictionarium
harmonicum, of Zeekere wegwyzer tot de waare modulatie ...
URL:
   [9]https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.
   action?institutionalItemId'554versionNumber=1
   
Author:Geminiani, Francesco (1687 - 1762)
   
   
Publication Name: Arte prattica  poetica, Das ist: Ein
kurtzer Unterrricht wie man einen Contrapunct machen und
Componiren sol lernen (in Zehen Buecher abgetheilet) sehr
kuertz- und leichtlich zu begreiffen; So vor diesem von
Giov. Chiodino Latein- und Italienisch beschrieben worden.
Dessgleichen: II. Ein kurtzer Tractat und Unterricht/ wie
man einen Contrapunct `a mente, non `a penna, Das ist: Im
Sinn/ und nicht mit der Feder Componiren und setzen solle:
Und Letzlichen: III. Corollarii loco: Eine Instruction und
Unterweisung zum General-Bass ...
URL:
   [10]https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView
   .action?institutionalItemId'553versionNumber=1
   
Author:Herbst, Johann, Andreas (1588 - 1666)
   
   
Publication Name: [Tablature for guitar and lute. Manuscript
of the second half of the 17th century.]
URL:
   [11]https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView
   .action?institutionalItemId'552versionNumber=1
   
   
   
Publication Name: Sonata No 1 lia mazhor dlia
skripki (ili alta) s fortepiano. Partiia
alta v perelozhenii V. Borisovskogo i M. Reitikha.
Sonata no. 1, A major, for violin (or viola) and piano. The
part of viola arr. by V. Borisovsky and M. Reitikh.
URL:
   [12]https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView
   .action?institutionalItemId'551versionNumber=1
   
Composer:Gedike, Aleksandr, Fedorovich (1877 - 1957)
   
   
Enjoy!
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   2. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   3. mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net
   4. http://www.christopherwilke.com/
   5. mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net
   6. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   7. mailto:nore...@ur.rochester.edu
   8. mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net
   9. 
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId'554versionNumber=1
  10. 
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId'553versionNumber=1
  11. 
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId'552versionNumber=1
  12. 
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId'551versionNumber=1
  13. mailto:urresearch-h...@rochester.edu
  14. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Guitar and Lute MS from Sibley Digital

2013-11-21 Thread Arthur Ness

I recall that some pieces appear in two versions, lute and guitar.
- Original Message - 
From: nore...@ur.rochester.edu

To: arthurjn...@verizon.net
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 1:00 AM
Subject: New UR Research Publications for dates: 11/20/2013 - 11/21/2013

New publications are available in the UR Research collections you have 
subscribed to

New publications in Musical Scores: 4

Publication Name: Dictionaire harmonique, ou Guide sur pour la vraie 
modulasion. Par F. Geminiani. Dictionarium harmonicum, of Zeekere wegwyzer 
tot de waare modulatie ...
URL: 
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=27554versionNumber=1

Author:Geminiani, Francesco (1687 - 1762)

Publication Name: Arte prattica  poetica, Das ist: Ein kurtzer Unterrricht 
wie man einen Contrapunct machen und Componiren sol lernen (in Zehen Bücher 
abgetheilet) sehr kürtz- und leichtlich zu begreiffen; So vor diesem von 
Giov. Chiodino Latein- und Italienisch beschrieben worden. Dessgleichen: II. 
Ein kurtzer Tractat und Unterricht/ wie man einen Contrapunct à mente, non 
à penna, Das ist: Im Sinn/ und nicht mit der Feder Componiren und setzen 
solle: Und Letzlichen: III. Corollarii loco: Eine Instruction und 
Unterweisung zum General-Bass ...
URL: 
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=27553versionNumber=1

Author:Herbst, Johann, Andreas (1588 - 1666)

Publication Name: [Tablature for guitar and lute. Manuscript of the second 
half of the 17th century.]
URL: 
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=27552versionNumber=1

Publication Name: Sonata No 1 li︠a︡ mazhor dli︠a︡ skripki (ili alʹta) s 
fortepʹi︠a︡no. Partii︠a︡ alʹta v perelozhenii V. Borisovskogo i M. 
Reĭtikha. Sonata no. 1, A major, for violin (or viola) and piano. The part 
of viola arr. by V. Borisovsky and M. Reitikh.
URL: 
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=27551versionNumber=1

Composer:Gedike, Aleksandr, Fedorovich (1877 - 1957)

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[LUTE] Indexes to Digital Collections

2013-11-21 Thread Arthur Ness

   Try Harvards Online Resources for Music Scholars

   [1]http://hcl.harvard.edu/research/guides/biblio/onmusic/hclweb/view/fu
   ll

   Margaret Ericson

   From: David Day [mailto:david_...@byu.edu]
   Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:54 PM

   In the MusRef database I have indexed 223 digital music collections
   that are available for free online. Here is the link:

   [2]http://atom.lib.byu.edu/musref/f/+category~Music+Collection+Online+

   Please let me know if I have overlooked anything that should be
   included.

   David Day

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References

   1. http://hcl.harvard.edu/research/guides/biblio/onmusic/hclweb/view/full
   2. http://atom.lib.byu.edu/musref/f/+category~Music+Collection+Online+


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[LUTE] Re: Squarcialupi Codex

2013-11-17 Thread Arthur Ness

   The Squarcialupi Codex is a famous, central source for music of the
   Italian Trecento.  With over 350 pieces, it is one of the most
   beautiful music manuscripts to come down to us. I find the music of
   that period especially attractive. Do an  image Google search on
   Squarcialupi for sample pages, including one depicting Francesco
   Landini playing a portative organ.



   Use the World Catalogue to find a library near you having a copy.  It
   is the type of item that most good music libraries will hold in one
   form or another.  E.g., in (1) the facsimile cited by OMI (ed. Alberto
   Gallo), in (2) microfilm, or (3) in the complete(?) transcription by
   Johannes Wolf (publ. 1955).



   Here is a description of the Wolf edition including a list of titles
   and composers (some with portraits):
   [1]http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/681439864



   The World Catalogue is a wonderful resource.  It shows that in the
   Boston area there are about 15 libraries holding the codex in one form
   or another (eight own the $2500 color facsimile, which is an indication
   of its importance).

   - Original Message -
   From: Sean Smith [2]lutesm...@mac.com
   To: lute [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 8:19 PM
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Squarcialupi Codex

   
Does your friend have deep pockets? OMI in New York appears to have
   it
on their website ... listed at 2400 Euros but call for their special
price.
   
[4]http://www.omifacsimiles.com/brochures/squar.html
   
Sean
   
On Nov 16, 2013, at 2:09 PM, [5]co...@medievalist.org wrote:
   
Dear Collected Wisdom, I have a friend who is looking for a
   facsimile
of the Squarcialupi Codex. Does anyone know if this is available
anywhere?
   
Thank you,
Craig Allen
   
   
   
   
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   3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   4. http://www.omifacsimiles.com/brochures/squar.html
   5. mailto:co...@medievalist.org
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Cologne lute MS?

2013-11-07 Thread Arthur Ness

   Thank you, Bernd. Yes, but the shelf-number is Ms. 5.P.171 (olim, Ms.
   1.N.68).  See Christian Meyer et al., **Sources manuscrits en
   Tabulature,** vol. 2 (Deutschland), 150-51.  I was remiss in not
   checking Peter Steur's valuable inventory of baroque lute sources!





   - Original Message -
   From: Bernd Haegemann [1]b...@symbol4.de
   To: William Samson [2]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk
   Cc: [3]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 8:32 PM
   Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Cologne lute MS?

Is it this?
   
   
   [4]http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1type=msms=D-KNulangTHushowms
   s=1
   
   [5]http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1type=msms=D-KNulangTHushowm
   ss=1
   
   
   
Am 31.10.2013 19:10, schrieb William Samson:
Dear collective wisdom,
   
You're probably aware of the 'Lautenbuch Livre pour le lut
   Koeln, 18.
Jahrhundert' published by Schott ED5425, edited by Giesbert
   perhaps in
the 1930s
   
There's some nice stuff in there and I was trying to learn more
   about
the original MS.  Apparently it was held in the
   Stadtsbibliotheque in
Cologne, but I can find no mention of it anywhere apart from the
   Schott
publication.
   
I know that there were hundreds of bombing raids against Cologne
   in the
second world war.  Perhaps it was destroyed at that time?
   
Does anybody know any more about this MS?
   
Thanks,
   
Bill
   
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   3. mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   4. 
http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1type=msms=D-KNulang%C3%9Eushowmss=1
   5. 
http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1type=msms=D-KNulang%C3%9Eushowmss=1
   6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Cologne lute MS?

2013-10-31 Thread Arthur Ness

   Apparently it's at the Universitaets- und Stadtbibliothek, Koeln,
   **Liure pour le lut / Pour Le Lut theorbe,  MS 1.N.68  ([before
   1976:]  MS 5.P.177). 109 folios (many blank). It's in Boetticher's RISM
   inventory, page 151.  Also listed in Pohlmann (5th ed.), p. 144 (MS 1.
   / V.68 sic: /V; can't read his own  handwriting). Giesbert's edition,
   which is just a **selection** of pieces in transcription and
   tablature(!) appeared in 1965.  I think I also saw a reference in the
   USB's online catalogue.  Also to a microfilm (do they just have a
   microfilm?).  There was another manuscript in that library which had
   pieces by Diomedes Cato and that one is missing.



   You should inquire at the library.  Let us know what you discover.

   - Original Message -
   From: William Samson [1]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk
   To: [2]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 2:10 PM
   Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Cologne lute MS?

  Dear collective wisdom,
   
  You're probably aware of the 'Lautenbuch Livre pour le lut Koeln,
   18.
  Jahrhundert' published by Schott ED5425, edited by Giesbert perhaps
   in
  the 1930s
   
  There's some nice stuff in there and I was trying to learn more
   about
  the original MS.  Apparently it was held in the Stadtsbibliotheque
   in
  Cologne, but I can find no mention of it anywhere apart from the
   Schott
  publication.
   
  I know that there were hundreds of bombing raids against Cologne in
   the
  second world war.  Perhaps it was destroyed at that time?
   
  Does anybody know any more about this MS?
   
  Thanks,
   
  Bill
   
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[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi

2013-10-16 Thread Arthur Ness

   Dear Eugene,



   I did not say RV 532 (G major) and RV 558 (C major) are the same work.
   The ISMLP editor alleges a second version of RV 532. Take a look at
   his/her entries for RV 532 and scroll down to the red band.  There the
   ISMLP editor explains that RV 532 appears with an alternate title,
   citing H. C. Robbins Landon, Vivaldi: Voice of the Baroque (Chicago,
   1996), page 72.  Here is what R Landon wrote:



  Everyone has supposed that Marcello was lampooning
   Vivaldi's extravagantly orchestrated

   concertos, such as the 'Concerto con Due Flauti, Due Teorbi,
   Due Mandolini, Due Salmo,

   Due Violini in Tromba Marina et un Violoncello' (RV 532),
   performed at the Piet`a . . . in 1740.



   Is Robbins Landon confused? RV 558 also uses pairs of flauti, teorbi,
   mandolini, salme, violini in tromba marina and a 'cello.  Hardly every
   imaginable solist, as you suggest (cf. RV 555).



   Vivaldi also composed three concertos for violino in tromba marina (RV
   211, 311 and 313).  This fiddle-like instrument, which was popular at
   the Piet`a, has three strings tied to a floating bridge, which produces
   a raspy sound according to Michael Talbot.  There are several articles
   detailing with Vivaldi's use of exotic musical instruments.  Check
   JSTOR.



   ajn.

   - Original Message -
   From: Braig, Eugene [1]brai...@osu.edu
   To: Lute List [2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 2:50 PM
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Vivaldi

FYI, the concerto in G for two mandolins (RV 532) is a different work
   than the truly grosso grosso in C naming every imaginable soloist (RV
   558).
   
Best,
Eugene
   
-Original Message-
From: [3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]
   On Behalf Of Arthur Ness
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 1:15 PM
To: Mayes, Joseph; Lute List
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Vivaldi
   
It's available in the International Music Library Project (EU):
   
   
   [4]http://imslp.org/index.php?titleEtegory:Vivaldi%2C%20Antoniofrom=C
   
   
   [5]http://imslp.eu/download.php?file=files/imglnks/euimg/8/81/IMSLP1349
   24-PMLP237520-Vivaldi_Concerto_2mandolins_RV532.pdf
   
This score is clearer and has PARTS:
   
   
   [6]http://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks/usimg/0/0e/IMSLP288061-PMLP23752
   0-Concerto-2Bandolins.pdf
   
But notice the original instrumentation includes 2 Salmo
   (=chalumeaux),
2 theorbos and the violins are designated violini in tromba
   marina.  (See the red stripe.)  The comment that the Malipiero score
   is urtext is misuse of the term!
   
I have never discovered convincing explanation about what violini in
   tromba marina are.  I know what a tromba marina is, but violini?  The
   best explanation is that one plays the notes in harmonics. In the solo
   sections??? Any other explanation?  I don't buy the explanation by
    that they are to be played on board a ship.g
   
Both are the Malipiero edition and I didn't see figures.  But he has
   realized the continuo in the organ part and that will assist to
   determine the harmonies.  Malipiero, the usual Collected Edition of
   Vivaldi's instrumental works, is over edited in my opinion.  In this
   case, given the original intrumentation, it is under-edited.g
   
Best wishes to you and  Kathleen,
   
Arthur
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   [9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:06 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Vivaldi
   
   
Two of my students are playing the G major concerto for two
   mandolins.
They'd like me to play continuo on my archlute. Does anyone know
   where a
bass part (with or without figures) could be obtained?
   
Thanks,
   
Joseph Mayes
   
   
   
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   5. 
http://imslp.eu/download.php?file=files/imglnks/euimg/8/81/IMSLP134924-PMLP237520-Vivaldi_Concerto_2mandolins_RV532.pdf
   6. 
http://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks/usimg/0/0e/IMSLP288061-PMLP237520-Concerto-2Bandolins.pdf
   7. mailto:ma...@rowan.edu
   8. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com
   9. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
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[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi

2013-10-13 Thread Arthur Ness


It's available in the International Music Library Project (EU):

http://imslp.org/index.php?title=Category:Vivaldi%2C%20Antoniofrom=C

http://imslp.eu/download.php?file=files/imglnks/euimg/8/81/IMSLP134924-PMLP237520-Vivaldi_Concerto_2mandolins_RV532.pdf

This score is clearer and has PARTS:

http://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks/usimg/0/0e/IMSLP288061-PMLP237520-Concerto-2Bandolins.pdf

But notice the original instrumentation includes 2 Salmo (=chalumeaux),
2 theorbos and the violins are designated violini in tromba marina.  (See
the red stripe.)  The comment that the Malipiero score is urtext is misuse
of the term!

I have never discovered convincing explanation about what violini in
tromba marina are.  I know what a
tromba marina is, but violini?  The best explanation is that one plays the
notes in harmonics. In the solo sections??? Any other explanation?  I don't
buy the explanation by  that they are to be played on board a ship.g

Both are the Malipiero edition and I didn't see figures.  But he has
realized the continuo in the organ part and that will assist to determine
the harmonies.  Malipiero, the usual Collected Edition of  Vivaldi's
instrumental works, is over edited in my opinion.  In this case, given the
original intrumentation, it is under-edited.g

Best wishes to you and  Kathleen,

Arthur
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To: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com; Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:06 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Vivaldi



Two of my students are playing the G major concerto for two mandolins.
They'd like me to play continuo on my archlute. Does anyone know where a
bass part (with or without figures) could be obtained?

Thanks,

Joseph Mayes



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[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi

2013-10-13 Thread Arthur Ness

From: Arthur Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net
To: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Vivaldi

Hello Howard,

I was relying on Robbin Landon, as quoted in the entry for RV 558 (G
major), cited here at the red band:

http://imslp.org/wiki/Concerto_for_2_Mandolins_in_G_major,_RV_532_(Vivaldi,_Antonio)

But I checked the cited page 72 in Robbins Landon, and he does not give
the key, just the instrumentation in modern Italian.  He was probably
referring to the C major concerto (con molto strumenti) and the ISMLP
editor cited the wrong concerto.  I never heard it called the Noah
Concerto, but that's a good name for it.  All of the instrument are solo.

In any event, Malipiero cannot be trusted.  And I suspected some editorial
mischief as in the lute concertos.  Malipiero had a private library in
northern Italy.

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From: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com

To: lute list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 2:34 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Vivaldi

Hi Arthur:

Might you you be confusing the concerto in G, RV 532 with the Noah's
Ark (for lots of pairs of instruments) concerto in C, R 558?

On Oct 13, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Arthur Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net
wrote:

But notice the original instrumentation includes 2 Salmo
(=chalumeaux),
2 theorbos and the violins are designated violini in tromba marina.
(See
the red stripe.)  The comment that the Malipiero score is urtext is
misuse
of the term!

I have never discovered convincing explanation about what violini in
tromba marina are.  I know what a
tromba marina is, but violini?  The best explanation is that one plays
the
notes in harmonics. In the solo sections??? Any other explanation?  I
don't
buy the explanation by  that they are to be played on board a
ship.g

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[LUTE] Re: Early ornamentation

2013-09-23 Thread Arthur Ness

This might provide assistance, although for recorder. It deals with
diminutions and ornamentation. Link to a dighital copy:

[1]http://erato.uvt.nl/files/imglnks/usimg/7/76/IMSLP261644-PMLP46423-g
anassi_fontegara_bolonha.pdf

Arthur

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From: Dan Winheld [2]dwinh...@lmi.net
To: William Samson [3]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 11:05 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Early ornamentation

Capirola himself is the source of Capirola's ornaments. Two dots
ABOVE
the tab cipher (not the finger dots below) means a simple mordent-
quick
pull off to note below hammer back on. A ghost cipher made up of
dots indicates the opposite- hammer on to the dot-cipher from the
main
note followed by a pull-off back to the main note. Can't recall if
Capirola has any other ornament signs. Typical written out fully
articulated trill stuff. I always throw in some of my own ornaments,
but
with Capirola he often gives you enough.

Judenkunig I'm not familiar with. Other more learned streams of the
Lute Fountain of Holy Wisdom will no doubt supply you with more
secondary material.

Dan

On 9/21/2013 7:42 AM, William Samson wrote:
Dear Fount of All Knowledge,

I am working on some early C16 lute music (Capirola, Judenkunig
. . .)
and wonder what ornaments, if any, might be used when playing
it.

Can anybody point me at a source that might help?

Thanks,

Bill

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[LUTE] Re: Update about 'Airlines: Please stop treating instruments like luggage. If you make us check in the instruments, make sure that is handled properly.' on Change.org

2013-09-23 Thread Arthur Ness

From: [1]Arthur Ness

To: Lute List
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: Update about 'Airlines: Please stop treating instruments
like luggage. If you make us check in the instruments, make sure that
is handled properly.' on Change.org

The American Federation of Musicians has been working on this problem,
as well. They are pushing legislation in the U.S. Congress (S. 1451).
Perhaps the petition could be sent to the AFofM. You might wish to
comment on the legislation. See

Subject: Carrying Instruments on Airplanes :: Official Website of the
American Federation of Musicians
[2]http://www.afm.org/departments/legislative-office/carrying-instrumen
ts-on-airplanes

Rene may have mentioned this also. And many of you have heard it.

From Halifax, United Breaks Guitars

[3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo

Halifax is a nice town to visit.. Lots of good guitarists up there.
They send a Christmas tree to Boston for our Commons every year. For
nearly 100 years now.

ajn

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Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 4:37 PM

Subject: Update about 'Airlines: Please stop treating instruments like
luggage. If you make us check in the instruments, make sure that is
handled properly.' on Change.org

Thank you all for the support!!! I will send this not only to Hong
Kong Airline but to every other one that you could think off. Please
let me know and send some information my way!

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] The other Vallet books

2013-08-25 Thread Arthur Ness

   See the psalms and manuscript previously posted to fill out the entry.
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New UR Research Publications [Lute MS Vallet psalms]

2013-08-22 Thread Arthur Ness

   I meant to mention the Goy/Schlegel list.  It's also in Boetticher's
   RISM volume with a rather poor description.   The Vallet prints seem to
   be unknown to Souris in the modern edition of Vallet, rev. Goy. But the
   Ms. is cited.   So it's n ot entirely unknown.   ajn

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   From: Jean-Marie Poirier [1]jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr
   To: Arthur Ness [2]arthurjn...@verizon.net; Mathias Roesel
   [3]mathias.roe...@t-online.de; 'Lute List'
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   Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 10:28 AM
   Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New UR Research Publications [Lute MS 
   Vallet psalms]

Dear Arthur again,

Sorry, my mistake, the ms; IS in the Quellenlist by Goy and Schlegel
   as :

#31-US-R 186
ROCHESTER, Sibley music library (US-R), Vault M 140 V 186 S, 1640 ca

Not a lute UFO after all ;-) !

Best wishes,

Jenan-Maie

--

  Dear Jean-Marie and Matthias,

  There's not much that I can add.The manuscript is bound with
   Livre
  1 and Livre 2 of Nicolas Vallet *Secret des Muses* (Amsterdam
   1618,
  1619), and *[21] Psalmen Davids* (1619), second editions made from
  plates of the first editions.  Purchased 1933 from the great
   Berlin
  music antiquarian Leo Liepmannssohn, perhaps (I'm not certain) at
   the
  auction of the Werner Wolffheim collection.*  The Ms seems to be
   from
  the Vallet circle, since livre 2 contains concordances: Ballet (p.
  1)=Ms p. 36a and La Vallette (p. 16)=Ms p. 53 (Valette).   I
   suspect
  that a search for concordances might bring forth pieces in
   **Haslemere
  II B 18 and Prague IV G 18.

  *Head librarian Barbara Duncan attended the auction with lots of
  money.  Sibley's father was a millionaire founder of Western
   Union!

  **Formerly in the library of Brahms' friend and biographer Max
   Kalbeck
  (Vienna).   It was never in the Prussian State Library (*pace*
  Boetticher).

  Arthur

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  To: Arthur Ness [2]arthurjn...@verizon.net
  Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 12:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New UR Research Publications [Lute
   MS 
  Valet psalms]
   Thank you so much Arthur for these new links ! The second one
   (XXI
  Pseaulmes) is very circumstancial with the Vallet anniversay in
   Utrecht
  in the next few days ;-) !
   The first link (Lute MS) is quite a mine of interesting pieces
   in
  accords nouveaux. Do you have more information about this
   particular
  manuscript ?

   Thank you and best wishes,

   Jean-Marie
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  From: Mathias Roesel [3]mathias.roe...@t-online.de
  To: 'Arthur Ness' [4]arthurjn...@verizon.net; 'Lute List'
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  Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 4:24 PM
  Subject: RE: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New UR Research Publications [Lute
   MS 
  Valet psalms]

  Great, thank you so much, Arthur! That Lute music, in tablature
   on
  first glance is news to me. Is there somewhere more information to
   be
  found about it?
  Mathias
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   Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New UR Research Publications [Lute
   MS 
  Valet
   psalms]

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   Publication Name: [Lute music, in tablature].
   URL:

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   lItemId'288versionNumber=1

   Publication Name: XXI [i.e. Vingt-et-un] Pseaumes de David,
  Accommode's pour
   chanter  jouer du Luth ensemble. Par Nicolas Valet.
   URL:

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   lItemId'287versionNumber=1

   Composer:Vallet, Nicolas (1583 - 1642)

   Enjoy!
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New UR Research Publications [Lute MS Valet psalms]

2013-08-21 Thread Arthur Ness

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[LUTE] Re: now- How did Iadone play?

2013-08-13 Thread Arthur Ness


Hi Joseph!!

Here's more on Iadone with samples of his playing:

   http://lyrichord.com/theartofthelute-josephiadone.aspx

Regards, Arthur

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From: Mayes, Joseph ma...@rowan.edu

To: Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net; Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com
Cc: 'lute' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:49 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: now- How did Iadone play?



Hi Dan

I have a picture of Iadone from an old string packet. I know how
misleading pictures can be (future guitarists will look at Picasso's Blue
Guitar and be flummoxed) but his right hand looks like the archaic
bent-wrist guitar style.

I'll send the picture along if I can find it.

Best,

Joe


From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of
Dan Winheld [dwinh...@lmi.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:35 AM
To: Edward Mast
Cc: 'lute'
Subject: [LUTE] Re: now- How did Iadone play?

Hi Ed-

That's right- New York Pro Musica, Noah Greenberg. And those old heavy
but cool Passauro (Sp?) lutes. Do you know if there are any vids of him
playing? Or even still pictures somewhere? Even some ex- student's
description would help. I have largely gone over to thumb-out myself-
HIP thumb out as far as I can figure it out- too much Archlute,
Baroque lute  late Renaissance lute to stay with thumb under
exclusively; so I would like to know more about how Joe played, since
his recorded sound impressed me so much all those years ago.

Thanks!   - Dan

On 8/13/2013 6:40 AM, Edward Mast wrote:

Hi Dan,

Joseph Iadone was my first exposure to the lute.  He headed an early
music workshop that I attended for several years in Vermont (early 70's).
Lucy Cross taught there also.  And Richard Taruskin, who led us through
the early chapters of Hindemith's Elementary Training for Musicians.  I
never heard any lute solos there, just amazing ensemble music, and lute
songs, of course. (Russell Oberlin was there the first year I attended).
Joe was a truly unique player; no one played - or plays - like him.  I
actually first heard about him through my brother, who was studying bass
with him at the Hartt School of Music.  He did play with the New York Pro
Musica, founded by Noah Greenberg.  I have some of their recordings with
Joe, or Christopher Williams (one of his students) playing.  He also made
some wonderful recordings with the Renaissance Quartet.  One of the
recordings I have on CD is one he did largely himself at home, recording
all the parts to duos, trios and quartets.
The story as I've heard it is that Hindemith asked Joe to play the lute
in his collegium at Yale, so he had to teach himself how to play it.  I
think some of the information about technique he got from the
introduction to Varietie of Lute Lessons.  Thumb over (or out) but
without nails and thumb-index for single lines.

Ned




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[LUTE] Re: Petrus Fabricius

2013-07-31 Thread Arthur Ness

   Dear Josef,



   Here are some additional references, although surely Ralf Jarchow's
   facsimile and edition will supersede these references.



   Zofia Steszewska, ed., Tance polskie z tabulatur lutniowych, ii, Zrodla
   do historii muzyki (Warsaw, 1966).  8 pieces and one facs.

   Johannes Bolte, Aus dem Liederbuch des Petrus Fabricus, Alemannia 17
   (1889).

   Jenny Dieckmann, Die in deutscher Lautentabulatur ueberlieferte Taenze
   (Kassel, 1931).  List of dances and some concordances.

   Jan Olof Ruden, Per Brahes Visbok (master's thesis, U. of Uppsala,
   1962)



   - Original Message -
   From: Josef Berger [1]harpolek...@gmail.com
   To: [2]Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:19 AM
   Subject: [LUTE] Petrus Fabricius

  Hello everybody,
  does there exist any complete edition of the Petrus Fabricius
   lutebook
  (DK-Kk, MS Thott 4ADEG841), or is the only way to play his lute
   music
  an access to the facsimile in Copenhagen?
  I know don't know of any editions other than the following:
  Bolte (1887) dealt with the songs which Fabricius notated in staff
  notation, but not with his instrumental tunes notated in German
   lute
  tablature.
  Povl Hamburger (1972) published some transcribed tunes and two
   pages in
  facsimile.
  Wohlfahrt (1989) was concerned only with the poetry in the lutebook
   and
  not with the music.
  Best wishes from southern Sweden (quite close to Copenhagen,
   actually)
  Josef Berger
  ---
  References:
  Johannes Bolte (1887): Das Liederbuch des Petrus Fabricius.
   Jahrbuch
  des Vereins fA 1/4r niederdeutsche Sprachforschung XIII. pp.55-68 +
  Musikbl.
  Povl Hamburger (1972): Aoeber die InstrumentalstA 1/4cke in dem
  Lautenbuch des Petrus Fabricius. in: Festskrift Jens Peter Larsen.
  1902-14 VI-1972.
  Wilhelm Hansen Musik-Forlag, KA,benhavn. pp.35-46.
  Roland Wohlfahrt (1989): Die Liederhandschrift des Petrus
   Fabricius,
  Kgl. Bibl. Kopenhagen, Thott. 4aDEG841. Eine
   Studentenliederhandschrift
  aus dem frA 1/4hen 17. Jahrhundert und ihr Umfeld. MA 1/4nster, 712
   pp.
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[LUTE] Re: Petrus Fabricius

2013-07-30 Thread Arthur Ness

   The Fabricus Manuscript has always been towards the top of my mental
   list of lute sources deserving a facsimile.

   So it is good to hear that one is underway.   I have more information
   in response to Josef's query.  Later.



   Arthur Ness

   - Original Message -
   From: Andreas Schlegel [1]lute.cor...@sunrise.ch
   To: Josef Berger [2]harpolek...@gmail.com
   Cc: lute list [3]Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ralf Jarchow
   [4]m...@jarchow.com
   Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:41 AM
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Petrus Fabricius

Dear Josef,
   
If I remember correctly, it's Ralf Jarchow who is working on a
   facsimile - but it's not announced in his catalogue.
We have to wait.
   
Andreas
   
Am 30.07.2013 um 14:19 schrieb Josef Berger:
   
  Hello everybody,
  does there exist any complete edition of the Petrus Fabricius
   lutebook
  (DK-Kk, MS Thott 4ADEG841), or is the only way to play his lute
   music
  an access to the facsimile in Copenhagen?
  I know don't know of any editions other than the following:
  Bolte (1887) dealt with the songs which Fabricius notated in staff
  notation, but not with his instrumental tunes notated in German
   lute
  tablature.
  Povl Hamburger (1972) published some transcribed tunes and two
   pages in
  facsimile.
  Wohlfahrt (1989) was concerned only with the poetry in the
   lutebook and
  not with the music.
  Best wishes from southern Sweden (quite close to Copenhagen,
   actually)
  Josef Berger
  ---
  References:
  Johannes Bolte (1887): Das Liederbuch des Petrus Fabricius.
   Jahrbuch
  des Vereins fA 1/4r niederdeutsche Sprachforschung XIII. pp.55-68
   +
  Musikbl.
  Povl Hamburger (1972): Aoeber die InstrumentalstA 1/4cke in dem
  Lautenbuch des Petrus Fabricius. in: Festskrift Jens Peter Larsen.
  1902-14 VI-1972.
  Wilhelm Hansen Musik-Forlag, KA,benhavn. pp.35-46.
  Roland Wohlfahrt (1989): Die Liederhandschrift des Petrus
   Fabricius,
  Kgl. Bibl. Kopenhagen, Thott. 4aDEG841. Eine
   Studentenliederhandschrift
  aus dem frA 1/4hen 17. Jahrhundert und ihr Umfeld. MA 1/4nster,
   712 pp.
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[LUTE] Re: Lute in North America

2013-06-23 Thread Arthur Ness

   William Brewster, a minister and elder of the Separatist Church of
   England came to America on the Mayflower and his baggage included many
   books, as well as a lute (or two?) and Richard Alison's *The Psalmes of
   David in Metre* (1599). He lived for many years with other exiles in
   Leiden, a center of lute music in Holland (where fellow preacher Adrian
   Smout of the Thysius Lute Book lived as a student).  By the way, Alison
   is a lutenist-composer whose harmonically intense works deserve
   attention.  The solo works are available in an edition by John H.
   Robinson with fresh biographical notes by Bob Spencer.  Publ. Lute
   Society (UK).



   There is a very extensive list of musical instruments in New England in
   Colonial Society of Massachusetts, publ., *Music in Colonial
   Massachusetts, 1630-1820* 2 vols. (Boston 1980/1985), about 1200
   pages.  The census is drawn from probate and annual tax records of the
   day. (Some are  reproduced in facsimile.)  Personal property was
   inventoried annually and taxes assessed on that property.  I recall as
   a child of a similar practice in the county where I lived.



   By far the most popular instrument was cittern, more popular than
   harpsichord or flute or violin. Perhaps this is a euphemism for English
   guitar. Citterns were often stored with the linens.  A practice
   observed in England. Of plucked instruments,  I count 24 citterns, 2
   lutes, 2 gittorne and 2 guittawur.   And 20 viols. Often cittern
   owners also owned viols for consort performances.



   There is similar book on colonial music in Virginia, but I have never
   seen it.  In a small county museum in Virginia (?) is said to be
   Thomas Jefferson's lute, but someone who examined it says it is an
   English guitar. His daughter and a granddaughter played English
   guitar. The Green Mountain Boy Ethan Allen's bride Fanny  took an
   English guitar on their honeymoon.



   Arthur

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   To: Brad Walton [2]gtung.wal...@utoronto.ca; Lute List
   [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:01 PM
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute in North America

On 6/21/13 7:32 AM, Brad Walton [4]gtung.wal...@utoronto.ca
   wrote:
   
It was interesting to read of records concerning lutes in .
New England.
   
What records are you referring to? Are there records, i.e. documents,
   that
mention a lute in present day New England, or in any of the British
colonies?
   
I was once told that lutes were mentioned in a few probate records in
colonial Mass.. But that's so vague, and I have never found any
   detailed
information, like a name or date, or probate record book and page
   number,
for such records.
   
Does anyone know a specific reference to documents that mention a
   lute in
the probate (or other) records of colonial Mass. (or any other
   colony)?  I'd
really like to read these records for myself.
   
I've been doing my own research into colonial records for a few years
   now
and have been on the lookout for any mention of musical instruments.
   I've
found a few, but nothing for any lute family instruments.
   
I have found records, mostly in estate inventories, of
   fiddles/violins,
flutes, tin trumpets, a dulcimer, citterns, a hautboy - but nothing
   like a
lute.
   
Just for fun, here's an on-line reference to two court cases
   involving
citterns in 1670's Maryland. If you want to read the full text of the
   court
cases, there's a search box in the upper right corner where you can
   search
on the page number or words.
[5]http://aomol.net/01/60/html/am60p--50.html
   
   
C.Etter
   
   
   
   
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[LUTE] St_Luc_Monograph_Here_Re: New UR Research Publications for dates: 05/13/2013 - 05/14/2013

2013-05-14 Thread Arthur Ness

- Original Message - 
From: nore...@ur.rochester.edu

To: arthurjn...@verizon.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:01 AM
Subject: New UR Research Publications for dates: 05/13/2013 - 05/14/2013

New publications are available in the UR Research collections you have 
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New publications in Musical Scores: 12

Publication Name: Little journeys to the homes of great musicians. Sebastian 
Bach / written by Elbert Hubbard.
URL: 
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=26703versionNumber=1

Author:Hubbard, Elbert (1856 - 1915)

Publication Name: Grundriss der allgemeinen Musiklehre für Musiker und 
Musik-Lehranstalten. Zweites Heft.
URL: 
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=26702versionNumber=1

Author:Prosniz, Adolf (1829 - 1917)

Publication Name: Robert Schumanns Lieder in ersten und späteren Fassungen 
.. von Viktor Ernst Wolff.
URL: 
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=26701versionNumber=1

Author:Wolff, Viktor, Ernst (1889 - )

Publication Name: Jacques de Saint-Luc, luthiste athois du XVIIe siècle, 
par Edmond Van der Straeten.
URL: 
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=26700versionNumber=1

Author:Straeten, Edmond, vander (1826 - 1895)

Publication Name: Dudler und Dudler. Studien über die Anmassungen der 
Tonkunst; von einem alte Musikfreund.
URL: 
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=26699versionNumber=1

Publication Name: Entwurf einer neuen Ästhetik der Tonkunst / Ferruccio 
Busoni.
URL: 
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=26698versionNumber=1

Author:Busoni, Ferruccio (1866 - 1924)

Publication Name: Die mensterischen katholischen Kirchenliederbucher vor dem 
ersten Diözesangesangbuch 1677. Eine Unterschung ihrer textlichen Quellen 
von dr. Gustav Waters.
URL: 
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=26697versionNumber=1

Author:Waters, Gustav

Publication Name: Die Harmonik des Aristoxenianers Kleonides. Vom Oberlehrer 
Dr. Karl von Jan ...
URL: 
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=26696versionNumber=1

Author:Jan, Karl, von (1836 - 1899)

Publication Name: Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg.
URL: 
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=26695versionNumber=1

Author:Dinger, Hugo (1865 - 1941)

Publication Name: Die Mystik in Wagners Fliegendem Holländer.
URL: 
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=26694versionNumber=1

Author:Solus, Theodor

Publication Name: Joseph Haydn, door G. Keller.
URL: 
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=26693versionNumber=1

Author:Keller, G

Publication Name: Le descriptif chez Bach / Gustave Robert.
URL: 
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=26692versionNumber=1

Author:Robert, Gustave (1868 - )

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[LUTE] Re: Kohlhase-notation

2013-05-12 Thread Arthur Ness

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From: Arthur Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net

To: Stephan Olbertz stephan.olbe...@web.de
Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Baroque Lute List 
baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu

Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 2:41 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Kohlhase-notation

  Dear Stephan,

  I wouldn't necessarily call the Kohlhase notation musicological, since
  it is simply a way of notating lute music on a continuous staff, rather
  than one with the conventional break between the hands for keyboard,
  marimba and harp music.  Often erroneously called keyboard
  notation when used for lute music, this designation can result in
  misunderstanding about the nature and use of  transcriptions of
  tablature into pitch notation. And no one calls notation for marimba
  and harp, keyboard notation. Why should lute music in pitch notationm
  be called keyboard?  It's a misnomer coined by guitarist. Preferable
  is the conventional term grand staff notation.  Too frequently the
  term keyboard lute notation suggests to the uninitiated that
  the music has been arranged (adapted) for a keyboard instrument, e.g.,
  a Boesendorfer, whereas the grand staff has long been the standard
  pitch notation for lute.  And some pioneer 20th century lutenists
  seemed to have played only from pitch notation, e.g., Gerwig.

  Two world-touring lutenists told me that , when working up a piece for
  a recital or CD, they always consult a transcription, or if none is
  available, make their own.

  In recent years Thomas Kohlhase seems to be the earliest to use the
  continuous staff, with an imaginary line for middle C.  That is, 5
  (bass clef)  lines +5 (treble clef) +1 (middle C with ledgerlines)  =
  eleven lines and ten spaces::

  g __

  c ____  __   __   ___

  F __

  The reasoning behind this staff layout is that regular grand staff for
  keyboard separates the left and right hands, whereas with lute there is
  no separation, and the continuous  clef better reflects the shape of
  the music.   A leap of a ninth, F to G looks the same as a ninth, e to
  ff.
  I long thought our Doug Smith was the first to use the continuous
  clef, using it for examples in an article on Weiss in Early Music
  (1980) and then in his Weiss edition (1983 ff.), but Kohlhase was
  earlier in the New Bach Edition (1977, rev.1982), and[perhaps still
  earlier in his dissertation on Bach's lute music  of 1972.  But still
  earlier Schrade used the continuous staff in his edition of the works
  of Luis Milan (1928).  But his bizarre edition is so unique it deserves
  a separate name, Schrade Method.

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  To: Baroque lute Dmth [2]baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
  Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 11:20 AM
  Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Kohlhase-notation
   Dear all,

   do we have an earlier source for the so-called musicological
  notation of
   lute music (with a space of one ledger line between the staves) than
   Kohlhase's NBA-edition? From his foreword it seems that he invented
  it.

   Best regards

   Stephan

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[LUTE] Re: mudarra Tres libros de musica en cifras para vihuela

2013-03-13 Thread Arthur Ness

Check in the Mudarra edition ed. Emilio Pujol in Monumentos de la Música 
Española., VII (Barcelona, 1949).  All of the textx, as far as I can tell 
from a quick glance, are identified and the verses printed separately. 
This is a series that will be in most music libraries, even small ones.
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From: Leonard Williams arc...@verizon.net

To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 4:15 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: mudarra Tres libros de musica en cifras para vihuela

Thanks for this link!

Does anyone know of a source for the lyrics to Mudarra's songs?  They are
not always clear in the publications, and not being well versed in (old)
Spanish, it's difficult for me to make a good guess.

Thanks,
Leonard Williams

On 3/11/13 7:52 AM, T.Kakinami tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp wrote:

Biblioteca Digital Hispanica

Título :
Tres libros de musica en cifras para vihuela : en el primero ay musica
facil y dificil en fantasias y composturas y pauana y gallardas y algunas
fantasias para guitarra : el segũdo trata de los ocho tonos (o modos) ...
: el tercero es de musica para cantada y tañida ... Alonso Mudarra

Autor :
Mudarra, Alonso (ca. 1510-1580)

http://bdh.bne.es/bnesearch/CompleteSearch.do?field=todostext=Mudarra%2c+
AlonsoshowYearItems=exact=ontextH=advanced=falsecompleteText=pageSiz
e=1pageSizeAbrv=10pageNumber=1

*
 Toshiaki Kakinami
 E-mail :  tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp
 Blog   : http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.com
*

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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
Behalf Of rodrigo demetrio
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 7:52 PM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] mudarra Tres libros de musica en cifras para vihuela

  Hi everybody,

  I am looking for the Mudarra's Tres libros de musica en cifras para
  Vihuela facsimile. Is there a link to download a pdf version?

  thanks

  Rodrigo

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[LUTE] Re: New UR Research (Praetoriusx2 and Tinctoris)

2013-02-23 Thread Arthur Ness

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To: arthurjn...@verizon.net
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 1:04 AM
Subject: New UR Research Publications for dates: 02/22/2013 - 02/23/2013

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New publications in Musical Scores: 20

Publication Name: Ausgewählte Werke von Heironymus Praetorius.
Herausgegeben von Hugo Leichtentritt.
URL:
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=26101versionNumber=1

Author:Praetorius, Hieronymus (1560 - 1629)
Editor:Leichtentritt, Hugo (1874 - 1951)

Publication Name: Duos, Trios, Quartette, Quintette, Sextette / L. van
Beethoven ; für Pianoforte zu vier Händen arrangirt von Hugo Ulrich u.
Rob. Wittmann.
URL:
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=26100versionNumber=1

Composer:Beethoven, Ludwig, van (1770 - 1827)
Arranger:Ulrich, Hugo
Arranger:Wittmann, Robert

Publication Name: Fidelio : Oper in 2 Akten / L. van Beethoven ; für
Pianoforte zu vier Händen, bearbeitet [von F. Brissler].
URL:
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=26099versionNumber=1

Composer:Beethoven, Ludwig, van (1770 - 1827)
Arranger:Brissler, F (1818 - 1893)

Publication Name: Scènes et mélodies / musique de Martial Caillebotte.
URL:
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=26098versionNumber=1

Composer:Caillebotte, Martial (1853 - 1910)

Publication Name: 20 romances-mélodies pour jeunes filles. 1er volume.
URL:
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=26097versionNumber=1

Publication Name: Impromptu, op. 28, no. 3 / Hugo Reinhold ; edited by
Edward MacDowell.
URL:
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=26095versionNumber=1

Composer:Reinhold, Hugo (1854 - 1935)
Editor:MacDowell, Edward (1860 - 1908)

Publication Name: The dance music of Ireland / arranged by R.M. Levey.
URL:
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=26094versionNumber=1

Arranger:Levey, Richard, Michael (1811 - 1899)

Publication Name: Don Juan Maraña. Opera in three acts. Vocal score
URL:
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=26093versionNumber=1

Composer:Enna, August (1860 - 1939)

Publication Name: Le coq d'or : conte-fable ; opéra en trois actes. /
Paroles russes, d'après Pouchkine, de V. Bielsky. Paroles françaises de
M.C. Calvocoressi. Partition pour chant et piano.
URL:
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=26092versionNumber=1

Composer:Rimsky-Korsakov, Nikolay (1844 - 1908)
Author:Belʹskiĭ, Vladimir, Ivanovich
Author:Pushkin, Aleksandr, Sergeevich (1799 - 1837)
Translator:Calvocoressi, M, D (1877 - 1944)

Publication Name: The organ : writings and other utterances on its
structure, history, procural, capabilities, etc. ; with criticisms, and
depositories; preceded by an analytical consideration of general
bibliographical and catalogual construction / by John Watson Warman.
URL:
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=26091versionNumber=1

Author:Warman, John, Watson (1842 - )

Publication Name: Verzeichniss des Musikalien-Verlags von B. Schott's Söhne
in Mainz. Alphabetisch geordnet und vollständig bis Ende 1899
URL:
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Publication Name: Geschichte des Kirchenlieds und Kirchengesangs der
christlichen, insbesondere der deutschen evangelischen Kirche / von Eduard
Emil Koch.
URL:
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=26088versionNumber=1

Author:Koch, Eduard, Emil (1809 - 1871)
Author:Koch, Adolf, Wilhelm (1843 - 1912)
Author:Lauxmann, Richard (1834 - 1890)

Publication Name: The University course of music study, piano series; a
standardized text-work on music for conservatories, colleges, private
teachers and schools; a scientific basis for the granting of school credit
for music study... prepared by the editorial staff of the National Academy
of Music; editors and associate editors: Rudolph Ganz, Edwin Hughes, Charles
Dennʹee...[and others].
URL:
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=26087versionNumber=1

Author:Elson, Louis, Charles (1848 - 1920)
Author:Baltzell, W, J (1864 - 1928)

Publication Name: Grand opera in America / by Henry C. Lahee.
URL:
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=26086versionNumber=1

Author:Lahee, Henry, Charles (1856 - 1953)

Publication Name:

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Comets, asteroids and meteors today...

2013-02-16 Thread Arthur Ness

The Russian dashboard cameras were explained on one of our news broadcasts. 
It is a form of protection from drivers who deliberately cause accidents in 
order to collect insurance.  Actually that also happens here in the U.S.  I 
recall one incident about ten years ago over in Cambridge.  The perpetuators 
were charged with fraud.  In that case a chiropractor was involved to claim 
excessive damages for alleged injuries.
- Original Message - 
From: WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com

To: Arto Wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
Cc: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 6:27 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Comets, asteroids and meteors today...

SNIP

(In Russia, people are driving around with dashboard cams?)


References

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeNtCLv5cqofeature=youtu.be
2. http://vimeo.com/59757771


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[BAROQUE-LUTE] MORE_Re: New UR Research Publications (DTOe etc.)

2013-02-03 Thread Arthur Ness


The famous Trent Codices
Publication Name: Sechs [i.e. Sieben] Trienter Codices. Geistliche und
weltliche Compositionen des XV. Jahrhunderts. 1.-[7.] Auswahl
URL:
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=25629versionNumber=1

Author:Adler, Guido (1855 - 1941)
Author:Koller, Oswald (1852 - 1910)
Author:Ficker, Rudolf (1886 - 1954)
Author:Flotzinger, Rudolf


---The message is mixed up.  The Lautenmusik is in Part TWO when you open
the link below.
Publication Name: Österreichische Lautenmusik im XVI. Jahrhundert [von]
Hans Judenkünig [et al.] und Unika der Wiener Hofbibliothek. Bearbeitet von
Adolf Koczirz.
URL:
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=25628versionNumber=1

Editor:Koczirz, Adolf (1870 - 1941)
Author:Judenkünig, Hans ( - 1526)


Froberger (12 vols.)
Publication Name: Denkmäler der Tonkunst in Österreich
URL:
https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemId=25605versionNumber=1

Editor:Adler, Guido (1855 - 1941)
Editor:Schenk, Erich (1902 - 1974)


Enjoy!
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[LUTE] Re: lute iconography on the web

2013-02-02 Thread Arthur Ness


Marin has been mentioned:

Too bad that Mary Rasmussen is gone.  She would have accomplished much, as 
one can see from her start.  (See Carlone for an extended list iof sites.)



http://www.lutevoice.com/luteiconography/Page%201.html

http://www.klassiskgitar.net/imagesmain.html

http://www.musico.it/Mariagrazia_Carlone/iconografia%20musicale.htm

Martin, were you asking about Cavalcanti or about Chilesotti?  My computer 
crashed, but I saved everything except my eMail files.
- Original Message - 
From: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk

To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:29 AM
Subject: [LUTE] lute iconography on the web



Hi All,

Can someone remind me of the best sources for lute pictures on the web? 
At the moment I'm particularly interested in stripey lutes with ribs of 
different colours - is the lighter colour nearly always the edge rib, or 
is that usually the darker colour?  And is the capping strip the same 
colour as the edge rib, or the other colour?


Thanks in advance,

Martin

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[LUTE] Re: Calata de StrAmbotto

2013-01-20 Thread Arthur Ness

   Monica surely has simply forgotten about these Italian guitar pieces.

   Just four pieces in a century is virtually the same as saying there are
   no pieces.g:



   See [1]http://purl.org/rism/BI/1549/39  Sigs, Gg24v-Hh1v (last two
   pages)
   HMB is mistaken when he cites Barberiis's print having four fantasias
   for
   seven-course guitar.  It is seven strings arranged in four courses.
   The
   fantasias are of rather light specific gravity, and the title fantasia
   may refer to
   their being in the style of improvisations.  One is built over the
   Bergamasca formula and
   another has a drone.   Liber Decimo refers to Book X in Scotto's
   series of
   lute books (Barberiis published 5 books, not 10; the other 5 are by
   Francesco  Borrono, Rotta, da Crema).
   The lute pieces include varied versions of Francesco ricercars.  One
   curious
   piece titled Pas de mon bon compagni is Passe tyme with goode
   companye,
   often attributed Henry VIII. (HMB missed it, toosigh; how did it get
   to Italy???)



   Of course the tune is not original, but the widely disseminated De mon
   triste by Richafort and intabulated by Francesco and used in a parody
   ricercar by Francesco and in a parody of Francesco's ricercar by his
   student Perino Fiorentino (both publ. in the HUP edition.)  The tune
   served many purposes, including a Lutheran chorale harmonized by Bach,
   and Charlotte found it in a hymnal in the native American Huron
   language.  There may be some 30 pieces which use the tune.
   - Original Message -
   From: Monica Hall [2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
   To: Sean Smith [3]lutesm...@mac.com
   Cc: Lutelist [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 5:22 PM
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Calata de Strombotti
Yes - there is no Italian repertoire for the renaissance guitar at
   all
really.   It would be nice to have one - so keep building.
   
Another interesting thing is that  as far as I have been able to
   discover
there are no other calatas except Dalza's in the 16th century - does
anyone
know of any? - but
the calata re-surfaces in some early 17th century Italian guitar
books - notably
those of Montesardo and Costanzo.
   
Monica
   
   
- Original Message -
From: Sean Smith [5]lutesm...@mac.com
To: lute [6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 6:08 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Calata de Strombotti
   
   
   
Thanks, Monica. You've saved me search through HMB at any rate.
   
I suspect it's one of the  strombotti/ frottole somewhere in the
Tromboncino intabulations as are Poi che'l ciel and Poi che volse
   but he
doesn't do us the favor of naming it. It's certainly set up like a
frottole w/ its two sections and light approach.
   
While there are just _so_  many it is fun to search through them.
   Btw,
I've been setting some for lute and/or ren. guitar and they can fit
   very
nicely. It's a shame we don't have any extant guitar repertory from
   the
time so I've been trying to build one.
   
Sean
   
   
On Jan 19, 2013, at 9:39 AM, Monica Hall wrote:
   
Well - Brown doesn't seem to say anything about it but my Harvard
Dictionary of Music describes  the Strambotto thus-
   
A verse form popular among Italian improvisers in the 15th century
   and
taken over into the repertory of the frottola.   It consists of a
   single
stanza of eight hendecasyllabic lines etc.Musical settings
   often
have only two phrases each repeated four times in alternationa
separate phrase for the final couplet may be included...
   
Perhaps Dalza's Calata is in the form of a strambotto...The Calata
   is an
early 16th century dance form.
   
Hope that information is of some use.
   
Monica
   
- Original Message - From: Sean Smith
   [7]lutesm...@mac.com
To: lute [8]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 5:13 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Calata de Strombotti
   
   
   
Dear folks,
   
In Dalza on 44v there's a Calata de strombotti. Could anyone tell
   me
which strombotti this is? I'm afraid I don't have HMBrown's
   Instrumental
Music before 1600 which would probably tell me.
   
My appreciation in advance,
Sean
   
   
   
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References

   1. http://purl.org/rism/BI/1549/39
   2. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
   3. mailto:lutesm...@mac.com
   4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   5. mailto:lutesm...@mac.com
   6. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   7. mailto:lutesm...@mac.com
   8. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Calata de StrAmbotto

2013-01-20 Thread Arthur Ness


The link is at the very bttom.
- Original Message - 
From: Arthur Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net

To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk; Sean Smith lutesm...@mac.com
Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 5:21 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Calata de StrAmbotto



  Monica surely has simply forgotten about these Italian guitar pieces.

  Just four pieces in a century is virtually the same as saying there are
  no pieces.g:



  See [1]http://purl.org/rism/BI/1549/39  Sigs, Gg24v-Hh1v (last two
  pages)snip
References

  1. http://purl.org/rism/BI/1549/39
  2. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
  3. mailto:lutesm...@mac.com
  4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
  5. mailto:lutesm...@mac.com
  6. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
  7. mailto:lutesm...@mac.com
  8. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
  9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html





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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: La prima sera in NYp-MYO: composer and structure?

2013-01-14 Thread Arthur Ness


It looks like a ligated (joined) NB, the abbreviation for Nota Bene.
The last down stroke on N and the downstroke on B are the same.
That's what the facsimile looks like, as far as I can tell.

I've seen NB in the K'berg manuscript to draw attention to pieces for
ensemble of
two - four lutes.  (I'm not suggesting it indicated a duet here.  Cannot
find my notes on the NY manuscripts.)

ajn
- Original Message - 
From: Arto Wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi

To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 3:29 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: La prima sera in NYp-MYO: composer and
structure?



In case someone wants to investigate the original title, you can see it
here:
   http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/NB.JPG

Any clarifications?

Arto

On 11/01/13 21:05, Arto Wikla wrote:

Dear baroque musicians,

I just tubed the curious La prima sera by NB (or AB?) in the ms.
US-NYpMYO. Who (or what) could this NB be? I could not find info of
that in the nice edition of the ms. by Michael Treder (Tree 2012). Maybe
I did not read his analysis enough - my reading German is very slow...
Anyone remembers some active composer N.B. or A.B. in Vienna around 1700?
Not necessarily lutenist, for NB could also be the composer of the song?
And what about the song? Anyone happens to know,where it comes from?

My plays are in
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_hEcbr6xr0feature=youtu.be
  http://vimeo.com/57226475

Another interesting(?) question about the form of the piece (aria?):

The piece has a short A part, four measures.
The B part has three sections, b1 (4 bars), b2 (2 bars), b3 (2 bars).
There are some repeat marks (well, who knows, what they actually
are...;)

The written form is:
  A :|: b1 |: b2 |: b3 :|

I played it like this:
  A A b1 b2 b2 b3 b3 b1 b2 b2 b3 b3 A A

So I took the b2 as an inside the B repeat, and the b3 as the petite
reprise.

Perhaps the B part should be
   b1 b2 b3 b2 b3 b3?
So, first a longer petite reprise and then a shorter petite reprise?

Repeating the A at the end just felt right. There is strong sense of a
da capo aria in this piece, at least to my understanding. No clues of
that in the ms., though...

For some reason or another, Michael T. has left out the repeat marks(?)
of the B part in his edition.

all the best,

Arto



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