[LUTE] Re: Samuel Pepys
I read his diary many years ago. I think the fact that he ended quite a number of entries with "Beat my wife. And so to bed." pretty much sums up his attitude. Stephen Fryer On 2018-08-12 2:50 PM, G. C. wrote: I just found out, that SP was the Harvey Weinstein of the 1660s! They obviously had no #metoo campaigns in those days. And completely different men-women relationships. It's quite strange to read his coded sexual passages in a spanish/french/latin mishmash. And the complete diary including those passages is hard to find. Though there is tis page: [1]http://www.pepys.info/bits2.html He's been mentioned often for his relevance in describing the music scene in Charles II reign (another oversexed regent apparently). Has anyone here seen the BBC2 television movie from 2003 "The private life of Samuel Pepys"? I'd very much like to see it. Best G. -- References 1. http://www.pepys.info/bits2.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Meaning of title "Silva de Sirenas"
"Wood (forest) of the Sirens" On 2018-04-11 1:36 PM, Jurgen Frenz wrote: Hello there, another thread on this list motivated me to ask - the title of Valderrabano's publication "Silva de Sirenas" renders if latin was the source language "Arctic Forest" which I would find hard to believe and _nothing_ when setting Google translate to Spanish as source. artic google.png Hence my suspicion that 500 year old Spanish was using words differently. But what does the title mean in English (German/French) today? Would anybody know? Thanks for helping, best wishes Jurgen -- "There is a voice that doesn't use words. Listen." JalÄl ad-DÄ«n Muhammad Rumi To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: meantone tuning tech
I remember being rather excited when I saw in an old painting of a lute that at least one of the frets had a sliver of wood inserted to tighten it. Unfortunately I have lost the reference. Stephen Fryer On 2018-03-09 4:55 AM, Tristan von Neumann wrote: How would you tighten the frets? I tried burning off the knot a bit more so it pulls together. Does work sometimes. I could put pieces of matches under the fret, but that's cheating :) Am 09.03.2018 um 05:09 schrieb spiffys84121: It is quite easy to tighten frets when they become loose. It baffles me when I see lutes with shims on several frets. Changing your frets when they are loose is like changing your shoe laces every time they become loose. Just tighten those frets! Sterling Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original message From: Tristan von Neumann <tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> Date: 3/8/18 6:28 PM (GMT-07:00) To: lutelist Net <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Subject: [LUTE] Re: meantone tuning tech My frets move even if I don't want them to move... at least after some time. Maybe my knots are not good enough. But once you move them, they become loose. Actually I find some differences in tone very appealing. Even if some pieces sound dark or harsh, I try to think of it as color and not a flaw. I don't know how this was in different climate zones of Europe, but is there a region where Lutes are always in tune, considering the "Little Ice Age" of course, not today's reemerging from it. But with gut and mostly difficult weather conditions back then, I might want to think that we're already in Lute Heaven with being able to choose our room temperature and even avoid gut strings if you're ok with it... I sometimes wonder who Archicembali were kept in tune... Am 08.03.2018 um 18:39 schrieb Daniel Shoskes: > I don’t have OUP access so can’t read the entire review, but would be rather surprised to have a criticism boil down to Dolata's thesis was “the frets can move so they must have moved”. I read the book a couple of years ago but glancing through it again there is a balanced and measured weighing of evidence including iconography, spacing of historical fixed fret instruments and multiple vihuela, viol and lute sources including Galilei. If someone can share the entire review with me I would be happy to re-evalutate and reconsider. For me personally, spending most of my plucking in the d minor tuning world, equal temperament is the norm. > > Returning to the original question of the original poster, the book contains practical advice for tuning in meantone temperaments using the ear and/or a commercial electronic tuner and deals with pros and cons for solo and ensemble players. > > Danny > >> On Mar 8, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Andreas Schlegel <lute.cor...@sunrise.ch> wrote: >> >> There’s a different view here: >> A. Otterstedt, Fretting about tuning (review of D. Dolata, Meantone temperaments on lutes and viols, Bloomington und Indiana, 2016), in: Early Music, cax101, https://doi.org/10.1093/em/cax101 >> >> Andreas >> >>> Am 08.03.2018 um 16:09 schrieb Daniel Shoskes <kidneykut...@gmail.com>: >>> >>> For an excellent book by a musicologist and busy lute performer (solo and continuo), I highly recommend “Meantone Temperaments on Lutes and Viols” by David Dolata. Indiana University Press 2016. History covered in part 1, theory in part 2 and practicalities in part 3 (by ear and using a tuning device). >>> >>> goo.gl/9Aewv2 <http://goo.gl/9Aewv2> >>> >>> >>>> On Mar 8, 2018, at 9:54 AM, Matthew Daillie <dail...@club-internet.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>> I totally agree with Martin Shepherd (indeed two of our messages said the same thing) but what is the valid point Ron was making ?? >>>> >>>> Leonard's original post was a question about his method for tuning 1/4 comma meantone, not whether it was appropriate or not to use it on lutes, a can of worms I certainly did not wish to open (personally I use both equal and 1/5 comma mean-tone on my lutes). >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Matthew >>>> >>>> >>>> On 08/03/2018 15:31, Martyn Hodgson wrote: >>>>> Ron and Martin have valid points - in particular the advocacy of a true >>>>> meantone is something of a chimera on the lute. Indeed, this matter of >>>>> non-equal temperament on lutes has been considered on this forum a >>>>> number of times before - just search the archives. For example this >>>>> some seven years ago (and quite a few much more recently): >>>>> * [1]Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >>> >>> -- >> >> Andreas Schlegel >> Eckstr. 6 >> CH-5737 Menziken >> Festnetz +41 (0)62 771 47 07 >> Mobile +41 (0)78 646 87 63 >> lute.cor...@sunrise.ch >> >> >> >> >> -- > > > >
[LUTE] Re: Shorter emails
It is considered basic courtesy (or was). Stephen Fryer On 2017-09-05 6:44 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote: On Sep 6, 2017, at 7:40 AM, G. C. <kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: Is there no way to get the messages slimmer? Sure. Just as I have trimmed your message, every individual can cut out unnecessary repetition of previous emails. I’m with you. Ed Durbrow To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Shorter emails
People could simply edit out the extraneous material when replying. It isn't difficult. Stephen Fryer On 2017-09-05 4:26 PM, G. C. wrote: No, Please, Wayne, that would be to destroy eventually long, but interesting mails, and would infringe. It is not the size, its the redundancy I'm talking about, which could perhaps somehow be reduced, so the postings become easier to scan To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Neusidler Introduction
Is there somewhere available an English translation of Hans Neusidler's introduction to his 1536 edition (or possibly the 1549 edition)? Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Android app for tablature
Is anyone aware of an android app for lute tablature? Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: When Daffodils Begin to Peer
On 10/12/2015 4:21 PM, Geoff Gaherty wrote: On 2015-12-10 4:34 PM, co...@medievalist.org wrote: Does anyone have or otherwise know where I can find the music for the subject song? Thank you. Ross Duffin's book, Shakespeare's Songbook, has melodies for all the songs quoted in Shakespeare. http://www.amazon.com/Shakespeares-Songbook-Ross-W-Duffin/dp/0393058891 Geoff You could also try these sources: http://www.amazon.ca/Songs-Shakespeares-Plays-Popular-Time/dp/0825600685/ref=sr_1_cc_8?s=aps=UTF8=1449790954=1-8-catcorr=songs+from+shakespeare http://boosey.epartnershub.com/When-Daffodils-Begin-To-Peer-9426.aspx Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Paduane in Triple Time
On 04/07/2015 6:34 AM, Edward Chrysogonus Yong wrote: I'm working on 'Une m'avoit promis' from Le Roy's Second Book for guitar, and rather puzzled. It's marked as 'Paduane' but has a 3, and is barred as three beats to the bar. Aren't pavanes always in duple time? Confused, Edward Possibly parallel to marches in 3/4 time? Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Cambridge goes on-line.
On 21/01/2015 4:42 PM, Robert Clair wrote: http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/crown-jewels-of-english-lute-music-go-online?utm_medium=emailutm_source=alumnewsletter http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/crown-jewels-of-english-lute-music-go-online?utm_medium=emailutm_source=alumnewsletter Apologies if someone already posted this. …Bob Is there a URL somewhere to access the collection? Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Is high-gloss quieter?
On 17/01/2015 11:47 AM, Herbert Ward wrote: Would the high-gloss version make less noise when the right hand fingers slide around on the soundboard incident to playing? My sound board is not varnished (I'm not sure if it has any sort of finish on it) but my little finger moving a little on it soesn't seem to produce any noticeable noise. Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Luciano Faria CITES documentation
On 24/03/2014 12:40 PM, Tobiah wrote: On 03/24/2014 12:29 PM, Dmitry Medvedev wrote: Well, I can use it as much as I like, as long as I don't take it across the border. As far as I understood, CITES is concerned only with international import/export... Interesting. How do they determine that the wood is actually one of the regulated species? Do they have a test, or are there agents that are trained in wood identification? Toby Guilty until proven innocent. If you can't prove it isn't then it is. Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Capriola Lute Book on Ebay
On 30/12/2013 7:02 PM, Steve Ramey wrote: Just stumbled onto a Capriola lute book up for auction on eBay currently, should anyone be interested. http://www.ebay.com/itm/LUTE-BOOK-c-1517-COMPOSITIONE-DI-MESER-VINCENZO -CAPIROLA-1955-MUSIC-BOOK-/231126603039?pt=Antiquarian_Collectiblehash =item35d038151f Cheers, Steve It's also available as a free PDF scan (70 MB) at IMSLP: http://imslp.org/wiki/Capirola_Lutebook_%28Capirola,_Vincenzo%29 Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Christmas
Merry Christmas to all my friends. I hope Christmas will be truly wonderful for you all! Stephen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chilesotti?
On 17/12/2013 10:02 AM, Thomas Schall wrote: It's 9 PDF files: http://lautenist.de/chilesotti1.pdf http://lautenist.de/chilesotti2.pdf http://lautenist.de/chilesotti3.pdf http://lautenist.de/chilesotti4.pdf http://lautenist.de/chilesotti5.pdf http://lautenist.de/chilesotti6.pdf http://lautenist.de/chilesotti7.pdf http://lautenist.de/chilesotti8.pdf http://lautenist.de/chilesotti9.pdf Thanks! And that's still not all 99 of them! Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Facsimile?
I am trying to find a facsimile of the lute music contained in GB-En K.33b which I believe is on folios 66 and 67. Any leads would be appreciated. Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness
Why does it frighten you? Stephen Fryer On 07/08/2013 11:15 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: That's one scary thought. RT On 8/7/2013 10:28 PM, t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: Why not lutes? Get the SCA involved! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness
Well if you're afraid to get that close, you must be pretty scared of them. Stephen Fryer On 08/08/2013 2:00 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: It doesn't, but I don't have any poles over 10' here. RT On 8/8/2013 4:55 PM, Stephen Fryer wrote: Why does it frighten you? Stephen Fryer On 07/08/2013 11:15 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: That's one scary thought. RT On 8/7/2013 10:28 PM, t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: Why not lutes? Get the SCA involved! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness
Ah, I take it then that you don't have a real, valid reason. Stephen Fryer On 08/08/2013 2:25 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: No, it's just the stench that is insufferable. RT On 8/8/2013 5:23 PM, Stephen Fryer wrote: Well if you're afraid to get that close, you must be pretty scared of them. Stephen Fryer On 08/08/2013 2:00 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: It doesn't, but I don't have any poles over 10' here. RT On 8/8/2013 4:55 PM, Stephen Fryer wrote: Why does it frighten you? Stephen Fryer On 07/08/2013 11:15 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: That's one scary thought. RT On 8/7/2013 10:28 PM, t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: Why not lutes? Get the SCA involved! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness
On 05/08/2013 11:54 AM, t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: The attitude of violinists, etc. who prefer Brahms seems to be one of disdain for EM. Of course, as one who prefers EM, I feel the same way about Brahms, etc. We used to have a small EM ensemble here, mostly because we enjoyed getting together to play music. Every spring for a number of years we presented a concert which was generally well received, i.e. we filled our small hall. One year it turned out that the Music Academy had a concert scheduled for the same evening, which we hadn't realized when we set the date. We still filled the hall. When our group disbanded (for various reasons) people were disappointed that we were not putting on our usual concert and kept asking about it. So there are some places where EM (and lute) draw some interest. Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute painting
On 04/02/2013 5:54 AM, William Samson wrote: I wonder what the layout of the upper head of this lute might be? [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/icon/party-1.gif Artist Jacopo Vignale, early 17th Century. The painting raises another question for me: lute straps. I've seen pictures of them used on some of the large baroque lutes, but are there any images of lute straps in use earlier and on smaller lutes? Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: English in the time of Dowland.
On 30/12/2012 9:27 AM, Herbert Ward wrote: Suppose one were interested in learning to speak English with an accent approximating that that Dowland might have had, with the idea that this might help him understand Dowland's music better. How would one proceed? A couple of sources to start from thought they go rather beyond the tiny snippet that you are asking for): McGee, Timothy, ed. _Singing Early Music: The Pronunciation of European Languages in the Late Middle Ages and Renaissance_ [With CD] Indiana University Press, 1996 ISBN 0253329612 or pbk. 0253210267 A web site that may be of interest is 'The Great Vowel Shift': http://eweb.furman.edu/~mmenzer/gvs/ which covers the changes in English pronunciation from 1300 to 1700 with lots of examples and sound files. Would any modern British accents be close? I always take any such claims with a large sack of salt. Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: looking for a painting
On 30/05/2012 2:44 PM, David van Ooijen wrote: Cannot seem to find it: Woman tuning her lute. Seen from the back. Not much clothing. Perhaps it is this one? http://www.superstock.com/stock-photos-images/1075-199 Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Pronunciation of Fuenllana's name.
On 27/03/2012 5:42 AM, Herbert Ward wrote: Is Fuenllana pronunced fwayn-YANnah in analogy to the modern Spanish word fue? Or is it pronounced foo-en-YANnah, which I've heard more often? Probably fwayn-LYAN-nah Do we know much about pronunciation in the 16th centurey Spain? Yes. As a good start see _Singing Early Music_, edited by Timothy McGee, published by Indiana University Press, 1996. Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Dumps and Downes
The earliest dompe that I know of is My Lady Carey's Dompe, an English keyboard piece from around 1530 (longtime favourite of mine). Does anyone know of anything else? The Affect of these pieces (Dumps, spelled how you will, and Downs) is melancholic, but the meaning of that word has changed since the 16th c. Then it could be described as The melancholic temperament is fundamentally introverted and thoughtful. Melancholic people often were perceived as very (or overly) pondering and considerate, getting rather worried when they could not be on time for events. Melancholics can be highly creative in activities such as poetry and art - and can become preoccupied with the tragedy and cruelty in the world. Often they are perfectionists. They are self-reliant and independent; one negative part of being a melancholic is that they can get so involved in what they are doing they forget to think of others. I suppose the closest I can get in modern terms would be contemplative, meditative, thoughtful, so it could be happy or sad or neutral - as the Shakespeare quotes indicate. The delight of the pieces seems to me to lie in the contrast between the steady (plodding?) bass line and the melody playing against it. Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Some history questions
On 01/02/2012 6:08 PM, Adam Olsen wrote: Would baroque lute music have been played during a ball or masquerade? I often imagine it when I listen to the music, but it occurred to me that the lute may have been too quiet for it. While I can't speak directly for Baroque lute, certainly in the Renaissance the lute was used to accompany dancing. There is plenty of evidence for it - dance instruction manuals with lute tablature accompaniments and paintings of dancing with lute (and/or other instruments) providing the music. I think that it tended to be a quieter time generally, so the lute wasn't out of step with the times. Roman once wrote here on the same question ...they did but they shouldn't have! Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Looking for the tune Walsingham
On 06/01/2012 9:18 PM, Bruce O. Bowes wrote: I wonder if anyone knows of a simple arrangements of the tune Walsingham. I would be very grateful if you could give me some idea of where i might be able to find it or pass along a copy. There are a number of versions on sarge gerbode's site (http:// gerbode.net ) Always a good place to start when looking for lute music1 For example: http://www.gerbode.net/ft2/composers/Cosens_lute_book/8-course_arrangements/pdf/09v_walsingham.pdf Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute of the Month- UGLY!
On 14/12/2011 1:51 PM, Daniel Winheld wrote: You can't really appreciate how ugly the Arnault de Zwolle lute design is until you have one. As DT rightly observes, When you look at a copy of Arnaut's lute, it always looks a bit odd. It always seems as though something is not quite right. Some of the iconography shows lutes where the curves seem bumpy rather than smooth, similar to Arnaut's drawing. This is an interpretation built in the early 1970's - bumps and all. It is, unfortunately, my only 6 course. http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa44/danwinheld/?action=viewcurrent=SixCourse.jpg Sounds much better than it looks, which is why I allow it to live. I think David Van Edwards has nailed it- too late for this one, though. Thanks for the photo. Of course the question becomes, do we play an instrument for its LOOKS or its SOUND? Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: diatessaron/diapente
On 30/10/2011 10:11 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote: I was going to ask the same thing! But never mind Greek. What does 'diatessaron above the diapente' mean in English? Literally a fourth above a fifth. It doesn't make much sense to me either - wouldn't that be an octave? stephen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Lute finishes
What finishes were used on lutes in the 16th century or earlier? Do we have any evidence? Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: New to the list
On 14/01/2011 8:43 AM, Edward Mast wrote: When I received a lute that had sticking pegs (it hadn't been played in a long while) I didn't want to order and then wait for a peg winder. I used pliers. Two caveats, though: put enough tape on the jaws to keep them from marring the pegs, and be careful not to let the pliers slip, fall and hit the instrument! Apply pressure gently and slowly. I recommend against pliers, or any other extreme twisting force on the pegs. I've known that to end with broken pegs. My solution for a jammed peg is to gently tap it loose from the thin end using a very small hammer and a piece of dowelling or unsharpened pencil. Once it is free you can tune up the string, being careful to not push the peg in again beyond what is absolutely necessary to avoid slipping. This may even solve the problem permanently if the instrument is now adapted to the humidity. I decided to remove all the pegs and apply peg compound. This solved the problem and they became tunable without the aid of a peg winder or pliers. Sometimes peg compound can make the problem worse - it seems better adapted to slipping pegs as it tends to make the pegs swell slightly. The removal and replacing of the pegs in itself could solve the problem of swollen pegs. A little soap on the sticking pegs sometimes helps. By the way I live on the coast of British Columbia with high humidity in the winter and not so much in the summer, plus sometimes travelling to arid areas, plus having a not-so-great lute to begin with, so I have had some experience with both sticking and slipping pegs ;) Welcome to the list and best of luck with your new instrument! This statement I heartily endorse!!! Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: New to the list
Mark Seifert wrote: I have used chalk for decades to stop my pegs from slipping, and am worried now that I am doing something stupid, especially after the instructor mentioned above vehemently and without further comment rejected a chalk stick which I offered him when his own peg slipped just before a concert. Is it foolish to sit there tuning with face smeared with white chalk (I sometimes savagely use teeth for turning errant pegs)--please let me know, lute cognoscenti, if I am doing something no longer considered HIP? Chalk works, and I would expect is much more HIP than peg turners. The downside of using chalk is that it is abrasive and prolonged use could wear the peg smaller and the hole larger producing looser pegs. A better solution would be peg dope which appears to be a solution of some sort of pine resin. Use it sparingly and work the peg after applying it - it can behave rather like a weak glue otherwise. As for peg turners they were invented to make winding new strings onto the pegs (whether guitar machine heads or friction pegs) rather than forcing stuck pegs and are not optimal for the tiny adjustments in fine tuning. Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: EMS Lutes
I have an 8-course EMS lute. If I'd waited till I could afford a cheap student lute I'd never have got a lute at all. It was a factory repair so it was even cheaper than the usual low price. After replacing strings (probably not absolutely essential), nut (very necessary!), and frets it ended up being playable and total cost about the same as a regular EMS lute. It is not perfect, but it is playable and what mostly needs fixing now is my playing ability (which I am working on). A friend got a non-brand-name Pakistani lute, and it was pretty bad - the sound board was way too thick and so it produced very little sound. Even after considerable work it was still deemed unplayable. For anyone who is getting one of these lutes, the most essential thing seems to be to replace the nut - the notches are too deep and V-shaped so they are guaranteed to jam the strings. I was recently having considerable frustration with trying to get the instrument in tune with itself. Then I realized the frets had wandered slightly (trying to do some weird imitation of equal-temperament, I think). With the help of the LSA fret placement chart everything is sounding much sweeter! Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: incompatibility gardening/lute playing?
Anthony Hind wrote: Dear lutenists Recently, I have found myself having to do some rather heavy gardening, which appears to be almost incompatible with lute playing. the simple fact of being physically tired is part of it, but also the fingers seem less supple after clenching a spade or a pick-axe. One lute player told me that even carrying suit-cases to a performance, can make their fingers stiff; and certain lute makers told me that using a lute maker's tools can make lute playing more difficult; although there are some excellent lute maker-players, even among us. % Do others have similar impressions, and if so, are there any ideas on how to get round this, (apart, of course simply from getting someone else to carry your lutes, and do the gardening, or play your lutes): some exercise between activities to help prepare for playing, perhaps? % At present, I am back in my flat in Paris, and so playing as much as I can, in spite of the hot weather, which also makes things more difficult, and I have regained the suppleness, but I will soon have to go back to gardening. Thanks for any advice, Anthon I have found that it IS rather difficult to play lute (or any other instrument) while gardening ;) More seriously: the problem frequently is tired, overstrained muscles which have be performing unaccustomed actions. If the muscles become accustomed to the exercise you may even find that your playing ability has improved because the muscles are stronger and need a lower percentage of their power to play, meaning your fingers are more relaxed. I found this out may years ago when I was first seriously working on classical guitar and had to milk a cow; at first my fingers were impossibly stiff, but after a while I found that my fingers were stronger and could play more easily. Of course the joints need to be worked to maintain flexibility as well, since frequently the exercise which strengthens the muscles doesn't involve much range of motion. Of course, now age and surgery to repair a severed tendon in my left hand have reduced my hand's flexibility :( Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: String tension
Edward Martin wrote: No, it doesn't. ed At 12:11 AM 4/21/2010, Bruno Correia wrote: Isn't nylon going to stretch as well? That runs totally counter to my experience with nylon strings. Nylon is very stretchy stuff whether made into strings or fishing line or rope or Nylgut. Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Binchois - Jamais tant
wolfgang wiehe wrote: there is a facsimie of this codex see http://www.amazon.ca/Oxford-Bodleian-Library-Canon-Misc/dp/0226237060 perhaps you can get it via library exchange. greetings Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:47:23 +0200 Von: Giuliano Lucini liuto.baro...@yahoo.it An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Binchois - Jamais tantDear list, does anybody knows where I can find the score of the Binchois Jamais tant que je vous revoye? I found an arranged version for lute by Trystero Montevideo (http://medievallute.info/pdf/jamais_tant.pdf) but I'm interested in the separate parts. I see it comes from the Oxford Bodleian Library, Can. Misc. 213. Thanks in advance. Regards, Giuliano Lucini To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Help with LH fingering
Leonard Williams wrote: I've been working on Capirola's Baleto da balar bello. The middle section has some simple looking but tricky chord shifts which I've been trying in various ways to make a smooth transition. Any recommendations? The section is below in ascii tab (use a monospace font). The tricky palces are marked with an *, but I'm not sure of the accuracy of the marking (e.g., the dotted note toward the end belongs at the end--can't seem to find the right font on my machine!). It's a Bb chord going to an Em? Thanks and regards, Leonard Williams The problem of fretting the sixth string pretty much goes away if you have the right 6-course lute and can stop it with your thumb. This is a common technique with electric guitar and seems to be indicated as a possibility in the introduction to the Capirola MS ( http://www.marincola.com/lutebot1.txt ). Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Looking for ...
Sauvage Valéry wrote: Here is a copy of the original piece... (hope you can open attachments) Val. Thanks Val! I got it just fine :) Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Looking for ...
Eugene C. Braig IV wrote: I'm not certain, but I believe it is contained in this publication: http://openlibrary.org/b/OL11085910M/Mel_Bay_Scottish_Lute I can check my own copy when home. Thanks Eugene. Last time I'd looked (a couple of years ago after taking Ronn's class on Scottish Lute) it was out of print and I couldn't find a copy. I looks like it is available again so I'll get a copy (I already have volume 2). Not only that but you can preview it at Amazon.com. Interestingly there seem to be some differences (besides Ronn's variations) between this publication and what Valérie sent. Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Looking for ...
Tablature to I Kissed Her While She Blushed (Straloch). I haven't been able to find it anywhere. And a Happy New Year to everyone! Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 1295
Andrew Gibbs wrote: Thank you Dennis - and Joseph - the 1295 date tallies with Janin Le Lutour's beginning service as a minstrel to the Prince of Wales - presumably it's in this list of musicians employed in the year 1295 that the word 'lute' appears. but the OED doesn't know about it?.. Remember how long ago the OED was compiled. The 1295 information was probably not available then. Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Jane Pickeringe's book in the net?
dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: Jane Pickering lute book. signed 1616 lute pieces by various composers notated by Jane Pickering ms British Museum London, Egerton 204 I think this got cut off - it's MS Egerton 2046. And as far as I know it's not available on the Web - which means I have to drive 10 hours to look at a facsimile edition (Boethius Press). Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: LSA 2009 Vancouver
Daniel Shoskes wrote: I'm surprised at the lack of usual post LSA chatter. Any list members attend? Any photos, videos, sound clips? I was there :) The weather was HOT - record high temperatures for Vancouver. Fortunately they recently upgraded the air conditioning in the UBC music building (which had been pretty poor ever since they built it) so it was fairly comfortable indoors. There were 28 participants from all over the continent, plus faculty. It was a pleasure to meet again those I had met two years ago, and to make many new acquaintances. And we got to see Bill Eisele's amazing lute case case. Jacob Heringman's opening concert on Sunday evening was a delight - but then I admit to being rather partial to the music of Francesco da Milano. He played standing up which allowed him to move to keep his music in ront of him when he had multiple pages open. Nigel North's Tuesday evening concert was also excellent, of course. I attended three classes: Nigel North's English Lute Music 1580-1620, Jacob Heringman's Playing Counterpoint, and Jacob Heringman's Master Class. All of the classes tended to evolve into master-class format. And I had lessons with Pat O'Brien and Jacob Heringman. Nigel's class covered sources of music, with some emphasis on contemporary instructional materials, pointing out some details that usually seem to get overlooked; musical forms and styles; and divisions and graces. Jacob's Counterpoint class talked about transcribing into staff notation to analyze the voice leading and techniques for making the voices clear, especially being careful to sustain notes. Jacob's Master Class covered a wide variety of topics as participants brought forward pieces for comment/ criticism or got advice on dealing with problems with pieces. There were afternoon extras: talks by Dominic Schaner and Ray Nurse; a recital by Dominic (lute) and Amy Schaner (soprano); and a student recital (which was kept short so that everyone could get to the pub before it closed). I had to miss Bob Barto's concert on Friday evening so that I could get up EARLY on Saturday morning to catch a ferry. All told it was a very productive week for me with lots going on, but not too much. I didn't manage to take very many pictures because i was busy trying to store up enough information to keep me going for two years till the next Vancouver LSA Seminar.(I know that Caroline Usher was wandering around taking pictures of all that was going on.) I've posted a few here: http://www3.telus.net/sfryer/LSA%20Vancouver%202009.html Stephen Fryer * * The more answers i find the more questions I have * * To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: review
Rob MacKillop wrote: I've had favourable and unfavourable reviews over the years, but this one is in a category of its own: There is a choking quality of nocturnal obscuration in this instrument which suits you and this hopefully-painfully numbly depressive declamation of exquisite emptiness. The wood in the sound engulfs the throat and presses the forehead in a clutching gentility to highlight your very focused phrasing. ???So, you liked it??? I think this gets filed under If you can't blind them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit. Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Haulberroys 1
I was wondering if anyone has a facsimile of the first Haulberroys original Attaingnant edition from 1530. I have only been able to get Daniel Heartz's transcribed edition and I have some question about the right hand fingering given (bars 2 - 3). It looks as though there may be a misprint, either in Heartz's edition or in the original and i would like to determine which. Thanks Stephen Fryer * The more answers I find the questions I have. * To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] 'Tis the season
I just wanted to wish everyone a happy and safe holiday season. http://www3.telus.net/public/sjfryer/Temp/Christmas%20-%20The%20Lutenist.jpg Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Luet duos
Luca Manassero wrote: I am looking for not-so-technically-difficult lute duos for Renaissance lute (6-8 course). If you have them in PDF or Fronimo or Django or Finale format, I'll be MORE than grateful!! Always a good place to check for lute music: http://gerbode.net/ More specifically in this case: http://gerbode.net/ft2/composers/Lute_ensemble/ Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: was Galliard after Laveche (William Ballet Lute Book), now: scan vs camera
Nancy Carlin wrote: I love the idea of the LSA Microfilm library being digital, but wonder if it will happen in my lifetime. There is considerable concern that the libraries that provided those microfilms (a lot of them to me back in the 70s when I was Microfilm Librarian) would go ballistic if did anything more than loan out our copies of the films. From what I understand they cannot own the copyrights on the original materials because they are so old, but they do own it on the photography. Unfortunate but true. It makes the LSA microflim library of very little use to those of us who have no access to microfilm equipment. Stephen fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Eye-gore
howard posner wrote: Might I suggest you try your spam filter first? I just set a filter to delete any incoming messages from his address. Now the only way I see any of his postings is if someone else replies to and quotes one of his 'messages.' So please don't reply to him - I don't want to see his nonsense. Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Packington's Pound
Many thanks to all who responded with information and advice - it was all very useful to me. Of course answers raise new questions: Stewart McCoy wrote There is no fingering. So I wonder if this is true of this manuscript in general? Or of all of Matthew Holmes' manuscripts? Stephen Fryer The more answers I find, the more questions I have To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Packington's Pound
I have two versions of Packington's Pound, both supposedly from Cambridge Nn.6.36. They differ in a number of respects, especially fingering, which may or may not be from the original, but also in a number of places there is a discrepancy in the tablature also. Does anyone have a facsimile of this piece that they could send so I can figure out what it is really supposed to be? Stephen Fryer The more answers I find, the more questions I have To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute songs
Peter Nightingale wrote: And then there seems to be this: http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/whatday.htm by Thomas Campion with lyrics not unlike Stephen's, from Richard Alison's An Howres Recreation in Musicke (1606) Yes, that's the reference. I couldn't call to mind the second stanza at that time of night ;) Should I know who Mr. Alison is? Yes. ;) Stephen Fryer ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Spinacino online
Denys Stephens wrote: Just casually looking through the new images this evening f.37v of the Libro Primo caught my eye - in the bottom stave, 7th complete measure, the fourth event looks like a very indistinct '2' and someone has faintly added a 2 below the stave line, plus a '1' (or an extension of the bar line). You piqued my curiosity so I looked at the location in question. Only the top half of what is most probably a '2' appears to have been printed lightly. Below the staff someone has written in 2 ? (an expert in epigraphy could probably tell you where/when it was written in). -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Spinacino online
Denys Stephens wrote: Stephen Fryer is of course right in pointing out that it's presumably the slight distortion of the pages themselves that causes the stave lines to look distorted. It seems clear from the Minkoff print that this distortion was not evident in the photographs used to make their facsimile, so the damage has occurred since then. That depends on how the earlier pictures were taken. It might be that pressure was applied to the pages to force tham flat, which might be possible with the slight cockling involved. But then again, you could be right. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Spinacino online
Denys Stephens wrote: Secondly, many of the stave lines in the online images are very distorted, but in the Minkoff print they are dead straight. So the stave lines must surely have been straight when the Paris photos were taken. I wonder if the distortion that has since occurred might have been from the book being in damp conditions during the war years? At least, it's good to know that Petrucci didn't print those wobbly lines! The lines are straight; it is only the 'cockling' of the pages that makes them appear slightly wavy. You can see the effect at the top and bottom edges of the pages too. It doesnt take very much in the way of dampness to cause this to happen; very much and the pages either mildew or stick together. At what point (or points?) in the book's history this occurred I couldn't guess. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Is 8c really the standard?
Michael Bocchicchio wrote: People who have purchased lutes from me in the past have all come to me with the common wisdom that the 8c. is the standard. Why would this be? Is it true now? Was it true in the past or something like that? Furthermore, for who? A first time buyer? A graduate school student studying guitar , who will only need one lute to complete the Masters program requirements? A Renaissance Fair performer? I wonder if this notion is a holdover from a time when historical or true lutes were hard to come by and players had to chose instruments for their versatility rather than for their appropriateness for a given period of music. In fact, it seems to me that the greater body of Renaissance lute music is for 6 and 7c instruments. Eight course music seems limited to the very end of the 16th century, and mostly English. French music seems to jump from 7c to 10c beginning with Francisque c.1600. I'm not quite sure about how the dates went for Italy, Netherlands, and Germany, but it would seem that 8c music is a small body of music by comparison, no? If I have made too gross a generalization or am just plain wrong, please correct me. Even as an amateur player, I know that the instrument needs to fit the music---why would you want the sympathetic ring of an 8c when playing Milan? As a luthier, I fined that the popular 58-62cm instruments do best as 6 and 7 courses as a large bridge can choke a small sound board. I would think a 7c at 62-63cm is a good way to go, but appear to be going against the grain. If an 8c is the standard, can someone explain this to me? No, it's more like the lowest common denominator. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Fronimo / pdf file question
David Tayler wrote: You can try PDF Factory, perhaps there is a free trial. It works for most things, but I'm not sure what the font issue is PDF Factory works OK (free demo versionl no expiry). The font issue is easily solved by setting it to embed the required fonts, so tha the font is part of the file. This setting should be available in any PDF creation software; you should be able to find it somewhere now you know to look for it. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Munich MS1512
Thanks to all who supplied information! -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Heigh ho Holiday
Edward Martin wrote: A respondent kindly provided me a version, but it was in modern tab in Fronimo. Although I appreciate his sharing, what I really need is a copy of the facsimile. Thanks in advance, for anyone who can provide it. I don't think there was an original tablature. I find that Holborne published it in 1599 in Pavans, Galliards, Almains and other short Aeirs which is for a five-part consort (for viols, violins, and other musicall winde instruments). -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Munich MS1512
Does anyone know the date of the Munich MS 1512? -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] LSA Seminar Vancouver
Trying this again with an appropriate subject line. I was wondering if any list members were attending the LSA lute seminar in Vancouver, BC next weekend. It would be nice to have a few faces to attach to names. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Hexachords
I was wondering if any list members were attending the LSA lute seminar in Vancouver, BC next weekend. It would be nice to have a few faces to attach to names. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Griffe's Delight
Stephen Fryer wrote: Bernd Haegemann wrote: There is some discussion on the francophone list about the title of tht piece. Could it be also Grisse's...? In the original printing it is quite clearly Grisse his delight. the long s used is quite distinguishable from the f. I should perhaps have mentioned that there is a facsimile PDF of The Schoole of Mvsicke at http://www.shipbrook.com/jeff/bookshelf/details.html?bookid=26 The same site has facsimiles of Dowland's Varietie of Lute-Lessons and Barley's A Nevv Booke of Tabliture. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Griffe's Delight
Bernd Haegemann wrote: There is some discussion on the francophone list about the title of tht piece. Could it be also Grisse's...? In the original printing it is quite clearly Grisse his delight. the long s used is quite distinguishable from the f. Is there a person with that name known? Not that I know of. Perhaps it could be derived from grieve? That seems highly improbable. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: sofracob prices
Denys Stephens wrote: I would hate to be taken too seriously. For most people the problem is not being taken seriously enough ;-) -- Stephen Fryer ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: B flat chord in Capirola and Newsidler
Stewart McCoy wrote: The fingers have to be the wrong way round for a B flat chord in Capirola's Balletto: |\ | | a __1d___1c__1d__|__c__a_|_ __4f___4f__|__d__c__d__|_ ___|e__|_ ___|__a|_ __2d___|___|_ I cannot think of any other way of fingering the B flat chord, if the bass is to be sustained throughout the bar. This evening, while playing through some pieces from Hans Newsidler's _Ein Newgeordent Künstlich Lautenbuch_ (Nuremberg, 1536), I noticed a passage at bar 25 of Wol kumbt der May, which is very similar to Capirola's, but where the fingering solution is radically different. Unlike the Capirola passage, there is no open 1st course, so a barré is possible, but with the 1st finger covering two different frets. The solution I offered for the passage from Capirola is unworkable, because d3 (the 3rd event of the bar) needs to be held over c5: |\ |\ |\ |\ | |\ | | | __2d__1c__2d__4d__2c___a__|_ __4f__3d__1b__|_ __|_ __1c__|_ __1d__|_ Instead of the 1st finger being laid along a fret in the normal way, it is placed diagonally across the fingerboard, so that the fleshy part of the finger stops the 2nd course at the 2nd fret, and the tip of the finger stops the 6th course at the 3rd fret. Barrés like this are rare, but it is a useful wheeze to have up your sleeve, for those places where you wish you had an extra finger. I would suggest that since these were for 6-course lute, which very often had quite a narrow neck, the sixth course was stopped by the thumb. Capirola does recommend that the thumb should be used: The left (hand) should use the thumb, as it is more beautiful to see it on the neck (of the instrument). (Federico Marincola translation) While he doesn't specify HOW it should be used, I think this is the place for it. Playing on a lute with more courses causes problems! -- Stephen Fryer ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] da Milano
Is there an index giving incipits of da Milano's works with their Ness numbers? I am also looking for a facsimile of the fantasia Ness #38 from the _Intabolatura de lauto di M. Francesco Milanese et M. Perino Fiorentino_ of 1547 (abbreviated 47G3 in the Ness book). It would be appreciated if someone could point me to a source. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute stand???
Craig Allen wrote: A friend sent me a link to this enggraving by Meckenem the Younger. http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=24901 Now I have seen this engraving before but she mentioned a lute stand and upon looking more closely I see she was referring to something that is sticking up under the lute between the player's legs. Now in looking further this appears to extend below the stool he's sitting on and I'm not convinced it's a lute stand but instead a dagger on a belt. Why the player would have this in the position it's in is beyond me as it seems that it would be most uncomfortable and the hilt would tend to scratch the lute. Also he appears to be leaning on the table to support the lute and thus an additional stand might not be necessary. So I ask you all, what do you think it is? It is indeed a dagger. They were very commonly worn on the front of the belt, often in association with a pouch (but not in this case). They were referred to as bollock knives or bollock daggers, and if you think they might be considered rather suggestive the design of many of them makes it clear that this was exactly the intention. It is perhaps questionable whether he is actually resting his lute on the knife handle: it appears to be supported by the table. The broken lute at his feet is interesting for its details of interior construction. I have a feeling that either the artist had never actually seen the interior construction, or 15th century lutes were built much differently than 16th-century ones. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute stand???
Doctor Oakroot wrote: Wouldn't he be playing with a plectrum in that period? Looks like he's grasping something between thumb and index - but can't really see at this resolution. He is holding what looks like a quill between index and thumb, roughly at right angles to the strings. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute stand???
Craig Robert Pierpont wrote: Has anybody considered the possibility that it is not a sword but some sort of stick specifically employed for the purpose of a lute rest? Unlikely? Perhaps, but significant if so, especially if something like it appears similarly elsewhere. As I said it is a bollock dagger (look it up). Being involved with Medieval re-enactment and re-creation groups doe sgive one the familiarity to recognize things in old paintings that might otherwise puzzle. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute stand???
bill kilpatrick wrote: i thought the english expletive bollocks! was associated with the hindmost part of the human anatomy and hot air (i.e. you're talking bollocks - speaking from your rear-end). was the knife normally carried from behind? Actually it originally refers to a more frontal part of the anatomy - the testicles (in American slang balls). If you look at pictures of extant medieval bollock daggers you will find taht their shape made the reference very explicit, as well as where the dagger was hung. (Some modern replicas may be seen at http://www.todsstuff.co.uk/html/bollockdaggers.php ) -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Matelart Fantasia Terza
Stewart McCoy wrote: I am puzzled by the presence of large crosses scattered here and there, mostly like big plus signs (+), but sometimes with two or even three horizontal strokes, and at least twice with two vertical and two horizontal strokes looking like a sharp sign (#). I don't know what these signs mean, and would be grateful if someone could explain what they are. They sound like grace (or ornament) signs to me. Avariety of similar signs were certainly used in lute music later on, though unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any standard system or meaning, with everyone having their own variations. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Now that's early music
Craig Allen wrote: From the depths of the Earth to the depths of your soul. I wonder how Weiss would feel about this. Could be much more than merely Weisses Rauschen. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4777565.stm Rock music! -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Besards right hand technique
LGS-Europe wrote: Yes, I have it here. It's a pity he doesn't give an example of what he means, as he does of the thumb-only passages. He is, as you say, very clear about his 'zeiger' in the same passage, so what does he mean with the 'kleinsten finger'? Does someone have this in the original, which I think was not in German? Dowland ignores this passage in his translation. I presume you are referring to the translation in Varietie of Lute Lessons (1610)? Besard's Isagoge was published four years later (1614); what he translated was from the Thesaurus harmonicus (1603). -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Publications
Daniel Shoskes wrote: One comment: the tablature letter d in your samples has a very confusing appearance. Any chance to change the font to something with a more prominent tail? That was my reaction also. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: L'amour de moi
Gernot Hilger wrote: would somebody please point me to a freeware version of a 15th century song called L'amour de moi. Lute and solo voice. I have been searching for almost two hours, probably not in the right places, though! The song is from the Bayeux Manuscript, which means it is monophonic and no accompaniment in the original. Any lute accompaniment would have to be a later (probably modern) arrangement. So if you know the tune (and the words) you can write your own accompaniment. L'AMOUR DE MOI L'amour de moy, s'y est enclose Dedans un jolie jardinet Ou croit la rose et le muguet Y aussi fail le passerose Ce jardin est belle et plaisant Il est garni de toutes fleurs On y prend son ebattement Autant la nuit comme le jour Helas il n'est si dous chose Que de ce doux rossignolet Qui chant au soir et au matinet Quand il est las il se repose Ce jardin est belle et plaisant Il est garni de toutes fleurs On y prend son ebattement Autant la nuit comme le jour -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Who wants to go Medieval?
saw 192837 wrote: Have you ever played the mediaeval lute? Is it really plucked with a plectrum and not the fingers? Or do people use fingers as well? Are they all 5 courses (or supposed to be?) What kind of repetoire exists? For some information on what is known/theorized see Coelho, Victor Anand, An invitation to the fifteenth-century plectrum lute: the Pesaro Manuscript, in Coelho, ed. _Performance on Lute, Guitar, and Vihuela: Historical Practice and Modern Interpretation_, Caambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2005 -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Double-strung courses
I have a question about the lute (!) that I have never heard a good answer to. Why did each course consist of a pair of strings, rather than a single string? This was the case with other instruments such as guitar, vihuela, mandlin, etc. also from the earliest up until the baroque, so surely there must have been some perceived advantage. I'm afraid I can only see possible disadvantages. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Osage Orange, was Yew
Steve Ramey wrote: If I recall correctly from my Kansas days, something over 40 years ago, it's terribly hard, heavy, dense, tough stuff-- just barely floats, hard on tools. I don't know about European Yew, but Pacific Yew tends to be like that, but red not yellow. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Details
Looks like a virus to me. Delete and Ignore. Luckily the list server doesn't pass on the attached virus file so there is no chance of infection. It has been around for a while, but just seems to have broken into some mailing list recently. Craig Robert Pierpont wrote: Does anybody know what this is? Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the file. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have **
7-course - 6-course
Already in the early 16th century there were some pieces being written for 7-course lute. Since at that time most lutes were 6-course this could have been a problem. Is there any eveidence of how players dealt with playing 7-course (or 8-course) music on a lute with only 6 courses? -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Greensleeves
Roman Turovsky wrote: His name was A(dalbert?) Noney-Moose. He had a farm where Rayne's Park now stands. And here I thought it was Hey Nonny Mouse, but maybe that was the other one? ;-) More seriously, as far as I know the first reference is in the Stationers Register for 1580. There is a version for lute in William Ballet's Lute Book of about the same time. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
