[LUTE] Re: Dürer's African Man and Neusiedler's weird dances
Geez Rainer, can you be more arrogant? At least enlighten me with the conclusions of Gombosii and Heartz and on what those are based. I am sick of getting referred to paywalled articles. I was reporting this intercultural incident, not claiming this is really true. But as Howard said, I was thinking, why not? West Africa has been a trade partner with the Portuguese since the 15th century, and maybe you all know the depiction of a completely African Musica Alta group. http://www.scottishjournalofperformance.org/De-Oliveira-Alves_trombone-portuguese-iconography_image-3.jpg I was trying to make sense of "this is our culture". Those guys have never encountered a Renaissance lute, but they recognized the music, why? On 23.05.19 10:46, Rainer wrote: West African origin - almost as certain as Tristan is living on the dark side of the moon. Anybody interested in the Hoftanz should have a look at the famous articles be Gombosi (a bit old) and Heartz. I am not aware of any text for the Schwarzknab, but schwarz certainly refers to the colour of the hair. Rainer PS: Andi should know more To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Dürer's African Man and Neusiedler's weird dances
West African origin - almost as certain as Tristan is living on the dark side of the moon. Anybody interested in the Hoftanz should have a look at the famous articles be Gombosi (a bit old) and Heartz. I am not aware of any text for the Schwarzknab, but schwarz certainly refers to the colour of the hair. Rainer PS: Andi should know more To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Dürer's African Man and Neusiedler's weird dances
On May 22, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Tristan von Neumann
wrote:
> But then I played a "Court Dance" from Hans Neusidler's book.
>
> The guy next to me said - "Hey, this is our culture! I know this!".
>
> I was confused, and put this into the "universal music" box.
>
> Today, I played through Vol. 6 of Wurstisen (just came out, thanks
> Sarge) and found the same dance.
>
> And what do you know - it is called "Der Schwartzknab" ("The Black Boy")
> there.
>
> That's definitely two totally separate hints that the dance may be of
> West African origin.
Why not? Some form of a jig named for the Canary Islands (as west as Africa
gets) was known throughout Europe. There were all sorts of contacts between
Europe and West Africa, many of them bad for the Africans, to be sure.
> Albrecht Dürer once drew an African Man in 1508, a real portrait,
And a 1521 portrait of an African woman named Katherina, who was a servant in
Antwerp. Both can be seen at:
http://afroeurope.blogspot.com/2012/10/black-man-and-woman-in-16th-century.html
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