[LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society
Thank you. However what I had before was a facsimile version which had been digitally scanned. M --- On Wed, 2/2/11, Charles Browne char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk wrote: From: Charles Browne char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: 'lute net' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, Denys Stephens denyssteph...@sky.com, lute...@aol.com Date: Wednesday, 2 February, 2011, 17:59 Dear Martyn, the digital download is still available on Richard Civiol's site :- [1]http://luthlibrairie.free.fr/?Renaissance:Anglaise Charles Browne [2]char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk -- References 1. http://luthlibrairie.free.fr/?Renaissance:Anglaise 2. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society
Hi Stewart and everyone else, A collective, international (mostly French) work of transcription of the Cherbury lute book has been going on for over two years now. The work of transcribing the pieces was finished last April. Proof-reading was finished last month. The purpose of this work is to provide legible copies of the pieces to lute players, with digital facsimiles in black and white, as well as create a community of people who can enrich the work with their comments and suggestions, since we are under no illusion that we can provide definitive versions of those pieces. It should be available within a month or so, depending on people's schedule and availability. Originally, the plan was to obtain good facsimile copies from the Fitzwilliam Museum as the basis for the transcriptions, but the thousands of pounds involved as well as the promised months if not years of delay gave us pause. Us, by the way, has been an evolving group. I hope it will continue to do so in the future. So pretty soon, we will no longer be able to say that the Cherbury lute book is the most significant collection of Western music never published... Alain On 2/2/2011 10:08 AM, Stewart McCoy wrote: Dear Martyn, I've found it. The resolution isn't brilliant, but it's better than nothing. It's at http://musickshandmade.com/lute/facbooks/view/17 All the best, Stewart. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Martyn Hodgson Sent: 02 February 2011 09:42 To: 'lute net'; Denys Stephens Cc: lute...@aol.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society Dear Denys, That the Lord Herbert Of Cherbury facsimile is next on the Society's facsimile publication list is good news indeed - thank you. For those who can't wait, there was a digital download available on the internet a couple of years ago and for the most part pretty readable. I printed off a couple of pages to replace some of my old, very poor, copy but recall that all pages seemed to be there. It may still be out there but unfortunately I forgot to note the source/address - perhaps others know? Of course the problem with it is that there are none of the excellent scholarly notes, concordances etc we have from you and collegues in the Society. So I look forward to this edition. Martyn From: Denys Stephensdenyssteph...@sky.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society To: 'lute net'lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Cc: lute...@aol.com Date: Tuesday, 1 February, 2011, 20:37 Dear Arthur All, Further to Chris Goodwin's comments reported below I am glad to be able to add that preparatory work on the Lord Herbert Of Cherbury facsimile is at an advanced stage and is going well. I would hesitate to predict a completion date - as with all Lute Society publications the preparation is carried out by dedicated individuals giving their time to the work involved, and sometimes there are unexpected interruptions. But it is definitely the next planned Lute Society facsimile, and a publication date within the next year seems entirely possible at the moment. When to publish it after the preparation is complete will be a committee decision, and as has already been said, the Lute Society's ability to produce new facsimilies does depend on support for the existing publications. It's good to see Robert Spencer's name mentioned in the context of the Cherbury manuscript. His vision of making lute manuscripts available in facsimile is still a major inspiration for the Lute Society's work in that field. We don't have specific plans beyond Cherbury, but I very much hope that the series will be able to continue, ideally until every English lute manuscript is in print. That will take some time, but it's good to hold onto the vision. Best wishes, Denys Denys Stephens General Editor of Music Editions The Lute Society -Original Message- From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of A. J. Ness Sent: 01 February 2011 15:08 To: [3]simon.lamb...@stfc.ac.uk; Lute List Subject: [LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society Here's a link to the Society's list of facsimiles, etc., in case there are other things that interest you. Dd 2.11 isn't listed yet: [4]http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/pages/catalogue Some of us have had to wait for 30 years for the Lord Herbert facsimile. Bob Spencer had it at the top of his list, but was unsuccessful in getting the library to release it for a facsimile. It would be at the top of my list, too. It was quite a frustrating experience for him. He would mutter, We'll just have to wait until he [the librarian] retires. Dd
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On 2 February 2011 23:39, A. J. Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net wrote: Most academic and public research liobraries will have machines that will What kind of scanner do you have for microfilms, David? Brand name? Sorry if I wasn't clear. I don't have a machine, I have a library card in stead. Much cheaper, and I don't have to service the machine. ;-) David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Hello, David, Yes, I use the same system. The Boston Public Library and the university library down the street have machines that make digital copies from microfilm. When I check about 5 years ago, such machines costs about $7000, much too expensive for home use. I wonder when there will be a machine at a price that will make them attractive to private persons. Enjoyed your account of Gorzanis in the current Nostalgia of the Japanese Lute and Early Guitar Society. Mus Ms 1511a (the so-called well-tempered lute book) was probably copied in Munich, since the paper is from a local mill. The dedicatee Ulrich Herwarth is a cousin to the Hans Heinrich Herwarth whose vast musical library serves as a foundation for the music collection at the Bavarian State Library. When the Gorzanis books of Napolitane are published, would you let us all know about how we may order copies. Arthur. - Original Message - From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 3:37 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society On 2 February 2011 23:39, A. J. Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net wrote: Most academic and public research liobraries will have machines that will What kind of scanner do you have for microfilms, David? Brand name? Sorry if I wasn't clear. I don't have a machine, I have a library card in stead. Much cheaper, and I don't have to service the machine. ;-) David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society
Hi Arthur! Bob Spencer is sorely missed, I remember his speech in Utrecht to be very entertaining, He was a bit harsh on Minkoff and he was quite right, especially about the Gallot Facsimile (reversal of recto and verso so all pieces had a page turn, making it a very unpractical edition from a player's point of view). I also remember your very interesting speech about intavolations, comparing different versions of Douce Memoire. I have very fond memories of this Symposium, almost everyone of importance to the lute scene seemed to be there. Those were the days weren't they? Cheers from Leeuwarden, Holland Lex Op 1 feb 2011, om 21:34 heeft A. J. Ness het volgende geschreven: Hello, Lex! Thanks for writing. Yes, I was at Utrecht in the room when Bob said that. I just didn't want to make him seem too mean, so when I mention the facsimile, I change die to retire. Some readers might not understand that he was being a bit facetious. But it was said in jest. He was really upset with that guy. He had some unkind things to say about Mrs. Minkoff's facsimiles, and she was right in the room with him. She agreed that his complaints were well taken, and that she already had been making changes to her work methods. Greetings from Boston, Arthur. - Original Message - From: Lex van Sante lvansa...@gmail.com To: lute mailing list list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 10:27 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society Op 1 feb 2011, om 16:08 heeft A. J. Ness het volgende geschreven: Here's a link to the Society's list of facsimiles, etc., in case there are other things that interest you. Dd 2.11 isn't listed yet: http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/pages/catalogue Some of us have had to wait for 30 years for the Lord Herbert facsimile. Bob Spencer had it at the top of his list, but was unsuccessful in getting the library to release it for a facsimile. It would be at the top of my list, too. It was quite a frustrating experience for him. He would mutter, We'll just have to wait until he [the librarian] retires. Bob Spencer even was a little less friendly than that. He expected the librarian to die first before having a chance to get the Herbert. See Proceedings of the international lute symposium (Utrecht, 1986) Dd 2.11 is listed in the pipeline: http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/pages/pipeline - Original Message - From: simon.lamb...@stfc.ac.uk To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 7:39 AM Subject: [LUTE] Future facsimiles from the Lute Society There have been some queries about the Lute Society's future plans for publishing facsimiles, following the launch of Cambridge Dd.2.11. Chris Goodwin, the Secretary of the Society, tells me that the next on the list is Herbert of Cherbury, though Dd.2.11 will have to pay for itself first - which sounds like a good reason to go and buy a copy if you haven't yet done so! Simon Lambert Oxford, England -- Scanned by iCritical. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society
Dear Denys, That the Lord Herbert Of Cherbury facsimile is next on the Society's facsimile publication list is good news indeed - thank you. For those who can't wait, there was a digital download available on the internet a couple of years ago and for the most part pretty readable. I printed off a couple of pages to replace some of my old, very poor, copy but recall that all pages seemed to be there. It may still be out there but unfortunately I forgot to note the source/address - perhaps others know? Of course the problem with it is that there are none of the excellent scholarly notes, concordances etc we have from you and collegues in the Society. So I look forward to this edition. Martyn From: Denys Stephens denyssteph...@sky.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society To: 'lute net' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Cc: lute...@aol.com Date: Tuesday, 1 February, 2011, 20:37 Dear Arthur All, Further to Chris Goodwin's comments reported below I am glad to be able to add that preparatory work on the Lord Herbert Of Cherbury facsimile is at an advanced stage and is going well. I would hesitate to predict a completion date - as with all Lute Society publications the preparation is carried out by dedicated individuals giving their time to the work involved, and sometimes there are unexpected interruptions. But it is definitely the next planned Lute Society facsimile, and a publication date within the next year seems entirely possible at the moment. When to publish it after the preparation is complete will be a committee decision, and as has already been said, the Lute Society's ability to produce new facsimilies does depend on support for the existing publications. It's good to see Robert Spencer's name mentioned in the context of the Cherbury manuscript. His vision of making lute manuscripts available in facsimile is still a major inspiration for the Lute Society's work in that field. We don't have specific plans beyond Cherbury, but I very much hope that the series will be able to continue, ideally until every English lute manuscript is in print. That will take some time, but it's good to hold onto the vision. Best wishes, Denys Denys Stephens General Editor of Music Editions The Lute Society -Original Message- From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of A. J. Ness Sent: 01 February 2011 15:08 To: [3]simon.lamb...@stfc.ac.uk; Lute List Subject: [LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society Here's a link to the Society's list of facsimiles, etc., in case there are other things that interest you. Dd 2.11 isn't listed yet: [4]http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/pages/catalogue Some of us have had to wait for 30 years for the Lord Herbert facsimile. Bob Spencer had it at the top of his list, but was unsuccessful in getting the library to release it for a facsimile. It would be at the top of my list, too. It was quite a frustrating experience for him. He would mutter, We'll just have to wait until he [the librarian] retires. Dd 2.11 is listed in the pipeline: [5]http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/pages/pipeline - Original Message - From: [6]simon.lamb...@stfc.ac.uk To: [7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 7:39 AM Subject: [LUTE] Future facsimiles from the Lute Society There have been some queries about the Lute Society's future plans for publishing facsimiles, following the launch of Cambridge Dd.2.11. Chris Goodwin, the Secretary of the Society, tells me that the next on the list is Herbert of Cherbury, though Dd.2.11 will have to pay for itself first - which sounds like a good reason to go and buy a copy if you haven't yet done so! Simon Lambert Oxford, England -- Scanned by iCritical. To get on or off this list see list information at [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=simon.lamb...@stfc.ac.uk 4. http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/pages/catalogue 5. http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/pages/pipeline 6. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=simon.lamb...@stfc.ac.uk 7. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society
Dear Martyn, the digital download is still available on Richard Civiol's site :- http://luthlibrairie.free.fr/?Renaissance:Anglaise Charles Browne char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society
It is also available on microfilm from the LSA. Francesco -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Stewart McCoy Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 7:08 PM To: Lute Net Subject: [LUTE] Future facsimiles from the Lute Society Dear Martyn, I've found it. The resolution isn't brilliant, but it's better than nothing. It's at http://musickshandmade.com/lute/facbooks/view/17 All the best, Stewart. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Martyn Hodgson Sent: 02 February 2011 09:42 To: 'lute net'; Denys Stephens Cc: lute...@aol.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society Dear Denys, That the Lord Herbert Of Cherbury facsimile is next on the Society's facsimile publication list is good news indeed - thank you. For those who can't wait, there was a digital download available on the internet a couple of years ago and for the most part pretty readable. I printed off a couple of pages to replace some of my old, very poor, copy but recall that all pages seemed to be there. It may still be out there but unfortunately I forgot to note the source/address - perhaps others know? Of course the problem with it is that there are none of the excellent scholarly notes, concordances etc we have from you and collegues in the Society. So I look forward to this edition. Martyn From: Denys Stephens denyssteph...@sky.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society To: 'lute net' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Cc: lute...@aol.com Date: Tuesday, 1 February, 2011, 20:37 Dear Arthur All, Further to Chris Goodwin's comments reported below I am glad to be able to add that preparatory work on the Lord Herbert Of Cherbury facsimile is at an advanced stage and is going well. I would hesitate to predict a completion date - as with all Lute Society publications the preparation is carried out by dedicated individuals giving their time to the work involved, and sometimes there are unexpected interruptions. But it is definitely the next planned Lute Society facsimile, and a publication date within the next year seems entirely possible at the moment. When to publish it after the preparation is complete will be a committee decision, and as has already been said, the Lute Society's ability to produce new facsimilies does depend on support for the existing publications. It's good to see Robert Spencer's name mentioned in the context of the Cherbury manuscript. His vision of making lute manuscripts available in facsimile is still a major inspiration for the Lute Society's work in that field. We don't have specific plans beyond Cherbury, but I very much hope that the series will be able to continue, ideally until every English lute manuscript is in print. That will take some time, but it's good to hold onto the vision. Best wishes, Denys Denys Stephens General Editor of Music Editions The Lute Society -Original Message- From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of A. J. Ness Sent: 01 February 2011 15:08 To: [3]simon.lamb...@stfc.ac.uk; Lute List Subject: [LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society Here's a link to the Society's list of facsimiles, etc., in case there are other things that interest you. Dd 2.11 isn't listed yet: [4]http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/pages/catalogue Some of us have had to wait for 30 years for the Lord Herbert facsimile. Bob Spencer had it at the top of his list, but was unsuccessful in getting the library to release it for a facsimile. It would be at the top of my list, too. It was quite a frustrating experience for him. He would mutter, We'll just have to wait until he [the librarian] retires. Dd 2.11 is listed in the pipeline: [5]http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/pages/pipeline - Original Message - From: [6]simon.lamb...@stfc.ac.uk To: [7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 7:39 AM Subject: [LUTE] Future facsimiles from the Lute Society There have been some queries about the Lute Society's future plans for publishing facsimiles, following the launch of Cambridge Dd.2.11. Chris Goodwin, the Secretary of the Society, tells me that the next on the list is Herbert of Cherbury, though Dd.2.11 will have to pay for itself first - which sounds like a good reason to go and buy a copy if you haven't yet done so! Simon Lambert Oxford, England -- Scanned by iCritical. To get on or off this list see list information
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... and what do you do with a microfilm today? - other than hiding it in the handle of an umbrella and trying to cross the border ... :-) (No, but seriously: what can you do mith a microilm? Is it possible to print it? To make a pdf out of it?) M. On 2 February 2011 23:11, Francesco Tribioli [1]tribi...@arcetri.astro.it wrote: It is also available on microfilm from the LSA. Francesco -Original Message- From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Stewart McCoy Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 7:08 PM To: Lute Net Subject: [LUTE] Future facsimiles from the Lute Society Dear Martyn, I've found it. The resolution isn't brilliant, but it's better than nothing. It's at [4]http://musickshandmade.com/lute/facbooks/view/17 All the best, Stewart. -Original Message- From: [5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Martyn Hodgson Sent: 02 February 2011 09:42 To: 'lute net'; Denys Stephens Cc: [7]lute...@aol.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society Dear Denys, That the Lord Herbert Of Cherbury facsimile is next on the Society's facsimile publication list is good news indeed - thank you. For those who can't wait, there was a digital download available on the internet a couple of years ago and for the most part pretty readable. I printed off a couple of pages to replace some of my old, very poor, copy but recall that all pages seemed to be there. It may still be out there but unfortunately I forgot to note the source/address - perhaps others know? Of course the problem with it is that there are none of the excellent scholarly notes, concordances etc we have from you and collegues in the Society. So I look forward to this edition. Martyn From: Denys Stephens [8]denyssteph...@sky.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society To: 'lute net' [9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Cc: [10]lute...@aol.com Date: Tuesday, 1 February, 2011, 20:37 Dear Arthur All, Further to Chris Goodwin's comments reported below I am glad to be able to add that preparatory work on the Lord Herbert Of Cherbury facsimile is at an advanced stage and is going well. I would hesitate to predict a completion date - as with all Lute Society publications the preparation is carried out by dedicated individuals giving their time to the work involved, and sometimes there are unexpected interruptions. But it is definitely the next planned Lute Society facsimile, and a publication date within the next year seems entirely possible at the moment. When to publish it after the preparation is complete will be a committee decision, and as has already been said, the Lute Society's ability to produce new facsimilies does depend on support for the existing publications. It's good to see Robert Spencer's name mentioned in the context of the Cherbury manuscript. His vision of making lute manuscripts available in facsimile is still a major inspiration for the Lute Society's work in that field. We don't have specific plans beyond Cherbury, but I very much hope that the series will be able to continue, ideally until every English lute manuscript is in print. That will take some time, but it's good to hold onto the vision. Best wishes, Denys Denys Stephens General Editor of Music Editions The Lute Society -Original Message- From: [1][11]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2][12]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of A. J. Ness Sent: 01 February 2011 15:08 To: [3][13]simon.lamb...@stfc.ac.uk; Lute List Subject: [LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society Here's a link to the Society's list of facsimiles, etc., in case there are other things that interest you. Dd 2.11 isn't listed yet: [4][14]http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/pages/catalogue Some of us have had to wait for 30 years for the Lord Herbert facsimile. Bob Spencer had it at the top of his list, but was unsuccessful in getting the library to release
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On 2 February 2011 23:23, Matteo Turri matteo.o.tu...@googlemail.com wrote: ... and what do you do with a microfilm today? - other than hiding it Bring it to your library and print it. A proper library will have machines to view and print microfilms and -fiches. You can also buy a USB-microfilm scanner and load the images as jpg or pdf into your computer. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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You can put it into a scanner, those for films or diapos, and convert it in a digital image. Also I think that some libraries may still have devices that can read and print them at once. Actually that microfilm is not so nice and the cheap photo scanners are affected by focus issues. The result needs post processing, but the result is good enough to be read and transcribed (with some effort). Not easy to play directly from it. Also Herbert had a quite compressed handwriting, small letters, which doesn't help ... -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Matteo Turri Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:23 PM To: Francesco Tribioli Cc: Lute Net Subject: [LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society ... and what do you do with a microfilm today? - other than hiding it in the handle of an umbrella and trying to cross the border ... :-) (No, but seriously: what can you do mith a microilm? Is it possible to print it? To make a pdf out of it?) M. On 2 February 2011 23:11, Francesco Tribioli [1]tribi...@arcetri.astro.it wrote: It is also available on microfilm from the LSA. Francesco -Original Message- From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Stewart McCoy Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 7:08 PM To: Lute Net Subject: [LUTE] Future facsimiles from the Lute Society Dear Martyn, I've found it. The resolution isn't brilliant, but it's better than nothing. It's at [4]http://musickshandmade.com/lute/facbooks/view/17 All the best, Stewart. -Original Message- From: [5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Martyn Hodgson Sent: 02 February 2011 09:42 To: 'lute net'; Denys Stephens Cc: [7]lute...@aol.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society Dear Denys, That the Lord Herbert Of Cherbury facsimile is next on the Society's facsimile publication list is good news indeed - thank you. For those who can't wait, there was a digital download available on the internet a couple of years ago and for the most part pretty readable. I printed off a couple of pages to replace some of my old, very poor, copy but recall that all pages seemed to be there. It may still be out there but unfortunately I forgot to note the source/address - perhaps others know? Of course the problem with it is that there are none of the excellent scholarly notes, concordances etc we have from you and collegues in the Society. So I look forward to this edition. Martyn From: Denys Stephens [8]denyssteph...@sky.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society To: 'lute net' [9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Cc: [10]lute...@aol.com Date: Tuesday, 1 February, 2011, 20:37 Dear Arthur All, Further to Chris Goodwin's comments reported below I am glad to be able to add that preparatory work on the Lord Herbert Of Cherbury facsimile is at an advanced stage and is going well. I would hesitate to predict a completion date - as with all Lute Society publications the preparation is carried out by dedicated individuals giving their time to the work involved, and sometimes there are unexpected interruptions. But it is definitely the next planned Lute Society facsimile, and a publication date within the next year seems entirely possible at the moment. When to publish it after the preparation is complete will be a committee decision, and as has already been said, the Lute Society's ability to produce new facsimilies does depend on support for the existing publications. It's good to see Robert Spencer's name mentioned in the context of the Cherbury manuscript. His vision of making lute manuscripts available in facsimile is still a major inspiration for the Lute Society's work in that field. We don't have specific plans beyond Cherbury, but I very much hope that the series will be able to continue, ideally until every English lute manuscript is in print. That will take some time, but it's good to hold onto the vision
[LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society
Most academic and public research liobraries will have machines that will take a microfilm and turn it into a *.PDF file, which one can sometimes send to you home computer. Or you can load it onto a disc or USB whatever. The service ios usually free unless you need to print it out. What kind of scanner do you have for microfilms, David? Brand name? Approximate cost? Last time I checked they went for $7,000. Arthur - Original Message - From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 5:28 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society On 2 February 2011 23:23, Matteo Turri matteo.o.tu...@googlemail.com wrote: ... and what do you do with a microfilm today? - other than hiding it Bring it to your library and print it. A proper library will have machines to view and print microfilms and -fiches. You can also buy a USB-microfilm scanner and load the images as jpg or pdf into your computer. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society
Here's a link to the Society's list of facsimiles, etc., in case there are other things that interest you. Dd 2.11 isn't listed yet: http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/pages/catalogue Some of us have had to wait for 30 years for the Lord Herbert facsimile. Bob Spencer had it at the top of his list, but was unsuccessful in getting the library to release it for a facsimile. It would be at the top of my list, too. It was quite a frustrating experience for him. He would mutter, We'll just have to wait until he [the librarian] retires. Dd 2.11 is listed in the pipeline: http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/pages/pipeline - Original Message - From: simon.lamb...@stfc.ac.uk To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 7:39 AM Subject: [LUTE] Future facsimiles from the Lute Society There have been some queries about the Lute Society's future plans for publishing facsimiles, following the launch of Cambridge Dd.2.11. Chris Goodwin, the Secretary of the Society, tells me that the next on the list is Herbert of Cherbury, though Dd.2.11 will have to pay for itself first - which sounds like a good reason to go and buy a copy if you haven't yet done so! Simon Lambert Oxford, England -- Scanned by iCritical. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society
Op 1 feb 2011, om 16:08 heeft A. J. Ness het volgende geschreven: Here's a link to the Society's list of facsimiles, etc., in case there are other things that interest you. Dd 2.11 isn't listed yet: http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/pages/catalogue Some of us have had to wait for 30 years for the Lord Herbert facsimile. Bob Spencer had it at the top of his list, but was unsuccessful in getting the library to release it for a facsimile. It would be at the top of my list, too. It was quite a frustrating experience for him. He would mutter, We'll just have to wait until he [the librarian] retires. Bob Spencer even was a little less friendly than that. He expected the librarian to die first before having a chance to get the Herbert. See Proceedings of the international lute symposium (Utrecht, 1986) Dd 2.11 is listed in the pipeline: http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/pages/pipeline - Original Message - From: simon.lamb...@stfc.ac.uk To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 7:39 AM Subject: [LUTE] Future facsimiles from the Lute Society There have been some queries about the Lute Society's future plans for publishing facsimiles, following the launch of Cambridge Dd.2.11. Chris Goodwin, the Secretary of the Society, tells me that the next on the list is Herbert of Cherbury, though Dd.2.11 will have to pay for itself first - which sounds like a good reason to go and buy a copy if you haven't yet done so! Simon Lambert Oxford, England -- Scanned by iCritical. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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And poor Bob died first. Ed On Feb 1, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Lex van Sante wrote: Op 1 feb 2011, om 16:08 heeft A. J. Ness het volgende geschreven: Here's a link to the Society's list of facsimiles, etc., in case there are other things that interest you. Dd 2.11 isn't listed yet: http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/pages/catalogue Some of us have had to wait for 30 years for the Lord Herbert facsimile. Bob Spencer had it at the top of his list, but was unsuccessful in getting the library to release it for a facsimile. It would be at the top of my list, too. It was quite a frustrating experience for him. He would mutter, We'll just have to wait until he [the librarian] retires. Bob Spencer even was a little less friendly than that. He expected the librarian to die first before having a chance to get the Herbert. See Proceedings of the international lute symposium (Utrecht, 1986) Dd 2.11 is listed in the pipeline: http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/pages/pipeline - Original Message - From: simon.lamb...@stfc.ac.uk To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 7:39 AM Subject: [LUTE] Future facsimiles from the Lute Society There have been some queries about the Lute Society's future plans for publishing facsimiles, following the launch of Cambridge Dd. 2.11. Chris Goodwin, the Secretary of the Society, tells me that the next on the list is Herbert of Cherbury, though Dd.2.11 will have to pay for itself first - which sounds like a good reason to go and buy a copy if you haven't yet done so! Simon Lambert Oxford, England -- Scanned by iCritical. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society
Dear Arthur All, Further to Chris Goodwin's comments reported below I am glad to be able to add that preparatory work on the Lord Herbert Of Cherbury facsimile is at an advanced stage and is going well. I would hesitate to predict a completion date - as with all Lute Society publications the preparation is carried out by dedicated individuals giving their time to the work involved, and sometimes there are unexpected interruptions. But it is definitely the next planned Lute Society facsimile, and a publication date within the next year seems entirely possible at the moment. When to publish it after the preparation is complete will be a committee decision, and as has already been said, the Lute Society's ability to produce new facsimilies does depend on support for the existing publications. It's good to see Robert Spencer's name mentioned in the context of the Cherbury manuscript. His vision of making lute manuscripts available in facsimile is still a major inspiration for the Lute Society's work in that field. We don't have specific plans beyond Cherbury, but I very much hope that the series will be able to continue, ideally until every English lute manuscript is in print. That will take some time, but it's good to hold onto the vision. Best wishes, Denys Denys Stephens General Editor of Music Editions The Lute Society -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of A. J. Ness Sent: 01 February 2011 15:08 To: simon.lamb...@stfc.ac.uk; Lute List Subject: [LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society Here's a link to the Society's list of facsimiles, etc., in case there are other things that interest you. Dd 2.11 isn't listed yet: http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/pages/catalogue Some of us have had to wait for 30 years for the Lord Herbert facsimile. Bob Spencer had it at the top of his list, but was unsuccessful in getting the library to release it for a facsimile. It would be at the top of my list, too. It was quite a frustrating experience for him. He would mutter, We'll just have to wait until he [the librarian] retires. Dd 2.11 is listed in the pipeline: http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/pages/pipeline - Original Message - From: simon.lamb...@stfc.ac.uk To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 7:39 AM Subject: [LUTE] Future facsimiles from the Lute Society There have been some queries about the Lute Society's future plans for publishing facsimiles, following the launch of Cambridge Dd.2.11. Chris Goodwin, the Secretary of the Society, tells me that the next on the list is Herbert of Cherbury, though Dd.2.11 will have to pay for itself first - which sounds like a good reason to go and buy a copy if you haven't yet done so! Simon Lambert Oxford, England -- Scanned by iCritical. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society
Dear Denys copy to the List, perhaps the digitalized computer readable facsimiles could be published already before the analysed, commented and prettily printed (expensive? but also valuable) books? More and more digital material is published by more and more museums around Europe. I hope England will follow... Yep, I know, it is about the funding, not the museums... But vote a government that will fund the museums... ;-) Arto On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 20:37:13 -, Denys Stephens denyssteph...@sky.com wrote: Dear Arthur All, Further to Chris Goodwin's comments reported below I am glad to be able to add that preparatory work on the Lord Herbert Of Cherbury facsimile is at an advanced stage and is going well. I would hesitate to predict a completion date - as with all Lute Society publications the preparation is carried out by dedicated individuals giving their time to the work involved, and sometimes there are unexpected interruptions. But it is definitely the next planned Lute Society facsimile, and a publication date within the next year seems entirely possible at the moment. When to publish it after the preparation is complete will be a committee decision, and as has already been said, the Lute Society's ability to produce new facsimilies does depend on support for the existing publications. It's good to see Robert Spencer's name mentioned in the context of the Cherbury manuscript. His vision of making lute manuscripts available in facsimile is still a major inspiration for the Lute Society's work in that field. We don't have specific plans beyond Cherbury, but I very much hope that the series will be able to continue, ideally until every English lute manuscript is in print. That will take some time, but it's good to hold onto the vision. Best wishes, Denys Denys Stephens General Editor of Music Editions The Lute Society -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of A. J. Ness Sent: 01 February 2011 15:08 To: simon.lamb...@stfc.ac.uk; Lute List Subject: [LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society Here's a link to the Society's list of facsimiles, etc., in case there are other things that interest you. Dd 2.11 isn't listed yet: http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/pages/catalogue Some of us have had to wait for 30 years for the Lord Herbert facsimile. Bob Spencer had it at the top of his list, but was unsuccessful in getting the library to release it for a facsimile. It would be at the top of my list, too. It was quite a frustrating experience for him. He would mutter, We'll just have to wait until he [the librarian] retires. Dd 2.11 is listed in the pipeline: http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/pages/pipeline - Original Message - From: simon.lamb...@stfc.ac.uk To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 7:39 AM Subject: [LUTE] Future facsimiles from the Lute Society There have been some queries about the Lute Society's future plans for publishing facsimiles, following the launch of Cambridge Dd.2.11. Chris Goodwin, the Secretary of the Society, tells me that the next on the list is Herbert of Cherbury, though Dd.2.11 will have to pay for itself first - which sounds like a good reason to go and buy a copy if you haven't yet done so! Simon Lambert Oxford, England -- Scanned by iCritical. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society
Dear lute friends, It's always the question what's the most useful manner for the research and for the musicians. In general, I mean it's the best to make a commented edition with concordances and explanations on the context and the book itself. I'm preparing to publish the Swiss sources step by step. The next - when my book The Lute in Europe 2 is finished and the edition of all pieces written by notator B of the Rhétorique is done - after CH-BEa HA 123 (see http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/DownloadD/files/CH-BEa_123.pdf) will be CH-Bu F.IX.53 ad CH-SAM FP/M 1 2 which I already have payed or I took the photographs and got the permission to publish them for free on the net. An other online facsimile I made together with François-Pierre Goy is here - for free: http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/DownloadD/files/B-Bc_FA_VI_10.pdf Compare the old facsimile (Editions Culture et Civilisation) and our new online facsimile: What's the more useful edition in your opinion? I'm interested in comments. Andreas Am 01.02.2011 um 21:54 schrieb wikla: Dear Denys copy to the List, perhaps the digitalized computer readable facsimiles could be published already before the analysed, commented and prettily printed (expensive? but also valuable) books? More and more digital material is published by more and more museums around Europe. I hope England will follow... Yep, I know, it is about the funding, not the museums... But vote a government that will fund the museums... ;-) Arto On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 20:37:13 -, Denys Stephens denyssteph...@sky.com wrote: Dear Arthur All, Further to Chris Goodwin's comments reported below I am glad to be able to add that preparatory work on the Lord Herbert Of Cherbury facsimile is at an advanced stage and is going well. I would hesitate to predict a completion date - as with all Lute Society publications the preparation is carried out by dedicated individuals giving their time to the work involved, and sometimes there are unexpected interruptions. But it is definitely the next planned Lute Society facsimile, and a publication date within the next year seems entirely possible at the moment. When to publish it after the preparation is complete will be a committee decision, and as has already been said, the Lute Society's ability to produce new facsimilies does depend on support for the existing publications. It's good to see Robert Spencer's name mentioned in the context of the Cherbury manuscript. His vision of making lute manuscripts available in facsimile is still a major inspiration for the Lute Society's work in that field. We don't have specific plans beyond Cherbury, but I very much hope that the series will be able to continue, ideally until every English lute manuscript is in print. That will take some time, but it's good to hold onto the vision. Best wishes, Denys Denys Stephens General Editor of Music Editions The Lute Society -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of A. J. Ness Sent: 01 February 2011 15:08 To: simon.lamb...@stfc.ac.uk; Lute List Subject: [LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society Here's a link to the Society's list of facsimiles, etc., in case there are other things that interest you. Dd 2.11 isn't listed yet: http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/pages/catalogue Some of us have had to wait for 30 years for the Lord Herbert facsimile. Bob Spencer had it at the top of his list, but was unsuccessful in getting the library to release it for a facsimile. It would be at the top of my list, too. It was quite a frustrating experience for him. He would mutter, We'll just have to wait until he [the librarian] retires. Dd 2.11 is listed in the pipeline: http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/pages/pipeline - Original Message - From: simon.lamb...@stfc.ac.uk To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 7:39 AM Subject: [LUTE] Future facsimiles from the Lute Society There have been some queries about the Lute Society's future plans for publishing facsimiles, following the launch of Cambridge Dd.2.11. Chris Goodwin, the Secretary of the Society, tells me that the next on the list is Herbert of Cherbury, though Dd.2.11 will have to pay for itself first - which sounds like a good reason to go and buy a copy if you haven't yet done so! Simon Lambert Oxford, England -- Scanned by iCritical. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society
Dear Andreas and the List(-s), your CH-BEa_123.pdf and B-Bc_FA_VI_10.pdf are really wonderful! I think this is the thus far most useful way of combining facsimile and musicological scholarship. From the player's viewpoint (well just mine...) the important points are - good enough photos of the original pages, so that you can also enlarge unclear places and can try to guess, what there is under the spot of ink... ;-), but no extremely huge amount of pixels are needed - good and clear analysis and listing of names, composers and concordances and also links to other mss. and books - comments of possible errors/misprints - these of course are more or less opinions, but educated opinions are always welcome What is not important: - modern staff notation (=piano tabulature) - often more harm than use - from player's viewpoint, again - if the original is legible, no modern lute tabulature is needed - in case of too much guessing, educated reconstruction is - on the other hand - very welcome I am sure musicological needs will be different. And I am still dear friend of beautiful books, too! :-) Thanks and all the best, Arto On 02/02/11 00:31, Andreas Schlegel wrote: Dear lute friends, It's always the question what's the most useful manner for the research and for the musicians. In general, I mean it's the best to make a commented edition with concordances and explanations on the context and the book itself. I'm preparing to publish the Swiss sources step by step. The next - when my book The Lute in Europe 2 is finished and the edition of all pieces written by notator B of the Rhétorique is done - after CH-BEa HA 123 (see http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/DownloadD/files/CH-BEa_123.pdf) will be CH-Bu F.IX.53 ad CH-SAM FP/M 1 2 which I already have payed or I took the photographs and got the permission to publish them for free on the net. An other online facsimile I made together with François-Pierre Goy is here - for free: http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/DownloadD/files/B-Bc_FA_VI_10.pdf Compare the old facsimile (Editions Culture et Civilisation) and our new online facsimile: What's the more useful edition in your opinion? I'm interested in comments. Andreas Am 01.02.2011 um 21:54 schrieb wikla: Dear Denys copy to the List, perhaps the digitalized computer readable facsimiles could be published already before the analysed, commented and prettily printed (expensive? but also valuable) books? More and more digital material is published by more and more museums around Europe. I hope England will follow... Yep, I know, it is about the funding, not the museums... But vote a government that will fund the museums... ;-) Arto On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 20:37:13 -, Denys Stephensdenyssteph...@sky.com wrote: Dear Arthur All, Further to Chris Goodwin's comments reported below I am glad to be able to add that preparatory work on the Lord Herbert Of Cherbury facsimile is at an advanced stage and is going well. I would hesitate to predict a completion date - as with all Lute Society publications the preparation is carried out by dedicated individuals giving their time to the work involved, and sometimes there are unexpected interruptions. But it is definitely the next planned Lute Society facsimile, and a publication date within the next year seems entirely possible at the moment. When to publish it after the preparation is complete will be a committee decision, and as has already been said, the Lute Society's ability to produce new facsimilies does depend on support for the existing publications. It's good to see Robert Spencer's name mentioned in the context of the Cherbury manuscript. His vision of making lute manuscripts available in facsimile is still a major inspiration for the Lute Society's work in that field. We don't have specific plans beyond Cherbury, but I very much hope that the series will be able to continue, ideally until every English lute manuscript is in print. That will take some time, but it's good to hold onto the vision. Best wishes, Denys Denys Stephens General Editor of Music Editions The Lute Society -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of A. J. Ness Sent: 01 February 2011 15:08 To: simon.lamb...@stfc.ac.uk; Lute List Subject: [LUTE] Re: Future facsimiles from the Lute Society Here's a link to the Society's list of facsimiles, etc., in case there are other things that interest you. Dd 2.11 isn't listed yet: http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/pages/catalogue Some of us have had to wait for 30 years for the Lord Herbert facsimile. Bob Spencer had it at the top of his list, but was unsuccessful in getting the library to release it for a facsimile. It would be at the top of my list, too. It was quite a frustrating experience for him. He would mutter, We'll just have to wait until he [the librarian] retires. Dd 2.11 is listed in the pipeline: http://www.lutesoc.co.uk
