[LUTE] Re: More dots
It is - and I recommend playing the Ricercars for their excessive use of it - you don't get better exercise in holding notes. :) Am 04.08.2018 um 14:48 schrieb Leonard Williams: What is the significance of the double-"x" after some notes? Is this a hold sign? Leonard -Original Message- From: Sean Smith To: lute Sent: Fri, Aug 3, 2018 7:15 pm Subject: [LUTE] More dots Antonio Rota in his first book has a Saltarelo and Piva in the Dm Antico dance cycle that includes the passage (more or less similar in each) I2 0.2.3.5.7.I I3 2.3.5.7.8.I etc. It may not be clear above but it's a run of thirds where each cipher has a dot following. The passage continues into the 2nd and third courses and the initial downbeat in each measure is undotted. Is he suggesting both notes are a) played with the index b) some non-thumb finger c) something else? brushed? strummed? two-note dedillo? lighter? AR is quite liberal in his right-of-cipher dottage in this print while the Gardane print (same year) strips them all away. AR also uses dots beside rootless chords on off-beats, including non-adjacent strings. I'm suspecting the innocuous dot may have other meanings beside "index finger here" but I'm not sure what. Suggestions? Speculation? Here is the facsimile link to the book [with thanks to Jo Bringmann]. The passages are on 13v and 15r. [1][1]http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/0007/bsb00071965/images/index .ht ml?id Sean -- References 1. To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References Visible links 1. http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/0007/bsb00071965/images/index.ht 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Hidden links: 4. http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/0007/bsb00071965/images/index.html?id
[LUTE] Re: More dots
What is the significance of the double-"x" after some notes? Is this a hold sign? Leonard -Original Message- From: Sean Smith To: lute Sent: Fri, Aug 3, 2018 7:15 pm Subject: [LUTE] More dots Antonio Rota in his first book has a Saltarelo and Piva in the Dm Antico dance cycle that includes the passage (more or less similar in each) I2 0.2.3.5.7.I I3 2.3.5.7.8.I etc. It may not be clear above but it's a run of thirds where each cipher has a dot following. The passage continues into the 2nd and third courses and the initial downbeat in each measure is undotted. Is he suggesting both notes are a) played with the index b) some non-thumb finger c) something else? brushed? strummed? two-note dedillo? lighter? AR is quite liberal in his right-of-cipher dottage in this print while the Gardane print (same year) strips them all away. AR also uses dots beside rootless chords on off-beats, including non-adjacent strings. I'm suspecting the innocuous dot may have other meanings beside "index finger here" but I'm not sure what. Suggestions? Speculation? Here is the facsimile link to the book [with thanks to Jo Bringmann]. The passages are on 13v and 15r. [1][1]http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/0007/bsb00071965/images/index .ht ml?id Sean -- References 1. To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References Visible links 1. http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/0007/bsb00071965/images/index.ht 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Hidden links: 4. http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/0007/bsb00071965/images/index.html?id
[LUTE] Re: More dots
I can't put my finger on it (erm...), but when playing Alberto it occurred frequently that you need to play "dotted" chords, which probably means index+2 as a downstroke. This is a nice effect. Maybe someone professional can explain. Am 04.08.2018 um 02:51 schrieb Sean Smith: Thanks, Tristan. Which books did you see the Alberto dots in this context? The Fezandant publications include right-hand dots frequently in the guitar books but I don't recall any running thirds. I don't mind looking again, though. Sean AR's intabulations are nice, too. Pardon the weird formatting above. Sean On Aug 3, 2018 5:37 PM, "Tristan von Neumann" <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: I guess the most logical way is to play the run with index and middle finger (not dedillo), it's also most convenient. Sounds great if played with panache. Albert de Rippe has some similar dotting in his style and it makes sense. For my taste, this gives more control over the brightness and clarity of the notes. What strikes me more with Rotta's works is the detailed instructions which notes to hold, sometimes three notes, which leave you with few ways to go to the next chord, or none, if you put the wrong fingers on them. :) His Ricercars are very good practice material for voice leading. Am 04.08.2018 um 01:15 schrieb Sean Smith: > Antonio Rota in his first book has a Saltarelo and Piva in the Dm > Antico dance cycle that includes the passage (more or less similar in > each) > I2 0.2.3.5.7.I > I3 2.3.5.7.8.Ietc. > It may not be clear above but it's a run of thirds where each cipher > has a dot following. The passage continues into the 2nd and third > courses and the initial downbeat in each measure is undotted. Is he > suggesting both notes are > a) played with the index > b) some non-thumb finger > c) something else? brushed? strummed? two-note dedillo? lighter? > AR is quite liberal in his right-of-cipher dottage in this print while > the Gardane print (same year) strips them all away. > AR also uses dots beside rootless chords on off-beats, including > non-adjacent strings. I'm suspecting the innocuous dot may have other > meanings beside "index finger here" but I'm not sure what. Suggestions? > Speculation? > Here is the facsimile link to the book [with thanks to Jo Bringmann]. > The passages are on 13v and 15r. > [1][2]http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/0007/bsb00071965/images/index .ht > ml?id=00071965==193.174.98.30==26 > Sean > > -- > > References > > 1. [3]http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/0007/bsb00071965/images/index.ht ml?id=00071965==193.174.98.30==26 > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- References 1. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 2. http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/0007/bsb00071965/images/index.ht 3. http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/0007/bsb00071965/images/index.html?id=00071965==193.174.98.30==26 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: More dots
Thanks, Tristan. Which books did you see the Alberto dots in this context? The Fezandant publications include right-hand dots frequently in the guitar books but I don't recall any running thirds. I don't mind looking again, though. Sean AR's intabulations are nice, too. Pardon the weird formatting above. Sean On Aug 3, 2018 5:37 PM, "Tristan von Neumann" <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: I guess the most logical way is to play the run with index and middle finger (not dedillo), it's also most convenient. Sounds great if played with panache. Albert de Rippe has some similar dotting in his style and it makes sense. For my taste, this gives more control over the brightness and clarity of the notes. What strikes me more with Rotta's works is the detailed instructions which notes to hold, sometimes three notes, which leave you with few ways to go to the next chord, or none, if you put the wrong fingers on them. :) His Ricercars are very good practice material for voice leading. Am 04.08.2018 um 01:15 schrieb Sean Smith: > Antonio Rota in his first book has a Saltarelo and Piva in the Dm > Antico dance cycle that includes the passage (more or less similar in > each) > I2 0.2.3.5.7.I > I3 2.3.5.7.8.Ietc. > It may not be clear above but it's a run of thirds where each cipher > has a dot following. The passage continues into the 2nd and third > courses and the initial downbeat in each measure is undotted. Is he > suggesting both notes are > a) played with the index > b) some non-thumb finger > c) something else? brushed? strummed? two-note dedillo? lighter? > AR is quite liberal in his right-of-cipher dottage in this print while > the Gardane print (same year) strips them all away. > AR also uses dots beside rootless chords on off-beats, including > non-adjacent strings. I'm suspecting the innocuous dot may have other > meanings beside "index finger here" but I'm not sure what. Suggestions? > Speculation? > Here is the facsimile link to the book [with thanks to Jo Bringmann]. > The passages are on 13v and 15r. > [1][2]http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/0007/bsb00071965/images/index .ht > ml?id=00071965==193.174.98.30==26 > Sean > > -- > > References > > 1. [3]http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/0007/bsb00071965/images/index.ht ml?id=00071965==193.174.98.30==26 > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- References 1. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 2. http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/0007/bsb00071965/images/index.ht 3. http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/0007/bsb00071965/images/index.html?id=00071965==193.174.98.30==26 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: More dots
I guess the most logical way is to play the run with index and middle finger (not dedillo), it's also most convenient. Sounds great if played with panache. Albert de Rippe has some similar dotting in his style and it makes sense. For my taste, this gives more control over the brightness and clarity of the notes. What strikes me more with Rotta's works is the detailed instructions which notes to hold, sometimes three notes, which leave you with few ways to go to the next chord, or none, if you put the wrong fingers on them. :) His Ricercars are very good practice material for voice leading. Am 04.08.2018 um 01:15 schrieb Sean Smith: Antonio Rota in his first book has a Saltarelo and Piva in the Dm Antico dance cycle that includes the passage (more or less similar in each) I2 0.2.3.5.7.I I3 2.3.5.7.8.I etc. It may not be clear above but it's a run of thirds where each cipher has a dot following. The passage continues into the 2nd and third courses and the initial downbeat in each measure is undotted. Is he suggesting both notes are a) played with the index b) some non-thumb finger c) something else? brushed? strummed? two-note dedillo? lighter? AR is quite liberal in his right-of-cipher dottage in this print while the Gardane print (same year) strips them all away. AR also uses dots beside rootless chords on off-beats, including non-adjacent strings. I'm suspecting the innocuous dot may have other meanings beside "index finger here" but I'm not sure what. Suggestions? Speculation? Here is the facsimile link to the book [with thanks to Jo Bringmann]. The passages are on 13v and 15r. [1]http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/0007/bsb00071965/images/index.ht ml?id=00071965==193.174.98.30==26 Sean -- References 1. http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/0007/bsb00071965/images/index.html?id=00071965==193.174.98.30==26 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
