Re: LaTeX3 Error: Backend request inconsistent with engine: using 'pdfmode'

2020-10-30 Thread Scott Kostyshak 
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 12:38:23AM -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 05:49:22PM +0100, Kornel Benko wrote:
> > Am Sun, 23 Feb 2020 16:28:19 - (UTC)
> > schrieb Guenter Milde :
> > 
> > > On 2020-02-22, Kornel Benko wrote:
> > > 
> > > > [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: quoted-printable --]  
> > > 
> > > > Am Sat, 22 Feb 2020 19:04:48 - (UTC)
> > > > schrieb Guenter Milde :  
> > > >> On 2020-02-22, Kornel Benko wrote:  
> > > >> > Am Sat, 22 Feb 2020 09:44:21 - (UTC)
> > > >> > schrieb Guenter Milde :
> > > >> >> On 2020-02-20, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> > > >> >> > On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 04:44:07PM +0100, Kornel Benko wrote: 
> > > >> >> >  
> > > >> >> >> Am Mon, 3 Feb 2020 10:42:06 -0500
> > > >> >> >> schrieb Scott Kostyshak :  
> > > >> >> >> > On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 04:29:34PM +0100, Kornel Benko wrote:  
> > > >> >> >> > 
> > > 
> > > >> >> ...
> > > 
> > > >> >> > I tested on an updated TL. Removing the custom class option dvips 
> > > >> >> > fixes
> > > >> >> > it. However, I'm not sure this is the right thing to do. In the 
> > > >> >> > inverted
> > > >> >> > tests, we have the following:  
> > > 
> > > >> >> >   # Comment by Jürgen Spitzmüller
> > > >> >> >   # The document requests the dvips graphics driver,
> > > >> >> >   # and of course this fails with any other backend.
> > > >> >> >   #
> > > >> >> >   # The document compiles if one sets the graphics driver to 
> > > >> >> > "Automatic"
> > > >> >> >   # and remove the dvips class option. But then, the output is 
> > > >> >> > not correct
> > > >> >> >   # (rotation of foils does not work).
> > > >> >> >   export/examples/(|fr/)Presentations/Foils_pdf[45]_systemF  
> > > 
> > > >> >> > The output does not seem to change with or without the option for 
> > > >> >> > pdf2
> > > >> >> > format, but the above comment suggests it does for other formats. 
> > > >> >> >  
> > > 
> > > >> >> Could you please test export to Postscript or PDF (ps2pdf) and 
> > > >> >> check the
> > > >> >> orientation of rotated pages in the output?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >> > No visible differences.
> > > >> > 'diffpdf' finds some, but only some glyphs are there, see attached.  
> > > >> >   
> > > 
> > > >> If it is/looks right with "auto" now, then it should be save to change 
> > > >> from
> > > >> "dvips" to "auto" and remove the clause and comment from 
> > > >> "invertedTests".  
> > > 
> > > >> Günter  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Looks OK for examples/Presentations/Foils.lyx
> > > > but not for  examples/fr/Presentations/Foils.lyx
> > > > PDF (xetex) (system fonts) OK
> > > > PDF (luatex) (system fonts) OK
> > > > PDF (luatex) (tex fonts) gives following error
> > > > ...
> > > > LaTeX Font Info:Checking defaults for U/cmr/m/n on input 
> > > > line 43.
> > > > LaTeX Font Info:... okay on input line 43.
> > > > LaTeX Info: Redefining \dots on input line 43.
> > > > LaTeX Info: Redefining \up on input line 43.
> > > > LaTeX Font Info:Font shape `T1/fcmss/b/n' in size <29.86> 
> > > > not available
> > > > (Font)  Font shape `T1/fcmss/bx/n' tried instead on 
> > > > input line 49.
> > > > ! error:  (linebreak): invalid list tail, probably missing glue
> > > > !  ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!  
> > > 
> > > This looks to me like a different problem. We should invert or ignore the
> > > "LuaTeX with tex fonts" export (Foils is a rather old package and LuaTeX
> > > with 8-bit fonts is not supported by many packages and also seldom used.)
> > > 
> > > How about PDF (pdflatex)?
> > > 
> > > Günter
> > > 
> > This works.
> > BTW, changing the document language from French to English makes the doc 
> > compilable too.
> > I tried to create an mwe. The error comes as soon as
> > 1.) Doc-class FoilTeX
> > 2.) Doc-param empty (no dvips, (with dvips has other errors))
> > 3.) Doc-lang French
> > 4.) tex-fonts
> > 5.) output pdf (luatex)
> > 6.) ANY text in Title
> > 
> > Kornel
> 
> What did we decide to do on this? I think we found an improvement
> (remove "auto") for the English doc, but then we started trying to
> figure out the French issue, which is different, and we did not make any
> change in the end.
> 
> Should we remove "dvips" from the custom class option? What exactly
> should the "Graphics driver" combo box be set to? I do not see "auto".
> Should it be set to "Default"?

For now I have specified the default output format to be PDF (ps2pdf). If we 
remove the dvips from the custom class option, we should change the default 
output format. In that case we should also add a note that with XeLaTeX and 
LuaTeX pages which should be rotated are not rotated. I just checked that this 
still happens on updated TL20 (at least with XeLaTeX).

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Re: LaTeX3 Error: Backend request inconsistent with engine: using 'pdfmode'

2020-10-23 Thread Scott Kostyshak 
On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 05:49:22PM +0100, Kornel Benko wrote:
> Am Sun, 23 Feb 2020 16:28:19 - (UTC)
> schrieb Guenter Milde :
> 
> > On 2020-02-22, Kornel Benko wrote:
> > 
> > > [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: quoted-printable --]  
> > 
> > > Am Sat, 22 Feb 2020 19:04:48 - (UTC)
> > > schrieb Guenter Milde :  
> > >> On 2020-02-22, Kornel Benko wrote:  
> > >> > Am Sat, 22 Feb 2020 09:44:21 - (UTC)
> > >> > schrieb Guenter Milde :
> > >> >> On 2020-02-20, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> > >> >> > On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 04:44:07PM +0100, Kornel Benko wrote:  
> > >> >> >> Am Mon, 3 Feb 2020 10:42:06 -0500
> > >> >> >> schrieb Scott Kostyshak :  
> > >> >> >> > On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 04:29:34PM +0100, Kornel Benko wrote:
> > >> >> >> >   
> > 
> > >> >> ...
> > 
> > >> >> > I tested on an updated TL. Removing the custom class option dvips 
> > >> >> > fixes
> > >> >> > it. However, I'm not sure this is the right thing to do. In the 
> > >> >> > inverted
> > >> >> > tests, we have the following:  
> > 
> > >> >> >   # Comment by Jürgen Spitzmüller
> > >> >> >   # The document requests the dvips graphics driver,
> > >> >> >   # and of course this fails with any other backend.
> > >> >> >   #
> > >> >> >   # The document compiles if one sets the graphics driver to 
> > >> >> > "Automatic"
> > >> >> >   # and remove the dvips class option. But then, the output is not 
> > >> >> > correct
> > >> >> >   # (rotation of foils does not work).
> > >> >> >   export/examples/(|fr/)Presentations/Foils_pdf[45]_systemF  
> > 
> > >> >> > The output does not seem to change with or without the option for 
> > >> >> > pdf2
> > >> >> > format, but the above comment suggests it does for other formats.   
> > >> >> >
> > 
> > >> >> Could you please test export to Postscript or PDF (ps2pdf) and check 
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> orientation of rotated pages in the output?
> > 
> > 
> > >> > No visible differences.
> > >> > 'diffpdf' finds some, but only some glyphs are there, see attached.
> > 
> > >> If it is/looks right with "auto" now, then it should be save to change 
> > >> from
> > >> "dvips" to "auto" and remove the clause and comment from 
> > >> "invertedTests".  
> > 
> > >> Günter  
> > 
> > 
> > > Looks OK for examples/Presentations/Foils.lyx
> > > but not for  examples/fr/Presentations/Foils.lyx
> > > PDF (xetex) (system fonts) OK
> > > PDF (luatex) (system fonts) OK
> > > PDF (luatex) (tex fonts) gives following error
> > >   ...
> > >   LaTeX Font Info:Checking defaults for U/cmr/m/n on input line 43.
> > >   LaTeX Font Info:... okay on input line 43.
> > >   LaTeX Info: Redefining \dots on input line 43.
> > >   LaTeX Info: Redefining \up on input line 43.
> > >   LaTeX Font Info:Font shape `T1/fcmss/b/n' in size <29.86> not 
> > > available
> > >   (Font)  Font shape `T1/fcmss/bx/n' tried instead on input 
> > > line 49.
> > >   ! error:  (linebreak): invalid list tail, probably missing glue
> > >   !  ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!  
> > 
> > This looks to me like a different problem. We should invert or ignore the
> > "LuaTeX with tex fonts" export (Foils is a rather old package and LuaTeX
> > with 8-bit fonts is not supported by many packages and also seldom used.)
> > 
> > How about PDF (pdflatex)?
> > 
> > Günter
> > 
> This works.
> BTW, changing the document language from French to English makes the doc 
> compilable too.
> I tried to create an mwe. The error comes as soon as
> 1.) Doc-class FoilTeX
> 2.) Doc-param empty (no dvips, (with dvips has other errors))
> 3.) Doc-lang French
> 4.) tex-fonts
> 5.) output pdf (luatex)
> 6.) ANY text in Title
> 
>   Kornel

What did we decide to do on this? I think we found an improvement
(remove "auto") for the English doc, but then we started trying to
figure out the French issue, which is different, and we did not make any
change in the end.

Should we remove "dvips" from the custom class option? What exactly
should the "Graphics driver" combo box be set to? I do not see "auto".
Should it be set to "Default"?

Scott


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Re: LaTeX3 Error: Backend request inconsistent with engine: using 'pdfmode'

2020-02-24 Thread Scott Kostyshak 
On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 12:50:57PM +0100, Kornel Benko wrote:
> Am Mon, 24 Feb 2020 11:37:36 - (UTC)
> schrieb Guenter Milde :
> 
> > >> How about PDF (pdflatex)?  
> > 
> > > This works.  
> > 
> > Good.
> > 
> > > BTW, changing the document language from French to English makes the doc 
> > > compilable
> > > too. I tried to create an mwe. The error comes as soon as  
> > 
> > > 1.) Doc-class FoilTeX
> > > 2.) Doc-param empty (no dvips, (with dvips has other errors))
> > > 3.) Doc-lang French
> > > 4.) tex-fonts
> > > 5.) output pdf (luatex)  
> > 
> > How about DVI (luatex)?
> 
> Fails too. Independent of setting dvips or not.
> 
> > > 6.) ANY text in Title  
> > 
> > This seems to be an incompatibility of FoilTeX, babel-French, and LuaTeX.
> > Hard to tell which party is to blame.
> > 
> > I recommend to invert or ignore this test (as LaTeX error).
> > 
> > Optionally file bug reports with LaTeX MWE to the respective maintainers.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Günter
> 
> OK. Waiting for Scott?

I'm fine with inverting/ignoring.

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Re: LaTeX3 Error: Backend request inconsistent with engine: using 'pdfmode'

2020-02-24 Thread Kornel Benko 
Am Mon, 24 Feb 2020 11:37:36 - (UTC)
schrieb Guenter Milde :

> >> How about PDF (pdflatex)?  
> 
> > This works.  
> 
> Good.
> 
> > BTW, changing the document language from French to English makes the doc 
> > compilable
> > too. I tried to create an mwe. The error comes as soon as  
> 
> > 1.) Doc-class FoilTeX
> > 2.) Doc-param empty (no dvips, (with dvips has other errors))
> > 3.) Doc-lang French
> > 4.) tex-fonts
> > 5.) output pdf (luatex)  
> 
> How about DVI (luatex)?

Fails too. Independent of setting dvips or not.

> > 6.) ANY text in Title  
> 
> This seems to be an incompatibility of FoilTeX, babel-French, and LuaTeX.
> Hard to tell which party is to blame.
> 
> I recommend to invert or ignore this test (as LaTeX error).
> 
> Optionally file bug reports with LaTeX MWE to the respective maintainers.
> 
> Thanks,
> Günter

OK. Waiting for Scott?

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Re: LaTeX3 Error: Backend request inconsistent with engine: using 'pdfmode'

2020-02-24 Thread Guenter Milde 
On 2020-02-23, Kornel Benko wrote:
> Am Sun, 23 Feb 2020 16:28:19 - (UTC)
> schrieb Guenter Milde :
>> On 2020-02-22, Kornel Benko wrote:

>> >> >> ...

>> >> >> > I tested on an updated TL. Removing the custom class option
>> >> >> > dvips fixes it. However, I'm not sure this is the right thing
>> >> >> > to do. In the inverted tests, we have the following: 
...

>> >> If it is/looks right with "auto" now, then it should be save to
>> >> change from "dvips" to "auto" and remove the clause and comment
>> >> from "invertedTests".  

>> > Looks OK for examples/Presentations/Foils.lyx
>> > but not for  examples/fr/Presentations/Foils.lyx
>> > PDF (xetex) (system fonts) OK
>> > PDF (luatex) (system fonts) OK
>> > PDF (luatex) (tex fonts) gives following error

...

>> >! error:  (linebreak): invalid list tail, probably missing glue
>> >!  ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!  

>> This looks to me like a different problem. We should invert or ignore the
>> "LuaTeX with tex fonts" export (Foils is a rather old package and LuaTeX
>> with 8-bit fonts is not supported by many packages and also seldom used.)

>> How about PDF (pdflatex)?

> This works.

Good.

> BTW, changing the document language from French to English makes the doc 
> compilable too.
> I tried to create an mwe. The error comes as soon as

> 1.) Doc-class FoilTeX
> 2.) Doc-param empty (no dvips, (with dvips has other errors))
> 3.) Doc-lang French
> 4.) tex-fonts
> 5.) output pdf (luatex)

How about DVI (luatex)?

> 6.) ANY text in Title

This seems to be an incompatibility of FoilTeX, babel-French, and LuaTeX.
Hard to tell which party is to blame.

I recommend to invert or ignore this test (as LaTeX error).

Optionally file bug reports with LaTeX MWE to the respective maintainers.

Thanks,
Günter

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Re: LaTeX3 Error: Backend request inconsistent with engine: using 'pdfmode'

2020-02-23 Thread Kornel Benko 
Am Sun, 23 Feb 2020 16:28:19 - (UTC)
schrieb Guenter Milde :

> On 2020-02-22, Kornel Benko wrote:
> 
> > [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: quoted-printable --]  
> 
> > Am Sat, 22 Feb 2020 19:04:48 - (UTC)
> > schrieb Guenter Milde :  
> >> On 2020-02-22, Kornel Benko wrote:  
> >> > Am Sat, 22 Feb 2020 09:44:21 - (UTC)
> >> > schrieb Guenter Milde :
> >> >> On 2020-02-20, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> >> >> > On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 04:44:07PM +0100, Kornel Benko wrote:  
> >> >> >> Am Mon, 3 Feb 2020 10:42:06 -0500
> >> >> >> schrieb Scott Kostyshak :  
> >> >> >> > On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 04:29:34PM +0100, Kornel Benko wrote:  
> 
> >> >> ...
> 
> >> >> > I tested on an updated TL. Removing the custom class option dvips 
> >> >> > fixes
> >> >> > it. However, I'm not sure this is the right thing to do. In the 
> >> >> > inverted
> >> >> > tests, we have the following:  
> 
> >> >> >   # Comment by Jürgen Spitzmüller
> >> >> >   # The document requests the dvips graphics driver,
> >> >> >   # and of course this fails with any other backend.
> >> >> >   #
> >> >> >   # The document compiles if one sets the graphics driver to 
> >> >> > "Automatic"
> >> >> >   # and remove the dvips class option. But then, the output is not 
> >> >> > correct
> >> >> >   # (rotation of foils does not work).
> >> >> >   export/examples/(|fr/)Presentations/Foils_pdf[45]_systemF  
> 
> >> >> > The output does not seem to change with or without the option for pdf2
> >> >> > format, but the above comment suggests it does for other formats. 
> >> >> >  
> 
> >> >> Could you please test export to Postscript or PDF (ps2pdf) and check the
> >> >> orientation of rotated pages in the output?
> 
> 
> >> > No visible differences.
> >> > 'diffpdf' finds some, but only some glyphs are there, see attached.
> 
> >> If it is/looks right with "auto" now, then it should be save to change from
> >> "dvips" to "auto" and remove the clause and comment from "invertedTests".  
> 
> >> Günter  
> 
> 
> > Looks OK for examples/Presentations/Foils.lyx
> > but not for  examples/fr/Presentations/Foils.lyx
> > PDF (xetex) (system fonts) OK
> > PDF (luatex) (system fonts) OK
> > PDF (luatex) (tex fonts) gives following error
> > ...
> > LaTeX Font Info:Checking defaults for U/cmr/m/n on input line 43.
> > LaTeX Font Info:... okay on input line 43.
> > LaTeX Info: Redefining \dots on input line 43.
> > LaTeX Info: Redefining \up on input line 43.
> > LaTeX Font Info:Font shape `T1/fcmss/b/n' in size <29.86> not 
> > available
> > (Font)  Font shape `T1/fcmss/bx/n' tried instead on input 
> > line 49.
> > ! error:  (linebreak): invalid list tail, probably missing glue
> > !  ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!  
> 
> This looks to me like a different problem. We should invert or ignore the
> "LuaTeX with tex fonts" export (Foils is a rather old package and LuaTeX
> with 8-bit fonts is not supported by many packages and also seldom used.)
> 
> How about PDF (pdflatex)?
> 
> Günter
> 
This works.
BTW, changing the document language from French to English makes the doc 
compilable too.
I tried to create an mwe. The error comes as soon as
1.) Doc-class FoilTeX
2.) Doc-param empty (no dvips, (with dvips has other errors))
3.) Doc-lang French
4.) tex-fonts
5.) output pdf (luatex)
6.) ANY text in Title

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Re: LaTeX3 Error: Backend request inconsistent with engine: using 'pdfmode'

2020-02-23 Thread Guenter Milde 
On 2020-02-22, Kornel Benko wrote:

> [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: quoted-printable --]

> Am Sat, 22 Feb 2020 19:04:48 - (UTC)
> schrieb Guenter Milde :
>> On 2020-02-22, Kornel Benko wrote:
>> > Am Sat, 22 Feb 2020 09:44:21 - (UTC)
>> > schrieb Guenter Milde :  
>> >> On 2020-02-20, Scott Kostyshak wrote:  
>> >> > On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 04:44:07PM +0100, Kornel Benko wrote:
>> >> >> Am Mon, 3 Feb 2020 10:42:06 -0500
>> >> >> schrieb Scott Kostyshak :
>> >> >> > On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 04:29:34PM +0100, Kornel Benko wrote:

>> >> ...  

>> >> > I tested on an updated TL. Removing the custom class option dvips fixes
>> >> > it. However, I'm not sure this is the right thing to do. In the inverted
>> >> > tests, we have the following:

>> >> >   # Comment by Jürgen Spitzmüller
>> >> >   # The document requests the dvips graphics driver,
>> >> >   # and of course this fails with any other backend.
>> >> >   #
>> >> >   # The document compiles if one sets the graphics driver to "Automatic"
>> >> >   # and remove the dvips class option. But then, the output is not 
>> >> > correct
>> >> >   # (rotation of foils does not work).
>> >> >   export/examples/(|fr/)Presentations/Foils_pdf[45]_systemF

>> >> > The output does not seem to change with or without the option for pdf2
>> >> > format, but the above comment suggests it does for other formats.

>> >> Could you please test export to Postscript or PDF (ps2pdf) and check the
>> >> orientation of rotated pages in the output?  


>> > No visible differences.
>> > 'diffpdf' finds some, but only some glyphs are there, see attached.  

>> If it is/looks right with "auto" now, then it should be save to change from
>> "dvips" to "auto" and remove the clause and comment from "invertedTests".

>> Günter


> Looks OK for examples/Presentations/Foils.lyx
> but not for  examples/fr/Presentations/Foils.lyx
> PDF (xetex) (system fonts) OK
> PDF (luatex) (system fonts) OK
> PDF (luatex) (tex fonts) gives following error
>   ...
>   LaTeX Font Info:Checking defaults for U/cmr/m/n on input line 43.
>   LaTeX Font Info:... okay on input line 43.
>   LaTeX Info: Redefining \dots on input line 43.
>   LaTeX Info: Redefining \up on input line 43.
>   LaTeX Font Info:Font shape `T1/fcmss/b/n' in size <29.86> not 
> available
>   (Font)  Font shape `T1/fcmss/bx/n' tried instead on input 
> line 49.
>   ! error:  (linebreak): invalid list tail, probably missing glue
>   !  ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!

This looks to me like a different problem. We should invert or ignore the
"LuaTeX with tex fonts" export (Foils is a rather old package and LuaTeX
with 8-bit fonts is not supported by many packages and also seldom used.)

How about PDF (pdflatex)?

Günter

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Re: LaTeX3 Error: Backend request inconsistent with engine: using 'pdfmode'

2020-02-22 Thread Kornel Benko 
Am Sat, 22 Feb 2020 19:04:48 - (UTC)
schrieb Guenter Milde :

> On 2020-02-22, Kornel Benko wrote:
> > Am Sat, 22 Feb 2020 09:44:21 - (UTC)
> > schrieb Guenter Milde :  
> 
> >> On 2020-02-20, Scott Kostyshak wrote:  
> >> > On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 04:44:07PM +0100, Kornel Benko wrote:
> >> >> Am Mon, 3 Feb 2020 10:42:06 -0500
> >> >> schrieb Scott Kostyshak :
> >> >> > On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 04:29:34PM +0100, Kornel Benko wrote:
> 
> >> ...  
> 
> >> > I tested on an updated TL. Removing the custom class option dvips fixes
> >> > it. However, I'm not sure this is the right thing to do. In the inverted
> >> > tests, we have the following:
> 
> >> >   # Comment by Jürgen Spitzmüller
> >> >   # The document requests the dvips graphics driver,
> >> >   # and of course this fails with any other backend.
> >> >   #
> >> >   # The document compiles if one sets the graphics driver to "Automatic"
> >> >   # and remove the dvips class option. But then, the output is not 
> >> > correct
> >> >   # (rotation of foils does not work).
> >> >   export/examples/(|fr/)Presentations/Foils_pdf[45]_systemF
> 
> >> > The output does not seem to change with or without the option for pdf2
> >> > format, but the above comment suggests it does for other formats.
> 
> >> Could you please test export to Postscript or PDF (ps2pdf) and check the
> >> orientation of rotated pages in the output?  
> 
> 
> > No visible differences.
> > 'diffpdf' finds some, but only some glyphs are there, see attached.  
> 
> If it is/looks right with "auto" now, then it should be save to change from
> "dvips" to "auto" and remove the clause and comment from "invertedTests".
> 
> Günter
> 

Looks OK for examples/Presentations/Foils.lyx
but not for  examples/fr/Presentations/Foils.lyx
PDF (xetex) (system fonts) OK
PDF (luatex) (system fonts) OK
PDF (luatex) (tex fonts) gives following error
...
LaTeX Font Info:Checking defaults for U/cmr/m/n on input line 43.
LaTeX Font Info:... okay on input line 43.
LaTeX Info: Redefining \dots on input line 43.
LaTeX Info: Redefining \up on input line 43.
LaTeX Font Info:Font shape `T1/fcmss/b/n' in size <29.86> not 
available
(Font)  Font shape `T1/fcmss/bx/n' tried instead on input 
line 49.
! error:  (linebreak): invalid list tail, probably missing glue
!  ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!

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Re: LaTeX3 Error: Backend request inconsistent with engine: using 'pdfmode'

2020-02-22 Thread Guenter Milde 
On 2020-02-22, Kornel Benko wrote:
> Am Sat, 22 Feb 2020 09:44:21 - (UTC)
> schrieb Guenter Milde :

>> On 2020-02-20, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
>> > On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 04:44:07PM +0100, Kornel Benko wrote:  
>> >> Am Mon, 3 Feb 2020 10:42:06 -0500
>> >> schrieb Scott Kostyshak :  
>> >> > On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 04:29:34PM +0100, Kornel Benko wrote:  

>> ...

>> > I tested on an updated TL. Removing the custom class option dvips fixes
>> > it. However, I'm not sure this is the right thing to do. In the inverted
>> > tests, we have the following:  

>> >   # Comment by Jürgen Spitzmüller
>> >   # The document requests the dvips graphics driver,
>> >   # and of course this fails with any other backend.
>> >   #
>> >   # The document compiles if one sets the graphics driver to "Automatic"
>> >   # and remove the dvips class option. But then, the output is not correct
>> >   # (rotation of foils does not work).
>> >   export/examples/(|fr/)Presentations/Foils_pdf[45]_systemF  

>> > The output does not seem to change with or without the option for pdf2
>> > format, but the above comment suggests it does for other formats.  

>> Could you please test export to Postscript or PDF (ps2pdf) and check the
>> orientation of rotated pages in the output?


> No visible differences.
> 'diffpdf' finds some, but only some glyphs are there, see attached.

If it is/looks right with "auto" now, then it should be save to change from
"dvips" to "auto" and remove the clause and comment from "invertedTests".

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Re: LaTeX3 Error: Backend request inconsistent with engine: using 'pdfmode'

2020-02-22 Thread Kornel Benko 
Am Sat, 22 Feb 2020 09:44:21 - (UTC)
schrieb Guenter Milde :

> On 2020-02-20, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 04:44:07PM +0100, Kornel Benko wrote:  
> >> Am Mon, 3 Feb 2020 10:42:06 -0500
> >> schrieb Scott Kostyshak :  
> >> > On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 04:29:34PM +0100, Kornel Benko wrote:  
> 
> ...
> 
> > I tested on an updated TL. Removing the custom class option dvips fixes
> > it. However, I'm not sure this is the right thing to do. In the inverted
> > tests, we have the following:  
> 
> >   # Comment by Jürgen Spitzmüller
> >   # The document requests the dvips graphics driver,
> >   # and of course this fails with any other backend.
> >   #
> >   # The document compiles if one sets the graphics driver to "Automatic"
> >   # and remove the dvips class option. But then, the output is not correct
> >   # (rotation of foils does not work).
> >   export/examples/(|fr/)Presentations/Foils_pdf[45]_systemF  
> 
> > The output does not seem to change with or without the option for pdf2
> > format, but the above comment suggests it does for other formats.  
> 
> Could you please test export to Postscript or PDF (ps2pdf) and check the
> orientation of rotated pages in the output?
> 
> Günter
> 

No visible differences.
'diffpdf' finds some, but only some glyphs are there, see attached.

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Re: LaTeX3 Error: Backend request inconsistent with engine: using 'pdfmode'

2020-02-22 Thread Guenter Milde 
On 2020-02-20, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 04:44:07PM +0100, Kornel Benko wrote:
>> Am Mon, 3 Feb 2020 10:42:06 -0500
>> schrieb Scott Kostyshak :
>> > On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 04:29:34PM +0100, Kornel Benko wrote:

...

> I tested on an updated TL. Removing the custom class option dvips fixes
> it. However, I'm not sure this is the right thing to do. In the inverted
> tests, we have the following:

>   # Comment by Jürgen Spitzmüller
>   # The document requests the dvips graphics driver,
>   # and of course this fails with any other backend.
>   #
>   # The document compiles if one sets the graphics driver to "Automatic"
>   # and remove the dvips class option. But then, the output is not correct
>   # (rotation of foils does not work).
>   export/examples/(|fr/)Presentations/Foils_pdf[45]_systemF

> The output does not seem to change with or without the option for pdf2
> format, but the above comment suggests it does for other formats.

Could you please test export to Postscript or PDF (ps2pdf) and check the
orientation of rotated pages in the output?

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Re: LaTeX3 Error: Backend request inconsistent with engine: using 'pdfmode'

2020-02-19 Thread Scott Kostyshak 
On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 04:44:07PM +0100, Kornel Benko wrote:
> Am Mon, 3 Feb 2020 10:42:06 -0500
> schrieb Scott Kostyshak :
> 
> > On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 04:29:34PM +0100, Kornel Benko wrote:
> > > 
> > > This is for instance with examples/Presentations/Foils.lyx trying to use 
> > > pdflatex.
> > > Same error witth lualatex.
> > > OTOH, if compiled first to dvi, also pdflatex and lualatex compile fine.  
> > 
> > For me the compilation with pdflatex works fine on master, but I have an
> > outdated TeX Live version (and I don't want to update right now since I
> > don't want to break compilations I need for work).
> > 
> > Remind me in a week or so if there is still a mystery and I can test on
> > an updated TL once I get my Virtual Box setup working again.
> > 
> > Scott
> 
> I hope, I don't forget. :)

I tested on an updated TL. Removing the custom class option dvips fixes
it. However, I'm not sure this is the right thing to do. In the inverted
tests, we have the following:

  # Comment by Jürgen Spitzmüller
  # The document requests the dvips graphics driver,
  # and of course this fails with any other backend.
  #
  # The document compiles if one sets the graphics driver to "Automatic"
  # and remove the dvips class option. But then, the output is not correct
  # (rotation of foils does not work).
  export/examples/(|fr/)Presentations/Foils_pdf[45]_systemF

The output does not seem to change with or without the option for pdf2
format, but the above comment suggests it does for other formats.

I don't know if the change in latex3 was intended. For example, here's a
related issue:

  https://github.com/latex3/latex3/issues/677
  
https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/529129/backend-inconsistent-error-when-using-xelatex-with-dvisvgm-backend

Does anyone know whether the change is intended or should we file a bug
report?

Scott


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Re: "LaTeX3 Error: Command '\textsi' not yet defined!"

2020-02-16 Thread David Pesetsky 
Thanks.  Is there a way to stop LaTeX3 from compiling the file?  In fact, 
independent of using or not using this package, since starting to use Lyx again 
a day ago, no matter what I compile, I periodically see the message "L3 
Programming Layer " on the status bar at the bottom of the Lyx window.

Lyx 2.3.4.2
MacOS Catalina 10.15.3

-David

On Feb 16, 2020, at 6:34 AM, Richard Kimberly Heck 
mailto:rikih...@lyx.org>> wrote:

On 2/15/20 5:52 PM, David Pesetsky wrote:
I was using Lyx for Mac rather extensively to write a long-ish manuscript about 
a year ago, but have been away from it for a while.

In the interval, a problem has arisen, though nothing has changed in my setup 
besides updating Lyx and Latex via TexLive.  I install the embrac package, 
which ensures non-italic brackets in otherwise italicized environments.  This 
used to work without a problem, but now generates the error message:

LaTeX3 Error: Command '\textsi' not yet defined!

I am sure of my trouble-shooting, since commenting out the usepackage command 
eliminates the error.

This is pretty suspicious. It suggests, to me, that LaTeX3 is being used to 
compile this file, which will almost certainly cause major problems with LyX. 
Then again, it's possible that the problem is just local to the embrac package. 
You might try writing the maintainer at 
cont...@mychemistry.eu.

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Re: "LaTeX3 Error: Command '\textsi' not yet defined!"

2020-02-16 Thread Richard Kimberly Heck 
On 2/15/20 5:52 PM, David Pesetsky wrote:
> I was using Lyx for Mac rather extensively to write a long-ish
> manuscript about a year ago, but have been away from it for a while.
>
> In the interval, a problem has arisen, though nothing has changed in
> my setup besides updating Lyx and Latex via TexLive.  I install the
> embrac package, which ensures non-italic brackets in otherwise
> italicized environments.  This used to work without a problem, but now
> generates the error message:
>
> LaTeX3 Error: Command '\textsi' not yet defined!
>
> I am sure of my trouble-shooting, since commenting out the usepackage
> command eliminates the error. 

This is pretty suspicious. It suggests, to me, that LaTeX3 is being used
to compile this file, which will almost certainly cause major problems
with LyX. Then again, it's possible that the problem is just local to
the embrac package. You might try writing the maintainer at
cont...@mychemistry.eu.

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Re: LaTeX3 Error: Backend request inconsistent with engine: using 'pdfmode'

2020-02-03 Thread Kornel Benko 
Am Mon, 3 Feb 2020 10:42:06 -0500
schrieb Scott Kostyshak :

> On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 04:29:34PM +0100, Kornel Benko wrote:
> > 
> > This is for instance with examples/Presentations/Foils.lyx trying to use 
> > pdflatex.
> > Same error witth lualatex.
> > OTOH, if compiled first to dvi, also pdflatex and lualatex compile fine.  
> 
> For me the compilation with pdflatex works fine on master, but I have an
> outdated TeX Live version (and I don't want to update right now since I
> don't want to break compilations I need for work).
> 
> Remind me in a week or so if there is still a mystery and I can test on
> an updated TL once I get my Virtual Box setup working again.
> 
> Scott

I hope, I don't forget. :)

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Re: LaTeX3 Error: Backend request inconsistent with engine: using 'pdfmode'

2020-02-03 Thread Scott Kostyshak 
On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 04:29:34PM +0100, Kornel Benko wrote:
> 
> This is for instance with examples/Presentations/Foils.lyx trying to use 
> pdflatex.
> Same error witth lualatex.
> OTOH, if compiled first to dvi, also pdflatex and lualatex compile fine.

For me the compilation with pdflatex works fine on master, but I have an
outdated TeX Live version (and I don't want to update right now since I
don't want to break compilations I need for work).

Remind me in a week or so if there is still a mystery and I can test on
an updated TL once I get my Virtual Box setup working again.

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Re: LaTeX3

2014-02-06 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes 

29/01/2014 23:04, Andrew Parsloe:

I don't recall seeing any mention of LaTeX3 on either developers or
users lists over the decade I've been following them. I discovered
LaTeX3 last year and was struck by how much easier it is to code in TeX
using the expl3 language of LaTeX3 rather than directly in TeX/LaTeX2e,
and also by the potential for LyX development in LaTeX3 packages like
xparse (for the treatment of arguments in insets), and xtemplate
(underlying a future LyX layout editor perhaps?).


Seeing our current workforce, I do not think that we can be leaders on 
something like that. We'll probably do something once LaTeX3 is commonly 
used...


JMarc

Re: LaTeX3

2014-02-06 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes 

29/01/2014 23:04, Andrew Parsloe:

I don't recall seeing any mention of LaTeX3 on either developers or
users lists over the decade I've been following them. I "discovered"
LaTeX3 last year and was struck by how much easier it is to code in TeX
using the expl3 language of LaTeX3 rather than directly in TeX/LaTeX2e,
and also by the potential for LyX development in LaTeX3 packages like
xparse (for the treatment of arguments in insets), and xtemplate
(underlying a future LyX layout editor perhaps?).


Seeing our current workforce, I do not think that we can be leaders on 
something like that. We'll probably do something once LaTeX3 is commonly 
used...


JMarc

Re: LaTeX3

2014-02-04 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn 
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Andrew Parsloe apars...@clear.net.nzwrote:

 I don't recall seeing any mention of LaTeX3 on either developers or users
 lists over the decade I've been following them. I discovered LaTeX3 last
 year and was struck by how much easier it is to code in TeX using the expl3
 language of LaTeX3 rather than directly in TeX/LaTeX2e, and also by the
 potential for LyX development in LaTeX3 packages like xparse (for the
 treatment of arguments in insets), and xtemplate (underlying a future LyX
 layout editor perhaps?).

 There is currently a discussion taking place on the LaTeX3 mailing list
 about graphical front ends to LaTeX3 in which LyX has been mentioned a
 number of times (generally to be dismissed as not quite cutting the
 mustard). It started with

 Sean Allred Feasibility of GUIs for authors and class designers in
 LaTeX3 (28/01/2014) on late...@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de

 and has had a number of responses since, including from Frank Mittelbach.
 (Registering for this list is a bit fiddly.)

 Andrew

 PS I dream, years hence, of LyX 3 embodying LaTeX3 in much the way that
 LyX 2 embodies LaTeX2e now, and then come to my senses with a start when I
 realise that LyX 2.1.0 is still only a gleam in the eyes of its developers.


I'm trying to read into LaTeX3 but if someone could give me a summary on
what this could mean for LyX, I would be happy.

Maybe it would be a good Google Summer of Code project to make an initial
support of LaTeX3 ??

Anyone that want to compose a description for the project ? Any mentor for
such a project ?

Vincent

Re: LaTeX3

2014-02-04 Thread Andrew Parsloe 



On 4/02/2014 10:33 p.m., Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:



On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Andrew Parsloe apars...@clear.net.nz
mailto:apars...@clear.net.nz wrote:

I don't recall seeing any mention of LaTeX3 on either developers or
users lists over the decade I've been following them. I discovered
LaTeX3 last year and was struck by how much easier it is to code in
TeX using the expl3 language of LaTeX3 rather than directly in
TeX/LaTeX2e, and also by the potential for LyX development in LaTeX3
packages like xparse (for the treatment of arguments in insets), and
xtemplate (underlying a future LyX layout editor perhaps?).

There is currently a discussion taking place on the LaTeX3 mailing
list about graphical front ends to LaTeX3 in which LyX has been
mentioned a number of times (generally to be dismissed as not quite
cutting the mustard). It started with

Sean Allred Feasibility of GUIs for authors and class designers in
LaTeX3 (28/01/2014) on late...@listserv.uni-__HEIDELBERG.DE
mailto:late...@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de

and has had a number of responses since, including from Frank
Mittelbach. (Registering for this list is a bit fiddly.)

Andrew





I'm trying to read into LaTeX3 but if someone could give me a summary on
what this could mean for LyX, I would be happy.


The particular points that struck me about LaTeX3 were the packages 
xparse and xtemplate (contained in l3packages).


xparse handles arguments for LaTeX commands in a far more versatile and 
clear way than LaTeX2e. The new treatment of arguments in LyX 2.1 was a 
big step in this direction but there are still desirable enhancements 
(e.g. star * arguments, other delimiters for the main argument than {}).


The xtemplate documentation lists three layers to producing a document:

1. authoring of the text with mark-up
2. document layout design
3. implementation (with TeX programming) of the design

and goes on to say The idea behind xtemplate is to clearly separate the 
three layers ... so that document authors who are not programmers can 
easily change the design of their documents. I wondered if xtemplate 
might form the basis for the much talked about LyX layout editor. (The 
xfrac package, also in l3packages, gives an example of using xtemplate.)


There are other l3 packages of interest, like l3fp (in l3kernel) and 
l3sort (in l3experimental). l3fp is a built-in floating point package 
which makes the current calc package seem clunky. l3sort fills the 
sorting gap in LaTeX. (Using the expl3 language, I've created a 
package from it that allows one to sort tables in LyX, i.e. in the pdf 
output or instant preview. I'll put it on the wiki.)


However, xtemplate seems to be the really significant package with its 
idea of the different layers of document construction, and which 
underlies the current discussion on the LaTeX3 mailing list.


Andrew


Maybe it would be a good Google Summer of Code project to make an
initial support of LaTeX3 ??
Anyone that want to compose a description for the project ? Any mentor
for such a project ?
Vincent




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Re: LaTeX3

2014-02-04 Thread Liviu Andronic 
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn v...@lyx.org wrote:



 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Andrew Parsloe apars...@clear.net.nz
 wrote:

 I don't recall seeing any mention of LaTeX3 on either developers or users
 lists over the decade I've been following them. I discovered LaTeX3 last
 year and was struck by how much easier it is to code in TeX using the expl3
 language of LaTeX3 rather than directly in TeX/LaTeX2e, and also by the
 potential for LyX development in LaTeX3 packages like xparse (for the
 treatment of arguments in insets), and xtemplate (underlying a future LyX
 layout editor perhaps?).

 There is currently a discussion taking place on the LaTeX3 mailing list
 about graphical front ends to LaTeX3 in which LyX has been mentioned a
 number of times (generally to be dismissed as not quite cutting the
 mustard). It started with

 Sean Allred Feasibility of GUIs for authors and class designers in
 LaTeX3 (28/01/2014) on late...@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de

 and has had a number of responses since, including from Frank Mittelbach.
 (Registering for this list is a bit fiddly.)

 Andrew

 PS I dream, years hence, of LyX 3 embodying LaTeX3 in much the way that
 LyX 2 embodies LaTeX2e now, and then come to my senses with a start when I
 realise that LyX 2.1.0 is still only a gleam in the eyes of its developers.


 I'm trying to read into LaTeX3 but if someone could give me a summary on
 what this could mean for LyX, I would be happy.

See also the following for a relevant discussion:
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/158524/about-the-features-of-latex3
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/117984/using-latex3s-xtemplate?lq=1

Liviu


 Maybe it would be a good Google Summer of Code project to make an initial
 support of LaTeX3 ??

 Anyone that want to compose a description for the project ? Any mentor for
 such a project ?

 Vincent





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Re: LaTeX3

2014-02-04 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn 
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Andrew Parsloe wrote:

> I don't recall seeing any mention of LaTeX3 on either developers or users
> lists over the decade I've been following them. I "discovered" LaTeX3 last
> year and was struck by how much easier it is to code in TeX using the expl3
> language of LaTeX3 rather than directly in TeX/LaTeX2e, and also by the
> potential for LyX development in LaTeX3 packages like xparse (for the
> treatment of arguments in insets), and xtemplate (underlying a future LyX
> layout editor perhaps?).
>
> There is currently a discussion taking place on the LaTeX3 mailing list
> about graphical front ends to LaTeX3 in which LyX has been mentioned a
> number of times (generally to be dismissed as not quite "cutting the
> mustard"). It started with
>
> Sean Allred "Feasibility of GUIs for authors and class designers in
> LaTeX3" (28/01/2014) on late...@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de
>
> and has had a number of responses since, including from Frank Mittelbach.
> (Registering for this list is a bit fiddly.)
>
> Andrew
>
> PS I dream, years hence, of LyX 3 embodying LaTeX3 in much the way that
> LyX 2 embodies LaTeX2e now, and then come to my senses with a start when I
> realise that LyX 2.1.0 is still only a gleam in the eyes of its developers.
>
>
I'm trying to read into LaTeX3 but if someone could give me a summary on
what this could mean for LyX, I would be happy.

Maybe it would be a good Google Summer of Code project to make an initial
support of LaTeX3 ??

Anyone that want to compose a description for the project ? Any mentor for
such a project ?

Vincent

Re: LaTeX3

2014-02-04 Thread Andrew Parsloe 



On 4/02/2014 10:33 p.m., Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:



On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Andrew Parsloe > wrote:

I don't recall seeing any mention of LaTeX3 on either developers or
users lists over the decade I've been following them. I "discovered"
LaTeX3 last year and was struck by how much easier it is to code in
TeX using the expl3 language of LaTeX3 rather than directly in
TeX/LaTeX2e, and also by the potential for LyX development in LaTeX3
packages like xparse (for the treatment of arguments in insets), and
xtemplate (underlying a future LyX layout editor perhaps?).

There is currently a discussion taking place on the LaTeX3 mailing
list about graphical front ends to LaTeX3 in which LyX has been
mentioned a number of times (generally to be dismissed as not quite
"cutting the mustard"). It started with

Sean Allred "Feasibility of GUIs for authors and class designers in
LaTeX3" (28/01/2014) on late...@listserv.uni-__HEIDELBERG.DE


and has had a number of responses since, including from Frank
Mittelbach. (Registering for this list is a bit fiddly.)

Andrew





I'm trying to read into LaTeX3 but if someone could give me a summary on
what this could mean for LyX, I would be happy.


The particular points that struck me about LaTeX3 were the packages 
xparse and xtemplate (contained in l3packages).


xparse handles arguments for LaTeX commands in a far more versatile and 
clear way than LaTeX2e. The new treatment of arguments in LyX 2.1 was a 
big step in this direction but there are still desirable enhancements 
(e.g. star * arguments, other delimiters for the main argument than {}).


The xtemplate documentation lists three layers to producing a document:

1. authoring of the text with mark-up
2. document layout design
3. implementation (with TeX programming) of the design

and goes on to say "The idea behind xtemplate is to clearly separate the 
three layers ... so that document authors who are not programmers can 
easily change the design of their documents." I wondered if xtemplate 
might form the basis for the much talked about LyX layout editor. (The 
xfrac package, also in l3packages, gives an example of using xtemplate.)


There are other l3 packages of interest, like l3fp (in l3kernel) and 
l3sort (in l3experimental). l3fp is a built-in floating point package 
which makes the current calc package seem clunky. l3sort fills the 
"sorting gap" in LaTeX. (Using the expl3 language, I've created a 
package from it that allows one to sort tables in LyX, i.e. in the pdf 
output or instant preview. I'll put it on the wiki.)


However, xtemplate seems to be the really significant package with its 
idea of the different layers of document construction, and which 
underlies the current discussion on the LaTeX3 mailing list.


Andrew


Maybe it would be a good Google Summer of Code project to make an
initial support of LaTeX3 ??
Anyone that want to compose a description for the project ? Any mentor
for such a project ?
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Re: LaTeX3

2014-02-04 Thread Liviu Andronic 
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn  wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Andrew Parsloe 
> wrote:
>>
>> I don't recall seeing any mention of LaTeX3 on either developers or users
>> lists over the decade I've been following them. I "discovered" LaTeX3 last
>> year and was struck by how much easier it is to code in TeX using the expl3
>> language of LaTeX3 rather than directly in TeX/LaTeX2e, and also by the
>> potential for LyX development in LaTeX3 packages like xparse (for the
>> treatment of arguments in insets), and xtemplate (underlying a future LyX
>> layout editor perhaps?).
>>
>> There is currently a discussion taking place on the LaTeX3 mailing list
>> about graphical front ends to LaTeX3 in which LyX has been mentioned a
>> number of times (generally to be dismissed as not quite "cutting the
>> mustard"). It started with
>>
>> Sean Allred "Feasibility of GUIs for authors and class designers in
>> LaTeX3" (28/01/2014) on late...@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de
>>
>> and has had a number of responses since, including from Frank Mittelbach.
>> (Registering for this list is a bit fiddly.)
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> PS I dream, years hence, of LyX 3 embodying LaTeX3 in much the way that
>> LyX 2 embodies LaTeX2e now, and then come to my senses with a start when I
>> realise that LyX 2.1.0 is still only a gleam in the eyes of its developers.
>>
>
> I'm trying to read into LaTeX3 but if someone could give me a summary on
> what this could mean for LyX, I would be happy.
>
See also the following for a relevant discussion:
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/158524/about-the-features-of-latex3
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/117984/using-latex3s-xtemplate?lq=1

Liviu


> Maybe it would be a good Google Summer of Code project to make an initial
> support of LaTeX3 ??
>
> Anyone that want to compose a description for the project ? Any mentor for
> such a project ?
>
> Vincent
>
>



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