Re: picture environment
Thanks for all the recommendations. For what I want to do at this time, which is very simple, I think the picture environment will work okay. I tried the diagrams.net and it was very simple to draw my block diagram, but when saved as pdf it did not want to import into Lyx. I saved it as svg and looked at in my my Rhino3D drawing program and found it to be huge and had to scale it way way down. I think that eventually I'll want to try Tikz/pgf and I looked into it and realize that there is a learning curve. So I'll stick with simple for now. In fact, I think I'm going to go back to plain old Latex that I used several years ago. I feel like I can know what's going on better. Incidentally, I don't have a good understanding of how this group works so I hope I'm responding in a good way. My apologies if not. I seem to be getting messages about other issues that I'm not interested in also. Joe On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 8:17 AM Baris Erkus wrote: > On 15-Jan-21 9:21 PM, Joe Babb wrote: > > I am trying to use Lyx to document some math and electronics and I need to > place a block diagram into my document. I can draw the diagram in a > separate program and insert the jpg into Lyx, but what I'd rather do is > draw it directly in Lyx and be able to place Greek characters in each box. > I used to use Latex years ago and have the fourth edition of Guide to > Latex which talks about the picture environment. But I find no picture > environment in Lyx. I read on the Internet about typing an M-x somewhere > to get to insert commands directly but can't get that to work. I keep > wanting to work in the code preview pane to insert Latex code directly but > can't. Is it possible at all in Lyx to to a block diagram? > thanks, > Joe > > Normally, you can insert any LaTeX code (including picture environment) > using Ctrl-L or Insert -> TeX Code. This is called "ERT" in LyX AFAIK. > > Since you want to write your code for graphics, I would recommend Tikz/pgf > for general sketches, instead of the old-school picture environment. Of > course, Some other WYSIWYG tools maybe more faster to generate some > specific graphics (e.g. the type of diagrams you want in your document) > without LaTeX coding, but I find Tikz quite powerful to invest in. > > CTAN says "PGF is a macro package for creating graphics. It is platform- > and format-independent and works together with the most important TEX > backend drivers, including pdfTEX and dvips. It comes with a user-friendly > syntax layer called TikZ" > > So, inclusion of LaTeX math is straightforward in Tikz, while other tools > may need some tricks to get full benefits of LaTeX. Tikz has some many > packages, maybe one of them is good for your diagrams. Please look at the > Pgf/Tikz manual. > > One recommendation here tough: Do not write your graphics code in LyX. > Generate it outside with regular LaTeX, and save your image as PDF. Then, > include the PDF into the LyX as figure. The issue with including the > graphics code in LyX is that, compilation times will get longer, and it > would be difficult to find the errors in your code as you have more > graphics and you have more text. Moreover, you will find out that the ERT > coding environment is not very user friendly as your figure gets > complicated, as it was not intended to develop code in there. I have done > this before, and I have found myself testing the code with LaTeX outside > LyX to find the errors. Therefore, LaTeX editors are better for this > purpose (e.g. TeXmaker, TeXstudio, even Notepad++). > > If you want to give a try, I have attached two files: one for the figure > and the other one is for the settings. Compile sample.tex with latex and > you have your figure as PDF, ready to insert into LyX. > > -- > ↓↓ > Please bottom-post. Start your reply here: > > -- > lyx-users mailing list > lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users > -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
picture environment
I am trying to use Lyx to document some math and electronics and I need to place a block diagram into my document. I can draw the diagram in a separate program and insert the jpg into Lyx, but what I'd rather do is draw it directly in Lyx and be able to place Greek characters in each box. I used to use Latex years ago and have the fourth edition of Guide to Latex which talks about the picture environment. But I find no picture environment in Lyx. I read on the Internet about typing an M-x somewhere to get to insert commands directly but can't get that to work. I keep wanting to work in the code preview pane to insert Latex code directly but can't. Is it possible at all in Lyx to to a block diagram? thanks, Joe -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: all-inclusive file format
It would appear that on Jul 28, Hobbs,Tom did say: > Goodness gracious. Just put everything in a folder and send that, which is > precisely what MS Word does without you knowing it. It would appear that on Jul 28, Roberto did say: > On 28/07/2017 04:07, Hobbs,Tom wrote: > > which is precisely what MS Word does without you knowing it. > and that is precisely what I do not want to know about and I am bothered by :) Pardon me for jumping in here. I use LyX primarily because it is NOT like MS Word or other WYSIWYG word processors. In which environment I can't keep track of what I'm doing without some feature I don't want automatically messing with what I'm doing. Well that and the way it keeps me from accidentally fat fingering extra spaces between words and a few other such things so that I can concentrate on what I'm writing instead of how it looks. Please please please don't make LyX more like Word. Please! -- Joe <jtw...@gmx.com>
Re: How do I copy text from LyX to xterm/rxvt?
It would appear that on Apr 21, Helge Hafting did say: > Thanks to all who replied, indicating some sort of local problem. > > I use the middle mouse button when I use the mouse to select, and that is more > common. Especially when copying between programs, when I need the mouse to > switch focus anyway. (Forget alt+tab with more than "a few" windows.) Whereas my own experience is somewhat different. But then I use separate desktop areas for unrelated open windows so alt+tab only has a few windows to cycle. On the other hand I tend to have several related lyx files open, but that's alt+v so there's no conflict. > When one is used to the ease of middle clicking, reaching for the keyboard > takes way too much time. And not all apps use the same cut/paste keys. Using a > right-click menu is even worse. I've never found middle clicking easy. Even when I once actually had a three button mouse. Now using a 2 button trackball on the PC and the Dell laptop has an oversensitive non-synaptic touchpad that won't let me disable tap to click. I'm always using a keybinding to switch desktop areas just so I can get the laptop's mouse pointer somewhere near where I even might want a click event before switching back to the appropriate desktop area. As it happens, I'm rather dependent on that right click menu. > The hassle of bringing up a menu and locating the right choice when I already > had my > finger on the mouse button that always do the right thing. The only time I don't find it a hassle to use mouse copy/paste techniques is when I'm moving text to/from an xterm (or more likely kde's Konsole which is one of the few kde applications I still use since kde4 chased me away) > I feel pain when I see beginners bringing up cut/paste menus on linux because > they're > used to such cumbersome ways from windows. I use those menus a lot. But not because I got used to it from -retch- windows I've been running from windows since version 3x. Only ever use it when forced to use proprietary software that doesn't run without it. But then that's the beauty of Linux. There are so many different ways to do things that different people with different skills aren't always forced to do things the same way. -- Joe
Re: spellchecker keybindings {Find next, Ignore & aDd} conflict with {File, Insert & Document}
It would appear that on Sep 2, Scott Kostyshak did say: > On Fri, Sep 02, 2016 at 09:52:13PM -0400, Joe Philbrook wrote: > > > > Ticket #10357 (new enhancement) > > > > How did I do? > > Looks good! I removed the keywords since we use a fixed set, which is > described here: > http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/TicketKeywords > > I also categorized the bug as "dialogs". Thanks for making it more presentable... > By the way, do you have any experience programming and could perhaps > propose a patch if we decide what direction we want to go on this? Not unless bash scripting counts. > Thanks for making the ticket. It was actually much easier to do than I expected. -- Joe
Re: spellchecker keybindings {Find next, Ignore & aDd} conflict with {File, Insert & Document}
It would appear that on Aug 31, Scott Kostyshak did say: > On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 07:39:34PM -0400, Joe Philbrook wrote: > > > Please tell me that I'm not looking at (3 x 3 = 9) nine trac tickets here... > > Good point. I don't have general advice on what topics should be > grouped. If they are topics that shoudl be addressed all at once and it > would be silly to address one and not the other, then I think such a > group of issues should be in one ticket. Just make your best guess. Ticket #10357 (new enhancement) How did I do? -- Joe
Re: spellchecker keybindings {Find next, Ignore & aDd} conflict with {File, Insert & Document}
It would appear that on Aug 31, Scott Kostyshak did say: > Hi Joe, > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 05:22:43PM -0400, Joe Philbrook wrote: > > > > Hi, First let me say I'm addicted to LyX for composing almost anything I > > care about. > > It helps keep me from fat fingering multiple spaces between words etc... > > And lets me set screen > > font sizes I can see without my reading glasses even when the targeted > > output font sizes are > > too small for my eyes WITH the glasses... The list goes on and on... Thanks! > > Thanks for the kind feedback! > Your most welcome. == > > When I use the spellchecker in LyX and the word I'm looking for is in the > > sUggestions list I'm > > very happy cause there is no conflict for the {alt}+{u} shortcut that lets > > me use the cursor > > keys to select it and {Enter} to apply the spelling correction. > > > > But if I need to tell it to ignore an instance where a character in a story > > is being quoted as > > saying something not in the dictionary lists {Think Homer Simpson saying > > "Doh"} That I may want > > to Ignore. Or perhaps I wanted to use an unusual word such as hisself > > instead of himself > > because it's "In character" for the character being quoted and wish to aDd > > it to my word list. > > And while I never use it, the same problem exists for the "Find next" > > button. > > So I was hoping there was a way to selectively change the keybindings on > > those buttons to > > something that doesn't conflict with the menu bar bindings. == > If I understand correctly, there is no way to customize the buttons from > user text files. But the changes you suggest seem useful more generally > so perhaps we could incorporate them into LyX by default. > > You could make a request for us to make changes at > http://www.lyx.org/trac > > If you have multiple suggestions, please make separate trac tickets > (although feel free to reference each other). OK, This would be worth the effort. Hopefully I can write such a request clearly enough... Though I'm not sure if you mean incorporate different "preset shortcuts" for these buttons, or to incorporate a method for the user to select the shortcuts they prefer. Those users who would find this most useful would be the ones who, for one reason or another, avoid using the mouse. They, like me, would tend to collect a lot of personal keyboard shortcuts. And it would be nice to know that I could keep the new ones from conflicting with any of the "global" keybindings in my ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml... Though admittedly, in my case, if they consist of just {alt}+{almost any single key} I wouldn't have such a conflict because most of my global shortcuts require at least two modifier keys. It also occurs to me that there might be a way to simply cause those spellchecker button's keybindings to preempt the ones in the menu bar while the spellchecker is active. Not being a programmer {aside from bash scripts} I wouldn't know which of those three possible fixes is more practical to implement. Nor am I certain that three different suggested solutions to the SAME problem would require three separate trac tickets?? Also I'd like to think that it would be OK to put all three of the affected spellchecker buttons on the same ticket?? Please tell me that I'm not looking at (3 x 3 = 9) nine trac tickets here... -- Joe Philbrook (:-0%
spellchecker keybindings {Find next, Ignore & aDd} conflict with {File, Insert & Document}
Hi, First let me say I'm addicted to LyX for composing almost anything I care about. It helps keep me from fat fingering multiple spaces between words etc... And lets me set screen font sizes I can see without my reading glasses even when the targeted output font sizes are too small for my eyes WITH the glasses... The list goes on and on... Thanks! However my problem with the spellchecker dialog's keybindings have More to do with my own dexterity issues that have always made using the mouse difficult at best. And with carpel tunnel issues that often make mouse based methods painful. {Don't know why I'm able to keyboard for hours before my hands go numb, but the mouse can do it in just a few minutes. But the result is I'm addicted to keyboard shortcuts and keyboard accessible menu based methods. When I use the spellchecker in LyX and the word I'm looking for is in the sUggestions list I'm very happy cause there is no conflict for the {alt}+{u} shortcut that lets me use the cursor keys to select it and {Enter} to apply the spelling correction. But if I need to tell it to ignore an instance where a character in a story is being quoted as saying something not in the dictionary lists {Think Homer Simpson saying "Doh"} That I may want to Ignore. Or perhaps I wanted to use an unusual word such as hisself instead of himself because it's "In character" for the character being quoted and wish to aDd it to my word list. And while I never use it, the same problem exists for the "Find next" button. Lately my problems with mouse operation have been getting worse: It can take me over a minute to maneuver the "dag nabbed" rodent pointing device over the correct "durned" button... And the button keybindings indicated by the underscored character on the button label (AKA: {alt}+{f}, {alt}+{i} and {alt}+{d}) instead activate the File, Insert or Document menu choices... {sigh} So I was hoping there was a way to selectively change the keybindings on those buttons to something that doesn't conflict with the menu bar bindings. I use the standard user interface with the cua bind file. I've looked in Tools > Preferences > shortcuts and the only spellchecker related shortcut I can find is the {F7} to start the spellchecking function {which I do NOT want to change} Even though more advanced methods {if any} of modifying LyX's keybindings are beyond my understanding, I've looked for clues in Help > LyX Functions, Help > Shortcuts without finding anything that looks like the add word or ignore word spellchecker button functions to me. I also did a less /usr/share/lyx/bind/cua.bind But I didn't see anything that looked like it there either. I probably should mention that I multi-boot three different Linux distros that share the same data partition with whichever version of LyX is in their repos. Only one of them is bleeding edge enough to have lyx 2.2.x The other 2 have LyX 2.1.x. And since one of the reasons I multi-boot is I've been known to to bork an installed Linux so bad that it can take me weeks to get X running again and it's such a pain to remember to lyx2lyx the updated *.lyx back to lyxformat 474 {while hoping I didn't accidentally use some new feature that doesn't convert back cleanly} THEN until either Mageia or Opensuse add LyX 2.2.x to their repos I'll avoid using LyX in my rolling release antiX installation in favor of the LyX 2.1.x installed to my Mageia Linux or my Opensuse Leap Linux installations. Usually Opensuse Leap where it's currently LyX 2.1.5... Is there a reliable way to "push" those buttons with the keyboard I don't know if it matters but a LONG time ago I selected to run the spellchecker in the {docked?} sidebar instead of free floating because I need to actually see the context to for example notice if it's Homer saying "Doh" or an actual typo, and using the mouse to move the floating spellchecker dialog out of the way is even more difficult than getting the {expletive deleted} rodent to point at the button long enough for my hands to click on it... Thanks -- Joe Philbrook <jtw...@gmx.com> (:-0%
Re: remove word from personal dictionary....
It would appear that on Jul 1, Charlie did say: > There is no .dict in the whole of my /home directory. > > My spellchecker is Enchant. > > So, just to be certain as I could be. Ran a search through the entire > hard drive, all directories, and came up with plenty of .dict - 94 in > fact, but none that showed me where I might find the file I need. > > I'll just have to leave it as it is unless that drop down menu holds > the key. Hello Charlie. I may have a scrap of information that could help you... I've been using LyX to write sci-fi stories for a while now and I needed to know where my spellchecker words were saved. So I could have the script that opens my story and related .lyx documents, swap out my regular spell checker file(s) for copies that included the fictional words that are part of my story just before it opens my story files with LyX. Then when I close that LyX session, my script swaps my regular spellchecker files back in, so I don't accidentally include one of my "fictional words" in a formal letter or something... Anyway, since my copy of LyX 2.1.4 happens to be using enchant I checked my script for the pathname of the file: ~/.config/enchant/en_US.dic Then I fired up LyX 2.1.4 on a test file and added the non-word "blablabla" to my word list, closed LyX and opened the above file with vim... Where I found "blablabla" at the bottom of the file: ~/.config/enchant/en_US.dic Needless to say, I promptly deleted that non-word from my word list. Hope this helps -- JtWdyP
Re: Paste becomes disabled after a while in Windows
It would appear that on Nov 6, Richard Heck did say: > As Vincent said, we'd LOVE to have more information about this bug. It seems > to happen only > on some machines, so may have something to do with what other programs are > running, and so > forth. If you can experiment at all along those lines, or even try to keep > track of what you > did right before the problem arose, we'd really appreciate it. I'm not sure if this is the same issue. But I've seen something similar on my Linux box. I multi-boot so I can't be completely sure it was my Mageia 5 installation. which is currently using LyX 2.1.3 as installed from mageia repos with urpmi. There is a slim chance that I was using antiX or Opensuse when I noticed this. But I'm usually using Mageia when I write. I'm not so sure it ties into how long LyX has been running. But when it happens the only available paste option is the paste recent one. In my case it seems to have more to do with where I copied/cut the contents of the clipboard from. Usually it happens when I use an online dictionary to confirm that I've got the right word. Typically I keep browser tabs open to vocabulary.com & yourdictionary.com... Once I'm sure I have the word I want to use I tend to copy it to the clipboard rather than risk mistyping it when I switch back to LyX. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it won't let me paste it. Which can start happening just as soon as I start LyX. But for certain, once it starts happening, it doesn't spontaneously resume working correctly. What I found always works is to switch to a blank leafpad document. Which will let me paste the word that LyX wouldn't. Then markall {^a} and cut {^x} switch back to LyX, which never refuses to let me paste something from a plain text document. If I used windows, I'd probably try walking the text through notepad or some such. -- JtWdyP
Re: LyX -> word.doc via Libreoffice -> smashwords "paragraph marks"
reposting because it seams posting with my current email in from address still fails to post. May be an issue with gmane gateway... -- Reposted message -- It would appear that on Sep 6, Joe did say: > LyX -> word.doc via Libreoffice -> smashwords "paragraph marks" > > I can't begin to list all the reasons why I want to write with LyX. > I can't begin to describe how messed up my 'work' would be if I had > to create and/or edit the text with ANY standard word processor. > > So what I'm doing is writing in LyX, *exporting {sort of} to the word.doc* **that smashwords wants me to upload my work as... I say sort of: I'm going with a hands on manual conversion process. That is at least repeatable. Which matters to me in case I decide to self publish more of them this way. > When I export to plain text, LyX adds all those extra carriage returns, like > I'd need if I wanted to read the exported text with something that doesn't > wrap the text, such as leafpad. And the thing I most want to preserve is the exact position of the paragraph marks, so I don't want the LyX to assume that the only way I want plain text output, is to send it to an old dot matrix printer that doesn't know how to word wrap. > I came up with a partial workaround. As long as there aren't any comment or > ert > boxes etc...: I open the .lyx file with LyX: {ctrl+a}{ctrl+c} > open a blank leafpad doc: {ctrl+v} > *find a way to strip out all those blank lines caused by LyX effectively using > double CRs as paragraph markers. I couldn't think of the syntax to strip > them out with sed, did a web search for it and came up with the answer to that part: code === sed '/^$/d' input.txt > output.txt or grep -v '^$' input.txt > output.txt /code === Now the problem with this resulting output is the lack of a TOC. So What I'm doing is exporting one copy to plain text in spite of all those pesky line feeds. I truncate the exported file right below the TOC listing. Then I apply the above workaround. Append the results to the first file. Open it for editing with my chosen text editor. And delete one or the other of the duplicated 'front-matter' lines. Then I copy the entire text file to the clipboard. Open a copy of the blank word.doc I'm using for a template with libreoffice. This "blank" file does have all the custom paragraph styles I need to reformat the final result to resemble how LyX would have formatted a pdf. But first I need to paste all that text from that text file into the "word.doc" So that I can start at the top, and apply the paragraph styles as needed. When I get to the TOC I use the list of chapters as a source for search strings that let me find the corresponding line in the text body that needs to have my custom "chapter header" style applied to it. And while I'm at it, I set an appropriately named bookmark to it. Reuse the search string to get back to the correct TOC entry, and make the hyperlink. Then I start on the text of each chapter. The majority of which is to simply select the first paragraph, apply a style I call MyIndent1st. And select the following paragraphs. to which I apply MyIndentSTD I also have MyDreamSequence1st and MyDreamSequenceSTD styles, among others. So I do have to pay attention as I apply the paragraph styles. But I'm not having much trouble with that part. You can tell me that I'm doing this the hard way if you want. But I'll get consistent results, every time I do it this way. So If I should decide to write a series of Ebooks, I'll get consistent results every time I self publish one. Of course I doubt this would work so good if I was writing something that needed tables, or other constructs that wouldn't make it through smashwords so called meat-grinder. But I'm writing fiction. So this will work for me, until I find a better way. If anyone knows of a better way to get the resulting word.doc, formatted to the exacting standards described in the smashwords style guide. And still look like the output LyX thought I meant when I composed with LyX. So that it could keep me from fat fingering extra spaces, and all the other formatting mistakes that would creep in to my work, if I tried to compose with a mere word processor. Then please give me a clue. Cause this repeatable kludge is a real PITA! Thank you! -- JtWdyP
Re: LyX -> word.doc via Libreoffice -> smashwords "paragraph marks"
It would appear that on Sep 24, Andrew Parsloe did say: > Have you considered exporting to rich text format and opening the resulting > rtf document in LibreOffice? I'm on windows, but I've found the program > latex2rtf does a pretty good job of handling even quite complicated LyX > objects (like tables, simple equations, footnotes). For straightforward text > (section headings, paragraphs, emphasised text etc.) it could save you a *lot* > of effort. Actually no, I hadn't considered that. Probably because I didn't know how. And if I needed tables, footnotes etc... I'd be all over that like white on rice. Might try it anyway. Though I doubt it would save me as much effort as you think. Because the smashwords meatgrinder is very picky about how things are formatted. And leaving the tables and stuff out of it, almost all formatting needs to be defined in paragraph styles. Any direct formatting, aside from toggling italics, boldface, and underlining, that isn't done with a paragraph style will cause errors. For the kind of books that need tables and footnotes, there is another process. But it's a lot more work, to manually make all the output epub, mobi, etc... file formats that the meatgrinder would create. At least to make them to the exacting standards that I'd need, if smashwords is going to submit them to all those ebook retailers for me. So I would most likely need to mark the entire mainmatter, and clear all formatting, and then apply my carefully defined paragraph styles anyway. But it would probably save me from having to manually create a working TOC. And even if it doesn't save me any work on my smashwords submissions. Sooner or later the ability to export to RTF will come in handy. So I thank you very much for the suggestion. > The main problem for me was setting the thing up. You need to ensure the rich > text format is defined in Tools > Preferences > File Handling > File Formats > and then set up a converter from latex to rtf. > > In my windows set up this is > > c:/PROGRA~2/latex2rtf/latex2rt.exe -P c:progra~2/latex2rtf/cfg $$i > > In linux, the paths will obviously be different. The critical part was the -P > option which points latex2rtf to its cfg file. Yeah, the paths would certainly be different. But Your post will get saved to my linux-clues folder, so that I can find your helpful instructions when I get around to setting that up. Thanks -- JtWdyP
LyX -> word.doc via Libreoffice -> smashwords "paragraph marks"
I can't find my post... Lets see if the old email address still works. Though if that were the problem, then I'd have expected to see a bounce notice from either the list server, or gmane's NTTP portal... -- Forwarded message -- -> Newsgroups: gmane.editors.lyx.general -> Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1509042208260.3095@antiXme2012> -> From: Joe <jtw...@gmx.com> -> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2015 00:02:32 -0400 -> Subject: LyX -> word.doc via Libreoffice -> smashwords "paragraph marks" LyX -> word.doc via Libreoffice -> smashwords "paragraph marks" I can't begin to list all the reasons why I want to write with LyX. I can't begin to describe how messed up my 'work' would be if I had to create and/or edit the text with ANY standard word processor. So what I'm doing is writing in LyX, And washing the formatting with a plain text file, which gets pasted into an Libreoffice "blank" document with preconfigured paragraph styles, consistently named, so that all I should need do, is start at one end of the document. Mark blocks of text, and apply the style that best emulates how LyX formatted it. And of course insert supporting bookmark and TOC hyperlinks... I don't do this until I'm done editing the words, Because if I decided to make any changes, I would want to make them in my .lyx source document. And repeat the above steps... That part is working for me. Except for the problem with paragraph marks. When I export to plain text, LyX adds all those extra carriage returns, like I'd need if I wanted to read the exported text with something that doesn't wrap the text, such as leafpad. I already tried exporting to the various other formats that I should be able to import into Libreoffice. But none of them import to Libreoffice cleanly. And I can't get export as *.odt to work at all. Exporting as html(word) almost worked once. But somehow a bunch of apostrophes got converted to single close quotes. Then when I tried again after a few updates (whether it was a change in Lyx or in Libreoffice I couldn't say) it didn't work the same way. And I need to be able to get it there cleanly. Every time, with consistent results. Washing the formatting with a version of the nuclear option as described in Mark Coker's "Smashwords Style Guide" is a good way to get consistent results. So I'm partial to a clean plain text output. I came up with a partial workaround. As long as there aren't any comment or ert boxes etc...: I open the .lyx file with LyX: {ctrl+a}{ctrl+c} open a blank leafpad doc: {ctrl+v} *find a way to strip out all those blank lines caused by LyX effectively using double CRs as paragraph markers. I couldn't think of the syntax to strip them out with sed, so I opened the file with vim and: /^$ :map t ddn t {repeat until not found} Then I opened it in leafpad again: {ctrl+a}{ctrl+c} opened the above described blank Libreoffice doc {ctrl+v} And apply the paragraph formats etc... as described above. Now I need to work on cover art and other background stuff. But I think the output.doc file itself, will make it through, what Smashwords describes as their meat grinder. If I'm right. And if the ebook is well received, There may well be sequels... My kludge is repeatable. But it would be so much easier if I knew how to get LyX to export a plain text version, without all the extra linefeeds. What am I missing here??? -- JtWdyP
Unicode in ERT inserts
Hi, So i have run into the issue that it would be good to use a unicode character within an ERT, but this causes a failure, one can type the character just fine in lyx, but it isn't converted during compilation. a minimal example is here http://goo.gl/d1gL6D what method should i be using to get unicode symbols into the ERT? I am using ERT becuase i need to use the Expex linguistics macros... it strikes me that maybe i should create a module that would present the functionality of the ERT code to Lyx, would this solve the issue of entering unicode within these blocks? is their documentation on writing modules in lyx that i can use as a reference? i had a quick look but could find any. Cheers Joe
Unicode in ERT inserts
Hi, So i have run into the issue that it would be good to use a unicode character within an ERT, but this causes a failure, one can type the character just fine in lyx, but it isn't converted during compilation. a minimal example is here http://goo.gl/d1gL6D what method should i be using to get unicode symbols into the ERT? I am using ERT becuase i need to use the Expex linguistics macros... it strikes me that maybe i should create a module that would present the functionality of the ERT code to Lyx, would this solve the issue of entering unicode within these blocks? is their documentation on writing modules in lyx that i can use as a reference? i had a quick look but could find any. Cheers Joe
Unicode in ERT inserts
Hi, So i have run into the issue that it would be good to use a unicode character within an ERT, but this causes a failure, one can type the character just fine in lyx, but it isn't converted during compilation. a minimal example is here http://goo.gl/d1gL6D what method should i be using to get unicode symbols into the ERT? I am using ERT becuase i need to use the Expex linguistics macros... it strikes me that maybe i should create a module that would present the functionality of the ERT code to Lyx, would this solve the issue of entering unicode within these blocks? is their documentation on writing modules in lyx that i can use as a reference? i had a quick look but could find any. Cheers Joe
Powerdot and graphics
Hello All, I am using LyX 2.0.5.1. on a Mac (10.6.8) with the powerdot layout that comes preinstalled. I am trying to get powerdot to easily include figures in a sensical way. I have had no luck fiddling on my own and the powerdot manual does not address figure placement. I was hoping someone would have some tips as I couldn't find anything in the archive. I am relatively new to lyx/latex. The main issues are that the graphic is added in a way that it flows off the slide. I can specify the size using the dialog box but I am hopeful there would be a more intelligent way? I was also hoping for a way to put the text and graphic side-by-side in some cases. I tried to set up a text box at 45% width and then a figure float on the other side but that did not work. My use of powerdot will be heavily dependent on getting figures in easily. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Joe
Powerdot and graphics
Hello All, I am using LyX 2.0.5.1. on a Mac (10.6.8) with the powerdot layout that comes preinstalled. I am trying to get powerdot to easily include figures in a sensical way. I have had no luck fiddling on my own and the powerdot manual does not address figure placement. I was hoping someone would have some tips as I couldn't find anything in the archive. I am relatively new to lyx/latex. The main issues are that the graphic is added in a way that it flows off the slide. I can specify the size using the dialog box but I am hopeful there would be a more intelligent way? I was also hoping for a way to put the text and graphic side-by-side in some cases. I tried to set up a text box at 45% width and then a figure float on the other side but that did not work. My use of powerdot will be heavily dependent on getting figures in easily. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Joe
Powerdot and graphics
Hello All, I am using LyX 2.0.5.1. on a Mac (10.6.8) with the powerdot layout that comes preinstalled. I am trying to get powerdot to easily include figures in a sensical way. I have had no luck fiddling on my own and the powerdot manual does not address figure placement. I was hoping someone would have some tips as I couldn't find anything in the archive. I am relatively new to lyx/latex. The main issues are that the graphic is added in a way that it flows off the slide. I can specify the size using the dialog box but I am hopeful there would be a more intelligent way? I was also hoping for a way to put the text and graphic side-by-side in some cases. I tried to set up a text box at 45% width and then a figure float on the other side but that did not work. My use of powerdot will be heavily dependent on getting figures in easily. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Joe
Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
It would appear that on Sep 27, Guenter Milde did say: Alternatively, after a fix for http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/1042 »Adding language none« you could tell LyX to ignore the non-standard-English parts of your document when spellchecking. I don't think I want to add the complexity of defining any part of my doc an non-English... Because while there are parts of my document where I need to be thinking about whatever fictional words and or non-standard names that I don't want to add to the wordlist when I spellcheck it. When/if something makes me rewrite something in one of those sections I'll still want to use spellcheck to screen it for my all to frequent (and sometimes nearly dyslexic) typos. I just don't want to do this by mistake when I'm not thinking about it. Hence I always depended on spell checking in a forward linear process starting from the cursor position and ending when/if I close the spell checker without correcting a flagged word such as whatever GarRRbae word I'm using as a marker that day. But I'm getting used to the previously mentioned kludge involving pasting the selected section of my document into an empty document and checking it there. It's not really any harder than it used to be to insert the marker lines... So you see, this is already a non-issue for me. I just wish I had found the new spellchecker's behavior to be a little more stable. -- | ~^~ ~^~ | * * Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^J(tWdy)P | \___/ jtw...@ttlc.net
Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
It would appear that on Sep 23, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook did say: While waiting in hopes of a better method, I figured out a very crude down and dirty work around... First, as previously described, I wrap the section of the document I intend to spellcheck with the the begin and end marker lines. {with or without the deliberately misspelled garbage word} But it MUST stand out visually. Then I open a garbage .lyx file and delete any existing content. Then I switch back to the real file and mark cut everything in between the marker lines. Next I paste that into the garbage file and spellcheck that file. When the spell checking is complete I can mark cut the contents the return to the real file, and paste the spellchecked content in between the marker lines... This at least works. But I shouldn't have to do it this way. I Noticed a fringe benefit to doing it this way BTW... One of my pet peeves about the new spell checker is that the sidebar doesn't go away when I escape out of it AND there doesn't seem to be a way to assign a keyboard shortcut to the act of dismissing it. {I strongly dislike having to use my sometimes non-existent mouse pointer coordination to position the durned pointer on that tiny little x long enough to click on it...} Well that fringe benefit is that since the garbage .lyx file ONLY contains the text I actually want to spellcheck, I start spellchecking by first pressing ctrl+home Then F7 so when it gets to the end of the garbage file the spellchecker knows it just checked the whole file. (Assuming I didn't have to interrupt it in mid process) and then when it reaches the end of the file that durned sidebar automatically goes away. {You know the one. I'm talking about the sidebar that in my humble opinion should go away by itself every time spell checking is escapeed out of... So that by it's very presence on screen I could know that the enter key would push the currently selected sidebar button rather than replacing the hi-lighted word with a new paragraph...} -- | ~~~ ~~~ | @ @ Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P |~\___/~ jtw...@ttlc.net
Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
It would appear that on Sep 27, Guenter Milde did say: Alternatively, after a fix for http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/1042 »Adding language none« you could tell LyX to ignore the non-standard-English parts of your document when spellchecking. I don't think I want to add the complexity of defining any part of my doc an non-English... Because while there are parts of my document where I need to be thinking about whatever fictional words and or non-standard names that I don't want to add to the wordlist when I spellcheck it. When/if something makes me rewrite something in one of those sections I'll still want to use spellcheck to screen it for my all to frequent (and sometimes nearly dyslexic) typos. I just don't want to do this by mistake when I'm not thinking about it. Hence I always depended on spell checking in a forward linear process starting from the cursor position and ending when/if I close the spell checker without correcting a flagged word such as whatever GarRRbae word I'm using as a marker that day. But I'm getting used to the previously mentioned kludge involving pasting the selected section of my document into an empty document and checking it there. It's not really any harder than it used to be to insert the marker lines... So you see, this is already a non-issue for me. I just wish I had found the new spellchecker's behavior to be a little more stable. -- | ~^~ ~^~ | * * Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^J(tWdy)P | \___/ jtw...@ttlc.net
Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
It would appear that on Sep 23, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook did say: While waiting in hopes of a better method, I figured out a very crude down and dirty work around... First, as previously described, I wrap the section of the document I intend to spellcheck with the the begin and end marker lines. {with or without the deliberately misspelled garbage word} But it MUST stand out visually. Then I open a garbage .lyx file and delete any existing content. Then I switch back to the real file and mark cut everything in between the marker lines. Next I paste that into the garbage file and spellcheck that file. When the spell checking is complete I can mark cut the contents the return to the real file, and paste the spellchecked content in between the marker lines... This at least works. But I shouldn't have to do it this way. I Noticed a fringe benefit to doing it this way BTW... One of my pet peeves about the new spell checker is that the sidebar doesn't go away when I escape out of it AND there doesn't seem to be a way to assign a keyboard shortcut to the act of dismissing it. {I strongly dislike having to use my sometimes non-existent mouse pointer coordination to position the durned pointer on that tiny little x long enough to click on it...} Well that fringe benefit is that since the garbage .lyx file ONLY contains the text I actually want to spellcheck, I start spellchecking by first pressing ctrl+home Then F7 so when it gets to the end of the garbage file the spellchecker knows it just checked the whole file. (Assuming I didn't have to interrupt it in mid process) and then when it reaches the end of the file that durned sidebar automatically goes away. {You know the one. I'm talking about the sidebar that in my humble opinion should go away by itself every time spell checking is escapeed out of... So that by it's very presence on screen I could know that the enter key would push the currently selected sidebar button rather than replacing the hi-lighted word with a new paragraph...} -- | ~~~ ~~~ | @ @ Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P |~\___/~ jtw...@ttlc.net
Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
It would appear that on Sep 27, Guenter Milde did say: > Alternatively, after a fix for http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/1042 > »Adding language "none"« you could tell LyX to ignore the > non-standard-English parts of your document when spellchecking. I don't think I want to add the complexity of defining any part of my doc an non-English... Because while there are parts of my document where I need to be thinking about whatever fictional words and or non-standard names that I don't want to add to the wordlist when I spellcheck it. When/if something makes me rewrite something in one of those sections I'll still want to use spellcheck to screen it for my all to frequent (and sometimes nearly dyslexic) typos. I just don't want to do this by mistake when I'm not thinking about it. Hence I always depended on spell checking in a forward linear process starting from the cursor position and ending when/if I close the spell checker without correcting a flagged word such as whatever GarRRbae word I'm using as a marker that day. But I'm getting used to the previously mentioned kludge involving pasting the selected section of my document into an empty document and checking it there. It's not really any harder than it used to be to insert the marker lines... So you see, this is already a non-issue for me. I just wish I had found the new spellchecker's behavior to be a little more stable. -- | ~^~ ~^~ | <*> <*> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^J(tWdy)P | \___/ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>
Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
It would appear that on Sep 23, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook did say: > While waiting in hopes of a better method, I figured out a very crude down > and dirty work around... > > First, as previously described, I wrap the section of the document I intend to > spellcheck with the the begin and end marker lines. {with or without the > deliberately misspelled garbage word} But it MUST stand out visually. > > Then I open a garbage .lyx file and delete any existing content. Then I > switch back to the real file and mark & cut everything in between the > marker lines. Next I paste that into the garbage file and spellcheck that > file. When the spell checking is complete I can mark & cut the contents the > return to the real file, and paste the spellchecked content in between the > marker lines... > > This at least works. But I shouldn't have to do it this way. I Noticed a fringe benefit to doing it this way BTW... One of my pet peeves about the new spell checker is that the sidebar doesn't go away when I escape out of it AND there doesn't seem to be a way to assign a keyboard shortcut to the act of dismissing it. {I strongly dislike having to use my sometimes non-existent mouse pointer coordination to position the durned pointer on that tiny little "x" long enough to click on it...} Well that fringe benefit is that since the garbage .lyx file ONLY contains the text I actually want to spellcheck, I start spellchecking by first pressing + Then so when it gets to the end of the garbage file the spellchecker knows it just checked the whole file. (Assuming I didn't have to interrupt it in mid process) and then when it reaches the end of the file that durned sidebar automatically goes away. {You know the one. I'm talking about the sidebar that in my humble opinion should go away by itself every time spell checking is ed out of... So that by it's very presence on screen I could know that the enter key would "push" the currently selected sidebar button rather than replacing the hi-lighted word with a new paragraph...} -- | ~~~ ~~~ | <@> <@> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P |~\___/~ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>
Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
It would appear that on Sep 25, Stephan Witt did say: Am 25.09.2011 um 00:02 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook: Note: As I said I positioned my cursor *_AFTER_* the first instance of the gabaggge word... (And I note that I also double checked the file: ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict to make sure I hadn't accidentally added the gabaggge word, I had not.) Ignore All adds the word to the non-persistent list of accepted words for the current session. It doesn't add the word to your personal dictionary. And I think it should stop at the second word gabaggge in any case except when you did ignore it for the current session. OK let me be a little more specific... I checked ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict to makes sure that I hadn't previously added the gabaggge word to the word list by mistake. But the fact that I positioned the cursor AFTER the gabaggge word before pressing F7 And that somehow the spellchecker did skip back to a cursor position in a chapter that I hadn't even looked at in months without first checking all the errors that were there between the cursor position where I had pressed F7 and the 2nd marker line with the 2nd instance in whole document of the gabaggge word which it NEVER reached because when I realized I was correcting deliberate misspelling in the earlier text I aborted spellchecking without it ever actually finding either instance of the gabaggge word. Which means that I never clicked on ANY spellchecker button (ignore, ignore all, or any other) with the gabaggge word in the spellchecker's crosshairs... You should have been asked at the end of the document before wrapping around. Yeah, but it never got to the end of the document. At some point during the spellcheck initiated between two gabaggge word markers {the cursor was actually on the first character of the first line after the gabaggge marker line when I pressed F7 and began spellchecking. The starting position was several chapters deep in the book I'm writing. It had not yet found all of the many fat fingered typos that existed in the text between the gabaggge word markers when I noticed some distinctive text that only occurs in the first few chapters of the book... The spell checker always starts at the current cursor position, IMHO. When the cursor is moved to another part of your text the subsequent F7 should start over there. Agreed. But since I hadn't scrolled back to the previous chapters, I didn't change the cursor position to them. The only times I intervened in the cursor position was when I wasn't sure if a suggested word was actually the word I intended or had some other meaning. in which case I would hit escape to stop the spellchecker, use ^X to cut the questionable word to the clipboard, switch to the desktop area where I had a browser open to an on-line dictionary. Paste the word and edit until the dictionary liked the spelling AND presented me with the intended definition. At which point I would mark the corrected word and copy it to the clipboard, change back to the desktop area where my LyX window was, then I'd paste the corrected word into my document. Then to ensure the opportunity to add that word to LyX's word list if needed, I'd move the cursor up just one line and press F7 again... And no there is no way to spell check some selection of text only. But there is an enhancement request already: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/2511 Except that it always used to check in a linear fashion that allowed me to be sure that each questionable word would always be further from the beginning of the document than the last until and unless I confirmed that it could continue checking from the beginning... Unfortunately this behavior is no longer reliable. It should be reliable unless you move to current cursor position manually. Yeah it should be. And that is my whole point. For some reason it isn't. The only time I change the cursor position of a LyX document while I'm spellchecking is as I described above. But, like I said before, this problem doesn't happen every time I spellcheck, so I can't reliably reproduce it for a bug report. And since the workaround of cutting the section of text to the clipboard, And then pasting it into an otherwise empty .lyx file, does get me a way to reliably spellcheck the text. And until such a time as http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/2511 becomes a reality, I think I'll just use that kludge I just described. -- |^^^ ^^^ |o o Joe (theWordy) Philbrook |^ J(tWdy)P | ___ jtw...@ttlc.net sigh
Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
It would appear that on Sep 25, Stephan Witt did say: Am 25.09.2011 um 00:02 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook: Note: As I said I positioned my cursor *_AFTER_* the first instance of the gabaggge word... (And I note that I also double checked the file: ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict to make sure I hadn't accidentally added the gabaggge word, I had not.) Ignore All adds the word to the non-persistent list of accepted words for the current session. It doesn't add the word to your personal dictionary. And I think it should stop at the second word gabaggge in any case except when you did ignore it for the current session. OK let me be a little more specific... I checked ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict to makes sure that I hadn't previously added the gabaggge word to the word list by mistake. But the fact that I positioned the cursor AFTER the gabaggge word before pressing F7 And that somehow the spellchecker did skip back to a cursor position in a chapter that I hadn't even looked at in months without first checking all the errors that were there between the cursor position where I had pressed F7 and the 2nd marker line with the 2nd instance in whole document of the gabaggge word which it NEVER reached because when I realized I was correcting deliberate misspelling in the earlier text I aborted spellchecking without it ever actually finding either instance of the gabaggge word. Which means that I never clicked on ANY spellchecker button (ignore, ignore all, or any other) with the gabaggge word in the spellchecker's crosshairs... You should have been asked at the end of the document before wrapping around. Yeah, but it never got to the end of the document. At some point during the spellcheck initiated between two gabaggge word markers {the cursor was actually on the first character of the first line after the gabaggge marker line when I pressed F7 and began spellchecking. The starting position was several chapters deep in the book I'm writing. It had not yet found all of the many fat fingered typos that existed in the text between the gabaggge word markers when I noticed some distinctive text that only occurs in the first few chapters of the book... The spell checker always starts at the current cursor position, IMHO. When the cursor is moved to another part of your text the subsequent F7 should start over there. Agreed. But since I hadn't scrolled back to the previous chapters, I didn't change the cursor position to them. The only times I intervened in the cursor position was when I wasn't sure if a suggested word was actually the word I intended or had some other meaning. in which case I would hit escape to stop the spellchecker, use ^X to cut the questionable word to the clipboard, switch to the desktop area where I had a browser open to an on-line dictionary. Paste the word and edit until the dictionary liked the spelling AND presented me with the intended definition. At which point I would mark the corrected word and copy it to the clipboard, change back to the desktop area where my LyX window was, then I'd paste the corrected word into my document. Then to ensure the opportunity to add that word to LyX's word list if needed, I'd move the cursor up just one line and press F7 again... And no there is no way to spell check some selection of text only. But there is an enhancement request already: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/2511 Except that it always used to check in a linear fashion that allowed me to be sure that each questionable word would always be further from the beginning of the document than the last until and unless I confirmed that it could continue checking from the beginning... Unfortunately this behavior is no longer reliable. It should be reliable unless you move to current cursor position manually. Yeah it should be. And that is my whole point. For some reason it isn't. The only time I change the cursor position of a LyX document while I'm spellchecking is as I described above. But, like I said before, this problem doesn't happen every time I spellcheck, so I can't reliably reproduce it for a bug report. And since the workaround of cutting the section of text to the clipboard, And then pasting it into an otherwise empty .lyx file, does get me a way to reliably spellcheck the text. And until such a time as http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/2511 becomes a reality, I think I'll just use that kludge I just described. -- |^^^ ^^^ |o o Joe (theWordy) Philbrook |^ J(tWdy)P | ___ jtw...@ttlc.net sigh
Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
It would appear that on Sep 25, Stephan Witt did say: > Am 25.09.2011 um 00:02 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook: > > Note: As I said I positioned my cursor *_AFTER_* the first instance of the > > "gabaggge" word... (And I note that I also double checked the file: > > "~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict" to make sure I hadn't accidentally added the > > "gabaggge" word, I had not.) > > "Ignore All" adds the word to the non-persistent list of accepted words for > the current session. It doesn't add the word to your personal dictionary. > And I think it should stop at the second word "gabaggge" in any case > except when you did ignore it for the current session. OK let me be a little more specific... I checked ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict to makes sure that I hadn't previously added the "gabaggge" word to the word list by mistake. But the fact that I positioned the cursor AFTER the "gabaggge" word before pressing F7 And that somehow the spellchecker did skip back to a cursor position in a chapter that I hadn't even looked at in months without first checking all the errors that were there between the cursor position where I had pressed F7 and the 2nd marker line with the 2nd instance in whole document of the "gabaggge" word which it NEVER reached because when I realized I was correcting deliberate misspelling in the earlier text I aborted spellchecking without it ever actually finding either instance of the "gabaggge" word. Which means that I never clicked on ANY spellchecker button (ignore, ignore all, or any other) with the "gabaggge" word in the spellchecker's crosshairs... > >> You should have been asked at the end of the document before wrapping > >> around. > > > > Yeah, but it never got to the end of the document. At some point during the > > spellcheck initiated between two "gabaggge" word markers {the cursor > > was actually on the first character of the first line after the > > "gabaggge" > > marker line when I pressed F7 and began spellchecking. The starting > > position was several chapters deep in the "book" I'm writing. It had not yet > > found all of the many fat fingered typos that existed in the text between > > the "gabaggge" word markers when I noticed some distinctive text that > > only occurs in the first few chapters of the book... > > The spell checker always starts at the current cursor position, IMHO. > When the cursor is moved to another part of your text the subsequent F7 > should start over there. Agreed. But since I hadn't scrolled back to the previous chapters, "I" didn't change the cursor position to them. The only times I intervened in the cursor position was when I wasn't sure if a suggested word was actually the word I intended or had some other meaning. in which case I would hit escape to stop the spellchecker, use ^X to cut the questionable word to the clipboard, switch to the desktop area where I had a browser open to an on-line dictionary. Paste the word and edit until the dictionary liked the spelling AND presented me with the intended definition. At which point I would mark the corrected word and copy it to the clipboard, change back to the desktop area where my LyX window was, then I'd paste the corrected word into my document. Then to ensure the opportunity to add that word to LyX's word list if needed, I'd move the cursor up just one line and press F7 again... > >> And no there is no way to spell check some selection of text only. > >> But there is an enhancement request already: > >> http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/2511 > > > > Except that it always used to check in a linear fashion that allowed me to > > be sure that each questionable word would always be further from the > > beginning of the document than the last until and unless I confirmed that it > > could continue checking from the beginning... Unfortunately this behavior > > is no longer reliable. > > It should be reliable unless you move to current cursor position manually. Yeah it should be. And that is my whole point. For some reason it isn't. The only time I change the cursor position of a LyX document while I'm spellchecking is as I described above. But, like I said before, this problem doesn't happen every time I spellcheck, so I can't reliably reproduce it for a bug report. And since the workaround of cutting the section of text to the clipboard, And then pasting it into an otherwise empty .lyx file, does get me a way to reliably spellcheck the text. And until such a time as http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/2511 becomes a reality, I think I'll just use that kludge I just described. -- |^^^ ^^^ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook |^ J(tWdy)P | ___ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>
Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
It would appear that on Sep 24, Stephan Witt did say: Am 23.09.2011 um 23:32 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook: -snipped. . . .. . . .. .stuff Then I'd position the cursor someplace after the non-word gabaggge on the first marker and press F7... Well, I'm afraid I didn't understand your example... You're saying the spell checker does not detect the word gabaggge as misspelled and wraps around instead? Perhaps you've used Ignore all instead of the Ignore button? Note: As I said I positioned my cursor *_AFTER_* the first instance of the gabaggge word... (And I note that I also double checked the file: ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict to make sure I hadn't accidentally added the gabaggge word, I had not.) Then as long as I remembered to stop spellchecking when it reached the 2nd instance of gabaggge, I'd be fine. Well that doesn't work anymore. -snipped. . . .. . . .. .stuff IS there a method to restrict the spellchecker to a limited range of the document and/or to only check in a top to bottom in-line path that doesn't skip around the document??? You should have been asked at the end of the document before wrapping around. Yeah, but it never got to the end of the document. At some point during the spellcheck initiated between two gabaggge word markers {the cursor was actually on the first character of the first line after the gabaggge marker line when I pressed F7 and began spellchecking. The starting position was several chapters deep in the book I'm writing. It had not yet found all of the many fat fingered typos that existed in the text between the gabaggge word markers when I noticed some distinctive text that only occurs in the first few chapters of the book... And no there is no way to spell check some selection of text only. But there is an enhancement request already: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/2511 Except that it always used to check in a linear fashion that allowed me to be sure that each questionable word would always be further from the beginning of the document than the last until and unless I confirmed that it could continue checking from the beginning... Unfortunately this behavior is no longer reliable. I note when I used the kludge I described in my 2nd posting to this thread there were still so many typos in the text I'd tried to spellcheck that when I pasted it into an empty document that didn't have any previous text for the spell checker to skip back to, it took over an hour to make the remaining corrections... I don't know why the spell checker skips back. it doesn't happen every time. But it has happened more than once on more then one Linux installation, where LyX 2.0 was installed by the distro specific package manager. This was the first time it happened on my recently installed Sabayon Linux. I can't however, say for sure whether the other occasions were on PCLinuxOS or Arch Linux since both of them have LyX 2... -- |^^^ ^^^ |o o Joe (theWordy) Philbrook |^ J(tWdy)P | ___ jtw...@ttlc.net | ' `
Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
It would appear that on Sep 24, Stephan Witt did say: Am 23.09.2011 um 23:32 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook: -snipped. . . .. . . .. .stuff Then I'd position the cursor someplace after the non-word gabaggge on the first marker and press F7... Well, I'm afraid I didn't understand your example... You're saying the spell checker does not detect the word gabaggge as misspelled and wraps around instead? Perhaps you've used Ignore all instead of the Ignore button? Note: As I said I positioned my cursor *_AFTER_* the first instance of the gabaggge word... (And I note that I also double checked the file: ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict to make sure I hadn't accidentally added the gabaggge word, I had not.) Then as long as I remembered to stop spellchecking when it reached the 2nd instance of gabaggge, I'd be fine. Well that doesn't work anymore. -snipped. . . .. . . .. .stuff IS there a method to restrict the spellchecker to a limited range of the document and/or to only check in a top to bottom in-line path that doesn't skip around the document??? You should have been asked at the end of the document before wrapping around. Yeah, but it never got to the end of the document. At some point during the spellcheck initiated between two gabaggge word markers {the cursor was actually on the first character of the first line after the gabaggge marker line when I pressed F7 and began spellchecking. The starting position was several chapters deep in the book I'm writing. It had not yet found all of the many fat fingered typos that existed in the text between the gabaggge word markers when I noticed some distinctive text that only occurs in the first few chapters of the book... And no there is no way to spell check some selection of text only. But there is an enhancement request already: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/2511 Except that it always used to check in a linear fashion that allowed me to be sure that each questionable word would always be further from the beginning of the document than the last until and unless I confirmed that it could continue checking from the beginning... Unfortunately this behavior is no longer reliable. I note when I used the kludge I described in my 2nd posting to this thread there were still so many typos in the text I'd tried to spellcheck that when I pasted it into an empty document that didn't have any previous text for the spell checker to skip back to, it took over an hour to make the remaining corrections... I don't know why the spell checker skips back. it doesn't happen every time. But it has happened more than once on more then one Linux installation, where LyX 2.0 was installed by the distro specific package manager. This was the first time it happened on my recently installed Sabayon Linux. I can't however, say for sure whether the other occasions were on PCLinuxOS or Arch Linux since both of them have LyX 2... -- |^^^ ^^^ |o o Joe (theWordy) Philbrook |^ J(tWdy)P | ___ jtw...@ttlc.net | ' `
Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
It would appear that on Sep 24, Stephan Witt did say: > Am 23.09.2011 um 23:32 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook: -snipped. . . .. . . .. .stuff > > Then I'd position the cursor someplace after the non-word "gabaggge" on > > the first marker and press F7... > Well, I'm afraid I didn't understand your example... You're saying the > spell checker does not detect the word "gabaggge" as misspelled and wraps > around instead? Perhaps you've used "Ignore all" instead of the "Ignore" > button? Note: As I said I positioned my cursor *_AFTER_* the first instance of the "gabaggge" word... (And I note that I also double checked the file: "~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict" to make sure I hadn't accidentally added the "gabaggge" word, I had not.) > > Then as long as I remembered to stop spellchecking when it reached the 2nd > > instance of gabaggge, I'd be fine. > > Well that doesn't work anymore. -snipped. . . .. . . .. .stuff > > IS there a method to restrict the spellchecker to a limited range of the > > document and/or to only check in a top to bottom in-line path that doesn't > > skip around the document??? > You should have been asked at the end of the document before wrapping around. Yeah, but it never got to the end of the document. At some point during the spellcheck initiated between two "gabaggge" word markers {the cursor was actually on the first character of the first line after the "gabaggge" marker line when I pressed F7 and began spellchecking. The starting position was several chapters deep in the "book" I'm writing. It had not yet found all of the many fat fingered typos that existed in the text between the "gabaggge" word markers when I noticed some distinctive text that only occurs in the first few chapters of the book... > And no there is no way to spell check some selection of text only. > But there is an enhancement request already: > http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/2511 Except that it always used to check in a linear fashion that allowed me to be sure that each questionable word would always be further from the beginning of the document than the last until and unless I confirmed that it could continue checking from the beginning... Unfortunately this behavior is no longer reliable. I note when I used the kludge I described in my 2nd posting to this thread there were still so many typos in the text I'd tried to spellcheck that when I pasted it into an empty document that didn't have any previous text for the spell checker to skip back to, it took over an hour to make the remaining corrections... I don't know why the spell checker skips back. it doesn't happen every time. But it has happened more than once on more then one Linux installation, where LyX 2.0 was installed by the distro specific package manager. This was the first time it happened on my recently installed Sabayon Linux. I can't however, say for sure whether the other occasions were on PCLinuxOS or Arch Linux since both of them have LyX 2... -- |^^^ ^^^ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook |^ J(tWdy)P | ___ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>> | ' `
LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
Hello. I'm a multi-boot, multi-Linux user. I chose LyX for a personal writing project some time ago. And for the most part I've been happy with that choice. But the spell checker in LyX2 is making me wish I knew how to cleanly export my documents to LibreOffice. Now I'm not even talking about the horrible way the new spellchecker responds to keyboard control. {Though some of it's shortcut keys conflict with the ones in the pull down menu. There doesn't appear to be a way to get rid of it's sidebar when your done spellchecking without maneuvering the mouse pointer to, and clicking on the little x icon} As much as I despise that behavior it's nothing compared to the what it jumps around. I have at times deliberately introduced non-words into my documents that I don't want to permanently add to the dictionary. Sometimes it has to do with quoting a character who doesn't spell (or speak) proper English. Picture a big cartoon like character rubbing his head where somebody he thought was a friend just broke a barstool over his head and the big guy turns to his friend and says: Ya shoodna awda dun that Bobby! Now if that were actually part of my story, say in chapter 3, I'd have taken care to spell check that part of the document while I was thinking about it so that I would remember to use the ignore button... I always used to do this by wrapping the part I wanted to spellcheck with lines like: Spellcheck section begin gabaggge marker line Spellcheck section end gabaggge marker line Then I'd position the cursor someplace after the non-word gabaggge on the first marker and press F7... Then as long as I remembered to stop spellchecking when it reached the 2nd instance of gabaggge, I'd be fine. Well that doesn't work anymore. I might wrap chapter 10 in those gabaggge lines and start spell checking chapter 10 only to suddenly discover that all by itself the spellchecker decided to jump back to some questionable word in chapter 3... sigh Even this wouldn't be so bad except that many of the intentional non-words are a little less obvious than the above fictional example. And in fact I'm not sure how many of them I accidentally corrected before I noticed something distinctive that couldn't have been in the section I thought I was spell checking. IS there a method to restrict the spellchecker to a limited range of the document and/or to only check in a top to bottom in-line path that doesn't skip around the document??? I really hope there is, because if there isn't I'm going to have to risk damaging the .lyx file by using the command line version of Aspell on it... Because I can't work with a spell checker that won't work where I tell it to. -- | ~^~ ~^~ | ? ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^J(tWdy)P |\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net
Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
It would appear that on Sep 23, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook did say: -snipped. . . .. . . .. .stuff IS there a method to restrict the spellchecker to a limited range of the document and/or to only check in a top to bottom in-line path that doesn't skip around the document??? I really hope there is, because if there isn't I'm going to have to risk damaging the .lyx file by using the command line version of Aspell on it... Because I can't work with a spell checker that won't work where I tell it to. While waiting in hopes of a better method, I figured out a very crude down and dirty work around... First, as previously described, I wrap the section of the document I intend to spellcheck with the the begin and end marker lines. {with or without the deliberately misspelled garbage word} But it MUST stand out visually. Then I open a garbage .lyx file and delete any existing content. Then I switch back to the real file and mark cut everything in between the marker lines. Next I paste that into the garbage file and spellcheck that file. When the spell checking is complete I can mark cut the contents the return to the real file, and paste the spellchecked content in between the marker lines... This at least works. But I shouldn't have to do it this way. -- |^^^ ^^^ |o o Joe (theWordy) Philbrook |^ J(tWdy)P | ___ jtw...@ttlc.net sigh
LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
Hello. I'm a multi-boot, multi-Linux user. I chose LyX for a personal writing project some time ago. And for the most part I've been happy with that choice. But the spell checker in LyX2 is making me wish I knew how to cleanly export my documents to LibreOffice. Now I'm not even talking about the horrible way the new spellchecker responds to keyboard control. {Though some of it's shortcut keys conflict with the ones in the pull down menu. There doesn't appear to be a way to get rid of it's sidebar when your done spellchecking without maneuvering the mouse pointer to, and clicking on the little x icon} As much as I despise that behavior it's nothing compared to the what it jumps around. I have at times deliberately introduced non-words into my documents that I don't want to permanently add to the dictionary. Sometimes it has to do with quoting a character who doesn't spell (or speak) proper English. Picture a big cartoon like character rubbing his head where somebody he thought was a friend just broke a barstool over his head and the big guy turns to his friend and says: Ya shoodna awda dun that Bobby! Now if that were actually part of my story, say in chapter 3, I'd have taken care to spell check that part of the document while I was thinking about it so that I would remember to use the ignore button... I always used to do this by wrapping the part I wanted to spellcheck with lines like: Spellcheck section begin gabaggge marker line Spellcheck section end gabaggge marker line Then I'd position the cursor someplace after the non-word gabaggge on the first marker and press F7... Then as long as I remembered to stop spellchecking when it reached the 2nd instance of gabaggge, I'd be fine. Well that doesn't work anymore. I might wrap chapter 10 in those gabaggge lines and start spell checking chapter 10 only to suddenly discover that all by itself the spellchecker decided to jump back to some questionable word in chapter 3... sigh Even this wouldn't be so bad except that many of the intentional non-words are a little less obvious than the above fictional example. And in fact I'm not sure how many of them I accidentally corrected before I noticed something distinctive that couldn't have been in the section I thought I was spell checking. IS there a method to restrict the spellchecker to a limited range of the document and/or to only check in a top to bottom in-line path that doesn't skip around the document??? I really hope there is, because if there isn't I'm going to have to risk damaging the .lyx file by using the command line version of Aspell on it... Because I can't work with a spell checker that won't work where I tell it to. -- | ~^~ ~^~ | ? ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^J(tWdy)P |\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net
Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
It would appear that on Sep 23, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook did say: -snipped. . . .. . . .. .stuff IS there a method to restrict the spellchecker to a limited range of the document and/or to only check in a top to bottom in-line path that doesn't skip around the document??? I really hope there is, because if there isn't I'm going to have to risk damaging the .lyx file by using the command line version of Aspell on it... Because I can't work with a spell checker that won't work where I tell it to. While waiting in hopes of a better method, I figured out a very crude down and dirty work around... First, as previously described, I wrap the section of the document I intend to spellcheck with the the begin and end marker lines. {with or without the deliberately misspelled garbage word} But it MUST stand out visually. Then I open a garbage .lyx file and delete any existing content. Then I switch back to the real file and mark cut everything in between the marker lines. Next I paste that into the garbage file and spellcheck that file. When the spell checking is complete I can mark cut the contents the return to the real file, and paste the spellchecked content in between the marker lines... This at least works. But I shouldn't have to do it this way. -- |^^^ ^^^ |o o Joe (theWordy) Philbrook |^ J(tWdy)P | ___ jtw...@ttlc.net sigh
LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
Hello. I'm a multi-boot, multi-Linux user. I chose LyX for a personal writing project some time ago. And for the most part I've been happy with that choice. But the spell checker in LyX2 is making me wish I knew how to cleanly export my documents to LibreOffice. Now I'm not even talking about the horrible way the new spellchecker responds to keyboard control. {Though some of it's shortcut keys conflict with the ones in the pull down menu. & There doesn't appear to be a way to get rid of it's sidebar when your done spellchecking without maneuvering the mouse pointer to, and clicking on the little x icon} As much as I despise that behavior it's nothing compared to the what it jumps around. I have at times deliberately introduced non-words into my documents that I don't want to permanently add to the dictionary. Sometimes it has to do with quoting a character who doesn't spell (or speak) proper English. Picture a big cartoon like character rubbing his head where somebody he thought was a friend just broke a barstool over his head and the big guy turns to his friend and says: "Ya shoodna awda dun that Bobby!" Now if that were actually part of my "story", say in chapter 3, I'd have taken care to spell check that part of the document while I was thinking about it so that I would remember to use the ignore button... I always used to do this by wrapping the part I wanted to spellcheck with lines like: Spellcheck section begin gabaggge marker line Spellcheck section end gabaggge marker line Then I'd position the cursor someplace after the non-word "gabaggge" on the first marker and press F7... Then as long as I remembered to stop spellchecking when it reached the 2nd instance of gabaggge, I'd be fine. Well that doesn't work anymore. I might wrap chapter 10 in those gabaggge lines and start spell checking chapter 10 only to suddenly discover that all by itself the spellchecker decided to jump back to some questionable word in chapter 3... Even this wouldn't be so bad except that many of the intentional non-words are a little less obvious than the above fictional example. And in fact I'm not sure how many of them I accidentally corrected before I noticed something distinctive that couldn't have been in the section I thought I was spell checking. IS there a method to restrict the spellchecker to a limited range of the document and/or to only check in a top to bottom in-line path that doesn't skip around the document??? I really hope there is, because if there isn't I'm going to have to risk damaging the .lyx file by using the command line version of Aspell on it... Because I can't work with a spell checker that won't work where I tell it to. -- | ~^~ ~^~ |Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^J(tWdy)P |\___/ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>
Re: LyX 2: spell checker skips around whole document ARrrgGgaAaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
It would appear that on Sep 23, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook did say: -snipped. . . .. . . .. .stuff > IS there a method to restrict the spellchecker to a limited range of the > document and/or to only check in a top to bottom in-line path that doesn't > skip around the document??? > > I really hope there is, because if there isn't I'm going to have to risk > damaging the .lyx file by using the command line version of Aspell on it... > Because I can't work with a spell checker that won't work where I tell it > to. While waiting in hopes of a better method, I figured out a very crude down and dirty work around... First, as previously described, I wrap the section of the document I intend to spellcheck with the the begin and end marker lines. {with or without the deliberately misspelled garbage word} But it MUST stand out visually. Then I open a garbage .lyx file and delete any existing content. Then I switch back to the real file and mark & cut everything in between the marker lines. Next I paste that into the garbage file and spellcheck that file. When the spell checking is complete I can mark & cut the contents the return to the real file, and paste the spellchecked content in between the marker lines... This at least works. But I shouldn't have to do it this way. -- |^^^ ^^^ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook |^ J(tWdy)P | ___ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>
LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {KBD shortcut(s)}
Has anybody else experienced these keyboard shortcut issues with the spellchecker sidebar on LyX 2.0??? Especially any one NOT using the binary found in the PCLinuxOS repository? If it matters: I'm a ‘multi-boot’, ‘multi-Linux Distro’ user. And I use whichever version of LyX is available from the repository of whichever Linux system I'm currently using. I may be a bit too dependent on the various package management systems on my installed distros but most of the time this saves me a lot of dependency headaches. At the moment the only one of my installed Linux that normal system upgrades resulted in LyX 2.0.0 (April 29 2011) is my PCLinuxOS installation. Thus I have no other LyX 2.0 to use to see if the keyboard shortcut issues I've encountered are inherent in LyX 2.0.0, or {I do hope} perhaps they stem from some modifications made by the PCLinuxOS package maintainers. I asked about these issues earlier and got some suggestions, but nobody said that their LyX 2.0 had the same problem. Since most people nowadays are more comfortable with using the mouse as a primary control interface, it is quite possible that more LyX 2.0 users have these keyboard shortcut issues than are aware of it. (simply because they click on the buttons rather than typing in the keyboard shortcuts.) The shortcut issues I'm having are: 1) The Alt+D on the Add button conflicts with the Document pull down menu. To actually add the word to the word list I MUST click on the button with the mouse. 2) The Alt+I on the Ignore button conflicts with the Insert pull down menu. Again I MUST click... 3) The Alt+F on the Find next button conflicts with the File pull down menu. Again I MUST click... 3) There does not appear to be any way to use the keyboard to dismiss the sidebars so that the document text can use the entire window/screen width. To ditch the sidebar I MUST click on the little x marked button in the upper right hand corner. Note: I can disengage the sidebars focus with escape and edit the document using only the approximately 2/3's of the screen/window width. But I can't make the sidebar go away with the keyboard. And I note: that this is so regardless of whether or not I've selected the Spellcheck Continuously setting... If anyone is experiencing symptoms like that with their copy of LyX... Please tell me! -- | ~^~ ~^~ | ? ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^J(tWdy)P |\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net
Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {KBD shortcut(s)}
It would appear that on Jun 14, David L. Johnson did say: On 06/14/2011 11:52 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: I may be a bit too dependent on the various package management systems on my installed distros but most of the time this saves me a lot of dependency headaches. I don't think I would fault anyone for being dependent upon package management systems on a distro. I've been using debian since -- I have no idea how long --- and have found that the package management is now very, very good (it wasn't so smart at first), and it is very difficult to avoid difficulties if you oppose its wishes. I am also using 2.0.0, under debian testing (wheezy). The shortcut issues I'm having are: 1) The Alt+D on the Add button conflicts with the Document pull down menu. To actually add the word to the word list I MUST click on the button with the mouse. 2) The Alt+I on the Ignore button conflicts with the Insert pull down menu. Again I MUST click... 3) The Alt+F on the Find next button conflicts with the File pull down menu. Again I MUST click... I see these phenomena as well (I use gnome, but it seems that this is an issue about LyX that is independent of the window-manager). I'll by that, I'm using E17... If you just right-click on the misspelled word when using continuous spellchecking (something I thought I would never do, but I do like it now), you do not get those keyboard shortcuts at all. That's something I know I wouldn't learn to like. Not only do my fingers quickly go numb when I start using the mouse a lot, But I sometimes have difficulty controlling it accurately. I do a little better with my trackball than a traditional mouse but as a control interface it still gives me much aggravation. Aside from which I would NOT want full time spellchecking. Anything that instantly tells me a word is misspelled (even those stupid squiggly underlines like they use in some word processors and web browsers, are enough to make me lose track of the creative thought process when I'm typing new content... Maybe they need to be removed from the spellchecker window, {whimper} If they remove them nobody will ever fix them and I don't wanna be stuck with the mouse. or changed to avoid the conflicts. Now that's the ticket. But to avoid the conflict with Documents, the Add button would have to either need to use a character NOT in it's label or give it the Alt+A shortcut, which would mean the Replace All button couldn't use the A anymore. And so on... A better solution would be perhaps to force the focus to switch to the spell checker window when F7 is pressed, and keep it there until (the escape key is pressed, the spell checker window is closed, or a mouse click is made within the main window. This may also depend upon how you set up your LyX shortcuts. I use cua with a few additions (not conflicting with these commands). Could you tell me how to add one to close the spellchecker. The sidebar doesn't disappear upon the escape key any more. And while I can't remember if undocking it so that it's once again a floating box that hides part of the context goes away upon the esc key. But I surely noticed that undocking it from being a sidebar stops the questionable words from getting highlighted... One thing to note is that, if the spellchecker window has the focus, you can use the shortcuts. But typically the focus would be on the main window, and since that gets the focus the shortcuts would go to its menu. So you have to use the mouse, no matter what, at least to shift the input focus to the spellchecker window. {whimper} -- | ~^~ ~^~ | * * Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^J(tWdy)P | \___/ jtw...@ttlc.net
LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {KBD shortcut(s)}
Has anybody else experienced these keyboard shortcut issues with the spellchecker sidebar on LyX 2.0??? Especially any one NOT using the binary found in the PCLinuxOS repository? If it matters: I'm a ‘multi-boot’, ‘multi-Linux Distro’ user. And I use whichever version of LyX is available from the repository of whichever Linux system I'm currently using. I may be a bit too dependent on the various package management systems on my installed distros but most of the time this saves me a lot of dependency headaches. At the moment the only one of my installed Linux that normal system upgrades resulted in LyX 2.0.0 (April 29 2011) is my PCLinuxOS installation. Thus I have no other LyX 2.0 to use to see if the keyboard shortcut issues I've encountered are inherent in LyX 2.0.0, or {I do hope} perhaps they stem from some modifications made by the PCLinuxOS package maintainers. I asked about these issues earlier and got some suggestions, but nobody said that their LyX 2.0 had the same problem. Since most people nowadays are more comfortable with using the mouse as a primary control interface, it is quite possible that more LyX 2.0 users have these keyboard shortcut issues than are aware of it. (simply because they click on the buttons rather than typing in the keyboard shortcuts.) The shortcut issues I'm having are: 1) The Alt+D on the Add button conflicts with the Document pull down menu. To actually add the word to the word list I MUST click on the button with the mouse. 2) The Alt+I on the Ignore button conflicts with the Insert pull down menu. Again I MUST click... 3) The Alt+F on the Find next button conflicts with the File pull down menu. Again I MUST click... 3) There does not appear to be any way to use the keyboard to dismiss the sidebars so that the document text can use the entire window/screen width. To ditch the sidebar I MUST click on the little x marked button in the upper right hand corner. Note: I can disengage the sidebars focus with escape and edit the document using only the approximately 2/3's of the screen/window width. But I can't make the sidebar go away with the keyboard. And I note: that this is so regardless of whether or not I've selected the Spellcheck Continuously setting... If anyone is experiencing symptoms like that with their copy of LyX... Please tell me! -- | ~^~ ~^~ | ? ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^J(tWdy)P |\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net
Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {KBD shortcut(s)}
It would appear that on Jun 14, David L. Johnson did say: On 06/14/2011 11:52 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: I may be a bit too dependent on the various package management systems on my installed distros but most of the time this saves me a lot of dependency headaches. I don't think I would fault anyone for being dependent upon package management systems on a distro. I've been using debian since -- I have no idea how long --- and have found that the package management is now very, very good (it wasn't so smart at first), and it is very difficult to avoid difficulties if you oppose its wishes. I am also using 2.0.0, under debian testing (wheezy). The shortcut issues I'm having are: 1) The Alt+D on the Add button conflicts with the Document pull down menu. To actually add the word to the word list I MUST click on the button with the mouse. 2) The Alt+I on the Ignore button conflicts with the Insert pull down menu. Again I MUST click... 3) The Alt+F on the Find next button conflicts with the File pull down menu. Again I MUST click... I see these phenomena as well (I use gnome, but it seems that this is an issue about LyX that is independent of the window-manager). I'll by that, I'm using E17... If you just right-click on the misspelled word when using continuous spellchecking (something I thought I would never do, but I do like it now), you do not get those keyboard shortcuts at all. That's something I know I wouldn't learn to like. Not only do my fingers quickly go numb when I start using the mouse a lot, But I sometimes have difficulty controlling it accurately. I do a little better with my trackball than a traditional mouse but as a control interface it still gives me much aggravation. Aside from which I would NOT want full time spellchecking. Anything that instantly tells me a word is misspelled (even those stupid squiggly underlines like they use in some word processors and web browsers, are enough to make me lose track of the creative thought process when I'm typing new content... Maybe they need to be removed from the spellchecker window, {whimper} If they remove them nobody will ever fix them and I don't wanna be stuck with the mouse. or changed to avoid the conflicts. Now that's the ticket. But to avoid the conflict with Documents, the Add button would have to either need to use a character NOT in it's label or give it the Alt+A shortcut, which would mean the Replace All button couldn't use the A anymore. And so on... A better solution would be perhaps to force the focus to switch to the spell checker window when F7 is pressed, and keep it there until (the escape key is pressed, the spell checker window is closed, or a mouse click is made within the main window. This may also depend upon how you set up your LyX shortcuts. I use cua with a few additions (not conflicting with these commands). Could you tell me how to add one to close the spellchecker. The sidebar doesn't disappear upon the escape key any more. And while I can't remember if undocking it so that it's once again a floating box that hides part of the context goes away upon the esc key. But I surely noticed that undocking it from being a sidebar stops the questionable words from getting highlighted... One thing to note is that, if the spellchecker window has the focus, you can use the shortcuts. But typically the focus would be on the main window, and since that gets the focus the shortcuts would go to its menu. So you have to use the mouse, no matter what, at least to shift the input focus to the spellchecker window. {whimper} -- | ~^~ ~^~ | * * Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^J(tWdy)P | \___/ jtw...@ttlc.net
LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {KBD shortcut(s)}
Has anybody else experienced these keyboard shortcut issues with the spellchecker sidebar on LyX 2.0??? Especially any one NOT using the binary found in the PCLinuxOS repository? If it matters: I'm a ‘multi-boot’, ‘multi-Linux Distro’ user. And I use whichever version of LyX is available from the repository of whichever Linux system I'm currently using. I may be a bit too dependent on the various package management systems on my installed distros but most of the time this saves me a lot of dependency headaches. At the moment the only one of my installed Linux that normal system upgrades resulted in LyX 2.0.0 (April 29 2011) is my PCLinuxOS installation. Thus I have no other LyX 2.0 to use to see if the keyboard shortcut issues I've encountered are inherent in LyX 2.0.0, or {I do hope} perhaps they stem from some modifications made by the PCLinuxOS package maintainers. I asked about these issues earlier and got some suggestions, but nobody said that their LyX 2.0 had the same problem. Since most people nowadays are more comfortable with using the mouse as a primary control interface, it is quite possible that more LyX 2.0 users have these keyboard shortcut issues than are aware of it. (simply because they "click" on the buttons rather than typing in the keyboard shortcuts.) The shortcut issues I'm having are: 1) The Alt+D on the "Add" button conflicts with the "Document" pull down menu. To actually add the word to the word list I MUST click on the button with the mouse. 2) The Alt+I on the "Ignore" button conflicts with the "Insert" pull down menu. Again I MUST click... 3) The Alt+F on the "Find next" button conflicts with the "File" pull down menu. Again I MUST click... 3) There does not appear to be any way to use the keyboard to dismiss the sidebars so that the document text can use the entire window/screen width. To ditch the sidebar I MUST click on the little "x" marked button in the upper right hand corner. Note: I can disengage the sidebars focus with escape and edit the document using only the approximately 2/3's of the screen/window width. But I can't make the sidebar go away with the keyboard. And I note: that this is so regardless of whether or not I've selected the "Spellcheck Continuously" setting... If anyone is experiencing symptoms like that with their copy of LyX... Please tell me! -- | ~^~ ~^~ |Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^J(tWdy)P |\___/ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>
Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {KBD shortcut(s)}
It would appear that on Jun 14, David L. Johnson did say: > On 06/14/2011 11:52 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > > > I may be a bit too dependent on > > the various package management systems on my installed distros but > > most of the time this saves me a lot of dependency headaches. > > I don't think I would fault anyone for being dependent upon package management > systems on a distro. I've been using debian since -- I have no idea how long > --- and have found that the package management is now very, very good (it > wasn't so smart at first), and it is very difficult to avoid difficulties if > you oppose its wishes. > > I am also using 2.0.0, under debian testing (wheezy). > > > The shortcut issues I'm having are: > > > > 1) The Alt+D on the "Add" button conflicts with the "Document" pull > > down menu. To actually add the word to the word list I MUST click on the > > button with the mouse. > > > > 2) The Alt+I on the "Ignore" button conflicts with the "Insert" pull > > down menu. > > Again I MUST click... > > > > 3) The Alt+F on the "Find next" button conflicts with the "File" pull > > down menu. > > Again I MUST click... > > I see these phenomena as well (I use gnome, but it seems that this is an issue > about LyX that is independent of the window-manager). I'll by that, I'm using E17... > If you just right-click on the misspelled word when using continuous > spellchecking (something I thought I would never do, but I do like it now), > you do not get those keyboard shortcuts at all. That's something I know I wouldn't learn to like. Not only do my fingers quickly go numb when I start using the mouse a lot, But I sometimes have difficulty controlling it accurately. I do a little better with my trackball than a traditional mouse but as a control interface it still gives me much aggravation. Aside from which I would NOT want full time spellchecking. Anything that instantly tells me a word is misspelled (even those stupid squiggly underlines like they use in some word processors and web browsers, are enough to make me lose track of the creative thought process when I'm typing new content... > Maybe they need to be removed from the spellchecker window, {whimper} If they remove them nobody will ever fix them and I don't wanna be stuck with the mouse. > or changed to avoid the conflicts. Now that's the ticket. But to avoid the conflict with Documents, the Add button would have to either need to use a character NOT in it's label or give it the Alt+A shortcut, which would mean the "Replace All" button couldn't use the "A" anymore. And so on... A better solution would be perhaps to force the focus to switch to the spell checker window when F7 is pressed, and keep it there until (the escape key is pressed, the spell checker window is closed, or a mouse click is made within the main window. > This may also depend upon how you set up your LyX shortcuts. I use cua with a > few additions (not conflicting with these commands). Could you tell me how to add one to close the spellchecker. The sidebar doesn't disappear upon the escape key any more. And while I can't remember if undocking it so that it's once again a floating box that hides part of the context goes away upon the esc key. But I surely noticed that undocking it from being a sidebar stops the questionable words from getting highlighted... > One thing to note is that, if the spellchecker window has the focus, you can > use the shortcuts. But typically the focus would be on the main window, and > since that gets the focus the shortcuts would go to its menu. So you have to > use the mouse, no matter what, at least to shift the input focus to the > spellchecker window. {whimper} -- | ~^~ ~^~ | <*> <*> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^J(tWdy)P | \___/ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>
Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {¿pwl_english.dict?}
It would appear that on Jun 6, Stephan Witt did say: Am 04.06.2011 um 03:38 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook: I've also notices another oddness. according to those Spellchecker preferences I do still have aspell selected as my spellchecker. but when (as I mentioned in my previous post) I couldn't get the spell checker to recognize “Avant-garde” as a word even after clicking on the add button I tested the add function with a repeated ridiculous spelling of “pulleese” And upon adding the first instance by clicking on the add button the spell checker skipped the second. And when I returned to LyX on my PCLinuxOS installation to test the Spellcheck continuously checkbox I started the spell checker at the same place and it still skips over “pulleese”. Even though I opened ~/.aspell.en.pws with vim and searched for “pulleese” so I could delete it from the dictionary. But all it got me was: “E486: Pattern not found: pulleese” IF it's using aspell, ¿where else could it be hiding the added word? I wouldn't have added that silly thing if I didn't think I could remove it... To remove that word you can use LyX. In case you are using Spellcheck continuously you have the option to remove it with the context menu. I know that you don't use it and now I can see the need for an interface to remove a previously added word somewhere in the ordinary spellchecker dialog... Currently you have to remove it from the file located inside your home directory below the .lyx folder. It's named e.g. pwl_english.dict. OK, whether or not my keyboard shortcut issues are resolved (or limited to the version that may have been modified by the PCLinuxOS maintainers) I'm going to need to understand this... You see I have this shell script that swaps out aspell's dictionary files «.aspell.en.prepl .aspell.en.pws» For special copies of them from my personal data partition just before opening the LyX files of a sci-fi story I've been working on... This serves two purposes: 1) It makes the same storyline fictional words available to aspell during the editing of this sci-fi story no matter which Linux I've booted. 2) Because that script sits there in it's open terminal window waiting for me to tell it I'm done so that it can swap the dictionary files back, this also prevents aspell from accidentally accepting one of these fictional words when I'm writing something else... So If I understand what's happening, LyX 2.0.0's implementation of aspell looks in aspell's own dictionary files, but only adds words to it's own special ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict file where they will not be available for aspell to use outside of the LyX environment??? ¿¿¿Is there any reason why I can't simply modify the above script to also swap out copies of that file so that LyX would only find fictional words it added to the pwl_english.dict file during the editing of this sci-fi story would be while spell checking this sci-fi story??? Thanks -- | ~^~ ~^~ | ? ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^J(tWdy)P |\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net
Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {KBD shortcut(s)}
It would appear that on Jun 5, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say: You can freely relocate the side-bar to your wishes. WARNING: LyX seems to crash often when you do. On 5-6-2011 16:23, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: Well if it wouldn't make it crash... I might prefer it took up some of my vertical screen space (fewer lines per page) rather than taking up some of my horizontal space (fewer words per line) But Not so much as to be worth frequent crashes... You can safely try it... if it succeeds, don't touch it again ;). OK Now I think I understand you mean that sometimes LyX crashes while relocating the sidebar rather than frequent crashes just using the relocated sidebar... Perhaps I will try that then. NOTE: I just booted into my PCLinuxOS installation where the LyX 2.0.0 is installed to test this { the shortcuts below of course} And I'm not sure I'm doing this right... But the only method I found to move this was to click on a small button labeled with a circular symbol {perhaps an o} that's next to the little x marked button that would close it. This appears to undock and redock the sidebar so that it's more like the old pop-up that liked to hide the context. Once ‘undocked’ I can drag it around and/or re-size it with the mouse. But when I attempt to use it in the undocked state it not only tends to hide the context of the word in question, But on the main text window the suspect word doesn't even get hi-lighted like it does when this spellchecker is ‘docked’ as a sidebar. So moving it does little to help me spot the context I need to review... Besides relocating it isn't the problem. I just want the keyboard shortcuts to work right and especially to be able to dismiss the durned thing with the keyboard, when I'm done spellchecking... Crtl+Shift+F should hide the pane again. Just like pressing Alt-x twice. Well That I will try... If it works it will go a long way to making me comfortable with the new spellchecker interface. Unfortunately this didn't work. The Ctrl+Shift+F shortcut calls up another sidebar with some find sidebar. And Alt-x is a toggle for a command line box of some kind. At least that's what it does when the spellchecker sidebar doesn't have the focus... Funny how the spellchecker can stop Alt-x from calling up said command input box. But it doesn't stop the ‘File’, ‘Insert’, and ‘Document’ pull down menus from messing with the ‘Find Next’, ‘Ignore’, ‘Add’ buttons??? Since to me the mouse in an uncomfortable, non-intuitive, sometimes problematical control interface I really detest having to resort to it every time I need to ADD, or IGNORE a word. Not to mention close the spell checker dialog... At least I don't have much use for the ‘Find Next’ button or I'm sure that shortcut conflict would bother me as well. Thanks anyway... Gosh! I surely do hope these shortcut problems are due to some modification made only in the version of 2.0.0 found in the PCLinuxOS repository. Please tell me that's the problem. Cause once v2.0.0 trickles it's way through Arch Linux and Ubuntu, I won''t have a lot of choice about upgrading to it... -- |^^^ ^^^ |o o Joe (theWordy) Philbrook |^ J(tWdy)P | ___ jtw...@ttlc.net | ' `
Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {¿pwl_english.dict?}
It would appear that on Jun 6, Stephan Witt did say: Am 06.06.2011 um 18:23 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook: OK, whether or not my keyboard shortcut issues are resolved (or limited to the version that may have been modified by the PCLinuxOS maintainers) I'm going to need to understand this... You see I have this shell script that swaps out aspell's dictionary files «.aspell.en.prepl .aspell.en.pws» For special copies of them from my personal data partition just before opening the LyX files of a sci-fi story I've been working on... This serves two purposes: 1) It makes the same storyline fictional words available to aspell during the editing of this sci-fi story no matter which Linux I've booted. 2) Because that script sits there in it's open terminal window waiting for me to tell it I'm done so that it can swap the dictionary files back, this also prevents aspell from accidentally accepting one of these fictional words when I'm writing something else... So If I understand what's happening, LyX 2.0.0's implementation of aspell looks in aspell's own dictionary files, but only adds words to it's own special ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict file where they will not be available for aspell to use outside of the LyX environment??? ¿¿¿Is there any reason why I can't simply modify the above script to also swap out copies of that file so that LyX would only find fictional words it added to the pwl_english.dict file during the editing of this sci-fi story would be while spell checking this sci-fi story??? Sorry, I don't understand. You've asked where LyX stores the personal word list... and I gave you the answer. Where did you mention your script before? All of your doing sounds very creative or at least not so common. That's true enough. But until you told me that personal word list was located in ~/.lyx/ I wasn't even sure that aspell itself wasn't doing this. And since by the time my script starts LyX, the only aspell dictionary files involved are in their traditional location, I believed that mentioning the script at that point in the discussion might confuse the issue. And yes I thought it was a creative solution that's based on the fact that my ~/com directory (like my ~/mail directory) is actually a symlink to a directory on a personal data drive that gets mounted in the same place regardless of which of 4 currently installed Linux distros I boot. Since it sounded like my script may have piqued your curiosity I attached a copy of it. it's file name is stg (which is also the working title of the story involved...) You may ask why LyX maintains a private personal word list. It's because there is no interface for aspell to remove a word from its personal dictionary. And the author of it refused to consider to add one. For the average user it's not acceptable to search and edit the personal dictionary file, IMHO. Agreed. I still vaguely remember the angst I felt way back the first time I accidentally added a badly misspelled word to aspell's dictionary. To make your workflow possible LyX's personal word list management needs to be changed. The plan instead is to make the personal word lists document based, so one can add words locally or globally. But this is not done already. Ah, so then if I modified my script to also swap out the pwl_english.dict file I'd be asking for it. At least I presume that either the format of the pwl_english.dict file will get more complex or there will be perhaps a proliferation of PWL files each named after the document involved... Fortunately once the PWLs become document based, I won't need to. Is that plan likely to be implemented any time soon? I mean I'd hate to bother modifying my script only to find that the PWL file(s) became more complex the very next week... May I suggest that when the choice to add words to the local document's word list or the multi-document global one is implemented, it would be a good thing to also add an export to aspell choice that also provides an “are you sure?” warning that advises the average user that no provision is made to automatically remove words from aspell's native word list. -- | --- ___ | 0 - Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P |~\___/~ jtw...@ttlc.net#! /bin/bash echo echo you are about to spin of a lyx session and then use the current echo konsole to open mc in the lyxSTUFF directory... echo echo Note: if you are not in a konsole or if you are already running echo mc in it (hint use ^O to verify) then you should abort... echo echo press enter to continue echo -or- echo use ^c to abort echo read dummy # Note since running stg, will now enable storyline copy of spellcheck # wordlists... # test if can filter copy by greping for BranchCritter grepout=`grep BranchCritter /home/jtwdyp/.aspell.en.pws` if [ $grepout
Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {¿pwl_english.dict?}
It would appear that on Jun 6, Stephan Witt did say: Am 04.06.2011 um 03:38 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook: I've also notices another oddness. according to those Spellchecker preferences I do still have aspell selected as my spellchecker. but when (as I mentioned in my previous post) I couldn't get the spell checker to recognize “Avant-garde” as a word even after clicking on the add button I tested the add function with a repeated ridiculous spelling of “pulleese” And upon adding the first instance by clicking on the add button the spell checker skipped the second. And when I returned to LyX on my PCLinuxOS installation to test the Spellcheck continuously checkbox I started the spell checker at the same place and it still skips over “pulleese”. Even though I opened ~/.aspell.en.pws with vim and searched for “pulleese” so I could delete it from the dictionary. But all it got me was: “E486: Pattern not found: pulleese” IF it's using aspell, ¿where else could it be hiding the added word? I wouldn't have added that silly thing if I didn't think I could remove it... To remove that word you can use LyX. In case you are using Spellcheck continuously you have the option to remove it with the context menu. I know that you don't use it and now I can see the need for an interface to remove a previously added word somewhere in the ordinary spellchecker dialog... Currently you have to remove it from the file located inside your home directory below the .lyx folder. It's named e.g. pwl_english.dict. OK, whether or not my keyboard shortcut issues are resolved (or limited to the version that may have been modified by the PCLinuxOS maintainers) I'm going to need to understand this... You see I have this shell script that swaps out aspell's dictionary files «.aspell.en.prepl .aspell.en.pws» For special copies of them from my personal data partition just before opening the LyX files of a sci-fi story I've been working on... This serves two purposes: 1) It makes the same storyline fictional words available to aspell during the editing of this sci-fi story no matter which Linux I've booted. 2) Because that script sits there in it's open terminal window waiting for me to tell it I'm done so that it can swap the dictionary files back, this also prevents aspell from accidentally accepting one of these fictional words when I'm writing something else... So If I understand what's happening, LyX 2.0.0's implementation of aspell looks in aspell's own dictionary files, but only adds words to it's own special ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict file where they will not be available for aspell to use outside of the LyX environment??? ¿¿¿Is there any reason why I can't simply modify the above script to also swap out copies of that file so that LyX would only find fictional words it added to the pwl_english.dict file during the editing of this sci-fi story would be while spell checking this sci-fi story??? Thanks -- | ~^~ ~^~ | ? ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^J(tWdy)P |\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net
Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {KBD shortcut(s)}
It would appear that on Jun 5, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say: You can freely relocate the side-bar to your wishes. WARNING: LyX seems to crash often when you do. On 5-6-2011 16:23, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: Well if it wouldn't make it crash... I might prefer it took up some of my vertical screen space (fewer lines per page) rather than taking up some of my horizontal space (fewer words per line) But Not so much as to be worth frequent crashes... You can safely try it... if it succeeds, don't touch it again ;). OK Now I think I understand you mean that sometimes LyX crashes while relocating the sidebar rather than frequent crashes just using the relocated sidebar... Perhaps I will try that then. NOTE: I just booted into my PCLinuxOS installation where the LyX 2.0.0 is installed to test this { the shortcuts below of course} And I'm not sure I'm doing this right... But the only method I found to move this was to click on a small button labeled with a circular symbol {perhaps an o} that's next to the little x marked button that would close it. This appears to undock and redock the sidebar so that it's more like the old pop-up that liked to hide the context. Once ‘undocked’ I can drag it around and/or re-size it with the mouse. But when I attempt to use it in the undocked state it not only tends to hide the context of the word in question, But on the main text window the suspect word doesn't even get hi-lighted like it does when this spellchecker is ‘docked’ as a sidebar. So moving it does little to help me spot the context I need to review... Besides relocating it isn't the problem. I just want the keyboard shortcuts to work right and especially to be able to dismiss the durned thing with the keyboard, when I'm done spellchecking... Crtl+Shift+F should hide the pane again. Just like pressing Alt-x twice. Well That I will try... If it works it will go a long way to making me comfortable with the new spellchecker interface. Unfortunately this didn't work. The Ctrl+Shift+F shortcut calls up another sidebar with some find sidebar. And Alt-x is a toggle for a command line box of some kind. At least that's what it does when the spellchecker sidebar doesn't have the focus... Funny how the spellchecker can stop Alt-x from calling up said command input box. But it doesn't stop the ‘File’, ‘Insert’, and ‘Document’ pull down menus from messing with the ‘Find Next’, ‘Ignore’, ‘Add’ buttons??? Since to me the mouse in an uncomfortable, non-intuitive, sometimes problematical control interface I really detest having to resort to it every time I need to ADD, or IGNORE a word. Not to mention close the spell checker dialog... At least I don't have much use for the ‘Find Next’ button or I'm sure that shortcut conflict would bother me as well. Thanks anyway... Gosh! I surely do hope these shortcut problems are due to some modification made only in the version of 2.0.0 found in the PCLinuxOS repository. Please tell me that's the problem. Cause once v2.0.0 trickles it's way through Arch Linux and Ubuntu, I won''t have a lot of choice about upgrading to it... -- |^^^ ^^^ |o o Joe (theWordy) Philbrook |^ J(tWdy)P | ___ jtw...@ttlc.net | ' `
Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker {¿pwl_english.dict?}
It would appear that on Jun 6, Stephan Witt did say: Am 06.06.2011 um 18:23 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook: OK, whether or not my keyboard shortcut issues are resolved (or limited to the version that may have been modified by the PCLinuxOS maintainers) I'm going to need to understand this... You see I have this shell script that swaps out aspell's dictionary files «.aspell.en.prepl .aspell.en.pws» For special copies of them from my personal data partition just before opening the LyX files of a sci-fi story I've been working on... This serves two purposes: 1) It makes the same storyline fictional words available to aspell during the editing of this sci-fi story no matter which Linux I've booted. 2) Because that script sits there in it's open terminal window waiting for me to tell it I'm done so that it can swap the dictionary files back, this also prevents aspell from accidentally accepting one of these fictional words when I'm writing something else... So If I understand what's happening, LyX 2.0.0's implementation of aspell looks in aspell's own dictionary files, but only adds words to it's own special ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict file where they will not be available for aspell to use outside of the LyX environment??? ¿¿¿Is there any reason why I can't simply modify the above script to also swap out copies of that file so that LyX would only find fictional words it added to the pwl_english.dict file during the editing of this sci-fi story would be while spell checking this sci-fi story??? Sorry, I don't understand. You've asked where LyX stores the personal word list... and I gave you the answer. Where did you mention your script before? All of your doing sounds very creative or at least not so common. That's true enough. But until you told me that personal word list was located in ~/.lyx/ I wasn't even sure that aspell itself wasn't doing this. And since by the time my script starts LyX, the only aspell dictionary files involved are in their traditional location, I believed that mentioning the script at that point in the discussion might confuse the issue. And yes I thought it was a creative solution that's based on the fact that my ~/com directory (like my ~/mail directory) is actually a symlink to a directory on a personal data drive that gets mounted in the same place regardless of which of 4 currently installed Linux distros I boot. Since it sounded like my script may have piqued your curiosity I attached a copy of it. it's file name is stg (which is also the working title of the story involved...) You may ask why LyX maintains a private personal word list. It's because there is no interface for aspell to remove a word from its personal dictionary. And the author of it refused to consider to add one. For the average user it's not acceptable to search and edit the personal dictionary file, IMHO. Agreed. I still vaguely remember the angst I felt way back the first time I accidentally added a badly misspelled word to aspell's dictionary. To make your workflow possible LyX's personal word list management needs to be changed. The plan instead is to make the personal word lists document based, so one can add words locally or globally. But this is not done already. Ah, so then if I modified my script to also swap out the pwl_english.dict file I'd be asking for it. At least I presume that either the format of the pwl_english.dict file will get more complex or there will be perhaps a proliferation of PWL files each named after the document involved... Fortunately once the PWLs become document based, I won't need to. Is that plan likely to be implemented any time soon? I mean I'd hate to bother modifying my script only to find that the PWL file(s) became more complex the very next week... May I suggest that when the choice to add words to the local document's word list or the multi-document global one is implemented, it would be a good thing to also add an export to aspell choice that also provides an “are you sure?” warning that advises the average user that no provision is made to automatically remove words from aspell's native word list. -- | --- ___ | 0 - Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P |~\___/~ jtw...@ttlc.net#! /bin/bash echo echo you are about to spin of a lyx session and then use the current echo konsole to open mc in the lyxSTUFF directory... echo echo Note: if you are not in a konsole or if you are already running echo mc in it (hint use ^O to verify) then you should abort... echo echo press enter to continue echo -or- echo use ^c to abort echo read dummy # Note since running stg, will now enable storyline copy of spellcheck # wordlists... # test if can filter copy by greping for BranchCritter grepout=`grep BranchCritter /home/jtwdyp/.aspell.en.pws` if [ $grepout
Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker & {¿pwl_english.dict?}
It would appear that on Jun 6, Stephan Witt did say: > Am 04.06.2011 um 03:38 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook: > > I've also notices another oddness. according to those Spellchecker > > preferences I do still have aspell selected as my spellchecker. > > but when (as I mentioned in my previous post) I couldn't get the spell > > checker to recognize “Avant-garde” as a word even after clicking on the add > > button I tested the add function with a repeated ridiculous spelling of > > “pulleese” And upon "adding the first instance by clicking on the add > > button the spell checker skipped the second. And when I returned to LyX on > > my PCLinuxOS installation to test the checkbox > > I started the spell checker at the same place and it still skips over > > “pulleese”. Even though I opened ~/.aspell.en.pws with vim and searched for > > “pulleese” so I could delete it from the dictionary. But all it got me was: > > “E486: Pattern not found: pulleese” > > > > IF it's using aspell, ¿where else could it be hiding the added word? > > I wouldn't have added that silly thing if I didn't think I could remove > > it... > > To remove that word you can use LyX. In case you are using continuously> > you have the option to remove it with the context menu. > I know that you don't use it and now I can see the need for an interface to > remove > a previously added word somewhere in the ordinary spellchecker dialog... > Currently you have to remove it from the file located inside your home > directory > below the .lyx folder. It's named e.g. pwl_english.dict. OK, whether or not my keyboard shortcut issues are resolved (or limited to the version that may have been modified by the PCLinuxOS maintainers) I'm going to need to understand this... You see I have this shell script that swaps out aspell's dictionary files «.aspell.en.prepl & .aspell.en.pws» For special copies of them from my personal data partition just before opening the LyX files of a sci-fi story I've been working on... This serves two purposes: 1) It makes the same "storyline" fictional words available to aspell during the editing of this sci-fi story no matter which Linux I've booted. 2) Because that script sits there in it's open terminal window waiting for me to tell it I'm done so that it can swap the dictionary files back, this also prevents aspell from accidentally accepting one of these fictional words when I'm writing something else... So If I understand what's happening, LyX 2.0.0's implementation of aspell looks in aspell's own dictionary files, but only adds words to it's own special ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict file where they will not be available for aspell to use outside of the LyX environment??? ¿¿¿Is there any reason why I can't simply modify the above script to also swap out copies of that file so that LyX would only find fictional words it added to the pwl_english.dict file during the editing of this sci-fi story would be while spell checking this sci-fi story??? Thanks -- | ~^~ ~^~ |Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^J(tWdy)P |\___/ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>
Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker & {KBD shortcut(s)}
It would appear that on Jun 5, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say: > You can freely relocate the side-bar to your wishes. > > WARNING: LyX seems to crash often when you do. > > On 5-6-2011 16:23, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > > > > Well if it wouldn't make it crash... I might prefer it took up some of my > > vertical screen space (fewer lines per page) rather than taking up some of > > my horizontal space (fewer words per line) But Not so much as to be worth > > frequent crashes... > > You can safely try it... if it succeeds, don't touch it again ;). > OK Now I think I understand you mean that sometimes LyX crashes while relocating the sidebar rather than frequent crashes just using the relocated sidebar... Perhaps I will try that then. NOTE: I just booted into my PCLinuxOS installation where the LyX 2.0.0 is installed to test this {& the shortcuts below of course} And I'm not sure I'm doing this right... But the only method I found to move this was to click on a small button labeled with a circular symbol {perhaps an "o"} that's next to the little "x" marked button that would close it. This appears to undock and redock the sidebar so that it's more like the old pop-up that liked to hide the context. Once ‘undocked’ I can drag it around and/or re-size it with the mouse. But when I attempt to use it in the undocked state it not only tends to hide the context of the word in question, But on the main text window the suspect word doesn't even get hi-lighted like it does when this spellchecker is ‘docked’ as a sidebar. So moving it does little to help me spot the context I need to review... > > Besides relocating it isn't the problem. I just want the keyboard shortcuts > > to work right and especially to be able to dismiss the durned thing with the > > keyboard, when I'm done spellchecking... > > Crtl+Shift+F should hide the pane again. Just like pressing Alt-x twice. Well That I will try... If it works it will go a long way to making me comfortable with the new spellchecker interface. Unfortunately this didn't work. The Ctrl+Shift+F shortcut calls up another sidebar with some find sidebar. And Alt-x is a toggle for a command line box of some kind. At least that's what it does when the spellchecker sidebar doesn't have the focus... Funny how the spellchecker can stop Alt-x from calling up said command input box. But it doesn't stop the ‘File’, ‘Insert’, and ‘Document’ pull down menus from messing with the ‘Find Next’, ‘Ignore’, & ‘Add’ buttons??? Since to me the mouse in an uncomfortable, non-intuitive, & sometimes problematical control interface I really detest having to resort to it every time I need to ADD, or IGNORE a word. Not to mention close the spell checker dialog... At least I don't have much use for the ‘Find Next’ button or I'm sure that shortcut conflict would bother me as well. Thanks anyway... Gosh! I surely do hope these shortcut problems are due to some modification made only in the version of 2.0.0 found in the PCLinuxOS repository. Please tell me that's the problem. Cause once v2.0.0 trickles it's way through Arch Linux and Ubuntu, I won''t have a lot of choice about upgrading to it... -- |^^^ ^^^ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook |^ J(tWdy)P | ___ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>> | ' `
Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker & {¿pwl_english.dict?}
It would appear that on Jun 6, Stephan Witt did say: > Am 06.06.2011 um 18:23 schrieb Joe(theWordy)Philbrook: > > OK, whether or not my keyboard shortcut issues are resolved (or limited to > > the version that may have been modified by the PCLinuxOS maintainers) I'm > > going to need to understand this... > > > > You see I have this shell script that swaps out aspell's dictionary files > > «.aspell.en.prepl & .aspell.en.pws» For special copies of them from my > > personal data partition just before opening the LyX files of a sci-fi story > > I've been working on... This serves two purposes: > > > > 1) It makes the same "storyline" fictional words available to aspell > > during the editing of this sci-fi story no matter which Linux I've > > booted. > > > > 2) Because that script sits there in it's open terminal window waiting for > > me to tell it I'm done so that it can swap the dictionary files back, > > this also prevents aspell from accidentally accepting one of these > > fictional words when I'm writing something else... > > > > So If I understand what's happening, LyX 2.0.0's implementation of aspell > > looks in aspell's own dictionary files, but only adds words to it's own > > special ~/.lyx/pwl_english.dict file where they will not be available for > > aspell to use outside of the LyX environment??? > > > > ¿¿¿Is there any reason why I can't simply modify the above script to also > > swap out copies of that file so that LyX would only find fictional words it > > added to the pwl_english.dict file during the editing of this sci-fi story > > would be while spell checking this sci-fi story??? > > Sorry, I don't understand. > > You've asked where LyX stores the personal word list... and I gave you the > answer. > Where did you mention your script before? All of your doing sounds very > "creative" > or at least not so common. That's true enough. But until you told me that "personal word list" was located in ~/.lyx/ I wasn't even sure that aspell itself wasn't doing this. And since by the time my script starts LyX, the only aspell dictionary files involved are in their traditional location, I believed that mentioning the script at that point in the discussion might confuse the issue. And yes I thought it was a creative solution that's based on the fact that my ~/com directory (like my ~/mail directory) is actually a symlink to a directory on a personal data drive that gets mounted in the same place regardless of which of 4 currently installed Linux distros I boot. Since it sounded like my script may have piqued your curiosity I attached a copy of it. it's file name is stg (which is also the working title of the story involved...) > You may ask why LyX maintains a private personal word list. It's because > there is > no interface for aspell to remove a word from its personal dictionary. And > the author > of it refused to consider to add one. For the average user it's not > acceptable to > search and edit the personal dictionary file, IMHO. Agreed. I still vaguely remember the angst I felt way back the first time I accidentally added a badly misspelled word to aspell's dictionary. > To make your workflow possible LyX's personal word list management needs to > be changed. > The plan instead is to make the personal word lists document based, so one > can add > words locally or globally. But this is not done already. Ah, so then if I modified my script to also swap out the pwl_english.dict file I'd be asking for it. At least I presume that either the format of the pwl_english.dict file will get more complex or there will be perhaps a proliferation of PWL files each named after the document involved... Fortunately once the PWLs become document based, I won't need to. Is that plan likely to be implemented any time soon? I mean I'd hate to bother modifying my script only to find that the PWL file(s) became more complex the very next week... May I suggest that when the choice to add words to the local document's word list or the multi-document global one is implemented, it would be a good thing to also add an "export to aspell" choice that also provides an “are you sure?” warning that advises the average user that no provision is made to automatically remove words from aspell's native word list. -- | --- ___ | <0> <-> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P |~\___/~ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>#! /bin/bash echo echo " you are about to spin of a lyx session and then use the current" echo "konsole to open mc in the lyxSTUFF directory..." echo echo "Note: if you are not in a konsole or if you are already running" echo "
Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!
It would appear that on Jun 5, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say: 2) pop up vs sidebar: I think this was probably the solution to the issue that the old pop up wasn't smart enough not to hide the hi-lighted word and it's immediate context when it opened. And I'll admit that as much as I totally loath all sidebars «I like my entire window width to always be reserved for the primary text window of anything I'm editing/reading...» Even a pop-up side bar is a better idea than blocking the view of the word's context... Or at least it would be if: You can freely relocate the side-bar to your wishes. WARNING: LyX seems to crash often when you do. Well if it wouldn't make it crash... I might prefer it took up some of my vertical screen space (fewer lines per page) rather than taking up some of my horizontal space (fewer words per line) But Not so much as to be worth frequent crashes... Besides relocating it isn't the problem. I just want the keyboard shortcuts to work right and especially to be able to dismiss the durned thing with the keyboard, when I'm done spellchecking... But thanks for the suggestion. -- |^^^ ^^^ |o o Joe (theWordy) Philbrook |^ J(tWdy)P | ___ jtw...@ttlc.net sigh
Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!
It would appear that on Jun 5, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say: 2) pop up vs sidebar: I think this was probably the solution to the issue that the old pop up wasn't smart enough not to hide the hi-lighted word and it's immediate context when it opened. And I'll admit that as much as I totally loath all sidebars «I like my entire window width to always be reserved for the primary text window of anything I'm editing/reading...» Even a pop-up side bar is a better idea than blocking the view of the word's context... Or at least it would be if: You can freely relocate the side-bar to your wishes. WARNING: LyX seems to crash often when you do. Well if it wouldn't make it crash... I might prefer it took up some of my vertical screen space (fewer lines per page) rather than taking up some of my horizontal space (fewer words per line) But Not so much as to be worth frequent crashes... Besides relocating it isn't the problem. I just want the keyboard shortcuts to work right and especially to be able to dismiss the durned thing with the keyboard, when I'm done spellchecking... But thanks for the suggestion. -- |^^^ ^^^ |o o Joe (theWordy) Philbrook |^ J(tWdy)P | ___ jtw...@ttlc.net sigh
Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker & user interface Eeeeeek!
It would appear that on Jun 5, Vincent van Ravesteijn did say: > 2) pop up vs sidebar: I think this was probably the solution to the > issue > that the old pop up wasn't smart enough not to hide the hi-lighted word > and > it's immediate context when it opened. And I'll admit that as much as I > totally loath all sidebars «I like my entire window width to always be > reserved for the primary text window of anything I'm editing/reading...» > Even a pop-up side bar is a better idea than blocking the view of the > word's context... Or at least it would be if: > > > You can freely relocate the side-bar to your wishes. > > WARNING: LyX seems to crash often when you do. Well if it wouldn't make it crash... I might prefer it took up some of my vertical screen space (fewer lines per page) rather than taking up some of my horizontal space (fewer words per line) But Not so much as to be worth frequent crashes... Besides relocating it isn't the problem. I just want the keyboard shortcuts to work right and especially to be able to dismiss the durned thing with the keyboard, when I'm done spellchecking... But thanks for the suggestion. -- |^^^ ^^^ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook |^ J(tWdy)P | ___ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>
LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!
that the spell checker stops on the marker text at the end of the section of text I'm spell checking. I found it very disturbing that when I used ‘alt+U’ to select an alternate item from the suggestion list, and hit enter the spell checker skipped forward to the next place with the same misspelled word completely skipping over other spelling errors including my marker text so that it was checking a different part of the document than I had ‘marked’ for spell checking... -- |^^^ ^^^ |o o Joe (theWordy) Philbrook |^ `J(tWdy)P | ___ jtw...@ttlc.net | ' `
Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!
It would appear that on Jun 4, Charlie did say: On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:56:53 -0400 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote: This is worse than those distracting squiggly underlines that some programs insist on putting under unrecognized words. I don't like those because they distract me from the natural flow of my writing. I may be able to help you with the above. Go to: Tools -- Preferences -- Language settings -- Spellchecker and remove the x out of the Spellcheck continuously box I imagine you must have placed that x in as it was never a default in my install on Debian testing. This feature was discussed on this list and it was created so those who wanted it could have it, but was not forced on everyone, thank heavens. Also having that feature on might have the spellcheck sidebar constantly on your monitor. [shudder] I double checked and that option wasn't checked. So I tried checking it and *saving the changes. No change in behavior. Then I set it back to unchecked and again *saves the changes. Still no change... sigh Thanks anyway! *NOTE: while I can ‘select’ the ‘save’ button in tools-preferences with ‘alt+S’ (it gets a little blue outline) but the preference dialog doesn't close and the button gives no visual reference of being pressed. Unlike the way ‘alt+A’ makes the Apply button get animated to appear momentarily depressed. (So if I want to save changes I'm once again stuck with the durned rodent.) If this isn't supposed to be forced on everybody, then maybe this is a problem with the binary in the PCLinuxOS repository I hope so because if the LyX in my other Linux installations starts acting like this I'm gonna cry for real... I've also notices another oddness. according to those Spellchecker preferences I do still have aspell selected as my spellchecker. but when (as I mentioned in my previous post) I couldn't get the spell checker to recognize “Avant-garde” as a word even after clicking on the add button I tested the add function with a repeated ridiculous spelling of “pulleese” And upon adding the first instance by clicking on the add button the spell checker skipped the second. And when I returned to LyX on my PCLinuxOS installation to test the Spellcheck continuously checkbox I started the spell checker at the same place and it still skips over “pulleese”. Even though I opened ~/.aspell.en.pws with vim and searched for “pulleese” so I could delete it from the dictionary. But all it got me was: “E486: Pattern not found: pulleese” IF it's using aspell, ¿where else could it be hiding the added word? I wouldn't have added that silly thing if I didn't think I could remove it... -- |^^^ ^^^ |o o Joe (theWordy) Philbrook |^ J(tWdy)P | ___ jtw...@ttlc.net | ' `
LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!
that the spell checker stops on the marker text at the end of the section of text I'm spell checking. I found it very disturbing that when I used ‘alt+U’ to select an alternate item from the suggestion list, and hit enter the spell checker skipped forward to the next place with the same misspelled word completely skipping over other spelling errors including my marker text so that it was checking a different part of the document than I had ‘marked’ for spell checking... -- |^^^ ^^^ |o o Joe (theWordy) Philbrook |^ `J(tWdy)P | ___ jtw...@ttlc.net | ' `
Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker user interface Eeeeeek!
It would appear that on Jun 4, Charlie did say: On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:56:53 -0400 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote: This is worse than those distracting squiggly underlines that some programs insist on putting under unrecognized words. I don't like those because they distract me from the natural flow of my writing. I may be able to help you with the above. Go to: Tools -- Preferences -- Language settings -- Spellchecker and remove the x out of the Spellcheck continuously box I imagine you must have placed that x in as it was never a default in my install on Debian testing. This feature was discussed on this list and it was created so those who wanted it could have it, but was not forced on everyone, thank heavens. Also having that feature on might have the spellcheck sidebar constantly on your monitor. [shudder] I double checked and that option wasn't checked. So I tried checking it and *saving the changes. No change in behavior. Then I set it back to unchecked and again *saves the changes. Still no change... sigh Thanks anyway! *NOTE: while I can ‘select’ the ‘save’ button in tools-preferences with ‘alt+S’ (it gets a little blue outline) but the preference dialog doesn't close and the button gives no visual reference of being pressed. Unlike the way ‘alt+A’ makes the Apply button get animated to appear momentarily depressed. (So if I want to save changes I'm once again stuck with the durned rodent.) If this isn't supposed to be forced on everybody, then maybe this is a problem with the binary in the PCLinuxOS repository I hope so because if the LyX in my other Linux installations starts acting like this I'm gonna cry for real... I've also notices another oddness. according to those Spellchecker preferences I do still have aspell selected as my spellchecker. but when (as I mentioned in my previous post) I couldn't get the spell checker to recognize “Avant-garde” as a word even after clicking on the add button I tested the add function with a repeated ridiculous spelling of “pulleese” And upon adding the first instance by clicking on the add button the spell checker skipped the second. And when I returned to LyX on my PCLinuxOS installation to test the Spellcheck continuously checkbox I started the spell checker at the same place and it still skips over “pulleese”. Even though I opened ~/.aspell.en.pws with vim and searched for “pulleese” so I could delete it from the dictionary. But all it got me was: “E486: Pattern not found: pulleese” IF it's using aspell, ¿where else could it be hiding the added word? I wouldn't have added that silly thing if I didn't think I could remove it... -- |^^^ ^^^ |o o Joe (theWordy) Philbrook |^ J(tWdy)P | ___ jtw...@ttlc.net | ' `
LyX 2.0.0 spell checker & user interface Eeeeeek!
pell checker stops on the marker text at the end of the section of text I'm spell checking. I found it very disturbing that when I used ‘+U’ to select an alternate item from the suggestion list, and hit enter the spell checker skipped forward to the next place with the same misspelled word completely skipping over other spelling errors including my marker text so that it was checking a different part of the document than I had ‘marked’ for spell checking... -- |^^^ ^^^ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook |^ `J(tWdy)P | ___ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>> | ' `
Re: LyX 2.0.0 spell checker & user interface Eeeeeek!
It would appear that on Jun 4, Charlie did say: > On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:56:53 -0400 > "Joe(theWordy)Philbrook" <jtw...@ttlc.net> wrote: > > > This is worse than those > > distracting squiggly underlines that some programs insist on putting > > under unrecognized words. I don't like those because they distract me > > from the natural flow of my writing. > > I may be able to help you with the above. > > Go to: > Tools --> Preferences --> Language settings --> Spellchecker > > and remove the "x" out of the box > > I imagine you must have placed that "x" in as it was never a default in > my install on Debian testing. This "feature" was discussed on this list > and it was created so those who wanted it could have it, but was not > forced on everyone, thank heavens. > > Also having that feature on might have the spellcheck sidebar > constantly on your monitor. [shudder] I double checked and that option wasn't checked. So I tried checking it and *saving the changes. No change in behavior. Then I set it back to unchecked and again *saves the changes. Still no change... Thanks anyway! *NOTE: while I can ‘select’ the ‘save’ button in tools-preferences with ‘+S’ (it gets a little blue outline) but the preference dialog doesn't close and the button gives no visual reference of being pressed. Unlike the way ‘+A’ makes the Apply button get animated to appear momentarily depressed. (So if I want to save changes I'm once again stuck with the durned rodent.) If this isn't supposed to be forced on everybody, then maybe this is a problem with the binary in the PCLinuxOS repository I hope so because if the LyX in my other Linux installations starts acting like this I'm gonna cry for real... I've also notices another oddness. according to those Spellchecker preferences I do still have aspell selected as my spellchecker. but when (as I mentioned in my previous post) I couldn't get the spell checker to recognize “Avant-garde” as a word even after clicking on the add button I tested the add function with a repeated ridiculous spelling of “pulleese” And upon "adding the first instance by clicking on the add button the spell checker skipped the second. And when I returned to LyX on my PCLinuxOS installation to test the checkbox I started the spell checker at the same place and it still skips over “pulleese”. Even though I opened ~/.aspell.en.pws with vim and searched for “pulleese” so I could delete it from the dictionary. But all it got me was: “E486: Pattern not found: pulleese” IF it's using aspell, ¿where else could it be hiding the added word? I wouldn't have added that silly thing if I didn't think I could remove it... -- |^^^ ^^^ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook |^ J(tWdy)P | ___ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>> | ' `
windows unattended install flags/switches
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Reading through the wiki and the mailing lists all I could find regarding a silent install of LyX is the /S switch. Are there any other switches/flags? The one I'm most interested in is to be able to log the install. Since this is for an automated install across many pc's and is part of a form install process I can make certain that Miktex, ghostscript, etc. are installed so I won't need the complete installer. Thanks in advance for any and all help. joe -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFNsF6Fb0mzA2gRTpkRAtG2AKCE5PO7ZwGyx28xFAv/nYqTHfm4uACfVy5q 8VqEUvRxzqbIkPj2Ly/1gdA= =zb0q -END PGP SIGNATURE-
windows unattended install flags/switches
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Reading through the wiki and the mailing lists all I could find regarding a silent install of LyX is the /S switch. Are there any other switches/flags? The one I'm most interested in is to be able to log the install. Since this is for an automated install across many pc's and is part of a form install process I can make certain that Miktex, ghostscript, etc. are installed so I won't need the complete installer. Thanks in advance for any and all help. joe -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFNsF6Fb0mzA2gRTpkRAtG2AKCE5PO7ZwGyx28xFAv/nYqTHfm4uACfVy5q 8VqEUvRxzqbIkPj2Ly/1gdA= =zb0q -END PGP SIGNATURE-
windows unattended install flags/switches
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Reading through the wiki and the mailing lists all I could find regarding a silent install of LyX is the /S switch. Are there any other switches/flags? The one I'm most interested in is to be able to log the install. Since this is for an automated install across many pc's and is part of a form install process I can make certain that Miktex, ghostscript, etc. are installed so I won't need the complete installer. Thanks in advance for any and all help. joe -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFNsF6Fb0mzA2gRTpkRAtG2AKCE5PO7ZwGyx28xFAv/nYqTHfm4uACfVy5q 8VqEUvRxzqbIkPj2Ly/1gdA= =zb0q -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Highlighting Inproceedings references
I am writing a review paper at the moment and need to prune out a few conference citations. To see where I've used them (so I can see which ones are really useful and which can be junked) I'd like to highlight all citations that are to Inproceedings entries. Is this possible in Lyx? Thanks, Joe
Re: Highlighting Inproceedings references
Thanks, that might help. Joe
Highlighting Inproceedings references
I am writing a review paper at the moment and need to prune out a few conference citations. To see where I've used them (so I can see which ones are really useful and which can be junked) I'd like to highlight all citations that are to Inproceedings entries. Is this possible in Lyx? Thanks, Joe
Re: Highlighting Inproceedings references
Thanks, that might help. Joe
Highlighting Inproceedings references
I am writing a review paper at the moment and need to prune out a few conference citations. To see where I've used them (so I can see which ones are really useful and which can be junked) I'd like to highlight all citations that are to Inproceedings entries. Is this possible in Lyx? Thanks, Joe
Re: Highlighting Inproceedings references
Thanks, that might help. Joe
Re: For some reason aspell via lyx doesn't 'understand single quotes'...
It would appear that on Apr 16, Jürgen Spitzmüller did say: Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: Is there a reason why LyX's implementation of aspell chokes on ' characters used as single quotes??? Because they are no single quotes, but apostrophes. In order to insert single quotes, hit Alt-. OK, I guess that makes sense. I guess that the reason aspell ignores apostrophes when used for single quotes in a text file is probably because the Alt- shortcut doesn't work in most text editors, and aspell's author or maintainer decided to use some logic to treat them as single quotes when they were obviously so used? Thank you for telling me how to get around this... I think I'm going to have to re-edit a few files to replace some misused apostrophes... Though being more familiar with the bash command line than with formal writing (rules?) I'm not surprised that I thought they were single quotes. Thanks for setting me straight. -- |^^^ ^^^ Guess I just didn't know. |o o Joseph (the Wordy) Philbrook |^ J(tWdy)P | ___ jtw...@ttlc.net sigh
Re: For some reason aspell via lyx doesn't 'understand single quotes'...
It would appear that on Apr 16, Jürgen Spitzmüller did say: Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: Is there a reason why LyX's implementation of aspell chokes on ' characters used as single quotes??? Because they are no single quotes, but apostrophes. In order to insert single quotes, hit Alt-. OK, I guess that makes sense. I guess that the reason aspell ignores apostrophes when used for single quotes in a text file is probably because the Alt- shortcut doesn't work in most text editors, and aspell's author or maintainer decided to use some logic to treat them as single quotes when they were obviously so used? Thank you for telling me how to get around this... I think I'm going to have to re-edit a few files to replace some misused apostrophes... Though being more familiar with the bash command line than with formal writing (rules?) I'm not surprised that I thought they were single quotes. Thanks for setting me straight. -- |^^^ ^^^ Guess I just didn't know. |o o Joseph (the Wordy) Philbrook |^ J(tWdy)P | ___ jtw...@ttlc.net sigh
Re: For some reason aspell via lyx doesn't 'understand single quotes'...
It would appear that on Apr 16, Jürgen Spitzmüller did say: > Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > > Is there a reason why LyX's implementation of aspell chokes on ' characters > > used as single quotes??? > > Because they are no single quotes, but apostrophes. In order to insert single > quotes, hit Alt-". OK, I guess that makes sense. I guess that the reason aspell ignores "apostrophes" when used for single quotes in a text file is probably because the Alt-" shortcut doesn't work in most text editors, and aspell's author or maintainer decided to use some logic to treat them as single quotes when they were obviously so used? Thank you for telling me how to get around this... I think I'm going to have to re-edit a few files to replace some misused apostrophes... Though being more familiar with the bash command line than with formal writing ("rules"?) I'm not surprised that I thought they were single quotes. Thanks for setting me straight. -- |^^^ ^^^ Guess I just didn't know. |Joseph (the Wordy) Philbrook |^ J(tWdy)P | ___ <jtw...@ttlc.net>
For some reason aspell via lyx doesn't 'understand single quotes'...
Actually I noticed some time ago that using single quotes inside a LyX document made for problems with spell check... For example if I typed this: Bill said, I asked her, and she said, 'No, I don't want to go.' So I went fishing by myself. Into a LyX document and ran the spell check function, It would suggest replacing 'No with No... I just checked, and this still happens with LyX 1.6.5 on Arch Linux. I always thought this was a limitation of aspell. But I recently happened to use a similar construct in the text of an email which I spell checked from vim via my .vimrc key mappings: :map s :w^M:w! $spellfile^M:!aspell -e -c $spellfile^M :map S :w^MG:r $spellfile^Mkd1G (Where of course ^M is actually a single character that simulates hitting enter) And it turns out that aspell itself doesn't seem to consider the ' character to be part of a word unless it's wrapped in letters on both sides such as in the contraction it's... Is there a reason why LyX's implementation of aspell chokes on ' characters used as single quotes??? -- | ~^~ ~^~ | ? ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^J(tWdy)P |\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net
For some reason aspell via lyx doesn't 'understand single quotes'...
Actually I noticed some time ago that using single quotes inside a LyX document made for problems with spell check... For example if I typed this: Bill said, I asked her, and she said, 'No, I don't want to go.' So I went fishing by myself. Into a LyX document and ran the spell check function, It would suggest replacing 'No with No... I just checked, and this still happens with LyX 1.6.5 on Arch Linux. I always thought this was a limitation of aspell. But I recently happened to use a similar construct in the text of an email which I spell checked from vim via my .vimrc key mappings: :map s :w^M:w! $spellfile^M:!aspell -e -c $spellfile^M :map S :w^MG:r $spellfile^Mkd1G (Where of course ^M is actually a single character that simulates hitting enter) And it turns out that aspell itself doesn't seem to consider the ' character to be part of a word unless it's wrapped in letters on both sides such as in the contraction it's... Is there a reason why LyX's implementation of aspell chokes on ' characters used as single quotes??? -- | ~^~ ~^~ | ? ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^J(tWdy)P |\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net
For some reason aspell via lyx doesn't 'understand single quotes'...
Actually I noticed some time ago that using single quotes inside a LyX document made for problems with spell check... For example if I typed this: Bill said, "I asked her, and she said, 'No, I don't want to go.' So I went fishing by myself." Into a LyX document and ran the spell check function, It would suggest replacing "'No" with "No"... I just checked, and this still happens with LyX 1.6.5 on Arch Linux. I always thought this was a limitation of aspell. But I recently happened to use a similar construct in the text of an email which I spell checked from vim via my .vimrc key mappings: :map s :w^M:w! $spellfile^M:!aspell -e -c $spellfile^M :map S :w^MG:r $spellfile^Mkd1G (Where of course "^M" is actually a single character that simulates hitting enter) And it turns out that aspell itself doesn't seem to consider the ' character to be part of a word unless it's wrapped in letters on both sides such as in the contraction "it's"... Is there a reason why LyX's implementation of aspell chokes on ' characters used as single quotes??? -- | ~^~ ~^~ |Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^J(tWdy)P |\___/ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>
Output: Right margin problem for a section* (standard font:typewriter,italic)
If it matters: I use whichever version of LyX is available from the repository of whichever Linux system I'm currently using. At the moment that means: LyX 1.6.5 on Arch Linux Note: I'm NOT an LaTeX wizard, nor a professional writer So if I use an incorrect name for something... Please bear with me. This is a work in progress that I work on when I can. I have doubts that it'll ever get published but just in case, I want to keep the output presentable. I'm using book (more font sizes) with base size set to 14 so that my eyes are capable of reading a printed document. I also have roman set to bookman. Every thing else in document settings are the default values that were originally set by LyX 1.5.x... But there are some ERT boxes inserted here and there... Now the problem: If I understand correctly a leftside page normally gets a larger righthand margin to leave room for binding the pages together. Which is fine with me. But I have a short section* (about a page and a half with an 8.5 x 11 page size and a base size of 14) that I wanted typeset just a little bit differently to set it apart from the other text. I don't consider it verse, and it's certainly not a quote of someone else's words. So I left the environment set to standard but set the font to typewriter italic. At this point I should mention that none of the ERT boxes I've inserted are supposed to change margin settings. However when I view the output with DVI or PDF, the righthand margin of this short section allows some of the lines to get within about an quarter of an inch of the right hand edge of the paper. And that's on the leftside page, there is a line on the rightside page that actually bleeds off the paper... I can compensate for this by redefining the environment as verse where the rightside pages righthand margin stays about the same as that of the leftside page. I get similar, but slightly better results from setting the environment to quotation. Like verse, the righthand margin appears the same for both the leftside and rightside pages. But with quotation it's slightly better because the closest it gets to the righthand edge of the paper is approximately doubled to a half inch or so... But it's still not right. And besides, Like I said, I don't want it formatted as verse. And I'm not quoting anyone... I've extracted the problematic section into a much smaller document that includes the preamble, all applicable ERT boxes and a few dummy sections and chapters to ensure the output formatting of the problem section remains the same, etc... I will attempt to attach the resulting .lyx file to this message. So someone smarter than me could maybe tell me what I'm doing wrong. But I can't remember if attachments make it to this list via gmane's usenet mirror. We shall see...;-7 -- | ~^~ ~^~ | ? ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^J(tWdy)P |\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net#LyX 1.6.5 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/ \lyxformat 345 \begin_document \begin_header \textclass extbook \use_default_options false \language english \inputencoding auto \font_roman bookman \font_sans default \font_typewriter default \font_default_family default \font_sc false \font_osf false \font_sf_scale 100 \font_tt_scale 100 \graphics default \paperfontsize 14 \spacing single \use_hyperref false \papersize default \use_geometry false \use_amsmath 1 \use_esint 0 \cite_engine basic \use_bibtopic false \paperorientation portrait \secnumdepth 2 \tocdepth 2 \paragraph_separation indent \defskip medskip \quotes_language english \papercolumns 1 \papersides 2 \paperpagestyle default \tracking_changes false \output_changes false \author \author \end_header \begin_body \begin_layout Standard \begin_inset ERT status open \begin_layout Plain Layout \backslash frontmatter \end_layout \end_inset \end_layout \begin_layout Title Unspecified \end_layout \begin_layout Standard \begin_inset ERT status open \begin_layout Plain Layout \backslash setcounter{page}{0} \end_layout \end_inset \end_layout \begin_layout Standard \begin_inset Newpage newpage \end_inset \end_layout \begin_layout Author \begin_inset space ~ \end_inset \begin_inset Newline newline \end_inset \begin_inset VSpace vfill \end_inset By Joseph Philbrook \begin_inset Newline newline \end_inset copyright © 2007 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved. \begin_inset Newline newline \end_inset copyright © 2008 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved. \begin_inset Newline newline \end_inset copyright © 2009 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved. \begin_inset Newline newline \end_inset copyright © 2010 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved. \begin_inset Newline newline \end_inset The author claims all copy rights to the original content below. \begin_inset Newline newline \end_inset This is a work in progress... \end_layout \begin_layout Part
Re: Output: Right margin problem for a section* (standard font:typewriter,italic)
It would appear that on Apr 3, Paul A. Rubin did say: Seems to be a quirk of LaTeX specific to typewriter font. Since typewriter font is intended to have fixed spacing, LaTeX can't justify things evenly. There's a fix at http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Comp/comp.text.tex/2005-09/msg4.html that works on your document if you don't mind variable spacing between words. Another possibility is to make that section of text left justified (ragged right) rather than fully justified. Under other circumstance a third option would be to use the hyphenat package to allow hyphenation of typewriter text. Unfortunately, that would require a change to your prose style -- you're not using long enough words in that section. :-) (I tested this -- hyphenation did not cure the problem.) Thank you for the link, and the suggestion on left justification. I'll have to experiment... However what I don't understand why, whether LaTeX can properly justify typewriter font or not, surely such a powerful typesetting system could detect that the line was going to exceed the intended margin, and at least adjust word wrap to move the offending word down to the next line. (of course then the next line would have to be readjusted, then the next ad infinum...) It would still fail true justification, but at least the text would remain inside the margins. And if there is a reason I don't understand, why, LaTeX can't do this, Then perhaps LyX itself {could/should?} in the spirit of letting it's users focus on content, detect the known problem and make the evidently complex coding adjustments necessary to alter the right margin {I gather with LaTeX this is controlled by line length settings, which I don't think a LyX user should need to know how to override in such a way that the override only affects the typewriter font paragraph(s)} However both the preceding paragraphs project my idealistic concept of what LyX/LaTeX should do to keep it's user base concentrating on content, rather than any belief that either idea will ever come into play. So I'm curious, would there maybe be something I could put in an ert box that saves the current line length settings some place that I could restore them from after I then used some more LyX code to simply reduce the line length of the affected portion(s) of a document? One other thought, even if LyX can't be expected to 'automatically' compensate for this LaTeX quirk is it feasible that a line length element could someday be added to LyX's paragraph settings??? It would appear that on Apr 3, Steve Litt did say: On Saturday 03 April 2010 02:48:12 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: I get similar, but slightly better results from setting the environment to quotation. Like verse, the righthand margin appears the same for both the leftside and rightside pages. But with quotation it's slightly better because the closest it gets to the righthand edge of the paper is approximately doubled to a half inch or so... But it's still not right. And besides, Like I said, I don't want it formatted as verse. And I'm not quoting anyone... I'd like to frame the preceding paragraph and send it to everyone I know. In a world where most people jam in codes everywhere, you actually try to make your styles represent the intent of the writing. Well it's not that I'm against inserting codes whenever I need a down and dirty fix for something. But rather it's a combination of not having taken a course in typesetting with LaTeX, having difficulty remembering the things I have learned (I blame that on CRS), and last but certainly not least, the fact that I'm sold on the idea of letting my document processor (LyX) free me from micro-managing the details of my document(s) appearance so that I can concentrate on the content. That last point was why I chose to try to learn to use LyX about 6 years ago, even though I already realized that for me the learning curve would be painfully slow. But if you think it would help encourage style based solutions, please feel free to copy, modify, and publish any or all of my post with the sole exception of the copyrighted text embedded in the example attachment. - - - - - - - - - snip/glue/snip - - - - - - - - - - What you want is the MEANING of Joe's special paragraph but a LOOK similar to the standard quotation environment. So do something like this in a layout file: = Preamble \newenvironment{joesspecialparagraphL} { \begin{quotation} % Add any tweaks you want here }{ % Add any ending tweaks you want here \end{quotation} } EndPreamble Style JoesSpecialParagraph CopyStyle Quotation LatexType Environment LatexName joesspecialparagraphL End = The part where I discuss tweaks is where you modify the look of the quotation environment to match your desired look. So you'd put
Output: Right margin problem for a section* (standard font:typewriter,italic)
If it matters: I use whichever version of LyX is available from the repository of whichever Linux system I'm currently using. At the moment that means: LyX 1.6.5 on Arch Linux Note: I'm NOT an LaTeX wizard, nor a professional writer So if I use an incorrect name for something... Please bear with me. This is a work in progress that I work on when I can. I have doubts that it'll ever get published but just in case, I want to keep the output presentable. I'm using book (more font sizes) with base size set to 14 so that my eyes are capable of reading a printed document. I also have roman set to bookman. Every thing else in document settings are the default values that were originally set by LyX 1.5.x... But there are some ERT boxes inserted here and there... Now the problem: If I understand correctly a leftside page normally gets a larger righthand margin to leave room for binding the pages together. Which is fine with me. But I have a short section* (about a page and a half with an 8.5 x 11 page size and a base size of 14) that I wanted typeset just a little bit differently to set it apart from the other text. I don't consider it verse, and it's certainly not a quote of someone else's words. So I left the environment set to standard but set the font to typewriter italic. At this point I should mention that none of the ERT boxes I've inserted are supposed to change margin settings. However when I view the output with DVI or PDF, the righthand margin of this short section allows some of the lines to get within about an quarter of an inch of the right hand edge of the paper. And that's on the leftside page, there is a line on the rightside page that actually bleeds off the paper... I can compensate for this by redefining the environment as verse where the rightside pages righthand margin stays about the same as that of the leftside page. I get similar, but slightly better results from setting the environment to quotation. Like verse, the righthand margin appears the same for both the leftside and rightside pages. But with quotation it's slightly better because the closest it gets to the righthand edge of the paper is approximately doubled to a half inch or so... But it's still not right. And besides, Like I said, I don't want it formatted as verse. And I'm not quoting anyone... I've extracted the problematic section into a much smaller document that includes the preamble, all applicable ERT boxes and a few dummy sections and chapters to ensure the output formatting of the problem section remains the same, etc... I will attempt to attach the resulting .lyx file to this message. So someone smarter than me could maybe tell me what I'm doing wrong. But I can't remember if attachments make it to this list via gmane's usenet mirror. We shall see...;-7 -- | ~^~ ~^~ | ? ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^J(tWdy)P |\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net#LyX 1.6.5 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/ \lyxformat 345 \begin_document \begin_header \textclass extbook \use_default_options false \language english \inputencoding auto \font_roman bookman \font_sans default \font_typewriter default \font_default_family default \font_sc false \font_osf false \font_sf_scale 100 \font_tt_scale 100 \graphics default \paperfontsize 14 \spacing single \use_hyperref false \papersize default \use_geometry false \use_amsmath 1 \use_esint 0 \cite_engine basic \use_bibtopic false \paperorientation portrait \secnumdepth 2 \tocdepth 2 \paragraph_separation indent \defskip medskip \quotes_language english \papercolumns 1 \papersides 2 \paperpagestyle default \tracking_changes false \output_changes false \author \author \end_header \begin_body \begin_layout Standard \begin_inset ERT status open \begin_layout Plain Layout \backslash frontmatter \end_layout \end_inset \end_layout \begin_layout Title Unspecified \end_layout \begin_layout Standard \begin_inset ERT status open \begin_layout Plain Layout \backslash setcounter{page}{0} \end_layout \end_inset \end_layout \begin_layout Standard \begin_inset Newpage newpage \end_inset \end_layout \begin_layout Author \begin_inset space ~ \end_inset \begin_inset Newline newline \end_inset \begin_inset VSpace vfill \end_inset By Joseph Philbrook \begin_inset Newline newline \end_inset copyright © 2007 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved. \begin_inset Newline newline \end_inset copyright © 2008 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved. \begin_inset Newline newline \end_inset copyright © 2009 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved. \begin_inset Newline newline \end_inset copyright © 2010 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved. \begin_inset Newline newline \end_inset The author claims all copy rights to the original content below. \begin_inset Newline newline \end_inset This is a work in progress... \end_layout \begin_layout Part
Re: Output: Right margin problem for a section* (standard font:typewriter,italic)
It would appear that on Apr 3, Paul A. Rubin did say: Seems to be a quirk of LaTeX specific to typewriter font. Since typewriter font is intended to have fixed spacing, LaTeX can't justify things evenly. There's a fix at http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Comp/comp.text.tex/2005-09/msg4.html that works on your document if you don't mind variable spacing between words. Another possibility is to make that section of text left justified (ragged right) rather than fully justified. Under other circumstance a third option would be to use the hyphenat package to allow hyphenation of typewriter text. Unfortunately, that would require a change to your prose style -- you're not using long enough words in that section. :-) (I tested this -- hyphenation did not cure the problem.) Thank you for the link, and the suggestion on left justification. I'll have to experiment... However what I don't understand why, whether LaTeX can properly justify typewriter font or not, surely such a powerful typesetting system could detect that the line was going to exceed the intended margin, and at least adjust word wrap to move the offending word down to the next line. (of course then the next line would have to be readjusted, then the next ad infinum...) It would still fail true justification, but at least the text would remain inside the margins. And if there is a reason I don't understand, why, LaTeX can't do this, Then perhaps LyX itself {could/should?} in the spirit of letting it's users focus on content, detect the known problem and make the evidently complex coding adjustments necessary to alter the right margin {I gather with LaTeX this is controlled by line length settings, which I don't think a LyX user should need to know how to override in such a way that the override only affects the typewriter font paragraph(s)} However both the preceding paragraphs project my idealistic concept of what LyX/LaTeX should do to keep it's user base concentrating on content, rather than any belief that either idea will ever come into play. So I'm curious, would there maybe be something I could put in an ert box that saves the current line length settings some place that I could restore them from after I then used some more LyX code to simply reduce the line length of the affected portion(s) of a document? One other thought, even if LyX can't be expected to 'automatically' compensate for this LaTeX quirk is it feasible that a line length element could someday be added to LyX's paragraph settings??? It would appear that on Apr 3, Steve Litt did say: On Saturday 03 April 2010 02:48:12 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: I get similar, but slightly better results from setting the environment to quotation. Like verse, the righthand margin appears the same for both the leftside and rightside pages. But with quotation it's slightly better because the closest it gets to the righthand edge of the paper is approximately doubled to a half inch or so... But it's still not right. And besides, Like I said, I don't want it formatted as verse. And I'm not quoting anyone... I'd like to frame the preceding paragraph and send it to everyone I know. In a world where most people jam in codes everywhere, you actually try to make your styles represent the intent of the writing. Well it's not that I'm against inserting codes whenever I need a down and dirty fix for something. But rather it's a combination of not having taken a course in typesetting with LaTeX, having difficulty remembering the things I have learned (I blame that on CRS), and last but certainly not least, the fact that I'm sold on the idea of letting my document processor (LyX) free me from micro-managing the details of my document(s) appearance so that I can concentrate on the content. That last point was why I chose to try to learn to use LyX about 6 years ago, even though I already realized that for me the learning curve would be painfully slow. But if you think it would help encourage style based solutions, please feel free to copy, modify, and publish any or all of my post with the sole exception of the copyrighted text embedded in the example attachment. - - - - - - - - - snip/glue/snip - - - - - - - - - - What you want is the MEANING of Joe's special paragraph but a LOOK similar to the standard quotation environment. So do something like this in a layout file: = Preamble \newenvironment{joesspecialparagraphL} { \begin{quotation} % Add any tweaks you want here }{ % Add any ending tweaks you want here \end{quotation} } EndPreamble Style JoesSpecialParagraph CopyStyle Quotation LatexType Environment LatexName joesspecialparagraphL End = The part where I discuss tweaks is where you modify the look of the quotation environment to match your desired look. So you'd put
Output: Right margin problem for a section* (standard font:typewriter,italic)
If it matters: I use whichever version of LyX is available from the repository of whichever Linux system I'm currently using. At the moment that means: LyX 1.6.5 on Arch Linux Note: I'm NOT an LaTeX wizard, nor a professional writer So if I use an incorrect name for something... Please bear with me. This is a work in progress that I work on when I can. I have doubts that it'll ever get "published" but just in case, I want to keep the output presentable. I'm using book (more font sizes) with base size set to 14 so that my eyes are capable of reading a printed document. I also have roman set to bookman. Every thing else in document settings are the default values that were originally set by LyX 1.5.x... But there are some ERT boxes inserted here and there... Now the problem: If I understand correctly a "leftside page" normally gets a larger righthand margin to leave room for binding the pages together. Which is fine with me. But I have a short section* (about a page and a half with an 8.5" x 11" page size and a base size of 14) that I wanted typeset just a little bit differently to set it apart from the other text. I don't consider it verse, and it's certainly not a quote of someone else's words. So I left the environment set to standard but set the font to typewriter italic. At this point I should mention that none of the ERT boxes I've inserted are supposed to change margin settings. However when I view the output with DVI or PDF, the righthand margin of this short section allows some of the lines to get within about an quarter of an inch of the right hand edge of the "paper". And that's on the leftside page, there is a line on the rightside page that actually bleeds off the paper... I can compensate for this by redefining the environment as verse where the rightside pages righthand margin stays about the same as that of the leftside page. I get similar, but slightly better results from setting the environment to quotation. Like verse, the righthand margin appears the same for both the leftside and rightside pages. But with quotation it's slightly better because the closest it gets to the righthand edge of the "paper" is approximately doubled to a half inch or so... But it's still not right. And besides, Like I said, I don't want it formatted as verse. And I'm not quoting anyone... I've extracted the problematic section into a much smaller document that includes the preamble, all applicable ERT boxes and a few dummy sections and chapters to ensure the output formatting of the problem section remains the same, etc... I will attempt to attach the resulting .lyx file to this message. So someone smarter than me could maybe tell me what I'm doing wrong. But I can't remember if attachments make it to this list via gmane's usenet mirror. We shall see...;-7 -- | ~^~ ~^~ |Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^J(tWdy)P |\___/ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>#LyX 1.6.5 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/ \lyxformat 345 \begin_document \begin_header \textclass extbook \use_default_options false \language english \inputencoding auto \font_roman bookman \font_sans default \font_typewriter default \font_default_family default \font_sc false \font_osf false \font_sf_scale 100 \font_tt_scale 100 \graphics default \paperfontsize 14 \spacing single \use_hyperref false \papersize default \use_geometry false \use_amsmath 1 \use_esint 0 \cite_engine basic \use_bibtopic false \paperorientation portrait \secnumdepth 2 \tocdepth 2 \paragraph_separation indent \defskip medskip \quotes_language english \papercolumns 1 \papersides 2 \paperpagestyle default \tracking_changes false \output_changes false \author "" \author "" \end_header \begin_body \begin_layout Standard \begin_inset ERT status open \begin_layout Plain Layout \backslash frontmatter \end_layout \end_inset \end_layout \begin_layout Title Unspecified \end_layout \begin_layout Standard \begin_inset ERT status open \begin_layout Plain Layout \backslash setcounter{page}{0} \end_layout \end_inset \end_layout \begin_layout Standard \begin_inset Newpage newpage \end_inset \end_layout \begin_layout Author \begin_inset space ~ \end_inset \begin_inset Newline newline \end_inset \begin_inset VSpace vfill \end_inset By Joseph Philbrook \begin_inset Newline newline \end_inset copyright © 2007 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved. \begin_inset Newline newline \end_inset copyright © 2008 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved. \begin_inset Newline newline \end_inset copyright © 2009 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved. \begin_inset Newline newline \end_inset copyright © 2010 Joseph A Philbrook III all rights reserved. \begin_inset Newline newline \end_inset The author claims all copy rights to the original content below. \b
Re: Output: Right margin problem for a section* (standard font:typewriter,italic)
It would appear that on Apr 3, Paul A. Rubin did say: > Seems to be a "quirk" of LaTeX specific to typewriter font. Since typewriter > font is intended to have fixed spacing, LaTeX can't justify things evenly. > There's a fix at > http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Comp/comp.text.tex/2005-09/msg4.html > that works on your document if you don't mind variable spacing between words. > Another possibility is to make that section of text left justified (ragged > right) rather than fully justified. Under other circumstance a third option > would be to use the hyphenat package to allow hyphenation of typewriter text. > Unfortunately, that would require a change to your prose style -- you're not > using long enough words in that section. :-) (I tested this -- hyphenation > did not cure the problem.) Thank you for the link, and the suggestion on left justification. I'll have to experiment... However what I don't understand why, whether LaTeX can properly justify typewriter font or not, surely such a powerful typesetting system could detect that the line was going to exceed the intended margin, and at least adjust "word wrap" to move the offending word down to the next line. (of course then the next line would have to be readjusted, then the next ad infinum...) It would still fail true justification, but at least the text would remain inside the margins. And if there is a reason I don't understand, why, LaTeX can't do this, Then perhaps LyX itself {could/should?} in the spirit of letting it's users focus on content, detect the known problem and make the evidently complex coding adjustments necessary to alter the right margin {I gather with LaTeX this is controlled by line length settings, which I don't think a LyX user should need to know how to override in such a way that the override only affects the typewriter font paragraph(s)} However both the preceding paragraphs project my idealistic concept of what LyX/LaTeX should do to keep it's user base concentrating on content, rather than any belief that either idea will ever come into play. So I'm curious, would there maybe be something I could put in an ert box that saves the current line length settings some place that I could restore them from after I then used some more LyX code to simply reduce the line length of the affected portion(s) of a document? One other thought, even if LyX can't be expected to 'automatically' compensate for this LaTeX "quirk" is it feasible that a line length element could someday be added to LyX's paragraph settings??? It would appear that on Apr 3, Steve Litt did say: > > On Saturday 03 April 2010 02:48:12 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > > > I get similar, but slightly better results from setting the environment to > > quotation. Like verse, the righthand margin appears the same for both the > > leftside and rightside pages. But with quotation it's slightly better > > because the closest it gets to the righthand edge of the "paper" is > > approximately doubled to a half inch or so... But it's still not right. > > And besides, Like I said, I don't want it formatted as verse. And I'm not > > quoting anyone... > > I'd like to frame the preceding paragraph and send it to everyone I know. In > a > world where most people jam in codes everywhere, you actually try to make > your > styles represent the intent of the writing. Well it's not that I'm against inserting codes whenever I need a down and dirty fix for something. But rather it's a combination of not having taken a course in typesetting with LaTeX, having difficulty remembering the things I have learned (I blame that on CRS), and last but certainly not least, the fact that I'm sold on the idea of letting my document processor (LyX) free me from micro-managing the details of my document(s) appearance so that I can concentrate on the content. That last point was why I chose to try to learn to use LyX about 6 years ago, even though I already realized that for me the learning curve would be painfully slow. But if you think it would help encourage style based solutions, please feel free to copy, modify, and publish any or all of my post with the sole exception of the copyrighted text embedded in the example attachment. - - - - - - - - -< snip/glue/snip >- - - - - - - - - - > What you want is the MEANING of "Joe's special paragraph" but a LOOK similar > to the standard quotation environment. So do something like this in a layout > file: > > = > Preamble > \newenvironment{joesspecialparagraphL} > { > \begin{quotation} > % Add any tweaks you want here > }{ > % Add any ending tweaks you want here > \end{quotation} > } > EndPreamble > > > Style JoesSpecialParagraph > CopyStyle Quot
Re: a few chapter*s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???
It would appear that on Feb 23, Helge Hafting did say: Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: The sequence is the TOC followed by a tex code box containing: \mainmatter \pagenumbering{roman} Then a few short chapter*(s) That are not part of the numbered chapters. And it is not desired for them to be labeled as contents in the output (pdf) Then there is another tex code box containing: \pagenumbering{arabic} And finally Chapter 1... How can I stop output from inserting the word contents into the the page header of the chapter*{s} without relocating them to before the TOC, nor after chapter 1??? This works for document class book: Immediately after the TOC (before your chapter*), an ERT box with \pagestyle{plain} This gets rid of the running header you didn't want. You will still get contents on TOC pages, if your TOC spans more than one page. The first normal text in the first chapter should start with an ERT box with: \pagestyle{headings} in order to reinstate the running headers that you probably want for your numbered chapters. The page styles: empty - nothing, not even a page number plain - a page number, nothing more headings - page number and running header (with the chapter name, usually) myheadings- user defined by using more ERT (\markright or \markboth whenever you want the running headers to change) fancy - Even more user defined. Maybe you want a logo in the heading, a colored page number, anything goes but more ERT is needed. Note that the \pagestyle command is only necessary if you want running headers in the normal chapters but not elsewhere. If you don't want any running headers at all, just turn them off in document settings, page style set to plain. No need for ERT then. To style a single page differently: \thispagestyle{plain} in an ERT box anywhere on that page. Like I said previously Helge, the insertion of \pagestyle{plain} \pagestyle{headings} in the places you described worked for what I wanted for the current project. But I spent some time trying to figure out how to use \pagestyle{myheadings} with somewhat less success. I found that By using \pagestyle{myheadings} instead of \pagestyle{plain} I could then get SOME control over the headers of my chapter* with \markboth{header text}{other header text} One problem was that it wouldn't print on the 1st page of a chapter* But that was only a minor aggravation. The real problem was that the \pagestyle{headings} I'd inserted just before the first normal text of the first normal chapter, no longer caused it to resume the default headers that I'd normally get for the chapters. But kept on using the page header(s) I'd set with \markboth{header text}{other header text} What would I have to do to get the normal headers to resume after setting up a chapter* to use \pagestyle{myheadings} ??? And if you could be so kind as to point me at a good {example rich} how-to that covers doing something similar to a document class book with \pagestyle{fancy} I'd be grateful. Cause I failed to get that working at all... sigh Sorry to be such a pest. -- | ~^~ ~^~ | ? ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^J(tWdy)P |\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net
Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx
It would appear that on Mar 22, Julio Rojas did say: The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition. Don't know much about that... I just use LyX, I don't really understand it very well, so I'm not grasping the advantages of this feature ? The second one I miss, mostly because I'm not a native English speaker, is online spell checking, but that is coming in 2.0. Oh Gawd no! That is if I understand you to mean that it will check my spelling as I type, and interrupt my creative flow to inform me that it thinks I misspelled something. {or even worse silently replacing misspelled or unknown words with what it thinks is the best matching replacement word} No, I much prefer it wait for me to tell it I'm ready for such a distraction. {by pressing F7} So I sincerely hope and pray that if that's what you mean by online spellchecking that they make it easy to totally disable it... What I'd find useful might be that it kept track of which (chapters, parts, sections, etc... I'd modified during a sessioni, and if the last modification wasn't a spellcheck operation, then inform me with a dialog box on output, manual file save, file close, or program quit, that there are modified (sections etc...) that have not been spell checked, And would I like to spell check {just those modified sections, chapters etc...) first. I note that any of the above (with the possible exception of the manual save) would tend to indicate that the creative flow of content has already been interrupted when I decided I wanted to see what the finished product looked like or chose to close the file or quit LyX... This would of course imply that there would be a spellcheck option to spell check all modified sections, chapters etc... on command. Probably this would be a difficult thing to implement. So I sure don't expect to see it in LyX or even something like OO.o, any time soon. But, it'd be much more welcome than shudder checking my spelling as I type... Again, I have to give my most sincere thanks to all developers. Lyx is a wonderful tool... On that I think we agree! ;-) ...even if my WinEdt addict friends at the lab keep laughing at me for using it. :D In the long run, I think the joke's on them... -- | --- ___ | 0 - Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P |~\___/~ jtw...@ttlc.net
Re: a few chapter*s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???
It would appear that on Feb 23, Helge Hafting did say: Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: The sequence is the TOC followed by a tex code box containing: \mainmatter \pagenumbering{roman} Then a few short chapter*(s) That are not part of the numbered chapters. And it is not desired for them to be labeled as contents in the output (pdf) Then there is another tex code box containing: \pagenumbering{arabic} And finally Chapter 1... How can I stop output from inserting the word contents into the the page header of the chapter*{s} without relocating them to before the TOC, nor after chapter 1??? This works for document class book: Immediately after the TOC (before your chapter*), an ERT box with \pagestyle{plain} This gets rid of the running header you didn't want. You will still get contents on TOC pages, if your TOC spans more than one page. The first normal text in the first chapter should start with an ERT box with: \pagestyle{headings} in order to reinstate the running headers that you probably want for your numbered chapters. The page styles: empty - nothing, not even a page number plain - a page number, nothing more headings - page number and running header (with the chapter name, usually) myheadings- user defined by using more ERT (\markright or \markboth whenever you want the running headers to change) fancy - Even more user defined. Maybe you want a logo in the heading, a colored page number, anything goes but more ERT is needed. Note that the \pagestyle command is only necessary if you want running headers in the normal chapters but not elsewhere. If you don't want any running headers at all, just turn them off in document settings, page style set to plain. No need for ERT then. To style a single page differently: \thispagestyle{plain} in an ERT box anywhere on that page. Like I said previously Helge, the insertion of \pagestyle{plain} \pagestyle{headings} in the places you described worked for what I wanted for the current project. But I spent some time trying to figure out how to use \pagestyle{myheadings} with somewhat less success. I found that By using \pagestyle{myheadings} instead of \pagestyle{plain} I could then get SOME control over the headers of my chapter* with \markboth{header text}{other header text} One problem was that it wouldn't print on the 1st page of a chapter* But that was only a minor aggravation. The real problem was that the \pagestyle{headings} I'd inserted just before the first normal text of the first normal chapter, no longer caused it to resume the default headers that I'd normally get for the chapters. But kept on using the page header(s) I'd set with \markboth{header text}{other header text} What would I have to do to get the normal headers to resume after setting up a chapter* to use \pagestyle{myheadings} ??? And if you could be so kind as to point me at a good {example rich} how-to that covers doing something similar to a document class book with \pagestyle{fancy} I'd be grateful. Cause I failed to get that working at all... sigh Sorry to be such a pest. -- | ~^~ ~^~ | ? ? Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^J(tWdy)P |\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net
Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx
It would appear that on Mar 22, Julio Rojas did say: The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition. Don't know much about that... I just use LyX, I don't really understand it very well, so I'm not grasping the advantages of this feature ? The second one I miss, mostly because I'm not a native English speaker, is online spell checking, but that is coming in 2.0. Oh Gawd no! That is if I understand you to mean that it will check my spelling as I type, and interrupt my creative flow to inform me that it thinks I misspelled something. {or even worse silently replacing misspelled or unknown words with what it thinks is the best matching replacement word} No, I much prefer it wait for me to tell it I'm ready for such a distraction. {by pressing F7} So I sincerely hope and pray that if that's what you mean by online spellchecking that they make it easy to totally disable it... What I'd find useful might be that it kept track of which (chapters, parts, sections, etc... I'd modified during a sessioni, and if the last modification wasn't a spellcheck operation, then inform me with a dialog box on output, manual file save, file close, or program quit, that there are modified (sections etc...) that have not been spell checked, And would I like to spell check {just those modified sections, chapters etc...) first. I note that any of the above (with the possible exception of the manual save) would tend to indicate that the creative flow of content has already been interrupted when I decided I wanted to see what the finished product looked like or chose to close the file or quit LyX... This would of course imply that there would be a spellcheck option to spell check all modified sections, chapters etc... on command. Probably this would be a difficult thing to implement. So I sure don't expect to see it in LyX or even something like OO.o, any time soon. But, it'd be much more welcome than shudder checking my spelling as I type... Again, I have to give my most sincere thanks to all developers. Lyx is a wonderful tool... On that I think we agree! ;-) ...even if my WinEdt addict friends at the lab keep laughing at me for using it. :D In the long run, I think the joke's on them... -- | --- ___ | 0 - Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P |~\___/~ jtw...@ttlc.net
Re: a few "chapter*"s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???
It would appear that on Feb 23, Helge Hafting did say: > Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > > The sequence is the TOC followed by a tex code box containing: > > \mainmatter > > \pagenumbering{roman} > > > > Then a few short chapter*(s) That are not part of the numbered chapters. > > And it is not desired for them to be labeled as "contents" in the output > > (pdf) > > > > Then there is another tex code box containing: > > \pagenumbering{arabic} > > > > And finally Chapter 1... > > > > How can I stop "output" from inserting the word "contents" into the > > the page header of the "chapter*{s} without relocating them to > > before the TOC, nor after chapter 1??? > > This works for document class "book": > > Immediately after the TOC (before your chapter*), an ERT box with > \pagestyle{plain} > This gets rid of the running header you didn't want. You will still > get "contents" on TOC pages, if your TOC spans more than one page. > > The first normal text in the first chapter should start with an ERT box with: > \pagestyle{headings} > in order to reinstate the running headers that you probably want for your > numbered chapters. > > The page styles: > empty - nothing, not even a page number > plain - a page number, nothing more > headings - page number and running header (with the chapter name, > usually) > myheadings- user defined by using more ERT (\markright or \markboth > whenever you want the running headers to change) > fancy - Even more user defined. Maybe you want a logo in the > heading, a colored page number, anything goes but > more ERT is needed. > > Note that the \pagestyle command is only necessary if you want running > headers in the normal chapters but not elsewhere. If you don't want > any running headers at all, just turn them off in document settings, > page style set to "plain". No need for ERT then. > > To style a single page differently: \thispagestyle{plain} in an ERT box > anywhere on that page. Like I said previously Helge, the insertion of "\pagestyle{plain}" & "\pagestyle{headings}" in the places you described worked for what I wanted for the current project. But I spent some time trying to figure out how to use \pagestyle{myheadings} with somewhat less success. I found that By using \pagestyle{myheadings} instead of \pagestyle{plain} I could then get "SOME" control over the headers of my "chapter*" with \markboth{header text}{other header text} One problem was that it wouldn't print on the 1st page of a chapter* But that was only a minor aggravation. The real problem was that the "\pagestyle{headings}" I'd inserted just before the first normal text of the first normal chapter, no longer caused it to resume the default headers that I'd normally get for the chapters. But kept on using the page header(s) I'd set with "\markboth{header text}{other header text}" What would I have to do to get the normal headers to resume after setting up a chapter* to use "\pagestyle{myheadings}" ??? And if you could be so kind as to point me at a good {example rich} how-to that covers doing something similar to a "document class book" with \pagestyle{fancy} I'd be grateful. Cause I failed to get that working at all... Sorry to be such a pest. -- | ~^~ ~^~ |Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^J(tWdy)P |\___/ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>
Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx
It would appear that on Mar 22, Julio Rojas did say: > The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy > would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition. Don't know much about that... I just use LyX, I don't really understand it very well, so I'm not grasping the advantages of this "feature" ? > The second one I miss, mostly because I'm not a native English speaker, > is online spell checking, but that is coming in 2.0. Oh Gawd no! That is if I understand you to mean that it will check my spelling as I type, and interrupt my creative flow to inform me that it thinks I misspelled something. {or even worse silently replacing misspelled or unknown words with what it thinks is the best matching replacement word} No, I much prefer it wait for me to tell it I'm ready for such a distraction. {by pressing F7} So I sincerely hope and pray that if that's what you mean by online spellchecking that they make it easy to totally disable it... What I'd find useful might be that it kept track of which (chapters, parts, sections, etc... I'd modified during a sessioni, and if the last modification wasn't a spellcheck operation, then inform me with a dialog box on output, manual file save, file close, or program quit, that there are modified (sections etc...) that have not been spell checked, And would I like to spell check {just those modified sections, chapters etc...) first. I note that any of the above (with the possible exception of the manual save) would tend to indicate that the "creative flow" of content has already been interrupted when I decided I wanted to see what the finished product looked like or chose to close the file or quit LyX... This would of course imply that there would be a spellcheck option to spell check all "modified" sections, chapters etc... on command. Probably this would be a difficult thing to implement. So I sure don't expect to see it in LyX or even something like OO.o, any time soon. But, it'd be much more welcome than checking my spelling as I type... > Again, I have to give my most sincere thanks to all developers. Lyx is > a wonderful tool... On that I think we agree! ;-) > ...even if my WinEdt addict friends at the lab keep laughing at me for > using it. :D In the long run, I think the joke's on them... -- | --- ___ | <0> <-> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P |~\___/~ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>
Re: a few chapter*s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???
It would appear that on Feb 23, Helge Hafting did say: This works for document class book: Immediately after the TOC (before your chapter*), an ERT box with \pagestyle{plain} This gets rid of the running header you didn't want. You will still get contents on TOC pages, if your TOC spans more than one page. The first normal text in the first chapter should start with an ERT box with: \pagestyle{headings} in order to reinstate the running headers that you probably want for your numbered chapters. -snipped. . . .. . . .. .stuff Thanks Helge, that was even better than my old notes. I'm betting that most of the details I'd need if'n I chose to get fancy with those headings could be found by googleing (or since I don't like google tracking me scroogleing) some of the keywords in your reply. That would likely lead to LaTeX solutions which for me would simply be wrapped in ERT boxes... But as it is, You already gave me the exact solution I wanted for the current project. Thanks! -- | ~^~ ~^~ | * * Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ jtw...@ttlc.net
Re: a few chapter*s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???
It would appear that on Feb 23, Helge Hafting did say: This works for document class book: Immediately after the TOC (before your chapter*), an ERT box with \pagestyle{plain} This gets rid of the running header you didn't want. You will still get contents on TOC pages, if your TOC spans more than one page. The first normal text in the first chapter should start with an ERT box with: \pagestyle{headings} in order to reinstate the running headers that you probably want for your numbered chapters. -snipped. . . .. . . .. .stuff Thanks Helge, that was even better than my old notes. I'm betting that most of the details I'd need if'n I chose to get fancy with those headings could be found by googleing (or since I don't like google tracking me scroogleing) some of the keywords in your reply. That would likely lead to LaTeX solutions which for me would simply be wrapped in ERT boxes... But as it is, You already gave me the exact solution I wanted for the current project. Thanks! -- | ~^~ ~^~ | * * Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ jtw...@ttlc.net
Re: a few "chapter*"s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???
It would appear that on Feb 23, Helge Hafting did say: > This works for document class "book": > > Immediately after the TOC (before your chapter*), an ERT box with > \pagestyle{plain} > This gets rid of the running header you didn't want. You will still > get "contents" on TOC pages, if your TOC spans more than one page. > > The first normal text in the first chapter should start with an ERT box with: > \pagestyle{headings} > in order to reinstate the running headers that you probably want for your > numbered chapters. -snipped. . . .. . . .. .stuff Thanks Helge, that was even better than my old notes. I'm betting that most of the details I'd need if'n I chose to get "fancy" with those headings could be found by googleing (or since I don't like google tracking me scroogleing) some of the keywords in your reply. That would likely lead to LaTeX solutions which for me would simply be wrapped in ERT boxes... But as it is, You already gave me the exact solution I wanted for the current project. Thanks! -- | ~^~ ~^~ | <*> <*> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>
Re: a few chapter*s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???
It would appear that on Feb 18, Marcelo Acuña did say: I believe that the unique form to avoid the bug is to redefine the header of the page by means of an ERT after the TOC. Sounds likely. Now all I gotta do is find my notes on custom headers... Not today though. My brain is kaput... Thanks! -- | ~^~ ~^~ | * * Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ jtw...@ttlc.net
Re: a few chapter*s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???
It would appear that on Feb 18, Marcelo Acuña did say: I believe that the unique form to avoid the bug is to redefine the header of the page by means of an ERT after the TOC. Sounds likely. Now all I gotta do is find my notes on custom headers... Not today though. My brain is kaput... Thanks! -- | ~^~ ~^~ | * * Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ jtw...@ttlc.net
Re: a few "chapter*"s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???
It would appear that on Feb 18, Marcelo Acuña did say: > I believe that the unique form to avoid the bug is to redefine the > header of the page by means of an ERT after the TOC. Sounds likely. Now all I gotta do is find my notes on custom headers... Not today though. My brain is kaput... Thanks! -- | ~^~ ~^~ | <*> <*> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>
a few chapter*s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???
The sequence is the TOC followed by a tex code box containing: \mainmatter \pagenumbering{roman} Then a few short chapter*(s) That are not part of the numbered chapters. And it is not desired for them to be labeled as contents in the output (pdf) Then there is another tex code box containing: \pagenumbering{arabic} And finally Chapter 1... How can I stop output from inserting the word contents into the the page header of the chapter*{s} without relocating them to before the TOC, nor after chapter 1??? If it matters: I use whichever version of lyx is available from the repository of whichever linux system I'm currently using. At the moment that includes: lyx 1.6.2 on Kubuntu 9.4 (Jaunty) lyx 1.6.3 on Sabayon Linux 4.2 lyx 1.5.5 on elive 1.9.51 (lenny)
a few chapter*s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???
The sequence is the TOC followed by a tex code box containing: \mainmatter \pagenumbering{roman} Then a few short chapter*(s) That are not part of the numbered chapters. And it is not desired for them to be labeled as contents in the output (pdf) Then there is another tex code box containing: \pagenumbering{arabic} And finally Chapter 1... How can I stop output from inserting the word contents into the the page header of the chapter*{s} without relocating them to before the TOC, nor after chapter 1??? If it matters: I use whichever version of lyx is available from the repository of whichever linux system I'm currently using. At the moment that includes: lyx 1.6.2 on Kubuntu 9.4 (Jaunty) lyx 1.6.3 on Sabayon Linux 4.2 lyx 1.5.5 on elive 1.9.51 (lenny)
a few "chapter*"s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???
The sequence is the TOC followed by a tex code box containing: \mainmatter \pagenumbering{roman} Then a few short chapter*(s) That are not part of the numbered chapters. And it is not desired for them to be labeled as "contents" in the output (pdf) Then there is another tex code box containing: \pagenumbering{arabic} And finally Chapter 1... How can I stop "output" from inserting the word "contents" into the the page header of the "chapter*{s} without relocating them to before the TOC, nor after chapter 1??? If it matters: I use whichever version of lyx is available from the repository of whichever linux system I'm currently using. At the moment that includes: lyx 1.6.2 on Kubuntu 9.4 (Jaunty) lyx 1.6.3 on Sabayon Linux 4.2 lyx 1.5.5 on elive 1.9.51 (lenny)
Re: I surely do wish I could use aspell directly on a *.lyx file...
It would appear that on Jan 15, Helge Hafting did say: Very good explanation - could you file in the bug tracker, where the developers will find it? URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome It would appear that on Jan 16, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook did say: OK! Just did that. SNIP The Ticket number is #6460... And I gotta say I've never seen such fast results. It'll take a while before the fix trickles down to the linux distro supplied versions I use, But just knowing it's coming gives me a warm fuzzy feeling... By the way. I'm new to this BugTracker, so I don't know. Since the fix that's been described to me as having been done (upstream of course) is exactly what I asked for... Am I expected to do anything to mark this as resolved??? (I'm still not used to wiki methods) Or do the developers expect to do that themselves? -- | --- ___ | 0 - Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P |~\___/~ jtw...@ttlc.net
Re: I surely do wish I could use aspell directly on a *.lyx file...
It would appear that on Jan 15, Helge Hafting did say: Very good explanation - could you file in the bug tracker, where the developers will find it? URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome It would appear that on Jan 16, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook did say: OK! Just did that. SNIP The Ticket number is #6460... And I gotta say I've never seen such fast results. It'll take a while before the fix trickles down to the linux distro supplied versions I use, But just knowing it's coming gives me a warm fuzzy feeling... By the way. I'm new to this BugTracker, so I don't know. Since the fix that's been described to me as having been done (upstream of course) is exactly what I asked for... Am I expected to do anything to mark this as resolved??? (I'm still not used to wiki methods) Or do the developers expect to do that themselves? -- | --- ___ | 0 - Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P |~\___/~ jtw...@ttlc.net
Re: I surely do wish I could use aspell directly on a *.lyx file...
It would appear that on Jan 15, Helge Hafting did say: > Very good explanation - could you file in the bug tracker, where the > developers will find it? URL: > http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome It would appear that on Jan 16, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook did say: > OK! Just did that. <> The Ticket number is #6460... And I gotta say I've never seen such fast results. It'll take a while before the fix trickles down to the linux distro supplied versions I use, But just knowing it's coming gives me a warm fuzzy feeling... By the way. I'm new to this BugTracker, so I don't know. Since the fix that's been described to me as having been done (upstream of course) is exactly what I asked for... Am I expected to do anything to mark this as resolved??? (I'm still not used to wiki methods) Or do the developers expect to do that themselves? -- | --- ___ | <0> <-> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P |~\___/~ <<jtw...@ttlc.net>>