Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Ken Springer]

On 8/17/13 7:30 AM, Ken Springer wrote:

I'm always looking for software that fits me better, giving me the
output I'm looking for.

I'm interested in knowing what users of LyX think of the idea of using
it as a general word processor, instead of MS Word, Libre Office,
Apple's Pages, etc.

Pluses?  Minuses?


I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread. 
 I think, after some more questions here, I'll give it a try.



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.04

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Ken Springer]

On 8/17/13 7:30 AM, Ken Springer wrote:

I'm always looking for software that fits me better, giving me the
output I'm looking for.

I'm interested in knowing what users of LyX think of the idea of using
it as a general word processor, instead of MS Word, Libre Office,
Apple's Pages, etc.

Pluses?  Minuses?


I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread. 
 I think, after some more questions here, I'll give it a try.



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.04

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Ken Springer]

On 8/17/13 7:30 AM, Ken Springer wrote:

I'm always looking for software that fits me better, giving me the
output I'm looking for.

I'm interested in knowing what users of LyX think of the idea of using
it as a general word processor, instead of MS Word, Libre Office,
Apple's Pages, etc.

Pluses?  Minuses?


I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread. 
 I think, after some more questions here, I'll give it a try.



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.04

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

Even better, at the Technical University in Aachen they came with
wonderful orange boxes to hold approximately a 10 cm stack of the
cards so you kept them on your desk to write notes on the cards.

I think I still have one with a few cards left at my mother's house
:-)-O

el


On 2013-08-25 15:04 , John Kane wrote:
 Kids.!  Remember SGML on the IBM mainframe?

 And did you know that you could use IBM punch cards as postcards?
 

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

Even better, at the Technical University in Aachen they came with
wonderful orange boxes to hold approximately a 10 cm stack of the
cards so you kept them on your desk to write notes on the cards.

I think I still have one with a few cards left at my mother's house
:-)-O

el


On 2013-08-25 15:04 , John Kane wrote:
 Kids.!  Remember SGML on the IBM mainframe?

 And did you know that you could use IBM punch cards as postcards?
 

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

Even better, at the Technical University in Aachen they came with
wonderful orange boxes to hold approximately a 10 cm stack of the
cards so you kept them on your desk to write notes on the cards.

I think I still have one with a few cards left at my mother's house
:-)-O

el


On 2013-08-25 15:04 , John Kane wrote:
> Kids.!  Remember SGML on the IBM mainframe?
>
> And did you know that you could use IBM punch cards as postcards?
> 

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Wolfgang Keller]

 The new (4.0 IIRC) version of LibreOffice had problems on the Mac 

I'm at 4.1.

But I don't have a clue of its math support, since I wouldn't use it
for writing documents anyway.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Wolfgang Keller]

 Version 1.0.0 of the software was released in 1999. 
 by the way, in Tübingen, my home town

braggard

And it's hosted at one of my almae matres.

At least the FTP server.

/braggard

;-

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Wolfgang Keller]

   And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so.
 
  The first public LyX version was when? Can't have been much longer
  than 10 years ago.
 
That was a typo and should have been 15, as the original message said.

I know Lyrix was implemented first using XForms some time late in the
90s, but it must have been after 1995.

And I didn't really consider it as usable around 1998, when I tried it
the first time. Neither Scientific Workplace, which I tried as well at
that time. I stuck with Framemaker back then.
 
 Way earlier than that. I switched to Lyx after I completed my
 dissertation (which I wrote in Framemaker, on a NeXt cube. Boy am I
 old!).

Topper

That's nothing.

Framemaker? NeXt? Pampered upperclass brat.

Remember Wordstar (don't know which version) on plain MS DOS?

/Topper

;-

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[John Kane]

Kids.!
Remember SGML on the IBM mainframe? 

And did you know that you could use IBM punch cards as postcards?





 From: Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net
To: LyX Users List lyx-users@lists.lyx.org 
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:01:08 AM
Subject: Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor
 

   And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so.
 
  The first public LyX version was when? Can't have been much longer
  than 10 years ago.

That was a typo and should have been 15, as the original message said.

I know Lyrix was implemented first using XForms some time late in the
90s, but it must have been after 1995.

And I didn't really consider it as usable around 1998, when I tried it
the first time. Neither Scientific Workplace, which I tried as well at
that time. I stuck with Framemaker back then.

 Way earlier than that. I switched to Lyx after I completed my
 dissertation (which I wrote in Framemaker, on a NeXt cube. Boy am I
 old!).

Topper

That's nothing.

Framemaker? NeXt? Pampered upperclass brat.

Remember Wordstar (don't know which version) on plain MS DOS?

/Topper

;-

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[David L. Johnson]

On 08/25/2013 09:01 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
That was a typo and should have been 15, as the original message said. 
I know Lyrix was implemented first using XForms some time late in the 
90s, but it must have been after 1995.


Not exactly.  It began either in 95 or earlier, and the original widget 
library was Motif, not Xforms.  I had a linux box with motif (that I had 
purchased) at the time, and would provide binaries with 
statically-linked Motif for those who did not have their own (most linux 
users did not, since Motif was never open-source.  The notif clone was 
not available then, either.


I haven't been able to find 0.7 or older source code for LyX, but 
scanning my directories I found a file written in 0.7, in 1995.  Here is 
the header of that file:


#This file was created by (null) Sat Nov 25 02:07:18 1995
#LyX 0.7 (C) 1995 Matthias Ettrich
\lyxformat 2.10

The original versions did not display math at all, but showed any math 
as ERT.  It still was easier to work with (for me, anyway) than plain 
LaTeX.  Once the displayed math came along, it was much, much better.



Way earlier than that. I switched to Lyx after I completed my
dissertation (which I wrote in Framemaker, on a NeXt cube. Boy am I
old!).
Topper

That's nothing.

Framemaker? NeXt? Pampered upperclass brat.
The NeXt was such a pile.  For the time, great GUI, but the CPU was 
incredibly slow (Motorola 608030 if memory serves), and that r/w optical 
drive!


Remember Wordstar (don't know which version) on plain MS DOS?
Oh, yeah.  Plus various technical-writing programs, some more wysiwyg 
than others, but the printout usually was horrible.



--

David L. Johnson
Department of Mathematics
Lehigh University

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Wolfgang Keller]

 The new (4.0 IIRC) version of LibreOffice had problems on the Mac 

I'm at 4.1.

But I don't have a clue of its math support, since I wouldn't use it
for writing documents anyway.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Wolfgang Keller]

 Version 1.0.0 of the software was released in 1999. 
 by the way, in Tübingen, my home town

braggard

And it's hosted at one of my almae matres.

At least the FTP server.

/braggard

;-

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Wolfgang Keller]

   And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so.
 
  The first public LyX version was when? Can't have been much longer
  than 10 years ago.
 
That was a typo and should have been 15, as the original message said.

I know Lyrix was implemented first using XForms some time late in the
90s, but it must have been after 1995.

And I didn't really consider it as usable around 1998, when I tried it
the first time. Neither Scientific Workplace, which I tried as well at
that time. I stuck with Framemaker back then.
 
 Way earlier than that. I switched to Lyx after I completed my
 dissertation (which I wrote in Framemaker, on a NeXt cube. Boy am I
 old!).

Topper

That's nothing.

Framemaker? NeXt? Pampered upperclass brat.

Remember Wordstar (don't know which version) on plain MS DOS?

/Topper

;-

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[John Kane]

Kids.!
Remember SGML on the IBM mainframe? 

And did you know that you could use IBM punch cards as postcards?





 From: Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net
To: LyX Users List lyx-users@lists.lyx.org 
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:01:08 AM
Subject: Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor
 

   And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so.
 
  The first public LyX version was when? Can't have been much longer
  than 10 years ago.

That was a typo and should have been 15, as the original message said.

I know Lyrix was implemented first using XForms some time late in the
90s, but it must have been after 1995.

And I didn't really consider it as usable around 1998, when I tried it
the first time. Neither Scientific Workplace, which I tried as well at
that time. I stuck with Framemaker back then.

 Way earlier than that. I switched to Lyx after I completed my
 dissertation (which I wrote in Framemaker, on a NeXt cube. Boy am I
 old!).

Topper

That's nothing.

Framemaker? NeXt? Pampered upperclass brat.

Remember Wordstar (don't know which version) on plain MS DOS?

/Topper

;-

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[David L. Johnson]

On 08/25/2013 09:01 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
That was a typo and should have been 15, as the original message said. 
I know Lyrix was implemented first using XForms some time late in the 
90s, but it must have been after 1995.


Not exactly.  It began either in 95 or earlier, and the original widget 
library was Motif, not Xforms.  I had a linux box with motif (that I had 
purchased) at the time, and would provide binaries with 
statically-linked Motif for those who did not have their own (most linux 
users did not, since Motif was never open-source.  The notif clone was 
not available then, either.


I haven't been able to find 0.7 or older source code for LyX, but 
scanning my directories I found a file written in 0.7, in 1995.  Here is 
the header of that file:


#This file was created by (null) Sat Nov 25 02:07:18 1995
#LyX 0.7 (C) 1995 Matthias Ettrich
\lyxformat 2.10

The original versions did not display math at all, but showed any math 
as ERT.  It still was easier to work with (for me, anyway) than plain 
LaTeX.  Once the displayed math came along, it was much, much better.



Way earlier than that. I switched to Lyx after I completed my
dissertation (which I wrote in Framemaker, on a NeXt cube. Boy am I
old!).
Topper

That's nothing.

Framemaker? NeXt? Pampered upperclass brat.
The NeXt was such a pile.  For the time, great GUI, but the CPU was 
incredibly slow (Motorola 608030 if memory serves), and that r/w optical 
drive!


Remember Wordstar (don't know which version) on plain MS DOS?
Oh, yeah.  Plus various technical-writing programs, some more wysiwyg 
than others, but the printout usually was horrible.



--

David L. Johnson
Department of Mathematics
Lehigh University

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Wolfgang Keller]

> The new (4.0 IIRC) version of LibreOffice had problems on the Mac 

I'm at 4.1.

But I don't have a clue of its math support, since I wouldn't use it
for writing documents anyway.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Wolfgang Keller]

> Version 1.0.0 of the software was released in 1999. 
> by the way, in Tübingen, my home town



And it's hosted at one of my almae matres.

At least the FTP server.



>;->

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Wolfgang Keller]

> > > And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so.
> >
> > The first public LyX version was when? Can't have been much longer
> > than 10 years ago.
 
That was a typo and should have been 15, as the original message said.

I know Lyrix was implemented first using XForms some time late in the
90s, but it must have been after 1995.

And I didn't really consider it as usable around 1998, when I tried it
the first time. Neither Scientific Workplace, which I tried as well at
that time. I stuck with Framemaker back then.
 
> Way earlier than that. I switched to Lyx after I completed my
> dissertation (which I wrote in Framemaker, on a NeXt cube. Boy am I
> old!).



That's nothing.

Framemaker? NeXt? Pampered upperclass brat.

Remember Wordstar (don't know which version) on plain MS DOS?



>;->

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[John Kane]

Kids.!
Remember SGML on the IBM mainframe? 

And did you know that you could use IBM punch cards as postcards?





 From: Wolfgang Keller <felip...@gmx.net>
To: LyX Users List <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org> 
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:01:08 AM
Subject: Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor
 

> > > And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so.
> >
> > The first public LyX version was when? Can't have been much longer
> > than 10 years ago.

That was a typo and should have been 15, as the original message said.

I know Lyrix was implemented first using XForms some time late in the
90s, but it must have been after 1995.

And I didn't really consider it as usable around 1998, when I tried it
the first time. Neither Scientific Workplace, which I tried as well at
that time. I stuck with Framemaker back then.

> Way earlier than that. I switched to Lyx after I completed my
> dissertation (which I wrote in Framemaker, on a NeXt cube. Boy am I
> old!).



That's nothing.

Framemaker? NeXt? Pampered upperclass brat.

Remember Wordstar (don't know which version) on plain MS DOS?



>;->

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[David L. Johnson]

On 08/25/2013 09:01 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
That was a typo and should have been 15, as the original message said. 
I know Lyrix was implemented first using XForms some time late in the 
90s, but it must have been after 1995.


Not exactly.  It began either in 95 or earlier, and the original widget 
library was Motif, not Xforms.  I had a linux box with motif (that I had 
purchased) at the time, and would provide binaries with 
statically-linked Motif for those who did not have their own (most linux 
users did not, since Motif was never open-source.  The "notif" clone was 
not available then, either.


I haven't been able to find 0.7 or older source code for LyX, but 
scanning my directories I found a file written in 0.7, in 1995.  Here is 
the header of that file:


#This file was created by <(null)> Sat Nov 25 02:07:18 1995
#LyX 0.7 (C) 1995 Matthias Ettrich
\lyxformat 2.10

The original versions did not display math at all, but showed any math 
as ERT.  It still was easier to work with (for me, anyway) than plain 
LaTeX.  Once the displayed math came along, it was much, much better.



Way earlier than that. I switched to Lyx after I completed my
dissertation (which I wrote in Framemaker, on a NeXt cube. Boy am I
old!).


That's nothing.

Framemaker? NeXt? Pampered upperclass brat.
The NeXt was such a pile.  For the time, great GUI, but the CPU was 
incredibly slow (Motorola 608030 if memory serves), and that r/w optical 
drive!


Remember Wordstar (don't know which version) on plain MS DOS?
Oh, yeah.  Plus various technical-writing programs, some more wysiwyg 
than others, but the printout usually was horrible.



--

David L. Johnson
Department of Mathematics
Lehigh University

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

22/08/2013 21:09, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com:

Yeah, now that you mention it, I remember KLyX. Thank you, thank you,
THANK YOU for winning that battle!


The problem was not only around KDE (although there were ideological 
ideas behind this port that we did not share), but rather that we were 
very busy at that time turning the code base into something usable. The 
original implementations of footnotes and and tabulars were, err, 
interesting :) The priority was clearly not in a shiny interface.


JMarc

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

Went and had a look,

I can find LyX documents from 2000 having survived transitions through a
number of Linux distributions and machines, to a number of Macs.

:-)-O

el


on 2013-08-21 17:53 stefano franchi said the following:
 
 On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net
 mailto:felip...@gmx.net wrote:
 
 
  And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so.
 
 The first public LyX version was when? Can't have been much longer
 than 10 years ago.
 
 
 Way earlier than that. I switched to Lyx after I completed my
 dissertation (which I wrote in Framemaker, on a NeXt cube. Boy am I
 old!). I defended in 1997...
 
 Cheers,
 
 Stefano

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Les Denham]

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:26:31 -0700
Jerry lancebo...@qwest.net wrote:

 
 On Aug 21, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org wrote:
 
  On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:13:23 -0700
  Jerry lancebo...@qwest.net wrote:
  
  
  On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org wrote:
  
  My general approach to  getting a LyX document into Word format is
  to us the LyXHTML export, import the exported file into
  LibreOffice, fix the inevitable problems, and save in DOCX format.
  
  How do you import the XHTML from LyXHTML into LibreOffice? When I
  try it, I see only raw text; it is not rendered. I let the file
  dialog display all files and assumed that the .xhtml file
  extension would tell LO what to do but obviously this did not
  happen.
  
  Jerry,
  
  One of the inevitable problems. Try changing the .xhtml file
  extension to .html. I think you can also delve into the advanced
  settings of LibreOffice to tell it to treat .xhtml files as HTML.
  
  Les
 
 Les, thanks for that tip, but it didn't change anything--still raw
 text, either with a document with a few equations (and thus MathML in
 the XHTML file) or just a simple file containing only the word
 Hello.
 
 FWIW, when I do open the (x)html file, I get a dialog asking for
 Character set (default = UTF-8), Default fonts (default = Times New
 Roman), Language (default = English (US)) and Paragraph break
 (default = LF). I accepted all the defaults. So it looks at that
 point like something is about to happen, but then I see only raw
 text. 
 
 I also looked at Tools - Options - Load/Save - HTML Compatibility
 but didn't see anything relevant.
 
 Jerry

Jerry,

Sorry, I left out one step: before opening the file in LibreOffice,
open in a text editor and delete the first line (the one that looks
like this: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?). Save it and then
import into LO.

Les

Les

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Steve Litt]

On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 10:20:06 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes lasgout...@lyx.org wrote:

 22/08/2013 21:09, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com:
  Yeah, now that you mention it, I remember KLyX. Thank you, thank
  you, THANK YOU for winning that battle!
 
 The problem was not only around KDE (although there were ideological 
 ideas behind this port that we did not share), but rather that we
 were very busy at that time turning the code base into something
 usable. The original implementations of footnotes and and tabulars
 were, err, interesting :) The priority was clearly not in a shiny
 interface.

Yes, I still remember (fondly, actually) xforms. LyX with xforms could
not have been accused of having a shiny interface :-)

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Jerry]

On Aug 23, 2013, at 7:28 AM, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org wrote:

 On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:26:31 -0700
 Jerry lancebo...@qwest.net wrote:
 
 
 On Aug 21, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org wrote:
 
 On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:13:23 -0700
 Jerry lancebo...@qwest.net wrote:
 
 
 On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org wrote:
 
 My general approach to  getting a LyX document into Word format is
 to us the LyXHTML export, import the exported file into
 LibreOffice, fix the inevitable problems, and save in DOCX format.
 
 How do you import the XHTML from LyXHTML into LibreOffice? When I
 try it, I see only raw text; it is not rendered. I let the file
 dialog display all files and assumed that the .xhtml file
 extension would tell LO what to do but obviously this did not
 happen.
 
 Jerry,
 
 One of the inevitable problems. Try changing the .xhtml file
 extension to .html. I think you can also delve into the advanced
 settings of LibreOffice to tell it to treat .xhtml files as HTML.
 
 Les
 
 Les, thanks for that tip, but it didn't change anything--still raw
 text, either with a document with a few equations (and thus MathML in
 the XHTML file) or just a simple file containing only the word
 Hello.
 
 FWIW, when I do open the (x)html file, I get a dialog asking for
 Character set (default = UTF-8), Default fonts (default = Times New
 Roman), Language (default = English (US)) and Paragraph break
 (default = LF). I accepted all the defaults. So it looks at that
 point like something is about to happen, but then I see only raw
 text. 
 
 I also looked at Tools - Options - Load/Save - HTML Compatibility
 but didn't see anything relevant.
 
 Jerry
 
 Jerry,
 
 Sorry, I left out one step: before opening the file in LibreOffice,
 open in a text editor and delete the first line (the one that looks
 like this: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?). Save it and then
 import into LO.
 
 Les

Thanks, Les (and Alan). That fixes the import problem.

I was disappointed (but not surprised) to see that LibreOffice (actually, 
NeoOffice, a Macintized version of OpenOffice) does not render the math which 
comes over as MathML.

Firefox and recent versions of Safari (apparently at the WebKit level) do a 
passable job of rendering the math in a browser. Passable means easily 
readable and mathematically correct but not up to TeX standards.

The new (4.0 IIRC) version of LibreOffice had problems on the Mac so I deleted 
it for the time being. Maybe LO does the math.

As I ramble more...OpenOffice and LibreOffice leave giant white space on both 
sides of in-line math--completely unacceptable. And it seems impossible to 
understand the math syntax until one accidentally discovers that it is based on 
nroff or troff I'm not sure which because I don't care that much.

Jerry

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

22/08/2013 21:09, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com:

Yeah, now that you mention it, I remember KLyX. Thank you, thank you,
THANK YOU for winning that battle!


The problem was not only around KDE (although there were ideological 
ideas behind this port that we did not share), but rather that we were 
very busy at that time turning the code base into something usable. The 
original implementations of footnotes and and tabulars were, err, 
interesting :) The priority was clearly not in a shiny interface.


JMarc

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

Went and had a look,

I can find LyX documents from 2000 having survived transitions through a
number of Linux distributions and machines, to a number of Macs.

:-)-O

el


on 2013-08-21 17:53 stefano franchi said the following:
 
 On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net
 mailto:felip...@gmx.net wrote:
 
 
  And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so.
 
 The first public LyX version was when? Can't have been much longer
 than 10 years ago.
 
 
 Way earlier than that. I switched to Lyx after I completed my
 dissertation (which I wrote in Framemaker, on a NeXt cube. Boy am I
 old!). I defended in 1997...
 
 Cheers,
 
 Stefano

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Les Denham]

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:26:31 -0700
Jerry lancebo...@qwest.net wrote:

 
 On Aug 21, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org wrote:
 
  On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:13:23 -0700
  Jerry lancebo...@qwest.net wrote:
  
  
  On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org wrote:
  
  My general approach to  getting a LyX document into Word format is
  to us the LyXHTML export, import the exported file into
  LibreOffice, fix the inevitable problems, and save in DOCX format.
  
  How do you import the XHTML from LyXHTML into LibreOffice? When I
  try it, I see only raw text; it is not rendered. I let the file
  dialog display all files and assumed that the .xhtml file
  extension would tell LO what to do but obviously this did not
  happen.
  
  Jerry,
  
  One of the inevitable problems. Try changing the .xhtml file
  extension to .html. I think you can also delve into the advanced
  settings of LibreOffice to tell it to treat .xhtml files as HTML.
  
  Les
 
 Les, thanks for that tip, but it didn't change anything--still raw
 text, either with a document with a few equations (and thus MathML in
 the XHTML file) or just a simple file containing only the word
 Hello.
 
 FWIW, when I do open the (x)html file, I get a dialog asking for
 Character set (default = UTF-8), Default fonts (default = Times New
 Roman), Language (default = English (US)) and Paragraph break
 (default = LF). I accepted all the defaults. So it looks at that
 point like something is about to happen, but then I see only raw
 text. 
 
 I also looked at Tools - Options - Load/Save - HTML Compatibility
 but didn't see anything relevant.
 
 Jerry

Jerry,

Sorry, I left out one step: before opening the file in LibreOffice,
open in a text editor and delete the first line (the one that looks
like this: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?). Save it and then
import into LO.

Les

Les

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Steve Litt]

On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 10:20:06 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes lasgout...@lyx.org wrote:

 22/08/2013 21:09, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com:
  Yeah, now that you mention it, I remember KLyX. Thank you, thank
  you, THANK YOU for winning that battle!
 
 The problem was not only around KDE (although there were ideological 
 ideas behind this port that we did not share), but rather that we
 were very busy at that time turning the code base into something
 usable. The original implementations of footnotes and and tabulars
 were, err, interesting :) The priority was clearly not in a shiny
 interface.

Yes, I still remember (fondly, actually) xforms. LyX with xforms could
not have been accused of having a shiny interface :-)

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Jerry]

On Aug 23, 2013, at 7:28 AM, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org wrote:

 On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:26:31 -0700
 Jerry lancebo...@qwest.net wrote:
 
 
 On Aug 21, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org wrote:
 
 On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:13:23 -0700
 Jerry lancebo...@qwest.net wrote:
 
 
 On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org wrote:
 
 My general approach to  getting a LyX document into Word format is
 to us the LyXHTML export, import the exported file into
 LibreOffice, fix the inevitable problems, and save in DOCX format.
 
 How do you import the XHTML from LyXHTML into LibreOffice? When I
 try it, I see only raw text; it is not rendered. I let the file
 dialog display all files and assumed that the .xhtml file
 extension would tell LO what to do but obviously this did not
 happen.
 
 Jerry,
 
 One of the inevitable problems. Try changing the .xhtml file
 extension to .html. I think you can also delve into the advanced
 settings of LibreOffice to tell it to treat .xhtml files as HTML.
 
 Les
 
 Les, thanks for that tip, but it didn't change anything--still raw
 text, either with a document with a few equations (and thus MathML in
 the XHTML file) or just a simple file containing only the word
 Hello.
 
 FWIW, when I do open the (x)html file, I get a dialog asking for
 Character set (default = UTF-8), Default fonts (default = Times New
 Roman), Language (default = English (US)) and Paragraph break
 (default = LF). I accepted all the defaults. So it looks at that
 point like something is about to happen, but then I see only raw
 text. 
 
 I also looked at Tools - Options - Load/Save - HTML Compatibility
 but didn't see anything relevant.
 
 Jerry
 
 Jerry,
 
 Sorry, I left out one step: before opening the file in LibreOffice,
 open in a text editor and delete the first line (the one that looks
 like this: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?). Save it and then
 import into LO.
 
 Les

Thanks, Les (and Alan). That fixes the import problem.

I was disappointed (but not surprised) to see that LibreOffice (actually, 
NeoOffice, a Macintized version of OpenOffice) does not render the math which 
comes over as MathML.

Firefox and recent versions of Safari (apparently at the WebKit level) do a 
passable job of rendering the math in a browser. Passable means easily 
readable and mathematically correct but not up to TeX standards.

The new (4.0 IIRC) version of LibreOffice had problems on the Mac so I deleted 
it for the time being. Maybe LO does the math.

As I ramble more...OpenOffice and LibreOffice leave giant white space on both 
sides of in-line math--completely unacceptable. And it seems impossible to 
understand the math syntax until one accidentally discovers that it is based on 
nroff or troff I'm not sure which because I don't care that much.

Jerry

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

22/08/2013 21:09, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com:

Yeah, now that you mention it, I remember KLyX. Thank you, thank you,
THANK YOU for winning that battle!


The problem was not only around KDE (although there were ideological 
ideas behind this port that we did not share), but rather that we were 
very busy at that time turning the code base into something usable. The 
original implementations of footnotes and and tabulars were, err, 
interesting :) The priority was clearly not in a shiny interface.


JMarc

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

Went and had a look,

I can find LyX documents from 2000 having survived transitions through a
number of Linux distributions and machines, to a number of Macs.

:-)-O

el


on 2013-08-21 17:53 stefano franchi said the following:
> 
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Wolfgang Keller  > wrote:
> 
> 
> > And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so.
> 
> The first public LyX version was when? Can't have been much longer
> than 10 years ago.
> 
> 
> Way earlier than that. I switched to Lyx after I completed my
> dissertation (which I wrote in Framemaker, on a NeXt cube. Boy am I
> old!). I defended in 1997...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Stefano

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Les Denham]

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:26:31 -0700
Jerry  wrote:

> 
> On Aug 21, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Les Denham  wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:13:23 -0700
> > Jerry  wrote:
> > 
> >> 
> >> On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Les Denham  wrote:
> >> 
> >>> My general approach to  getting a LyX document into Word format is
> >>> to us the LyXHTML export, import the exported file into
> >>> LibreOffice, fix the inevitable problems, and save in DOCX format.
> >> 
> >> How do you import the XHTML from LyXHTML into LibreOffice? When I
> >> try it, I see only raw text; it is not rendered. I let the file
> >> dialog display all files and assumed that the .xhtml file
> >> extension would tell LO what to do but obviously this did not
> >> happen.
> >> 
> > Jerry,
> > 
> > One of the inevitable problems. Try changing the .xhtml file
> > extension to .html. I think you can also delve into the advanced
> > settings of LibreOffice to tell it to treat .xhtml files as HTML.
> > 
> > Les
> 
> Les, thanks for that tip, but it didn't change anything--still raw
> text, either with a document with a few equations (and thus MathML in
> the XHTML file) or just a simple file containing only the word
> "Hello".
> 
> FWIW, when I do open the (x)html file, I get a dialog asking for
> Character set (default = UTF-8), Default fonts (default = Times New
> Roman), Language (default = English (US)) and Paragraph break
> (default = LF). I accepted all the defaults. So it looks at that
> point like something is about to happen, but then I see only raw
> text. 
> 
> I also looked at Tools -> Options -> Load/Save -> HTML Compatibility
> but didn't see anything relevant.
> 
> Jerry

Jerry,

Sorry, I left out one step: before opening the file in LibreOffice,
open in a text editor and delete the first line (the one that looks
like this: ). Save it and then
import into LO.

Les

Les

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Steve Litt]

On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 10:20:06 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes  wrote:

> 22/08/2013 21:09, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com:
> > Yeah, now that you mention it, I remember KLyX. Thank you, thank
> > you, THANK YOU for winning that battle!
> 
> The problem was not only around KDE (although there were ideological 
> ideas behind this port that we did not share), but rather that we
> were very busy at that time turning the code base into something
> usable. The original implementations of footnotes and and tabulars
> were, err, interesting :) The priority was clearly not in a shiny
> interface.

Yes, I still remember (fondly, actually) xforms. LyX with xforms could
not have been accused of having a shiny interface :-)

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Jerry]

On Aug 23, 2013, at 7:28 AM, Les Denham  wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:26:31 -0700
> Jerry  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Aug 21, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Les Denham  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:13:23 -0700
>>> Jerry  wrote:
>>> 
 
 On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Les Denham  wrote:
 
> My general approach to  getting a LyX document into Word format is
> to us the LyXHTML export, import the exported file into
> LibreOffice, fix the inevitable problems, and save in DOCX format.
 
 How do you import the XHTML from LyXHTML into LibreOffice? When I
 try it, I see only raw text; it is not rendered. I let the file
 dialog display all files and assumed that the .xhtml file
 extension would tell LO what to do but obviously this did not
 happen.
 
>>> Jerry,
>>> 
>>> One of the inevitable problems. Try changing the .xhtml file
>>> extension to .html. I think you can also delve into the advanced
>>> settings of LibreOffice to tell it to treat .xhtml files as HTML.
>>> 
>>> Les
>> 
>> Les, thanks for that tip, but it didn't change anything--still raw
>> text, either with a document with a few equations (and thus MathML in
>> the XHTML file) or just a simple file containing only the word
>> "Hello".
>> 
>> FWIW, when I do open the (x)html file, I get a dialog asking for
>> Character set (default = UTF-8), Default fonts (default = Times New
>> Roman), Language (default = English (US)) and Paragraph break
>> (default = LF). I accepted all the defaults. So it looks at that
>> point like something is about to happen, but then I see only raw
>> text. 
>> 
>> I also looked at Tools -> Options -> Load/Save -> HTML Compatibility
>> but didn't see anything relevant.
>> 
>> Jerry
> 
> Jerry,
> 
> Sorry, I left out one step: before opening the file in LibreOffice,
> open in a text editor and delete the first line (the one that looks
> like this: ). Save it and then
> import into LO.
> 
> Les

Thanks, Les (and Alan). That fixes the import problem.

I was disappointed (but not surprised) to see that LibreOffice (actually, 
NeoOffice, a Macintized version of OpenOffice) does not render the math which 
comes over as MathML.

Firefox and recent versions of Safari (apparently at the WebKit level) do a 
passable job of rendering the math in a browser. "Passable" means easily 
readable and mathematically correct but not up to TeX standards.

The new (4.0 IIRC) version of LibreOffice had problems on the Mac so I deleted 
it for the time being. Maybe LO does the math.

As I ramble more...OpenOffice and LibreOffice leave giant white space on both 
sides of in-line math--completely unacceptable. And it seems impossible to 
understand the math syntax until one accidentally discovers that it is based on 
nroff or troff I'm not sure which because I don't care that much.

Jerry

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Am Wednesday, 21. August 2013, 18:53:58 schrieb stefano franchi:
 On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net 
wrote:
   And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so.
  
  The first public LyX version was when? Can't have been much longer
  than 10 years ago.
 
 Way earlier than that. I switched to Lyx after I completed my
 dissertation (which I wrote in Framemaker, on a NeXt cube. Boy am I
 old!). I defended in 1997...
 
 Cheers,
 
 Stefano

The history of LyX
This first description of the history of LyX was taken from LyX's wikipedia 
entry: Wikipedia:LyX 
Matthias Ettrich started developing the shareware programm Lyrix in 
1995(?). 
Soon after this it was announced on USENET [wikipedia.org] where it 
received great attention during the subsequent years. 
Shortly after the initial release Lyrix was renamed to Lyx due to a name-
clash with some commercial software. In this course it was also GPL'd, 
which opened the project to the open-source community. 
Version 1.0.0 of the software was released in 1999. 
by the way, in Tübingen, my home town

Wolfgang

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Am Thursday, 22. August 2013, 09:18:09 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
 On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:19 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann
 
 engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de wrote:
  by the way, in Tübingen, my home town
 
 Cool! :)
 
 Scott

More to Matthias Ettrich:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthias_Ettrich

Wolfgang

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Pavel Sanda]

Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
 The history of LyX

http://www.lyx.org/misc/archaeology/

Pavel

Re: Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Pavel Sanda]

Scott Kostyshak wrote:
 Also note that Wikipedia's LyX page [1] lists the following:
 LyX 0.7.0 was released on October 24, 1995.

That's derived from in depth searching I did few years back
and put on the page posted in my previous mail.

BTW David, do you still have somewhere stored any pre 0.7 source code
or announcement messages?

Pavel

Re: Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Liviu Andronic]

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:49 AM, David L. Johnson d...@lehigh.edu wrote:
 at one time, and used Motif widgets).  It was originally called LyriX,
 but Matthais got a letter from a lawyer about that, so he changed the name.

According to Matthias: The idea to simply strip the name down to LyX
came from David Johnson.

Was it so? :)

Liviu

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Am Thursday, 22. August 2013, 10:43:55 schrieb Liviu Andronic:
 On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:49 AM, David L. Johnson d...@lehigh.edu 
wrote:
  at one time, and used Motif widgets).  It was originally called
  LyriX, but Matthais got a letter from a lawyer about that, so he
  changed the name.
 
 According to Matthias: The idea to simply strip the name down to LyX
 came from David Johnson.
 
 Was it so? :)
 
 Liviu

I wonder how many man hours where saved in the meantime by having to write 
Lyx instead of Lyrix?

Wolfgang

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Liviu Andronic]

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann
engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de wrote:
 I wonder how many man hours where saved in the meantime by having to write
 Lyx instead of Lyrix?

What about the frustration from having to write LyX  instead of Lyx,
or even worse the following monstrosity: LyX/LaTeX, complete with the
mental tick to correctly pronounce [latek]? MiKTeX still gives me
shivers..

Liviu

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[David L. Johnson]

On 08/22/2013 03:42 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Scott Kostyshak wrote:

Also note that Wikipedia's LyX page [1] lists the following:
 LyX 0.7.0 was released on October 24, 1995.

That's derived from in depth searching I did few years back
and put on the page posted in my previous mail.

BTW David, do you still have somewhere stored any pre 0.7 source code
or announcement messages?

Not that I can find at the moment.  I can look on an older computer 
tonight (but it probably isn't old enough).  Of course, the 
announcements that were posted to usenet might still be findable.


I'll let you know if I find anything.

--

David L. Johnson

And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries,
and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove
mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. [1 Corinth. 13:2]

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[David L. Johnson]

On 08/22/2013 04:43 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:49 AM, David L. Johnsond...@lehigh.edu  wrote:

at one time, and used Motif widgets).  It was originally called LyriX,
but Matthais got a letter from a lawyer about that, so he changed the name.


According to Matthias: The idea to simply strip the name down to LyX
came from David Johnson.

Was it so? :)




If Matthais says so.  I remember the discussion --- between the two of 
us at the time, as I recall.  I did point out that the extension was 
already .lyx.  He came up with the original name somehow wanting to 
link in a musical reference, which I suggested would also apply to LyX.


--

David L. Johnson

If all economists were laid end to end, they would not reach a
conclusion.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com]

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 09:26:39 +0200
Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de wrote:

 Am Thursday, 22. August 2013, 09:18:09 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
  On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:19 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann
  
  engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de wrote:
   by the way, in Tübingen, my home town
  
  Cool! :)
  
  Scott
 
 More to Matthias Ettrich:
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthias_Ettrich
 
 Wolfgang

I give thanks to eternity that LyX wasn't made into a KDE app. My
business has banned all use of all KDE libraries, for stability's sake.
Qt's not bad, as a matter of fact Qt built apps seem easier to
configure, from my point of view, than Gtk built apps.

In the history of LyX, did anyone campaign for it to be a KDE app, and
if so, how was that (in my opinion mistake) prevented?


Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 22/08/13 20:42, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com a écrit :

In the history of LyX, did anyone campaign for it to be a KDE app, and
if so, how was that (in my opinion mistake) prevented?


This is KLyX, a fork attempted by Matthias without telling us. But we 
won in the end :)


JMarc

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com]

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 20:54:36 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes lasgout...@lyx.org wrote:

 Le 22/08/13 20:42, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com a écrit :
  In the history of LyX, did anyone campaign for it to be a KDE app,
  and if so, how was that (in my opinion mistake) prevented?
 
 This is KLyX, a fork attempted by Matthias without telling us. But we 
 won in the end :)
 
 JMarc

Yeah, now that you mention it, I remember KLyX. Thank you, thank you,
THANK YOU for winning that battle!

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[David L. Johnson]

On 08/22/2013 02:42 PM, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote:

Thursday, 22. August 2013, 09:18:09 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
I give thanks to eternity that LyX wasn't made into a KDE app. My
business has banned all use of all KDE libraries, for stability's sake.
Qt's not bad, as a matter of fact Qt built apps seem easier to
configure, from my point of view, than Gtk built apps.

In the history of LyX, did anyone campaign for it to be a KDE app, and
if so, how was that (in my opinion mistake) prevented?
Well, Matthais, as you know, started KDE, so this gets to be a delicate 
discussion.  IIRC, at that time LyX depended on the Xforms widgets 
(which was a step up from the original Motif in terms of programming, if 
not appearance).  Matthias did port LyX to the KDE project, as klyx, but 
that died out when lyx went with Qt.  KDE does still seem to be alive.


But LyX has now grown beyond the linux/unix base, and so these 
widget-set/desktop-environment distinctions are no longer important.


--

David L. Johnson

If all economists were laid end to end, they would not reach a
conclusion.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Jerry]

On Aug 21, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org wrote:

 On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:13:23 -0700
 Jerry lancebo...@qwest.net wrote:
 
 
 On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org wrote:
 
 My general approach to  getting a LyX document into Word format is
 to us the LyXHTML export, import the exported file into
 LibreOffice, fix the inevitable problems, and save in DOCX format.
 
 How do you import the XHTML from LyXHTML into LibreOffice? When I try
 it, I see only raw text; it is not rendered. I let the file dialog
 display all files and assumed that the .xhtml file extension would
 tell LO what to do but obviously this did not happen.
 
 Jerry,
 
 One of the inevitable problems. Try changing the .xhtml file extension
 to .html. I think you can also delve into the advanced settings of
 LibreOffice to tell it to treat .xhtml files as HTML.
 
 Les

Les, thanks for that tip, but it didn't change anything--still raw text, either 
with a document with a few equations (and thus MathML in the XHTML file) or 
just a simple file containing only the word Hello.

FWIW, when I do open the (x)html file, I get a dialog asking for Character set 
(default = UTF-8), Default fonts (default = Times New Roman), Language (default 
= English (US)) and Paragraph break (default = LF). I accepted all the 
defaults. So it looks at that point like something is about to happen, but then 
I see only raw text. 

I also looked at Tools - Options - Load/Save - HTML Compatibility but didn't 
see anything relevant.

Jerry

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Alan L Tyree]

On 23/08/13 10:26, Jerry wrote:

On Aug 21, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org wrote:


On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:13:23 -0700
Jerry lancebo...@qwest.net wrote:


On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org wrote:


My general approach to  getting a LyX document into Word format is
to us the LyXHTML export, import the exported file into
LibreOffice, fix the inevitable problems, and save in DOCX format.

How do you import the XHTML from LyXHTML into LibreOffice? When I try
it, I see only raw text; it is not rendered. I let the file dialog
display all files and assumed that the .xhtml file extension would
tell LO what to do but obviously this did not happen.


Jerry,

One of the inevitable problems. Try changing the .xhtml file extension
to .html. I think you can also delve into the advanced settings of
LibreOffice to tell it to treat .xhtml files as HTML.

Les

Les, thanks for that tip, but it didn't change anything--still raw text, either with a 
document with a few equations (and thus MathML in the XHTML file) or just a simple file 
containing only the word Hello.

FWIW, when I do open the (x)html file, I get a dialog asking for Character set 
(default = UTF-8), Default fonts (default = Times New Roman), Language (default 
= English (US)) and Paragraph break (default = LF). I accepted all the 
defaults. So it looks at that point like something is about to happen, but then 
I see only raw text.

I also looked at Tools - Options - Load/Save - HTML Compatibility but didn't 
see anything relevant.

Jerry
Open the HTML file in a text editor and remove the first line, ie, ?xml 
version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?


It should then open in LibreOffice.

Cheers,
Alan

--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206  sip:typh...@iptel.org

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Am Wednesday, 21. August 2013, 18:53:58 schrieb stefano franchi:
 On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net 
wrote:
   And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so.
  
  The first public LyX version was when? Can't have been much longer
  than 10 years ago.
 
 Way earlier than that. I switched to Lyx after I completed my
 dissertation (which I wrote in Framemaker, on a NeXt cube. Boy am I
 old!). I defended in 1997...
 
 Cheers,
 
 Stefano

The history of LyX
This first description of the history of LyX was taken from LyX's wikipedia 
entry: Wikipedia:LyX 
Matthias Ettrich started developing the shareware programm Lyrix in 
1995(?). 
Soon after this it was announced on USENET [wikipedia.org] where it 
received great attention during the subsequent years. 
Shortly after the initial release Lyrix was renamed to Lyx due to a name-
clash with some commercial software. In this course it was also GPL'd, 
which opened the project to the open-source community. 
Version 1.0.0 of the software was released in 1999. 
by the way, in Tübingen, my home town

Wolfgang

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Am Thursday, 22. August 2013, 09:18:09 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
 On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:19 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann
 
 engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de wrote:
  by the way, in Tübingen, my home town
 
 Cool! :)
 
 Scott

More to Matthias Ettrich:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthias_Ettrich

Wolfgang

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Pavel Sanda]

Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
 The history of LyX

http://www.lyx.org/misc/archaeology/

Pavel

Re: Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Pavel Sanda]

Scott Kostyshak wrote:
 Also note that Wikipedia's LyX page [1] lists the following:
 LyX 0.7.0 was released on October 24, 1995.

That's derived from in depth searching I did few years back
and put on the page posted in my previous mail.

BTW David, do you still have somewhere stored any pre 0.7 source code
or announcement messages?

Pavel

Re: Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Liviu Andronic]

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:49 AM, David L. Johnson d...@lehigh.edu wrote:
 at one time, and used Motif widgets).  It was originally called LyriX,
 but Matthais got a letter from a lawyer about that, so he changed the name.

According to Matthias: The idea to simply strip the name down to LyX
came from David Johnson.

Was it so? :)

Liviu

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Am Thursday, 22. August 2013, 10:43:55 schrieb Liviu Andronic:
 On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:49 AM, David L. Johnson d...@lehigh.edu 
wrote:
  at one time, and used Motif widgets).  It was originally called
  LyriX, but Matthais got a letter from a lawyer about that, so he
  changed the name.
 
 According to Matthias: The idea to simply strip the name down to LyX
 came from David Johnson.
 
 Was it so? :)
 
 Liviu

I wonder how many man hours where saved in the meantime by having to write 
Lyx instead of Lyrix?

Wolfgang

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Liviu Andronic]

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann
engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de wrote:
 I wonder how many man hours where saved in the meantime by having to write
 Lyx instead of Lyrix?

What about the frustration from having to write LyX  instead of Lyx,
or even worse the following monstrosity: LyX/LaTeX, complete with the
mental tick to correctly pronounce [latek]? MiKTeX still gives me
shivers..

Liviu

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[David L. Johnson]

On 08/22/2013 03:42 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Scott Kostyshak wrote:

Also note that Wikipedia's LyX page [1] lists the following:
 LyX 0.7.0 was released on October 24, 1995.

That's derived from in depth searching I did few years back
and put on the page posted in my previous mail.

BTW David, do you still have somewhere stored any pre 0.7 source code
or announcement messages?

Not that I can find at the moment.  I can look on an older computer 
tonight (but it probably isn't old enough).  Of course, the 
announcements that were posted to usenet might still be findable.


I'll let you know if I find anything.

--

David L. Johnson

And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries,
and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove
mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. [1 Corinth. 13:2]

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[David L. Johnson]

On 08/22/2013 04:43 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:49 AM, David L. Johnsond...@lehigh.edu  wrote:

at one time, and used Motif widgets).  It was originally called LyriX,
but Matthais got a letter from a lawyer about that, so he changed the name.


According to Matthias: The idea to simply strip the name down to LyX
came from David Johnson.

Was it so? :)




If Matthais says so.  I remember the discussion --- between the two of 
us at the time, as I recall.  I did point out that the extension was 
already .lyx.  He came up with the original name somehow wanting to 
link in a musical reference, which I suggested would also apply to LyX.


--

David L. Johnson

If all economists were laid end to end, they would not reach a
conclusion.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com]

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 09:26:39 +0200
Wolfgang Engelmann engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de wrote:

 Am Thursday, 22. August 2013, 09:18:09 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
  On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:19 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann
  
  engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de wrote:
   by the way, in Tübingen, my home town
  
  Cool! :)
  
  Scott
 
 More to Matthias Ettrich:
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthias_Ettrich
 
 Wolfgang

I give thanks to eternity that LyX wasn't made into a KDE app. My
business has banned all use of all KDE libraries, for stability's sake.
Qt's not bad, as a matter of fact Qt built apps seem easier to
configure, from my point of view, than Gtk built apps.

In the history of LyX, did anyone campaign for it to be a KDE app, and
if so, how was that (in my opinion mistake) prevented?


Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 22/08/13 20:42, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com a écrit :

In the history of LyX, did anyone campaign for it to be a KDE app, and
if so, how was that (in my opinion mistake) prevented?


This is KLyX, a fork attempted by Matthias without telling us. But we 
won in the end :)


JMarc

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com]

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 20:54:36 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes lasgout...@lyx.org wrote:

 Le 22/08/13 20:42, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com a écrit :
  In the history of LyX, did anyone campaign for it to be a KDE app,
  and if so, how was that (in my opinion mistake) prevented?
 
 This is KLyX, a fork attempted by Matthias without telling us. But we 
 won in the end :)
 
 JMarc

Yeah, now that you mention it, I remember KLyX. Thank you, thank you,
THANK YOU for winning that battle!

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[David L. Johnson]

On 08/22/2013 02:42 PM, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote:

Thursday, 22. August 2013, 09:18:09 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
I give thanks to eternity that LyX wasn't made into a KDE app. My
business has banned all use of all KDE libraries, for stability's sake.
Qt's not bad, as a matter of fact Qt built apps seem easier to
configure, from my point of view, than Gtk built apps.

In the history of LyX, did anyone campaign for it to be a KDE app, and
if so, how was that (in my opinion mistake) prevented?
Well, Matthais, as you know, started KDE, so this gets to be a delicate 
discussion.  IIRC, at that time LyX depended on the Xforms widgets 
(which was a step up from the original Motif in terms of programming, if 
not appearance).  Matthias did port LyX to the KDE project, as klyx, but 
that died out when lyx went with Qt.  KDE does still seem to be alive.


But LyX has now grown beyond the linux/unix base, and so these 
widget-set/desktop-environment distinctions are no longer important.


--

David L. Johnson

If all economists were laid end to end, they would not reach a
conclusion.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Jerry]

On Aug 21, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org wrote:

 On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:13:23 -0700
 Jerry lancebo...@qwest.net wrote:
 
 
 On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org wrote:
 
 My general approach to  getting a LyX document into Word format is
 to us the LyXHTML export, import the exported file into
 LibreOffice, fix the inevitable problems, and save in DOCX format.
 
 How do you import the XHTML from LyXHTML into LibreOffice? When I try
 it, I see only raw text; it is not rendered. I let the file dialog
 display all files and assumed that the .xhtml file extension would
 tell LO what to do but obviously this did not happen.
 
 Jerry,
 
 One of the inevitable problems. Try changing the .xhtml file extension
 to .html. I think you can also delve into the advanced settings of
 LibreOffice to tell it to treat .xhtml files as HTML.
 
 Les

Les, thanks for that tip, but it didn't change anything--still raw text, either 
with a document with a few equations (and thus MathML in the XHTML file) or 
just a simple file containing only the word Hello.

FWIW, when I do open the (x)html file, I get a dialog asking for Character set 
(default = UTF-8), Default fonts (default = Times New Roman), Language (default 
= English (US)) and Paragraph break (default = LF). I accepted all the 
defaults. So it looks at that point like something is about to happen, but then 
I see only raw text. 

I also looked at Tools - Options - Load/Save - HTML Compatibility but didn't 
see anything relevant.

Jerry

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Alan L Tyree]

On 23/08/13 10:26, Jerry wrote:

On Aug 21, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org wrote:


On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:13:23 -0700
Jerry lancebo...@qwest.net wrote:


On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org wrote:


My general approach to  getting a LyX document into Word format is
to us the LyXHTML export, import the exported file into
LibreOffice, fix the inevitable problems, and save in DOCX format.

How do you import the XHTML from LyXHTML into LibreOffice? When I try
it, I see only raw text; it is not rendered. I let the file dialog
display all files and assumed that the .xhtml file extension would
tell LO what to do but obviously this did not happen.


Jerry,

One of the inevitable problems. Try changing the .xhtml file extension
to .html. I think you can also delve into the advanced settings of
LibreOffice to tell it to treat .xhtml files as HTML.

Les

Les, thanks for that tip, but it didn't change anything--still raw text, either with a 
document with a few equations (and thus MathML in the XHTML file) or just a simple file 
containing only the word Hello.

FWIW, when I do open the (x)html file, I get a dialog asking for Character set 
(default = UTF-8), Default fonts (default = Times New Roman), Language (default 
= English (US)) and Paragraph break (default = LF). I accepted all the 
defaults. So it looks at that point like something is about to happen, but then 
I see only raw text.

I also looked at Tools - Options - Load/Save - HTML Compatibility but didn't 
see anything relevant.

Jerry
Open the HTML file in a text editor and remove the first line, ie, ?xml 
version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?


It should then open in LibreOffice.

Cheers,
Alan

--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206  sip:typh...@iptel.org

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Am Wednesday, 21. August 2013, 18:53:58 schrieb stefano franchi:
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Wolfgang Keller  
wrote:
> > > And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so.
> > 
> > The first public LyX version was when? Can't have been much longer
> > than 10 years ago.
> 
> Way earlier than that. I switched to Lyx after I completed my
> dissertation (which I wrote in Framemaker, on a NeXt cube. Boy am I
> old!). I defended in 1997...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Stefano

The history of LyX
This first description of the history of LyX was taken from LyX's wikipedia 
entry: Wikipedia:LyX 
Matthias Ettrich started developing the shareware programm Lyrix in 
1995(?). 
Soon after this it was announced on USENET [wikipedia.org] where it 
received great attention during the subsequent years. 
Shortly after the initial release Lyrix was renamed to Lyx due to a name-
clash with some commercial software. In this course it was also GPL'd, 
which opened the project to the open-source community. 
Version 1.0.0 of the software was released in 1999. 
by the way, in Tübingen, my home town

Wolfgang

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Am Thursday, 22. August 2013, 09:18:09 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:19 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann
> 
>  wrote:
> > by the way, in Tübingen, my home town
> 
> Cool! :)
> 
> Scott

More to Matthias Ettrich:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthias_Ettrich

Wolfgang

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Pavel Sanda]

Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
> The history of LyX

http://www.lyx.org/misc/archaeology/

Pavel

Re: Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Pavel Sanda]

Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> Also note that Wikipedia's LyX page [1] lists the following:
> LyX 0.7.0 was released on October 24, 1995.

That's derived from in depth searching I did few years back
and put on the page posted in my previous mail.

BTW David, do you still have somewhere stored any pre 0.7 source code
or announcement messages?

Pavel

Re: Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Liviu Andronic]

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:49 AM, David L. Johnson  wrote:
> at one time, and used Motif widgets).  It was originally called "LyriX",
> but Matthais got a letter from a lawyer about that, so he changed the name.
>
According to Matthias: "The idea to simply strip the name down to LyX
came from David Johnson."

Was it so? :)

Liviu

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Am Thursday, 22. August 2013, 10:43:55 schrieb Liviu Andronic:
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:49 AM, David L. Johnson  
wrote:
> > at one time, and used Motif widgets).  It was originally called
> > "LyriX", but Matthais got a letter from a lawyer about that, so he
> > changed the name.
> 
> According to Matthias: "The idea to simply strip the name down to LyX
> came from David Johnson."
> 
> Was it so? :)
> 
> Liviu

I wonder how many man hours where saved in the meantime by having to write 
Lyx instead of Lyrix?

Wolfgang

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Liviu Andronic]

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann
 wrote:
> I wonder how many man hours where saved in the meantime by having to write
> Lyx instead of Lyrix?
>
What about the frustration from having to write LyX  instead of Lyx,
or even worse the following monstrosity: LyX/LaTeX, complete with the
mental tick to correctly pronounce [latek]? MiKTeX still gives me
shivers..

Liviu

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[David L. Johnson]

On 08/22/2013 03:42 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Scott Kostyshak wrote:

Also note that Wikipedia's LyX page [1] lists the following:
 LyX 0.7.0 was released on October 24, 1995.

That's derived from in depth searching I did few years back
and put on the page posted in my previous mail.

BTW David, do you still have somewhere stored any pre 0.7 source code
or announcement messages?

Not that I can find at the moment.  I can look on an older computer 
tonight (but it probably isn't old enough).  Of course, the 
announcements that were posted to usenet might still be findable.


I'll let you know if I find anything.

--

David L. Johnson

And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries,
and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove
mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. [1 Corinth. 13:2]

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[David L. Johnson]

On 08/22/2013 04:43 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:49 AM, David L. Johnson  wrote:

at one time, and used Motif widgets).  It was originally called "LyriX",
but Matthais got a letter from a lawyer about that, so he changed the name.


According to Matthias: "The idea to simply strip the name down to LyX
came from David Johnson."

Was it so? :)




If Matthais says so.  I remember the discussion --- between the two of 
us at the time, as I recall.  I did point out that the extension was 
already ".lyx".  He came up with the original name somehow wanting to 
link in a musical reference, which I suggested would also apply to LyX.


--

David L. Johnson

If all economists were laid end to end, they would not reach a
conclusion.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com]

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 09:26:39 +0200
Wolfgang Engelmann  wrote:

> Am Thursday, 22. August 2013, 09:18:09 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
> > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:19 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann
> > 
> >  wrote:
> > > by the way, in Tübingen, my home town
> > 
> > Cool! :)
> > 
> > Scott
> 
> More to Matthias Ettrich:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthias_Ettrich
> 
> Wolfgang

I give thanks to eternity that LyX wasn't made into a KDE app. My
business has banned all use of all KDE libraries, for stability's sake.
Qt's not bad, as a matter of fact Qt built apps seem easier to
configure, from my point of view, than Gtk built apps.

In the history of LyX, did anyone campaign for it to be a KDE app, and
if so, how was that (in my opinion mistake) prevented?


Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 22/08/13 20:42, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com a écrit :

In the history of LyX, did anyone campaign for it to be a KDE app, and
if so, how was that (in my opinion mistake) prevented?


This is KLyX, a fork attempted by Matthias without telling us. But we 
won in the end :)


JMarc

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com]

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 20:54:36 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes  wrote:

> Le 22/08/13 20:42, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com a écrit :
> > In the history of LyX, did anyone campaign for it to be a KDE app,
> > and if so, how was that (in my opinion mistake) prevented?
> 
> This is KLyX, a fork attempted by Matthias without telling us. But we 
> won in the end :)
> 
> JMarc

Yeah, now that you mention it, I remember KLyX. Thank you, thank you,
THANK YOU for winning that battle!

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[David L. Johnson]

On 08/22/2013 02:42 PM, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote:

Thursday, 22. August 2013, 09:18:09 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
I give thanks to eternity that LyX wasn't made into a KDE app. My
business has banned all use of all KDE libraries, for stability's sake.
Qt's not bad, as a matter of fact Qt built apps seem easier to
configure, from my point of view, than Gtk built apps.

In the history of LyX, did anyone campaign for it to be a KDE app, and
if so, how was that (in my opinion mistake) prevented?
Well, Matthais, as you know, started KDE, so this gets to be a delicate 
discussion.  IIRC, at that time LyX depended on the Xforms widgets 
(which was a step up from the original Motif in terms of programming, if 
not appearance).  Matthias did port LyX to the KDE project, as klyx, but 
that died out when lyx went with Qt.  KDE does still seem to be alive.


But LyX has now grown beyond the linux/unix base, and so these 
widget-set/desktop-environment distinctions are no longer important.


--

David L. Johnson

If all economists were laid end to end, they would not reach a
conclusion.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Jerry]

On Aug 21, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Les Denham  wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:13:23 -0700
> Jerry  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Les Denham  wrote:
>> 
>>> My general approach to  getting a LyX document into Word format is
>>> to us the LyXHTML export, import the exported file into
>>> LibreOffice, fix the inevitable problems, and save in DOCX format.
>> 
>> How do you import the XHTML from LyXHTML into LibreOffice? When I try
>> it, I see only raw text; it is not rendered. I let the file dialog
>> display all files and assumed that the .xhtml file extension would
>> tell LO what to do but obviously this did not happen.
>> 
> Jerry,
> 
> One of the inevitable problems. Try changing the .xhtml file extension
> to .html. I think you can also delve into the advanced settings of
> LibreOffice to tell it to treat .xhtml files as HTML.
> 
> Les

Les, thanks for that tip, but it didn't change anything--still raw text, either 
with a document with a few equations (and thus MathML in the XHTML file) or 
just a simple file containing only the word "Hello".

FWIW, when I do open the (x)html file, I get a dialog asking for Character set 
(default = UTF-8), Default fonts (default = Times New Roman), Language (default 
= English (US)) and Paragraph break (default = LF). I accepted all the 
defaults. So it looks at that point like something is about to happen, but then 
I see only raw text. 

I also looked at Tools -> Options -> Load/Save -> HTML Compatibility but didn't 
see anything relevant.

Jerry

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Alan L Tyree]

On 23/08/13 10:26, Jerry wrote:

On Aug 21, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Les Denham  wrote:


On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:13:23 -0700
Jerry  wrote:


On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Les Denham  wrote:


My general approach to  getting a LyX document into Word format is
to us the LyXHTML export, import the exported file into
LibreOffice, fix the inevitable problems, and save in DOCX format.

How do you import the XHTML from LyXHTML into LibreOffice? When I try
it, I see only raw text; it is not rendered. I let the file dialog
display all files and assumed that the .xhtml file extension would
tell LO what to do but obviously this did not happen.


Jerry,

One of the inevitable problems. Try changing the .xhtml file extension
to .html. I think you can also delve into the advanced settings of
LibreOffice to tell it to treat .xhtml files as HTML.

Les

Les, thanks for that tip, but it didn't change anything--still raw text, either with a 
document with a few equations (and thus MathML in the XHTML file) or just a simple file 
containing only the word "Hello".

FWIW, when I do open the (x)html file, I get a dialog asking for Character set 
(default = UTF-8), Default fonts (default = Times New Roman), Language (default 
= English (US)) and Paragraph break (default = LF). I accepted all the 
defaults. So it looks at that point like something is about to happen, but then 
I see only raw text.

I also looked at Tools -> Options -> Load/Save -> HTML Compatibility but didn't 
see anything relevant.

Jerry
Open the HTML file in a text editor and remove the first line, ie, version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>


It should then open in LibreOffice.

Cheers,
Alan

--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206  sip:typh...@iptel.org

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Les Denham]

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:13:23 -0700
Jerry lancebo...@qwest.net wrote:

 
 On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org wrote:
 
  My general approach to  getting a LyX document into Word format is
  to us the LyXHTML export, import the exported file into
  LibreOffice, fix the inevitable problems, and save in DOCX format.
 
 How do you import the XHTML from LyXHTML into LibreOffice? When I try
 it, I see only raw text; it is not rendered. I let the file dialog
 display all files and assumed that the .xhtml file extension would
 tell LO what to do but obviously this did not happen.
 
Jerry,

One of the inevitable problems. Try changing the .xhtml file extension
to .html. I think you can also delve into the advanced settings of
LibreOffice to tell it to treat .xhtml files as HTML.

Les

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[stefano franchi]

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote:


 Since all the typographic algorithms of TeX (linebreaking etc.) are
 well-documented open-source, I always wondered why none of the more
 reasonable document processors has ever implemented them. Wordperfect
 could have been a killer application like that. Their structure markup
 concept was so well done that they were even able to implement an XML
 editor using the WP GUI.


I believe that's what Adobe did with InDesign---they took Knuth's
page-building algorithm and adapted it.


BTW, not to tamper enthusiasms, but the standard output of LaTeX/TeX is
not quite (yet) at the level that a professional typesetter would produce.
And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so. Lyx's
(Latex's) output is almost there, and it is infinitely better than what
Word or LIbreOffice would produce, but it still noticeably worse than what
you see in well made books. Things like page-balancing, micro-adjustments,
etc., are still very hard to do in Latex. The out of the box standard
output that you get before you start tampering with countless LaTeX
commands is good, but not excellent. Publishers who can afford
professional typesetters are better off asking their authors to deliver
Word files, then import that into InDesign, and let the pros do their
jobs.And typesetters do not use LaTex (by and large).
On the other hand, there are now publishing houses (especially in the
Humanities) that go to press directly from Word output...


Cheers,

Stefano



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__
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Associate Research Professor
Department of Hispanic StudiesPh:   +1 (979) 845-2125
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College Station, Texas, USA

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Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Wolfgang Keller]

 BTW, not to tamper enthusiasms, but the standard output of
 LaTeX/TeX is not quite (yet) at the level that a professional
 typesetter would produce.

Obviously, an experienced competent human being will (almost) always be
able to deliver better results than *any* algorithm.

But since I am a non-typographer myself and since there is no money to
pay one nor the time for him to do his/her work, manual typesetting is
not an available option in my case (technical reports, sent out via
email and printed on office printers on A4 paper).

Personally I'm already infinitely grateful that I can now use
microtype with OTF fonts, since I don't like CM/LM *at all* and
microtype has essentially eliminated that fiddling with
overfull/underfull errors.

Besides, I tend to need italic small caps for my texts (lots of
acronyms), which no pure LaTeX typeface has anyway afaik. Well,
Libertine maybe? EB Garamond would have them, but that one doesn't have
a semibold yet.

 And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so. 

The first public LyX version was when? Can't have been much longer
than 10 years ago.

 Things like page-balancing, micro-adjustments, etc., are still very
 hard to do in Latex. 

E.g. typesetting multiple (2) columns to a fixed baseline-grid seems to
be impossible. Apparently this would be a must for magazines printed
on thin A4 paper.

 The out of the box standard output that you get before you start
 tampering with countless LaTeX commands is good, but not excellent.
 Publishers who can afford professional typesetters are better off
 asking their authors to deliver Word files, then import that into
 InDesign, and let the pros do their jobs. And typesetters do not use
 LaTex (by and large).

Probably because it's not the typesetters themselves who decide about
their own worktools...?

 On the other hand, there are now publishing houses (especially in the
 Humanities) that go to press directly from Word output...

I wouldn't read that if you paid me for it by the hour. Well, at a
rate of 100 EUR/h maybe.

Since I've started to use LyX/LaTeX, whenever I look at a PDF or printed
copy of the crap that Word produced from my hard labour (input), I
almost cry. Such a lot of work for nothing, (almost) no one ever read
those tens of thousand of pages that I wrote over all those years, just
because it *is* unreadable.

Word should be outlawed. Heck, it *is* outlawed within the European
Community (due to non-compliance with software ergonomics regulations),
but what manager cares.

A cute combination for some applications would be something like Scribus
for the page layout and LyX to edit the content of the text, then let
LaTeX do the line- and page-breaking of the individual columns. Scribus
knows frames with content rendered by outside programs and among
others it allows to embed LaTeX PDF output in these, but I haven't tried
it yet.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[stefano franchi]

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote:


  And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so.

 The first public LyX version was when? Can't have been much longer
 than 10 years ago.


Way earlier than that. I switched to Lyx after I completed my dissertation
(which I wrote in Framemaker, on a NeXt cube. Boy am I old!). I defended in
1997...

Cheers,

Stefano


-- 
__
Stefano Franchi
Associate Research Professor
Department of Hispanic StudiesPh:   +1 (979) 845-2125
Texas AM University  Fax:  +1 (979) 845-6421
College Station, Texas, USA

stef...@tamu.edu
http://stefano.cleinias.org

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 6:53 PM, stefano franchi
stefano.fran...@gmail.com wrote:
  And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so.

 The first public LyX version was when? Can't have been much longer
 than 10 years ago.

 Way earlier than that. I switched to Lyx after I completed my dissertation
 (which I wrote in Framemaker, on a NeXt cube. Boy am I old!). I defended in
 1997...

I can see at least the 1.1.1 release in Oct 1999:
http://git.lyx.org/?p=lyx.git;a=commitdiff;h=refs/tags/1.1.1 . There
might have been something earlier, but this is already 14 years ago.
Also, the copyright notice states LyX is Copyright (C) 1995 by
Matthias Ettrich,
1995--2013 LyX Team.

Stefano, you must have been one of the very early adopters.

Liviu

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[stefano franchi]

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 6:53 PM, stefano franchi
 stefano.fran...@gmail.com wrote:
   And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so.
 
  The first public LyX version was when? Can't have been much longer
  than 10 years ago.
 
  Way earlier than that. I switched to Lyx after I completed my
 dissertation
  (which I wrote in Framemaker, on a NeXt cube. Boy am I old!). I defended
 in
  1997...
 
 I can see at least the 1.1.1 release in Oct 1999:
 http://git.lyx.org/?p=lyx.git;a=commitdiff;h=refs/tags/1.1.1 . There
 might have been something earlier, but this is already 14 years ago.
 Also, the copyright notice states LyX is Copyright (C) 1995 by
 Matthias Ettrich,
 1995--2013 LyX Team.

 Stefano, you must have been one of the very early adopters.



Well, I may be off 1 year. I do remember I started using Lyx after my
degree but before I left Stanford for New Zealand. So that's between June
'97 and Dec '99.

Do I get a cookie?

S.


-- 
__
Stefano Franchi
Associate Research Professor
Department of Hispanic StudiesPh:   +1 (979) 845-2125
Texas AM University  Fax:  +1 (979) 845-6421
College Station, Texas, USA

stef...@tamu.edu
http://stefano.cleinias.org

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Chris Menzel]

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:53 AM, stefano franchi stefano.fran...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.netwrote:


  And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so.

 The first public LyX version was when? Can't have been much longer
 than 10 years ago.


 Way earlier than that. I switched to Lyx after I completed my dissertation
 (which I wrote in Framemaker, on a NeXt cube.


I've been using LyX since 2000 or so but didn't start using it seriously
until they implemented the ability to open multiple panes and windows on a
single buffer — lack of that feature had been a dealbreaker that kept me
with Emacs+auctex. Since then, however, I've used it for nearly all of my
papers and presentations. It's really superb software, especially for
longtime LaTeX users.

 Boy am I old!). I defended in 1997...


Oh please... :-)

-chris

Fwd: Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[David L. Johnson]

 Original Message 
Subject:Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor
Date:   Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:22:19 -0400
From:   David L. Johnson david.john...@lehigh.edu
To: Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net



On 08/21/2013 11:45 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote:



 And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so.

 The first public LyX version was when? Can't have been much longer
 than 10 years ago.

I just checked, and found a copy of an old webpage I used to maintain
for it.  (I also used to provide binaries that had Motif statically
linked for those who did not have Motif -- LyX/LyriX was linux/unix only
at one time, and used Motif widgets).  It was originally called LyriX,
but Matthais got a letter from a lawyer about that, so he changed the name.

The date I have on that old webpage is February, 1999.  But, looking at
that file, by that time things were pretty far along.  Several
developers were working on it, and it was far more advanced than the
first versions.  So, the original versions must have been in the
mid-'90s, believe it or not.

And I have been using it for all of my writing since the first versions.

--

David L. Johnson

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by
little statesmen and philosophers and divines.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson



--

David L. Johnson
Department of Mathematics
Lehigh University

Re: Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:49 PM, David L. Johnson d...@lehigh.edu wrote:


  Original Message   Subject: Re: Question: Using LyX as
 your daily word processor  Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:22:19 -0400  From: David
 L. Johnson david.john...@lehigh.edu david.john...@lehigh.edu  To: Wolfgang
 Keller felip...@gmx.net felip...@gmx.net

 I just checked, and found a copy of an old webpage I used to maintain
 for it.  (I also used to provide binaries that had Motif statically
 linked for those who did not have Motif -- LyX/LyriX was linux/unix only
 at one time, and used Motif widgets).  It was originally called LyriX,
 but Matthais got a letter from a lawyer about that, so he changed the name.

 The date I have on that old webpage is February, 1999.  But, looking at
 that file, by that time things were pretty far along.  Several
 developers were working on it, and it was far more advanced than the
 first versions.  So, the original versions must have been in the
 mid-'90s, believe it or not.

 And I have been using it for all of my writing since the first versions.

 --

 David L. Johnson

 A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by
 little statesmen and philosophers and divines.
   --Ralph Waldo Emerson


Interesting stories. Here is the history wiki page (which is in need of an
update from you LyX veterans before you lose your memory!):
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/History

Also note that Wikipedia's LyX page [1] lists the following:
LyX 0.7.0 was released on October 24, 1995.

Scott

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LyX

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Les Denham]

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:13:23 -0700
Jerry lancebo...@qwest.net wrote:

 
 On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Les Denham lden...@hal-pc.org wrote:
 
  My general approach to  getting a LyX document into Word format is
  to us the LyXHTML export, import the exported file into
  LibreOffice, fix the inevitable problems, and save in DOCX format.
 
 How do you import the XHTML from LyXHTML into LibreOffice? When I try
 it, I see only raw text; it is not rendered. I let the file dialog
 display all files and assumed that the .xhtml file extension would
 tell LO what to do but obviously this did not happen.
 
Jerry,

One of the inevitable problems. Try changing the .xhtml file extension
to .html. I think you can also delve into the advanced settings of
LibreOffice to tell it to treat .xhtml files as HTML.

Les

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[stefano franchi]

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote:


 Since all the typographic algorithms of TeX (linebreaking etc.) are
 well-documented open-source, I always wondered why none of the more
 reasonable document processors has ever implemented them. Wordperfect
 could have been a killer application like that. Their structure markup
 concept was so well done that they were even able to implement an XML
 editor using the WP GUI.


I believe that's what Adobe did with InDesign---they took Knuth's
page-building algorithm and adapted it.


BTW, not to tamper enthusiasms, but the standard output of LaTeX/TeX is
not quite (yet) at the level that a professional typesetter would produce.
And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so. Lyx's
(Latex's) output is almost there, and it is infinitely better than what
Word or LIbreOffice would produce, but it still noticeably worse than what
you see in well made books. Things like page-balancing, micro-adjustments,
etc., are still very hard to do in Latex. The out of the box standard
output that you get before you start tampering with countless LaTeX
commands is good, but not excellent. Publishers who can afford
professional typesetters are better off asking their authors to deliver
Word files, then import that into InDesign, and let the pros do their
jobs.And typesetters do not use LaTex (by and large).
On the other hand, there are now publishing houses (especially in the
Humanities) that go to press directly from Word output...


Cheers,

Stefano



-- 
__
Stefano Franchi
Associate Research Professor
Department of Hispanic StudiesPh:   +1 (979) 845-2125
Texas AM University  Fax:  +1 (979) 845-6421
College Station, Texas, USA

stef...@tamu.edu
http://stefano.cleinias.org

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Wolfgang Keller]

 BTW, not to tamper enthusiasms, but the standard output of
 LaTeX/TeX is not quite (yet) at the level that a professional
 typesetter would produce.

Obviously, an experienced competent human being will (almost) always be
able to deliver better results than *any* algorithm.

But since I am a non-typographer myself and since there is no money to
pay one nor the time for him to do his/her work, manual typesetting is
not an available option in my case (technical reports, sent out via
email and printed on office printers on A4 paper).

Personally I'm already infinitely grateful that I can now use
microtype with OTF fonts, since I don't like CM/LM *at all* and
microtype has essentially eliminated that fiddling with
overfull/underfull errors.

Besides, I tend to need italic small caps for my texts (lots of
acronyms), which no pure LaTeX typeface has anyway afaik. Well,
Libertine maybe? EB Garamond would have them, but that one doesn't have
a semibold yet.

 And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so. 

The first public LyX version was when? Can't have been much longer
than 10 years ago.

 Things like page-balancing, micro-adjustments, etc., are still very
 hard to do in Latex. 

E.g. typesetting multiple (2) columns to a fixed baseline-grid seems to
be impossible. Apparently this would be a must for magazines printed
on thin A4 paper.

 The out of the box standard output that you get before you start
 tampering with countless LaTeX commands is good, but not excellent.
 Publishers who can afford professional typesetters are better off
 asking their authors to deliver Word files, then import that into
 InDesign, and let the pros do their jobs. And typesetters do not use
 LaTex (by and large).

Probably because it's not the typesetters themselves who decide about
their own worktools...?

 On the other hand, there are now publishing houses (especially in the
 Humanities) that go to press directly from Word output...

I wouldn't read that if you paid me for it by the hour. Well, at a
rate of 100 EUR/h maybe.

Since I've started to use LyX/LaTeX, whenever I look at a PDF or printed
copy of the crap that Word produced from my hard labour (input), I
almost cry. Such a lot of work for nothing, (almost) no one ever read
those tens of thousand of pages that I wrote over all those years, just
because it *is* unreadable.

Word should be outlawed. Heck, it *is* outlawed within the European
Community (due to non-compliance with software ergonomics regulations),
but what manager cares.

A cute combination for some applications would be something like Scribus
for the page layout and LyX to edit the content of the text, then let
LaTeX do the line- and page-breaking of the individual columns. Scribus
knows frames with content rendered by outside programs and among
others it allows to embed LaTeX PDF output in these, but I haven't tried
it yet.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[stefano franchi]

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote:


  And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so.

 The first public LyX version was when? Can't have been much longer
 than 10 years ago.


Way earlier than that. I switched to Lyx after I completed my dissertation
(which I wrote in Framemaker, on a NeXt cube. Boy am I old!). I defended in
1997...

Cheers,

Stefano


-- 
__
Stefano Franchi
Associate Research Professor
Department of Hispanic StudiesPh:   +1 (979) 845-2125
Texas AM University  Fax:  +1 (979) 845-6421
College Station, Texas, USA

stef...@tamu.edu
http://stefano.cleinias.org

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 6:53 PM, stefano franchi
stefano.fran...@gmail.com wrote:
  And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so.

 The first public LyX version was when? Can't have been much longer
 than 10 years ago.

 Way earlier than that. I switched to Lyx after I completed my dissertation
 (which I wrote in Framemaker, on a NeXt cube. Boy am I old!). I defended in
 1997...

I can see at least the 1.1.1 release in Oct 1999:
http://git.lyx.org/?p=lyx.git;a=commitdiff;h=refs/tags/1.1.1 . There
might have been something earlier, but this is already 14 years ago.
Also, the copyright notice states LyX is Copyright (C) 1995 by
Matthias Ettrich,
1995--2013 LyX Team.

Stefano, you must have been one of the very early adopters.

Liviu

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[stefano franchi]

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 6:53 PM, stefano franchi
 stefano.fran...@gmail.com wrote:
   And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so.
 
  The first public LyX version was when? Can't have been much longer
  than 10 years ago.
 
  Way earlier than that. I switched to Lyx after I completed my
 dissertation
  (which I wrote in Framemaker, on a NeXt cube. Boy am I old!). I defended
 in
  1997...
 
 I can see at least the 1.1.1 release in Oct 1999:
 http://git.lyx.org/?p=lyx.git;a=commitdiff;h=refs/tags/1.1.1 . There
 might have been something earlier, but this is already 14 years ago.
 Also, the copyright notice states LyX is Copyright (C) 1995 by
 Matthias Ettrich,
 1995--2013 LyX Team.

 Stefano, you must have been one of the very early adopters.



Well, I may be off 1 year. I do remember I started using Lyx after my
degree but before I left Stanford for New Zealand. So that's between June
'97 and Dec '99.

Do I get a cookie?

S.


-- 
__
Stefano Franchi
Associate Research Professor
Department of Hispanic StudiesPh:   +1 (979) 845-2125
Texas AM University  Fax:  +1 (979) 845-6421
College Station, Texas, USA

stef...@tamu.edu
http://stefano.cleinias.org

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Chris Menzel]

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:53 AM, stefano franchi stefano.fran...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.netwrote:


  And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so.

 The first public LyX version was when? Can't have been much longer
 than 10 years ago.


 Way earlier than that. I switched to Lyx after I completed my dissertation
 (which I wrote in Framemaker, on a NeXt cube.


I've been using LyX since 2000 or so but didn't start using it seriously
until they implemented the ability to open multiple panes and windows on a
single buffer — lack of that feature had been a dealbreaker that kept me
with Emacs+auctex. Since then, however, I've used it for nearly all of my
papers and presentations. It's really superb software, especially for
longtime LaTeX users.

 Boy am I old!). I defended in 1997...


Oh please... :-)

-chris

Fwd: Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[David L. Johnson]

 Original Message 
Subject:Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor
Date:   Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:22:19 -0400
From:   David L. Johnson david.john...@lehigh.edu
To: Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net



On 08/21/2013 11:45 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote:



 And I say this as a LyX-only writer for the past 15 years or so.

 The first public LyX version was when? Can't have been much longer
 than 10 years ago.

I just checked, and found a copy of an old webpage I used to maintain
for it.  (I also used to provide binaries that had Motif statically
linked for those who did not have Motif -- LyX/LyriX was linux/unix only
at one time, and used Motif widgets).  It was originally called LyriX,
but Matthais got a letter from a lawyer about that, so he changed the name.

The date I have on that old webpage is February, 1999.  But, looking at
that file, by that time things were pretty far along.  Several
developers were working on it, and it was far more advanced than the
first versions.  So, the original versions must have been in the
mid-'90s, believe it or not.

And I have been using it for all of my writing since the first versions.

--

David L. Johnson

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by
little statesmen and philosophers and divines.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson



--

David L. Johnson
Department of Mathematics
Lehigh University

Re: Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:49 PM, David L. Johnson d...@lehigh.edu wrote:


  Original Message   Subject: Re: Question: Using LyX as
 your daily word processor  Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:22:19 -0400  From: David
 L. Johnson david.john...@lehigh.edu david.john...@lehigh.edu  To: Wolfgang
 Keller felip...@gmx.net felip...@gmx.net

 I just checked, and found a copy of an old webpage I used to maintain
 for it.  (I also used to provide binaries that had Motif statically
 linked for those who did not have Motif -- LyX/LyriX was linux/unix only
 at one time, and used Motif widgets).  It was originally called LyriX,
 but Matthais got a letter from a lawyer about that, so he changed the name.

 The date I have on that old webpage is February, 1999.  But, looking at
 that file, by that time things were pretty far along.  Several
 developers were working on it, and it was far more advanced than the
 first versions.  So, the original versions must have been in the
 mid-'90s, believe it or not.

 And I have been using it for all of my writing since the first versions.

 --

 David L. Johnson

 A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by
 little statesmen and philosophers and divines.
   --Ralph Waldo Emerson


Interesting stories. Here is the history wiki page (which is in need of an
update from you LyX veterans before you lose your memory!):
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/History

Also note that Wikipedia's LyX page [1] lists the following:
LyX 0.7.0 was released on October 24, 1995.

Scott

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LyX

Re: Question: Using LyX as your daily word processor

[Les Denham]

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:13:23 -0700
Jerry  wrote:

> 
> On Aug 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Les Denham  wrote:
> 
> > My general approach to  getting a LyX document into Word format is
> > to us the LyXHTML export, import the exported file into
> > LibreOffice, fix the inevitable problems, and save in DOCX format.
> 
> How do you import the XHTML from LyXHTML into LibreOffice? When I try
> it, I see only raw text; it is not rendered. I let the file dialog
> display all files and assumed that the .xhtml file extension would
> tell LO what to do but obviously this did not happen.
> 
Jerry,

One of the inevitable problems. Try changing the .xhtml file extension
to .html. I think you can also delve into the advanced settings of
LibreOffice to tell it to treat .xhtml files as HTML.

Les