Re: [maemo-developers] neat device
Hi all, this is my first message in the ML, but I currently follow #maemo on irc... I hope not to miss, but if Kalle comes from Nokia (.fi suffix is rather common on this mailinglist...), I'd like only to say that sometime Nokia People is too much easily offended. I'm speaking for myself, now, and I think that nobody (well, sometimes it happens, but I think it's rare...) wants to downplay the work done! On 3/30/06, John Meacham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip memory rant and offensive remarks about the VKB] So I whipped up a little X keyboard which uses a more reasonable tens of k of RAM, So you whipped up handwriting and word prediction too? How cool! (hint: if you start dissing something, please at least look at its features before calling it demeaning names) I feel that sometimes we should try to stay much collaborative as possible. This is a great device, IMHO far the best portable MM device ever done, with some well guessed characteristics (dimensions, display, battery...) and a distinctive remark: most of the software is open source. I personally some time to spend programming on it, and I wasn't enjoying myself so much since Commodore64/Spectrum time... Always IMHO, it could really be a killer device! But in order to let it be what it really deserves, we have to admit also its limits. And in this sense, the VKB is one of this limit, sorry to say. I know that 770 born to be an Internet Tablet, but the truth is that it is a well done device ideal also for PIM. I am working with my installed GPE and it is a nice device to carry always around. The biggest lack is the absence of an alarm framework, and I followed the thread sometime ago about it with a lot of interest, and I am waiting for this implementation, that could lead to a big jump ahead! So again, just my 2c: the VKB has a HWR that really sucks. I tried many times to use it, but ever switched back to the on-screen keyboard, because recognition simple doesn't work well, and the capability to be trained is too little. The word completion, IMHO, is totally useless. For me it's more a disturb than something usefule, because it littles the spacebar, and often add some letters that I really didn't want to type instead of a space. Another bigger limit is the amount of internal ram: so why not to have a simplified hildon-input method that free lot of ram for people who doesn't need the HWR (that I repeat, at the moment is totally useless for me), simply selectable via control panel? I hope not to have offended anyone, Nokia guys you did a great work with this tablet, it's a revolutionary product that I like a lot and I personally already convinced 4 friends of mine to buy one simply showing it 10 mins showing what it was capable to do (any commission or reward for this?), just go ahead on this road... But please try also to hear we user when we complains, because sometime we don't complain for nothing, and I repeat I think that nobody wants to downplay your work. I personally thank you for that! Regards, Michele ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] USB Headset for VOIP?
Title: [maemo-developers] USB Headset for VOIP? HI, My colleagues have tried logitech usb headset 350,it works very well. -John ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] jhbuild of maemo in scratchbox?
A few months ago I tried using jhbuild inside scratchbox, so I wouldn't have to install all the right versions of the autotools, and play with the environment variables for a separate prefix. I didn't get very far, though I forget the exact errors. I'm trying it again now. Has anyone got this working already? Does anyone already have a suitable jhbuild .modules file? -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] OGG support
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Juha Yrjölä wrote: On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 13:53 +0100, ext Koen Kooi wrote: What's nokia's position on EABI[1]? At least this part of Nokia thinks that EABI is cool. It seems you have company*: http://lists.debian.org/debian-arm/2006/03/msg00058.html regards, Koen *pun intended -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEK58bMkyGM64RGpERAnW3AKCMnxmEEy7GlPASKqLXtKYicyrA4gCfTzI9 Kfh63qQkSTfhWn04DNxN1i4= =3pxR -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] neat device
Great post Michele :) Another bigger limit is the amount of internal ram: so why not to have a simplified hildon-input method that free lot of ram for people who doesn't need the HWR (that I repeat, at the moment is totally useless for me), simply selectable via control panel? I also wouldn't mind having this functionality. Or, how bad can it be if we had some way to replace the vkb app with something else? I don't care if it won't have HWR or even letters on the vkeys :P this tablet, it's a revolutionary product that I like a lot and I personally already convinced 4 friends of mine to buy one simply showing it 10 mins showing what it was capable to do (any commission or reward I myself am one of three friends (one of us didn't even see the device IRL) who got convinced by a friend, and he was using the device mostly for ebooks. -- Kemal ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] neat device
ext John Meacham wrote: I got my nokia 770 the other day and love it. I have already started porting stuff and am happy to say my jhc haskell compiler can cross compile to maemo just fine. In any case, looking at the memory usage, hildon-input-method takes up a whopping 6.3 megs of real ram along with a decent chunk of x resources as reported by xrestop. This seems like an absurd amount for the little pretty cruddy (no offense) onscreen keyboard. it is the second largest user of memory after the desktop itself! It was optimized mainly for speed, nobody wants to write with a slow one. It is hard to make a gtk-themable keyboard in that size without using some memory and still be fast. What was your method of looking memory usage? I have Massif graphs of IM taking ~3 MB at max. So I whipped up a little X keyboard which uses a more reasonable tens of k of RAM, and want to know the absolute shortest path to replacing the built in input method with it. I know I have to create a gtk-immodule, but can't find documentation anywhere about how to do that or how to get rid of hildon-input-method once I create my gtk-immodule. I am very familier with low level X11 programming, but not so much with gtk specifics. Also, what keeps respawning the hildon-input-method? I can kill it remotely and bask in the extra 6 megs of RAM for a few seconds before it restarts without me ever trying to actually use the input method. in any case, neat device. I hope to modify my 'emap' program http://repetae.net/john/computer/emap/ to provide support for the fullscreen and menu buttons for arbitrary non-hildonized apps along with keyboard support as I often use it as an X terminal to run remote applications. emap also can figure out what program is currently running so you can have a custom keyboard layout for each program. (xterm in particular could benefit from a custom layout with nice big ^C and ^D buttons :) ) any pointers would be appreciated. John // Tapani ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] WLAN and bluetooth modem on at the same time?
Teemu Harju [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it somehow possible to use the WLAN and bluetooth modem with my phone at the same time on Nokia 770? The UI doesn't seem to allow this, but are there some scripts that I could run from Xterm to achieve this? My idea would be to use the Nokia 770 as a gateway from ad-hoc WLAN to public Internet via 3G. I'd probably need to make some changes to the routing tables also, but that I think I could figure those out if I got both connections up. Yes, that's possible if you are willing to do some hacking. You could first establish the 3G connection normally from the UI and then setup the WLAN network manually: ifconfig wlan0 up iwconfig wlan0 mode Ad-Hoc essid mynetwork After this you need to setup NAT and routing. You can find iwconfig from the wireless-tools debian package. -- Kalle Valo ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] WLAN and bluetooth modem on at the same time?
Thanks... that is probably the easier way. I was kind of trying to do it the hard way by establishing the 3G connection manually. How stupid of me.- Teemu2006/3/30, Kalle Valo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:Teemu Harju [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it somehow possible to use the WLAN and bluetooth modem with my phone at the same time on Nokia 770? The UI doesn't seem to allow this, but are there some scripts that I could run from Xterm to achieve this? My idea would be to use the Nokia 770 as a gateway from ad-hoc WLAN to public Internet via 3G. I'd probably need to make some changes to the routing tables also, but that I think I could figure those out if I got both connections up.Yes, that's possible if you are willing to do some hacking. You couldfirst establish the 3G connection normally from the UI and then setup the WLAN network manually:ifconfig wlan0 upiwconfig wlan0 mode Ad-Hoc essid mynetworkAfter this you need to setup NAT and routing. You can find iwconfigfrom the wireless-tools debian package. --Kalle Valo-- Teemu Harjuhttp://www.teemuharju.net ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] neat device (input method)
Hi, ext John Meacham wrote: In any case, looking at the memory usage, hildon-input-method takes up a whopping 6.3 megs of real ram That's just RSS. Most of that is Gtk libraries and their dependencies shared with all the other applications on the device. VmData VmStk values from /proc/IM PID/status file give a slightly more accurate value of what RAM is private to input method. It's still a lot, but not even near 6Mb... along with a decent chunk of x resources as reported by xrestop. Xrestop reports 314KB of Pixmaps for the input method, but once I close it, only 96KB remains. I think that is the Gtk scratchbuffer (i.e. reserved by Gtk, not input method) as I can see it also in /proc/sysvipc/shm file. I know I have to create a gtk-immodule, but can't find documentation anywhere about how to do that or how to get rid of hildon-input-method once I create my gtk-immodule. I am very familier with low level X11 programming, but not so much with gtk specifics. I don't think you need to do the Gtk IM-module, I think the IM module communicates with the keyboard using X messages (i.e. your X11 expertise will actually help :-)). The target input method window seems to be told here: # xprop -root|grep HILDON _HILDON_IM_WINDOW(WINDOW): window id # 0xc3 Also, what keeps respawning the hildon-input-method? I can kill it remotely and bask in the extra 6 megs of RAM for a few seconds before it restarts without me ever trying to actually use the input method. See into: /etc/osso-af-init/keyboard.sh It's started with a watchdog. - Eero ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Apologies
Hi, My apologies for how things went yesterday. It was at no time my intention to say anyone is lying. I have new roles here since just recently and sometimes I am trying different approach tactics. This one was a definite failure, especially in the middle of a release. I am proud of the 770 and its team. Proud of Nokia. I would never want to hurt Maemo. Best Regards, -- Philippe Laporte Software Gatespace Telematics Första Långgatan 18 41328 Göteborg Sweden Phone: +46 702 04 35 11 Fax: +46 31 24 16 50 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: Measuring power consumption of 770
Interesting ... frankly nothing new to me, but it is a good start point that proves how it is possible to have good performances even with low power devices. Next week i probably won't be able to reply to anything, however soonish Maemo designing/coding guidelines will be available, and i hope we'll have some discussion about battery-friendly drivers/applications. igor On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 19:40 -0500, ext Larry Battraw wrote: Ok Igor, you finally motivated me to do some measurements :-) All measurements were done with a .1 ohm resistor (measured as .0924 ohms using the 4-wire method) and a HP 3456A 6.5 digit voltmeter. The meter was set to the slowest (most accurate) sampling rate, performing the calculations on-the-fly for the Ohm's law derived current. I did _not_ measure battery voltage, so wattage calculations are not possible. This shouldn't be a big deal as the current will give a good indication of what the device is doing at the time. I've attached a CSV file of the spreadsheet for results. I tried to hit most of the use cases people might be interested in, and everything is pretty impressive except for leaving MP3 files paused in the media player, which consumes over 10 times the normal current while sleeping. Larry On 3/29/06, Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 11:31 -0500, ext Larry Battraw wrote: I would advocate building a dummy battery out of a piece of wood/plastic with a small piece of copper clad board (split into three pads) to act as the contacts of the battery. You can then run wires from those to the real battery, passing it through whatever resistor/sensing equipment you want. As soon as you try measuring what goes into the DC jack you're then including whatever losses incurred by the DC-DC conversion from 5V to whatever used internally, as well as issues around having it potentially trying to charge the battery at the same time you're measuring. That, and Igor as much as said that things could behave differently based on whether it detects wall/DC power vs. battery power alone. Honestly, at this point you probably could have built a couple rigs for measuring power from the battery in all the time that has been spent discussing it. :-) Larry On 3/21/06, Frantisek Dufka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I was not thinking about measuring at the mains plug. I was thinking about measuring at the n770 side (5V?) because it is a bit easier then opening the device and messing with battery pins. Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers did anybody produce anything? I was hoping that the discussion would bring some interest to the fabulous world of power management also amongst other developers ... -- Cheers, Igor Igor Stoppa (Nokia M - OSSO / Tampere) -- Cheers, Igor Igor Stoppa (Nokia M - OSSO / Tampere) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] neat device
On 3/30/06, John Meacham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip memory rant and offensive remarks about the VKB] So I whipped up a little X keyboard which uses a more reasonable tens of k of RAM, So you whipped up handwriting and word prediction too? How cool! (hint: if you start dissing something, please at least look at its features before calling it demeaning names) I agree that the current keyboard has a lot of features, but personally I never use the handwriting or word prediction, so I'd be interested in a lighter-weight alternative. -- Chris Bare [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] neat device
On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Chris Bare did have cause to say: On 3/30/06, John Meacham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip memory rant and offensive remarks about the VKB] So I whipped up a little X keyboard which uses a more reasonable tens of k of RAM, So you whipped up handwriting and word prediction too? How cool! (hint: if you start dissing something, please at least look at its features before calling it demeaning names) I agree that the current keyboard has a lot of features, but personally I never use the handwriting or word prediction, so I'd be interested in a lighter-weight alternative. Me too. (I had a fairly long response that I decided not to send, suffice it to say my use-case is VKB or bluetooth, with periodic out-of-mem crashes mixed in for fun. And I support our new open-source overlords :) .. seriously, it would be really nice to have multiple choices. I'd love, for example, to put the numbers and menus on the same side so that I could use it with minimal wrist movement. And I'd kill for an unshifted '-'.) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] New Software Version
Hi All, Does anyone have a date on when Nokia expects to release the next version of the software? I've seen Q1 2006 a few places, but I'm curious if anyone has any more concrete information. Thanks, -Adam ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: neat device
On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 10:58 -0500, Ted Zlatanov wrote: - Origami-style keyboard (radial from a corner, probably better under Fitt's law) - see the billion preview pics for a sample Fitt's law only applies for mice, and the Origami keyboard appears to be designed for use by thumbs. Ross -- Ross Burton mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.burtonini.com./ PGP Fingerprint: 1A21 F5B0 D8D0 CFE3 81D4 E25A 2D09 E447 D0B4 33DF ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] New Software Version
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Flegg wrote: On 3/30/06, Peter Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have a date on when Nokia expects to release the next version of the software? I've seen Q1 2006 a few places, but I'm curious if anyone has any more concrete information. Nope. [...] Although it would be nice if they'd start releasing some alphas of the corresponding Maemo release [...] Especially since there are API changes and the Application Installer is not going to be backwards compatible. As well as a complete new ABI by the looks of it. End users who upgrade immediately are going to have zero third party software they can install if there's no early developer release. That would be a pretty good way to poke the community in the eye regards, Koen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFELASnMkyGM64RGpERAjK3AJ9b0RMBic6VtJQB3cGjBcLwyuw/YQCcCdKf 4xwwN61V4Z0ijZxn9jnrrII= =UmKJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: neat device
Okay, disq's law: As an online discussion about maemo grows longer, the probability of a comparison/statement involving Origami approaches one. (Greetings go to Mike Godwin for Godwin's Law) On 3/30/06, Ross Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 10:58 -0500, Ted Zlatanov wrote: - Origami-style keyboard (radial from a corner, probably better under Fitt's law) - see the billion preview pics for a sample Fitt's law only applies for mice, and the Origami keyboard appears to be designed for use by thumbs. -- Kemal ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: neat device
On 3/30/06, Kemal Hadimli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, disq's law: As an online discussion about maemo grows longer, the probability of a comparison/statement involving Origami approaches one. :D Almost as funny as the fact that the device is referenced as an origin for good ideas when AFAIK nobody has even seen such a thing live not to mention holding one ;) -- Kalle Vahlman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by http://movial.fi Interesting stuff at http://syslog.movial.fi ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] neat device
On 3/30/06, Disconnect [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Chris Bare did have cause to say: I agree that the current keyboard has a lot of features, but personally I never use the handwriting or word prediction, so I'd be interested in a lighter-weight alternative. Me too. FTR, me 3. Cheers, Jonathan -- Don't anthropomorphize computers. They don't like it. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: neat device
On 30 Mar 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 10:58 -0500, Ted Zlatanov wrote: - Origami-style keyboard (radial from a corner, probably better under Fitt's law) - see the billion preview pics for a sample Fitt's law only applies for mice, and the Origami keyboard appears to be designed for use by thumbs. Actually Fitts' law has nothing to do with mice in particular: http://www.asktog.com/basics/firstPrinciples.html#fitts'%20law (it's spelled Fitts') Please read the summary and you'll see what I mean about a radial keyboard. Thanks Ted ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: neat device
On 30 Mar 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, disq's law: As an online discussion about maemo grows longer, the probability of a comparison/statement involving Origami approaches one. (Greetings go to Mike Godwin for Godwin's Law) I have to point out, I made neither a comparison nor a statement about Origami. I just suggested that a radial keyboard might be a nice idea. So the thread has not gone on long enough yet. Ted ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: neat device
I agree it didn't, I just couldn't pass up on such a good joke opportunity. :) On 30 Mar 2006 12:57:37 -0500, Ted Zlatanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to point out, I made neither a comparison nor a statement about Origami. I just suggested that a radial keyboard might be a nice idea. So the thread has not gone on long enough yet. -- Kemal ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: neat device
On 30 Mar 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Almost as funny as the fact that the device is referenced as an origin for good ideas when AFAIK nobody has even seen such a thing live not to mention holding one ;) I am not sure how that's relevant. I went by this picture, which could be a mock-up or not. http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/08/cebit-web-site-shows-origami-ui/ I am not aware of any previous attempts to do a radial on-screen keyboard. Perhaps the 770 should be the first, considering it's already out, unless of course there are patent concerns or X window shaping issues. Anyhow, it's nice to see that people are interested in an alternative to the default keyboard. I hope something comes out of it. Ted ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] neat device
On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Ted Zlatanov did have cause to say: Of course, full Bluetooth keyboard support would also be very nice (right now you need 3rd party status bar applet, and xterm has the Enter key issue). Bluetooth mice are also something I would love to use on the 770. FYI lots of apps show the enter key problem, and other dialog-related issues. Usually switching away and back (Fn-g alt-tab on the stowaway goes 'home' and then alt-tabs back to the app) works. But yah. Definite agreement. If there was an open, modular input method I'm sure it wouldn'd take long to update it for the actual use cases. (How often do you switch from vkb to handwriting? I can see going the other way on occasion. And I could take or leave the completion - preferably leave, if it gains me some memory.) How about large phone-style buttons, for one-handed thumb typing? There are lots of options. I'd love to see some of them implemented. (How about just going back to the good old days of xkb and unified input support from the kernel to the app?) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Odonata
Hi Philippe, (posting this on maemo, only just noticed you'd posted to both lists) On Tue, Mar 21, 2006 at 03:45:37PM +0100, Philippe Laporte wrote: [snip] How is Odonata doing? It doesn't have a mailing list. I've contacted the author, but can people share their experience with Odonata, whether the info on the page is current (especially, are TextComponents and keyboard working?), and lastly, whether anyone has successfully run it on the 770. Odonata is a little dormant at the moment, the past month (and a bit) have been particularly hectic for me and I haven't had much time to devote to its development. One thing you should bear in mind when thinking of Odonata is that it is a set of AWT *peers*. This means that it can only be used within a fully functional AWT implementation (such as that provided by GNU Classpath or Sun's class library). Odonata as it currently stands in my local svn tree is still far from complete, although some work has been done towards text input, it's not been a priority. The latest addition to Odonata was a new Font rendering framework using BDF 2.3 (1,2,4 and 8-bit bitmapped fonts) - the underlying parser is being integrated into JNode for things like console font rendering, as an alternative to TTF rendering. Work will continue on the main Odonata once I settle down a little more at my new workplace. Now if only I could find someplace that paid me to work on Odonata :) Best Regards, Steph -- Stephane Meslin-Weber Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Software Engineer Web: http://odonata.tangency.co.uk signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] neat device
On 3/30/06, Michele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all,So again, just my 2c:the VKB has a HWR that really sucks. I tried many times to use it, butever switched back to the on-screen keyboard, because recognition simpledoesn't work well, and the capability to be trained is too little. I found that too and narrowed the problem down to a few elements:1) If you counter-intuitively give less time for character recognition (it is adjustable) it does a better job since it is trying to interpret whatever you write it its recognition period as on character. So reducing that time period give a better probability of that being true :] 2) There are some flaws in the build in character stroke tables. It would be nice if some of the built in tables could be edited. For instance, it seems the 99% of my troubles now (after doing 1) above) are centered around writing i. It nearly always gets interpreted as a comma or a lower case L. There is no way, looking at the built in strokes for the comma, that it should be misinterpretting that unless the HWR completely ignores the starting position (relative to the guidelines drawn on the screen) of the stroke. The two part characters are always tricky to deal with though. Just some thoughts that might make it much more useful./Mike ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: Measuring power consumption of 770
On 3/30/06, Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting ... frankly nothing new to me, but it is a good start point that proves how it is possible to have good performances even with low power devices. Indeed :-) I didn't really figure it would be news to you, although I was hoping you'd say something if things looked completely off-base. Anyway, I was quite impressed with the wi-fi power usage, as it was almost completely non-existent unless you were actively doing something. Given that the active current for the radio approaches ~500 mA vs 100 mA during normal operation, it's quite a feat. Next week i probably won't be able to reply to anything, however soonish Maemo designing/coding guidelines will be available, and i hope we'll have some discussion about battery-friendly drivers/applications. igor I look forward to it. Aside from a few glitches here and there it shouldn't be too much to worry about. Larry On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 19:40 -0500, ext Larry Battraw wrote: Ok Igor, you finally motivated me to do some measurements :-) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: neat device
On 30 Mar 2006 13:05:41 -0500, Ted Zlatanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30 Mar 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Almost as funny as the fact that the device is referenced as an origin for good ideas when AFAIK nobody has even seen such a thing live not to mention holding one ;) I am not sure how that's relevant. I went by this picture, which could be a mock-up or not. My point was that if you look at a picture like that, how do you know it's a good idea? Although granted, looking again at you mail you don't really state this or that about the goodness of it... http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/08/cebit-web-site-shows-origami-ui/ Looks horribly painful to use, just take your keyboard in your hand like that and try to move you thumb in an arc. It's doable, but only after letting got the firm grip on the device. Now, given that origamis are relatively huge, it probably would slip from your hands if you try to use two thumbs. Also the keyboard is most likely useless the moment you put it into a stand or on the table... Not to mention the elevated risk of RSI. Would be interesting to try though. Anyone up to hacking one of those for maemo?-) -- Kalle Vahlman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by http://movial.fi Interesting stuff at http://syslog.movial.fi ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Building maemo from cvs
Murray, Such a page would be welcomed. Few things to consider 1. Maemo 1.1 public release usually lag behind internal product development 2. what you see in SVN are realtime in sync (mostly) with product development 3. some of the time, these SVN projects like HAF (hildon application framework) move on to new components versions or new dependencies (due to new feature additions) which are not in Maemo X.X public releases So to build from scratch (i am throwing things from my head now :) 1. get a empty scratchbox 2. get a basic developer rootstrap from public maemo release 3. set up the apt/sources.list to target the Maemo x.x repository 4. set up a local repository on host system(i prefer using a localhost webserver), something like maemo unstable [this is where all the new and updated components used by e.g HAF would go] 5. Look into e.g HAF SVN and find (thats the hard part), all the new dependencies introduced and updated components. If the project itself dont provide them , then grab them from mainstream and put them in local repo. 6. Give your local repo preference over the Maemo repo. [you can use tools like apt-ftparchive stuff to create you a Packages.gz/Sources.gz etc] 7. apt-get update, install etc 8. get the latest SVN source, and then I think you have possibility of some success :) 9. once you create and compiled you packages from SVN sources, upload them to you local repository. 9. To test : Grab developer rootfs from Maemo , and flash to device 10. setup USB networking and modify the apt/sources.list to also point to your local repo, and then the magic apt dist-upgrade (who knows, it might work, at least the theory sound reasonable, isnt it ?) Now here I am assuming when you say Maemo from scratch, you mean Hildon Application Framework, which is in my terminology just HAF, which sits on top of Maemo Core [which is all base system, X, gdk, gtk, gconf etc etc] Hope that helps Cheers Devesh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ext Murray Cumming Sent: 29 March, 2006 20:42 To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: [maemo-developers] Building maemo from cvs Is there any documentation anywhere about building (and using) maemo from svn, installed in a separate prefix, or should I start a new page on the maemo wiki? -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
