Re: N810 discount code frustration
Hi and thanx for your reply. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, ext Vivia Nikolaidou wrote: I was one of the winners of the N810 discount code contest (being a developer of aMSN) and I'm having serious issues with it. Mainly the Spanish Nokia store is to blame, but I am sick and tired of calling them and I'd like to get some help. With all the respect, the terms of the program estated clearly that you had to be based in one of the supported countries. If you weren't you still could apply and have chances of getting a discount code, at your own risk. That's fine with me. I'm sorry, I should have read that. It's still annoying to be treated as second-class citizen by the people you wanted to help when the philosophy of open source is all the contrary, but there's nothing I can do about it. Only the Nokia shop can deal with your problems. Please insist with them. That's what I'm doing, with no result though... After the billionth time they heard from me, they said they'd forward my case to the department responsible for payments on the online store, and I haven't heard from them since then. The best thing to do would be to find a way to ship directly to Greece, from any Nokia store. Nokia shops can't ship out of their countries due to commercial reasons. There is also a lot of fraud attempts on online purchases and this is why they tend to have strict policies on payments with credit cards. That's fine with me too. I wouldn't be complaining if one of the following conditions was met: 1) I had successfully managed to send the N810 to someone in Spain 2) since they cannot send to a different address than the card's billing address, they had been consistent to their policy and not dispatched the first order 3) they had dispatched the first order with the complete shipping address instead of truncating it after my verification 4) they had dispatched the second order like the first one 5) they had released the money on the credit card and given me a new discount code Do you understand my frustration now? Honestly, the way things have turned out now, all I want is to have the money on my credit card released and have a second discount code sent to me, just like they did with my previous order. I'd then be happy to have someone send it to me. We understand all this is uncomfortable for you, but please also understand that you decided to go through the unsupported path. The situation as you describe it isn't uncomfortable for me. I knew it since the beginning. The way things have turned out now has me completely annoyed... I am not trying to blame anyone but the people in the Nokia store who are not doing their job correctly. Thanx a lot for the support, Vivia ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: N810 discount code frustration
Vivia Nikolaidou wrote: Anyway, here is the story: All this is very unfortunate and it is too late now but you could have done some things better to minimize those issues. I'm not sure about N810 program but with N800 there was a FAQ page http://maemo.org/community/wiki/n800developerdeviceprogram/ (see Nokia shops don't cover my country, do I still have a chance?) and implications were discussed in this list many times. Maybe with future developer device programs (if any) this should be stressed again to prevent or minimize such frustration. Here are the facts: - devices are sold only in some countries - you need to use online store of those countries - you need to use credit card with shipping and billing address from that country So the best way is to have friend from that country who will buy the device for you, use his/her own credit card, gets the device, then preferably also tests the device (and handles possible replacement) and then ships it to you. Unfortunately you can't ship device directly to you and you can't use your own credit card. And most probably you can't easily claim warranty in your country if device arrives broken or gets broken later. This is the reality you either accept or not. The other choice Maemo team had (and I think they really considered it) was to limit the program only for developers from those selected countries to prevent similar unhappy stories. Fortunately they decided against such 'unfair' setup and some developers (including me) are very happy with this :-) The first (770) device program was done differently and maemo team shipped device directly which was of course better for developer outside of those countries but I can perfectly understand this was not easy and most possibly such experiment was possible only in the beginning of such project. Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: N810 discount code frustration
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Frantisek Dufka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All this is very unfortunate and it is too late now but you could have done some things better to minimize those issues. I'm not sure about N810 program but with N800 there was a FAQ page http://maemo.org/community/wiki/n800developerdeviceprogram/ (see Nokia shops don't cover my country, do I still have a chance?) Yes, I did read it, but all they say is that the way we use the code is up to us... Not too helpful indeed :( So the best way is to have friend from that country who will buy the device for you, use his/her own credit card, gets the device, then preferably also tests the device (and handles possible replacement) and then ships it to you. Unfortunately you can't ship device directly to you and you can't use your own credit card. And most probably you can't easily claim warranty in your country if device arrives broken or gets broken later. Thanx a lot for warning me about also having him test the device! I wouldn't have thought about it myself :) Vivia ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hello Maemo - CFSONID 2008
ext Robert Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are not a zealot like me and need an argument now? Ok. The free software scene came nearly out of nothing. Although free programs existed long before Linux was written, there was no organisation of those. One of the early communities that rallied together to make a change was Debian. Heh, please don't write the GNU project and the FSF out of the history books... ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
garage upgrade is about to land
Hello, An upgraded garage is soon to be launched (ie. in a few minutes). During this upgrade we only changed the underlaying GForge to the latest (open source, free) version: 4.5.20 and made sure that our custom changes can be applied without much hassle. Well, all went fine, as far as I can tell :) You should not notice any difference with garage after we switch. In case a big trouble hits the fan we can revert to the old version in a minute. If you will experience minor glitches, then please file a bug report, or just email me. Cheers, ferenc -- maemo.org sysadmin, developer email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps: all the custom code we made during the years will land to a subversion repo, check later: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/garage ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hello Maemo - CFSONID 2008
Interesting thread, and I agree that it's complex for businesses to find out how open to be while still being able to maintain a working business model. We certainly live in interesting times. I'm glad that such a question is on the table. One thing that comes to mind in terms of augmenting Maemo and making it a more robust system is whether it's possible to consolidate efforts being made by other groups such as the Ubuntu mobile project (I can't recall the name of this effort), and perhaps the efforts of openmoko and Android. My feeling is to benefit from the work we're all doing and share the prosperity and accomplishments in whatever way possible. Ultimately the open mobile OS, which Maemo is a fantastic example of, could be a project that could help strengthen the open source community as a whole through cross-pollination of ideas and work. My feeling is trying to work by going from strength to strength and capitalizing on the enthusiasm of open-sourcerers around the world and showing what a portable, lightweight, dynamic, flexible, immaculate, and useful open OS looks like. I think we can give more to people than any current solution on the market. I think we could give people everywhere with cellphones, handhelds, and tablets an extraordinary product that truly benefits the world and enhances their work and lives. I think an open OS can do that, and I think that any company who is running the best, most feature rich OS will make a heap from selling devices that run it. My prediction is that we're reaching a certain technological singularity for portable devices, where you don't need multiple ones, that every one of them has the power of the grid behind it and has the capacity to be a virtual omni controller for any conceivable application. Think of the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy meets Adam Sandler's universal remote from the movie Click. I think that's where we're headed, a pocket-sized super computer. So why not start to design the OS in that vain? A superfluid platform that can be imported to many kinds of devices, repurposing them into new useful things. I think it's also a very green vision to have that we can still upgrade devices that would otherwise head to the trashcan. Or at least donate them to the developing world, upgraded with a new OS, so that we can give cheap super-communicators to people. There's a TED talk about when people have more avenues for communication people small economies that have been sagging will revitalize and begin to become prosperous. I think the current version of the XO was designed to be learning toy, but Maemo, Maemo has an enormous amount of potential to be more then just a toy to people. It can augment entire economies and societal structures for the better. So I'm totally enthused to see what can be done. My personal vision is for a device called a Geode, the passport to planet earth. It would be an inexpensive ubiquitous device that would have the world within it. It would be the hitchhiker's guide to planet earth. The only caveat I would add to the license is the the software is only available to people involved in what would be defined as socially evolutionary. If you do destructive anti-social things (like genocide) then you are betraying the terms of use and the software license is revoked. :) That's my riff. Cheers, Paul aka openartist On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Marius Vollmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ext Robert Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are not a zealot like me and need an argument now? Ok. The free software scene came nearly out of nothing. Although free programs existed long before Linux was written, there was no organisation of those. One of the early communities that rallied together to make a change was Debian. Heh, please don't write the GNU project and the FSF out of the history books... ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: sqlite3 CLI?
On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 09:31:39PM +0200, Frantisek Dufka wrote: Marius Gedminas wrote: Do you know the reason for that? No. I also wondered why someone took the time to edit debian files to remove it from the build, it does not look like the most productive thing to do :-) Maybe it saves some trees? Is there a bug filed on bugs.maemo.org for restoring the command-line tool? I did not file any since removing it was intentional and nobody missed it (except me). Well, there are now three people who miss it, so I'll go and file the bug. Here it is: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3215 Marius Gedminas -- When in danger, or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout. -- Robert A. Heinlein signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: sqlite3 CLI?
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Marius Gedminas wrote: Well, there are now three people who miss it, so I'll go and file the bug. Here it is: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3215 Excellent - thanks! -- Aj. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Pluthon on my N800 with OS2008
I can confirm that the problem is now solved. I have successfully installed all the packages required for running pluthon, even though I am having some issues with pluthon itself; I will open up a specific thread for that. Simone. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Raul Fernandes Herbster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, packages were uploaded. The problem you mentioned was solved. Regards, --Raul. On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Raul Fernandes Herbster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, yes, there's something with repository. This error was already detected and we're working on it. As soon as we get it solved, I'll send an e-mail to maemo-developers list. You can also send your feedback to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Raul. On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Simone Giannecchini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately it did not help! Here is what I still get when I try to install maemo-pc-connectivity: Nokia-N800-51-3:~# apt-get install maemo-pc-connectivity Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: maemo-pc-connectivity: Depends: mount-full (= 2.12p+maemo2) but it is not ins tallable Depends: sshfs (= 1.8maemo1) but it is not installable Depends: fuse-modules-rx-34 (= 2.7.2-1maemo5) but it i s not installable Depends: libfuse2 (= 2.7.2-1maemo5) but it is not inst allable Depends: fuse-utils (= 2.7.2-1maemo5) but it is not in stallable Depends: sbrshd (= 7.6maemo1) but it is not going to b e installed I can install all the required package singularly but there is no way I can get the right version for mount-full. Should I fork this thread and open a new one called MIA (missing in action) mount-full? Thx, Simone. On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Simone Giannecchini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciao Andrea, thanks for the tip, this site seemed to be down in the last 3 or 4 days. I am going to flash the toy first then I will install all the repositories and eventually re-try with pluthon. Thx, Simone. On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Andrea Grandi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, maybe you're missing some repositories. Try this site: http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=ensystem=maemo4 best regards, 2008/5/29 Simone Giannecchini [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi list, I have a question reagarding pluthon, but I am not sure this is the right list. Anyway, I am trying to port an existing python application to the N800 an I would like to be able to debug it from the device. I have been able to make the app run inside scratchbox, but I do not manage to install pluthon at all. I have tried to follow instructions from the pluthon website but when I try to install maemo-pc-connectivity I get an error which tells that a lot needed packages are missing (fuse libs, mount-full, etc..). Now, do you have any suggestions on how to overcome these problems? Thanks, Simone. -- --- Eng. Simone Giannecchini President /CEO GeoSolutions S.A.S. Via Carignoni 51 55041 Camaiore (LU) Italy phone: +39 0584983027 fax: +39 0584983027 mob: +39 333 8128928 http://www.geo-solutions.it --- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc -- --- Eng. Simone Giannecchini President /CEO GeoSolutions S.A.S. Via Carignoni 51 55041 Camaiore (LU) Italy phone: +39 0584983027 fax: +39 0584983027 mob: +39 333 8128928 http://www.geo-solutions.it --- -- --- Eng. Simone Giannecchini President /CEO GeoSolutions S.A.S. Via Carignoni 51 55041 Camaiore (LU) Italy phone: +39 0584983027 fax: +39 0584983027 mob: +39 333 8128928 http://www.geo-solutions.it --- ___ maemo-developers
Pluthon problems
Hi list, I have installed successfully pluthon by following the instructions found here http://pluthon.garage.maemo.org/. I have create a python test project following the pluthon user guide but I am getting a null pointer exception when I try to run it (no other messages are shown unfortunately...) I have checked the device and the files are moved correctly onto it. I am hoping that someone can give some help to spot and solve my problem. Here you can find the console output http://pastebin.com/mf8e4197 Thanks, Simone. -- --- Eng. Simone Giannecchini President /CEO GeoSolutions S.A.S. Via Carignoni 51 55041 Camaiore (LU) Italy phone: +39 0584983027 fax: +39 0584983027 mob: +39 333 8128928 http://www.geo-solutions.it --- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
