Re: SDK, sources Re: On the problem of Nokia bugs substituting changelogs
Frantisek Dufka wrote: So will we get updated SDK release with sources for latest Diablo update (and any further one too)? No answer, looks like people responsible are busy with more important stuff. Just an additional info - old SDK also hurts people when doing development directly on tablet, see this one http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=220639#post220639 The 4.2008.30-2 update was released 08-11-2008 so it is more than 3 weeks now. Also can this whole firmware and SDK release procedure be changed so building and releasing sources is integral part of building and releasing any binary (firmware or SSU) as it is 'suggested' by GPL licence? Does it make sense to report this as separate bug in bugzilla? Or is it in wiki 2010/100days agenda somewhere? Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
My dear friend, I welcome your comments on multitouch howto. I work in my spare time with one multitouch group in Japan, another in UK, one again in Sweden, not to say New York, MIT , UoT. So multitouch in maemo works as it works. I can use 2 fingers to move web page horizontally ( it works for semantic pages). And once again. It works without stylus with 2 fingers only. Just have a try not guess. This is just the reason for a subject line in my thread. maemo by Nokia was very very close to multitouch interfacing and still is. I was really surprised to hear , some maemo developers try to close the multitouch thread not to let us sing one day We are the Champions. Multitouch is exactly about maemo development. Darius --- On Wed, 3/9/08, gary liquid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: gary liquid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, 3 September, 2008, 4:16 PM You obviously do not realise how touchscreens work. When you press in 2 locations the click point will be located at the centre of gravity between those points. This is why if you accidentally catch your screen with your wrist whilst operating with the stylus the pointer will shoot off in a random direction. do some reading up, and also - the touchpad on the iphone etc is a completely different technology. Take the stylus you use for touching your nokia and use it on the iphone screen. I have to wonder though, if you are so impressed with their technology why you haven't you moved to using their devices fulltime? gary (lcuk on #maemo) I am always impressed with intelligent high-tech gizmos, solutions, technologies. Making maemo multitouch is still an open choice. patent claims make set no special restrictions to development of other multitouch solutions - interfaces. We are the leaders. Aren't we ? Visit my multitouch Microsoft surface computing Semantic Magazine to learn more about other multitouch technologies. Darius On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Sorry Simon, but it works as semi-multitouch. I have discovered this feature opening my Semantic WWW Magazines in maemo. With 2 fingers pressed I can move Welcome page horizontally, like in iPod Touch. Darius --- On Tue, 2/9/08, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 3:49 PM Darius Jack ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [...] N 770 ( first in the world multitouch Internet tablet). N 770 was really multitouch gizmo (just try to move web page with 2 fingers). You're wrong here: what you're seeing when pressing multiple fingers on the touchscreen is some kind of average position. Typically the mousepointer ends up in the middle between the two fingers pressing the screen, just try it in the drawing application. The scrolling in the webbrowser just made you believe that it would be doing something sensible, it really does not. Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kernelconcepts.de/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
2 finger scrolling was meant as blob recognition feature. Darius --- On Wed, 3/9/08, Eric Warnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Eric Warnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, 3 September, 2008, 3:38 PM 2 finger scrolling is not a feature unique to multi-touch. It's been available for older track pads for years. -Eric On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 6:01 AM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Simon, but it works as semi-multitouch. I have discovered this feature opening my Semantic WWW Magazines in maemo. With 2 fingers pressed I can move Welcome page horizontally, like in iPod Touch. Darius --- On Tue, 2/9/08, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 3:49 PM Darius Jack ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [...] N 770 ( first in the world multitouch Internet tablet). N 770 was really multitouch gizmo (just try to move web page with 2 fingers). You're wrong here: what you're seeing when pressing multiple fingers on the touchscreen is some kind of average position. Typically the mousepointer ends up in the middle between the two fingers pressing the screen, just try it in the drawing application. The scrolling in the webbrowser just made you believe that it would be doing something sensible, it really does not. Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kernelconcepts.de/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: SDK, sources Re: On the problem of Nokia bugs substituting changelogs
Hi. I opened the last week the bug 3648 about this problem. There is a comment explaining why the sources aren't in the repository yet. Sorry for the top posting, I am writing this in a small mobile client. 2008/9/4, Frantisek Dufka [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Frantisek Dufka wrote: So will we get updated SDK release with sources for latest Diablo update (and any further one too)? No answer, looks like people responsible are busy with more important stuff. Just an additional info - old SDK also hurts people when doing development directly on tablet, see this one http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=220639#post220639 The 4.2008.30-2 update was released 08-11-2008 so it is more than 3 weeks now. Also can this whole firmware and SDK release procedure be changed so building and releasing sources is integral part of building and releasing any binary (firmware or SSU) as it is 'suggested' by GPL licence? Does it make sense to report this as separate bug in bugzilla? Or is it in wiki 2010/100days agenda somewhere? Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- Daniel Martín Yerga http://yerga.net ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: SDK, sources Re: On the problem of Nokia bugs substituting changelogs
Hi there, ext Frantisek Dufka wrote: Frantisek Dufka wrote: So will we get updated SDK release with sources for latest Diablo update (and any further one too)? No answer, looks like people responsible are busy with more important stuff. http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/k/kernel-source-diablo/ Sorry for the delay. People responsible were waiting for some events needed to publish the sources. Now they are available. The _only_ difference is the WiMAX related code that is not used by the devices all you have. Just an additional info - old SDK also hurts people when doing development directly on tablet, see this one http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=220639#post220639 (It is discouraged to install SDK packages in the devices. If someone wants to do this fine but as the own post you link says it might be *hazardous*. The 4.2008.30-2 update was released 08-11-2008 so it is more than 3 weeks now. Also can this whole firmware and SDK release procedure be changed so building and releasing sources is integral part of building and releasing any binary (firmware or SSU) as it is 'suggested' by GPL licence? This is how the process works. This time there was one exception because the mentioned events related to this WiMAX code - see also https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3648#c3 Our apologies and hopefully this won't happen again. -- Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: SDK, sources Re: On the problem of Nokia bugs substituting changelogs
Quim Gil wrote: (It is discouraged to install SDK packages in the devices. If someone wants to do this fine but as the own post you link says it might be *hazardous*. OK. We are also discouraged from having root access on the device ;-) The hazardous part here was mainly installing old packages to new system because of old -dev packages in current SDK. Otherwise having SDK repository configured on device is pretty sensible thing to do for any competent developer just like root access (discouraged or not). This is how the process works. This time there was one exception because the mentioned events related to this WiMAX code - see also https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3648#c3 Our apologies and hopefully this won't happen again. Thank you and apology for missing bug 3648. I should better check bugzilla next time. Sorry for creating too much noise too late. Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
Hi, you said: There is no native multi touch on these devices. Who said otherwise ? You can call my experience with maemo multitouch side-effect. Ok. But it works for me. I use both iPod Touch and maemo. It works how it works but works (side-effect or alike) ;) you asked have you ever actually done any coding for maemo Tried hard to loggin into maemo, 3 times failed and gave up. Logging procedure problems. __ There is no such facility like Think-Tank at Nokia, so no chance to develop and discuss multitouch for Nokia/maemo. Moreover, one or more guys from this dev list claimed that discussing multitouch for Nokia maemo was spam. Wish you success anyway. Darius --- On Thu, 4/9/08, gary liquid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: gary liquid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, 4 September, 2008, 12:17 PM Darius, You say you work with lots of groups, have you ever actually done any coding for maemo and obtained actual coordinates of the distinct multitouch hotspots as you touch it? I would love to see examples of your code because multitouch would be a nice feature to have. You will find I am actively involved in making the most out of these nokia devices and have investigated a great number of options and directions for the input and output side of these devices and multitouch is something I have put quite a bit of brainpower towards. The effect you see when sideways scrolling is exactly what I specified in my earlier mail, but saying it is multitouch is flat out wrong, it is simply the sideeffect of changing the centre of gravity. With a true multitouch surface the running application obtains multiple distinct hotspots, that is each finger produces its own hotspot at a specific location, the surface can track multiple hotspots. The event subsystem must be geared to handle these hotspots and the applications themselves need to know what to do with them. The multi touch effect you are seeing is the averaging of your distinct fingertips into a single cursor location. Applications for maemo expect and obtain a single cursor location and know nothing about multiple hotspots (the touchscreen simulates events to move a single virtual mouse pointer) There is no native multi touch on these devices. That does not say that it is impossible to obtain lower resolution multiple contact points and an expanding/contracting zone from this averaged data - it is something I have actively investigated and tested in code on the device (thank you x-fade, i've not forgotten). Gary On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: My dear friend, I welcome your comments on multitouch howto. I work in my spare time with one multitouch group in Japan, another in UK, one again in Sweden, not to say New York, MIT , UoT. So multitouch in maemo works as it works. I can use 2 fingers to move web page horizontally ( it works for semantic pages). And once again. It works without stylus with 2 fingers only. Just have a try not guess. This is just the reason for a subject line in my thread. maemo by Nokia was very very close to multitouch interfacing and still is. I was really surprised to hear , some maemo developers try to close the multitouch thread not to let us sing one day We are the Champions. Multitouch is exactly about maemo development. Darius --- On Wed, 3/9/08, gary liquid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: gary liquid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, 3 September, 2008, 4:16 PM You obviously do not realise how touchscreens work. When you press in 2 locations the click point will be located at the centre of gravity between those points. This is why if you accidentally catch your screen with your wrist whilst operating with the stylus the pointer will shoot off in a random direction. do some reading up, and also - the touchpad on the iphone etc is a completely different technology. Take the stylus you use for touching your nokia and use it on the iphone screen. I have to wonder though, if you are so impressed with their technology why you haven't you moved to using their devices fulltime? gary (lcuk on #maemo) I am always impressed with intelligent high-tech gizmos, solutions, technologies. Making maemo multitouch is still an open choice. patent claims make set no special restrictions to development of other multitouch solutions - interfaces. We are the leaders. Aren't we ?
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Darius Jack wrote: COULD YOU STOP SPAMMING THIS LIST ? THANKS ! Instead of just arguing (which is quite annoying BTW), why dont you write some code or take your comments offlist? This tirade serves no purpose. -- A ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
Don't care about him. He's a known troll. Someone discovered he's well known all over various mailing lists (particularly Poland). Look at: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-June/033850.html and following replies... -- Aniello On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Darius Jack wrote: COULD YOU STOP SPAMMING THIS LIST ? THANKS ! Instead of just arguing (which is quite annoying BTW), why dont you write some code or take your comments offlist? This tirade serves no purpose. -- A ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- anidel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
I am 99.99% certain the internet tablets use resistive touch screens, which means this underlying technology cannot do multitouch. Using more than one contact point on these screens will change a reading, but it won't get the result you want. It will be an intermediate reading between the multiple contact points. Here is a manual from atmel which seems to do a decent job of explaining how a resistive touch screen works: http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc8091.pdf My assumption also is that this is a 4 wire touch screen, not a 5 wire touch screen, since we can get pressure readings and 5 wire touch screens don't do pressure readings. For comparison, this is a relatively friendly guide on how one kind of capacitive touch screen works: http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/iphone2.htm It may not be the only kind of capacitive touch screen. You might reasonably ask why Nokia chose to use a cheaper and less capable technology (digikey.com lists relative pricing and this is how I know it is cheaper.) My suspicion, other than cost, is that they already knew how to use resistive touch screens and didn't see a reason for adding additional technical or perhaps legal risk. Or maybe since it's so cold in Finland nobody takes off their gloves and everybody uses a stylus instead, which you aren't supposed to be able to do with a capacitive touchscreen (see above link.) Darius Jack wrote: Hi, you said: There is no native multi touch on these devices. Who said otherwise ? You can call my experience with maemo multitouch side-effect. Ok. But it works for me. I use both iPod Touch and maemo. It works how it works but works (side-effect or alike) ;) you asked have you ever actually done any coding for maemo Tried hard to loggin into maemo, 3 times failed and gave up. Logging procedure problems. __ There is no such facility like Think-Tank at Nokia, so no chance to develop and discuss multitouch for Nokia/maemo. Moreover, one or more guys from this dev list claimed that discussing multitouch for Nokia maemo was spam. Wish you success anyway. Darius ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 06:48 -0700, ext Sarah Newman wrote: I am 99.99% certain the internet tablets use resistive touch screens, which means this underlying technology cannot do multitouch. Yes, it's resistive and resisitive ts have (had) higher resolution than capacitive ones. The iphone doesn't have 800x400 pixels and it is not meant to be used with a stylus. -- Cheers, Igor --- Igor Stoppa Maemo Software - Nokia Devices RD - Helsinki ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Ooops!
Hi all, Yesterday evening, on popular request, I committed a patch to the elections scripts to add a link to candidate declarations at the top of Step 2 of the voting process. The voting site was updated this morning by Henri. Alas! I didn't properly test the change before committing, and omitted to escape quotes in the middle of a string, resulting in the Step 2 which you all saw if you tried to vote since this morning. The mistake has now been rectified (I believe) - normal service should be resumed. Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Please let me know if you continue to have problems with voting. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
Hi, ext Igor Stoppa wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 06:48 -0700, ext Sarah Newman wrote: I am 99.99% certain the internet tablets use resistive touch screens, which means this underlying technology cannot do multitouch. Yes, it's resistive and resisitive ts have (had) higher resolution than capacitive ones. You forgot 1/6th of the pixels, the resolution is 800x480. :-) The iphone doesn't have 800x400 pixels and it is not meant to be used with a stylus. N8x0 has 2.5x more pixels than iPhone. - Eero ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Ooops!
heh, from now on, you are gonna be called Dave Diebold Neary :D On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Yesterday evening, on popular request, I committed a patch to the elections scripts to add a link to candidate declarations at the top of Step 2 of the voting process. The voting site was updated this morning by Henri. Alas! I didn't properly test the change before committing, and omitted to escape quotes in the middle of a string, resulting in the Step 2 which you all saw if you tried to vote since this morning. The mistake has now been rectified (I believe) - normal service should be resumed. Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Please let me know if you continue to have problems with voting. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-community mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Ooops!
ehehehe :D On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:25 PM, gary liquid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heh, from now on, you are gonna be called Dave Diebold Neary :D On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Yesterday evening, on popular request, I committed a patch to the elections scripts to add a link to candidate declarations at the top of Step 2 of the voting process. The voting site was updated this morning by Henri. Alas! I didn't properly test the change before committing, and omitted to escape quotes in the middle of a string, resulting in the Step 2 which you all saw if you tried to vote since this morning. The mistake has now been rectified (I believe) - normal service should be resumed. Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Please let me know if you continue to have problems with voting. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-community mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- anidel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
the touch screen resolution is even more than that, it has a native resolution of: x res of ~~~ 3500 units, and y res of ~~~ 3100 units. These are typically scaled to the screen by calibration process but are readable using the xsp extension. :D On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi, ext Igor Stoppa wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 06:48 -0700, ext Sarah Newman wrote: I am 99.99% certain the internet tablets use resistive touch screens, which means this underlying technology cannot do multitouch. Yes, it's resistive and resisitive ts have (had) higher resolution than capacitive ones. You forgot 1/6th of the pixels, the resolution is 800x480. :-) The iphone doesn't have 800x400 pixels and it is not meant to be used with a stylus. N8x0 has 2.5x more pixels than iPhone. - Eero ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not
I am really surprised, there is a small group of maemo developers showing interest not to discuss maemo multitouch and showing interest to have maemo no-multitouch in next years. Quite contrary to iPhone developers , doing their best to make iPhone No.1 gizmo. Multitouch is hot and market added value. You can try to stop multitouch development but please offer something better. Darius --- On Thu, 4/9/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Thursday, 4 September, 2008, 3:16 PM On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Darius Jack wrote: COULD YOU STOP SPAMMING THIS LIST ? THANKS ! Instead of just arguing (which is quite annoying BTW), why dont you write some code or take your comments offlist? This tirade serves no purpose. -- A Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[no subject]
Aniello, you are against maemo multitouch development and you are free to ban yourself any time. But you can't stop others to work on maemo multitouch development. bye bye no reply Aniello welcome in my trash --- On Thu, 4/9/08, Aniello Del Sorbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Aniello Del Sorbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: no reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, 4 September, 2008, 4:53 PM :) isn't this time to start banning someone from the list ? Aniello On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (cut for clarity) Don't care about Aniello Del Sorbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] He's a known mega troll not caring for development of better maemo , meant multitouch solutions mayby working for a competitors Remove Aniello from your subscription and mailing lists. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not
I am really surprised, there is a small group of maemo developers showing interest not to discuss maemo multitouch and showing interest to have maemo no-multitouch in next years. I think Igor was fairly explicit in what he said, capacitive multi-touch was not very precise, therefore a resistive screen was chosen. This is fine by me as I do want to have very find control over where I click with my stylus. Someone else mentioned possible patent infringements, I don't know how much of a factor this is. I'm not sure anything we say will affect this, though putting together good business cases to say how multi-touch will be beneficial (and being explicit about how) would probably be a good start (in the same way that we have been justifying why the PowerVR driver should be released, etc., on the wiki). Quite contrary to iPhone developers , doing their best to make iPhone No.1 gizmo. Not through their discussion of multi-touch mind you :) Multitouch is hot and market added value. You can try to stop multitouch development but please offer something better. No-one is stopping you, in fact if you can get the non-multitouch resistive screen to produce useful multitouch-like behaviour, which is what Gary (lcuk) has been looking at, I'm sure we'll all be very pleased. Cheers, Simon ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
Darius Jack wrote: Multitouch is hot and market added value. Sarah Newman wrote: I am 99.99% certain the internet tablets use resistive touch screens, So being resistive I guess they're technically hotter than capacitive ones? /me ducks David ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
2008/9/4 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Darius Jack wrote: Instead of just arguing (which is quite annoying BTW), why dont you write some code or take your comments offlist? This tirade serves no purpose. #!/usr/python2.5 def __mail__(): import grumphy text = str(self) + \nDO NOT FEED THE TROLL ! g = grumphy() g.send_mail(text) -- Benoît HERVIER - http://khertan.net/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
I would not expect the lower precision of a capacitive touch screen to be a barrier for the user if it's a small enough ratio, but you could convince me otherwise. 2 or 4x seems doable. So then the barrier is stylus usage. Why do we want a stylus? The cold weather, physical and/or mental comfort, or difficulty performing certain tasks with fingers only? I think it would be interesting to correlate finger size, usage of stylus vs. fingers, and most frequently used applications. Maybe there are certain UI elements which are acting as a barrier for people switching from stylus to finger usage? Mine is selecting links on web pages. This person has some suggestions: http://www.videsignline.com/howto/display/209900585 But I suspect developers who are porting desktop applications would have to put in even more customizations for the tablet if it had finger-only input. That is unless Nokia could intelligently hide all the additional overhead, which may not be possible. Igor Stoppa wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 06:48 -0700, ext Sarah Newman wrote: I am 99.99% certain the internet tablets use resistive touch screens, which means this underlying technology cannot do multitouch. Yes, it's resistive and resisitive ts have (had) higher resolution than capacitive ones. The iphone doesn't have 800x400 pixels and it is not meant to be used with a stylus. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Benoît HERVIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/9/4 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Darius Jack wrote: Instead of just arguing (which is quite annoying BTW), why dont you write some code or take your comments offlist? This tirade serves no purpose. #!/usr/python2.5 def __mail__(): import grumphy text = str(self) + \nDO NOT FEED THE TROLL ! g = grumphy() g.send_mail(text) -- Benoît HERVIER - http://khertan.net/ and your message, as amusing as it may be, serves the exact opposite purpose. Darius has managed to build quite a bit of reputation on this mailing list and ITT (and I do not mean it in a positive sense). He raises a good point but with terrible writing, I guess he doesn't proofread what he writes and English is not his first (or second) language. He also tends to react to constructive (such as this) and unjustified (such as yours) criticism in a childish manner which tends to disrupt what could become an interesting conversation (which, summing up his incoherent rants in a single sentence, is about plans for multitouch support in the next generations of Nokia Tablets). therefore Benoît, please do as you say, and just ignore him. peace ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not
On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Darius Jack wrote: I am really surprised, there is a small group of maemo developers showing interest not to discuss maemo multitouch and showing interest to have maemo no-multitouch in next years. Quite contrary to iPhone developers , doing their best to make iPhone No.1 gizmo. But (to loosely paraphrase a famous Monty Python sketch) a discussion isn't merely contradiction. I think you're mistaken if you think that shouting loud enough on this mailing list (and annoying everyone in the process) will make Nokia produce an iPhone-like multitouch device. By all means discuss (properly) but be respectful of others (who may have a better understanding of the issues than you do. -- Aj. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Status bar plugin problems
Hi all! I'm looking for the right way to develop a status bar plugin. At the moment there is a problem here. As I've found from wiki at maemo.org to kill running SB plugin I have to remove this file: /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-bar/applet.desktop so then I replace old libapplet.so file with a new one, copy .desktop file to /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-bar. It starts ok, but the problem I'm stuck with is that old binary seems to be loaded instead of new one. It's like the running process is still having old inode of the file. Actually if I try not to remove .so file and then copy a new one but run cat newapplet.so /usr/lib.../libapplet.so the whole thing crashes with these messages: qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - exiting maemo-launcher: child (pid=21568) terminated due to signal=11 matchbox-wm: X error warning (0xc000fa): BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) (opcode: 12) matchbox-wm: X error warning (0xc000fa): BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) (opcode: 12) matchbox-wm: X error warning (0xc000fa): BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) (opcode: 25) maemo-launcher: no child 21606 found in the kindergarten. maemo-launcher: child (pid=21606) terminated due to exit()=0 Is there any good example of the plugin restart should be done? -- Sincerely, Eugene ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
Little out of topic. Just talk about the stylus. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sarah Newman Sent: 2008年9月5日 0:01 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented ..snip... So then the barrier is stylus usage. Why do we want a stylus? The cold weather, physical and/or mental comfort, or difficulty performing certain tasks with fingers only? yes, why do we need stylus? If someone wore the gloves, could him sieze it OK? why not use some on-screen cursors (like the snipper sight) as that on PC? And the on-screen cursor's scope can do zoom in/out, it's extremly useful for map location, and other high-precision location needed applications, Actually, maemo can not display some ballon tips (since it's dont have the mouse-over event), and make me sad while browsing. It might be a great reduce of user experience. Joke, let's see, ^lol^ a.z ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
