Re: Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
2010/1/13 Kimmo Hämäläinen kimmo.hamalai...@nokia.com: Notice that hildon-desktop does not have any plugins, all plugins are in hildon-home. What you need is killall hildon-home -- it will restart automatically and no reboot is needed. Yesterday I uploaded an updated version of the Python loader that uses this workaround, thus closing https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8586 See also the broader bug report : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9370 (not fixed yet, that's why we added the workaround) Regards, -- Anderson Lizardo OpenBossa Labs - INdT Manaus - Brazil ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
Thank you Anderson, much appreciated! -Tom 2010/1/13 Kimmo Hämäläinen kimmo.hamalai...@nokia.com: Notice that hildon-desktop does not have any plugins, all plugins are in hildon-home. What you need is killall hildon-home -- it will restart automatically and no reboot is needed. Yesterday I uploaded an updated version of the Python loader that uses this workaround, thus closing https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8586 See also the broader bug report : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9370 (not fixed yet, that's why we added the workaround) Regards, ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Thomas Waelti twae...@gmail.com wrote: (Resent with correct time/date) Hello all I've uploaded an alpha version of my shutter home widget (IR shutter for Nikon DSLR) to extras-devel. Functionaly, it works. But now I have a small problem in my installer that I'm unable to resolve: After running the deb, the widget gets installed. It can then be added to the desktop by the user through the normal Desktop Config Add Widget process. It shows up in the list and is selectable. But then it does not show up on the desktop! However, once the device is rebooted, the added widget is cleary visible and works well. Heads up: I have created a PyMaemo specific bug to summarize and track the issue: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8586 Please add any further information/solutions to the problem there. Regards, -- Anderson Lizardo OpenBossa Labs - INdT Manaus - Brazil ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
Not sure about that - I just tested it on my 44-1 and all previously placed custom widgets came up again. I also was able add other previously installed widgets. What was your test case so that I can better try and verify on my device? Thanks to all! -Tom On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 03:35, Mikko Vartiainen mvartiai...@gmail.com wrote: Not very good method since it disables all non-nokia widgets. -- Mikko Vartiainen ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
Not sure about that - I just tested it on my 44-1 and all previously placed custom widgets came up again. I also was able add other previously installed widgets. What was your test case so that I can better try and verify on my device? Hmm, it seems that sometimes widgets disappear, not always.___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
This is what I've noticed: killall hildon-home shouldn't cause the widgets to disappear. If hildon-home is kill -9'ed, the widgets will almost certainly disappear as part of a safe mode designed to ensure hildon-home doesn't go into a crash loop due to a misbehaving widget. But, if you then killall hildon-home (send it SIGTERM) while it is in this safe mode state, it then proceeds to update its config (which has all non-Nokia applets). Best Regards, Faheem On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Mikko Vartiainen mvartiai...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure about that - I just tested it on my 44-1 and all previously placed custom widgets came up again. I also was able add other previously installed widgets. What was your test case so that I can better try and verify on my device? Hmm, it seems that sometimes widgets disappear, not always. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
So would it make sense to add a killall hildon-home to the postinstall of the hildon-desktop-python-loader as an interim fix? Who could do that? (I refrain from adding that to my app, as I think this would be the wrong place :-) Thanks -Tom This is what I've noticed: killall hildon-home shouldn't cause the widgets to disappear. If hildon-home is kill -9'ed, the widgets will almost certainly disappear as part of a safe mode designed to ensure hildon-home doesn't go into a crash loop due to a misbehaving widget. But, if you then killall hildon-home (send it SIGTERM) while it is in this safe mode state, it then proceeds to update its config (which has all non-Nokia applets). Best Regards, Faheem On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Mikko Vartiainen mvartiai...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure about that - I just tested it on my 44-1 and all previously placed custom widgets came up again. I also was able add other previously installed widgets. What was your test case so that I can better try and verify on my device? Hmm, it seems that sometimes widgets disappear, not always. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Thomas Waelti twae...@gmail.com wrote: So would it make sense to add a killall hildon-home to the postinstall of the hildon-desktop-python-loader as an interim fix? Who could do that? (I refrain from adding that to my app, as I think this would be the wrong place :-) The PyMaemo team (which includes myself) can, but what we didn't hear from the Hildon desktop developers whether this is a reliable workaround or not :/. The only thing we know is that it should work, but may affect some widgets. What I'm most afraid is if watchdog may reboot the device. It seems it does not happen, but it would be nice to know (from Hildon developers) if it is indeed safe to kill hildon-home with SIGTERM during a package installation or not. Regards, -- Anderson Lizardo OpenBossa Labs - INdT Manaus - Brazil ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 01:09 +0100, ext Anderson Lizardo wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Brent Chiodo bchi...@gmail.com wrote: I have had this issue reported for TouchSearch in both forums and formally as bug #6264: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6264 Thanks, it is now easier to try to reproduce it (I have a spare N900 that can be reflashed). It was also my thought that the Python - HildonDesktop interface is responsible for this. A possibility is that the the just installed Python loader (/usr/lib/hildon-desktop/loaders/libpythonpluginloader.so) only becomes active when hildon-desktop is restarted (which I suppose only occurs when the device is rebooted). Notice that hildon-desktop does not have any plugins, all plugins are in hildon-home. What you need is killall hildon-home -- it will restart automatically and no reboot is needed. -Kimmo ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
2010/1/13 Kimmo Hämäläinen kimmo.hamalai...@nokia.com: Notice that hildon-desktop does not have any plugins, all plugins are in hildon-home. What you need is killall hildon-home -- it will restart automatically and no reboot is needed. That's good to know. So does that mean we can put this on a postinst script and it will not affect running applications and other C applets? Thanks, -- Anderson Lizardo OpenBossa Labs - INdT Manaus - Brazil ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 12:03 +0100, ext Anderson Lizardo wrote: 2010/1/13 Kimmo Hämäläinen kimmo.hamalai...@nokia.com: Notice that hildon-desktop does not have any plugins, all plugins are in hildon-home. What you need is killall hildon-home -- it will restart automatically and no reboot is needed. That's good to know. So does that mean we can put this on a postinst script and it will not affect running applications and other C applets? It's better to fix hildon-home so that it does not require a restart. Report a bug and attach your patch there :) Thanks, ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
2010/1/13 Kimmo Hämäläinen kimmo.hamalai...@nokia.com: On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 12:03 +0100, ext Anderson Lizardo wrote: It's better to fix hildon-home so that it does not require a restart. Report a bug and attach your patch there :) Well, hildon-home already uses a notification (inotify?) mechanism for the applets, I just don't know why the same code was not used for the loaders :/ I'll open a bug report in any case and, if time and PyMaemo planning permits, prepare a patch, but do you think it is feasible to use killall hildon-home on the Python loader postinst script as a workaround? Regards, -- Anderson Lizardo OpenBossa Labs - INdT Manaus - Brazil ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
Notice that hildon-desktop does not have any plugins, all plugins are in hildon-home. What you need is killall hildon-home -- it will restart automatically and no reboot is needed. That's good to know. So does that mean we can put this on a postinst script and it will not affect running applications and other C applets? Not very good method since it disables all non-nokia widgets. -- Mikko Vartiainen ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
(Resent with correct time/date) Hello all I've uploaded an alpha version of my shutter home widget (IR shutter for Nikon DSLR) to extras-devel. Functionaly, it works. But now I have a small problem in my installer that I'm unable to resolve: After running the deb, the widget gets installed. It can then be added to the desktop by the user through the normal Desktop Config Add Widget process. It shows up in the list and is selectable. But then it does not show up on the desktop! However, once the device is rebooted, the added widget is cleary visible and works well. Now I really don't want to forece my users to reboot just because of a widget. Therefore my question: what am I missing? Any special postinstall script to run? I think it's still possible that hildon-desktop python-loader doesn't work after it's insalled until device (or hildon-desktop) is restarted. I've seen similar reports related to other python based widgets. Since it happens only once it's hard to really notice. Does any python developer know anything about this? -- Mikko Vartiainen ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Mikko Vartiainen mvartiai...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's still possible that hildon-desktop python-loader doesn't work after it's insalled until device (or hildon-desktop) is restarted. I've seen similar reports related to other python based widgets. Since it happens only once it's hard to really notice. Does any python developer know anything about this? Well, we have never got reports on this (it's the first report I see about this). If you could point to the other reports of python widgets not working without a reboot that would be nice. Regards, -- Anderson Lizardo OpenBossa Labs - INdT Manaus - Brazil ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
It could indeed be that python-loader does not startup correctly after its installation. I get the following errors, once right at the end of the installation, a second time when trying to add the widget to the desktop: hildon-home[14183]: GLIB WARNING ** default - Unknown Plugin Loader type: python hildon-home[14183]: GLIB WARNING ** default - Error loading plugin: /usr/share/applications/hildon-home/shutter.desktop On both the test device and the scratchbox it failed, and on both I didn't have any python widgets installed before. My widget has the following dependencies: lirc (= 0.8.4b-1fremantle30), python2.5, python-hildondesktop (= 0.1.0-1maemo2), hildon-desktop-python-loader (= 0.1.0-1maemo2), python-gtk2, python-hildon Thanks and best regards -Tom On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 21:51, Anderson Lizardo anderson.liza...@openbossa.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Mikko Vartiainen mvartiai...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's still possible that hildon-desktop python-loader doesn't work after it's insalled until device (or hildon-desktop) is restarted. I've seen similar reports related to other python based widgets. Since it happens only once it's hard to really notice. Does any python developer know anything about this? Well, we have never got reports on this (it's the first report I see about this). If you could point to the other reports of python widgets not working without a reboot that would be nice. Regards, -- Anderson Lizardo OpenBossa Labs - INdT Manaus - Brazil ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Anderson Lizardo anderson.liza...@openbossa.org wrote: Well, we have never got reports on this (it's the first report I see about this). If you could point to the other reports of python widgets not working without a reboot that would be nice. Problem is that there isn't reliable bug reports (about openvpn-applet and touchsearch for example), just random forum messages. But I've experienced it myself, but I thought that it was fixed with the latest versions. To make a reliable test I would need to reflash whole device (rootfs+emmc) and I'm not very keen to do that. -- Mikko Vartiainen ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Brent Chiodo bchi...@gmail.com wrote: I have had this issue reported for TouchSearch in both forums and formally as bug #6264: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6264 Thanks, it is now easier to try to reproduce it (I have a spare N900 that can be reflashed). It was also my thought that the Python - HildonDesktop interface is responsible for this. A possibility is that the the just installed Python loader (/usr/lib/hildon-desktop/loaders/libpythonpluginloader.so) only becomes active when hildon-desktop is restarted (which I suppose only occurs when the device is rebooted). If that's the case, I don't know a way to force hildon-desktop to detect the new loader. Also it will probably happen only when hildon-desktop-python-loader is first installed, other applets installed after (or the same applet being reinstalled) will not show the problem. Can some Hildon Desktop developer confirm this is the case? And if so, is there any way of avoiding a reboot (e.g. by sending some signal to the hildon-desktop process maybe?) Regards, -- Anderson Lizardo OpenBossa Labs - INdT Manaus - Brazil ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Thomas Wälti twae...@gmail.com wrote: It could indeed be that python-loader does not startup correctly after its installation. I get the following errors, once right at the end of the installation, a second time when trying to add the widget to the desktop: hildon-home[14183]: GLIB WARNING ** default - Unknown Plugin Loader type: python hildon-home[14183]: GLIB WARNING ** default - Error loading plugin: /usr/share/applications/hildon-home/shutter.desktop On both the test device and the scratchbox it failed, and on both I didn't have any python widgets installed before. This is the expected behavior. You need the Python loader (provided by the hildon-desktop-python-loader) installed *and* loaded in order to have Python applets recognized. The problem (as I mentioned on the other message) is probably that the hildon-desktop process is not being aware of the new loader until it is restarted. A possible test case (which I cannot test ATM) is: 1) apt-get remove hildon-desktop-python-loader 2) Restart N900 3) apt-get install hildon-desktop-python-loader 4) Install some Python applet The let us know if the applet is shown or not. Regards, -- Anderson Lizardo OpenBossa Labs - INdT Manaus - Brazil ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Mikko Vartiainen mvartiai...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Anderson Lizardo anderson.liza...@openbossa.org wrote: Problem is that there isn't reliable bug reports (about openvpn-applet and touchsearch for example), just random forum messages. I've been following talk.maemo.org, but it is hard to notice if some application is written in Python or not (just by looking at the thread subject). It would be nice if the people following the threads properly tag then with the python tag so it can be easily found in searches. But I've experienced it myself, but I thought that it was fixed with the latest versions. To make a reliable test I would need to reflash whole device (rootfs+emmc) and I'm not very keen to do that. I posted on another message a possible test case which does not require a reboot. Could you try that? Thanks, -- Anderson Lizardo OpenBossa Labs - INdT Manaus - Brazil ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Anderson Lizardo anderson.liza...@openbossa.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Mikko Vartiainen mvartiai...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Anderson Lizardo anderson.liza...@openbossa.org wrote: Problem is that there isn't reliable bug reports (about openvpn-applet and touchsearch for example), just random forum messages. I've been following talk.maemo.org, but it is hard to notice if some application is written in Python or not (just by looking at the thread subject). It would be nice if the people following the threads properly tag then with the python tag so it can be easily found in searches. BTW, It is very simple to see any Python related threads, if properly tagged: http://talk.maemo.org/tags.php?tag=python Unfortunately, only a few people use this feature. Regards, -- Anderson Lizardo OpenBossa Labs - INdT Manaus - Brazil ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 2:18 AM, Anderson Lizardo anderson.liza...@openbossa.org wrote: This is the expected behavior. You need the Python loader (provided by the hildon-desktop-python-loader) installed *and* loaded in order to have Python applets recognized. The problem (as I mentioned on the other message) is probably that the hildon-desktop process is not being aware of the new loader until it is restarted. A possible test case (which I cannot test ATM) is: 1) apt-get remove hildon-desktop-python-loader 2) Restart N900 3) apt-get install hildon-desktop-python-loader 4) Install some Python applet The let us know if the applet is shown or not. I used TouchSearch and OpenVPN Applet as testcase. TouchSearch is desktop widget and OpenVPN Applet is status menu widget. 1. apt-get remove python2.5 2. killall hildon-desktop hildon-home hildon-status-menu 3. HAM install TouchSearch 4. TouchSearch didn't appear in desktop or in widget list 5. HAM install openvpn-applet 6. openvpn-applet appeared in status-menu (with broken icon) 7. HAM uninstall touchsearch, HAM install touchsearch 8. TouchSearch didn't appear anywhere 9. killall hildon-desktop hildon-home hildon-status-menu 10. TouchSearch appeared in desktop. openvpn-applet had it's icon shown properly (just another side effect of removing icon cache :( ) Status menu widget worked and desktop widget didn't work. I thoght I had tested this earlier and that desktop widget were working too, apparently that was not the case. -- Mikko Vartiainen ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
Hello all I've uploaded an alpha version of my shutter home widget (IR shutter for Nikon DSLR) to extras-devel. Functionaly, it works. But now I have a small problem in my installer that I'm unable to resolve: After running the deb, the widget gets installed. It can then be added to the desktop by the user through the normal Desktop Config Add Widget process. It shows up in the list and is selectable. But then it does not show up on the desktop! However, once the device is rebooted, the added widget is cleary visible and works well. Now I really don't want to forece my users to reboot just because of a widget. Therefore my question: what am I missing? Any special postinstall script to run? Or is it a problem of my .desktop file? [Desktop Entry] Name=shutter Comment=Issues a single IR command using LIRC Type=python X-Path=shutter.py X-Multiple=true Thanks for any help -Tom ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
(Resent with correct time/date) Hello all I've uploaded an alpha version of my shutter home widget (IR shutter for Nikon DSLR) to extras-devel. Functionaly, it works. But now I have a small problem in my installer that I'm unable to resolve: After running the deb, the widget gets installed. It can then be added to the desktop by the user through the normal Desktop Config Add Widget process. It shows up in the list and is selectable. But then it does not show up on the desktop! However, once the device is rebooted, the added widget is cleary visible and works well. Now I really don't want to forece my users to reboot just because of a widget. Therefore my question: what am I missing? Any special postinstall script to run? Or is it a problem of my .desktop file? [Desktop Entry] Name=shutter Comment=Issues a single IR command using LIRC Type=python X-Path=shutter.py X-Multiple=true Thanks for any help -Tom ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Thomas Waelti twae...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all I've uploaded an alpha version of my shutter home widget (IR shutter for Nikon DSLR) to extras-devel. Functionaly, it works. But now I have a small problem in my installer that I'm unable to resolve: After running the deb, the widget gets installed. It can then be added to the desktop by the user through the normal Desktop Config Add Widget process. It shows up in the list and is selectable. But then it does not show up on the desktop! However, once the device is rebooted, the added widget is cleary visible and works well. Now I really don't want to forece my users to reboot just because of a widget. Therefore my question: what am I missing? Any special postinstall script to run? Your applet might be crashing for some reason on first load. Can you test it on Scratchbox/X86 (using Xephyr) and tell us if you are able to reproduce the problem there? If yes, you might try to debug the crash by looking at the messages printed by hildon-desktop. Or is it a problem of my .desktop file? [Desktop Entry] Name=shutter Comment=Issues a single IR command using LIRC Type=python X-Path=shutter.py X-Multiple=true Except for this X-Multiple entry (which I don't know what is) I don't see a problem with it. Regards, -- Anderson Lizardo OpenBossa Labs - INdT Manaus - Brazil ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
