Re: [libreoffice-marketing] thoughts on the marketing phone conferences
Hi Drew, thanks for the feedback! drew wrote on 2011-08-01 16:26: One small idea and one amongst the steps that would be reasonably attained would be, a monthly correspondence (let's call it a newsletter, and think about some email/blog hybrid delivery, perhaps) and then schedule this monthly publication to trail the meeting by a few days. One of the functions of the meeting then is to allow anyone in the community a well defined way to get community news, which may be very local, in front of the broader community. so, to rephrase it, you plan that we do a meeting once a month, where every local community could share what is going on in terms of marketing at their place? Some sort of update instead of discussion? Sounds indeed attractive to me! Shall we do it solely in terms of marketing, or maybe switch the marketing calls into general community work update calls? Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] website terminology for free software
Hello, I've received a request to change two things on our website, regarding terminology: - Instead of solely using open source, I was asked that we should also use free software. - Linux should be referred to as GNU/Linux. I am, as we have a saying in Germany, rather emotionless on this, but I do see that many people have concerns with solely using open source or leaving out the GNU prefix. Shall we aim for achieving a good mixture of both terminologies? Anyone has severe concerns on that? Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] website terminology for free software
On 4 August 2011 20:57, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.orgwrote: Hello, I've received a request to change two things on our website, regarding terminology: - Instead of solely using open source, I was asked that we should also use free software. - Linux should be referred to as GNU/Linux. I think it is a bit like acknowledging a trademark. Since a good part of any Linux distro is software contributed by GNU it seems a simple courtesy to acknowledge that. It's easy to forget to because the term Linux is in such common use. However, I have come across people misusing the open source label because they think it might be a marketing advantage. The Fronter VLE is an example, trying to compete with Moodle. I am, as we have a saying in Germany, rather emotionless on this, but I do see that many people have concerns with solely using open source or leaving out the GNU prefix. I'm not emotional about it, but I can see some practical reasons why we should not ignore GNU or the freedoms specifically associated with FOSS rather than just OSS. Shall we aim for achieving a good mixture of both terminologies? Anyone has severe concerns on that? Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org** Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+help@global.** libreoffice.org marketing%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/**marketing/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] website terminology for free software
I'd say that when the FSF sits at our AB we should better comply :-) ... Best, Charles. Le 4 août 2011 21:58, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org a écrit : Hello, I've received a request to change two things on our website, regarding terminology: - Instead of solely using open source, I was asked that we should also use free software. - Linux should be referred to as GNU/Linux. I am, as we have a saying in Germany, rather emotionless on this, but I do see that many people have concerns with solely using open source or leaving out the GNU prefix. Shall we aim for achieving a good mixture of both terminologies? Anyone has severe concerns on that? Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] website terminology for free software
Hi Florian, Florian Effenberger wrote (04-08-11 21:57) I've received a request to change two things on our website, regarding terminology: - Instead of solely using open source, I was asked that we should also use free software. - Linux should be referred to as GNU/Linux. [...] Shall we aim for achieving a good mixture of both terminologies? Anyone has severe concerns on that? Using 'free' along side 'open source' is good anyway, because it adds an extra dimension to our message, that is quite easy to understand. The use of 'GNU' does not add anything that is easy to understand. It's more something that people 'in the know' like to see. It might look a bit more weird to people that are new. But the change that it hurts is so small, that I do not object the use of GNU/Linux. Cheers, -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] website terminology for free software
On 08/04/2011 01:36 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Florian, Florian Effenberger wrote (04-08-11 21:57) I've received a request to change two things on our website, regarding terminology: - Instead of solely using open source, I was asked that we should also use free software. - Linux should be referred to as GNU/Linux. [...] Shall we aim for achieving a good mixture of both terminologies? Anyone has severe concerns on that? Using 'free' along side 'open source' is good anyway, because it adds an extra dimension to our message, that is quite easy to understand. The use of 'GNU' does not add anything that is easy to understand. It's more something that people 'in the know' like to see. It might look a bit more weird to people that are new. But the change that it hurts is so small, that I do not object the use of GNU/Linux. Cheers, I agree with Cor on both items. -Craig -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] website terminology for free software
On 08/04/2011 01:36 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: Using 'free' along side 'open source' is good anyway, because it adds an extra dimension to our message, that is quite easy to understand. The use of 'GNU' does not add anything that is easy to understand. It's more something that people 'in the know' like to see. It might look a bit more weird to people that are new. But the change that it hurts is so small, that I do not object the use of GNU/Linux. I agree as well. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com Mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] website terminology for free software
Hi :) +1 Although i prefer it when Gnu is title case rather than shouting. Also gnu is not divided by linux, they are added together. So, i tend to prefer GnuLinux but i'm probably the only one that has thought about it like that. Open Source is great. Free Software is ok but Free/OpenSource is messy and makes people think of those Freeware utilities that clutter up systems and even cause problems or free trials. The problem is trying to show that LibreOffice is not cheap crap. Oddly people don't think of the word priceless. In England there is a well known phrase You get what you pay for meaning that the more expensive something is the better it is and this attitude is deeply embedded in the English psyche. Regards from Tom :) From: C. Olofson c.olof...@gmail.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thu, 4 August, 2011 21:57:42 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] website terminology for free software On 08/04/2011 01:36 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Florian, Florian Effenberger wrote (04-08-11 21:57) I've received a request to change two things on our website, regarding terminology: - Instead of solely using open source, I was asked that we should also use free software. - Linux should be referred to as GNU/Linux. [...] Shall we aim for achieving a good mixture of both terminologies? Anyone has severe concerns on that? Using 'free' along side 'open source' is good anyway, because it adds an extra dimension to our message, that is quite easy to understand. The use of 'GNU' does not add anything that is easy to understand. It's more something that people 'in the know' like to see. It might look a bit more weird to people that are new. But the change that it hurts is so small, that I do not object the use of GNU/Linux. Cheers, I agree with Cor on both items. -Craig -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] website terminology for free software
Hi :) Lol !!! +1 !! I like it :) I worry that saying LO is free is blocking or at least severely hindering any marketing in the US or Uk. Regards from Tom :) From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thu, 4 August, 2011 21:30:16 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] website terminology for free software I'd say that when the FSF sits at our AB we should better comply :-) ... Best, Charles. Le 4 août 2011 21:58, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org a écrit : Hello, I've received a request to change two things on our website, regarding terminology: - Instead of solely using open source, I was asked that we should also use free software. - Linux should be referred to as GNU/Linux. I am, as we have a saying in Germany, rather emotionless on this, but I do see that many people have concerns with solely using open source or leaving out the GNU prefix. Shall we aim for achieving a good mixture of both terminologies? Anyone has severe concerns on that? Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] website terminology for free software
i agree with tom, how ever i like the GNULinux as they are one for me, and FOSS - Free open source software is okay and great, libreoffice is a high quality product how ever it wont work in my primery job since one of our accounts develped and manipulted macros that not even the MS devs will invent in a dacade or too, all i know it had something to do with dimension formulas for calc (Exel) -- Warren Camilleri war...@ossmalta.com Founding Member of The Open Source Society Malta community Mobile: +356 7991 2004 Skype: ossmalta | Twitter: @ossmalta -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 11:27 PM To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] website terminology for free software Hi :) +1 Although i prefer it when Gnu is title case rather than shouting. Also gnu is not divided by linux, they are added together. So, i tend to prefer GnuLinux but i'm probably the only one that has thought about it like that. Open Source is great. Free Software is ok but Free/OpenSource is messy and makes people think of those Freeware utilities that clutter up systems and even cause problems or free trials. The problem is trying to show that LibreOffice is not cheap crap. Oddly people don't think of the word priceless. In England there is a well known phrase You get what you pay for meaning that the more expensive something is the better it is and this attitude is deeply embedded in the English psyche. Regards from Tom :) From: C. Olofson c.olof...@gmail.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thu, 4 August, 2011 21:57:42 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] website terminology for free software On 08/04/2011 01:36 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Florian, Florian Effenberger wrote (04-08-11 21:57) I've received a request to change two things on our website, regarding terminology: - Instead of solely using open source, I was asked that we should also use free software. - Linux should be referred to as GNU/Linux. [...] Shall we aim for achieving a good mixture of both terminologies? Anyone has severe concerns on that? Using 'free' along side 'open source' is good anyway, because it adds an extra dimension to our message, that is quite easy to understand. The use of 'GNU' does not add anything that is easy to understand. It's more something that people 'in the know' like to see. It might look a bit more weird to people that are new. But the change that it hurts is so small, that I do not object the use of GNU/Linux. Cheers, I agree with Cor on both items. -Craig -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] website terminology for free software
On 4 Aug 2011, at 20:57, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, I've received a request to change two things on our website, regarding terminology: - Instead of solely using open source, I was asked that we should also use free software. TL;DR summary: FOSS is a reasonable term to use sparingly in English (FOSS - Free, Open Source Software). Explanation: FLOSS is not a good term to use as it appears humourous to most people not educated to regard it otherwise. Over-use of Free distracts most native English speakers who rarely associate it with Liberty unless educated to do so and I don't think that's TDF's role. FOSS - Free, Open Source Software - works in many contexts as it does not have other common meanings and provokes curiosity, but should not be over-used as jargon and acronyms make text look complex. Open Source is a term widely recognised among computer users and is thus a good colloquial term in contexts where the message is about LibreOffice rather than about software freedom as a philosophy or ethical system. So my recommendation would be to occasionally use the construct Free, Open Source software (say once per page) and otherwise stick with open source. - Linux should be referred to as GNU/Linux. For most people it really doesn't matter, and it makes some people happy, so why not. I am, as we have a saying in Germany, rather emotionless on this, but I do see that many people have concerns with solely using open source or leaving out the GNU prefix. Shall we aim for achieving a good mixture of both terminologies? Anyone has severe concerns on that? Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] website terminology for free software
2011/8/4 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Hello, Hi Florian I've received a request to change two things on our website, regarding terminology: - Instead of solely using open source, I was asked that we should also use free software. - Linux should be referred to as GNU/Linux. I am, as we have a saying in Germany, rather emotionless on this, but I do see that many people have concerns with solely using open source or leaving out the GNU prefix. Shall we aim for achieving a good mixture of both terminologies? Anyone has severe concerns on that? I think the term FOSS, or FLOSS should be acceptable for most people. Regarding to the terms Linux and GNU/Linux, I think there's a lot of emotion and misunderstanding on this matter. Whatever the term we use, there will always be someone unhappy. Florian Cheers -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org** Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Paulo de Souza Lima Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador http://www.pasl.net.br http://almalivre.wordpress.com Curitiba - PR Linux User #432358 Ubuntu User #28729 Para que as pessoas conquistem a paz em suas relações, a paz espiritual e a paz entre os povos, é preciso que antes se ganhe a batalha interna das virtudes sobre os defeitos - Talal Husseini - Filósofo Acropolitano For people to achieve peace in their relationships, spiritual peace and the peace among people, it's necessary, earlier, to win the internal battle between virtues and defects - Talal Husseini - Acropolitan Philosopher -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
