Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page
Hi Dave, * Dave Johnson schrieb: That sounds good to me. Still need official art for the cover of the DVD. [...] Jens Habermann is working on DVD labels and covers. Please have a look at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:JeHa These designs are not yet decided to become official - they might be improved / finalized during the next weeks. I'm sorry that I can't provide you official art now, but we're working hard to create LibO related mimetype icons and get them included in the official package before the last RC will become the final release... So please bear with us... As Drew needs the final DVDs in about two months, I'm quite sure that we will be able to create finalized covers and labels until the end of January. Please have a look at the des...@libreoffice.org list for details... Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page
Hi Tom, Am 31.12.2010 11:51, schrieb Tom Davies: I think it is just easy access to the source code that is required? I think the spirit of the agreement would make it more relevant to just let people know they can download the product for free and give them the LibreOffice site? LibreOfficeBox, for example, contains the source code as well. Delivering the product on a DVD is also (or mainly?) meant for people who cannot download it, for whatever reason. In order to supply those people with the source code as prescribed, the best way would be to put it on the same disk. Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page
I agree. Dave Johnson On Dec 31, 2010 5:32 AM, Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote: Hi Tom, Am 31.12.2010 11:51, schrieb Tom Davies: I think it is just easy access to the source code that is required? I think the spirit of t... LibreOfficeBox, for example, contains the source code as well. Delivering the product on a DVD is also (or mainly?) meant for people who cannot download it, for whatever reason. In order to supply those people with the source code as prescribed, the best way would be to put it on the same disk. Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to mar... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page
Ok, thanks guys :) Regards from Tom :) From: Dave Johnson davefilms...@gmail.com To: marketing@libreoffice.org Sent: Fri, 31 December, 2010 15:23:40 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page I agree. Dave Johnson On Dec 31, 2010 5:32 AM, Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote: Hi Tom, Am 31.12.2010 11:51, schrieb Tom Davies: I think it is just easy access to the source code that is required? I think the spirit of t... LibreOfficeBox, for example, contains the source code as well. Delivering the product on a DVD is also (or mainly?) meant for people who cannot download it, for whatever reason. In order to supply those people with the source code as prescribed, the best way would be to put it on the same disk. Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to mar... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page
On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 12:32 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: Hi Tom, Am 31.12.2010 11:51, schrieb Tom Davies: I think it is just easy access to the source code that is required? I think the spirit of the agreement would make it more relevant to just let people know they can download the product for free and give them the LibreOffice site? LibreOfficeBox, for example, contains the source code as well. For LibreOffice true, and I would not want to distribute a DVD at a Linux fest that did not contain that - but for the other FOSS packages on the LibreOffieBox DVD - Binary only. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
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My focus is to offer the DVD to anyone. BTW not a lot of people are aware of LibO in the US. So from a marketing POV it makes sence to promote it in every way and offer it to bystanders at any opportunity. Dave Johnson On Dec 31, 2010 12:49 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 12:32 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: Hi Tom, Am 31.12.2010 11:51, schrieb ... the spirit of the agreement would make it more relevant to just let people know they can download the product for free and give them the LibreOffice site? LibreOfficeBox, for example, contains the source code as well. For LibreOffice true, and I would not want to distribute a DVD at a Linux fest that did not contain that - but for the other FOSS packages on the LibreOffieBox DVD - Binary only. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.orgmarketing%2bh...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listar... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
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On 12/31/2010 10:49 AM, drew wrote: On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 12:32 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: Hi Tom, Am 31.12.2010 11:51, schrieb Tom Davies: I think it is just easy access to the source code that is required? I think the spirit of the agreement would make it more relevant to just let people know they can download the product for free and give them the LibreOffice site? LibreOfficeBox, for example, contains the source code as well. For LibreOffice true, and I would not want to distribute a DVD at a Linux fest that did not contain that - but for the other FOSS packages on the LibreOffieBox DVD - Binary only. Thanks Drew Just an fyi; LibreOffice is released under LGPL v3[1]. Section 4-d-0 indicates that distributors must follow the GPL v3 section 6 guidelines for making source code available[2]. How one makes the source code available is where it gets fuzzy for me. I am hoping someone on this list can put this in layman's language. In short, though, whoever distributes (and however they choose to do so) carries with it non-negotiable responsibilities to give equivalent access to the source code. And keep in mind this is version-specific. Happily, v3 makes it easier to point to a source repository as opposed to actually maintaining one but, one should take care that the repository will be around for the requisite period of time. hope this helps, -Craig 1) GNU Lesser General Public License: http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/license/ 2) GNU General Public License: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
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Thanks, Charles. On Dec 29, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: That is all true. But that does not mean that using an url as libreoffcedvd is automatically OK. Maybe we should have paid more attention discussing that? That's a valid point. But as far as I know, we don't have a policy on URLs that include the term libreoffice yet. Until we do, we cannot say that Dave is or is not following our policy! Once a fair policy is developed and agreed upon, I'm sure he and other project participants will be happy to follow it. Have you heard any discussion about this topic elsewhere that I may have missed? No indeed. So what I can say is that we have no trademark policy that is being formalized now; I would as a caution advise against using LibreOffice and the Document Foundation as trademarks for the moment. On the other hand I commit myself to discuss an upcoming and acceptable trademark policy asap and to speed up things. We can take a look at the example of the Drupal community for one successful policy. The Drupal trademark cannot be used by for-profit companies or in their domains, but it is permitted for non-profits and in the domain names of non-profits. I think this has worked well for them, and could provide a good model for LibreOffice as well. I am looking forward to this conversation and developing a good policy for the trademarks going forward. Thanks for your input so far. -Ben Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page
On 12/30/2010 03:35 PM, Benjamin Horst wrote: We can take a look at the example of the Drupal community for one successful policy. The Drupal trademark cannot be used by for-profit companies or in their domains, but it is permitted for non-profits and in the domain names of non-profits. I think this has worked well for them, and could provide a good model for LibreOffice as well. I will be working at a draft trademark policy based on Ubuntu, Drupal and WikiMedia trademark policies. I will share it as soon as it will be polished enough to be considered a working draft. Please point me to other trademark policies if they are worth looking at. -- Italo Vignoli - The Document Foundation E-mail: italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org Mobile +39.348.5653829 - VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli - GTalk: italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page
On Dec 30, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 12/30/2010 03:35 PM, Benjamin Horst wrote: We can take a look at the example of the Drupal community for one successful policy. The Drupal trademark cannot be used by for-profit companies or in their domains, but it is permitted for non-profits and in the domain names of non-profits. I think this has worked well for them, and could provide a good model for LibreOffice as well. I will be working at a draft trademark policy based on Ubuntu, Drupal and WikiMedia trademark policies. I will share it as soon as it will be polished enough to be considered a working draft. Please point me to other trademark policies if they are worth looking at. Just thinking of other major open source projects, the following come to mind: Linux Firefox Eclipse KDE GNOME Firefox should definitely be on our list, while the others may also help. Thanks! -Ben Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page
Benjamin Horst wrote: We can take a look at the example of the Drupal community for one successful policy. The Drupal trademark cannot be used by for-profit companies or in their domains, but it is permitted for non-profits and in the domain names of non-profits. I think this has worked well for them, and could provide a good model for LibreOffice as well. It's a good idea, but this policy will require significant adaptations to be useful for LibreOffice: for example, Drupal is not sold on DVDs, and does not share code with similar projects bearing its name (to make it clear: I can envisage someone wanting to build and distribute/sell something called LibreOffice Professional Edition consisting of LibreOffice + extras; this would be done in Drupal in a different way, with installation profiles not containing the Drupal name). The Drupal policy is very complex anyway: http://drupal.com/trademark And moreover, handling requests is quite a burden for Dries Buytaert (the trademark holder), at about 100/year (89 in 11 months): http://buytaert.net/drupal-trademark-policy-update-after-11-months So it's good to have a policy but you have to spend a lot of resources either to create a suitable one (you can use Drupal's as a starting point, but it really needs to be adapted and discussed) or to handle requests. Regards, Andrea. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
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Hi all, On 30/12/2010 18:10, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Benjamin Horst wrote: We can take a look at the example of the Drupal community for one successful policy. The Drupal trademark cannot be used by for-profit companies or in their domains, but it is permitted for non-profits and in the domain names of non-profits. I think this has worked well for them, and could provide a good model for LibreOffice as well. It's a good idea, but this policy will require significant adaptations to be useful for LibreOffice: for example, Drupal is not sold on DVDs, and does not share code with similar projects bearing its name (to make it clear: I can envisage someone wanting to build and distribute/sell something called LibreOffice Professional Edition consisting of LibreOffice + extras; this would be done in Drupal in a different way, with installation profiles not containing the Drupal name). The Drupal policy is very complex anyway: http://drupal.com/trademark And moreover, handling requests is quite a burden for Dries Buytaert (the trademark holder), at about 100/year (89 in 11 months): http://buytaert.net/drupal-trademark-policy-update-after-11-months So it's good to have a policy but you have to spend a lot of resources either to create a suitable one (you can use Drupal's as a starting point, but it really needs to be adapted and discussed) or to handle requests. Fully agreed, and that should also be discussed with our packagers. Some of us have already spent hours, months if not years on this for OOo, André, Bernhard, René, Caolán, Cor, to name only some of them. So please make sure they are also in the discussion, their inputs will be really invaluable. Kind regards Sophie -- Founding member of The Document Foundation -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
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On 12/30/2010 04:53 PM, Sophie Gautier wrote: Fully agreed, and that should also be discussed with our packagers. Some of us have already spent hours, months if not years on this for OOo, André, Bernhard, René, Caolán, Cor, to name only some of them. So please make sure they are also in the discussion, their inputs will be really invaluable. I will share the draft as quickly as I can, and in any case it is going to be a basis for discussion. -- Italo Vignoli - The Document Foundation E-mail: italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org Mobile +39.348.5653829 - VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli - GTalk: italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
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Hi Italo, On 30/12/2010 19:07, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 12/30/2010 04:53 PM, Sophie Gautier wrote: Fully agreed, and that should also be discussed with our packagers. Some of us have already spent hours, months if not years on this for OOo, André, Bernhard, René, Caolán, Cor, to name only some of them. So please make sure they are also in the discussion, their inputs will be really invaluable. I will share the draft as quickly as I can, and in any case it is going to be a basis for discussion. Thanks Italo for your work on this, I've no doubt that you will be considerate of them :) Kind regards Sophie -- Founding member of The Document Foundation -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
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On Wed, 2010-12-29 at 10:22 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: Since he removed his offer, there is no need for further discussion. Hi Stefan, Thanks for taking such good care here. Perhaps this would be a good point, for David's benefit, if you could tell him a bit about the LibreOfficeBox project, how it functions and it's relationship with the broader LibreOffice community. This would help Dave and all of us I believe. Thanks much, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page
On Tue, 2010-12-28 at 16:35 -0600, Dave Johnson wrote: I am NOT selling the software just a professionally made DVD with a Windows and Macintosh binary. Probably OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 Hi Dave, Sorry for being so delinquent in getting involved in your ideas here - I have read along. I was curious about your plans, for example. There will be need, I suppose, for discs to use for swag at Linux fests and the like, have you considered at all how you might be able to help in this regard. I know that is a bit forward, but as the first fest in the US is now less then 60 days away I need to start making concrete plans for what is possible and what is not. Thanks much, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
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On Thu, 2010-12-30 at 18:16 -0600, Dave Johnson wrote: I can provide as little as 25 DVD's or a couple hundred. I cannot provide any free DVD's but I can at cost. The more the less per unit cost. I can have them ready in 7 - 10 biz days. Ok - would you want to discuss this on list then or a phone call perhaps? thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
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I will be able to take a phone call Friday in the afternoon. Either number is good. I am in the central time zone. Or we can just email. Your preference. Dave Johnson, USNFR davefilms...@gmail.com 6195496830 http://www.davefilms.us (619) 335-5314 (619) 335-5314Dave Johnson DUNS number: 826989779 Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/; On Dec 30, 2010, at 6:21 PM, drew wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-30 at 18:16 -0600, Dave Johnson wrote: I can provide as little as 25 DVD's or a couple hundred. I cannot provide any free DVD's but I can at cost. The more the less per unit cost. I can have them ready in 7 - 10 biz days. Ok - would you want to discuss this on list then or a phone call perhaps? thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
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That sounds good to me. Still need official art for the cover of the DVD. Dave Johnson, USNFR davefilms...@gmail.com 6195496830 http://www.davefilms.us (619) 335-5314 (619) 335-5314Dave Johnson DUNS number: 826989779 Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/; On Dec 30, 2010, at 6:23 PM, drew wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-30 at 19:21 -0500, drew wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-30 at 18:16 -0600, Dave Johnson wrote: I can provide as little as 25 DVD's or a couple hundred. I cannot provide any free DVD's but I can at cost. The more the less per unit cost. I can have them ready in 7 - 10 biz days. Ok - would you want to discuss this on list then or a phone call perhaps? sorry for following my own post. @Benjamin - If Dave and I chat on phone I would really prefer if we could get you on the line at the same time, hopefully we could find a time good for all of us. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
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On Thu, 2010-12-30 at 18:28 -0600, Dave Johnson wrote: Still need official art for the cover of the DVD. Precisely - we would need to start on this yesterday. There is art we can either re-use or use as a starting point from the LibreOfficeBox project. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
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Hi Drew, David, * Am 31.12.2010 01:06, schrieb drew: Perhaps this would be a good point, for David's benefit, if you could tell him a bit about the LibreOfficeBox project, how it functions and it's relationship with the broader LibreOffice community. I am hardly involved in the LibreOfficeBox project. So, I may not be the right one to tell about it. However, here is what I beleive to know about it: It´s idea evolved from the PrOOoBox, a CD/DVD distribution project, driven by members of the germanophone OOo subproject. http://www.prooo-box.org/ There were CDs or DVDs or memory sticks, optionally packed in a nice box and bundled with a brochure/manual. Look: //www.ooodev.org/fanartikel.html The disks contained the installers (for different or all platforms), language packs, source code, lots of documentation, art work, templates and so on. The discs have a website-like user interface. You can see a mirror of this interface in the web: http://live.prooo-box.org/de/ Have a look at the LibreOfficeBox Homepage http://www.libreofficebox.org/ which pretty much represents the user interface of the upcoming LibreOfficeBox DVDs. You can download an early developer snapshot of the LibreOfficeBox-ISO here: http://torrent.projects.ooodev.org:6969/index.html?search=DVD Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
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Hi :) Please can we try to be civil with each other. Just because someone uses a system you don't approve of does not make them wrong. OpenSource gives us choices and gives the opportunity to respect each others cultural and other differences. I know it is a bit non-standard in the world out there!! Dave is putting a LOT of work into preparing for the future. I realise that some would rather wait until after the release before starting to prepare for it. Thanks to him if anyone gets an opportunity to launch an advertising campaign they don't have to spend ages developing it. They can just reach for the final draft of the work he has done, or even his originals or if they do have time they might use his work as a starting point. So, if anyone manages to get an article in their local paper about the forthcoming release of LibreOffice they can ask for one of the ads he created to be included on the same page. We need people to get articles out there BEFORE release. We need to be up and running from the moment the release arrives, or even before. Starting to get things ready AFTER release would be like inviting people round to dinner and not going out to shop for the food until after they arrived. From Dave's comments i would assume he is preparing for release, or else maybe stamping the betas with a note telling people they are betas. I would not have assumed that he was deliberately doing something wrong. So far i have had no troubles working out who said what in Dave's emails. Obviously he is going to get a lot of criticism because he is the most active person in here but until you reach the same level of activity as him it is unjust to criticise. Please find a way to work with people rather than against them especially when they are doing great stuff. Regards from Tom :) From: Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org To: marketing@libreoffice.org Sent: Wed, 29 December, 2010 7:10:00 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page Hi Dave, Am 28.12.2010 23:35, schrieb Dave Johnson: I am NOT selling the software just a professionally made DVD with a Windows and Macintosh binary. Probably OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 So what is on the DVD you are offering? * LibreOffice has not been released yet. * OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 has not been released yet * Please don´t sell DVDs labeled LibreOffice when OpenOffice.org is on it. * Please don´t sell DVDs with beta state software without telling that it is beta state software. If you mean to support the project by distributing a professionally made DVD on your website, which basically is a good thing, I would like to see a professionally made website as well. And please, for the sake of usability of this list for all readers, please have a look at: http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Thank you very much! Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
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Hi Ben, *, Benjamin Horst wrote (29-12-10 03:09) On Dec 28, 2010, at 5:56 PM, drew wrote: On Tue, 2010-12-28 at 23:39 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: But please don't set up websites in the blue like this. IMO that is just wrong, Dave has kept this list apprised at every step he has taken, as he took it. Indeed, Dave brought this up some time ago and a number of people discussed it in a thread. My recollection is that I (and others) strongly encouraged he do this. It was, and is, my understanding that LibO has no official disc distributor and is happy to have individuals provide the service within their local regions. The open source nature of the software encourages this, and at the very reasonable price point Dave chose, I don't see what could be a problem here. More people will be able to get copies of LibreOffice, which is good for the project and all of us involved! That is all true. But that does not mean that using an url as libreoffcedvd is automatically OK. Maybe we should have paid more attention discussing that? Best, Cor -- - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
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Hi Tom, Am 29.12.2010 09:36, schrieb Tom Davies: Please can we try to be civil with each other. Just because someone uses a system you don't approve of does not make them wrong. OpenSource gives us choices and gives the opportunity to respect each others cultural and other differences. I know it is a bit non-standard in the world out there!! OpenSource does not mean to sell things that do not exist and by this potentially bring harm to the reputation of the the concerned OpenSource project. From Dave's comments i would assume he is preparing for release, or else maybe stamping the betas with a note telling people they are betas. I would not have assumed that he was deliberately doing something wrong. Dave removed the offer from the website. Until he removed it, he was actually offering and taking orders for LibreOffice 3.3.0 on a DVD, although this product does not exist yet. That´s what made me worry. Since he removed his offer, there is no need for further discussion. So far i have had no troubles working out who said what in Dave's emails. Obviously he is going to get a lot of criticism because he is the most active person in here but until you reach the same level of activity as him it is unjust to criticise. Please find a way to work with people rather than against them especially when they are doing great stuff. This all is not meant to critisize someone for his level of activity, but to prevent wrong behavior, of which nobody is immune. The people who stepped in here, all show a very high level of contribution to the project. However, intervening against failures doesn´t need justification by high activity. Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page
On Dec 29, 2010, at 3:32 AM, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Ben, *, Benjamin Horst wrote (29-12-10 03:09) On Dec 28, 2010, at 5:56 PM, drew wrote: On Tue, 2010-12-28 at 23:39 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: But please don't set up websites in the blue like this. IMO that is just wrong, Dave has kept this list apprised at every step he has taken, as he took it. Indeed, Dave brought this up some time ago and a number of people discussed it in a thread. My recollection is that I (and others) strongly encouraged he do this. It was, and is, my understanding that LibO has no official disc distributor and is happy to have individuals provide the service within their local regions. The open source nature of the software encourages this, and at the very reasonable price point Dave chose, I don't see what could be a problem here. More people will be able to get copies of LibreOffice, which is good for the project and all of us involved! That is all true. But that does not mean that using an url as libreoffcedvd is automatically OK. Maybe we should have paid more attention discussing that? That's a valid point. But as far as I know, we don't have a policy on URLs that include the term libreoffice yet. Until we do, we cannot say that Dave is or is not following our policy! Once a fair policy is developed and agreed upon, I'm sure he and other project participants will be happy to follow it. Have you heard any discussion about this topic elsewhere that I may have missed? -Ben Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page
Benjamin Horst wrote (29-12-10 15:11) On Dec 29, 2010, at 3:32 AM, Cor Nouws wrote: That is all true. But that does not mean that using an url as libreoffcedvd is automatically OK. Maybe we should have paid more attention discussing that? That's a valid point. But as far as I know, we don't have a policy on URLs that include the term libreoffice yet. Until we do, we cannot say that Dave is or is not following our policy! Yes that is correct. On the other hand, to me it looks a sort of common sense that you discuss with each other about the use of such domain names .. (So more the bad that I didn't took the trouble to listen to the small bells ringing in my head, some weeks ago. Sorry :-( ) Once a fair policy is developed and agreed upon, I'm sure he and other project participants will be happy to follow it. Have you heard any discussion about this topic elsewhere that I may have missed? As expressed above: it is obvious that such a policy will be in place. So anticipating and discussing ideas whenever they come up, is most logic IMO. Cor -- - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page
Hello, This web site is not an official website endorsed by the Document Foundation; and I believe your right to use for business the LibreOffice trademark has not be granted to you. Not only do I find a discussion about a private business to be quite unappropriate on this list, but I would also like Dave Johnson to take down this website immediately, at least not to use the LibreOffice name . The Document Foundation may not have defined a clear trademark policy yet but it would be wise to ask before hand. Thank you, Charles-H. Schulz. Co-Founder Steering Committee Member, The Document Foundation. 2010/12/28 Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org Hi Dave, Am 26.12.2010 01:45, schrieb Dave Johnson: Just FYI... The DVD will be professionally manufactured with a color printed face and printed insert. http://www.libreofficedvd.info/ Comments are welcome. How can you sell LibreOffice on a DVD, when it has not been released yet??? Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.orgmarketing%2bh...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page
Dave Johnson, USNFR davefilms...@gmail.com 6195496830 http://www.davefilms.us (619) 335-5314 Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/; On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:44 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello, This web site is not an official website endorsed by the Document Foundation; and I believe your right to use for business the LibreOffice trademark has not be granted to you. I was changing the logo because I realized the page looked like an official LibO page. It's changed. Not only do I find a discussion about a private business to be quite (inappropriate) spelling error unappropriate on this list, but I would also like Dave Johnson to take down this website immediately, at least not to use the LibreOffice name . I cannot take the page down. I did change the logo. The Document Foundation may not have defined a clear trademark policy yet but it would be wise to ask before hand. http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/index.jsp According to the US Patent ands Trademark Office LibreOffice is not a registered trademark. Better hurry. I think your tone is rude. I am not making a dime from offering a professionally manufactured DVD and giving the TDF $1.50 USD donation per unit. This is just the kind of thing that I would expect from Oracle. I am just trying to help spread the love of LibreOffice. Maybe you should change the name to EncomberedOffice or Not-so-free-if-you-want-to-helpOffice. Thank you, No Thank you Charles-H. Schulz. Co-Founder Steering Committee Member, The Document Foundation. 2010/12/28 Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org Hi Dave, Am 26.12.2010 01:45, schrieb Dave Johnson: Just FYI... The DVD will be professionally manufactured with a color printed face and printed insert. http://www.libreofficedvd.info/ Comments are welcome. How can you sell LibreOffice on a DVD, when it has not been released yet??? Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.orgmarketing%2bh...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page
I am NOT selling the software just a professionally made DVD with a Windows and Macintosh binary. Probably OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 Dave Johnson, USNFR davefilms...@gmail.com 6195496830 http://www.davefilms.us (619) 335-5314 Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/; On Dec 28, 2010, at 1:19 AM, Stefan Weigel wrote: Hi Dave, Am 26.12.2010 01:45, schrieb Dave Johnson: Just FYI... The DVD will be professionally manufactured with a color printed face and printed insert. http://www.libreofficedvd.info/ Comments are welcome. How can you sell LibreOffice on a DVD, when it has not been released yet??? Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page
Dave, 2010/12/28 Dave Johnson davefilms...@gmail.com Dave Johnson, USNFR davefilms...@gmail.com 6195496830 http://www.davefilms.us (619) 335-5314 Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/; On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:44 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello, This web site is not an official website endorsed by the Document Foundation; and I believe your right to use for business the LibreOffice trademark has not be granted to you. I was changing the logo because I realized the page looked like an official LibO page. It's changed. Not only do I find a discussion about a private business to be quite (inappropriate) spelling error unappropriate on this list, but I would also like Dave Johnson to take down this website immediately, at least not to use the LibreOffice name . I cannot take the page down. I did change the logo. The Document Foundation may not have defined a clear trademark policy yet but it would be wise to ask before hand. http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/index.jsp According to the US Patent ands Trademark Office LibreOffice is not a registered trademark. Better hurry. We're in the process of registering this in the US. I think your tone is rude. I am not making a dime from offering a professionally manufactured DVD and giving the TDF $1.50 USD donation per unit. This is just the kind of thing that I would expect from Oracle. I am just trying to help spread the love of LibreOffice. Maybe you should change the name to EncomberedOffice or Not-so-free-if-you-want-to-helpOffice. Dave if you don't make a buck out of it then you're indeed losing money and energy. If you're interested in distributing or managing the distribution of CD/DVD then let's talk about it here. But please don't set up websites in the blue like this. Thanks, Charles. Thank you, No Thank you Charles-H. Schulz. Co-Founder Steering Committee Member, The Document Foundation. 2010/12/28 Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org Hi Dave, Am 26.12.2010 01:45, schrieb Dave Johnson: Just FYI... The DVD will be professionally manufactured with a color printed face and printed insert. http://www.libreofficedvd.info/ Comments are welcome. How can you sell LibreOffice on a DVD, when it has not been released yet??? Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.orgmarketing%2bh...@libreoffice.org marketing%2bh...@libreoffice.org marketing%252bh...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.orgmarketing%2bh...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.orgmarketing%2bh...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page
I am interested. Just give me the green light when you think it is appropriate. Sorry for the tension. I haven't had my coffee. Let me know. Until then.. I will stop completely. There are plenty of people with blank CD's that can help you. I really want to help. You really bring a guy down. Dave Johnson, USNFR davefilms...@gmail.com 6195496830 http://www.davefilms.us (619) 335-5314 Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/; On Dec 28, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Dave, 2010/12/28 Dave Johnson davefilms...@gmail.com Dave Johnson, USNFR davefilms...@gmail.com 6195496830 http://www.davefilms.us (619) 335-5314 Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/; On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:44 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello, This web site is not an official website endorsed by the Document Foundation; and I believe your right to use for business the LibreOffice trademark has not be granted to you. I was changing the logo because I realized the page looked like an official LibO page. It's changed. Not only do I find a discussion about a private business to be quite (inappropriate) spelling error unappropriate on this list, but I would also like Dave Johnson to take down this website immediately, at least not to use the LibreOffice name . I cannot take the page down. I did change the logo. The Document Foundation may not have defined a clear trademark policy yet but it would be wise to ask before hand. http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/index.jsp According to the US Patent ands Trademark Office LibreOffice is not a registered trademark. Better hurry. We're in the process of registering this in the US. I think your tone is rude. I am not making a dime from offering a professionally manufactured DVD and giving the TDF $1.50 USD donation per unit. This is just the kind of thing that I would expect from Oracle. I am just trying to help spread the love of LibreOffice. Maybe you should change the name to EncomberedOffice or Not-so-free-if-you-want-to-helpOffice. Dave if you don't make a buck out of it then you're indeed losing money and energy. If you're interested in distributing or managing the distribution of CD/DVD then let's talk about it here. But please don't set up websites in the blue like this. Thanks, Charles. Thank you, No Thank you Charles-H. Schulz. Co-Founder Steering Committee Member, The Document Foundation. 2010/12/28 Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org Hi Dave, Am 26.12.2010 01:45, schrieb Dave Johnson: Just FYI... The DVD will be professionally manufactured with a color printed face and printed insert. http://www.libreofficedvd.info/ Comments are welcome. How can you sell LibreOffice on a DVD, when it has not been released yet??? Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.orgmarketing%2bh...@libreoffice.org marketing%2bh...@libreoffice.org marketing%252bh...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.orgmarketing%2bh...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.orgmarketing%2bh...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Fwd: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page
Dave Johnson, USNFR davefilms...@gmail.com 6195496830 http://www.davefilms.us (619) 335-5314 (619) 335-5314Dave Johnson DUNS number: 826989779 Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/; Begin forwarded message: From: Dave Johnson davefilms...@gmail.com Date: December 28, 2010 4:45:19 PM CST To: marketing@libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page I am interested. Just give me the green light when you think it is appropriate. Sorry for the tension. I haven't had my coffee. Let me know. Until then.. I will stop completely. There are plenty of people with blank CD's that can help you. I really want to help. You really bring a guy down. Dave Johnson, USNFR davefilms...@gmail.com 6195496830 http://www.davefilms.us (619) 335-5314 Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/; On Dec 28, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Dave, 2010/12/28 Dave Johnson davefilms...@gmail.com Dave Johnson, USNFR davefilms...@gmail.com 6195496830 http://www.davefilms.us (619) 335-5314 Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/; On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:44 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello, This web site is not an official website endorsed by the Document Foundation; and I believe your right to use for business the LibreOffice trademark has not be granted to you. I was changing the logo because I realized the page looked like an official LibO page. It's changed. Not only do I find a discussion about a private business to be quite (inappropriate) spelling error unappropriate on this list, but I would also like Dave Johnson to take down this website immediately, at least not to use the LibreOffice name . I cannot take the page down. I did change the logo. The Document Foundation may not have defined a clear trademark policy yet but it would be wise to ask before hand. http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/index.jsp According to the US Patent ands Trademark Office LibreOffice is not a registered trademark. Better hurry. We're in the process of registering this in the US. I think your tone is rude. I am not making a dime from offering a professionally manufactured DVD and giving the TDF $1.50 USD donation per unit. This is just the kind of thing that I would expect from Oracle. I am just trying to help spread the love of LibreOffice. Maybe you should change the name to EncomberedOffice or Not-so-free-if-you-want-to-helpOffice. Dave if you don't make a buck out of it then you're indeed losing money and energy. If you're interested in distributing or managing the distribution of CD/DVD then let's talk about it here. But please don't set up websites in the blue like this. Thanks, Charles. Thank you, No Thank you Charles-H. Schulz. Co-Founder Steering Committee Member, The Document Foundation. 2010/12/28 Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org Hi Dave, Am 26.12.2010 01:45, schrieb Dave Johnson: Just FYI... The DVD will be professionally manufactured with a color printed face and printed insert. http://www.libreofficedvd.info/ Comments are welcome. How can you sell LibreOffice on a DVD, when it has not been released yet??? Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.orgmarketing%2bh...@libreoffice.org marketing%2bh...@libreoffice.org marketing%252bh...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.orgmarketing%2bh...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.orgmarketing%2bh...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page
On Tue, 2010-12-28 at 23:39 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: But please don't set up websites in the blue like this. Hello Charles, IMO that is just wrong, Dave has kept this list apprised at every step he has taken, as he took it. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page
Hi Dave, Am 28.12.2010 23:35, schrieb Dave Johnson: I am NOT selling the software just a professionally made DVD with a Windows and Macintosh binary. Probably OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 So what is on the DVD you are offering? * LibreOffice has not been released yet. * OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 has not been released yet * Please don´t sell DVDs labeled LibreOffice when OpenOffice.org is on it. * Please don´t sell DVDs with beta state software without telling that it is beta state software. If you mean to support the project by distributing a professionally made DVD on your website, which basically is a good thing, I would like to see a professionally made website as well. And please, for the sake of usability of this list for all readers, please have a look at: http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Thank you very much! Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page
Hi Dave, Am 26.12.2010 01:45, schrieb Dave Johnson: Just FYI... The DVD will be professionally manufactured with a color printed face and printed insert. http://www.libreofficedvd.info/ Comments are welcome. How can you sell LibreOffice on a DVD, when it has not been released yet??? Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page
Just FYI... The DVD will be professionally manufactured with a color printed face and printed insert. http://www.libreofficedvd.info/ Comments are welcome. BTW a video advert will explain the benefits of LibO. Dave Johnson, USNFR davefilms...@gmail.com 6195496830 http://www.davefilms.us (619) 335-5314 Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/; -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
