Re: What are we doing about Munich?
On 8/24/14, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: From: acolor...@gmail.com [mailto:acolor...@gmail.com] On And that's part of the problem. We need AOO-german nationals to work on transfering that communication into english (not only translate but present it). Otherwise we are behind a language paywall (and yes I know Gtranslate is good for german but still is more than translation) is context. Yes, but there is also another way of viewing: local working is local and each of interested in it, must get involved locally. I know a lot about OpenOffice, but sorry, I'm not a translator and translations are hard work for me, and make me not fun. Yes but the damage most time is NOT local. And that makes us act globally and locally. There was a big misstransalation of the news mainly because of sensationalist titles that affect the global perception of Open source (not just OpenOffice). However we are target and we want to clear as much of the fog created by sensationalism and also misstransaltions. Having germans write up (in english) like you are doing right now allow us to have a clearer image of the situation. Unfortunately we dont have much community involvement by the IT people from the Munich council here, which could help us to even clear even more the communication pipes. That said, AOO has the biggest voice, since we can launch a campaing and will target enterprise costumers on what the real details and why AOO has succeed in Munich despite the somewhat erroneous news. Please understand me correctly, I mean that it is a practical question weigh up how to get to the greatest possible success, is often the part of the international community be possible, but sometimes it's better to focus on local possibilities. It is for many of the employees at AOO interested, an important detail, the language in which they have to perform the communication. If they need to perform communication in English they will not participate, because they too difficult. People at the TDF are very active in germany marketing team, yet in AOO camp, marketing hasn't been a priority which bring us back to questioning what's the aim of AOO for pushing it's brand value into organizations. Unfortunately Apache cares a lot about avoiding being un-represented more than the succes of the project. I think is important to evaluate the future of AOO beyond the scope of development. I read it several times, but am not safe what you mean. Do you mean good public relations work for AOO is equally important as good programming? Then I agree with you. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: What are we doing about Munich?
On 8/24/14, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: From: acolor...@gmail.com [mailto:acolor...@gmail.com] On Yes but the damage most time is NOT local. And that makes us act globally and locally. There was a big misstransalation of the news mainly because of sensationalist titles that affect the global perception of Open source (not just OpenOffice). However we are target and we want to clear as much of the fog created by sensationalism and also misstransaltions. Having germans write up (in english) like you are doing right now allow us to have a clearer image of the situation. Unfortunately we dont have much community involvement by the IT people from the Munich council here, which could help us to even clear even more the communication pipes. That said, AOO has the biggest voice, since we can launch a campaing and will target enterprise costumers on what the real details and why AOO has succeed in Munich despite the somewhat erroneous news. You mean that not at all members of the AOO community know what it is in Munich and we therefore need translations so the situation is understandable? If so, I have been misunderstood, because I believed the situation in Munich would generally (and internationally) known. In the event that it would matter the situation in Munich to make it clear I could even write something about it, because to me the situation is well known. Would it be quite useful to do that? Perhaps as a blog post in https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/? If you havent really read all the articles, the media is backpedalling from what it was a greatly missconstrude headline news. This article introduce some corrections: http://www.techrepublic.com/article/no-munich-isnt-about-to-ditch-free-software-and-move-back-to-windows/ Of course a week later after the news broke and like we all know, the public end up with the first impressions. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: What are we doing about Munich?
Jörg Schmidt wrote: I believed the situation in Munich would generally (and internationally) known. Not necessarily. For example, I casually read, on mainstream news, that Munich was going back to Windows (and amusingly I had read about Munich adopting LIMUX only from specialized sites). No further clarifications after it. So I am definitely one of the people who would benefit from a competent writeup. I could even write something about it, because to me the situation is well known. Would it be quite useful to do that? Perhaps as a blog post in https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/? Please do. If you don't have the rights to publish it, someone (including me) can surely publish it for you. public relations work for AOO is equally important as good programming? Then I agree with you. And I agree with you both too. Fact is, we do have good programmers (even more than good, for that matter), but we don't have people very active and competent in marketing. This is the marketing list and indeed the level of activity should be much higher than what I'm seeing now; but it all depends on individuals participating on this list. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: What are we doing about Munich?
A most wanted work is the tracking and documentation of success stories Eric tenenbaum used to do this work on the wiki. Please search for success stories On Aug 24, 2014 12:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Jörg Schmidt wrote: I believed the situation in Munich would generally (and internationally) known. Not necessarily. For example, I casually read, on mainstream news, that Munich was going back to Windows (and amusingly I had read about Munich adopting LIMUX only from specialized sites). No further clarifications after it. So I am definitely one of the people who would benefit from a competent writeup. I could even write something about it, because to me the situation is well known. Would it be quite useful to do that? Perhaps as a blog post in https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/? Please do. If you don't have the rights to publish it, someone (including me) can surely publish it for you. public relations work for AOO is equally important as good programming? Then I agree with you. And I agree with you both too. Fact is, we do have good programmers (even more than good, for that matter), but we don't have people very active and competent in marketing. This is the marketing list and indeed the level of activity should be much higher than what I'm seeing now; but it all depends on individuals participating on this list. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: What are we doing about Munich?
On 8/24/14, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: From: acolor...@gmail.com [mailto:acolor...@gmail.com] On If you havent really read all the articles, the media is backpedalling from what it was a greatly missconstrude headline news. I have read many articles, although certainly not read all. Above all, I know the situation in Munich very well, because I worked for 4 years personally in the LIMUX-project. I know e.g. all application scenarios where Munich OpenOffice uses, so the concrete implemented macro solutions and technical applications based on Open Office. I also know the political context in Germany the background against which the development takes place in Munich. I have very good ties with the people from The Linux Action Show podcast[1], they were talking about this issue in Germany and would be interested if you could be a guest for interview about the situation and maybe help get more knowlege on what happened. If you are available maybe there could work withing your schedule for a live interview during their show. I include chris (the host of the podcast) to figure out the details. [1] http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/show/linuxactionshow/ Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: What are we doing about Munich?
From: acolor...@gmail.com [mailto:acolor...@gmail.com] On Is there any documentation, reports, or things that can serve as a research material for people outside of germany. (blog posts, articles, discussions, prefferably in english) I know on this issue unfortunately only German-language materials, for example: http://www.muenchen.de/rathaus/Stadtverwaltung/Direktorium/LiMux.html http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/2013/12/limux-project-graduation-software-evolution-has-be-bewahrt/ a lot of links on wikipedia: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux We can start working on some online campaign, raise a website, create some open discussions about what is happening in germany. I think this is not particularly effective. Important would be directly to the city of Munich, the influence this makes their decision for LibreOffice reversed. Currently, the city of Munich announced OpenOffice to replace LibreOffice, starting from September 2014th For example, see: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/LiMux-Muenchner-Stadtspitze-stellt-gesamte-IT-nebst-Linux-auf-den-Pruefstand-2301369.html ...plant, die rund 15.000 unter Linux laufenden Rechner von September an auf das LibreOffice-Paket umzustellen und so auch die Interoperabilität mit der Microsoft-Welt zu verbessern. Translation by Google: ... plans to convert the 15,000 running Linux hosts from September to the LibreOffice package and thus to improve interoperability with the Microsoft world. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: What are we doing about Munich?
On 8/23/14, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: From: acolor...@gmail.com [mailto:acolor...@gmail.com] On Is there any documentation, reports, or things that can serve as a research material for people outside of germany. (blog posts, articles, discussions, prefferably in english) I know on this issue unfortunately only German-language materials, for example: http://www.muenchen.de/rathaus/Stadtverwaltung/Direktorium/LiMux.html http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/2013/12/limux-project-graduation-software-evolution-has-be-bewahrt/ And that's part of the problem. We need AOO-german nationals to work on transfering that communication into english (not only translate but present it). Otherwise we are behind a language paywall (and yes I know Gtranslate is good for german but still is more than translation) is context. a lot of links on wikipedia: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux We can start working on some online campaign, raise a website, create some open discussions about what is happening in germany. I think this is not particularly effective. Important would be directly to the city of Munich, the influence this makes their decision for LibreOffice reversed. Currently, the city of Munich announced OpenOffice to replace LibreOffice, starting from September 2014th For example, see: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/LiMux-Muenchner-Stadtspitze-stellt-gesamte-IT-nebst-Linux-auf-den-Pruefstand-2301369.html ...plant, die rund 15.000 unter Linux laufenden Rechner von September an auf das LibreOffice-Paket umzustellen und so auch die Interoperabilität mit der Microsoft-Welt zu verbessern. Translation by Google: ... plans to convert the 15,000 running Linux hosts from September to the LibreOffice package and thus to improve interoperability with the Microsoft world. People at the TDF are very active in germany marketing team, yet in AOO camp, marketing hasn't been a priority which bring us back to questioning what's the aim of AOO for pushing it's brand value into organizations. Unfortunately Apache cares a lot about avoiding being un-represented more than the succes of the project. I think is important to evaluate the future of AOO beyond the scope of development. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org
