Re: Deployments page sends the wrong message
On Tue, February 7, 2012 3:30 pm, Christy Eller wrote: Hi- I have been gathering some more info about recent deployments. Thanks to Marina, I have added several more current deployments to our Deployments wiki page, https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/GnomeDeployments, including a one using GNOME 3.0.2. Thanks for working on this, it's great to have some current information there My suggestion is that we split off the older deployments to another page, called GNOME Deployments 2000-2008. I would prefer to have that info available, but I agree with Joanie that seeing a list of really old deployments could send a negative message. I would rename the current page to Current Gnome Deployments, and would refer to the older deployments page there. I chose those dates, because I want to make sure that the current page has enough data not to look too sparse. That sound really great to me. I agree with you and Joanie that it doesn't look good to have such old information on that main deployments page. I'm trying to track down info on another couple of deployments I know of too. karen I hope to be able to report on more, perhaps get updates on the ones that we have, and repair or retire the broken links. I also wonder if we should try to highlight this information in a more public place. If you have anything to add, it would be greatly appreciated! Christy On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:23 AM, Joanmarie Diggs jdi...@igalia.com wrote: Hey all. I just took a look at our Deployments page [1] in some detail. Here's what I found regarding the linked reports [2] of deployments: Summary: * 32 total * 12 broken (37.5%) * 18 = 5 years old (56.25%) * Of the remaining 2 (6.25%) from the past two years: * 1 uses GNOME 2.28 * 1 used GNOME 2.30 * 0% use GNOME 3.2 * 0% use GNOME 3.0 * 0% use GNOME 2.32 Details: * Austria: 2005 * Belgium: 2006, 2003, (broken) * Germany: 2005 * Ireland: (broken), 2004 * Italy: 2005 * Macedonia: 2005 * Spain: 2003, 2005, 2010 (but GNOME 2.28) * United Kingdom: (broken), (broken), (broken) * South America: 2003, (broken), 2004, 2005, (broken), (broken) * Australia: (broken; references GNOME 2.8) * China: 2005, (broken), 2003, (broken) * India: 2011 (but GNOME 2.30) * USA: 2002, (and a reference to 2005) * Canada: 2005 * Other Resources: 2004, (broken) My Opinions: * At the best, what this page communicates to the outside world (possibly including institutions considering whether or not to deploy GNOME) is that we have some serious cruft removal to do with respect to our marketing content. * At the worst, it suggests that modern/current deployments do not see GNOME 3.x as a viable option. * Are either of these messages something we wish to convey? I would argue no. * Were it me, I would investigate the present status of all of the existing deployments, remove those which are no longer valid, solicit new reports from those which are valid, investigate additional/missing deployments, and highlight those which are based on GNOME 3. And if this cannot be done, I'd remove the page entirely from our site because I do not think it helps our cause. * (It won't be me because I am busy contributing to the effort to ensure that we are accessible to users who are blind. ;) ) For what it's worth Take care. --joanie [1] https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/GnomeDeployments [2] As opposed to generic/institute sites -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Deployments page sends the wrong message
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Tue, February 7, 2012 3:30 pm, Christy Eller wrote: Hi- I have been gathering some more info about recent deployments. Thanks to Marina, I have added several more current deployments to our Deployments wiki page, https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/GnomeDeployments, including a one using GNOME 3.0.2. Thanks for working on this, it's great to have some current information there My suggestion is that we split off the older deployments to another page, called GNOME Deployments 2000-2008. I would prefer to have that info available, but I agree with Joanie that seeing a list of really old deployments could send a negative message. I would rename the current page to Current Gnome Deployments, and would refer to the older deployments page there. I chose those dates, because I want to make sure that the current page has enough data not to look too sparse. That sound really great to me. I agree with you and Joanie that it doesn't look good to have such old information on that main deployments page. I'm trying to track down info on another couple of deployments I know of too. What's this page used for? Is it worth the effort of ongoing maintenance? Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Deployments page sends the wrong message
On Thu, February 9, 2012 6:57 am, Allan Day wrote: On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Tue, February 7, 2012 3:30 pm, Christy Eller wrote: Hi- I have been gathering some more info about recent deployments. Thanks to Marina, I have added several more current deployments to our Deployments wiki page, https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/GnomeDeployments, including a one using GNOME 3.0.2. Thanks for working on this, it's great to have some current information there My suggestion is that we split off the older deployments to another page, called GNOME Deployments 2000-2008. I would prefer to have that info available, but I agree with Joanie that seeing a list of really old deployments could send a negative message. I would rename the current page to Current Gnome Deployments, and would refer to the older deployments page there. I chose those dates, because I want to make sure that the current page has enough data not to look too sparse. That sound really great to me. I agree with you and Joanie that it doesn't look good to have such old information on that main deployments page. I'm trying to track down info on another couple of deployments I know of too. What's this page used for? Is it worth the effort of ongoing maintenance? In the most general way, I think it's important to have a place where we show people where GNOME is being used. More specifically, I have wanted to point potential new partners to this page but have hesitated because it's so out of date. It's nice to be able to show folks that GNOME is used successfully in real endeavours. Were the page somewhat current, we could also use it as a reference for grant applications and the like. karen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Deployments page sends the wrong message
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Thu, February 9, 2012 6:57 am, Allan Day wrote: On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Tue, February 7, 2012 3:30 pm, Christy Eller wrote: Hi- I have been gathering some more info about recent deployments. Thanks to Marina, I have added several more current deployments to our Deployments wiki page, https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/GnomeDeployments, including a one using GNOME 3.0.2. Thanks for working on this, it's great to have some current information there My suggestion is that we split off the older deployments to another page, called GNOME Deployments 2000-2008. I would prefer to have that info available, but I agree with Joanie that seeing a list of really old deployments could send a negative message. I would rename the current page to Current Gnome Deployments, and would refer to the older deployments page there. I chose those dates, because I want to make sure that the current page has enough data not to look too sparse. That sound really great to me. I agree with you and Joanie that it doesn't look good to have such old information on that main deployments page. I'm trying to track down info on another couple of deployments I know of too. What's this page used for? Is it worth the effort of ongoing maintenance? In the most general way, I think it's important to have a place where we show people where GNOME is being used. More specifically, I have wanted to point potential new partners to this page but have hesitated because it's so out of date. It's nice to be able to show folks that GNOME is used successfully in real endeavours. Were the page somewhat current, we could also use it as a reference for grant applications and the like. OK, just checking. :) Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME FOSDEM Stand
Hi there, I helped man th booth at FOSDEM for much of the day on Saturday, and thought it went OK. The location for FOSDEM certainly left something to be desired, though that also applied for most of the others as well. I really don't think I'd have seen *any* of the booths if it weren't for wanting to find GNOME's on Saturday, though I also see why the put them out there - in the H-building it would have been *super* cramped!! As for the booth itself, a more interactive booth would be cool, though I'm not sure how to accomplish that easily and without major expenses. Another idea might be to print up 'special' GNOME people who are manning the booth or otherwise participating in the conference. That way we'd all be easily identifiable for anyone looking for info at the conference. Or do something else different/special to make ourselves easily identifiable as gnomies (I never did figure out what was up with the kilts debian, though it was entertaining and made them easy to pick out!!). The cloth GNOME 3 banner we had that was held up by tape on the window kept falling down and I've been trying to think of alternative ways to do it ever since.As I recall it had grommets so maybe we could throw a couple of suction cups w/ hooks on them in the box to stick to windows if that should occur again, or at least some stronger tape (duck/masking/etc). Different stickers with at least the word GNOME, and preferably gnome.orgor GNOME Foundation or something on them are needed. I like the foot logo, but for anyone who doesn't already know what GNOME is, its just a funny looking sticker. More 'stuff' in general - both free to sell would be good - what about different shirts, hats (winter hats with 'gnome.org' on the back and a foot logo on the front probably would have sold like mad, for example... I know *I* would have bought at least one just to wear there!!), etc. Also, even if we're not making much money off of some of these things, the cheaper we can sell them, the more we're likely *to* sell and thus get our name out there that much more, yk? As for shipping it around, all of the stuff that was there could not have possibly fit in 'the' event box as it was, and the bigger the box becomes the more unwieldly it becomes as well, so I don't think a new bigger box is the answer. How is the box currently moved around? Are we paying for shipping or are people simply checking it on their flights back and forth to different places, and then hauling it around from there? Is it too large to be checked as typical baggage? If thats the case, why not look into a large suitcase or two that could be easily checked as baggage? Emily On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 6:17 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Wed, February 8, 2012 4:52 pm, Allan Day wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Tobias Mueller mue...@cryptobitch.de wrote: Hey folks :) On 06.02.2012 16:05, Allan Day wrote: Do we know if there is room in the box for those things? We do. And it doesn't. At all. There has barely been enough space to fit the nice nametags we had. That's for the v2 box (which should be called v3 because of GNOME3 anyway ;-) ) but the v1 box didn't have significant space left as I've last seen it in May. Your suggestions are very good though. We should try to figure out how to get things like more merchandise or roll up displays around the world. Some suggestions that need evaluation: Simply have another box with the additional stuff. But we'd need to find out: How much does such a box cost? Much much does shipping cost? And well, then we need an educated guess whether these costs are worth the expected promotional effect. If we want a better stand, we need more stuff for the stand, and that means we need more transport capacity. That means either another box or a bigger box. :) Is someone able to find out how much another box would cost to buy and transport? Do we know how many times a year the events box is used? Is it practical to have two boxes per event? I thought it was already something of a pain to store and transport the one? (though I'm of course very excited by the idea of a better stand!) I guess if we were able to, we could do it as a primary and secondary box where we could use the secondary box if we had volunteers/resources to move and use two? Is that what you were thinking? karen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org
Re: GNOME FOSDEM Stand
On Thu, 2012-02-09 at 07:40 -0500, Emily Gonyer wrote: As for shipping it around, all of the stuff that was there could not have possibly fit in 'the' event box as it was, and the bigger the box becomes the more unwieldly it becomes as well, so I don't think a new bigger box is the answer. How is the box currently moved around? Are we paying for shipping or are people simply checking it on their flights back and forth to different places, and then hauling it around from there? Is it too large to be checked as typical baggage? If thats the case, why not look into a large suitcase or two that could be easily checked as baggage? They're usually shipped. And the shipping isn't cheap. I don't have an actual cost of what it cost us to ship the GNOME box here in the US, but knowing shipping costs, it wasn't a few bucks. :-) As for taking it on a plane with you, it wouldn't resolve the cost of getting the box back to its destination storage location. You'd still have to ship it once you got back home. But even if this were an option, second-bag charges on airlines also negate this. As expensive as it is in many US airlines to add a second bag, its even more expensive in EU. I was once charged 100 Euros for a second bag in EU. (Yikes!) Overall, I simply don't find the box useful, as I mentioned in another post on this thread. There are better things to ship than what currently exists if we're going to spend all that money on shipping stuff. I'm in favor of more awesome booths because the GNOME booths I've seen thus far in the US have been quite dismal, but the box itself isn't going to solve that problem. Bryen M Yunashko -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME FOSDEM Stand
Hi, On 02/09/2012 01:40 PM, Emily Gonyer wrote: The cloth GNOME 3 banner we had that was held up by tape on the window kept falling down and I've been trying to think of alternative ways to do it ever since. Yes - we should definitely put things like a ball of string, blu-tack and strong sellotape into the box. As I recall it had grommets so maybe we could throw a couple of suction cups w/ hooks on them in the box to stick to windows if that should occur again, or at least some stronger tape (duck/masking/etc). What's a grommet? More 'stuff' in general - both free to sell would be good - what about different shirts, hats (winter hats with 'gnome.org http://gnome.org' on the back and a foot logo on the front probably would have sold like mad, for example... I had hoped that the posters I brought would have a bigger impact - I think they are gorgeous and thought we might be able to have a give-away with them - especially since they were quite expensive to print! What did people think of them? Is printing posters something we should look into for future conferences? If we do, we definitely will need to take better care of them! Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME FOSDEM Stand
On Thu, 2012-02-09 at 15:53 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: I had hoped that the posters I brought would have a bigger impact - I think they are gorgeous and thought we might be able to have a give-away with them - especially since they were quite expensive to print! What did people think of them? Is printing posters something we should look into for future conferences? If we do, we definitely will need to take better care of them! Cheers, Dave. Posters are definitely beaucoup bucks to print. I have yet to find a cheap way to print them and standard movie-size posters are 24x36 Inch. (Forgive me to those of you, for my being metric-challenged.) My alternative was to use 11x17 inch prints. Not as awesome, for sure, but definitely economical by comparison. Overnightprints.com, for example, will do 50 for about $91. And cheaper with a higher print order. And if you use them regularly, you'll quickly move into VIP pricing which can be up to 50% even more savings on printing. We could have multiple images printed up (say 5?) and plaster them all over the booth (and venue) and not even worry about getting them back (because in all likelyhood any paper-based printing will get mangled quickly.) Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
