Re: User oriented release notes
Note that we can't possibly make something as attracting like that, and the reasons have nothing to do with the marketing team. Those notes focus on what the user can do. Gnome as it is with only gnome can do all the standard stuff, and that isn't impressive. We can't put gimp, nor abiword, nor gnumeric, nor jekoshier (or however it shoould be written), nor Transmission, nor Inkscape, nor dvdstyler, nor devede, nor gnome baker. Everything we can do is to showcase a basic desktop system, whose more exiting features for newcomers would be... hhmm.. clean, nice and I-do-not-get-in-your-way interface, the deskbar, tomboy, the posibility of changing the gtk style, icons, fonts, window border or whatever, straightforward preferences and ekiga... and that would be all, anything else is what the user espects of any system. It is attracting, but definetely not as much as saying Make high-quality websites, photo books, DVDs, songs, slideshows, music CDs, calendars, cards, prints, podcasts, music videos, documentaries, and more. when gnome doesn't ship with the tools needed to do it, even when they're available (and not, I'm not saying gnome should mantain all that software and release it under the same release cycle as gnome, nobody would be happy about that). One thing we could do is to create some new brand, a bundle, collection or something like that, so we can say something along the lines of With ASDF, built on the shoulders of the gnome desktop you can do pretty much whatever you want, from editing the video of your vacation, to make the homework in a cooperative way with your co-workers in the same document, or keep the accounting of your home!... with ASDF there's nothing you can't do On 9/8/06, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Compare and contrast our notes with:http://www.apple.com/getamac/(ignore the videos, look at the text, what they are bragging about, etc.)LuisOn 9/8/06, karderio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi :o) I just took a second look at the 2.16 release notes[1]. Although they were a very interesting read, on occasion they came over as perhaps a little too technical, leaving maybe the ghost of the impression that GNOME could be a desktop by devs for devs. Please don't get me wrong, the notes are a fine job, but somehow the buzz the end user should be feeling is missing. What could take the edge off the buzz a user should be feeling when reading about GNOME ? Compilation options is one, links to technical fd.o standards another, there's the code cleanups section... Not to say these are bad, I don't mind them one bit - but telling a potential user about compiling even before he has seen the contraption can hardly promote it... The other criticism I could raise is a lack of at least one screenshot of the entire GNOME desktop. A couple of suggestions I would advance this perceived problem of mine would either be to relegate anything un-soft-and-fluffy to a developers section, or create a completely Presenting GNOME section elsewhere, full of much appreciated, soft fluffy topics for users. Perhaps the criticisms I have directed at the release notes are not meant for them at all. The notes in fact being an excellent interim, bolstering the About GNOME section, which manages to say piles about GNOME's goals without ever saying what it does or what it looks like. Love, Karderio. [1] http://www.gnome.org/start/2.16/notes/C/index.html -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list --marketing-list mailing listmarketing-list@gnome.orghttp://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- //Phrodo_00//Javier Aravena ClaramuntEstudiante ingenirería civil en informáticaSantiago de Chile.Blog: phrodo00.openfrogs.comMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Writing the 2.16 release notes (and press release)
I'l like On 7/22/06, Guilherme de S. Pastore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Em Sáb, 2006-07-22 às 21:52 +0200, Vincent Untz escreveu: Hi there,Hey! =) We're looking for a small group of volunteers to handle the writing of the release notes for GNOME 2.16. There's no need to be a technical person for this. Really.I tried to help Davyd with the last one, and would be happy to lead itthis time, perhaps also in order to compensate for the minimal amount oftime I managed to dedicate to my modules along the past few months. ;) We'll have some more work than for the last release due to nobody havingcared to keep http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointFifteen/ReleaseNotesupdated, but nothing that a little work with the eventual help of a couple of announcements won't do. Oh, I nearly forgot about it: there's also the press release. Claus and Corey have been heroes there, but I don't know if they have time to continue... I'd love to help here too, but don't think I'd have time for both. I'lltry to help here as much as possible, but would rather not promiseanything, at least for now.Cheers,-- [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Guilherme de S. Pastorehttp://www.gnome.org/ * http://br.gnome.org/--marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.orghttp://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list-- //Phrodo_00// Blog:phrodo00.openfrogs.comMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Writing the 2.16 release notes (and press release)
I'd love to help either with the actual writing of it or with a translation to spanish, however I cannot find any info on what the next version is likely to have in the wikiRegards. On 7/22/06, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there,We're looking for a small group of volunteers to handle the writing ofthe release notes for GNOME 2.16. There's no need to be a technicalperson for this. Really.Murray, and then Davyd have been leading this effort for past releases and might have some very wise advises to share (and maybe they'll wantto lead again?).So, I guess that's it. Ideally, we'd find one volunteer soon and she/hewill be able to find other people to help :-) Oh, I nearly forgot about it: there's also the press release. Claus andCorey have been heroes there, but I don't know if they have time tocontinue...Vincent--Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. --marketing-list mailing listmarketing-list@gnome.orghttp://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- //Phrodo_00//Blog:phrodo00.openfrogs.comMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Gnome Idea Pool maybe??
There's been a lot of talk about what a marketing team should be like but we really haven't done a lot. The list have done some stuff, but that clearly doesn't clarify as a lot. there was people saying that marketing was about knowing what the people wants, so I was thinking we could have a wiki or something like that for ideas the people has for gnome. Anything, from ideas for topaz to feature requests for the next releases. No bugs, there's already bugzilla. Look for instance at http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1id=31128file1=31128-1.jpgfile2=31128-2.jpgfile3=31128-3.jpgname=Gentle+Gnome+mockup , this guy has a pretty good sense of aesthetics, take that and combine it with all the little ideas of features and you get a picture of what the developers should head to when writing GNOME3. we don't even need a special place to do it (although that would be great), we could just have a page in live.gnome.org linking to others pages in the wiki with such ideas and encouraging (and giving instructions) to give your ideas to improve gnome. -- Javier Aravena C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: real marketing or just catchy slogans?
El sáb, 17-12-2005 a las 13:14 +0100, Thilo Pfennig escribió: GNOME inside? :-) hell yeah!... maybe with other words but we could ask distros that use gnome as their main de (ubuntu, fedora, novell enterprise desktop) to put a powered by gnome-or-something-like-that label on their websites and cd cases. and linked to an url (in a cd case the url would be printed vertically on the side of the badge, in a website it would be a link) that was all like when you click on the aplications menu you're using GNOME, when you take a look at what time it is it's GNOME the one that's telling to you. we are proud to welcome you to the GNOME desktop. my two cents. Phrodo_00 phrodo00.byethost11.com/blog -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: collecting negative reviews
what I've been reading a lot (I don't have any links though) is that the following things have to be improved: -footprint -gnomevfs to be adopted by all apps or die, I mean or link vfs's to the real filesystem somehow and the biggest issue for me, I dunno if it was fixed in 2.12, but I have always hated that the trash can cannot remember where the files had come from (nautilus should store that info in a xml file somewhere)2005/9/10, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 9/10/05, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been doing any filtering. I think we can probably rely on tuxmag to come through for us in a few weeks :) Someone could filter them then :) And I'm sure we have others besidestuxmag- meaty slashdot comments etc., etc. This is the chance forlurkers to jump in and get involved :)Luis Luis Villa wrote: It would be a good idea for someone to find and categorize all the negative reviews too, so that we can address those issues (either by fixing problems or educating reviewers) during the next release cycle. Any volunteers? :) Luis -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lyon, France--marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.orghttp://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Phrodo_00--http://ideasenteclado.blogspot.comhttp://frodo-00.deviantart.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: collecting negative reviews
btw, with footprint I mean memory footprint2005/9/10, Javier Aravena [EMAIL PROTECTED]: what I've been reading a lot (I don't have any links though) is that the following things have to be improved: -footprint -gnomevfs to be adopted by all apps or die, I mean or link vfs's to the real filesystem somehow and the biggest issue for me, I dunno if it was fixed in 2.12, but I have always hated that the trash can cannot remember where the files had come from (nautilus should store that info in a xml file somewhere)2005/9/10, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 9/10/05, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been doing any filtering. I think we can probably rely on tuxmag to come through for us in a few weeks :) Someone could filter them then :) And I'm sure we have others besidestuxmag- meaty slashdot comments etc., etc. This is the chance forlurkers to jump in and get involved :)Luis Luis Villa wrote: It would be a good idea for someone to find and categorize all the negative reviews too, so that we can address those issues (either by fixing problems or educating reviewers) during the next release cycle. Any volunteers? :) Luis -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lyon, France--marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Phrodo_00--http://ideasenteclado.blogspot.com http://frodo-00.deviantart.com -- Phrodo_00--http://ideasenteclado.blogspot.comhttp://frodo-00.deviantart.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: I need for some copywriting for gnome.org
about the trademarks issue, I guess we could put something like if you or the company you work for provide any way to get the gnome desktop, a href="" link with someone dedicated to this pageplease let us know!/a, that way they cannot say that we didn't gave them a way to appear on the linux distributors page. The same for the proyect page, only that proyects needs to be selected 'cause we only have to showcase the highlights, the best gnome software only, I guess the most used (gimp, rhythmbox, bmp, firefox, dia, epyphany, gaim, etc) and exiting some new proyects (dashboard, beagle, etc)2005/8/16, Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I like it. A couple of thoughts.Mmmm GNOME itself is not defined. It shouldn't be assumed that peoplelanding in this page already knows that is a Linux desktop.A Free and Universal DesktopWith a simple, straightforward interface that everyone can use, GNOME is a free desktop that removes distractions and makes computing fun. Noneed to worry about viruses, complexity, or incompatibilities- GNOMEJust Works.I would remove again. It adds a nostalgia feeling that is unknown by most of everyone that a) don't know that computers were fun anytime orb) don't think that computers aren't fun nowadays (even if they only useproprietary software). Easy to get With support from Novell, Red Hat, Sun and many others, getting GNOME on your Linux or Solaris desktop has never been easier- just [link to ~davyd/footware/]click here[/] to find out how to become a GNOME user today.Do we need to put trademarks/companies here? I know GNOME owes them alot, but the risk of making others feel excluded are high. For instance,what about Canonical/Ubuntu who is being a very popular GNOME showcase for many new Linux users? I'm sure others may find other examples.How about:Easy to getBecoming a GNOME user has never been easier. GNOME is the defaultdesktop [supported by many Linux distributions] and [Solaris]. distributions. Through its programming language GTK, GNOME is alsoinside of [software used by millions] of users, also in other desktops.Quim--marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.orghttp://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list-- Phrodo_00-- http://ideasenteclado.blogspot.comhttp://frodo-00.deviantart.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Some criticisms of GNOME
yes, I know it and I'm sorry, I had to say it, I couldn't help myself.2005/8/16, Javier Aravena [EMAIL PROTECTED]: yes, I know it and I'm sorry, I had to say it, I couldn't help myself. vo cachai... (no había leído que erai jci)2005/8/16, Juan Carlos Inostroza [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 15:47 -0400, Javier Aravena wrote: in a little thing: tell gtk developers to make couloring windows easier!!...You said it : this is a marketing list. Try gtk-list@gnome.org ;)--Juan Carlos Inostroza[EMAIL PROTECTED]The world will end in 5 minutes. Please logoff now -- Phrodo_00--http://ideasenteclado.blogspot.com http://frodo-00.deviantart.com -- Phrodo_00--http://ideasenteclado.blogspot.comhttp://frodo-00.deviantart.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: I need for some copywriting for gnome.org
I cannot write either, I'm not even totally flurnt in english, however this mail isn't about the text, it's for congrarulate anybody who designed that... IT KICKS ASSES!2005/8/14, Andreas Nilsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am once again in need of people who can actually write. This time it'sfor the gnome.org frontpage. Currently the front of gnome.org is filledwith lots of text that few will read. So, I cooked up a mockup with some text and pretty pictures. As you allknow, I can't write, so I just threw something together. As always youcan expect a huge amount of spelling errors and wierd sentences. --Simple, yet powerfulWith combination of a stable ground and a simple,straightforward interface, the GNOME Desktopmakes computing fun again.The GNOME runs ontop of Linux, Solarisand every other flavor of UNIX out. And it doesn't stop thereGNOME is also a powerful development platform withtechnologies as GTK and gstreamer among others.What suit fits you the best?You can choose from a wide variety of GNOME software vendors to get the support and features that suit your needs.And here is the mockup at it's current state:http://ramnet.se/~nisse/diverse/temp/gnomeorgfront-prop3.png - Andreas--marketing-list mailing listmarketing-list@gnome.orghttp://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Phrodo_00--http://ideasenteclado.blogspot.comhttp://frodo-00.deviantart.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: In need for some text for a poster
I had nothing useful to do so I made a drafty translation of a draft... so here it is: the text above in spanish!! ¿Sostienes, como muchos otros, una batalla sin fin en contra del spyware, troyanos y virus? ¿Te preocupa hasta cuando aguantará tú bolsillo el precio del software que utilizas? ¿Sientes que tu vendedor de software te está estafando? ¿Sabes? esas son cosas que no hacen de tu vida algo mejor Bueno, con el Entorno de Escritorio Gnome no tienes que preocuparte por cosas como esa, es verdaderamente seguro y no te costará un veinte. Tienes una infinidad de proveedores de entre los cuales puedes elegir para asegurarte que el trato que estás recibiendo es el mejor Nos gustaría darte la bienvenida al Escritorio de Gnome. ¡Bienvenido al escritorio oficial para gente feliz!2005/8/10, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi,I added the first draft to the wiki in the page MarketingTeam/PosterText- I figured that the kind of iterative polishing for something like thiswould be good wiki material.I would reccommend that we only modify speeling misteaks and grammar error's in the wiki, and suggestions on the style tone of the text gothrough the list.Cheers,Dave.Andreas Nilsson a écrit : Do you, like many others fight an endless battle against spyware, worms and viruses? Are you worried whenever your budget can stand the cost of the next software upgrade? Do you have a creeping feeling that your software vendor actually screws you? You know, things like that don't really make your everyday life any better. Well, with the GNOME Desktop Enviorment you don't have to bother about things like that. It's really secure and won't cost you a single buck. You have a whole bunch of vendors to choose from and can make sure that you get a deal that fits you the best. We would like to welcome you to Linux and the GNOME dekstop. Welcome to the Official Desktop of Happy People! - Andreas--David Neary[EMAIL PROTECTED]--marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.orghttp://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list-- Phrodo_00-- http://ideasenteclado.blogspot.comhttp://frodo-00.deviantart.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: In need for some text for a poster
I mistook the address (because I'm in windows using webmail), now I'm sending it to the list (I Hope)Andreas, here it is the whole thing. I'll be translating the language one soon El Escritorio Oficial de la gente feliz ¿Sostienes, como muchos otros, una batalla sin fin en contra del spyware, troyanos y virus? ¿Te preocupa hasta cuando aguantará tú bolsillo pagar las actualizaciones del software que utilizas? ¿Sientes que tu vendedor de software te está estafando? ¿Sabes? esas son cosas que no hacen de tu vida algo mejor Bueno, con el Entorno de Escritorio Gnome no tienes que preocuparte por cosas como esa, es verdaderamente seguro y no te costará un veinte. Tienes una infinidad de proveedores de entre los cuales puedes elegir para asegurarte que el trato que estás recibiendo es el mejor Nos gustaría darte la bienvenida al Escritorio de Gnome. ¡Bienvenido al escritorio oficial para gente feliz! Enterate de como puedes hacer más feliz tu vida en www.gnome.org2005/8/10, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi,So, following my own advice: Andreas Nilsson wrote: Do you, like many others fight an endless battle against spyware, worms and viruses? Are you worried whenever your budget can stand the cost of the next software upgrade? Do you have a creeping feeling that your software vendor actually screws you? In the wiki I removed the superfluous creeping and actually, but Idon't like the phrase in general. I prefer something likeDo you have the feeling that your software vendor doesn't care about you? We care :) You know, things like that don't really make your everyday life any better. Well, with the GNOME Desktop Enviorment you don't have to bother about things like that. It's really secure and won't cost you a single buck. You have a whole bunch of vendors to choose from and can make sure that you get a deal that fits you the best.I'd prefer not to insist on the not a single buck thing. It's secure, safe from virus infection, and its developers don't wantanything back. You get to choose who you buy from, to get the supportand features that suit your needs. We would like to welcome you to Linux and the GNOME dekstop. Welcome to the Official Desktop of Happy People!Can we take out Linux and? GNOME isn't just for Linux, and I'd like tosee us establish our own brand presence (which might include GNOME applications on Windows soon) Also, we talk about the GNOME DesktopEnvironment higher up, here it's the GNOME desktop. I've changed both tothe GNOME Desktop.So, finally:Do you, like many others, fight an endless battle against spyware, worms and viruses?Are you worried about whether your budget can stand the cost of the nextsoftware upgrade?Do you have the feeling that your software vendor doesn't care about you?You know, things like that don't make your everyday life better. With the GNOME Desktop you don't have to worry about things like that.It's secure, safe from virus infection, and its developers don't wantanything back. You get to choose who you buy from, to get the support and features that suit your needs.We would like to welcome you to the GNOME Desktop.Welcome to the Official Desktop of Happy People!What do ye think? The rhythm from Andreas's text is good, I think. Cheers,Dave.--Dave Neary[EMAIL PROTECTED]Lyon, France--marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Phrodo_00-- http://ideasenteclado.blogspot.comhttp://frodo-00.deviantart.com -- Phrodo_00--http://ideasenteclado.blogspot.comhttp://frodo-00.deviantart.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
hi
hi, I'll first introduce myself quickly: I'm a chilean guy (Chile is in southamerica, in the suthern part of it, check it out at wikipedia) and a crappy designer with some sort of schizophrenia complex (I don't like what I do once it's finnished), although it's highly outdated my portfolio can be found at frodo-00.deviantart.com. I use inkscape, Photoshop, gimp, dreamweaver, Ilustrator, bluefish, leafpad, vim and some other minor tools, I'm actually learning to design webpages using only css (my blog is my design experiment, don't look at it, I haven't uploaded any design). so, that's it, I'll be in contact, I hope I could be useful (btw, I don't draw, the drawings in my gallery aren't made by me, I just CGed them)sorry about my english, I know it's crap. regards -- Phrodo_00http://ideasenteclado.blogspot.comhttp://frodo-00.deviantart.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
