Re: [Marxism] The Young Karl Marx

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On 14/02/2018 19:41, David McDonald via Marxism wrote:


Well, you're the archive guy, David. But my volume 2 of Capital, which I am
looking at right now, says nothing about Engels translating Vol 2 of
Capital. It says "Extensive use has been made of the English translation of
the second volume of Capital, published by Charles H. Kerr & Co., Chicago,
1909." Mine is the standard 3-volume paperback boxed set that many of us
got back in the 70's. It's a reproduction of the Progress Publishers
edition.

I rewgret to say that I think my colleague and comrade David W is wrong 
here. The Kerr edition wasn't published until 13 years after Engels' 
death. My Moscow edition of Capital III just says "Edited by Friedrich 
Engels". Looking briefly at the introduction to the Penguin 
(retranslation) edition of Capital II I can find no reference to the 
translator of the original English version - although a closer 
examination might reveal some information.



Next I am looking at the Charles H Kerr blurb for the above-referenced
complete three-volume first English edition of Capital, and it also says
nothing about volumes 2 & 3 being translated by Engels. It does NOT
indicate who translated from the German. My thinking is that translation by
Engels would be a serious selling point, so I wonder why it is not
mentioned either by Charles H Kerr or by International Publishers.

I'm pretty sure I remember the name Wilhelm Wolff being associated with the
translation of Capital but I lack the energy to track it down. Now I am
going to message Lucia Pradella to see what she knows, she's been heavy
into the newly opened up original Marx writings for volumes 2 & 3.


The first volume of capital is dedicated to Wilhelm Wolff, who was a 
close friend and comrade of Marx, but he died before the completion of 
Capital Vol 1 and left Marx a small legacy. He had nothing to do with 
translating it.


Einde O'Callaghan (also MIA)

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Re: [Marxism] Khiyana and the betrayal by much of the left of the Syrian uprising

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 Thomas via Marxism wrote 
> 
> 
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hic_Rhodus,_hic_salta
> 
> The phrase arises from the Latin form of Aesop's Fables (Gibbs 209; Perry 33: 
> Chambry 51), as translated from Ancient Greek "Αὐτοῦ γὰρ καὶ Ῥόδος καὶ 
> πήδημα" (literally) "Here is Rhodes, jump here!". In the fable, a boastful 
> athlete brags that he once achieved a stupendous long jump in competition on 
> the island of Rhodes. A bystander challenges him to dispense with the reports 
> of the witnesses and simply repeat his accomplishment on the spot: "Here is 
> Rhodes, jump here!"
>  
> Proverb[edit]
>  
> hic Rhodus, hic salta
>  1.(politics) Prove what you can do, here and now.
> 
You're quite correct. This is, of course, the origin of the phrase. But what 
Andrew is quoting below is a famous passage from "The 18th Brumaire of Louis 
Bonaparte" and the not quite accurate translation is the English translation of 
the version given by Marx himself in his original text! 
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: Andrew Pollack via Marxism 
> >
> >"Bourgeois revolutions, like those of the eighteenth century, storm more
> >swiftly from success to success, their dramatic effects outdo each other,
> >men and things seem set in sparkling diamonds, ecstasy is the order of the
> >day – but they are short-lived, soon they have reached their zenith, and a
> >long Katzenjammer [cat’s winge] takes hold of society before it learns to
> >assimilate the results of its storm-and-stress period soberly. On the other
> >hand, proletarian revolutions, like those of the nineteenth century,
> >constantly criticize themselves, constantly interrupt themselves in their
> >own course, return to the apparently accomplished, in order to begin anew;
> >they deride with cruel thoroughness the half-measures, weaknesses, and
> >paltriness of their first attempts, seem to throw down their opponents only
> >so the latter may draw new strength from the earth and rise before them
> >again more gigantic than ever, recoil constantly from the indefinite
> >colossalness of their own goals – until a situation is created which makes
> >all turning back impossible, and the conditions themselves call out:
> >*Hic Rhodus, hic salta!"*
> >[Here is the rose, here dance!]

Here is the German original of the passage quoted by Andrew:

Bürgerliche Revolutionen, wie die des achtzehnten Jahrhunderts, stürmen rascher 
von Erfolg zu Erfolg, ihre dramatischen Effekte überbieten sich, Menschen und 
Dinge scheinen in Feuerbrillanten gefaßt, die Ekstase ist der Geist jedes 
Tages; aber sie sind kurzlebig, bald haben sie ihren Höhepunkt erreicht, und 
ein langer Katzenjammer erfaßt die Gesellschaft, ehe sie die Resultate ihrer 
Drang- und Sturmperiode nüchtern sich aneignen lernt. Proletarische 
Revolutionen dagegen, wie die des neunzehnten Jahrhunderts, kritisieren 
beständig sich selbst, unterbrechen sich fortwährend in ihrem eignen Lauf, 
kommen auf das scheinbar Vollbrachte zurück, um es wieder von neuem anzufangen, 
verhöhnen grausam-gründlich die Halbheiten, Schwächen und Erbärmlichkeiten 
ihrer ersten Versuche, scheinen ihren Gegner nur niederzuwerfen, damit er neue 
Kräfte aus der Erde sauge und sich riesenhafter ihnen gegenüber wieder 
aufrichte, schrecken stets von neuem zurück vor der unbestimmten 
Ungeheuerlichkeit ihrer eigenen Zwecke, bis die Situation geschaffen ist, die 
jede Umkehr unmöglich macht, und die Verhältnisse selbst rufen

Hic Rhodus, hic salta!
Hier ist die Rose, hier tanze!

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Brexit demonstrates the Left’s failure on Race issues

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 Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote 

> 
> 
> 
> https://sajjeling.com/2016/07/01/brexit-demonstrates-the-lefts-failure-on-race-issues/
> 
This is a rather cheap and ahistorical polemic. 

Starting off by referring to the shortcomings of two leading figures of the 
academic Old New Left, EP Thompson and Raymond Williams on race and racism, 
without referring to the numerous valuable studies on these topics produced by 
British historians inspired by them, it then makes a Hügel leap of almost half 
a century to the recently referendum, which was indeed marked vile racism on 
both sides, but particularly on the victorious Brexit side. It then concludes 
that the British left has failed to take racism seriously.

This approach neglects the massive and successful struggles against racism and 
fascist organisations that have been fought in Britain since the 1960s. Among 
these was the way the Anti-Nazi League and Rock Against Racism combined 
cultural struggles (particularly within the nascent British punk movement) with 
mass demonstrations (including mass confrontations with both police and 
fascists) to destroy the National Front.

Of course, this didn't destroy racism - fighting racism and fascism will be a 
labour of Sisyphus as long as capitalism continues to exist. As Brecht said of 
fascism: "The womb from which it crawled is still fertile!"

In each decade since then it has been possible to mobilise large numbers of 
people to beat back organised racism and fascism and to make public expression 
of racism totally unacceptable. This task faces the left once more. Using the 
experience of the past and the anti-racist sentiments exiating in society at 
large as a result of past struggles I'm sure they will be able to do this again.

However, ahistorical contributions from afar by people who appear to have no 
understanding of the struggles of the past are of no use whatsoever to those 
involved in today's struggles!

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: A Note from Mike Davis about the Second Amendment - Los Angeles Review of Books

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On 14.06.2016 20:24, DW via Marxism wrote:

he had me until the last sentence...as if Jefferson's 'dream' was really a
serious proposal for his slave holding America. What nonsense. And what is
this shit about "Natural Law" WTF is that supposed to mean?

David Walters

I felt that the reference to natural law was related to the alternative 
tradition that saw the Declaration of Independence as "the nation's ... 
natural law" and not the affirmation that something like Natural Law 
exists.

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: New International

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These magazines have been online for years in the Marxists Internet 
Archive. Also there are The Militant, Socialist Appeal, Northwest 
Organizer, Labor Action, Fourth International and International 
Socialist Review (down to 1969) and lots lots more in PDF format. The 
complete content of New International (down to 1944 so far), Fourth 
International and International Socialist Review (down to 1969) - plus 
selections from The Militant, Socialist Appeal and Labor Action - are 
also available in HTML format.


Check things out at: 
https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/index.htm


We also have the Internal Bulletins of the CLA, WPUSA, SWP and WP. Check 
under SWP and WP in our documents archive: 
https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/index.htm


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The first useful thing to come out of the SWP in a dog's age. Online 
copies of the magazine going back to July 1934.


http://www.themilitant.com/NI/web/NI.html
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Isaac Newton and “junk science” | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

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On 09.04.2016 16:20, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:


Today’s Washington Post has an article with the rather lurid title 
“Isaac Newton spent a lot of time on junk ‘science,’ and this 
manuscript proves it”. It turns out that he was “super into alchemy” 
as reporter Elahe Izadi puts it.


full: https://louisproyect.org/2016/04/09/isaac-newton-and-junk-science/


This is ancient history. I remember reading about it 40 years ago when I 
did a course on history of natural science while studying sociology. 
IIRC he was also into astrology and even made up horoscopes.


His interest in esoterica was a theme in an alternative history book I 
read a long time ago - but the name of the book escapes me at the moment.


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Re: [Marxism] victims of Trumpette violence?

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On 14.03.2016 17:13, Manuel Barrera via Marxism wrote:

In reply to Clayborne and others who seem to think they "know" what and how Black and 
Brown youth "should" be doing about this racist Trump campaign (from my reply to Partido 
on Facebook):

The Marxmail discussion is an exercise in theoretical posturing: essentially, old people 
telling young people that they should've had more "leadership" and, then from 
there, nothing. The implication is that somehow the young black and brown activists along 
with the well-established coalition-building left in Chicago should have not fallen into 
a trap
The debates here are nothing new. I remember hearing arguments like this 
before from "older" or "more experienced" "activists" when we were 
campaigning against the National Front in Britain in the mid-1970s. Both 
before and after we - then young activists (brought together to a 
certain extent by the British SWP) - confronted and stopped the NF in 
Lewisham, we were denounced for being "red fascists" and "thoughtless 
street fighters" by many (not all) left Labourists and the Communist 
Party. We should have shown our disgust by meeting 5 miles away and 
marching in the otehr direction. Instead we confronted them and stopped 
them. After that, partly through the Anti-Nazi League we built on a 
combination of mass mobilisations (and sometimes militant 
confrontations) and mass agitation and education. And we eventually 
killed the NF stone dead.


If we'd listened to the "experienced old hands", we wouldn't have done 
it and the far right would have established much deeper roots in British 
society than they've been able to do since.


What I hear are tired old men preaching what is essentially pacifist 
reformism from the sidelines. I can only say that I was thrilled to see 
what the young (and not so young) comrades pulled off in Chicago.


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Re: [Marxism] Irish General Election Results 2016

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On 29.02.2016 17:17, Paddy Hackett via Marxism wrote:

Hi

The Irish General Election results are showing that there has been no radical 
change in Irish politics. The general election results are evidence  of the 
political and ideological stagnation within the working class. The evidence 
produced by the elections shows that the Irish working class is politically and 
ideologically stagnant.
Despite its disastrous record leading up to and including the world 2008 
financial crisis Fianna Fáil has electorally won back  much of the working 
class and lower middle class.  The increase in support for Sinn Fein is merely 
support for another bourgeois party by the working class and other social 
strata. It is ironical that the Socialist Party has been describing the Sinn 
Fein party as an “anti-establishment” party. There is nothing 
“anti-establishment” about Sinn Fein. Indeed it has been going out of its way 
to demonstrate how pro-establishment it is. Increased support for the mix bag 
of Independents is largely support for other bourgeois political elements.

The modest support for the Left is of no real significance. Indeed much of this 
Left has been becoming increasingly more moderate. Much of their political 
interventions are little or no different from that of much of the Labour Party 
of  yore. As it sniffs the power it will move further to the right. This Left 
is largely opportunist and will cut its cloth to increase its popularity.

Given this, overall, there has been no significant shift to the Left. The 
politics and ideology of the Irish working class is as it was in the days 
before the 2008 financial crisis. Essentially taking place is a reconfiguration 
or recalibration  of bourgeois politics in Ireland to meet the present class 
needs of the bourgeoisie. The effect of this  is to block off the working class 
from becoming more politicised thereby posing an increasing challenge to the 
existing system.


 What a sad sectarian tract. I suspect I have been watching a 
completely different Irish election. The two traditional bourgeois 
parties now have the support of under 50% of the electorate for the 
first time in the history of the state. There is no stable coalition 
unless the two traditional right-wing parties overcome their historic 
enmity and form a coalition, which would probably be very unstable.


There is a mass movement that took to the streets as recently as the 
weekend before the election and the radical left which is involved in 
organising this mass movement took 10 seats (11 if you include the 
maverick TD Mick Wallace) , the highest number of radical left has ever had.


And the so-called bounce-back of Fianna Fail that this correspondent 
makes so much of - as does the bourgeois press - is a simply joke, and a 
very bad one at that. This is the traditional party of the Irish 
bourgeoisie, which managed to establish a base in the working class on a 
populist basis between the 1930s and the 1970s. For three generations it 
dominated Irish politics, often forming a majority government without 
needing to go into coalition with any other party. But in 2011 it lost 
half half its support, so the extra 5% or so it got this time is a spit 
in a pan and it didn't even succeed in regaining it's position as the 
largest party.


There will probably be another election within the next 12 months - and 
the mass movement against the water charges isn't going to go away 
unless the whole Irish Water operation is closed down - but to do that 
the government would have to defy the EU diktat. So the crisis of 
bourgeois politics is set to continue and I expect the influence of the 
radical left, which is now larger than the Labour Party, will continue 
to grow.


Of course, for some radical ultra-leftists the radical left  may not be 
r-r-r-r-r-revolutionary enough and may not use the traditional 
catchphrases of the sectarian left, preferring to speak in language that 
the workers understand and respond to. But then the demands "Land, bread 
and peace" don't exactly sound remarkably r-r-r-r-revolutionary if they 
are divorced from the context in which they were raised.


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Re: [Marxism] On the southern Irish election results, especially the drubbing of Labour

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I broadly agree with Phil's assessment with some reservations and 
recommend people to read it.


Einde O'Callaghan

On 01.03.2016 04:36, Philip Ferguson via Marxism wrote:

https://rdln.wordpress.com/2016/03/01/labour-receives-massive-drubbing-in-southern-irish-general-election/



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Re: [Marxism] mass German protest of Obama’s TPP

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In Europe the treaty isn't the TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership), it's a 
similar one called TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership).


Incidentally, today the professional organisation representing German 
judges has declared that the proposed arbitration procedures are 
incompatible with German law.


Einde O'Callaghan

On 04.02.2016 06:21, Dennis Brasky via Marxism wrote:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-10/biggest-protest-country-has-seen-years-quarter-million-germans-protest-obama-free-tr
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Re: [Marxism] new Trotsky on Ukraine article

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On 22.01.2016 17:09, Andrew Pollack via Marxism wrote:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1939/04/ukraine2.htm
it's new to MIA, so I'm pretty sure it wasn't cited when we last discussed
this question

Just to clarify, there is already another version of this article, which 
appeared in /Fourth International/ in November 1949. This can be found at:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1939/04/ukraine.html

The version given by Andrew above is the original version published 
in/Socialist Appeal/ in May 1939. I haven't checked to see if there are 
any significant differences between them.


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Re: [Marxism] Sabotaging the water tax in Ireland

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On 31.12.2015 03:04, DW via Marxism wrote:


Wait...what? Water is FREE in Ireland? Seriously? Out of curiosity...are
there any other countries where water is not metered?

It's not quite that simple. Water is already being paid for through 
various other taxes and surcharges. What people are objecting to is an 
attempt to make them pay for water yet again using a vehicle (Irish 
Water) destined to be privatised in the not too distant future as part 
of the neoliberal economic policies imposed by the EU after the 
politicians bankrupted the country by bailing out private banks.


In one attack a right-wing politician argued against the protestors. 
"You'd almost think that water falls from the sky ..." He missed the 
fact that in Ireland that's exactly where the water comes from.


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Re: [Marxism] Europe after Paris attacks: Elites seek to exploit terror

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On 19.11.2015 03:04, Stuart Munckton via Marxism wrote:

As the initial horror and outrage of the attacks in Paris on November 13
subside, the impacts they are already having on French and European society
are becoming clearer.

A state of emergency has been declared by the French government and will
persist for up to three months.

French officials announced on November 17 that France would see an extra
115,000 police officers, gendarmes and soldiers deployed across the country.

In this context, rational debate is being restricted and progressive
movements are on the defensive.
https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/60699

It has been announced that the international demonstrations during the 
Climate Summit have been banned - but the organisers hope to continue 
with the counter summit:


https://alternatiba.eu/appel-pour-le-maintien-des-mobilisations-citoyennes-pour-le-climat/

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Re: [Marxism] Capital vol 3

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Phillip Ferguson:


According to the MIA, for instance, vol 3 consists of material written by Marx 
from 1863-1883.

MIA does a valuable service by providing free digital access to public domain 
texts, but it is not an authority on anything as far as Marx philology.  The 
claim is absolutely wrong.  The manuscript that Engels edited to create a third 
volume of Capital is from 1864/65, and as I said, was discovered by Helena 
Demuth among Marx's papers after his death.

On behalf of MIA I'd like to thank you for the backhanded "compliment" - 
we at MIA do not claim to be a final authority on anything - however, 
one of the sources you give for your claims (Michael Heinrichs' article) 
is actually included as an addendum to our edition of Volume III - and 
indeed that is the very source you give in another message:



There is also a text in English by Michael Heinrich that discusses Engels' 
editorial changes (which aren't really the topic of discussion here), which 
also mentions that the 1864/65 manuscript provides the textual material for 
Volume III:


https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/editorial/heinrich.htm


Finally, your paraphrase of the text by the MEGA editors seems to have 
been a little bit to justify your point



The editors of MEGA:


"Nicht nur die Inhalte werden diskutiert, auch die Authentizität des Textes ist bis heute 
strittig. Denn er fußt zwar auf Marx' Manuskript von 1864/1865, veröffentlicht in Band II/4.2, ist 
aber das Endprodukt eines langjährigen Redaktionsprozesses. Engels bezog neben dem 
„Hauptmanuskript" einige weitere Manuskripte zu Einzelfragen ein, die aus dem Zeitraum 
zwischen 1867/1868 und 1876 stammten und demnächst in Band II/4.3 veröffentlicht werden 
beziehungsweise in Band II/14 bereits vorgelegt wurden. Durch die Vermittlung der Bezüge zwischen 
der Druckfassung und den Manuskripten von Marx in der vorliegenden Ausgabe wird es möglich zu 
erkunden, inwieweit Engels den Text von Marx über das in der Druckfassung von 1894 Sichtbare hinaus 
veränderte, wo er eigene Akzente setzte und wie stark der Antrieb war, nicht nur als literarischer, 
sondern auch als politischer Nachlassverwalter zu wirken unter völlig veränderten wirtschaftlichen 
und politischen Rahmenbedingungen. So kann sich der Leser selbst ein Bild von der Ambivalenz 
machen, die Engels' Redaktion prägte: Auf der einen Seite steht sein Bestreben, die Manuskripte 
originalgetreu wiederzugeben, also „Marx in Marx' Worten" sprechen zu lassen, auf der anderen 
Seite sah sich Engels aber auch dazu legitimiert, in den Text und die Anordnung der Manuskripte 
einzugreifen, wenn ihm dies geboten erschien."
You mention the main source , which I'm not disputing in any way, as 
being the 1864/1865 Manuscript, but you ignore the following sentence: 
"In addition to the main manuscript, on individual questions Engels 
referred to additional manuscripts originating from the period between 
1867/1868 and 1876..."


This confirms the non-authoritative remark in the bibliographical 
information given by MIA on the index page of Volume III, that Engels 
drew on writings written between 1863 and 1883.


If you're going to be pedantic, please do it properly!

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On 03.10.2015 17:17, Brian McKenna via Marxism wrote:

Than You Philip.  I will order this book.

We can learn much from the Easter Rising. My grandfather, Edward McKenna,
fought the British during these years, was shot and had a price on his head
before his exile to America. US progressives can learn much by reading the
works of the Uprising's leader, James Connolly. See JC's Selected Political
Writings 1973 (eds. Owen Dudley Edwards & Bernard Ransom), London: Jonathan
Cape.


I'd just like to point out that by far the largest Collection of 
Connolly's writings is available online in the James Connolly Internet 
Archive , part of 
the Marxists Internet Archive. This contains all the works from all of 
the main anthologies plus a number of articles that have never been 
anthologised. The above volume has, unfortunately, been long out of print.


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Ken Hiebert located what I was looking for it is probably apocryphal.

There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where 
decades happen -- attributed to V.I. Lenin.


While this quote doesn't seem to appear in the collected works, a Google 
search of MIA's Lenin archive throws up a couple of hits for a likely 
source for the paraphrase:


In the space of a few months we passed through a number of stages of 
collaboration with the bourgeoisie and of shaking off petty-bourgeois 
illusions, for which other countries have required decades. In the 
course of a few weeks, having overthrown the bourgeoisie, we crushed its 
open resistance in civil war. 
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/mar/11.htm


Months of revolution sometimes educate citizens more quickly and fully 
than decades of political stagnation. 
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/jul/10.htm


Inthe history of revolutions there come to light contradictions that 
have ripened for decades and centuries. Life becomes unusually eventful. 
The masses, which have always stood in the shade and have therefore 
often been ignored and even despised by superficial observers, enter the 
political arena as active combatants. These masses are learning in 
practice, and before the eyes. of the world are taking their first 
tentative steps, feeling their way, defining their objectives, testing 
themselves and the theories of all their ideologists. These masses are 
making heroic efforts to rise to the occasion and cope with the gigantic 
tasks of world significance imposed upon them by history; and however 
great individual defeats may be, however shattering to us the rivers of 
blood and the thousands of victims, nothing will ever compare in 
importance with this direct training that the masses and the classes 
receive in the course of the revolutionary struggle itself. The history 
of this struggle is measured in days. 
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/rd/1.htm


Fordecades they did not become tired of waiting, but now they have 
become tired after a few weeks; they were not tired of waiting while 
they were asleep or vegetating, while the external circumstances of 
their lives contained nothing directly changing their existence beyond 
recognition, their mood, their consciousness, their will. They have 
become tired of waiting after a few weeks, now that the thirst for 
action has awakened in them with incredible rapidity, and the most 
eloquent and sympathetic words, even from such a lofty platform as the 
Duma, have begun to seem dreary, boring and uninteresting. The workers 
have become tired of waiting—the wave of strikes has begun to mount 
higher and higher. The peasants have become tired of waiting; no 
persecutions and tortures, exceeding the horrors of the medieval 
Inquisition, can stop their struggle for the land, for freedom. The 
sailors in Kronstadt and Sevastopol have become tired of waiting, as 
well as the infantrymen in Kursk, Poltava, Tula and Moscow, the 
guardsmen in Krasnoye Selo, and even the Cossacks. 
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1906/jun/08.htm


A similar search of the Trotsky Archive produces the following hits:

The economic change of society is very slow and is measured by centuries 
and decades. But when the economic conditions are radically changed, a 
transformation of the retarded psychological factors can be produced 
very quickly. https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1931/11/revsit.htm


Political democracy is an essential phase in the development of the 
working masses – with the important proviso that in some cases the 
working masses may remain in this phase for several decades, whereas in 
another case the revolutionary situation may enable the masses to 
liberate themselves from the prejudices of political democracy even 
before its institutions have come into being. 
https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1907/1905/pre.htm


At the beginning of 1917, the Bolsheviks remained within the Soviets as 
an insignificant minority. For months – and in a period when months 
counted for years, if not for decades – they tolerated a conciliationist 
majority in the Soviets, even though they already represented an 
overwhelming majority in the factory committees. 

Re: [Marxism] Tsipras’ Bailout Referendum Sham by Yves Smith

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On 27.06.2015 21:39, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:


On 6/27/15 3:30 PM, Ralph Johansen via Marxism wrote:

Tsipras’ Bailout Referendum Sham
Posted on June 27, 2015 by Yves Smith
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/06/tsipras-bailout-referendum-sham.html 





Greek defiance of its creditors will make it more, not less dependent 
on them in the next year.


That one sentence has made me decide that this article isn't worth 
reading. Obviously the election of Syriza and the struggles accompanying 
it were a complete waste of time and the best policy for the Greek 
working class would have been simply to accept any shit the Troika threw 
at them. Struggle is pointless - we might as well all give up - 
socialism is impossible.


Or have I somehow misinterpreted the ultimate conclusion of this type of 
argument?


So, it was more radical not to defy the creditors? Gosh, Naked 
Capitalism is more dialectical than I could have imagined.


Indeed!

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: ‘Novorossiya’s’ ‘Leftist’ Friends | The Interpreter

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On 02.06.2015 01:45, Sergii Kutnii via Marxism wrote:

Well, Sahra Wagenknecht mentioned criticizing the federal government 
for wrong policy towards Russia in the same interview.


Das sind keine Schnittmengen. Schon immer greifen Rechte Themen auf, 
die in der Bevölkerung populär sind. Und natürlich ist es richtig, die 
Bundesregierung für ihre falsche Russland-Politik zu kritisieren. Das 
tun Persönlichkeiten wie Helmut Schmidt oder Matthias Platzeck auch.


So Volodarskyi's words  Sara Wagenknecht of Die Linke has already 
publicly called for a dialogue with the ultra-right anti-immigration 
Pegida organization, appealing, first and foremost, given the 
proximity of their position on the Ukrainian and Russian question are 
not without foundation.


Oh for fuck's sake! The whole of DIE LINKE is opposed to the 
confrontation politics of the federal government as are many otehr 
people. The full translation is:


Those aren't overlaps. The [far] right always take up issues that are 
popular in the popular. And of course it's correct to criticise the 
government for its its incorrect policy towards Russia. That's something 
that personalities such as Helmut Schmidt [former SPD Chancellor] and 
Mathias Platzeck [former prime minister of Brandenburg and former 
chairman of SPD] also do.


Or are you in favour of the EU going to war with Russia over the Ukraine?

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: ‘Novorossiya’s’ ‘Leftist’ Friends | The Interpreter

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On 01.06.2015 19:02, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:
On 6/1/15 12:39 PM, A.R. G wrote: 



Re: The Western Left I have seen leftists in the West take many

different positions. It's true that a significant segment basically
threw in with Putin, although my guess would be that a significant
number did not even wade in.


I wish that was so. But for the most part, the Western left views 
anybody who rallied in Maidan Square as either witting or unwitting 
tools of American imperialism. As far as I know, I am one of the few 
people in the USA who identifies politically with Chris Ford, a 
long-time activist for Ukraine (he is proficient in the language and 
has written for scholarly publications.) Chris is very involved with 
the Ukraine Solidarity Campaign based in England and I invite 
Marxmailers to bookmark its website: 
http://ukrainesolidaritycampaign.org/


One of the problems I have with the article is that it seriously 
distorts certain things about positions within DIE LINKE, where I know 
the people and the positions they've taken in reality.


The article says, for example, that Andrej Hunko is regarded as an 
expert on the Ukraine simply because of his name. This isn't true, he's 
regarded as an expert because of years-long engagement with the politics 
of the country and personal acquaintance with many of the political 
actors. I must state an interest here - I've known Andrej for many years 
and I consider him a political ally on many issues, while disagreeing 
with him on his assessment of the Maidan. And as far as the notorious 
photo with the rebel leader in the Eastern Ukraine is concerned, as 
Andrej remarked in a personal conversation, if you are delivering 
medical supplies to a hospital in a war zone and a leader of one of the 
armed parties wants a photo you don't have much choice in the matter. 
Quite rightl,y Andrej points to the fact that the current regime is 
backed to the hilt by the US and the EU with the German government 
playing a leading role in this - and it's undeniable that there are many 
very unsavory political forces working in and with the Ukrainian 
government.  Again I stress that I don't agree with Andrej's position on 
the Maidan but to describe him as being pro-Putin is a slander which has 
its origins in the propaganda of the German CDU/CSU/SPD grand coalition.


Another leading figure in DIE LINKE who's slandered in the article is 
Sahra Wagenknecht. She is quoted to suggest that she was/is in favour of 
an alliance with the racist and xenophobic Pegida movement. While it is 
true that within the party there was some discussion about how to reach 
at least some of the people originally mobilised by Pegida, no member of 
the party in any official position, including Sahra Wagenknecht, has 
ever suggested holding talks with the leadership of this movement. 
Indeed from the very start DIE LINKE has played a central role in the 
mobilisations against Pegida in Dresden and similar movements elsewhere.


So while the article may make some valid points about the anti-imps and 
RT, on the basis of the inaccuracies and distortions, whether deliberate 
or otherwise, about individuals and debates I'm personally acquainted 
with, I would tend to discount the article as an authoritative account 
of anything.


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Re: [Marxism] Same-sex marriage referendum on Friday in south of Ireland

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 Barbara Winslow via Marxism wrote 
 
 Ah but will the Catholic Church ever allow legalized abortion and 
 contraception?

For the sake of clarity, contraception is now legal. You can even find condom 
vending machines in pub toilets now. Abortion is still a hot potato. The 
Supreme Court issued a ruling some years ago demanding legislation but no 
government has dared to do anything about the ruling yet.

On same-sex marriage the church has been campaigning against it, even getting 
the Pope to issue a statement, but it seems that most practising Catholics, the 
majority of the population, sre ignoring the Pope's advice!

Einde O'Callaghan 
 
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  On May 17, 2015, at 7:25 AM, Philip Ferguson via Marxism 
  marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote:
  
  With just five days to the referendum on same-sex marriage in the south of
  Ireland, polls continue to indicate that a hefty majority of public opinion
  supports the right of same-sex couples to wed.
  
  It looks like the south of Ireland will be the first country where the
  population have voted in favour of gay marriage.
  
  What happened to the south of Ireland as the bastion of incredibly
  socially-conservative Catholicism?
  
  https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/04/07/irish-society-and-politics-and-the-referendum-on-gay-marriage/
  
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Re: [Marxism] A vote to 86

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On 13.04.2015 07:33, Charles Faulkner via Marxism wrote:

this has gotten out of hand. 86 isn't a murderous threat. it's american police 
jargon for throwing someone out of a bar.

Here's some background on the term - probably more than any of us will 
ever need to know:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/86_%28term%29

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Re: [Marxism] Germans Protest European Austerity Measures

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On 19.03.2015 13:52, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:


NY Times, Mar. 19 2015
Germans Protest European Austerity Measures
By RHEA WESSEL and JACK EWING

FRANKFURT — Protesters set cars on fire and clashed with police 
officers on Wednesday as they marched toward the European Central 
Bank’s new headquarters in a demonstration against austerity and 
capitalism that took on a markedly more heated tone than past protests.


Reading this report you wouldn't get any idea that the main protest 
involved 20,000 people from all over Germany on a working day. All the 
reports in the bourgeois media have concentrated on the actions of a 
small minority - and there are also plausible allegations that agents 
provocateurs, particularly from militant Nazi groups, were involved in 
at least some of the actions.


Here is a more balanced consideration of the events and a discussion of 
the tasks facing activists: 
http://left-flank.org/2015/03/20/frankfurt-2015-anti-capitalism-makes-a-comeback/


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Re: [Marxism] A note on the Spartacist Tendency

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 I have heard of this group for years. What are their politics and why are
 they so widely viewed as nutjobs?

One of their endearing tactics that I experienced several times was heckling 
speakers and generally disrupting other groups' meetings until they were 
physically ejected and then organising petitions against the use of violence 
in the workers' movement!

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On 12.02.2015 06:44, Ken Hiebert via Marxism wrote:


I'm not sure what is happening, but advertising regular publications and then 
not keeping to schedule can only undermine their credibility.



What credibility?

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Alice Walker disinvited from University of Michigan over ‘Israel comments’ The Electronic Intifada

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 http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/alice-walker-disinvited-university-michigan-over-israel-comments
 
Louis, this news is almost 2 years old. It dates from March 2013.

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Re: [Marxism] Irish politics - a grand coalition of Fianna Fail and Fine Gael

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Phillip, in your opinion would there be any change in politics in Ireland
should SF ever form a gov't? Is there that much difference left on any of
major issues?


My take on this is: Yes and No! Based on their rhetoric (and their 
nationalist politics, which are critical of neoliberalism), they would 
probably take a harder line on the Troika and the debt than the current 
bunch of shysters, but I suspect they would eventually compromise as 
they did in the North. How quickly this would happen and how easily 
would depend on the strength of the old neoliberal parties and of the 
independents and, particularly, the radical left.


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Re: [Marxism] Interest in Bukharin's writing

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On 17.01.2015 23:51, Jim Farmelant via Marxism wrote:

Here is Hessen's paper.

http://webfiles.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/rereadingClassics/Hessen.pdf/V1_Hessen.pdf


This is a draft translation and is obviously in copyright under current 
international copyright agreements. Does anybody have any idea how to 
get in touch with the people involved so that we can get permission to 
put it in MIA.


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[Marxism] Eritrean refugee murdered in Dresden

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On Monday night, sometime after the latest racist PEGIDA march or 25,000 
in Dresden, a 20-year-old Eritrean refugee, Khaled Idris Bahray, was 
stabbed to death in Dresden. He left his apartment, where he lived with 
7 other Eritrean asylum seekers, to buy some groceries before the shops 
closed. That was the last his room-mates saw of him. His body was found 
early next morning in a pool of blood near the front door of his 
apartment block.


Initially the police announced that there were no indications foul play, 
despite the pool of blood and stab wounds in his throat and upper 
body!!! In addition, the site where the body was found wasn't secured 
for forensic examination until 24 hours after its discovery!!!


Police have now opened a murder inquiry and are interviewing 23 
suspects, i.e. his 7 room-mates and 16 other Eritreans who came to 
express their condolences!!!


On Twitter and Facebook many people have expressed disbelief at the 
behaviour of the police and even in the mainstream press some questions 
are now being raised. However, there has also been a flood of race-hate 
on Facebook and Twitter - one person stated one less mouth to feed, 
this being one of the milder remarks.


Here is a report from the Guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/14/eritrean-dresden-germany-murder-inquiry

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: LENIN'S TOMB: Anti-Muslim Racism from Above and From Below: On the Culturalization of Social Antagonisms in Neoliberalism

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On 13.01.2015 20:00, Andrew Pollack via Marxism wrote:

Love the conclusion:

How can perspectives be developed in which the interests of many groups
can be combined in solidarity? Cross-cultural, counter-hegemonic
orientations and identities can only emerge in the long-term in common
discussions that cross the barriers of different social groups without
disregarding their differences within capitalist and racist relations of
power. Some approaches might be the efforts towards a transnational network
for a “social Europe” and global justice “from below” (such as campaigns
for global social rights) and the extension of anti-racist
counter-mobilizations towards (long-term) social alliances against
anti-Muslim racism and precarization, security policies and economic
nationalism.

This is a (good) translation of a piece from a German group called 
Gruppe Soziale Kämpfe (Social Struggles Group). The ideas discussed are 
very interesting but the rather obscure language used is, unfortunately, 
quite typical of much discussion on the German left.


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On 30.11.2014 12:24, Michael Karadjis via Marxism wrote:



Like his fellow British fascism fan George Galloway


George Galloway may have some rather eccentric political positions but 
he is clearly a man of the left reformist left -  to describe him as a 
fascism fan is a political slander - unless the concept of fascism is 
emptied of all analytical content and is transformed into a political 
insult.


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Re: [Marxism] In Northern Ireland, a Wave of Immigrants Is Met With Fists

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  (I wondered how in the hell that Irish Catholics, the victims of racism,
  could end up as racists themselves. Once you get past the headline, you
  discover that the Protestants are responsible for the bulk of the attacks
  on immigrants.)
 
 
 It is further evidence of the reaction encouraged by partition. Protestant
 sectarianism and its loyalist political expression, encouraged and
 bolstered by partition, is not going to stop at just hatred and violence
 towards one sector. As always, it is often the poorest Protestants taking
 out frustration and anger on those they view as below them.
 
 Ending partition is not going to end such racism, or sectarianism, but it
 would be an important step in removing the key for fostering such reaction,
 and undermine the sense that Protestants, however low on the social scale,
 have a state that belongs specifically to *them*.

The article makes clear that most of the attacks are in Loyalist (i.e. 
Protestant) aread where right-wing and racist ideas have always been strong. It 
also mentions that when attacks have occurred in Catholic areas there have been 
anti-racist demos rather than racist mobs.
Einde O'Callaghan 
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The tide turns against Political Marxism | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

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On 13.10.2014 23:59, Louis Proyect wrote:

On 10/13/14 5:29 PM, Einde O'Callaghan via Marxism wrote:

full:
http://louisproyect.org/2014/10/12/the-tide-turns-against-political-marxism/ 





On your Facebook page, Louis, I've commented that you don't really
appear to be familiar with the theoretical tradition that the ISO and
ISR come from. Certainly in the publications of the British SWP there
has been a constant critique of Brenner and Political Marxism from its
early days. I posted a link to a transcript of a 2004 e3bqate between
Chris Harman and Robert Brenner: http://www.isj.org.uk/index.php4?id=219



Actually, Einde, now that I think about it since replying on FB, I am 
not sure that I accused the British SWP of Political Marxism--lots of 
other things obviously, but not that. If you saw evidence of that, 
please let me know. I might have slipped up.



I thought I'd replied to this but apparently it hasn't got through (or 
at least I can't find it anywhere) or maybe I accidentally sent it just 
to you, Louis.


I didn't mean to imply that you accused the SWP of political Marxism, 
Louis. I was just trying to point out that the theoretical tradition 
that the ISO and ISR come from has a long history of criticising and 
opposing the Brenner thesis and the political conclusions drawn from it.


In your 2004 piece you mention Harman's contribution (and link to an 
article by Harman criticising Brenner) but you don't actually say what 
Harman had to say. This isn't a criticism, since you were discussing 
Brenner specifically. I was just trying to jog your memory because of 
your remarks in your recent article.


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Re: [Marxism] NY Times: ISIS' Ammunition Is Shown to Have Origins in U.S. and China

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 In its campaign across northern Syria and Iraq, the jihadist group Islamic
 State has been using ammunition from the United States and other countries
 that have been supporting the regional security forces fighting the group,
 according to new field data gathered by a private arms-tracking
 organization ...
 
 http://nyti.ms/1vIOKbA
 
Is this surprising? The ISIS captured huge amounts of American arms and 
ammunition when they routed the Iraqi army in Western Iraq. 

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Re: [Marxism] Mosul: a drumbeat of indignity

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Wall St. Journal, August 28 2014
Cruelty Reigns Inside City Held by Militants
by Matt Bradley

BAGHDAD -- In Islamist-held Mosul this week, a local doctor watched 
insurgents berate and arrest a man in a public market, accusing him of 
adultery.

When Islamic State militants then stoned the man to death in public, the 
doctor chose not to watch. But many others did, and not by choice. The 
fighters repeatedly screened a video recording of the killing on several 
large digital monitors they erected in the city center.

More than two months after the Sunni extremist group took over on June 
10, such displays of public brutality and humiliation have become part 
of a constant drumbeat of indignity endured by the population of Iraq's 
second-largest city, according to about half a dozen residents 
interviewed by phone.

A United Nations report published Wednesday said Islamic State 
militants, who have captured large swaths of territory across Syria and 
Iraq, hold executions, amputations and lashings in public squares 
regularly on Fridays in territory they control in northern Syria. They 
urge civilians, including children, to watch, according to the report.

Initially, many in the Sunni-majority city of Mosul were pleased to see 
Islamic State fighters send the mostly Shiite Iraqi army fleeing after 
sectarian tensions in the country worsened under Prime Minister Nouri 
al-Maliki. But that enthusiasm faded fast.

People aren't sympathizing with them anymore, said the doctor. People 
wanted to get rid of the Iraqi army. But after the Islamic State turned 
against Mosul, the people of Mosul started turning against them.

Residents say the rising resentment has come alongside rumors that 
homegrown militias are mustering troops in secret to overthrow the 
militants. Two such groups in particular, the Prophet of Jonah Brigades 
and the Free Mosul Brigades, have formed in the past few weeks, 
residents said.

But few people in Mosul expect the city's residents to succeed where the 
Iraqi army has failed, unless they have outside help. Unlike most 
Iraqis, the people of Mosul were left largely unarmed after the Iraqi 
army went house to house a few years ago and confiscated weapons in a 
bid to reduce violence in the city.

With pressure mounting, the insurgents appear to be bracing for the 
worst. They have been spotted placing improvised explosive devices 
around the center of the city so they can detonate them in case of a 
ground attack, said Atheel Al Nujaifi, the former governor of Nineveh 
province in northern Iraq, where Mosul is located.

On Tuesday, Mr. Nujaifi said the insurgents rigged bridges connecting 
the city's two opposing banks with plastic C4 explosives, though that 
couldn't be independently verified.

The planting of land mines and other explosives in an effort to stave 
off counteroffensives is part of the Islamic State's unfolding 
battlefield strategy. They used the tactic at the Mosul Dam, but failed 
to hold the strategic site in the face of Kurdish ground offensive 
backed by Iraqi special forces and U.S. airstrikes. They have employed 
it with more success in the city of Tikrit, where repeated Iraqi 
counteroffensives have failed so far.

A local civilian uprising against Islamic State wouldn't be 
unprecedented. In January, civilians in the Syrian city of Aleppo who 
were disgusted by the group's cruelty helped more moderate fighters 
expel the group that was then known as the Islamic State of Iraq and 
al-Sham, or ISIS.

Many in Mosul are afraid to complain publicly. But those who do describe 
a blighted city that is now almost entirely void of the black-clad, 
masked militants -- many of whom were clearly foreign. They once paraded 
through the streets, boasting about their victories over the Iraqi 
military while passing out religious literature.

Before, they were proud and they were telling people about their 
victories. 'We're fighting here, we're fighting there,' said another 
Mosul resident. But now they don't talk about their victories and how 
proud they are that they're fighting. In terms of morale, they are not 
like before.

Some estimate that there are fewer than 500 militants now policing the 
city of 1.7 million. Most of those who remain are local collaborators 
who are securing the streets while hard-bitten insurgents repel 
increasingly fierce attacks from the Kurdish regional forces known as 
Peshmerga and elite Iraqi units further east.

Still the paucity of 

Re: [Marxism] More nonsense from the pro-Russia brigade

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On 20.06.2014 15:33, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:


On 6/20/14 2:27 AM, glparramatta--- via Marxism wrote:

In most recent Budgen-like spray, Louis forgot to include the link:
http://links.org.au/node/3916



Just a follow up on Annis's inanity, ARAMCO, the Saudi oil company, is 
state-owned. I don't think this is what Marx and Lenin had in mind 
when they were writing about socialism. In fact Lenin used the term 
state capitalism to refer to such entities but not in the Tony Cliff 
sense.


Just  for clarification, Tony Cliff actually also referred to such 
entities as a form of state capitalism (following on from Bukharin's 
analysis in Imperialism and World Economy), although he distinguished 
it clearly from what he called bureaucratic state capitalism in the 
Soviet Union.


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Re: [Marxism] [lbo-talk] Israeli Citizens Write to Dr. Gregor Gysi and Die Linke-- End Your Support of Israeli Apartheid!

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On 10.06.2014 01:32, Michael Smith via Marxism wrote:

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On Mon, June 9, 2014 6:25 pm, Joseph Catron wrote:

If anyone knows Die Linke, please tell 'em I said they suck.

They seem to be more or less the German equivalent of the
Working Families Party.

This remark and the remark it's responding to reveal a profound 
ignorance of the realities of German politics.


The history of Germany has led to an incredible sensitivity about any 
hint of anti-semitism within Germany. This expresses itself politically 
in a fundamental tenet of the official ideology of the German bourgeois 
state: unconditional solidarity with Israel as the state of the Jewish 
people. Any attempt to call this into question is followed by vicious 
attacks on those who raise the question of solidarity with the 
Palestinian people. An example of this was a vicious campaign against 
Sahra Wagenknecht and a number of other deputies of DIE LINKE who 
refused to join the standing ovation for Peres after his war-mongering 
speech in the Bundestag.


This creates great difficulties for those of us who support the 
Palestinians and also means that the leaders of the party DIE LINKE ends 
up trying to avoid provoking any accusations of anti-semitism. This is 
very frustrating - but understandable. The sensitivity of the issue can 
be seen that the BDS campaign has made no headway at all in Germany - 
the comparison is always drawn with the Nazis' Kauf nicht bei dem 
Juden (Don't buy from the Jew) campaign. Again this is very frustrating 
- but understandable. And if the armchair critics had experienced the 
attacks on deputies of DIE LINKE who participated in the flotilla to 
Gaza, who were accused of providing support to terrorists, they might 
not be quite so ready with their insults.


DIE LINKE, for all its faults and weaknesses, is the only consistently 
anti-war and anti-austerity force in the German Bundestag - even if we 
do have an ultra-reformist realo wing (by no means dominant) which is 
trying to find a way to be accepted as a potential partner for 
government. However, it's also relevant this realo wing (which is also 
the most pro-Zionist element in the party) is experiencing an 
existential crisis at the moment because they were unable to get their 
representative elected a vice-chairperson of the party - instead a 
well-known peace campaigner identified with the far-left of the party 
was elected after a hard-fought contest.


Einde O'Callaghan

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Re: [Marxism] Something for Islamophobes to ponder

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 Right. Today, in how many parts of the English-speaking world are Catholics
 the driving force behind anti-Muslim sentiment

I'm not certain whaz yout point is here. Why restrict it to ENGLISH-speaking 
countries? After all there's only one English-speaking country where 
Catholicism is the main religion and I think you'll find that there Catholics 
are the driving force behind Islamophobia.

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Re: [Marxism] Is Slavoj Zizek a US propaganda psyop?

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On 26.05.2014 18:40, Michael Smith via Marxism wrote:

On May 26, 2014, at 12:33 PM, Richard Fidler rfidle...@sympatico.ca wrote:


Actually, Michael, in Latin it is Cartago delenda est. No th in Latin, and
cities are feminine, hence delenda.

Of course it is, because as you correctly note, 'Carthago' is feminine;
but Zizek, presumably, is not. Hence he is delendus rather than
delenda.

As for 'no th in Latin', I suggest a quick look at LS or OLD.
'Cart(h)ago' is of course not a native Latin word.
My memory from my Latin lessons is that the word order was: Delenda est 
Carthago - I believe that th was used in classical Latin to represent 
the sound of the Greek letter theta, which was similar to the 
voiceless th sound in English.


And Zizek would definitely merit a delendus!

Einde

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