Re: [Marxism] Amy Goodman publicizes racist: More of the red-brown alliance in action

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To be fair, I very much doubt Amy Goodman knew anything about Zaya's
background. I also unknowingly quoted him in some discussion, though only
on a purely factual matter. If you look at this wikipedia page on him,
there is nothing about nazi connections, in fact his work looks rather
impressive:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred-Maurice_de_Zayas?fbclid=IwAR2Cbu8DNIEWnBFNcoUUmIHBy_u5IGNlggnkxC8B7nOV_5jMui1k6uXSris
The link, I think, is that he did genuine research on the mass expulsion of
the German population from eastern Europe and the Balkans in 1945, one of
the world's largest ever forced population movements, some 13 million
German civilians uprooted, who form some 20% of today's population of
Germany. This valid work is what seems to have attracted the attention of
the German far-right, but unfortunately there is now overwhelming evidence
that Zayas himself has right-wing and anti-Semitic ideas.
Just on Amith's comment:

>
> • "Israel emerged out of terrorism against the indigenous population" and
> its representatives should be denied U.N. accreditation. Source
> "
>
> So to criticize leftists at DN for bringing on a right-wing mouthpiece like
> de Zayas, you guys cite a leftist blog (CounterVortex) that cites
> right-wing mouthpieces and Zionist war propaganda (like UN Watch)?
>
> There is nothing "problematic" about half of those quotes.
> 


I agree there is nothing problematic about half the quotes, it is the other
half that are the problem ("George W. Bush and Tony Blair too are
Pharisees."!) Weinberg himself is anti-Zionist so his inclusion of this bit
is confusing, likewise his point about the US destabilising the middle
east, but further down he seems to be saying that, yes, some of these
points are valid, but he put them next to the bad ones in order to put them
in context, ie, a far rightist can appear anti-imperialist and anti-Zionist
when taken out of context. He says for example yes the US destrabilised
Iraq, but not Syria. On the Israel bit, he says "this (ie, the anti-Semitic
stuff) taints whatever points he may have about the origins of Israel
(although it is hardly the only state to have "emerged out of terrorism
against the indigenous population").
Admittedly, at first sight, the list does seem a bit of a shocker though,
and he could have avoided that if he's done it better.
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Re: [Marxism] Amy Goodman publicizes racist: More of the red-brown alliance in action

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Weinberg unfriended and blocked me after I pointed out telesur broke the
story on false positives long before countervortex.

On the other hand his running battle with Verizon was hilarious, although
I’m sure he does not think so.
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Re: [Marxism] Amy Goodman publicizes racist: More of the red-brown alliance in action

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On 1/29/19 1:49 PM, John Reimann via Marxism wrote:


https://countervortex.org/node/16232?fbclid=IwAR3bvY7IR69dbjwAorVT-aLItywJ5ZxYH5KBlrUiF5oZGbsHHthjXwKzk6k



This is Bill Weinberg's website. I've been forced to unfriend twice on 
FB. The first time it was over his really obnoxious attacks on Jill 
Stein during the 2016 election. He made voting for Hillary Clinton a 
litmus test for the left.


About a year ago I decided to send him a friend request after the 
bitterness over the elections died down. A few days after the Yellow 
Vest movement began making news, he began making an amalgam between them 
and Marine Le Pen. Interestingly enough, the only other FB friend who 
took this tack was Daniel Lazare, who is infamous for his pro-Assad 
drivel. Hmm. I wonder how these two birdbrains could oppose each other 
so vehemently on Syria can agree on the Yellow Vests.

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Re: [Marxism] Amy Goodman publicizes racist: More of the red-brown alliance in action

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*Also worth noting, to his credit: ARR did not cite UN Watch or other
Israeli propaganda in criticizing DN for hosting this man. He (mostly)
focused on the things that genuinely make de Zayas problematic, like his
association with AfD.

Amith R. Gupta
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Re: [Marxism] Amy Goodman publicizes racist: More of the red-brown alliance in action

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" But the assembled quotes from de Zayas do point up how an unprincipled
anti-Americanism can lead to extremely problematic territory. To wit:
...
• "Israel emerged out of terrorism against the indigenous population" and
its representatives should be denied U.N. accreditation. Source
"

So to criticize leftists at DN for bringing on a right-wing mouthpiece like
de Zayas, you guys cite a leftist blog (CounterVortex) that cites
right-wing mouthpieces and Zionist war propaganda (like UN Watch)?

There is nothing "problematic" about half of those quotes. The Old
Testament, like most ancient religious literature, is a barbaric book.
Nuremburg was an exercise in victor's justice, which is why subsequent
international criminal tribunals tried to make serious structural changes
to the process, including standardizing (or attempting to standardize)
international criminal law. The Allies did commit horrific wartime
atrocities, just as the Axis powers did, even if genocide wasn't one of
them. And Israel is unambiguously a regime that emerged out of terrorism
against the indigenous population. And even as the piece notes that UN
Watch is "pro-Western" (which is misleading, unless by "Western" you mean
"Israel"), it still depends on UN Watch for half of the material and even
repeats Israeli propaganda. It is also worth noting how the implicit
suggestion is that being "pro-Western" or pro-Israel and attempting to
discredit human rights agencies that monitor Israeli abuses -- which are
happening in real time -- does not qualify as racism or right-wing activism
(at least, not enough to stop quoting them), while this man's affiliations
with groups that downplay atrocities that happened historically do.

That de Zayas is apparently a German fascist or has fascist supporters is
being used by this blog as a launching point to assail not only Democracy
Now but a series of totally valid and fundamentally left-wing political
causes including anti-Zionism and anti-imperialism. It smells like an
Anti-Deutsch blog.

And it is transparent they aren't just going at DN for the mistake of
hosting a fake expert with Nazi ties (which is a reasonable criticism), but
actually substantively opposed to opposition to imperialism and Zionism (or
at least, totally clueless about both things) and they are using this man's
appearance to give it the veneer of being principled leftists.

Amith R. Gupta


On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 4:05 PM MM via Marxism 
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> > On Jan 29, 2019, at 1:49 PM, John Reimann via Marxism <
> marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:
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> >
> https://countervortex.org/node/16232?fbclid=IwAR3bvY7IR69dbjwAorVT-aLItywJ5ZxYH5KBlrUiF5oZGbsHHthjXwKzk6k
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> >
> >
> > Amy Goodman has put on her show one Alfred de Zayas, a supposed "former
> UN
> > expert" on human rights. He was put on to discuss Venezuela. As the
> article
> > reveals, de Zayas is a supporter of the AfD in Germany. He only "opposes"
> > US imperialism because he supports Putin and Russian imperialism. We see,
> > once again, how all these radical lefts, or in the case of Goodman a left
> > liberal, are fodder for the red-brown alliance because they completely
> miss
> > the main point: The class conflict.
>
> It seems worth pointing out that Bill acknowledges it was Alexander Reid
> Ross who first brought this to his attention:
>
> https://twitter.com/areidross/status/1089301480803229697
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Re: [Marxism] Amy Goodman publicizes racist: More of the red-brown alliance in action

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> On Jan 29, 2019, at 1:49 PM, John Reimann via Marxism 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://countervortex.org/node/16232?fbclid=IwAR3bvY7IR69dbjwAorVT-aLItywJ5ZxYH5KBlrUiF5oZGbsHHthjXwKzk6k
>  
> 
> 
> Amy Goodman has put on her show one Alfred de Zayas, a supposed "former UN
> expert" on human rights. He was put on to discuss Venezuela. As the article
> reveals, de Zayas is a supporter of the AfD in Germany. He only "opposes"
> US imperialism because he supports Putin and Russian imperialism. We see,
> once again, how all these radical lefts, or in the case of Goodman a left
> liberal, are fodder for the red-brown alliance because they completely miss
> the main point: The class conflict.

It seems worth pointing out that Bill acknowledges it was Alexander Reid Ross 
who first brought this to his attention:

https://twitter.com/areidross/status/1089301480803229697

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[Marxism] Amy Goodman publicizes racist: More of the red-brown alliance in action

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Amy Goodman has put on her show one Alfred de Zayas, a supposed "former UN
expert" on human rights. He was put on to discuss Venezuela. As the article
reveals, de Zayas is a supporter of the AfD in Germany. He only "opposes"
US imperialism because he supports Putin and Russian imperialism. We see,
once again, how all these radical lefts, or in the case of Goodman a left
liberal, are fodder for the red-brown alliance because they completely miss
the main point: The class conflict.

John Reimann

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