Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Whatever happens to Greece, the euro is unsustainable | Business Spectator
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Whatever happens to Greece, the euro is unsustainable | Business Spectator
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Whatever happens to Greece, the euro is unsustainable | Business Spectator
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Behind a paywall Best Wishes, - A On Jul 4, 2015 1:54 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2015/7/3/european-crisis/whatever-happens-greece-euro-unsustainable _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/adgagneri%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Whatever happens to Greece, the euro is unsustainable | Business Spectator
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Louis Proyect wrote Use this instead: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/whatever-happens-to-greece-the-euro-is-unsustainable/story-fnp85lcq-1227427130625 http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2015/7/3/european-crisis/whatever-happens-greece-euro-unsustainable Thanks but same result, says it's for subscribers only, but when I put your first url in google it came up --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Whatever happens to Greece, the euro is unsustainable | Business Spectator
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * For some reason, I hit no paywall, even though I have no subscription. Opened first time. Are there any copyright issues with me sending the text to the list? Or otherwise ask me off-list. -Original Message- From: Gary MacLennan via Marxism Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2015 8:39 AM To: Michael Karadjis Subject: Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Whatever happens to Greece, the euro is unsustainable | Business Spectator POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Hitting the pay wall every time. Shame because I am trying to pay attention to what the thoughtful bourgeois commentators are saying. There has to be intense traffic behind the scenes. We are fed rubbish in the main media, but occasionally a serious article appears. The Guardian had an article saying that thus all could be the Eurozone's Sarajevo moment, when the great powers stumbled into WW1. I think the analogy is false and the history bad, but what I took out from that was the idea of a fear of losing control was setting in within bourgeois ranks. Another significant item (I thought) was that the Americans forced the IMF to release the paper which substantially supports Syriza's position. Certainly Tsirpas seized upon this. There was also talk in the Guardian that this crisis could be another Lehman Brothers moment. My reaction to that is Who knows? and that is precisely the point. Uncertainty is bad for the famous animal spirits of the ruling class. Then the Guardian editorialized about this being the worst of all possible outcomes. A Yes vote would mean that the Bureaucrats in Europe had succeeded in binging down a government. And that could turn out to be a Pyrrhic Victory. Destroying the pro-European Left, as Galbraith pointed out, would lead to a very uncertain future. Finally there is some suggestion that the leading thug Shauble might be blinking. He mumbled something about not leaving the Greek people in the lurch. If the Guardian's interpretation of what he has to say is accurate then he has been got at; possibly by the Americans. So what to make of all this? I keep thinking of the Barthes' article where he discusses ex-nomination. That is an ugly word but basically what he was saying was that the capitalists had succeeded in getting names for them removed from public language. Only we old lefties talk about the ruling class and when we do eyes glaze over everywhere. My students, who actually loved me, used to giggle affectionately at Old Gary ranting again. I am also reading, with a friend, Walter Benjamin on Language as Such. All very mystical but he too talks about a language that names and brings things into being. So what has all this to do with the price of bread? Well my take on the Greek crisis is that the neo-Keynesian Left (eat your heart out, Gary), are partly responsible for a situation where the forces of capitalism have been named. This is because Syriza has campaigned not for soviets but against austerity and so have struck a great chord with millions throughout Europe. As a consequence the capitalists are out there in all their frightful thuggery and ugliness. And they are elements among them who are quite unhappy at being there and being named. There has to be anger in bourgeois circles at the intransigence of the Germans who have brought us to this situation. It is Sunday morning now, here in Brisbane. May the winds of change that are blowing in Athens turn out to be a tornado and sweep away the powers that be. comradely Gary _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/mkaradjis%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Whatever happens to Greece, the euro is unsustainable | Business Spectator
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I tried googling the title and the Australian let me in, once. It was worthwhile reading but, sorry, i didn't copy as that was about the same time as Louis' suggested the alternative url and i thought the problem was solved. Maybe Louis can still get to it and copy, or another try at googling the title will work for someone else. Thanks for your unprickly (prickly, there's an interesting word for musing about language [english]) and comradely sharing of thoughts, Gary. On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Gary MacLennan via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Hitting the pay wall every time. Shame because I am trying to pay attention to what the thoughtful bourgeois commentators are saying. There has to be intense traffic behind the scenes. We are fed rubbish in the main media, but occasionally a serious article appears. The Guardian had an article saying that thus all could be the Eurozone's Sarajevo moment, when the great powers stumbled into WW1. I think the analogy is false and the history bad, but what I took out from that was the idea of a fear of losing control was setting in within bourgeois ranks. Another significant item (I thought) was that the Americans forced the IMF to release the paper which substantially supports Syriza's position. Certainly Tsirpas seized upon this. There was also talk in the Guardian that this crisis could be another Lehman Brothers moment. My reaction to that is Who knows? and that is precisely the point. Uncertainty is bad for the famous animal spirits of the ruling class. Then the Guardian editorialized about this being the worst of all possible outcomes. A Yes vote would mean that the Bureaucrats in Europe had succeeded in binging down a government. And that could turn out to be a Pyrrhic Victory. Destroying the pro-European Left, as Galbraith pointed out, would lead to a very uncertain future. Finally there is some suggestion that the leading thug Shauble might be blinking. He mumbled something about not leaving the Greek people in the lurch. If the Guardian's interpretation of what he has to say is accurate then he has been got at; possibly by the Americans. So what to make of all this? I keep thinking of the Barthes' article where he discusses ex-nomination. That is an ugly word but basically what he was saying was that the capitalists had succeeded in getting names for them removed from public language. Only we old lefties talk about the ruling class and when we do eyes glaze over everywhere. My students, who actually loved me, used to giggle affectionately at Old Gary ranting again. I am also reading, with a friend, Walter Benjamin on Language as Such. All very mystical but he too talks about a language that names and brings things into being. So what has all this to do with the price of bread? Well my take on the Greek crisis is that the neo-Keynesian Left (eat your heart out, Gary), are partly responsible for a situation where the forces of capitalism have been named. This is because Syriza has campaigned not for soviets but against austerity and so have struck a great chord with millions throughout Europe. As a consequence the capitalists are out there in all their frightful thuggery and ugliness. And they are elements among them who are quite unhappy at being there and being named. There has to be anger in bourgeois circles at the intransigence of the Germans who have brought us to this situation. It is Sunday morning now, here in Brisbane. May the winds of change that are blowing in Athens turn out to be a tornado and sweep away the powers that be. comradely Gary _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/daynegoodwin%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Whatever happens to Greece, the euro is unsustainable | Business Spectator
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Hitting the pay wall every time. Shame because I am trying to pay attention to what the thoughtful bourgeois commentators are saying. There has to be intense traffic behind the scenes. We are fed rubbish in the main media, but occasionally a serious article appears. The Guardian had an article saying that thus all could be the Eurozone's Sarajevo moment, when the great powers stumbled into WW1. I think the analogy is false and the history bad, but what I took out from that was the idea of a fear of losing control was setting in within bourgeois ranks. Another significant item (I thought) was that the Americans forced the IMF to release the paper which substantially supports Syriza's position. Certainly Tsirpas seized upon this. There was also talk in the Guardian that this crisis could be another Lehman Brothers moment. My reaction to that is Who knows? and that is precisely the point. Uncertainty is bad for the famous animal spirits of the ruling class. Then the Guardian editorialized about this being the worst of all possible outcomes. A Yes vote would mean that the Bureaucrats in Europe had succeeded in binging down a government. And that could turn out to be a Pyrrhic Victory. Destroying the pro-European Left, as Galbraith pointed out, would lead to a very uncertain future. Finally there is some suggestion that the leading thug Shauble might be blinking. He mumbled something about not leaving the Greek people in the lurch. If the Guardian's interpretation of what he has to say is accurate then he has been got at; possibly by the Americans. So what to make of all this? I keep thinking of the Barthes' article where he discusses ex-nomination. That is an ugly word but basically what he was saying was that the capitalists had succeeded in getting names for them removed from public language. Only we old lefties talk about the ruling class and when we do eyes glaze over everywhere. My students, who actually loved me, used to giggle affectionately at Old Gary ranting again. I am also reading, with a friend, Walter Benjamin on Language as Such. All very mystical but he too talks about a language that names and brings things into being. So what has all this to do with the price of bread? Well my take on the Greek crisis is that the neo-Keynesian Left (eat your heart out, Gary), are partly responsible for a situation where the forces of capitalism have been named. This is because Syriza has campaigned not for soviets but against austerity and so have struck a great chord with millions throughout Europe. As a consequence the capitalists are out there in all their frightful thuggery and ugliness. And they are elements among them who are quite unhappy at being there and being named. There has to be anger in bourgeois circles at the intransigence of the Germans who have brought us to this situation. It is Sunday morning now, here in Brisbane. May the winds of change that are blowing in Athens turn out to be a tornado and sweep away the powers that be. comradely Gary _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
