Re: [Marxism] Iran protest
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 12/31/17 2:18 PM, Ron Jacobs via Marxism wrote: Actually, there's plenty of doubtthe fact that MEK and pro- shah factions are some of the loudest cheerleaders is just one reason to doubt the veracity of that statement. Ron Jacobs: One disturbing aspect of Mossaddessin’s text is his referral to the support that the NCRI and PMOI [MEK] have received from various members of the US government. Especially disturbing is his quoting of Daniel Pipes, the neoconservative apologist for the worst of Israel’s oppressive tactics in Palestine. One would think that he would see this support for what it truly is: an attempt to manipulate these organizations into doing Washington’s dirty work in replacing the theocratic regime in Iran. Conversations I have had with grassroots supporters of the PMOI, however, make it clear that the majority of its members understand that their revolutionary vision of Islam is no more palatable to US goals for the region than that of the fundamentalists. full: https://www.counterpunch.org/2004/04/09/a-review-of-quot-enemies-of-the-ayatollahs-quot/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Iran protest
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 2017-12-31 20:18, Ron Jacobs via Marxism wrote: Chris Slee wrote " there's no doubt that this is a genuine people's uprising..." Actually, there's plenty of doubt Ron, It really sounds like you've given up on progressive protest/action taken up by the working class (or equally bad, that this will only happen under the magical leadership of a particular vanguard party). When Chris wrote that "there was no doubt," that was because it is obvious when protests erupt more or less spontaneously on that scale, that it wasn't simply staged. Unless you're believing in an unlikely conspiracy theory. Yes, it was acknowledged that rightist elements may have initiated protest action but that doesn't explain the "uprising" that we are talking about. As long as the protests are being repressed, you can be sure that all kinds of right wing and anti-Iran forces in the world will be "protesting" with them, verbally that is. I just hope the left doesn't repeat the enemy-of-my-enemy mistake that largely prevented solidarity with the Syrian revolution, where similar concerns were cited. - Jeff _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Iran protest
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Chris Slee wrote " there's no doubt that this is a genuine people's uprising..." Actually, there's plenty of doubtthe fact that MEK and pro- shah factions are some of the loudest cheerleaders is just one reason to doubt the veracity of that statement. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
