[Marxism] Syriza government deepens alliance with Israeli military
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Re: [Marxism] Syriza government deepens alliance with Israeli military
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I think it would be interesting to compare, chronologically, Syriza's turn toward Israel with its turn toward betraying some of its economic policy. Earlier Syriza was quite militant about criticizing Israeli aggression and it appeared that it was the more anti-Semitic parties (ironically) in Greece that were willing to sacrifice their anti-Zionist credentials to call for military alliances with Israel. There does not appear to be much analysis of how capitulation to capitalism and banking in general also engenders reaffirming pre-existing military alliances in opposition to public outrage, and any attempt to discuss this subject wrt Israel is met with accusations of anti-Semitic conspiracism. - Amith On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Dennis Brasky via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/greek-forces-train-israel-syriza-led-government-deepens-alliance?utm_source=EI+readersutm_campaign=fa07eb981b-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGNutm_medium=emailutm_term=0_e802a7602d-fa07eb981b-290662377 _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Syriza government deepens alliance with Israeli military
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Shame. Reminds me of Francois Hollande's statements on the matter, along with Die Linke. Decisions by leftists to forego a principled stance on one of the most blatant and obvious injustices in the world is a gift to the right. - Amith On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 5:21 PM, ioannis aposperites via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 06/08/2015 05:01 μμ, A.R. G via Marxism wrote: I think it would be interesting to compare, chronologically, Syriza's turn toward Israel with its turn toward betraying some of its economic policy. I am afraid it is more deep than that. Back in August 2012 Shimon Peres had visited Greece. He did not fail to pay a visit at SYRIZA's headquarters: http://www.kis.gr/en/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=447:shimon-peres-state-visit-to-greececatid=12:2009Itemid=41 http://www.timesofisrael.com/shimon-peres-in-greece-for-three-day-visit/ Surprisingly, Syriza has made no declarations in the press concerning the meeting. The official party's silence had raised a controversy. Journalists were asking around. The Syriza's reaction was some apologetic articles in the party's newspaper. In this sense Rena Dourou, now the regional governor of Attica, had wrote two newspaper articles one in to ethnos and another in Avgi SYRIZA's official newspaper, praising Peres who has over the years expressed the left version of the Israeli political stage and estimating that today, the relations of Israelis and Palestinians are in a dead point. In favour of whom? Certainly in favour of the extremists on both sides https://ecoleft.wordpress.com/2012/08/14/%CF%84%CE%BF-%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%AE%CE%BB-%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B7%CE%BD-%CE%BA%CF%8C%CF%88%CE%B7-%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%85-%CE%BE%CF%85%CF%81%CE%B1%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%BF%CF%8D/#more-20768 This had a serious impact on Syriza. Tasos kourakis, now the education deputy minister, among others, had then declared as of the meeting Peres-Tsipras: That will be our future policy? No, I am not interesting in that kind of responsible diplomacy, which tomorrow will be our foreign policy iskra.gr, the site of left platform had even republished from to ethnos an almost polemic article by G. Delastic an ANTARSYA journalist although with a modest neutrality disclaimer http://www.iskra.gr/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=9108:delastik-tsipras-perescatid=81:kivernisiItemid=198 Obviously by now, almost three years later, they all have changed their minds. Nobody in Syriza has raised that kind of issue, not even after the referendum during the internal struggle. Apparently they agree with Kamenos and the bourgeoisie that foreign policy is a very serious matter to be left in the hands of a non right-wing government. JA _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Syriza government deepens alliance with Israeli military
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 06/08/2015 05:01 μμ, A.R. G via Marxism wrote: I think it would be interesting to compare, chronologically, Syriza's turn toward Israel with its turn toward betraying some of its economic policy. I am afraid it is more deep than that. Back in August 2012 Shimon Peres had visited Greece. He did not fail to pay a visit at SYRIZA's headquarters: http://www.kis.gr/en/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=447:shimon-peres-state-visit-to-greececatid=12:2009Itemid=41 http://www.timesofisrael.com/shimon-peres-in-greece-for-three-day-visit/ Surprisingly, Syriza has made no declarations in the press concerning the meeting. The official party's silence had raised a controversy. Journalists were asking around. The Syriza's reaction was some apologetic articles in the party's newspaper. In this sense Rena Dourou, now the regional governor of Attica, had wrote two newspaper articles one in to ethnos and another in Avgi SYRIZA's official newspaper, praising Peres who has over the years expressed the left version of the Israeli political stage and estimating that today, the relations of Israelis and Palestinians are in a dead point. In favour of whom? Certainly in favour of the extremists on both sides https://ecoleft.wordpress.com/2012/08/14/%CF%84%CE%BF-%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%AE%CE%BB-%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B7%CE%BD-%CE%BA%CF%8C%CF%88%CE%B7-%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%85-%CE%BE%CF%85%CF%81%CE%B1%CF%86%CE%B9%CE%BF%CF%8D/#more-20768 This had a serious impact on Syriza. Tasos kourakis, now the education deputy minister, among others, had then declared as of the meeting Peres-Tsipras: That will be our future policy? No, I am not interesting in that kind of responsible diplomacy, which tomorrow will be our foreign policy iskra.gr, the site of left platform had even republished from to ethnos an almost polemic article by G. Delastic an ANTARSYA journalist although with a modest neutrality disclaimer http://www.iskra.gr/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=9108:delastik-tsipras-perescatid=81:kivernisiItemid=198 Obviously by now, almost three years later, they all have changed their minds. Nobody in Syriza has raised that kind of issue, not even after the referendum during the internal struggle. Apparently they agree with Kamenos and the bourgeoisie that foreign policy is a very serious matter to be left in the hands of a non right-wing government. JA _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
