[Marxism-Thaxis] Opposite of what I say
Waistline2 at aol.com Waistline2 at aol.com mailto:marxism-thaxis%40lists.econ.utah.edu?Subject=%5BMarxism-Thaxis%5D%20 Opposite%20of%20what%20I%20sayIn-Reply-To= Thu Oct 20 18:41:07 MDT 2005 * Previous message: [Marxism-Thaxis] Masons connections to the working class ? http://lists.econ.utah.edu/pipermail/marxism-thaxis/2005-October/019212.htm l * Messages sorted by: [ date ] http://lists.econ.utah.edu/pipermail/marxism-thaxis/2005-October/date.html# 19213 [ thread ] http://lists.econ.utah.edu/pipermail/marxism-thaxis/2005-October/thread.htm l#19213 [ subject ] http://lists.econ.utah.edu/pipermail/marxism-thaxis/2005-October/subject.ht ml#19213 [ author ] http://lists.econ.utah.edu/pipermail/marxism-thaxis/2005-October/author.htm l#19213 CB: CB: I have said that computerization does qualitatively alter the industrial process. It makes it super-industrial,not post-industrial. It also does not automatically, or shall we say robotically, burst asunder the capitalist relations of production. It is a qualitative change in the technological regime that has not as yet caused a qualitative change in the property regime. You misrepresent what I say very often. That significantly undermines principled discussion and analysis with you. *** WL: I do not misrepresent what you write. There has been occasional mistakes by me over the past 4 or 5 years and when brought to my attention I correct them. I disagree and cannot understand your words from your conceptual framework. Example: It makes it super-industrial, not postindustrial. Well, the word super contradicts a qualitative transformation of a thing, as I understand it. Not as you understand it. CB: When something is OVERcome, the over is equivalent to super . Super means above or over. A qualitiative change is an overcoming and preservation, a sublation. It is entirely appropriate to label a qualitative change in the industrial , super-industrial, over-industrial. It purposeful misrepresentation of what I am saying to pretend that you think that when I say superindustrial that I am arguing that there is not a qualitative change in the industrial process, especially when I say that explicitly also, often, have layed a theory on the scattering of the points of production as defining the qualitative change in industry, layed that out in response to you about two or three times. All the while saying this is _why_ its' a qualitative change in industry. Told you why I don't think post is appropriate and super is appropriate the characterize this qualitative change in industry. Computerization, advanced robotics and digitalized processes qualitatively alter the industrial process. In my opinion this is indisputable and I know of no author that has written to the contrary other than CB. You state we are not passing to postindustrial society but super industrial society. I therefore state you deny the injection of a new qualitative configuration into the production process that sublates the electro mechanical process. CB: It's post-manufactural. Super-industrial. I think those are better uses of the semantic content or meaning of super and post , and using Marx's chapters on modern industry and machines as the starting point for defining basic factors. I have several times on Thaxis spelled out the elements in this change that make it a qualitative change in the tech regime, based on Marx's concepts in _Capital_ I Part IV: Production of Relative Surplus Value Ch. 12: The Concept of Relative Surplus-Value Ch. 13: Co-operation Ch. 14: Division of Labour and Manufacture Ch. 15: Machinery and Modern Industr ^ Super indeed. ^ CB: That's correct. Indeed. ^ You state: It also does not automatically, or shall we say robotically, burst asunder the capitalist relations of production. Automatically? Give me a break. ^ CB: Put it on automatic. ^ What is burst asunder is the electro mechanical process. Society is compelled to leap to a new political basis and politics means the superstructure or the superstructure relations or the arena where property rights are institutionalized. I do not misrepresent, I disagree. ^ CB: You disagree and misrepresent. Don't you mean the post-structure ? The electromechanical process is part of the forces of production. In the formulation in question , the forces of production socalled burst asunder the chains or fetters placed on the forces of production by the relations of production, impliedly leading to the expropriation of the expropriators, the proprietors, the private property owners. How , oh give me a break, does this happen just automatically, without class consciousness in humans, not in forces of production ? The development of the forces of production and organzation of production is to increase the division of labor, to become more and more socialized. In the penultimate chapter
[Marxism-Thaxis] Freemasonry's History of Racism
Freemasonry's History of Racism Draft 6/11/96, comments appreciated, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The book Christianity and American Freemasonry by William J. Whalen (Our Sunday Visitor:1987, pgs 23-25) discusses the racism of Freemasonry at some length, An organization dedicated to brotherhood, Masonry ironically remains a bulwark of racial segregation in the United States. By 1987, decades after most American institutions had accepted racial integration, only four of the forty-nine Grand Lodges could count even one black member in their jurisdictions. As the author of a recent scholarly study of black Freemasonry observes, The legitimation of social intermingling between black and white Masons has remained anathema in mainstream Freemasonry.' (Handbook of Secret Organizations by Whalen) A lodge within the British military forces initiated Prince Hall with fourteen free black men in 1775 after the men had been rebuffed in their attempt to join St. John's lodge in Boston. Eventually the black Masons received a charter from the Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of England for African Lodge No. 459 (1784). Regular Masonry has continued to deny recognition to Prince Hall lodges, and individual lodges have barred black candidates by the simple method of the black cube. Except for one curious exception, Alpha Lodge No. 1 16 in New Jersey, and a handful of blacks reported to be initiated by lodges in New York and Massachusetts, regular Freemasonry remains ninety-nine and forty-four hundredths percent white. A Prince Hall Mason may not visit a white lodge, nor a white Mason visit a Prince Hall lodge, without risking Masonic punishment. Albert Pike, no friend of blacks, admitted in 1875 Prince Hall lodge was as regular a lodge as any lodge created by competent authority. It had a perfect right to establish other lodges and make itself a Mother Lodge. When the Grand Lodge of New Jersey accepted several blacks into membership, other Grand Lodges decried the action and some severed fraternal relations with New Jersey. Mississippi was one. The Grand Master of that state wrote in 1908 Masonry never contemplated that her privileges should be extended to a race, totally, morally and intellectually incapacitated to discharge the obligations which they assume or have conferred upon them in a Masonic lodge. It is no answer that there are exceptions to this general character of the race. We legislate for the race and not for the exceptions. We hold that affiliation with negroes is contrary to the teachings of Masonry, and is dangerous to the interest of the Fraternity of Free and Accepted Masons. The Prince Hall lodges include a number of distinguished gentlemen on their rosters such as Supreme Court Justice Marshall, Mayor Tom Bradley of Los Angeles, Dr. Benjamin Hooks of the NAACP, Mayor Andrew Young of Atlanta, and Mayor Coleman Young of Detroit. Of course, none of these black Masons would be allowed to visit a white Masonic lodge. Whether Masonry influenced Southern mores or was simply influenced itself is hard to determine. Even during the civil-rights battles of the 1960s, knowledgeable blacks discovered that many of the leaders of the segregationist movement, such as Governors George Wallace of Alabama, Orval Faubus of Arkansas, and Ross Barnett of Mississippi, were also active Masons. ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
[Marxism-Thaxis] Masonic discussion
Why don't Caucasian masons and black masons associate. ... Question by Warrior Submitted on 7/10/2003 Related FAQ: Anti-Masonry FAQ (v. 2.8.11) Why don't Caucasian masons and black masons associate. Is the Roman Catholic Church founded on the rites of freemasonry. Is there a such thing as the dark pope? Answer by bugtussle most of that is over i live in Maine and a mason is a mason Answer by hashim Submitted on 1/13/2004 Whites have never changed, Its in there nature to hate and conquer. North Africa(Egypt), where a lot of masonic symbols are derived from, was robbed and destroyed buy whites,and these people would never give back to blacks that had held them as the Great Builders and Great Minds of the world, because that would mentally and spiritually set Black people free and white masons who know the truth of there history are not accepting that in no way shape or form. So when Prince Hall and 14 other African-American men where made masons white masons knew their time was becoming short Answer by abiff Submitted on 3/11/2004 i was told that there were no blacks present at time in which the brethern were building the temple of king solomen Answer by MERA WHY DO WE (BLACK) PEOPLE NEED TO ASSOCIATE OURSELVES WITH WHITE AMERICA? WHY DO WE NEED TO BE ACCEPTED BY THEM? WHO REALLY CARES WHAT THEY THINK OR FEEL ABOUT US? WE ARE CREATED BY GOD, HE IS THE ONLY TO ASSOCIATE YOURSELF WITH, AND HE IS THE ONLY ONE BESIDES YOURSELF THAT NEEDS TO ACCEPT US. IF YOU INTEND TO DO GOOD, JUST DO IT WITHOUT WHITE AMERICA'S APPROVAL,BECAUSE YOU WILL NEVER GET THEIR APPROVAL AND YOU DO NOT NEED IT. Answer by PrinceHall Submitted on 6/12/2004 Prince Hall Masons and White masons are beginning to let go of past racial anger and mutual recognition is happening all over the USA; the SOUTH being the slowest to change for obvious reasons. Freemasonry is sectioned off much like Churches on Sunday morning in America. As a Black Freemasonry I have (for the most part) encountered respectful White brethren; usually extending tokens of brotherly affection when deemed prudent. Freemasonry is only a reflection of the culture in which it operates. Answer by blackpix Submitted on 6/13/2004 Sorry, but this is a QUESTION: I am a professor who is searching the history of a famous Black Mason in the West, James Pressley Ball. A photographer, he founded - or helped found - more than one Black Masonic Lodge in Montana and Oregon, at least. he was also active in Cincinnati. Does anybody have any information about him, his son, James Pressley Ball, Jr., or his daughter-in-law, Laura Ball (of Hawaii and Seattle)? Many thanks for all you Masons out there. Answer by brothawhocares Submitted on 6/23/2004 If all do there true history, you would know that Solomon was black. So was King Arthur and Jesus (See Revalations 1:14-15). Also, not to offend anyone but, in my opinion a mason is not of GOD its under His shadow which is Satan. There shouldnt be any Black masons, because we as blacks are GODs chosen which is why we have no stake in America (The Devils kingdom). Our Kingdom is when GOD returns and destroy all of the wicked including all that are part of this Illuminati. Did you know that the most famous Mason, Albert Pike (1809-1891), was also the founder of the KKK? Did you also know that his statue is on the Federal Grounds of DC? Oh yes!!! Did you know that he was also a confederate General who had slaves and was arrested for treason but was pardoned by fellow mason President Andrew Johnson who met with him in the White House the very next day? Did you know that the White House was named after the founder of the evil Illuminati, Adam Wieshaupt (Pronounced wise how-t which means White chief)Did you know that in 1871 Andrew Pike wrote the Game plan for how to enforce the New World Order inwhich 3 World Wars had to take place? (2 World Wars have passed as he instructed and the 3rd one is on its way). He said in his letter in 1871 that WWIII had to involve the Moslems and the Zionist (Jews) annihilating each other to know end (sounds like Jeruselam today to me). Did you know that recently a man was shot in his head during a secret masonic ritual out in Long Island? Before you decide to become a follower (Black Mason) make sure that you know who you are actually following, and its not GOD Answer by PrinceHall I think it is unfortunate that some people think masonry is evil. It is no more evil than football teams/games, cable tv, lotto, casinos, police, judges, or modern universities. Evil is in the eye of the beholder. Masonry is NOT evil. Its a great fraternity that teaches lessons of charity, truth, justice, and love through its symbolism. I think its sad when non-masons make
[Marxism-Thaxis] list
http://www.masonicinfo.com/famous.htm Tell me thy company, and I'll tell thee what thou art. Miguel de Cervantes (1547-1616), Spanish writer. The creator of this web site is acutely aware of the aphorism that a person who has a hammer views the whole world as a nail. However, if one compares the number of famous and good people who were Masons or members of the Masonic 'family' with the number of famous and good people who were against Masonry, there is simply no contest. Anti-Masons who've achieved positions of greatness and recognition can be counted on a few fingers. Compare the list of 'famous Anti-Masons' we've provided on another page http://www.masonicinfo.com/famousanti.htm with the famous Freemasons you'll find on our lists. If Masonry was evil, occultic, conspiratorial or bad, why would these men - and the many millions more whose names are not recorded here - voluntarily choose to affiliate with it over the past three hundred years? Find a Grave: Many Masons and members of the Masonic 'family' proudly display their affiliation with the fraternity at their final resting place. If you see this image gravestone.gif (67 bytes) http://www.masonicinfo.com/images/gravestone.gif , you can click on the Mason's name and be transported to the Find A Grave http://www.findagrave.com/ web site to see an actual picture of their grave located on the web. (There may be more than just those we've got noted here; gravestone pictures at that web site are being updated constantly.) You might also find our page about Masonic gravestones http://www.masonicinfo.com/gravestones.htm of interest Due to popular request, we now offer a printable version http://www.masonicinfo.com/images/Masonicinfo_FamousFreemasons.pdf of this information (which includes the 'Black Sheep' and 'Infamous' pages) -- click here http://www.masonicinfo.com/images/Masonicinfo_FamousFreemasons.pdf . You'll need the free Adobe Reader http://www.adobe.com/ in order to be able to view/print this PDF file. Our lists are not the 'standard' ones seen on other Masonic websites. They are greatly augmented by additional material on the lives of these distinguished persons as well as by the listing of many Masons whose membership has been verified through news stories, personal knowledge, etc. Many of these names have been provided by others and we've set up a special page here http://www.masonicinfo.com/contributors.htm to say thanks for their contributions. We also note an exceptionally well-designed site which shows many of the individual Masons we've named in 'categories'. Congratulations to New Jersey Masons website http://www.njmasons.com/ for their excellent presentation. Due to the HUGE size of this page and the frequency of visitors to it, we've finally been forced to divide it into sections. You can find our list divided alphabetically A-L here http://www.masonicinfo.com/famous1.htm and M-Z here http://www.masonicinfo.com/famous2.htm . Masonic Webmasters: If linking to this portion of our site, please be sure to link to this page and not the individual 'child' pages of this section as they may be subsequently changed with even further division as time passes with more names being added. This page will provide the continuity to those other pages. Listings of those who are (or were during their lifetime) Masons serves to remind us of the many notables who - of their own free will - chose to associate with this noble institution. Those who preach anti-Masonic hate must ultimately wonder how it is that so many have been (supposedly) deceived - while they have found the 'truth' And while some will argue that these men have been deceived; others contend they are/were part of a New World Order conspiracy. What is not arguable is that they represent all walks of life and that they were - in their respective ways - LEADERS! Throughout the 300 years of Freemasonry in its current form, there have been a precious few who have not behaved in a way that reflects positively upon the organization. We talk about them on this page http://www.masonicinfo.com/blksheep.htm . Important Note: This listing is not all-inclusive nor is it an 'official' list of any sort. Information is derived from sources believed to be accurate. Any errors are solely the fault of the compiler! Names for this site have come from many sources. Please take a moment to see the list of contributors here http://www.masonicinfo.com/contributors.htm . Please note, though, that we do not have unlimited space nor do we have unlimited time. We'd love to keep adding to this section but have found far too many submissions sent as: I think X is a Brother. or A fellow mentioned in Lodge the other night that X is a Mason.. That simply isn't sufficient for our purposes. Accordingly, we're now curtailing efforts on these pages considerably and returning our focus to anti-Masonry. We believe that the many Masons shown clearly acknowledge that
[Marxism-Thaxis] Labor in the Era of Capitalist Globalization
Labor in the Era of Capitalist Globalization By Scott Marshall http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/author/view/23 http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/author/view/23 Up until the early 1990s the Socialist camp including the Soviet Union acted somewhat as a brake on imperialism and on capitalist globalization. In addition to checking military domination and adventures, as trading partners the socialist block also provided the means for many developing countries to resist and/or minimize unfair trade and the penetration of foreign capital. The collapse of socialism in Russia and Eastern European countries released a tremendous capital scramble and global competition for markets. Under a banner of capitalist triumph, deregulation, privatization and unfair, predatory trade agreements swept much of the planet. To be sure, the technological and communication revolutions that feed and accelerate globalization were already well developed by the 1990s. Capitalist globalization with its free flow of capital around the world began much earlier, but it took on new aggressiveness and clearly accelerated with the collapse of the Socialist block. And without the socialist system acting as a brake, US capital became the undisputed top dog protected and developed by the worlds single remaining military super power. Lenin made it clear in his Imperialism: the Highest Stage of Capitalism, that imperialism is not a policy. It is a stage of capitalist development, an objective process. The same is true of capitalist globalization. It is not a policy of this or that government. It is an objective process of transnational capitalist development. This distinction is important to understanding the class struggle today. While government policy can have impact on how capitalist globalization proceeds, as long as capitalism is the dominant economic system, its globalization will continue. The process of capitalist globalization is important context for understanding the labor movement in the US today. How did we get here? Why such a decline in union membership in the last 35 years? Why such a steep decline in industrial union membership with plant closings etc? Why have so-called free trade agreements like NAFTA become such a big deal for labor? What is behind all these sharp debates within the labor movement? The election of Ronald Reagan in 1980 signaled a sharpening corporate and government attack on labor. It is no coincidence that the early 1980s also marked the acceleration of plant closings and downsizing in the manufacturing sector and greater investment by US based transnational corporations overseas. This period also featured increased outsourcing of jobs and work overseas. During the 80s and 90s accelerated mergers and created vast new manufacturing and financial empires. Take, for example, the steel industry. Up until the 1980s steel was, in most countries, a nationally owned industry, whether private or public, with very little penetration of foreign capital. Today, the worlds top three steel companies are based in India, Luxemburg and Japan. Each has vast holdings around the world, including some in the US. US Steel also now owns plants in other countries, including in some formerly socialist countries in Eastern Europe. The growth and concentration of transnational capital has fueled far right political trends in many of the industrialized countries, including the US. In the early years the strongest trend in the US labor movement was to channel anti-capitalist globalization sentiment into right-wing and jingoistic directions. Some fell for arguments that pitted US workers against workers in other countries and against immigrant workers. Japan bashing and Buy America campaigns mobilized xenophobic attitudes. Global capitalist competitiveness was packaged as worker-against-worker competition requiring wage and benefit sacrifices to beat the competition. The early 80s saw big losses for workers in the form of concessions in wages and benefits. It also was a time when unions lost ground in coordinated bargaining with common contract expiration dates, and when unions lost industry wide master agreements that had set higher standards for many manufacturing sectors of the economy. At the same time, left-center coalitions and rank-and-file movements in labor challenged these setbacks and put forward class struggle alternatives that rejected concessions and give backs. They stressed global labor solidarity and targeted the transnational corporations. By the late 1980s, many of the leaders of the rank and file movements of the 70s and early 80s were moving into leadership positions in local, state and national unions. This process culminated in 1995 with the election of the Sweeney, Chavez-Thompson, Trumka slate to the leadership of the AFL-CIO. Still, the objective process of capitalist globalization continued to develop. With the
[Marxism-Thaxis] Prince Hall
Prince Hall clergyman, abolitionist Born: 1748 Birthplace: Barbados Hall established the African Lodge of the Honorable Society of Free and Accepted Masons of Boston in 1775. It was the first lodge of black Freemasons in the world. The lodge received a permanent charter from the Grand Lodge of England in 1784. The secret fraternity, which still exists, promoted brotherly love and social, political, and economic improvement for its members. Hall arrived in Boston in 1765 and was a slave for William Hall. He was freed in 1770, shortly after the Boston Massacre, and worked at a variety of jobs, including as a leather worker for the Boston Regiment of Artillery. He was one of a few black men who fought at the Battle of Bunker Hill. Hall became a minister in the African Methodist Episcopal Church and advocated black rights and the abolition of slavery. He opened a school for black children in his home. Died: 1807 ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Freemasonry's History of Racism
The Prince Hall lodges include a number of distinguished gentlemen on their rosters such as Supreme Court Justice Marshall, Mayor Tom Bradley of Los Angeles, Dr. Benjamin Hooks of the NAACP, Mayor Andrew Young of Atlanta, and Mayor Coleman Young of Detroit. Of course, none of these black Masons would be allowed to visit a white Masonic lodge. Whether Masonry influenced Southern mores or was simply influenced itself is hard to determine. Even during the civil-rights battles of the 1960s, knowledgeable blacks discovered that many of the leaders of the segregationist movement, such as Governors George Wallace of Alabama, Orval Faubus of Arkansas, and Ross Barnett of Mississippi, were also active Masons. Comment I do not possess the intellectual capability to craft a book on the role of African Americans in the Masonic Movement. Or the desire or patients. The quoted comment above is instructive. Those recruited into the Prince Albert sector of the Mason - as best as I could tell in Detroit, tend to be of the middle strata (class) and that strata called the labor lieutenants of capital, and this for me includes organizations like the NAACP, PUSH as well as the upper strata of the trade union movement. Or certain individuals with leadership skills. Another small layer of people are retired auto workers who simply have the time and energy to engage any kind of civic activity. These retired autoworkers are in history and currently the upper layer of our working class. Lenin said we communist are just a drop in the bucket. I have been approached to join the Masons - Prince Hall of course, many times over the past 35 years, and mostly by union officials, number men, entertainers and generally folk of the entrepreneur mode - petty capitalist type. The Masons have working class members but so do the Democrats and Republicans. My work has carried me into various realms, some of which many comrades simply do not volunteer for or care to carry out their activity in. Like the Church and the old Theology in Americas Movement - Liberation Theology. I am a communist and do Marx - flat out, but I work where ever the action is. I have not hid my politics, including siding with the Stalin polarity within the world communist movement. Hey . . . don't hate! :-) I was actually living in Atlanta Georgia when Andrew Young was elected Mayor and he was a despicable man in the political sense, and vastly different from a Coleman Young Jr. Yet, certain class factors unite a Coleman Young Jr. and an Andy Young and even a Harold Washington. I have experienced some Mason initiation, because I wanted to know directly and my recruiters understood I was a communist worker and Marxist. My comments on the Masons is basically limited to that aspect of their history before the rise of speculative Masonry. The speculative Masons - basically all of them today, do not know jack about building structures. Speculative Masonry carries the same connotation as speculative capital - as a concept of being. Mason structures - real building, are works of art and contain mathematical equations. Mason were master builders passing down a real trade from one generation to the next. That is why I mentioned the Masonic Temple in Detroit and why one should visit it and examine its structure and art symbols. Comrade CB evidently took my comments to mean that one something unique about this structure from those in other cities. What I meant was go look at it. Go inside and examine its details . . . I have years before being invited into the Masons. In a sense the Masons were the very first form of organizations of what today is trade unions. Very skilled men of structure. Here is something to think about in terms of the future of trade unions and the industrial union movement in particular. Masonry as an ideological movement is a lot different and a bonifde historian one should seek out. The Hiram Key is a must read. Got the book when it was published. Waistline ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
[Marxism-Thaxis] Frederick Choate on L.I. Akselrod and Abram Deborin
Frederick Choate is in the process of assembling websites on L.I. Akselrod and Abram Deborin who were two leading figures in the Soviet philosophical debates of the 1920s and early 1930s. Akselrod was a leading spokesperson for the Mechanists' tendency in Soviet philosophy, whereas Deborin was the leading spokesperson for the Dialecticians. Both Akselrod and Deborin had been proteges of Georgi Plekhanov, the father of Russian Marxism. Liubov Isaakovna Akselrod http://sovlit.org/lia/index.html Abram Moiseevich Deborin http://www.sovlit.org/amd/index.html I summarized the debate between the Mechanists and the Dialecticians at: http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/marxism/2002w39/msg00017.htm ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
