Re: [meteorite-list] Dreaming meteorites
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Re: [meteorite-list] Hermes Found 66 Years Later - Long-Lost Object Is A Bright Binary
Dear List, Hermes is not the only one on its way. We will soon find out if Orion's shield and his sword can protect us. Best from Japan, Yamaguchi dirk ross Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
Re: [meteorite-list] Collecting Habits
Dear List Members, What a great subject, been very busy on the new web-site but taking a break to enjoy this subject. I started out collecting like a few others who posted to this string. I used to purchase every type I could get my hands on without any real direction. My brother Greg and I are still trying to merge our collections into a single entity "The Hupe Collection" but this has been a several year project that is about 90% complete. We have several focuses. Our primary goal is to collectmeteorites that have scientific importance. When we deposit a type specimen to an authorized depository we cut a second type specimen for our collection. With the secondary type specimens we havehigh-quality thin-sections made that are compatible with a microprobe. Thispart of our collection serves as a library for pairing purposes.Over half of our thin-sections are out on loan for study at any given time. Another focus is planetary material, we love it. The morethat are found in the desert the better. We will never tirefrom new material being brought about. Something can be learned from each and everyspecimen discovered. Each new specimen we study is like a mission. The adventure comes from finding something that has not been discovered before. This goes for any typeof meteorite not just planetary. The thirdbut not last is collecting by type.Our goal is to acquire every type of meteorite there is regardless of where it came from. We do not care where a meteorite landed just as long as it was legally obtained. A major portion of our collection will be put on public display at the University of Washington in a couple of years when they finish remodeling Johnson Hall. They are havingcustom displays integrated into the remodel to accommodatethe meteorites in a secure environment. Wishing Everybody Happy Collecting, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection, IMCA 2185
RE: [meteorite-list] RI Christmas Lectures
Robert, That's weird! I am sure I sent that last message to the list as 'plain text'! ? waas going on? Is there anything to do with the list mail server that turns them into HTML somehow? (I'll also investigate my end since I am part of a larger network...) This Message is defiantly set to Plain text so we shall see how it ends up in the archives... Mark F. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Beginner Collection-suggestions
Vishnu, My initial advice for starting a collection is don't' - it's really addictive (only kidding :) If I were starting my collection again from scratch, I would save my money up and buy a very large fresh individual such as Bensour or Gao as a centre piece, then a slice of etched Iron such as Gibeon is essential, and a couple of cheap tektites, and you have a start. Then it's just a case of adding to it when things come up you like eucrites are nice, there is the obligatory piece of Mars and Moon and the rest will follow once you are 'hooked'. To me collecting one of everything is all very well, but you end up with meteorites you don't like much but 'have to have to complete the collection'. My advice is just to buy what interests you as funds permit. Welcome to the list! Mark Ford __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] 3-D Meteorite Photos at NHM
Elton, That is superb!, I have to say, that I think the actual meteorite gallery in the British natural history museum doesn't show off them to their true potential (understatement!) - they are stuck behind cardboard recesses in the dark and are dificult to see! But this way of showing them on the net in 3D is superb, they should do the whole collection like this and publish it!! http://www.nhm.ac.uk/museum/vr/vrmeteorite5.html Mark Ford -Original Message- From: E.J [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 October 2003 06:07 To: meteorite list Subject: [meteorite-list] 3-D Meteorite Photos at NHM Hello List, I just ran across this site at the Natural History Museum in London if you have a java capable browser you can rotate the image. One of the virtual wonders pages quasi-three dimentional views of six meteorites . Here is Nakhla!http://www.nhm.ac.uk/museum/vr/vrmeteorite5.html Regards, Elton __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 1000
Greetings List, Anyone with a picture(s) of NWA 1000 or knows where to see one, please let me know. Thanks very much. Mark Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
[meteorite-list] Virtual pics at NHM:Christmas lectures:Animal meteorites:Welcome Vishnu
Greetings list members What a great link that was Elton.Thanks for posting it.Just as Parnalee is being discussed up pops a 3D series of images of a wonderful chunk of it.I love it.As Mark Ford alluded to,the actual display in the NHM leaves a lot to be desired,with only a tiny portion of their actual collection on public display.Still worth a visit though by all means. Looking forward to Dr. Gradys' christmas lectures,thanks for the early note on that Rob. Nice Imilac rabbit Gregory.I must recount how I recently gave my cousin a piece of Sikhote-Alin and a small piece of Canyon Diablo.He used a small neodymium magnet that I had given him a while ago and stuck the two meteorites together to form an excellent duck.I'll get a pic of this at some point,it's quite good really.Working on somewhere to display some pics also as I plan on taking a few in Munich next week. And lastly,I'd like to add my voice to the welcome for Vishnu.Good luck with your studies and your forthcoming collection.Happy dreaming!! __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] I witnessed the Kecksburg bolide
I witnessed the Kecksburg Bolide when I was a kid growing up in Ohio. It was the first real bolide I ever witnessed, and those that I have seen after that have looked pretty similar. It was known as the Tri-State Meteorite the day after the event, and was seen in actually 4 states (OH,PA,IND and Western NY) and parts of Canada. This is a report I published a long time ago before there was any real web, it was on AOL, and then got picked up on web sites after that. I suppose a re-entry vehicle that had a parachute failure could actually look like this, but I doubt it was anything more than a giant meteorite. The strange part of this is that it would have to have been a very high altitude explosion, to have a pieces fall in different states. --- from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dec. 9, 1965 As a kid, I was pumping gas into a car at a SOHIO gas station, on Clifton Blvd, Rocky River Ohio. It was in the afternoon, about 4 or 5PM. All of a sudden everything got bright, like a flashbulb went off. I remember looking at the bumper of the car that I was pumping the gas into, and I could see the reflection of this blinding bright light. As i turned to look up, it had just passed and there was another flash, and I could see that whatever it was had split into 2 or 3 pieces. The smoke trail in the sky looked like a pitch-fork, like a handle of luminecent smoke, then 3 prongs that pointed toward the south. The next day, i remember reading the Cleveland Plain Dealer article about the Tri-State Meteor observed by hundreds of people. I never knew about the connection with the Kecksburg incident until reading about it on the web! Neat, eh? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Francis Graham Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 9:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Sci Fi Channel Sues Air Force Dear List, Let me begin by stating: I do not, repeat, do not think that UFOs are piloted alien spaceships and I do not think there is much good evidence for that opinion. In any case, science demands a type specimen for a new life form and ufology has yet to deliver. Having said that, have you guys noticed that sputnik fragments were collected in the late 1950's and early 1960's on the ground, and after Skylab in 1979, but there are very few fragments (if any) from in-between years? This is because, I tentatively assert (which is a way of saying this is wild speculation), the US government was collecting pieces of Soviet spacecraft secretly, in violation of the Outer Space Treaty the US signed(which requires return) for the purpose of study of Soviet technology. Kecksburg is an example. The thing as sketched looks like some sort of re-entry vehicle. The alien writing might well have been Russian characters. Jim Oberg was the first to advance this hypothesis regarding Kecksburg. Something was loaded on that flatbed and whisked away, and it likely was a Soviet satellite. Unless you believe the official line that it was a meteorite. Any of you got any Kecksburg for sale? Francis Graham __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Yamaguchi Symposium on Impact Events in Asia, Pacific Rim homepage coming soon
Dear List, From November 21-25 there will be a symposium on impact events held in Japan at Yamaguchi University. Scientific papers, abstracts and posters will be acceptedfrom anyone that wishes to participate. Please contact me if you are interested so that you may receive all information concerning the symposium. As soon as the homepage address is known by me I will send it to the list. Participants may attend or they may forward their materials for presentation. The symposium will also include field trips to two Japanese impact sites and one meteorite shower site. If your calendar is not full please come. Thank you for your time to read this message. If you wish, please forward this announcement to others that may be interested. Sincerely, Dirk Ross...Yamaguchi University, Department of Earth Sciences and Geology, Researcher Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
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[meteorite-list] Upper Volta Meteorite was Sci Fi Channel Sues Air Force
Francis Graham wrote: ...text deleted... Something was loaded on that flatbed and whisked away, and it likely was a Soviet satellite. Unless you believe the official line that it was a meteorite. Any of you got any Kecksburg for sale? While looking at some Klerksburg stuff, I noted a reference to an actual meteorite on a link at: http://www.freedomofinfo.org/foi/UpdateKecksburgInvestigation.pdf Looking through Exhibit 3 at http://www.freedomofinfo.org/foi/exhibit3doc.pdf I found that the NASA Fragology Files among the reports of space objects recovery listed: F12 Meteorite, Upper Volta Has this meteorite fall been officially recorded by anyone? Has the classification of this meteorite been released? The sad fact about all of this is the money that NASA and the Air Force is spending on people filing innumerable Freedom of Information Act requests looking for UFOS and will spend dealing with the Sci Fi Channel suit. I do like the term fragology. Yours, Paul Baton Rouge, LA __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I witnessed the Kecksburg bolide
I think that was still in the era of photographic espionage satellites (those that ejected film cannisters for reentry and subsequent recovery). If eyewitness accounts have any credibility at all, the description of one of the objects recovered by military personnel at the impact site (a large, silvery, acorn-shaped object) almost perfectly describes a ballute (an inflatable deceleration device developed for the stabilization of smaller reentry vehicles). If the stories of the rather aggressive military response to this event are true, I would bet what you saw was a returning film cannister from a spy satellite (ours or theirs) that missed its intended target (ocean or steppes). Either way, our people wanted it. Mark I witnessed the Kecksburg Bolide when I was a kid growing up in Ohio. It was the first real bolide I ever witnessed, and those that I have seen after that have looked pretty similar. It was known as the Tri-State Meteorite the day after the event, and was seen in actually 4 states (OH,PA,IND and Western NY) and parts of Canada. This is a report I published a long time ago before there was any real web, it was on AOL, and then got picked up on web sites after that. I suppose a re-entry vehicle that had a parachute failure could actually look like this, but I doubt it was anything more than a giant meteorite. The strange part of this is that it would have to have been a very high altitude explosion, to have a pieces fall in different states. --- from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dec. 9, 1965 As a kid, I was pumping gas into a car at a SOHIO gas station, on Clifton Blvd, Rocky River Ohio. It was in the afternoon, about 4 or 5PM. All of a sudden everything got bright, like a flashbulb went off. I remember looking at the bumper of the car that I was pumping the gas into, and I could see the reflection of this blinding bright light. As i turned to look up, it had just passed and there was another flash, and I could see that whatever it was had split into 2 or 3 pieces. The smoke trail in the sky looked like a pitch-fork, like a handle of luminecent smoke, then 3 prongs that pointed toward the south. The next day, i remember reading the Cleveland Plain Dealer article about the Tri-State Meteor observed by hundreds of people. I never knew about the connection with the Kecksburg incident until reading about it on the web! Neat, eh? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Francis Graham Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 9:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Sci Fi Channel Sues Air Force Dear List, Let me begin by stating: I do not, repeat, do not think that UFOs are piloted alien spaceships and I do not think there is much good evidence for that opinion. In any case, science demands a type specimen for a new life form and ufology has yet to deliver. Having said that, have you guys noticed that sputnik fragments were collected in the late 1950's and early 1960's on the ground, and after Skylab in 1979, but there are very few fragments (if any) from in-between years? This is because, I tentatively assert (which is a way of saying this is wild speculation), the US government was collecting pieces of Soviet spacecraft secretly, in violation of the Outer Space Treaty the US signed(which requires return) for the purpose of study of Soviet technology. Kecksburg is an example. The thing as sketched looks like some sort of re-entry vehicle. The alien writing might well have been Russian characters. Jim Oberg was the first to advance this hypothesis regarding Kecksburg. Something was loaded on that flatbed and whisked away, and it likely was a Soviet satellite. Unless you believe the official line that it was a meteorite. Any of you got any Kecksburg for sale? Francis Graham __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- CoreComm Webmail. http://home.core.com -- CoreComm Webmail. http://home.core.com I think that was still in the era of photographic espionage satellites (those that ejected film cannisters for reentry and subsequent recovery). If eyewitness accounts have any credibility at all, the description of one of the objects recovered by military personnel at the impact site (a large, silvery, acorn-shaped object) almost perfectly describes a ballute (an inflatable deceleration device developed for the stabilization of smaller reentry vehicles). If the stories of
[meteorite-list] Re: Collecting Habits two new planetary links
Hello Fellow Collectors, First, I'd like to thank Walter, Elton, Adam, and all the others who contributed to this fascinating thread! Most of you know my bad habits since I outed myself as a self-confessed lunatic, and martian maniac, before. I just updated my list of lunar meteorites, and added a bunch of high-resolution pictures of my collection samples. Just scroll down the list of lunaites until you reach the non-Antarctic section, and click on the respective specimen weights of the NCC reference samples to load up the pictures. Enjoy! http://www.timewarp.de/lunar/lunar.htm I also just completed a similar listing for my martian samples, and my new Nikon Coolpix 4500 did a rather good job in shooting neat macros. Have a look at: http://www.timewarp.de/martian/snc.htm To quote Rob Elliott: A picture paints a thousand words ... a sample paints a thousand pictures. Thanks to all of you who helped making this dream come true! All the best, Norbert __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Question about Fulgurite
Hi list, I have a question about Fulgurites: I could purchase a piece that was dug out in the late 30s of the last century, in perfect condition. Length is 9cm, the INNER diameter on the upper end is 2.5cm. How much, in your opinion, would this one be worth? Kind regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot.com Managing Director RPGDot Network image001.gif
[meteorite-list] Question about Fulgurite
Hi list, I have a question about Fulgurites: I could purchase a piece that was dug out in the late 30s of the last century, in perfect condition. Length is 9cm, the INNER diameter on the upper end is 2.5cm. How much, in your opinion, would this one be worth? Kind regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems IMCA #2121
[meteorite-list] AW: NWA 1000
Hi Mark, and List, I'm not just focussed on planetaries, but also on other achondrites, and especially the strange and beautiful ones. NWA 1000 certainly qualifies in both categories, since it's a really unusul, and highly shocked eucrite resembling a shergottite more than any other eucrite I know. Have a look at my NWA 1000, 3.02 gram thin slice: http://www.timewarp.de/new/NWA1000-3.02g.JPG The dimensions of this sample are about 32x24x1mm. If you want to view the reverse side of the slab, just follow this hyperlink: http://www.timewarp.de/new/NWA1000-3.02r.JPG Hope this helps. It's not the main mass, but a neat sample ;-) Best, Norbert -Original message- Greetings List, Anyone with a picture(s) of NWA 1000 or knows where to see one, please let me know. Thanks very much. Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Kiddy
Anyone want to deal with these freaks? They have a large sandstone piece worth tens of millions of pounds! Rob? Dear Mr. Farmer, The matter is that experts, who examinated Kiddy, are of the opinion that the condition of Kiddys surface its outward appearance already are the factors, confirmed that it is the unique meteorite. We send you some more photos, with pleasure send a sample after we understand that you have real possibilities to sell it. Unfortunately according to our practice some dealers simply want to fill up their collection . Pls, send us your program to deal with us ( including sending of sample). Keep in mind that all actions are to be strictly confidential. Best regards, Daniel Reed. E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] E-nail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/10/03 Beautiful Kiddy! _ Sign up for your very own email address from UKmail.com To-day !! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Kiddy
In a message dated 22/10/03 16:02:56 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone want to deal with these freaks? They have a large sandstone piece worth tens of millions of pounds! Rob? They sent me their "meteorite Kiddy" pictures a couple of weeks ago, so I think I'll pass. Weird emails claiming "I've found a meteorite!!" seem to have increased recently. Some of them are pretty funny and obviously scams or spoofs..here's a few of my favourites from recent weeks. The only editing I've done is to remove names, email addresses, etc: "hi,i got the reply about the picture .i tried photographing it and it came out blank. the stone is 6 kg and 6 months old since it was discovered. the characteristics are:very highly radioactive,when put near a car,the car would not start.emits very bright light.when place on soil,it digs itself in.it moves slowly from sunlight into a shade.if touch with bear hands it sends electric shocks." "Got a meteor fpor sale Urgent Ron is the Owner" "Important Factors : This Meteor has been continiously evapurating it's hard cosmic dust materials. e.g. :- 1. When this Meteor was found 50 yrs back, it's weight was almost approximately 250 gms . However, From that onwards, this meteor has been continously loosing it's weight as well as continiously reducing it's size and shape . Now Today, it's weight remains only 60 gms ." "REIMBOLD METEORITE 1047 set in a s s pendant" Sadly, I do have many more ;-) Cheers, Rob. Rob Elliott www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[meteorite-list] Kecksburg bolide
Following Francis Graham's mail and Marks Langenfeld's addition, I made a 'query for decay date' on the NASA OIG server for a few days around December 9th, 1965. And lo behold, there is a decay of a Soviet satellite listed for December 9th 1965: Cosmos 96 (1965-094a, #01742). It was launched two weeks earlier. I could not retrieve any detailed orbital data, but with a listed inclination of 51 degrees this satellite could indeed pass over the US, although without detailed orbit data I cannot say it must have done so at the time of the Kecksburg bolide. I then hit the internet in search for info on Cosmos 96, and discovered that the link with Kecksburg indeed was made earlier. Interestingly, the spacecraft in question appears to have been a Venera lander (a mission to Venus) that failed to leave parking orbit. More info, including (highly critical) comments if this was the source of the Kecksburg bolide, can be found at: http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/database/MasterCatalog?sc=1965-094A Even if the Kecksburg bolide was not due to Cosmos 96 re-entering atmosphere, it could be of course that the military *thought* this was possibly Cosmos 96 re-entering and hence checked it out. - Marco This is because, I tentatively assert (which is a way of saying this is wild speculation), the US government was collecting pieces of Soviet spacecraft secretly, in violation of the Outer Space Treaty the US signed(which requires return) for the purpose of study of Soviet technology. Kecksburg is an example. The thing as sketched looks like some sort of re-entry vehicle. The alien writing might well have been Russian characters. Jim Oberg was the first to advance this hypothesis regarding Kecksburg. -- Marco Langbroek [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? William Shakespeare The Tempest act I scene 2 -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Kiddy
I would love to see a web page for all these!! I could add many more too, but usually then end up in my trash folder. Hilarious. Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 22/10/03 16:02:56 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone want to deal with these freaks? They have a large sandstone piece worth tens of millions of pounds! Rob? They sent me their meteorite Kiddy pictures a couple of weeks ago, so I think I'll pass. Weird emails claiming I've found a meteorite!! seem to have increased recently. Some of them are pretty funny and obviously scams or spoofs..here's a few of my favourites from recent weeks. The only editing I've done is to remove names, email addresses, etc: hi,i got the reply about the picture .i tried photographing it and it came out blank. the stone is 6 kg and 6 months old since it was discovered. the characteristics are:very highly radioactive,when put near a car,the car would not start.emits very bright light.when place on soil,it digs itself in.it moves slowly from sunlight into a shade.if touch with bear hands it sends electric shocks. Got a meteor fpor sale Urgent Ron is the Owner Important Factors : This Meteor has been continiously evapurating it's hard cosmic dust materials. e.g. :- 1. When this Meteor was found 50 yrs back, it's weight was almost approximately 250 gms . However, From that onwards, this meteor has been continously loosing it's weight as well as continiously reducing it's size and shape . Now Today, it's weight remains only 60 gms . REIMBOLD METEORITE 1047 set in a s s pendant Sadly, I do have many more ;-) Cheers, Rob. Rob Elliott www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cosmos 96/Kecksburg
Interestingly, the spacecraft in question appears to have been a Venera lander (a mission to Venus) that failed to leave parking orbit. More info, including (highly critical) comments if this was the source of the Kecksburg bolide, can be found at: S... it now appears possible the USA has a Venera lander. I wonder where all the stuff (including the Upper Volta meteorite mentioned in the earlier NASA memo) is? For that matter, I wonder where Clarence Caldwell's airplanes are? Clarence Caldwell was a aviation experimenter that made airplanes with round wings in the 1930's. Nothing dramatic, I am afraid, just standard piper-cub like airplanes with round wings and propellers. No strange powers. Nonetheless, when the UFO controversy broke out, in the late 1940's, the USAF sent a black bag team and got his airplanes out of a tobacco curing shed he left them in years before. This was mistakenly publicized by the local police chief in local papers near Glen Burnie, MD. The airplanes were carted off to--where? What became of them? They would be good for a local aviation history museum. But that is off topic, except by comparison to the Kecksburg meteorite case, so I go no further. Francis Graham __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cosmos 96/Kecksburg-Venus Question
A little off the subject but was up early thinking about this. The Russians did eventually land on Venus and got atmospheric isotope %. Been reading about NWA011 age ~2GY? O isotopes seem wrong but the age would be about right. Why probably ot that one,Venus still has activce volcanos thus basaltic material. Theorectically how much more difficult would it be for a Venusian to find it's way to earth? What would we expect in a Venunsian basaltmeteorite or why haven't any been identified? Howard WuFrancis Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interestingly, thespacecraft in question appears to have been a Venera lander (a mission toVenus) that failed to leave parking orbit. More info, including (highlycritical) comments if this was the source of the Kecksburg bolide, can befound at:S... it now appears possible the USA has aVenera lander. I wonder where all the stuff (includingthe Upper Volta meteorite mentioned in the earlierNASA memo) is?For that matter, I wonder where Clarence Caldwell'sairplanes are?Clarence Caldwell was a aviation experimenter thatmade airplanes with round wings in the 1930's. Nothingdramatic, I am afraid, just standard piper-cub likeairplanes with round wings and propellers. No strangepowers.Nonetheless, when the UFO controversy broke out, inthe late 1940's, the USAF sent a black bag team andgot his airplanes out of a tobacco curing shed he leftthem in years before. This was mistakenly publicizedby the local police chief in local papers near GlenBurnie, MD.The airplanes were carted off to--where? Whatbecame of them? They would be good for a localaviation history museum. But that is off topic, exceptby comparison to the Kecksburg "meteorite" case, so Igo no further.Francis Graham__Do you Yahoo!?The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product searchhttp://shopping.yahoo.com__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listWant to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger
RE: [meteorite-list] Cosmos 96/Kecksburg-Venus Question
I thought about the chances for meteorites from Venus or even Mercury a couple of days ago, too. My conclusion (which isnt a scientific one, just an educated guess): Venusian atmosphere is so dense that it will slow down an impacting body considerably (reducing his energy) and slow down ejecta as well (making it impossible to reach escape velocity). With Mercury, I guess the sun will be the big catcher that will collect all ejected material. But once again, I am not a scientist J Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Wu Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 7:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cosmos 96/Kecksburg-Venus Question A little off the subject but was up early thinking about this. The Russians did eventually land on Venus and got atmospheric isotope %. Been reading about NWA011 age ~2GY? O isotopes seem wrong but the age would be about right. Why probably ot that one,Venus still has activce volcanos thus basaltic material. Theorectically how much more difficult would it be for a Venusian to find it's way to earth? What would we expect in a Venunsian basaltmeteorite or why haven't any been identified? Howard Wu Francis Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interestingly, the spacecraft in question appears to have been a Venera lander (a mission to Venus) that failed to leave parking orbit. More info, including (highly critical) comments if this was the source of the Kecksburg bolide, can be found at: S... it now appears possible the USA has a Venera lander. I wonder where all the stuff (including the Upper Volta meteorite mentioned in the earlier NASA memo) is? For that matter, I wonder where Clarence Caldwell's airplanes are? Clarence Caldwell was a aviation experimenter that made airplanes with round wings in the 1930's. Nothing dramatic, I am afraid, just standard piper-cub like airplanes with round wings and propellers. No strange powers. Nonetheless, when the UFO controversy broke out, in the late 1940's, the USAF sent a ! black bag team and got his airplanes out of a tobacco curing shed he left them in years before. This was mistakenly publicized by the local police chief in local papers near Glen Burnie, MD. The airplanes were carted off to--where? What became of them? They would be good for a local aviation history museum. But that is off topic, except by comparison to the Kecksburg meteorite case, so I go no further. Francis Graham __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Want to chat instantly with your online friends?Get the FREE Yaho! o! Messenger
Re: [meteorite-list] Cosmos 96/Kecksburg-Venus Question
Theorectically how much more difficult would it be for a Venusian to find it's way to earth? Venus' thick atmosphere makes it extremely more difficult. What would we expect in a Venunsian basalt meteorite or why haven't any been identified? The problem with NWA011 is there is so much uncertainty, that they can't even decide which parent body it may have come from (Mercury, Venus, or the most probable case, an asteroid). Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Now: Is this really a fulgurite (Picture link)
Greetings, After having had mail contact with some list members on the question of the fulgurite (and having received some pictures), I am not so sure that what there is is really a flugurite. It looks so different. Please have a look at this picture: http://www.rendelius.com/fulgu.jpg and tell me what you think. What I can tell you to help you with your expertise: If you touch this object, it feels sandy for sure, and it leaves tiny grains of sand (very few) on your fingers. The color on the photo is very accurate. Again: size of the object is: 9cm in length, 2.5cm inner diameter. I am really curious about your opinions. Best regards, Bernhard Rems IMCA #2121
Re: [meteorite-list] Now: Is this really a fulgurite (Picture link)
That is not a Fulgerite, more like a concretion. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:56 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Now: Is this really a fulgurite (Picture link) Greetings, After having had mail contact with some list members on the question of the fulgurite (and having received some pictures), I am not so sure that what there is is really a flugurite. It looks so different. Please have a look at this picture: http://www.rendelius.com/fulgu.jpg and tell me what you think. What I can tell you to help you with your expertise: If you touch this object, it feels sandy for sure, and it leaves tiny grains of sand (very few) on your fingers. The color on the photo is very accurate. Again: size of the object is: 9cm in length, 2.5cm inner diameter. I am really curious about your opinions. Best regards, Bernhard Rems IMCA #2121
[meteorite-list] Orissa Meteorite Fragments Classified as an Iron Meteorite
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_428970,000600010003.htm Fragments belong to iron meteorite Press Trust of India October 22, 2003 Kolkata - Primary analysis of the fragments of the cosmic fireball that fell over large stretches of Orissa's Kendrapada and Mayurbhanj districts on September 27 showed that it was an iron meteorite, heavier than its stony version. Based on accounts of scientists studying the fragments at GSI, Bhubaneswar, Basab Chattopadhyay, Senior Geologist of GSI's Central Petrological Laboratories at its headquartes in Kolkata said, the meteorite was heavier due to iron content as opposed to stony meteorites. Generally meteorites are classified either as iron or stony meteorites based on their contents. The fragments obtained from Orissa have been found to have iron content and as such their specific gravity is greater, he said. The stony meteorites have a specific gravity of 3.84 as against iron meteorites which have a specific gravity of 7.8, Chattopadhyay explained. He said the fragments would be transferred to the Kolkata laboratory by Tuesday and confirmatory tests to verify its age, density, type and rarity would be made here as well as at the Physical Research Laboratory (PRL), Ahmedabad. The remnants of the meteorite weighing 5.7 kg and 500 grams received from Purba Suniti and Paschima Suniti villages of Kendrapada district would later be handed over to the Indian Museum. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Now: Is this really a fulgurite (Picture link)
It looks so - different. Please have a look at this picture: http://www.rendelius.com/fulgu.jpg Hehe Mr Rems, I see that You have nice specimen of SAU 001 :)) -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Orissa Meteorite Fragments Classified as an Iron Meteorite
WOW, this is really pathetic! This meteorite an iron? They need to go take a look at a piece of iron and learn what it is. It clearly is not the GSI doing this, they have a pile of iron meteorites. This meteorite is an H chondrite, veined/brecciated. Any scientists out there that can speak with the Indians and clear this little error up? Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:07 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Orissa Meteorite Fragments Classified as an Iron Meteorite http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_428970,000600010003.htm Fragments belong to iron meteorite Press Trust of India October 22, 2003 Kolkata - Primary analysis of the fragments of the cosmic fireball that fell over large stretches of Orissa's Kendrapada and Mayurbhanj districts on September 27 showed that it was an iron meteorite, heavier than its stony version. Based on accounts of scientists studying the fragments at GSI, Bhubaneswar, Basab Chattopadhyay, Senior Geologist of GSI's Central Petrological Laboratories at its headquartes in Kolkata said, the meteorite was heavier due to iron content as opposed to stony meteorites. Generally meteorites are classified either as iron or stony meteorites based on their contents. The fragments obtained from Orissa have been found to have iron content and as such their specific gravity is greater, he said. The stony meteorites have a specific gravity of 3.84 as against iron meteorites which have a specific gravity of 7.8, Chattopadhyay explained. He said the fragments would be transferred to the Kolkata laboratory by Tuesday and confirmatory tests to verify its age, density, type and rarity would be made here as well as at the Physical Research Laboratory (PRL), Ahmedabad. The remnants of the meteorite weighing 5.7 kg and 500 grams received from Purba Suniti and Paschima Suniti villages of Kendrapada district would later be handed over to the Indian Museum. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Now: Is this really a fulgurite (Picture link)
Bernhard, Pretty doubtful. The key feature you will see on all fulgurites is a definite glass lining. The external surface is commonly variably fused sand. Your specimen looks like limonite/goethite (check the streak). If it's FeOx and lacks a glassy core, it's not a fulgurite. Norm Lehrman (TektiteSource.com) - Original Message - From: Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:56 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Now: Is this really a fulgurite (Picture link) Greetings, After having had mail contact with some list members on the question of the fulgurite (and having received some pictures), I am not so sure that what there is is really a flugurite. It looks so different. Please have a look at this picture: http://www.rendelius.com/fulgu.jpg and tell me what you think. What I can tell you to help you with your expertise: If you touch this object, it feels sandy for sure, and it leaves tiny grains of sand (very few) on your fingers. The color on the photo is very accurate. Again: size of the object is: 9cm in length, 2.5cm inner diameter. I am really curious about your opinions. Best regards, Bernhard Rems IMCA #2121
Re: [meteorite-list] Orissa Meteorite Fragments Classified as an Iron Meteorite
Not a stone meteorite? What is it fall 2 different meteorites in Orissa? From the history see here all speack of a stone meteorite..oh oh Regards matteo --- Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_428970,000600010003.htm Fragments belong to iron meteorite Press Trust of India October 22, 2003 Kolkata - Primary analysis of the fragments of the cosmic fireball that fell over large stretches of Orissa's Kendrapada and Mayurbhanj districts on September 27 showed that it was an iron meteorite, heavier than its stony version. Based on accounts of scientists studying the fragments at GSI, Bhubaneswar, Basab Chattopadhyay, Senior Geologist of GSI's Central Petrological Laboratories at its headquartes in Kolkata said, the meteorite was heavier due to iron content as opposed to stony meteorites. Generally meteorites are classified either as iron or stony meteorites based on their contents. The fragments obtained from Orissa have been found to have iron content and as such their specific gravity is greater, he said. The stony meteorites have a specific gravity of 3.84 as against iron meteorites which have a specific gravity of 7.8, Chattopadhyay explained. He said the fragments would be transferred to the Kolkata laboratory by Tuesday and confirmatory tests to verify its age, density, type and rarity would be made here as well as at the Physical Research Laboratory (PRL), Ahmedabad. The remnants of the meteorite weighing 5.7 kg and 500 grams received from Purba Suniti and Paschima Suniti villages of Kendrapada district would later be handed over to the Indian Museum. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Orissa Meteorite Fragments Classified as an Iron Meteorite
Hi Mike and everyone, I totally agree with you. It is not an Iron as far as I know. The GSI guys (with due respect to them) are a bunch of morons with little or no interest in what they do. I am enclosing a copy of the email I just got from Dr Bhandari of PRL who has done some work on the fragments I gave him and he collected. On the other hand, being an ex-journalist myself, I am pretty sure that the newpaper would have added their own version of the story. clear skies Vishnu Dear Vishnu, The sample U sent looks like Orissa meteorite.I am reasonably sure that it is genuine. It was too small to make any measurments and we are stiill working on the larger fragment we have. After that measurement is complete we will try your fragment. All I can say at the moment is it is a veined chondrite of grade six.Other results will be required to classify it properly, but that will take time. Best wishes N.Bhandari * Sender: Dr. Narendra Bhandari Project coordinator,National Planetary Science Exploration Programme (ISRO-PLANEX) Vice President, International Lunar Exploration working Group (ILEWG) and Senior Professor, Planetary and Geosciences division, Physical Research Laboratory, Navrangpura, Ahmedabad -380 009,India. Telephone (PRL) (O) 0091-79-6302129 Ext.4266, Fax 0091-79-6301502 (Thaltej) 6853966,6856623 Ext 2009,FAX 6425037 __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Orissa Meteorite Fragments Classified as an Iron Meteorite
Yeah OH OH, they dont seem to have a clue what a meteorite is. It has iron, it is not an iron meteorite. Mike Farmer I am holding my piece in my hand, so I do belive I know what I am talking about. - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Orissa Meteorite Fragments Classified as an Iron Meteorite Not a stone meteorite? What is it fall 2 different meteorites in Orissa? From the history see here all speack of a stone meteorite..oh oh Regards matteo --- Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_428970,000600010003.htm Fragments belong to iron meteorite Press Trust of India October 22, 2003 Kolkata - Primary analysis of the fragments of the cosmic fireball that fell over large stretches of Orissa's Kendrapada and Mayurbhanj districts on September 27 showed that it was an iron meteorite, heavier than its stony version. Based on accounts of scientists studying the fragments at GSI, Bhubaneswar, Basab Chattopadhyay, Senior Geologist of GSI's Central Petrological Laboratories at its headquartes in Kolkata said, the meteorite was heavier due to iron content as opposed to stony meteorites. Generally meteorites are classified either as iron or stony meteorites based on their contents. The fragments obtained from Orissa have been found to have iron content and as such their specific gravity is greater, he said. The stony meteorites have a specific gravity of 3.84 as against iron meteorites which have a specific gravity of 7.8, Chattopadhyay explained. He said the fragments would be transferred to the Kolkata laboratory by Tuesday and confirmatory tests to verify its age, density, type and rarity would be made here as well as at the Physical Research Laboratory (PRL), Ahmedabad. The remnants of the meteorite weighing 5.7 kg and 500 grams received from Purba Suniti and Paschima Suniti villages of Kendrapada district would later be handed over to the Indian Museum. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Now: Is this really a fulgurite (Picture link)
Thats not a fulgurite. Interestingly, two of the pieces look a lot like sudbury impact rocks. Here is a photo of what real fulgurites look like http://www.meteoriteshop.com/aa-fulgurite.jpg Cheers DEAN --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is not a Fulgerite, more like a concretion. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:56 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Now: Is this really a fulgurite (Picture link) Greetings, After having had mail contact with some list members on the question of the fulgurite (and having received some pictures), I am not so sure that what there is is really a flugurite. It looks so - different. Please have a look at this picture: http://www.rendelius.com/fulgu.jpg and tell me what you think. What I can tell you to help you with your expertise: If you touch this object, it feels sandy for sure, and it leaves tiny grains of sand (very few) on your fingers. The color on the photo is very accurate. Again: size of the object is: 9cm in length, 2.5cm inner diameter. I am really curious about your opinions. Best regards, Bernhard Rems IMCA #2121 __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Now: Is this really a fulgurite (Picture link)
Thanks for all the clarifications. This is why I love this list J Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of N Lehrman Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:13 PM To: Bernhard Rendelius Rems; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Now: Is this really a fulgurite (Picture link) Bernhard, Pretty doubtful. The key feature you will see on all fulgurites is a definite glass lining. The external surface is commonly variably fused sand. Your specimen looks like limonite/goethite (check the streak). If it's FeOx and lacks a glassy core, it's not a fulgurite. Norm Lehrman (TektiteSource.com) - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:56 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Now: Is this really a fulgurite (Picture link) Greetings, After having had mail contact with some list members on the question of the fulgurite (and having received some pictures), I am not so sure that what there is is really a flugurite. It looks so different. Please have a look at this picture: http://www.rendelius.com/fulgu.jpg and tell me what you think. What I can tell you to help you with your expertise: If you touch this object, it feels sandy for sure, and it leaves tiny grains of sand (very few) on your fingers. The color on the photo is very accurate. Again: size of the object is: 9cm in length, 2.5cm inner diameter. I am really curious about your opinions. Best regards, Bernhard Rems IMCA #2121
[meteorite-list] Re: Orissa Meteorite Fragments Classified as an Iron Meteorite
The stony meteorites have a specific gravity of 3.84 as against iron meteorites which have a specific gravity of 7.8, Chattopadhyay explained. So what is the density of Orissa? The article didn't say. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Collecting Habits, a walk down memory lane (long)
Elton, Your words make me proud to know ya! Michael on 10/21/03 4:08 AM, E.J at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Walter had this subject almost right...a habit? Maybe. Addiction? for many of us. As to collecting strategy, mine has migrated over the years much as I suppose many other Lay Collectors. When I began collecting there was a scarcity of meteorites exhibits, literature, and photos available for me to study. I subscribed to the belief that meteorites are all around us if we cultivate a trained eye we will have a better chance of finding them. I started collecting about the time Mike Farmer moved from student to full time seller, long before the concept of hot desert meteorites. There were perhaps less than 40-50 named meteorites commonly traded. Fortunately, they included samples of Irons, Stony, and Stony Irons so those were easy slot to fill. Crust--any Crust, was to DIE for. Gibeon, Canyon Diablo, Sikhote Alin,and Odessa were virtually99 % or the Iron trade. Common Chondrites about a 50-30-20 split between Western US, Russian/European locales and the rest of the world and mostly L-6s. Achondrites- Mt Edgerton, Tatahouine, Pena Blanca Springs, Norton County, were available and fortunately covered a large portion of the big 4 Achon. classes: HED's and Aubrites. Imilac,Vaca Muerta, Huckitta, Brahin and Brenham were practically the only available Stony Irons. Esquel was and is expensive. Allende was expensive by today's standards, but plentiful. The other available Carbonaceous Chondrites you could count on one hand. No primitives, No R's Rumuruti E's Enstatites--I am not sure if Martians and Lunars had been recognized as such. From those easily available named meteorites I assembled a good starter collection of micro mounts to be a field/lab reference to compare against candidates. I thought this is about it I have enough. There weren't many die-hard collectors then. For many of us our collections were limited by the number of times a week we could donate blood(wink). This was my Starter category. I used it in talks to students and people wanting an opinion on their find. EBay commingled us with all the other Rocks and Minerals. Here on the list we debated a lot about meteorite in-flux, and dispensed a lot of information about Meteorite 101 before Richard and Dorothy Norton put it together for our community. Harvey H. Was quoted chapter and verse because only a couple of us had Catch a Fallen Star to share with everyone else. Most of the meteorite list Founding Fathers (plus a hand full of ladies) were here then. Bernd, then as now, had the most obscure questions answered within the day. Ron also kept us plugged into NASA's related effortsAh the good old days! Meanwhile, back at eBay, El Hammami was the cheapest common chondrite around. Little anyone suspect that this huge fall--caravaned to civilization by Nomads on camels, would foreshadow the Gold Rush of the 90's. Dar Al Gani aka DAG meteorites hit the market-- so plentiful were they and, so sparse was DAG for land marks, we started numbering them. About the time we became accustomed to the convention, Sahara001,002,003-- who knows? was available to collectors. Meteorites were so inexpensive, the lay collector could afford 30 and 50 gram slices and even whole stones! Collecting interest was now fueled by the variety of matrix colors, shock veins of ringwoodite and, breccia we could actually see! Weekly, the numbers continued to roll out but they lacked sequence. A number here-- a number there, the collector now wanted to get the full Sahara Sequence and seemed a possible collecting goal. Dohfar and HaH were also commonly seen subsets of hot desert locations. A palm-sized, full slice, was not to DIE for they were affordable! A whole stone was still as much as a late used car. It was worth a near death encounter, only. A partslice, thin section, AND the rest of a half kilo stone they came from--THAT was to DIE for. About this time major dealer wars arose (and I don't mean price wars) over named vs numbered meteorites-- whether or not they were worthy of even dealing with. The lay community rose up advocating a boycott against the lowly nomad who brought us these treasures because these Camel Operators didn't subscribe to the professional standards of recording collection data. When there were quiet times, a subtle serendipity was emerging. Those missing numbers started showing up but they weren't the commonly known classifications Angrites? Urelites? Rumuruti ? What is an R chondrite? I had just got used to calling them L and LL instead of Bronzites and Amphoterites. CH's CR's CK's-- oodles of Subclasses of Carbonaceous Stones. Whole new branches of collecting fervor happened in the span of a few months. We actually discussed meteorite science for a while as the classification reports made it to the list and not just shuttered away in
[meteorite-list] Kiddy and similar stories
Hi Rob (Elliott) and List, Thanks for forwarding some of your "kook" e-mails. They're a hoot! I think we all know have an explanation for this one: This Meteor has been continiously evapurating it's hard cosmic dust materials. e.g. :- 1. When this Meteor was found 50 yrs back, it's weight was almost approximately 250 gms . However, From that onwards, this meteor has been continously loosing it's weight as well as continiously reducing it's size and shape . Now Today, it's weight remains only 60 gms ." He has a Nantan! That or a (wet) Brahin...;-) --Rob
[meteorite-list] Mars Global Surveyor Images - October 16-22, 2003
MARS GLOBAL SURVEYOR IMAGES October 16-22, 2003 The following new images taken by the Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC) on the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft are now available: o Dust-Raising Event (Released 16 October 2003) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2003/10/16/index.html o Dust-Raising Event (Released 17 October 2003) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2003/10/17/index.html o Chasma Boreale Dunes (Released 18 October 2003) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2003/10/18/index.html o North Nilosyrtis Mesas (Released 19 October 2003) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2003/10/19/index.html o Large Windblown Ripples (Released 20 October 2003) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2003/10/20/index.html o Impact Crater (Released 21 October 2003) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2003/10/21/index.html o Impact Crater (Released 22 October 2003) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2003/10/22/index.html All of the Mars Global Surveyor images are archived here: http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/index.html Mars Global Surveyor was launched in November 1996 and has been in Mars orbit since September 1997. It began its primary mapping mission on March 8, 1999. Mars Global Surveyor is the first mission in a long-term program of Mars exploration known as the Mars Surveyor Program that is managed by JPL for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, DC. Malin Space Science Systems (MSSS) and the California Institute of Technology built the MOC using spare hardware from the Mars Observer mission. MSSS operates the camera from its facilities in San Diego, CA. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory's Mars Surveyor Operations Project operates the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft with its industrial partner, Lockheed Martin Astronautics, from facilities in Pasadena, CA and Denver, CO. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] photos of Orissa fragment available
I have recieved photos ofone small orissa fragment. Anyone who wants to se the pics please email me. Mike Farmer- let me know if you want to put the pics on your website. It is approx 5 cms x 3 cms in size- Not for sale. Also- mike what was the closest post office- so we can start calling it by its proper futurename. Also it is pretty obvious that the report in the newspaper is erronous. Atul Kumar 219-308-8282
[meteorite-list] Green Glow Over North Carolina Could Have Been Meteor Shower
http://www.herald-sun.com/durham/4-405186.html Green glow could've been meteor shower BY JIM SHAMP The Herald-Sun (North Carolina) October 21. 2003 DURHAM -- Leftover junk from Comet Halley probably explains the mysteriously bright, greenish streaker that crossed the heavens Monday night before quickly disappearing in a blaze of glory. That's the word from Bruce Carney, chairman of the UNC Department of Physics and Astronomy, who fielded calls from the Triad, the Triangle and as far away as Charlotte after arriving at his office Tuesday morning. Actually, Comet Halley hasn't visited the Earth since 1986, when its wimpy display was barely visible to the naked eye. That paled in comparison to its fly-by in 1066, when it brought such terror to squinting and cowering Europeans that it was said to have somehow enabled the Norman victory at the Battle of Hastings. But even though the comet's 76-year orbit won't bring it back until 2061, the litter that it tossed out 17 years ago makes an Earthly appearance as the Orionids meteor shower, which peaks this time every year. Comet Halley, which is heated during its swing past the sun, loses ice and rock as it hurtles through the galaxy. The debris particles, most of which are the size of a grain of sand or even smaller, glow as brilliant shooting stars when they hit Earth's atmosphere at 90,000 miles an hour. The big ones burn brighter, experts say, often in colors that reflect the disintegration of various minerals. And the really big ones -- the size of cars -- have the ability to keep burning all the way to the ground, where they can create spectacular fireworks-like displays before exploding and blowing craters into the Earth's surface. Those big, bright meteorites, which have rounded fronts and fiery tails of the sort described Monday by many area residents, are sometimes called bolides. So far, however, there's been no report of that object hitting the ground. Several people contacted The Herald-Sun to express surprise and relief Tuesday after reading about the sightings. Jeff Pidgeon, of Durham, who works as an MCI network engineer in Cary, said he was sitting at his dining room table talking to his wife Misty and waiting for Monday Night Football to start. She had her back to the window and I saw it over her shoulder, Pidgeon said. Because it was so huge, at first, I thought it was a reflection on the window from a car turning in the cul-de-sac behind me. But I turned around and didn't see a car. My wife said my eyes looked like saucers when I saw it. It was the biggest shooting star I have ever seen. Faye Daniels said she was driving near Falls Lake around 8:45 p.m. Monday when the object caught her attention. It lit up bright green, she said. I remember looking around for a house to see if maybe somebody was shooting fireworks. It seemed close. I remember thinking it might have been something that went down in Falls Lake. And Tammy Denning, who lives about 10 minutes south of Creedmoor, off Redwood Road, said she saw what she believed was a UFO the previous night, Sunday, while smoking outside her home. My husband doesn't believe in this stuff, she said, but I've seen this several times since 2001. It always comes from the same direction. It's a big bright ball that kind of hangs there. Then, all of a sudden, it'll disappear. Unfortunately, I missed it myself, UNC's Carney said. He added that the object probably was a relatively large meteor from the Orionids. People can go out some clear night this week around midnight and probably see 20 to 30 meteors per hour at its peak, the astronomer said. The nucleus of a comet is often described as a dirty iceberg. That green glow people have described might have been metals producing a variety of colors as they're burning -- copper, nickel, iron, maybe. Carney said the comet dust is tiny. But the amount of energy that comes in from one of those sand grains is about same as a typical car traveling down the interstate, he added. It's an awful lot smaller, but moving a heck of a lot faster. So there's a lot of energy involved. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Group Seeks To Zap Asteroids
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~1714277,00.html Group seeks to zap asteroids By Diedtra Henderson Denver Post October 22, 2003 Hulking masses of rock lurk outside our solar system, threatening to obliterate cities, spawn massive tsunamis and end civilization, were they to strike Earth. While the odds are tiny, the devastation such killer asteroids could cause lurches off the scale of human imagination. What to do? Tow the thugs safely out of harm's way, says a coalition of scientists that includes a Boulder- based researcher. The team makes the case for its tugboat theory of protecting Earth's inhabitants in next month's issue of Scientific American. An asteroid with a diameter bigger than 1 kilometer would strike Earth with the energy equivalent of 100,000 megatons of TNT, far greater than the combined energy of all the nuclear weapons in existence, wrote the authors, led by former astronaut Rusty Schweickart. Impacts of this size and larger have the potential to wipe out human civilization, and there is a chance of perhaps one in 5,000 that such a strike will occur in this century. For as little as $1 billion, technology already in the works for upcoming NASA missions could be cobbled together for a craft that would jet into space, attach itself to a killer rock, and scoot the asteroid off its rendezvous path with Earth. The project would start with just a few million dollars in private funding to create a detailed study. That project would include enough specifics for NASA to take the tug concept seriously enough to fund the bulk of the $1 billion price tag for a 2015 demonstration mission. At the moment, a mission of this sort is not on NASA's drawing boards. Or the European Space Agency. Or any other space agency, said Clark Chapman, a space scientist at the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder who is part of the B612 Foundation. A number of people have tried to get NASA, in particular, interested for some years about dealing with the impact hazard. Apart from spending $3 million a year finding and cataloging potentially killer rocks, NASA hasn't funded such prevention efforts. Scientific American editors chide the space agency for its penny-wise, planet-foolish stance. (K)iller rocks are a fact of life on our planet. Doubters can ask the dinosaurs for their opinion, wrote the editors in a perspective piece. Most space debris that rains down on Earth is as small as grains of rice. It burns with pretty sparks as shooting stars. But Earth - like the Moon, Mercury and Mars - has been battered by hulking asteroids as well. In Earth's early history, at least four asteroid impacts were sizable enough to cause mass extinction. Smaller, far-flung rocks are just as worrisome. The Eltanin Impact event, a crash into the southern Pacific Ocean 2 million years ago, was less than half the size of the object that ended the Age of Dinosaurs. Had that impact occurred a few hours earlier, it would have been in southern Africa and wiped out, man's ancestors, said Gary Byerly, a geology professor at Louisiana State University. So, timing and location are just as important as size in trying to understand the effects of impacts. The B612 Foundation, named after an asteroid made famous in The Little Prince, has created snazzy graphics, snagged 501C3 status for tax-free donations and will appear in an upcoming CBC/BBC documentary. Chapman said the public response spans the gamut. Some, more concerned about down-to-Earth risks, say it's completely ridiculous to worry about odds that can rise to one in a million. Others recognize such rare strikes imperil all of human civilization. If you think about the effect that 9/11 had on our nation and on the world, that was merely 3,000 people and a few buildings, he said. The same number of people die on the nation's highways in the month of September as died in the World Trade Center, yet the impact on society was totally enormous. So, it doesn't necessarily take a civilization-destroying asteroid to have a profound effect. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteor Causes Stir In Utah
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,515039379,00.html Meteor causes stir in Utah on Thursday Desert News (Utah) October 17, 2003 A meteor passing over Utah Thursday morning caused a stir among skywatchers as the unusual occurrence moved across the sky toward the West, leaving a bright light. Patrick Wiggins, NASA solar system ambassador for Utah, said someone e-mailed a photo to him showing a bright light with an ionized tail moving across the sky at about 8 a.m. Someone also said a meteor went across at about 10 a.m., so I don't know if there was one meteor or two, Wiggins said. Daytime meteors, he said, are not all that rare, but do happen occasionally. I've never seen one. It's only occasionally they are bright enough to see during the day. Wiggins said Thursday's meteor looked like what you'd expect to see a comet look like at night, whitish with a bright tail against a blue sky. Meteors at night tend to have a train - ionized stuff behind it - that is lit up in the daylight. An Army National Guard employee at Camp Williams saw a bright object moving across the sky approximately the same time as the meteor was reported and thought it was an airplane in distress, National Guard spokesman Lt. Col. Brad Blackner said. Soldiers searched the area for a possible downed airplane and filed a report with the North American Air Defense Command, which reported no aircraft missing, he said. Wiggins said if a meteor had broken up over the Wasatch Front, it would have caused a sonic boom loud enough to be heard throughout the Salt Lake Valley. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Green Glow Over North Carolina Could Have Been Meteor Sh...
And Tammy Denning, who lives about 10 minutes south of Creedmoor, offRedwood Road, said she saw what she believed was a UFO the previous night,Sunday, while smoking outside her home. I wonder what she was smoking? :o) "Unfortunately, I missed it myself," UNC's Carney said. He added that theobject probably was a relatively large meteor from the Orionids.Faye Daniels said she was driving near Falls Lake around 8:45 p.m. Mondaywhen the object caught her attention.The Orionid radiant rises near 11pmIf it was seen near 8:45 pm...it stands a better chance being a flying saucer than an orionid. :o) "People can go out some clear night this week around midnight and probablysee 20 to 30 meteors per hour at its peak," the astronomer said. "Thenucleus of a comet is often described as a dirty iceberg. That green glowpeople have described might have been metals producing a variety of colorsas they're burning -- copper, nickel, iron, maybe." Or more than likely colors given off from atoms in the atmosphere such as nitrogen and oxygen as they get excited from the passing meteoroid. George Zay
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Causes Stir In Utah
i saw a meteor streak west to east @9:30pm on the 17th about an hour north of santa barbara california. joseph curiale __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ORRISSA PICTURES
Hello list.I just aquired 2 pictures of the ORRISSA meteorite.You can view them on my website.It looks like the weight could be between 4 and 9 grams.I was told there was no scale.It is a nice looking stone.I guess these are the first pictures of this new meteorite.Look at your liesure.The pics are on my homepage. steve arnold, chicago, usa = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Kiddy
Those bears HATE it when they get shocked! I ESPECIALLY loved that it digs itself in and moves toward the shade! I GOTTA have it! Rob, I've read many, and THIS IS THE BEST OF ALL! Michael on 10/22/03 8:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 22/10/03 16:02:56 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone want to deal with these freaks? They have a large sandstone piece worth tens of millions of pounds! Rob? They sent me their meteorite Kiddy pictures a couple of weeks ago, so I think I'll pass. Weird emails claiming I've found a meteorite!! seem to have increased recently. Some of them are pretty funny and obviously scams or spoofs..here's a few of my favourites from recent weeks. The only editing I've done is to remove names, email addresses, etc: hi,i got the reply about the picture .i tried photographing it and it came out blank. the stone is 6 kg and 6 months old since it was discovered. the characteristics are:very highly radioactive,when put near a car,the car would not start.emits very bright light.when place on soil,it digs itself in.it moves slowly from sunlight into a shade.if touch with bear hands it sends electric shocks. Got a meteor fpor sale Urgent Ron is the Owner Important Factors : This Meteor has been continiously evapurating it's hard cosmic dust materials. e.g. :- 1. When this Meteor was found 50 yrs back, it's weight was almost approximately 250 gms . However, From that onwards, this meteor has been continously loosing it's weight as well as continiously reducing it's size and shape . Now Today, it's weight remains only 60 gms . REIMBOLD METEORITE 1047 set in a s s pendant Sadly, I do have many more ;-) Cheers, Rob. Rob Elliott A HREF=www.meteorites.uk.comwww.meteorites.uk.com/A Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't accept rides from strange men, and remember that all men are strange. Robin Morgan -- http://www.costofwar.com/ -- SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm - Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Panoramic view of Meteor Crater: http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/GrandCanyonRoute66/MeteorCrater/Met eorCraterRimL.html -- Cool Calendar Clock: http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites Didgeridoos for sale at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad High quality pieces from NWA
Dear List, for all collectors and people interested in nice complete meteorites I have made some webpages with sale offers of very beautiful stones. http://www.meteoriten.com/special.html I have selected the pieces within years from tons of weathered NWA meteorites. They are all fresh meteorites mostly from different finds weathered to a degree of maximum W1 with fine and interesting forms. This quality is found very seldom in Morocco and less and less in recent times. You can believe me that this is the best quality which is available in NW-Africa and you will be thrilled by the pieces. A special highlight are some extremly fine Agoult Individuals. For me, Agoult is - next to the Stannern - the finest achondrite I have ever seen. The unclassified meteorites are all chondrites. I did not see any sense in classifying them because the completeness of the pieces would have been damaged and there is no real scientific value in the classification. Nevertheless some of the meteorites are classified and the NWA numbers of the classified pieces will be handed out to the buyer later. In addition, I am offering the finest and last pieces of the H6 NWAxxx, that is already known to some of the members of the list. Unfortunately I did not get the NWA numbers by now. As soon as the numbers will be available, I will communicate them to the buyers. The prefered method of payment is Paypal. Please be so kind as to understand that due to extremly high fees for cheques in Germany, I do not accept cheques of less than 350 $. The pieces are shipped immediately. Delivery to the USA by post will need approx. 1 - 2 weeks. All pieces will be packed carefully and secure and up till now not a single package has been lost on the way. I have followed the dispute about so called desert crap on this list with interest. It is right, that many of the meteorites offered by moroccan mineral dealers are often unsightly, weathered and not very interesting for collectors. In addition, the Moroccan dealers often have no idea what they are actually selling. Nevertheless I do not regard NWA meteorites as second class meteorites. Firstly, because they are coming from space, as all meteorites, and secondly because the NWA gold rush has made more extremly rare types available than ever before. A few years ago you had to pay $500/g for an R-Chondrite - if you had been so lucky as to get one at all. Now it is available for 20 $g without problems. For me, the NWA boom is the most interesting that I ever experienced as collector of meteorites. I think something like that will very likely not happen again for the collector. We will all probably need some years to understand what we have witnessed. Best regards, Stefan SR-Meteorite I.M.C.A. Member#3368 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website url: http://www.meteoriten.com/ Stefan Ralew Kunibertstrasse 29 12524 Berlin Germany __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dreaming meteorites
Vishnu and all, I'm new to the list and am delighted with all the help and advice so many of you have given to those who range from newbies on up! I'd like to pick a few brains on something I'm curious about. I occasionally go to gem and mineral shows and among the various mineral specimens offered, look for meteorites, especially any that might be a real bargain (relatively few and far between!). I'm especially fascinated by the irons, but unfortunately, with the exception of some Sikhote-Alins, a lot of what I've run across in small to large sizes are merely blobs with little or no character, and many are cleaned or wire-brushed (which I don't personally care for). I'm curious about what typical asking prices should be in a wide range of sizes for specimens left natural-as-found (a small slice taken off might not matter), attractive, nicely shaped and well preserved for Sikhote-Alin, Canyon Diablo, Gibeon, Odessa and Campo Del Cielo in about the following weights: l ounce 1 pound 20 pounds 50 pounds 100 pounds l50 pounds Larger? I know there could be considerable differences in prices according to particular situations but wonder about more or less average asking prices. Looking on the Internet has given some clues but I'd appreciate any input anyone may have. I've been fascinated with meteorites since I was a kid and have a small collection of various specimens, most of which I got back in the days when prices were fairly low and am just curious as to what some of the irons run nowadays in case the Lottery decides to make a visit! Thanks a bunch, Stan - Original Message - From: vishnu reddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:48 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Dreaming meteorites Hello everyone, I am overwhelmed by the support and response to a new person like me. Thanks a ton for all the advice. After reading all the emails I just couldnt get any sleep. Everytime I close my eyes I see meteorites all kinds of them...Does this happen to others too?? Looks like I am pretty clear about what my first collection should have. Thanks a lot for all the help. clear skies Vishnu __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Deep News - Issue #4, October 2003
DEEP NEWS Newsletter for the Deep Impact mission Issue 4 - October 2003 Welcome to the growing group of Deep Impact followers who signed up to hear the most current news about the mission that will make a football-sized crater deep inside a comet. For more information on the Deep Impact mission, visit: http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov http://deepimpact.umd.edu SCIENCE UPDATE WITH PRINCIPAL INVESTIGATOR, MIKE A'HEARN Read Dr. A'Hearn's thoughts about the Deep Impact mission and events taking place this Fall. http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/update-200310.html TEACHERS HELP PLAN DEEP IMPACT ENCOUNTER ACTIVITIES FOR STUDENTS The July 2005 impact with Comet Tempel 1 is nearly two years away but we are already at work with a group of teachers, trained to track the comet in Hawaii where the collision will be clearly seen. These women will combine education and astronomy to bring their students a special encounter experience. In coming months, they will share their plans with other teachers who may want to do the same. Meet these wonderful educators at http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/disczone/community-TOPS.html. ARE YOU PUZZLED? WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE? Check out our comet crossword and word search puzzles. What a great way to learn about comets! We'll add more in the future. http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/disczone/braintwist.html TELL FIVE FRIENDS. SEND YOUR NAME TO A COMET. You may already have entered your name to go on a CD on our impactor that will put a deep crater in Comet Tempel 1. Now you can email five or more of your friends and make sure they know too. Go to our email form with all the details. You only add your friends' emails. http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/sendyourname/whatis.html#email ONE GOOD TURN DESERVES ANOTHER. Check out this interactive animation of both the impactor and flyby spacecraft from all sides. Our team at Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp designed it. http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/mov-DImodel1.html EDUCATORS: ROLE PLAY SOME OF THE TOUGH DECISIONS THAT THE PROJECT TEAM HAD TO MAKE. Should the team put additional, commercial cameras on their spacecraft? What are the risks? What are the benefits? What has to be taken into consideration? What will your students decide? See our new High Power Activity module designed by McREL. http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/high_power/index.html HOW FAST IS FAST? CAN YOU FIGURE IT OUT? CALLING ALL MATH BUFFS. Math is extremely important for designing, building and flying a spacecraft. Then you add meeting and colliding with a comet. Whew! Get out your pencils and paper and see if you can answer the question: How fast will the impactor be moving when it hits Comet Tempel 1? Educators, take a look at this one for your students. http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/disczone/challenge_vector.html QUESTIONS FROM YOU: HOW DO YOU GET ALL THE DATA FROM THE SPACECRAFT BACK TO EARTH? Both the flyby and the impactor spacecraft will gather images and other data as they observe the comet - but what good is that if we don't get it back to Earth? That's why the huge white antennas of NASA's Deep Space Network (DSN) are so important. They are positioned about 120 degrees apart around the world in: Spain, Australia and in California, USA. From there, they communicate with and listen to all our spacecraft. Not only will these antennas receive data, but they will send it on for distribution to our scientists and engineers at Jet Propulsion Laboratory, University of Maryland and Cornell University. In addition to collecting data, these dish-like structures serve as the communication path between the Deep Impact team on Earth giving instructions, and the spacecraft replying back to the team. It's through this two-way communication that the team can confirm the health of the spacecraft and give any changes needed in its flight. The DSN will be even more important in the 24 hours that the impactor aims at and hits the comet. So much data will be coming down for the 14 minutes of primary science that the team will actually time the collision to make sure they have overlapping coverage from 70-meter dishes in two locations in the world. This makes the DSN a truly important partner to the Deep Impact project. The next time you think of spacecraft in space - remember the Deep Space Network (http://deepspace.jpl.nasa.gov/dsn). DID YOU SEE OUR PAST DEEP NEWS ISSUES? Visit http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/newsletter/archive.html to catch up on exciting past news from the Deep Impact mission. The Deep Impact mission is a partnership among the University of Maryland (UMD), the California Institute of Technology's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) and Ball Aerospace and Technology Corp (BATC). Deep Impact is a NASA Discovery mission, eighth in a series of low-cost, highly focused space science investigations. See http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov or our mirror site at http://deepimpact.umd.edu. __ Meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MORE ORRISSA
Hello again list.I also aquired 2 more pictures of the new ORRISSA meteorite from vishnu.They are available on my homepage of my website.I was also informed by a very reliable source that these pictures are the very first to be seen by anyone.View at your liesure. steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: [meteorite-list]Atmospheric Blowout( was Cosmos 96/Kecksburg-Venus Question)
Yes ordinarily the atmosphere's density on Venus makes for a formidable obstacle. Be it remembered, that with a huge impact event there is theorized to be a blowout over the impact site. We think this plume of ejecta can reach the top of the atmosphere, plus exceed escape velocity. As for Mercury my recollection is that it has a micro atmosphere and wouldn't be a factor in reaching escape velocity. It is hard to rule out that nothing could escape both Mercury and the Sun. I think the masses of the Moon and Murcury are nearly the same. I'll have to think on the Sun catching everything however it does make it a lot more remote that we on Earth catch anything liberated from either innner planet. So I am not ready to rule out the possibility that Venus of Mercury have releases meteor-oids into the solar system. Elton Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems wrote: I thought about the chances for meteorites from Venus or even Mercury a couple of days ago, too. My conclusion (which isnt a scientific one, just an educated guess): Venusian atmosphere is so dense that it will slow down an impacting body considerably (reducing his energy) and slow down ejecta as well (making it impossible to reach escape velocity). With Mercury, I guess the sun will be the big catcher that will collect all ejected material. But once again, I am not a scientist J Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 14.8 gram Howardite ... $76?
Hello all- Just a note for those that do not regularly surf eBay that I have a rather large howardite with a rather small TKW running with no reserve. Sitting painfully low right now, hope not to set the new record low for rare achondrites this week. Have a look and feel free to get back to me with any questions. http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/nakhladog/ Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Collecting Habits
Anne and list Hr 17 huh? Since I am relatively new and still only half way through reading Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites, does anyone have a good spot where I can read up on them? Trying to convince the wife that instead of cloths for Christmas to buy me a good copy of The Catalogue of Meteorites. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks James Carroll - Original Message - From: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10/20/2003 11:42:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Collecting Habits In a message dated 10/20/2003 9:07:39 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would collect meteorites that hit Alabama but since, to the best of my limited knowledge, there are only 2 known. I have one but the other (the one that went after the woman in her house- That's Sylacauga) is a bit harder to come by. Maybe I will try some Georgia falls since I was born there. 2 !?!?!?! No, there are 17 meteorites from Alabama. And 22 from Georgia. That should keep you busy for a while. Welcome to the List. Anne M. Black www. IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA #2356
[meteorite-list] Fireball reported in night sky over Kingsport TN.
Callers report fireball in night sky Tuesday, October 21, 2003 By Staff report KINGSPORT - Callers to the Kingsport Times-News and Kingsport Central Dispatch reported a fireball in the sky Monday evening. They weren't alone. Similar calls were reported to other organizations from as far away as Knoxville and Greenville, S.C. Gary Henson, director of East Tennessee State University's observatory in Johnson City, said no one at the facility observed the phenomenon. I haven't heard of any space debris. ... It sounds like a meteor, which is quite common. He said even something the size of a softball can produce an intense flash across the sky and be visible from a wide distance as it skips through a shallow orbit. Claudia Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD, SALE
Greetings List, I am offering the following specimens. Free shipping to CONUS on orders over $100, actual shipping cost to everywhere else. Multiple purchases will be shipped together. I prefer Paypal or Money Orders, but will accept personal checks. Some nice material, please contact me off-list with requests. thanx, Steve 1. Canyon Diablo (OgIAB) - (in several forms): Endpiece with etched face (877 grams), Etched Rim Specimen (104.1 grams), fragment (plains specimen) (25.1 grams) and Spheroids collected by Dr. Nininger (1 gram). Entire set (over 1 kilo) - $500 http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/CDgroup.jpg http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/CDendpieceface.jpg http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/CDendpieceback.jpg http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/CDRim.jpg http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/CDfrag.jpg http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/CDSpheroids.jpg 2. Bensour (LL6)- Complete fusion crusted stone (8.96 grams) - $40 http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/bensour1.jpg http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/bensour2.jpg 3. Esquel (PAL) - Part Slice - (15.4 grams) - $250.00 http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/Esquel2.jpg http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/Esquel.jpg 4. Ensisheim (LL6) - Part Slice (.5 grams) - $70 http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/Ensisheim.jpg 5. Pultusk (H5) - Complete fusion crusted stone (3.7 grams) - $28 http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/pultusk.jpg 6. LA001 (ASHE) - Small micro - $20 http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/LA001.jpg 7. Ghubara - (L5) Black Xenolith - (62.0 grams) - $50 http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/Ghubara.jpg 8. Bilanga - (ADIO) - Fragment with fusion crust (1.9 grams) - $35 http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/bilanga.jpg 9. NWA1685 (LL5) formerly known as Dean's BL - Complete stone with crust (small window on back side) - (374 grams) - $800 http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/nwa1685front.jpg http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/nwa1685back.jpg 10. Park Forest (L5) - Garza Stone, Includes 1.3 gram fragment with fusion crust, pieces of ceiling plaster, wood rafter and glass from broken window. The fragment has ceiling plaster embedded in the fusion crust and the wood from the rafter has small fusion crusted fragments of the meteorite embedded in the wood. Also included is the original letter of certification from Noe Garza. - $100 http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/garza1.jpg http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/garza2.jpg http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/garza3.jpg 11. Pena Blanca Springs (Aub) Part Slice (2grams) - $75 http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/penablancasprings.jpg 12. Tagish Lake (CI2) - 20 Mg. fragment with fusion crust - $18 http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/tagishlake.jpg 13. Hamlet (LL4) - Part slice with fusion crust on one edge (2.830 grams) - $150 http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/Hamletface.jpg http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/Hamletcrust.jpg 14. Wagon Mound (L6) - Part Slice (65.1 grams) - $32 http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/wagonmoundfront.jpg http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/wagonmoundback.jpg 15. Chinga - (ATAX IVB ANOM) - Polished Slice (50.6 grams) - $45 http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/Chinga002.jpg 16. Odessa (Og IAB) - Part Slice with etch. This is one of the prettiest slices of Odessa that I've seen. This slice is from the 25 pound specimen pictured on page 135 of O.R. Norton's Rocks from Space. (305.1 grams) - $350 http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/Odessa.jpg 17. Allende (CV3.2) - Endpiece with fusion crust (15.8 grams) - $70 http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/allendeback.jpg http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/allendeface.jpg 18. Vaca Muerta (MES) - Endpiece (9.0 grams) - $25 http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/vacamuerta.jpg 19. Holbrook (L/LL6) Complete fusion crusted stone (2.7 grams) - $20 http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/Holbrook.jpg 20. NWA788 (L6) Endpiece with incredible brecciation (99.5 grams) - $80 http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/nwa788.jpg 21. El Hammami (H5) - Part Slice with just a bit of fusion crust (9.8 grams) -$12 http://www.geocities.com/stelor96/ElHammami.jpg = Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Collecting Habits
Hello, James, you can find all 17, nicely listed from the book "Meteorites from A to Z" by Jensen, Jensen and Black. Dont know, if Anne has any copies for sale? The book is very handy and I have it in use much more than The Cataloque of Meteorites. And if you chooce this option, it might be, youll get a book + clothes from Santa, the price is very reasonable...;- take care, pekka s Claudia Carroll wrote: Anne and list Hr 17 huh? Since I am relatively new and still only half way through reading Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites, does anyone have a good spot where I can read up on them? Trying to convince the wife that instead of cloths for Christmas to buy me a good copy of The Catalogue of Meteorites. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks James Carroll - Original Message - From: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10/20/2003 11:42:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Collecting Habits In a message dated 10/20/2003 9:07:39 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would collect meteorites that hit Alabama but since, to the best of my limited knowledge, there are only 2 known. I have one but the other (the one that went after the woman in her house- That's Sylacauga) is a bit harder to come by. Maybe I will try some Georgia falls since I was born there. 2 !?!?!?! No, there are 17 meteorites from Alabama. And 22 from Georgia. That should keep you busy for a while. Welcome to the List. Anne M. Black www. IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA #2356 -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Collecting Habits
Well, me again, there is also an on-line version of The Cataloque of Meteorites by Monica Grady. Just checked the search-options, and seems, you cant search just Alabama meteorites, you have to search by names or just all US mets. Anyway, the Alabama-ones are; Athens Auburn Carver Chulafinnee Danville Felix Frankfort (stone) Guin Ider Leighton Lime Creek Selma Summit Sylacauga Tombigbee River Walker County Waverly The on-line version of the cataloque can be found from; http://internt.nhm.ac.uk/cgi-bin/earth/metcat/indexsing.dsml take care, pekka s Claudia Carroll wrote: Anne and list Hr 17 huh? Since I am relatively new and still only half way through reading Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites, does anyone have a good spot where I can read up on them? Trying to convince the wife that instead of cloths for Christmas to buy me a good copy of The Catalogue of Meteorites. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks James Carroll - Original Message - From: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10/20/2003 11:42:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Collecting Habits In a message dated 10/20/2003 9:07:39 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would collect meteorites that hit Alabama but since, to the best of my limited knowledge, there are only 2 known. I have one but the other (the one that went after the woman in her house- That's Sylacauga) is a bit harder to come by. Maybe I will try some Georgia falls since I was born there. 2 !?!?!?! No, there are 17 meteorites from Alabama. And 22 from Georgia. That should keep you busy for a while. Welcome to the List. Anne M. Black www. IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA #2356 -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[meteorite-list] Re: [meteorite-list]Atmospheric Blowout( was Cosmos 96/Kecksburg-Venus Question)
Yes I recall the Shoemaker-Levy(?) comet holes in Jupiter atmosphere. Personally I don't think the venusian atmosphere would be that much of a obstacle for a big impactrelative to factors likethe earthlike gravity well and being an inferior planet. Then less collision than mars but there are enough transecting big bodies that there should be some venusian pieces floating aroung. They this is all armchair speculation. Where are the astrophysist? Still the question was how would we recognize a venusian meteorite? Howard Wu"E.J" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes ordinarily the atmosphere's density on Venus makes for a formidable obstacle. Be it remembered, that with a huge impact event there is theorized to be a blowout over the impact site. We think this plume of ejecta can reach the top of the atmosphere, plus exceed escape velocity.As for Mercury my recollection is that it has a micro atmosphere and wouldn't be a factor in reaching escape velocity. It is hard to rule out that nothing could escape both Mercury and the Sun. I think the masses of the Moon and Murcury are nearly the same. I'll have to think on the Sun catching everything however it does make it a lot more remote that we on Earth catch anything liberated from either innner planet.So I am not ready to rule out the possibility that Venus of Mercury have releases meteor-oids into the solar system.EltonBernhard "Rendelius" Rems wrote: I thought about the chances for meteorites from Venus or even Mercury a couple of days ago, too. My conclusion (which isnt a scientific one, just an educated guess): Venusian atmosphere is so dense that it will slow down an impacting body considerably (reducing his energy) and slow down ejecta as well (making it impossible to reach escape velocity). With Mercury, I guess the sun will be the big catcher that will collect all ejected material. But once again, I am not a scientist J Bernhard Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger
[meteorite-list] Meteorites from Venus/Mercury
Hi Howard and List, If you search the archives, you'll find that we've discussed the Mercury Venus meteorite transfer issue before. I believe the scientific consensus is that it is indeed possible for both planets to have transferred material toearth through very energetic impacts. A list member posted results of a computersimulation of transfer statistics (e.g. Mars to Earth, Earth to Mars,Moon to Earth,Venus to Earth, and Mercury toEarth). I'll try to find the specific post. I recall that themass transfer rate for Mercury was something like a few % of what it is for Mars, and thus there is a real chance that a Mercury meteorite or two are hiding amongst our recovered finds. (Don't recall what the transfer rate was for Venus -- perhaps a bit worse owing to the thick atmosphere.) The problem, as you've pointed out, is recognition. You'd expect the nickel/iron to be almost entirely in a reduced state (no oxygen). E-chondrites would fit the bill, but frankly there are too many of them. I guess one question for the planetary geologists is, "How should Venusian basalt differ from Martian basalt?" --Rob
[meteorite-list] Mercury -- Earth transfer abstract
Hi again, On the subject of Mercury to Earth transfer, here's a new (2003) abstract I found by B. Gladman (University of British Columbia) that I hadn't seen before: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2003/pdf/1933.pdf --Rob
[meteorite-list] Re: Another possibly-misidentified fireball
Apparently, I'm not the only one that finds it hard to believe that this fireball was from a meteor shower: - Messages Forward without Permission - From: http://www.meteorobs.org Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:07:16 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Another possibly-misidentified fireball http://www.heraldonline.com/local/story/2962813p-2716565c.html Bright lights in tri-county night sky were caused by meteor showers, experts say Any time something like this happens at, or near, the maximum of a shower, the experts instantly identify the unknown object as a member of the shower. Often it came from the showers. The experts include such categories as meteorologists and non-observing professional astronomers. They don't know a thing about meteor behavior, especially that most of the major showers are not visible so early in the evening. Concerning the spectacular reentry over Washington State a few years ago in November, an unknowledgable astronomer pinned this object on the Leonids despite the early evening appearance. Norman Norman W. McLeod III Staff Advisor American Meteor Society Fort Myers, Florida [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:45:37 -0700 From: Ed Majden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Another possibly-misidentified fireball - - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Another possibly-misidentified fireball Any time something like this happens at, or near, the maximum of a shower, the experts instantly identify the unknown object as a member of the shower. Often it came from the showers. The experts include such categories as meteorologists and non-observing professional astronomers. They don't know a thing about meteor behavior, especially that most of the major showers are not visible so early in the evening. This happens time and time again! Some of this can be blamed on the press or reporter doing the interview. Boy, can they distort and misquote what you tell them! Ask to see the copy before they use it. The above is also true about the identification of meteorites. Some geologists and astronomers from other fields wouldn't recognise a meteorite if it hit them on the head. Often experts aren't 100% sure until the appropriate lab tests are done. Ed Majden The archive and Web site for Meteorobs list is at http://www.meteorobs.org To get email from the 'meteorobs' lists, use Webform: http://www.meteorobs.org/subscribe.html -- __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mercurian meteorites
On this subject, here's a re-post of a portion of Bernd Pauli's post from April 22, 2002: LOVE S.G. et al. (1995) Recognizing mercurian meteorites (MAPS 30-3, 1995, 269-278): The groups in which a misclassified mercurian meteorite would be most likely to lurk are differentiated, low-FeO objects such as the lunar anorthosites and the aubrites. Future searches for mercurian meteorites should focus on similar objects. Excerpts from the March issue of MAPS: - the Sun is up to 11 x more intense than on Earth - the sunlit side of the planet heats up to over 400°C - specific gravity of 5.44 as compared to the Moon's 3.34 - Mercury has the highest metal/silicate ratio and the Moon the lowest - Rocks on Mercury are generally Fe-poor, and therefore light-colored - ~3 wt% FeO is the most reasonable value for the crust of Mercury - presence of a magnetic field (strength of ~1% of the Earth's field is just enough to indicate the existence of a core dynamo) - current models suggest that the evolution of a planetary dynamo requires the presence of a solid inner core and a liquid outer core - discovery of material of high radar reflectivity near the poles is interpreted as ice, possibly mantled by dust. From the Editors, Mercury 2001 conference, Field Museum, Chicago, Illinois, 2001 October 4-5 [MAPS 37, 307-309 (2002)] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: [meteorite-list]Atmospheric Blowout( was Cosmos 96/K...
In a message dated 10/22/2003 5:09:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Still the question was how would we recognize a venusian meteorite? Look for feminine attributes. :o) George Zay
Re: [meteorite-list] Collecting Habits and A to Z
In a message dated 10/22/2003 5:11:20 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you can find all 17, nicely listed from the book "Meteorites from A to Z" by Jensen, Jensen and Black. Don´t know, if Anne has any copies for sale? The book is very handy and I have it in use much more than The Cataloque of Meteorites. And if you chooce this option, it might be, you´ll get a book + clothes from Santa, the price is very reasonable...;- Thank you very much Pekka for the recommendation. And for listing all 17 Alabama meteorites. The first edition of "Meteorites from A to Z" is now sold out, I don't have any left. But we are working on the Second Edition, and we are planning on having it ready for the Tucson Show. And we will include a lot of NWA, Sahara, Oman,etc, in fact all the numbered meteorites that have been accepted by the Meteorite Society. We are also re-doing the index, the introduction, and adding a short chapter on Antarctica. We will let you all know as soon as it is off the press! And thanks for asking. Anne M. Black www. IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA #2356
[meteorite-list] Some fabulouse new Achondrites for sale.
I have just received some new classifications, they have been submitted, but no NWA # assigned yet. These pieces are fully classified, and are all quite abnormal specimens! I have listed 3 new Eucrites and one new Diogenite. The main masses are all for sale, at very reasonable prices. Please take a look if you want to see some Eucrites very different than any out there for sale right now. Mike Farmer http://www.meteoriteguy.com/NWAU.htmCumulate Eucrite with minor recrystalization. http://www.meteoriteguy.com/NWAV.htmUnbrecciated Subphitic Eucrite (Stannern type). http://www.meteoriteguy.com/NWAX.htmPolymict Cumulate Eucrite. http://www.meteoriteguy.com/NWAT.htmMonomict breccia Diogenite. I am leaving for Germany in the morning, so if you want any of these pieces, you MUST email me tonight so that I dont take them and sell them at the shows there! Thanks Mike Farmer
[meteorite-list] OT:Looking for Dr. Blakeslee
List, If anyone can locate Dr. Donald? Blakeslee's (Kansas) new email address I would appreciate it; thank you. Dirk Ross Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
[meteorite-list] One taken in turn for all the list from BCC
Hello Take a look of this email sent to me from the BCC fake lunar meteorite: We wanted to give you an update on this supposed investigation of BCC Meteorites you mentioned in January of this year. As you may or may not be aware NASA visited our web site almost two dozen times in July of this year. Shortly thereafter in that same month, they filed with the Federal Register, a notice of proposed rule making regarding scientific misconduct in research. This proposal will probably be a part of the CFR (Code of Federal Regulations) and deals a huge blow to you, the Meteorite_List, IMCA and several prominent scientists you depend on for advice, for engaging in bad behavior in science generally. This filing by NASA lays the ground work to address our complaints and they are numerous. Even though this important move by NASA was done quietly with no press conferences, press releases, and fan fare, it should send an important message and level the playing field for everyone. What does it do for us, a VALIDATION of course? Below is a condensed summary of the six page document that can be found online by typing FEDERAL REGISTER on your search engine. Or you can read it at; http://www.bccmeteorites.com/03-18982.pdf I'm sorry to inform you that you lost the battle Matteo because I know you take great pride in your work and your abilities. But you know what? You and the entire group lost the battle before it began because you were not paying attention, you were listening to people who think they are untouchable. That is not the case. is the time to eliminated this person. Regards Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 1463 Response to Howard Wu
Dear List and Howard Wu I own all of the NWA 1463.It is felt to be the most primitive Winonaite. It was presented in Germany this summer at the 66th. Annual Meteoritical Society Meeting. by Dr G. K. Benedix. Distribution 23 grams donated to UCLA. The Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto is getting 1,001 grams. [ presently on loan ]. I still have 16 grams of which some will go to David Weir. It is continuing to be studied at the University of Washington in St. Louis by Dr Benedix. Best regards David Gregory
