Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that?
Some iron fragments have been found from the area, but it`s hard to say, if they are from this bolide yet; FIRST NEWS ON METEORITE RECOVERY. The Spanish researcher Dr. Javier Garcia Guinea of the Museo Nacional de Ciencias Naturales in Madrid and the Centro Superior de Investigaciones Cientificas (CSIC) has made the first analysis to a sample recovered by an individual from the falling area in the North of Palencia. The preliminary analysis seems to be POSITIVE being probably an Iron Meteorite that consist almost entirely of a nickel-iron metal alloy. In case of confirmation we are in the presence of a historic recovery because until this date not orbital information has been obtained on this kind of meteorites. In the next days we plan to extend this information in more detail. http://www.spmn.uji.es/ESP/nov38eng.html Have asked the coordinates of this found from the seller, lets see, if Ill have them, and if so, are they located in Spain or in Siberia...;- pekka s Jerry A. Wallace wrote: Bernhard Rendelius Rems wrote: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 Kind regards, *Bernhard /Rendelius/ Rems* Well, Bernhard, I had the same initial reaction to the pictures that Dave F. did; it sure looked like some Sikhote Alin schrapnel. -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that?
PLEASE DON't MIX UP ALL EUROPEAN DEALERS. my 2 cents MICHEL FRANCO, HUNTER AND DEALER. - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? the European dealers should be proud of Matteo and his rants. ??? and the US-dealers of their prices? Martin A. - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? the problem I have with you is that you stole some Fredericksburg meteorite from me, you bought it, never paid it off, and claim that since it rusted, you need not pay. That makes you a thief. the European dealers should be proud of Matteo and his rants. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? The same I task of meteorites found in America, for me is all imported from the desert and strangely found in USA deserts, and strangely I am not the only one to think them but also persons of some laboratories that strange eh? However I will report several to the European dealers - all serious ones to 100% at the moment, while for the moment the only problems that I have had have been alone with Americans - about what some personages think about they. Matteo --- David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Half the meteorites I see posted from European amatures are fraudulent. I SUSPECT ALL with low credentials. Even here in the United States. Unless they are found by Marines... ;-) Dave Freeman M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: whyis not possible find a iron meteorite in Spain? Or is type the question italian meteorites, impossible to find? If this is a Sikhote alin well, for me the Taza is all sikhote's find in desert see is many many similar, or Etter for me is a NWA put in USAhard give a confirm Matteo --- Jerry A. Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernhard Rendelius Rems wrote: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 Kind regards, *Bernhard /Rendelius/ Rems* Well, Bernhard, I had the same initial reaction to the pictures that Dave F. did; it sure looked like some Sikhote Alin schrapnel. But aside from that, judging from their eBay ad text description, it appears that there are none of the standard descriptors nor expected phrases present in the ad that would lend credibility to their claim of having found a meteorite, with one exception which I will expand on below. Some descriptors and/or phrases that should be present in an ad that would help ensure authenticity are: * ... burned down the barn, the store, the outhouse, etc. * ... frightened- Mama, the horse, the goat, the pig, etc. * ... killed the cow, the dog, the mailman, etc. * ... too hot to touch for three days. * ... set the field, the woods, Charlie, etc., on fire. * ... glowed real bright green, red, blue, etc., all night. * ... melted the shovel, pick, car, cat, etc. * ... picked that little sucker up out of the bottom of the ten foot deep crater that it made. There are, of course, any number of other descriptor/phrases that lend virtually infallible authenticity to what would otherwise be 'questionable meteorites'. But the ones above will give a good start to novices unfamiliar with what to look for in the eBay ads. The one item in the eBay ad description that had a ring of truth to it was the mention that it was found only twenty minutes after falling. I can easily imagine the following scenario (you'll have to excuse me for not illustrating this with people from the towns of Palencia and León in Spain; I have to go with what I'm familiar with): Zeb and Luke are rocking on the front porch of their shack high in the Ozark mountains, in the cool of the evening, imbibing their nightly refreshment. NOTE: Setting not important- same thing can and does happen anywhere in the world. ZEB: Looky thar, Luke, a shootin' star! LUKE: Yep. Shore nuff, Zeb, 'nother one o' them
Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that?
Yep, Michel, Paul, Mike, this was my point, when I cited Mike's remark. I'm a little dissapointed, because whenever I have a meteoritic question to this list, I recieve 0 - 3 answers, but if I steal a cookie from MikeMatteo's 5 o'clock-tea-table, I'll get 8 or 10. (btw anyone there for my mexican greenhorn, who he can ask in Tucson?) For both of them greetings from very Old Europe, hope this helps: ...Sed nunc quoque turpes Litibus exercent linguas pulsoque pudore, Quamvis sint sub aqua, sub aqua maledicere temptant. Vox quoque iam rauca est, inflataque colla tumescunt, Ipsaque dilatant patulos convicia rictus. Martin A. - Original Message - From: Michel Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? PLEASE DON't MIX UP ALL EUROPEAN DEALERS. my 2 cents MICHEL FRANCO, HUNTER AND DEALER. - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? the European dealers should be proud of Matteo and his rants. ??? and the US-dealers of their prices? Martin A. - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? the problem I have with you is that you stole some Fredericksburg meteorite from me, you bought it, never paid it off, and claim that since it rusted, you need not pay. That makes you a thief. the European dealers should be proud of Matteo and his rants. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? The same I task of meteorites found in America, for me is all imported from the desert and strangely found in USA deserts, and strangely I am not the only one to think them but also persons of some laboratories that strange eh? However I will report several to the European dealers - all serious ones to 100% at the moment, while for the moment the only problems that I have had have been alone with Americans - about what some personages think about they. Matteo --- David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Half the meteorites I see posted from European amatures are fraudulent. I SUSPECT ALL with low credentials. Even here in the United States. Unless they are found by Marines... ;-) Dave Freeman M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: whyis not possible find a iron meteorite in Spain? Or is type the question italian meteorites, impossible to find? If this is a Sikhote alin well, for me the Taza is all sikhote's find in desert see is many many similar, or Etter for me is a NWA put in USAhard give a confirm Matteo --- Jerry A. Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernhard Rendelius Rems wrote: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 Kind regards, *Bernhard /Rendelius/ Rems* Well, Bernhard, I had the same initial reaction to the pictures that Dave F. did; it sure looked like some Sikhote Alin schrapnel. But aside from that, judging from their eBay ad text description, it appears that there are none of the standard descriptors nor expected phrases present in the ad that would lend credibility to their claim of having found a meteorite, with one exception which I will expand on below. Some descriptors and/or phrases that should be present in an ad that would help ensure authenticity are: * ... burned down the barn, the store, the outhouse, etc. * ... frightened- Mama, the horse, the goat, the pig, etc. * ... killed the cow, the dog, the mailman, etc. * ... too hot to touch for three days. * ... set the field, the woods, Charlie, etc., on fire. * ... glowed real bright green, red, blue, etc., all night. * ... melted the shovel, pick, car, cat, etc. * ... picked that little sucker up out of the bottom of the ten foot deep crater that it made. There are, of course, any number of other
Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that?
Sorry Martin, I studied latin 40 years ago. I left it behind. Have you a translation in meteoritics !!! Best R. Michel - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? Yep, Michel, Paul, Mike, this was my point, when I cited Mike's remark. I'm a little dissapointed, because whenever I have a meteoritic question to this list, I recieve 0 - 3 answers, but if I steal a cookie from MikeMatteo's 5 o'clock-tea-table, I'll get 8 or 10. (btw anyone there for my mexican greenhorn, who he can ask in Tucson?) For both of them greetings from very Old Europe, hope this helps: ...Sed nunc quoque turpes Litibus exercent linguas pulsoque pudore, Quamvis sint sub aqua, sub aqua maledicere temptant. Vox quoque iam rauca est, inflataque colla tumescunt, Ipsaque dilatant patulos convicia rictus. Martin A. - Original Message - From: Michel Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? PLEASE DON't MIX UP ALL EUROPEAN DEALERS. my 2 cents MICHEL FRANCO, HUNTER AND DEALER. - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? the European dealers should be proud of Matteo and his rants. ??? and the US-dealers of their prices? Martin A. - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? the problem I have with you is that you stole some Fredericksburg meteorite from me, you bought it, never paid it off, and claim that since it rusted, you need not pay. That makes you a thief. the European dealers should be proud of Matteo and his rants. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that? The same I task of meteorites found in America, for me is all imported from the desert and strangely found in USA deserts, and strangely I am not the only one to think them but also persons of some laboratories that strange eh? However I will report several to the European dealers - all serious ones to 100% at the moment, while for the moment the only problems that I have had have been alone with Americans - about what some personages think about they. Matteo --- David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Half the meteorites I see posted from European amatures are fraudulent. I SUSPECT ALL with low credentials. Even here in the United States. Unless they are found by Marines... ;-) Dave Freeman M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: whyis not possible find a iron meteorite in Spain? Or is type the question italian meteorites, impossible to find? If this is a Sikhote alin well, for me the Taza is all sikhote's find in desert see is many many similar, or Etter for me is a NWA put in USAhard give a confirm Matteo --- Jerry A. Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernhard Rendelius Rems wrote: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 Kind regards, *Bernhard /Rendelius/ Rems* Well, Bernhard, I had the same initial reaction to the pictures that Dave F. did; it sure looked like some Sikhote Alin schrapnel. But aside from that, judging from their eBay ad text description, it appears that there are none of the standard descriptors nor expected phrases present in the ad that would lend credibility to their claim of having found a meteorite, with one exception which I will expand on below. Some descriptors and/or phrases that should be present in an ad that would help ensure authenticity are: * ... burned down the barn, the store, the outhouse, etc. * ... frightened- Mama, the horse, the goat, the pig, etc. * ... killed the cow, the dog,
[meteorite-list] Large Fireball observed over Central Germany
Hello list, this morning between 06:30 and 06:37 local time more than 600 people called the authorities in the Mainz / Bingen / Hunsrueck / Eifel area, reporting strange lightning in various colours, visible for at least 8 seconds. At this time the area was mostly cloudy, but two eyewitnesses claimed they saw what seemed to be a meteor trail in a cloudless part of the sky. Another person from the city of Mainz reported a series of sonic booms some 60 seconds after the lightning had vanished. The coluors of lightning were described as intense blue and green. Most people stated that they had never witnessed anything alike before, not even in the two worldwars, as one 98 year old eyewitness underlined. Radio stations continue to report about the incidence, but until now, information ist still to sparsely to draw any conclusions concerning a possible trajectory. Since I live quite close I might take a day day off and drive out to interview some witnesses. Any other information regarding this incident? regards Svend www.niger-meteorite-recon.de [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Nachrichten, Musik und Spiele schnell und einfach per Quickstart im WEB.DE Screensaver - Gratis downloaden: http://screensaver.web.de/?mc=021110 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that?
We were trying to have a bit closer look at the pics of this item, and I just recived a short note from prof. Martti Lehtinen (university of Helsinki) I can aggree. The specimen looks a bit old to be a fresh iron. There may be some troilite inclusions in the sample, but it may also show some rust, but who knows...;- pekka s Some iron fragments have been found from the area, but it`s hard to say, if they are from this bolide yet; FIRST NEWS ON METEORITE RECOVERY. The Spanish researcher Dr. Javier Garcia Guinea of the Museo Nacional de Ciencias Naturales in Madrid and the Centro Superior de Investigaciones Cientificas (CSIC) has made the first analysis to a sample recovered by an individual from the falling area in the North of Palencia. The preliminary analysis seems to be POSITIVE being probably an Iron Meteorite that consist almost entirely of a nickel-iron metal alloy. In case of confirmation we are in the presence of a historic recovery because until this date not orbital information has been obtained on this kind of meteorites. In the next days we plan to extend this information in more detail. http://www.spmn.uji.es/ESP/nov38eng.html Have asked the coordinates of this found from the seller, lets see, if Ill have them, and if so, are they located in Spain or in Siberia...;- pekka s Jerry A. Wallace wrote: Bernhard Rendelius Rems wrote: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 Kind regards, *Bernhard /Rendelius/ Rems* Well, Bernhard, I had the same initial reaction to the pictures that Dave F. did; it sure looked like some Sikhote Alin schrapnel. -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Question about ...
I got a news submission for Wolrd of Meteorites, concerning the sale of a litosiderite what the hell is this? Bernhard
Re: [meteorite-list] Large Fireball observed over Central Germany
Hi, here some pictures from the enlightening of the sky. (reported from Ulrich Rieth to the german meteorite mailing list). http://www.swr3.de/musik/gallery/gallery.php?path=/musik/gallery/aktuell Martin A. - Original Message - From: Dr. Svend Buhl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 10:58 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Large Fireball observed over Central Germany Hello list, this morning between 06:30 and 06:37 local time more than 600 people called the authorities in the Mainz / Bingen / Hunsrueck / Eifel area, reporting strange lightning in various colours, visible for at least 8 seconds. At this time the area was mostly cloudy, but two eyewitnesses claimed they saw what seemed to be a meteor trail in a cloudless part of the sky. Another person from the city of Mainz reported a series of sonic booms some 60 seconds after the lightning had vanished. The coluors of lightning were described as intense blue and green. Most people stated that they had never witnessed anything alike before, not even in the two worldwars, as one 98 year old eyewitness underlined. Radio stations continue to report about the incidence, but until now, information ist still to sparsely to draw any conclusions concerning a possible trajectory. Since I live quite close I might take a day day off and drive out to interview some witnesses. Any other information regarding this incident? regards Svend www.niger-meteorite-recon.de [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Nachrichten, Musik und Spiele schnell und einfach per Quickstart im WEB.DE Screensaver - Gratis downloaden: http://screensaver.web.de/?mc=021110 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about ...
Well, if you mean this beauty, perhaps from Mars?, http://www.meteorite.com.ve/description.html http://www.meteorite.com.ve/description.html it may mean "stoneiderite". Litos = stone...;- And we seem to have a new currency in Europe in use, I can pay in Eurus...perhaps this is a message from the little green men, dont speak so proper "earth" , so lets take this seriously... pekka s Bernhard \"Rendelius\" Rems wrote: I got a news submission for Wolrd of Meteorites, concerning the sale of a litosiderite what the hell is this? Bernhard -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[meteorite-list] the hartmans
Hi list.Does anyone know if both RON and JIM Hartman are going to be in tucson this year?I never really got to meet RON for very long, I had to leave to go home.Let me know. steve arnold, chicago. = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Large Fireball over Germany
Hi List, we have just recalled the films from our meteor observing cameras in order to check out the bolide of this morning at 6:33 CET. The fireball passage time lies within the exposure time of our camera stations. Unfortunately the weather was very poor. Regards Dieter __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about ...
Hi, It is just a suspicious rock until Mr. Rodriqez has it properly verified and classified by a classifying institution. Your question should be directed to him. He should take the same steps everyone else does. An inexperienced Florida analyst issued a meteorite certificate. He had never seen a meteorite except in pictures. Amazingly, he claimed a piece of 'power station chimney build-up' (removed by cleaning) was 'a meteorite' due to iron and nickel content. If it is genuine, let the experts describe it. I'm suspicious of anyone who wants recognition without going through the proper steps. Best, ken #9632 Bernard \Rendelius\ Rems wrote: I got a news submission for Wolrd of Meteorites, concerning the sale of a litosiderite what the hell is this? Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] re: large fireball over central Germany
Hello Svend, Many reports from Belgium on the VVS mailinglist. Contact Philippe Mollet (e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Marco -- Dr Marco Langbroek Leiden, the Netherlands 52.15896 N, 4.48884 E (WGS 84) e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek weblog: http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek/iss_log.html -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about ...
Good Call Ken! DF Maybe it's just a litto meteorite :-P . magellon wrote: Hi, It is just a suspicious rock until Mr. Rodriqez has it properly verified and classified by a classifying institution. Your question should be directed to him. He should take the same steps everyone else does. An inexperienced Florida analyst issued a meteorite certificate. He had never seen a meteorite except in pictures. Amazingly, he claimed a piece of 'power station chimney build-up' (removed by cleaning) was 'a meteorite' due to iron and nickel content. If it is genuine, let the experts describe it. I'm suspicious of anyone who wants recognition without going through the proper steps. Best, ken #9632 Bernard \Rendelius\ Rems wrote: I got a news submission for Wolrd of Meteorites, concerning the sale of a litosiderite - what the hell is this? Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fireball Seen Over Colorado
http://www.cloudbait.com/science/fireball20040111.html January 11, 2004 Fireball Cloudbait Observatory Guffey, Colorado This slow, bright meteor was seen by residents of Colorado at 7:05 PM. It was also caught on two of the DMNS Allsky Network cameras. 175 witness reports have been received as of January 20 (small black squares on the map below). The initial information suggests that this fireball began south of Rifle, Colorado, and traveled eastward just south of I-70, ending over Aurora, a Denver suburb. The total path length was about 155 miles, and the speed was about 10.5 miles per second. The fireball was traveling in a level path at a height of about 44 miles. The radiant was probably in Aquarius. Meteorites may have dropped in the area around the Buckley Air National Guard station. Residents should be alert for rocks with a fresh black crust, or for signs of recently disturbed dirt, possibly resembling a small animal burrow. This fireball is particularly interesting because of its date. Many witnesses reported similar fireballs on January 11 of 1998 and 2001. DMNS Allsky cameras also recorded bright fireballs on this date in 2002 and 2003. [Map] [Image] This is an image of the fireball from the Guffey School allsky camera. The meteor begins at the left, and travels nearly a quarter of the way across the sky, almost parallel to the horizon. The gaps in the trail are an artifact of the camera that made the image. Because the event was so long (12.5 seconds) the camera had to periodically stop and save the image, and those breaks show up as gaps in the trail. A 384 KB animated GIF of this fireball can be seen here. If you saw the fireball and have not made a report, please do so here: http://www.cloudbait.com/science/fireballs.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Global Surveyor Images - January 15-21, 2004
MARS GLOBAL SURVEYOR IMAGES January 15-21, 2004 The following new images taken by the Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC) on the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft are now available: o Granicus Valles (Released 15 January 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/01/15/index.html o Frosty Polygons (Released 16 January 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/01/16/index.html o Dunes in Twilight (Released 17 January 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/01/17/index.html o Pavonis Mons (Released 18 January 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/01/19/index.html o Lyot Crater in Winter (Released 19 January 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/01/19/index.html o Layers Near South Crater (Released 20 January 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/01/20/index.html o Daedalia Wind Streak (Released 21 January 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/01/21/index.html All of the Mars Global Surveyor images are archived here: http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/index.html Mars Global Surveyor was launched in November 1996 and has been in Mars orbit since September 1997. It began its primary mapping mission on March 8, 1999. Mars Global Surveyor is the first mission in a long-term program of Mars exploration known as the Mars Surveyor Program that is managed by JPL for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, DC. Malin Space Science Systems (MSSS) and the California Institute of Technology built the MOC using spare hardware from the Mars Observer mission. MSSS operates the camera from its facilities in San Diego, CA. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory's Mars Surveyor Operations Project operates the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft with its industrial partner, Lockheed Martin Astronautics, from facilities in Pasadena, CA and Denver, CO. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Specialists at NASA Spar On Where Mars Rover Should Go
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/01/21/specialists_at_nasa_spar_on_where_mars_rover_should_go/ Specialists at NASA spar on where Mars rover should go By Beth Daley The Boston Globe January 21, 2004 PASADENA, Calif. -- The room went wild when Spirit hit the Martian dirt. With six wheels on the blush-colored surface Thursday morning, scientists at mission control here traded high fives and hugs. But there was still trouble ahead: No one could agree where it should go next. Chief scientist Steve Squyres wanted the rover to investigate a pyramid-shaped rock nearby. Some geologists had their hearts set on a far-off crater. And the mission's engineers wanted the rover to stay put so they could test its instruments for three days. After three painstaking years of building, launching, and precisely landing the spacecraft in Gusev Crater, the rest of the $410 million rover's itinerary is a blank page. And with Spirit's life span expected to be just a few months, each decision is loaded with urgency. Where we are going is a fundamental question, and it can get emotional, said John Grotzinger, 46, an MIT sedimentologist helping to figure out where the rover should go. In NASA's ambitious new quest to find signs of past water on the Red Planet, control of the vehicle now largely rests with a 50-member science team at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. The team includes geologists, soil analysts, and others -- each of them a specialist who sees Spirit as key to unlocking a different part of the Mars mystery. To create a kind of road map for the mission, Grotzinger helps lead a small group of a half-dozen scientists who try to lay out agendas for the rover. They meet at the start of every Martian day and work in shifts of 12 hours or longer, fueled by coffee and a huge supply of free ice cream. On Thursday, it was midnight in California when they gathered under a red sign marked Long-Term Planning. As data streamed in, scientists approached the group's members to debate the merits of possible sites. Their immediate goal was to ensure that the Spirit is visiting the most interesting rocks and patches of soil in its quest for signs of water. But larger questions loomed: Should the rover spend its limited time exploring one small swath of Mars? Or should it push toward the hills more than a mile away in hopes of seeing something unexpected? At the end, you go with the best available science, Grotzinger said. The National Aeronautics and Space Administration has established a few rules of the road. Spirit should travel at least 1,000 feet during its mission. It should visit at least four localities, although scientists aren't exactly sure what constitutes a locality. It should use its instruments, including cameras and spectrometers that can identify elements in rocks and soil, as well as a rock abrasion tool. But those guidelines leave most of the mission up in the air. Going to a distant cluster of rocks may reveal round boulders put there by rivers. Checking out the lip of a crater may show layers of sediment that could point to liquid water. And in the simplest nearby rocks, minerals could show they were formed in the presence of water. Once Spirit landed safely on Mars, the scientists began to argue about what to do if it survived the short drive off its lander. Should it go to a nearby depression dubbed Sleepy Hollow? Engineers did not want Spirit to move while they tested out its instruments. But this idea ate at the other scientists: By remaining in place, Spirit would be restricting itself to an area that was both dirtlike and pebbly. That mixture, at least for a first experiment, would yield confusing information. Earlier in the week, when Spirit was still on the platform, Rob Sullivan, a Cornell planetary geologist, made a persuasive plea to the full science team to send Spirit to a rock first. I see every day costing $4.5 million, he said later. And what science do we get? The clash of agendas is familiar in fields such as planetary science, in which researchers wait years for the results of a tiny number of high-priced missions. Space telescopes inspire the same jostling for time as do deep-sea submersibles and particle accelerators. But the eyes of the world are on this rover the size of a golf cart. At best, it could last six to nine months before Martian dust covers its solar panels, and at worst it could suddenly succumb. In a week,Spirit needs to be someplace scientifically interesting, Grotzinger said. That's when its twin spacecraft, Opportunity, is supposed to touch down on the other side of the planet. Many scientists will be involved in that landing and may need to leave Spirit in place for three days. As each option is aired, the long-term group creates decision trees on a giant computer board. Among others, the tree answers one pressing question: If we move the rover here, where could it end up for its three-day visit? It's like a chess game, said David DesMarais,
[meteorite-list] One cent ebay sale tonight
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/meteorite-hunter/ Hi everyone, I have ~50 meteorite auctions ending tonight, all but 3 started at one cent, some great pieces, prices couldnt get any lower. They sell where they end tonight. http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/meteoritehunters/ Be sure to see both of my ebay user id's. Thanks Mike Farmer
[meteorite-list] Tucson information
Well, it is that magical time of year again. The wonderful sunny Tucson show. The tents are all up here and cargo is piling up along the highway. I will share a room with Eric Olson again this year. We will exhibit at the INN Suites on Granada and 5th street. Room #184. I can be reached on my cell phone night and day at (520) 730 4754. My home # is 520 743 3007. I will be setting up on Thursday the 29th, and totally open for business on Friday the 30th. Of course, at the beginning of the show I will also be running around seeing what else is here, so you might have to call me. I will have some beautiful meteorites on display at the show, most for sale, some not. I have a large amount of new things, that are just being announced at the show, never seen before, so bring some dough or trade items and see some very rare meteorites. One is a new impact-melt breccia that makes Cat Mountain look boring! It will make it's debut in my room. I look forward to seeing EVERYONE here, and we will all have a great time. Thanks Mike Farmer http://www.meteoritehunter.com
[meteorite-list] USA meteortites.
DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Mike and others,I accept your back handed slap with dignity. It was deserved. I too miss Bernd. He was my favorite list personality when I first became a member. Over time I noticed he posted less and less. It is no wonder with all the crap that has gone on in he last two years including my own idiotic posts at times.From here on I propose to stay within the lines of reason, and will try with my best effort to keep from attacking anyone...especially towards a select few who will still drive me crazy with just about every post they make.If I can't do so, I will recognize it and volunteerly move on and leave the list also...without a problem. My apologies to all...including Matteo, I agree whole-heartedly John. I miss Bernd too, as he was the DataHound/Librarian of our list and he is/will be sorely missed. It's a shame it came to this to make him leave. However, I don't apologize to Matteo. He's been inserting his jabs on Americans for a couple of years now. And that isn't even the issue. The things he complains about, he is the biggest offender. So, according to Matteo, Robert Verish, Rob Matson, Nick Gessler and all the other crew are seeding the SW deserts with NWA's for new finds? There are no other people who keep such stringent records of their findsLat/Long, person who finds it, time of day, size, weight, classification, leave a marker, etcneed I say more? The source of these allegations is preposterous. You owe all these people a big apology. Why is an African desert more prone for finds than an American one? Why does an Italian salt-water ocean beach produce such a fresh find? Beats me!Lido de Dave__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] New Mars Rock Hints At Past Water (NWA 1950)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3414143.stm New Mars rock hints at past water By Dr David Whitehouse BBC News January 21, 2004 A rock found in the Atlas Mountains of southern Morocco in 2001 has been confirmed as Martian in origin. The meteorite's chemical signature was checked out by researchers at the UK's Southampton Oceanography Centre. The team that found it was led by experienced meteorite hunters Carine Bidaut and Bruno Fectay, who have now found six rocks from Mars - a record. The meteorite would have been blasted off the Red Planet by an impact and may hold clues to Mars' watery past. Space oddity It was picked up by a local worker on an isolated plateau in the mountains at a location which is now being kept secret because of fears it may be spoilt by visitors. For 30 years the locals have been searching the region for fossils so they know the area very well, Bruno Fectay told BBC News Online. A few years ago we taught them to look for meteorites. The rocks of the region are mostly light in colour whereas meteorites are dark, so they can be easily spotted. The meteorite - although in two fragments, they are classified as the same body - has been officially called the North-West Africa 1950, but has been nicknamed the Jules Verne, after the French author. It is described as a peridotite, an extremely rare type of Mars rock consisting of the minerals olivine, pyroxene and plagioclase glass. Planet passport Scientists say the fragments are magmatic rocks. Magmatism is the main process by which water moves from the core of planets to their surface. It is a remarkable experience to hold it in your hand, Bruno Fectay said. When you hold it you are in a Martian magmatic chamber, deep in a volcano under the surface of Mars. We will never be able to go to such a place. This rock is our passport. Further analysis will help clarify the processes that produced magmas on Mars, and perhaps make it possible to estimate the quantity of fluids - and therefore water - released by volcanic activity on the planet in the past. Life on Mars Mars meteorites are extremely rare - fewer than 20 confirmed examples have been identified - and all are believed to come from the same body of rock that was blasted off the planet when it was hit by a large asteroid or comet. They have travelled through space and then fallen to Earth. Martian meteorites are distinguished by their relative youth, being at most 1.3 million years old, compared with 4.5 million years old for other meteorites. They also show evidence of rare gases found in the planet's atmosphere. In 1996 a team of scientists from the US space agency Nasa controversially claimed to have found evidence of past life in a meteorite from Mars. Although they have been exposed to the Earth's weather and contamination from its biosphere, Martian meteorites open a new way to study Mars because they are basaltic rocks formed in the presence of water and so illuminate the story of water on Mars. More to follow Only one other example of a so-called SNC meteorite equivalent to NWA 1950 has been found on Earth - a chunk of rock discovered in Antarctica in 1977. And apart from Nasa, no other scientific laboratory has had the opportunity to examine such a specimen. Bidaut and Fectay have a stock of over 1,000 meteorites waiting to be taken up by financial sponsors so they can be examined in European labs. It takes us a while to get our finds analysed, said Bruno Fectay. We may have more of the remarkable meteorites from Mars waiting to be examined. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mysterious Object Caught On Video Over Kansas City Sky
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/2780356/detail.html Mysterious Object Caught On Video Over Kansas City Sky NORAD Says It Did Not Track Object NBCSandiego.com January 21, 2004 A security camera from a downtown energy corporation captured a bizarre sight in the eastern sky over Kansas City last week. The video shows an object that appears to be slowly falling in the sky around 8:30 a.m. on Jan. 14. Bob Lindsay, a security worker at Trigen Energy Plant, spotted the object on security monitors and asked a co-worker to zoom in on the mysterious image. It had the appearance of more of a really light yellow -- wasn't quite white, wasn't quite yellow, Lindsay said. Lindsay believes he saw a long vessel, like a missile or rocket aircraft with flames shooting over the nose and up its sides. The staff at Trigen has come up with several theories about the nature of the strange image. We got UFOs, we got experimental airplanes -- a jumbo jet maybe? There's a lot of guesses going around, Lindsay said. Kansas City TV station KMBC-TV showed the tape to astronomer Tom Armstrong, who has worked extensively with NASA. Armstrong guessed the object could be man-made space debris, but it's more likely just a meteor skimming across the atmosphere. If you've watched a meteor shower and you put this at night against a star background, you'd probably think meteor, Armstrong said. He added that meteors often give off what looks like a long tale. The North American Aerospace Defense Command, known as NORAD, said it was not tracking any man-made space junk reentering the atmosphere on Jan. 14. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] USA meteortites.
It seem less strange that Americans are finding "fresh" meteorites in the vast western United States by weekenders than that they are all headed to Sahara Africa to '"seed" them here. No one is getting rich of of selling American meteorties.Most are being kept by the finders.There is very little market in them at all. We are talkingalmost exclusively of ordinarychondrites found on dry lake beds not rare types.It would take a giant comspiracy of all these collectors to pull this off and for what reason. I suspect this acquisation stems from a guilty conscience projected onto others. Howard WiDNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I don't apologize to Matteo. He's been inserting his jabs on Americans for a couple of years now. And that isn't even the issue. The things he complains about, he is the biggest offender. So, according to Matteo, Robert Verish, Rob Matson, Nick Gessler and all the other crew are seeding the SW deserts with NWA's for new finds? There are no other people who keep such stringent records of their findsLat/Long, person who finds it, time of day, size, weight, classification, leave a marker, etcneed I say more? The source of these allegations is preposterous. You owe all these people a big apology. Why is an African desert more prone for finds than an American one? Why does an Italian salt-water ocean beach produce such a fresh find? Beats me!Lido de Dave__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] Fw: Ebay Auctions Ending Tonight!
- Original Message - From: Michael Cottingham To: Michael Cottingham Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: Fw: Ebay Auctions Ending Tonight! Hello Everyone, Please check out my auctions that are ending tonight! Go to: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/meteorite-collector/ Thanks Best Wishes Michael Cottingham
RE: [meteorite-list] New Mars Rock Hints At Past Water (NWA 1950)
Hi, list -- This article, and ones like it, have been going round for a couple months, and need a bit of clarification. This meteorite, NWA1950, seems very similar to the Martian lherzolites, like ALHA77005, LEW88516, Y-793605, YA-1075 (and possibly GRV 9927). It is great to see, but (from what I know of it) is not all that different from other samples we now have. Nor are lherzolites all that rare among the Martian meteorites. Now if it were a true peridotite like Chassigny - that would be rare! I see nothing in the data on NWA1950 that 'hints at Mars water.' The article says there are fewer than 20 Martian meteorites -- by my last count, there are 30. The article says that And apart from Nasa, no other scientific laboratory has had the opportunity to examine such a specimen ... (like NWA1950). This is just plain wrong. The NASA specimen they talk about, ALHA77005, has been studied by laboratories all over the world, including in France. Ditto the other similar meteorites not mentioned by the article (LEW88516 and Y-793605). Part of ALHA77005 is even curated in Japan! NASA does not keep the US-collected Antarctic meteorites to itself. They are distributed widely, to every researcher who has a legitimate scientific study. An international advisory committee screens the requests, and recommends allocations of the US Antarctic meteorites. Allan Allan H. Treiman Senior Staff Scientist Lunar and Planetary Institute 3600 Bay Area Boulevard Houston, TX 77058-1113 281-486-2117 281-486-2162 (FAX) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ron Baalke Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 11:12 AM To: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: [meteorite-list] New Mars Rock Hints At Past Water (NWA 1950) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3414143.stm New Mars rock hints at past water By Dr David Whitehouse BBC News January 21, 2004 A rock found in the Atlas Mountains of southern Morocco in 2001 has been confirmed as Martian in origin. The meteorite's chemical signature was checked out by researchers at the UK's Southampton Oceanography Centre. The team that found it was led by experienced meteorite hunters Carine Bidaut and Bruno Fectay, who have now found six rocks from Mars - a record. The meteorite would have been blasted off the Red Planet by an impact and may hold clues to Mars' watery past. Space oddity It was picked up by a local worker on an isolated plateau in the mountains at a location which is now being kept secret because of fears it may be spoilt by visitors. For 30 years the locals have been searching the region for fossils so they know the area very well, Bruno Fectay told BBC News Online. A few years ago we taught them to look for meteorites. The rocks of the region are mostly light in colour whereas meteorites are dark, so they can be easily spotted. The meteorite - although in two fragments, they are classified as the same body - has been officially called the North-West Africa 1950, but has been nicknamed the Jules Verne, after the French author. It is described as a peridotite, an extremely rare type of Mars rock consisting of the minerals olivine, pyroxene and plagioclase glass. Planet passport Scientists say the fragments are magmatic rocks. Magmatism is the main process by which water moves from the core of planets to their surface. It is a remarkable experience to hold it in your hand, Bruno Fectay said. When you hold it you are in a Martian magmatic chamber, deep in a volcano under the surface of Mars. We will never be able to go to such a place. This rock is our passport. Further analysis will help clarify the processes that produced magmas on Mars, and perhaps make it possible to estimate the quantity of fluids - and therefore water - released by volcanic activity on the planet in the past. Life on Mars Mars meteorites are extremely rare - fewer than 20 confirmed examples have been identified - and all are believed to come from the same body of rock that was blasted off the planet when it was hit by a large asteroid or comet. They have travelled through space and then fallen to Earth. Martian meteorites are distinguished by their relative youth, being at most 1.3 million years old, compared with 4.5 million years old for other meteorites. They also show evidence of rare gases found in the planet's atmosphere. In 1996 a team of scientists from the US space agency Nasa controversially claimed to have found evidence of past life in a meteorite from Mars. Although they have been exposed to the Earth's weather and contamination from its biosphere, Martian meteorites open a new way to study Mars because they are basaltic rocks formed in the presence of water and so illuminate the story of water on Mars. More to follow Only one other example of a so-called SNC meteorite equivalent to NWA 1950 has been found on Earth - a chunk of rock discovered in
[meteorite-list] ad - ebay auctions and new webpage
Hi Everybody! Finally I have added some new ebay auctions. Including a small and pretty slice of DaG 400 without reserve starting at $ 0.01. Go check them out if you like. http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/meteoriten/ Thank you and Good Luck to anyone bidding. Also I would like to announce that Sergey Vassiliev and myself have put our webpages together. Go check the new pages out and let us know what you think. www.sv-meteorites.com or www.m3t3orites.com Either address is still working! Best Regards Moritz Karl Gutzkowstr. 77 60594 Frankfurt Germany
[meteorite-list] A rocky meteorite probably fell down in the North Sea.
I have some information to add about this 17th January 9:00 a.m. case which I recently posted. There are now at least 2 articles online about this story: http://aftenbladet.no/nyheter/lokalt/article.jhtml?articleID=186681 http://aftenbladet.no/nyheter/lokalt/article.jhtml?articleID=186854 They are in norwegian only, but please look at the picture. The resolution is bad, but the colors are correct. What do you folks get out of it? Very strange colors for an airliner contrail, I would think!? Also some detailed information from a distant observer have now come forward. Relative to the location of the video-photographer, (from which the photo in the above two articles have been grabbed) he is placed ~60 deg. apart. The distance between them is about 175 km. His location is the town of Lillesand east of Kristiansand on the coast. He called a radio station saying an aeroplane had exploded in mid-air. The 1st observer in Sandnes gives a rough azimuth direction of SE (=135 deg.). The 2nd observer in Lillesand gives a direction of S-SW (=202.5 deg.). It is possible to refine this values, but the general area now seems to be fixed. The meeting of the two sighting lines is a point 40-50 km S-SSE of the regional main capital of Kristiansand, but alas over the ocean (Skagerak)! This might explain why no booms have been reported so far - as I know of. A very interesting piece of information is that the observer in Lillesand says the dark end part of the cloud is pointing more or less straight downwards. This effectively excludes an aeroplane in this case. He also observed it very high in the sky. His explaination of the cloud is very similar to the photos. Unfortunately the case has possibly been destroyed in Norway, because the newspaper called two astronomers which has no experiences with meteor science. One is a well know solar researcher, the other's speciality is nuclear reactions in stars. They automatically exclaimed: Ah, contrail! Regards, Bjørn Sørheim __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the hartmans
We shall both be there if plans go as we hope.(Thurs. thru Sunday and for the auctions)Anyone wanting membrane boxes should advise me ahead of time so I can have your order with me. There are some new sizes and shapes including a 100 mm x50 mm x 25mm (#12) and soon a 16mm deep (#11) box. Many of you have been asking for something larger than a micro box but smaller than the #23 100 x 75 mm box. See the website. Thanks! Ron HartmanProfessor of Astronomy Department of Earth Science AstronomyMt. San Antonio College PLANETARIUM1100 N. Grand AvenueWalnut, CA 91789 - Original Message - From: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 6:27 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] the hartmans Hi list.Does anyone know if both RON and JIM Hartman are going to be in tucson this year?I never really got to meet RON for very long, I had to leave to go home.Let me know. steve arnold, chicago. = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that?
Hello Everyone, I have been off the list since 1/02 and have just re-subscribed. I am very disappointed to learn that Bernd has left the list but I am not completely surprised. To those who are (relatively) new to the list, Bernd is an extremely knowledgeable meteorite collector. A high school teacher in Germany by profession, he contributed much to this list for many years. He compiled huge amounts of information regarding meteorites and was quick to supply a requested reference. His database was huge and his willing to share his information with list members was even larger and he provided character and class to the list. I personally will miss his contributions. -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Slice and End Piece SALE
I just built a webpage with over 50 slices and end pieces of NWA meteorites. See here: http://www.meteoriteshop.com/slicesalepage.html I havent polished them but they are priced really cheaply. I built this page to add to my main website but if anybody wants anything listed I can offer a 20% discount from my indicated prices. Paypal the preferred form of payment and postage is extra Sincerely DEAN BESSEY http://www.meteoriteshop.com/slicesalepage.html __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Scientists Investigating Possible Meteorite Fall in Southwestern Germany
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Science/2004/01/21/320098-ap.html Scientists investigating possible meteorite crash in southwestern Germany Associated Press January 21, 2004 BERLIN (AP) - Scientists in Germany said they suspect the country's southwest was hit by a meteor fragment last night after numerous residents reported seeing a bright flash in the sky and hearing a loud sound like a thunderclap. Callers to radio station SWR1 reported seeing green and blue lights at around 6.30am local time in the states of Rhineland Palatinate and Baden-Wuerttemberg. Scientists from the German's air and space administration were hoping that cameras it has aimed at the skies might be able to provide them with evidence of what happened, though footage was not expected to be available until Thursday at the earliest. Walter Flury, from the European Space Agency, said the noise and lights indicate the possibility of a meteor fragment between 10 and 30 centimetres long hurtling through Earth's atmosphere. Whether it made impact would depend on a range of factors like if the piece was made of iron or stone, he said. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] pictures of Mars lookalike rocks from PA
Hello all, I've posted a couple pictures of some of my rocks from PA on the World of Meteorites site that make me think of what Mars rocks might look like. I've included the dark metadiabase(a gabbro) that I commented on the other day that I think looks like the stuff we are seeing in the rover pics. I also included are 1.6 billion year old pieces of gabbro, olivine gabbro, peridotite, and anorthosite (more like the moon). The gabbro pieces sure look like shergottite to me and others. There is another excellent picture from Matteo on the page that is a piece he got from me a couple years ago. Enjoy and join my dream of having loads of Mars rocks one day just like this pile. John http://www.worldofmeteorites.com/modules.php? set_albumName=album13op=modloadname=galleryfile=indexinclude=view_album.ph p __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] pictures of Mars lookalike rocks from PA
looks like you can't go to the page directly. If you are a member of the site...then take a look at the meteorwrong page to see these cool rocks. John Hello all, I've posted a couple pictures of some of my rocks from PA on the World of Meteorites site that make me think of what Mars rocks might look like. I've included the dark metadiabase(a gabbro) that I commented on the other day that I think looks like the stuff we are seeing in the rover pics. I also included are 1.6 billion year old pieces of gabbro, olivine gabbro, peridotite, and anorthosite (more like the moon). The gabbro pieces sure look like shergottite to me and others. There is another excellent picture from Matteo on the page that is a piece he got from me a couple years ago. Enjoy and join my dream of having loads of Mars rocks one day just like this pile. John http://www.worldofmeteorites.com/modules.php? set_albumName=album13op=modloadname=galleryfile=indexinclude=view_album.ph p __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Mission Status - January 21, 2004
MEDIA RELATIONS OFFICE JET PROPULSION LABORATORY CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION PASADENA, CALIF. 91109 TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov NEWS RELEASE: 2004-027 January 21, 2004 4 p.m. PST MARS EXPLORATION ROVER MISSION STATUS Ground controllers were able to send commands to the Mars Exploration Rover Spirit early Wednesday and received a simple signal acknowledging that the rover heard them, but they did not receive expected scientific and engineering data during scheduled communication passes during the rest of that martian day. Project managers have not yet determined the cause, but similar events occurred several times during the Mars Pathfinder mission. The team is examining a number of different scenarios, some of which would be resolved when the rover wakes up after powering down at the end of the martian day (around midday Pacific time Wednesday). The next opportunity to hear from the vehicle is when the rover may attempt to communicate with the Mars Global Surveyor orbiter at about 8:30 p.m. Pacific time tonight. A second communication opportunity may occur about two hours later during a relay pass via the Mars Odyssey orbiter. If necessary, the flight team will take additional recovery steps early Thursday morning (the morning of sol 19 on Mars) when the rover wakes up and can communicate directly with Earth. Full details on the rover's status will be described in the next daily news conference Thursday at 9 a.m. Pacific time at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, which will be broadcast live on NASA Television. - end - __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] pictures of Mars lookalike rocks from PA
I clearly remember from the Mars Pathfinder days, when people were contacting me because they thought they had Mars meteorites in their backyard. They're look exactly like the rocks in the Mars Pathfinder images, they would say. They have to be from Mars!. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] On-Line Spacewatch Volunteer Discovers Close-Approaching Asteroid
ON-LINE SPACEWATCH VOLUNTEER DISCOVERS CLOSE-APPROACHING ASTEROID From Lori Stiles, UA News Services, 520-621-1877 January 21, 2004 --- Contact Information Robert S. McMillan 520-621-6968 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stu Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Related Web sites Spacewatch - http://spacewatch.lpl.arizona.edu/ FMO Project and discovery images - http://fmo.lpl.arizona.edu/FMO_home/index.cfm - A volunteer who analyzes on-line images for the University of Arizona Spacewatch program has discovered a 60-to-120-foot diameter asteroid that will miss Earth by about 1.2 million miles tomorrow, Jan. 22. While the asteroid is no cause for alarm, its discovery marks a milestone in a new project that relies on volunteers to spot fast-moving objects, or FMOs, in Spacewatch images. Even if asteroid 2004 BV18 hit Earth head-on, it would only create a bright flash of light in the upper atmosphere, and possibly streaks of light as asteroid fragments heat to incandescence while they rocket across the sky. In other words, a bright meteoric display known as a bolide, said Robert S. McMillan, who directs UA's Spacewatch. The asteroid appeared in images taken by Spacewatch astronomer Miwa Block with the 0.9-meter telescope at 1:49 UT on Jan. 19, which is 6:49 p.m. MST on Jan. 18. Volunteer Stu Megan reviewed the images on the Internet, and spotted the asteroid's light trail. Megan is part of a Web-based program that Spacewatch made public last October through a grant from the Paul G. Allen Charitable Foundation. It's hard to explain the excitement when you find a fast-moving asteroid, Megan said in an E-mail message. Megan is semi-retired from a 35-year career in information technology and an amateur astronomer who is interested in finding potentially hazardous asteroids. A resident of Tucson, he has reviewed close to 6,500 Spacewatch images during the past three months. When I saw (this light trail), it just sat there screaming at me. It was very, very bright and a perfect length. I knew it could be nothing else. Three observatories made follow-up observations of the asteroid, so scientists at the Minor Planet Center could compute its orbit. The Minor Planet Center gave Asteroid 2004 BV18 its provisional designation yesterday. (A provisional designation is one that's adopted until the asteroid's orbit is known well enough that astronomers won't lose it.) The center also published the discovery and follow-up studies in the Minor Planet Electronic Circular yesterday. The asteroid is classified as an Apollo asteroid because it is on average slightly farther from the sun than the Earth is, but its modest orbital eccentricity causes it to occasionally cross Earth's orbit. At the time Megan discovered the asteroid, it was six times farther from Earth than the Earth is from the moon. Seen from Earth, it appeared to move across the sky at about 6.5 degrees per day, or about the diameter of 13 full moons. At closest approach tomorrow, it will be five times the distance between Earth and the moon. Spacewatch operates 1.8-meter and 0.9-meter CCD-equipped telescopes on Kitt Peak, about 45 miles southwest of Tucson, Ariz. The project studies solar system dynamics through the movements of asteroids and comets. Spacewatch also finds potential targets for interplanetary spacecraft missions and hunts for objects that might pose a threat to Earth. The 0.9-meter telescope typically takes two-minute-long exposures, and objects closest to Earth move so quickly through the telescope's field of view that they trace a line on the sky image. Objects orbiting farther from Earth appear to move more slowly, just as an airplane flying at 40,000 feet appears to move slower than it does at takeoff. Computer software has a hard time detecting FMO light trails because they vary greatly in length and direction. Human observers are still much better than computers at finding FMOs in Spacewatch images. But the work is too time intensive for on-duty Spacewatch observers. So the astronomers have turned to 30 volunteers for help. FMO project volunteers are based in the United States, Germany, and Finland. They would gladly accept more. The only requirements are interest, sharp eyes, and access to a computer when astronomers are operating Spacewatch telescopes on Kitt Peak. More details on how to volunteer for the FMO Project are on the Web at http://fmo.lpl.arizona.edu/FMO_home/index.cfm Our reviewers are students, people with full-time jobs, retired they run the gamut, McMillan said. While our most dedicated volunteers tend to be members of the amateur astronomy community or at least have a strong interest and knowledge of astronomy, we have members who have just begun to climb the learning curve. We hope that our Website helps fuel curiosity and participation in science in general, as well as provide a productive outlet for those eager to apply their computer skills,
Re: [meteorite-list] pictures of Mars lookalike rocks from PA
the meteorwrong page is in the gallary section of http://www.worldofmeteorites.com/index.php And the address I gave previously does work directly if you get it all in the address box. Enjoy, JD looks like you can't go to the page directly. If you are a member of the site...then take a look at the meteorwrong page to see these cool rocks. John Hello all, I've posted a couple pictures of some of my rocks from PA on the World of Meteorites site that make me think of what Mars rocks might look like. I've included the dark metadiabase(a gabbro) that I commented on the other day that I think looks like the stuff we are seeing in the rover pics. I also included are 1.6 billion year old pieces of gabbro, olivine gabbro, peridotite, and anorthosite (more like the moon). The gabbro pieces sure look like shergottite to me and others. There is another excellent picture from Matteo on the page that is a piece he got from me a couple years ago. Enjoy and join my dream of having loads of Mars rocks one day just like this pile. John http://www.worldofmeteorites.com/modules.php? set_albumName=album13op=modloadname=galleryfile=indexinclude=view_album.ph p __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] pictures of Mars lookalike rocks from PA
OOPS last post on this...I mean the Meteorite Museum section...not the gallary Thanx, JD the meteorwrong page is in the gallary section of http://www.worldofmeteorites.com/index.php And the address I gave previously does work directly if you get it all in the address box. Enjoy, JD looks like you can't go to the page directly. If you are a member of the site...then take a look at the meteorwrong page to see these cool rocks. John Hello all, I've posted a couple pictures of some of my rocks from PA on the World of Meteorites site that make me think of what Mars rocks might look like. I've included the dark metadiabase(a gabbro) that I commented on the other day that I think looks like the stuff we are seeing in the rover pics. I also included are 1.6 billion year old pieces of gabbro, olivine gabbro, peridotite, and anorthosite (more like the moon). The gabbro pieces sure look like shergottite to me and others. There is another excellent picture from Matteo on the page that is a piece he got from me a couple years ago. Enjoy and join my dream of having loads of Mars rocks one day just like this pile. John http://www.worldofmeteorites.com/modules.php? set_albumName=album13op=modloadname=galleryfile=indexinclude=view_album.ph p __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] test delete
Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] HTML help on ebay?
Hello List, if one of you computer experts are bored and looking for something to do, would you help me? I placed a meteorite auction on ebay today and my daughter was kind enough to write me some HTML codes so it would look better. She put two addresses so we could add pics to the description area but they did not show up. She did the same thing for my IMCA logo and it worked. She looked at the view source page and the code was there, but not working. She's young and never did an ebay auction before so be kind! : ) You can see the auction at this link; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219851859 Also, why you are there, you might as well bid. Remember, why bid once when you can bid twice and pay twice as much! : ) Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Anyone know this eBay seller?
G'day, Just wondering if anyone knows or knows of a seller on eBay by the name: myrmecolog I've been trying to get shipping costs for an auction I won a couple of weeks back but they haven't returned any emails. I think they are a French mineral dealer. Cheers, Jeff KuykenI.M.C.A. #3085www.meteorites.com.auwww.meteoritesaustralia.com
[meteorite-list] New Nevada meteorite find
Hi List, Here is a picture of a Nevada meteorite found Jan. 2004. The largest piece was found 20 feet away from the other three large pieces (which were about 3 feet apart). 27 smaller fragments were found within a 75 foot vicinity. When I found the largest piece only a small point of the top was sticking out of the ground. I was pleasantly surprised after I photographed it and dug it up that it was almost 2.5 pounds!! The total weight is 4.69 pounds. I still have to piece together the rest of the fragments. I have taken in situ photos and GPS readings also. I was having difficulty getting a web page up with links so if you would like to view the picture you can download it with this email. Sonny
[meteorite-list] Nevada picture not sent
Hi List, I got a message that the email may not go through due to the size of the message. I will try to set up a link tomorrow. Sorry to inconvenience anyone. Sonny
[meteorite-list] Finally the Nevada meteorite picture!
Hi List, Ken was nice enough to offer me a link for my photo of the Nevada find. http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/temp/smaller13.jpg This is the last time I promise! Sonny
Re: [meteorite-list] Finally the Nevada meteorite picture!
In a message dated 1/21/2004 11:01:22 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ken was nice enough to offer me a link for my photo of the Nevada find. http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/temp/smaller13.jpg This is the last time I promise! This looks like a great puzzle. I hope you are not planning on selling it. Anne M. Black www. IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA #2356
