[meteorite-list] Re: Plessite
Thanks for your comments Jeff. That makes sense as far as my understanding of metal meteorite goes. Maybe I should get the handbook of iron meteorites (~$1400). As I am sure you know, Kamacite and Taenite both form in crystals. Plessite I would then imagine is a certain pattern of the Kamacite and Taenite crystals. I am a stone collector myself so my ignorance in iron meteorites is showing. But now, I guess I can look at my Taza etched pieces, and the unusual almost star like etch it creates...likely mimics this pattern to some degree(?). So then, if I took nickel out of my Tinnie, being it is a axatite, or I guessI should say, if it would have formed at a differenttemperature and thereforehad a different degree of nickel in it,it might create a pattern close to Taza when etched. While this was a private message Jeff, I think this might be of interest to the group and perhaps some iron expert out there can add to this,I hope you don't mind. (If anyone can reference me to a meteorite book other the handbook of irons on this subject, I might own it). Mark Bostick Strangelytalking about meteorites on the e-mail group...:-) - Original Message - From: Jeff Kuyken Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 11:11 PM To: MARK BOSTICK Subject: Plessite G'day Mark, The way I understand it is that Kamacite and Taenite are actually metallic iron minerals. Plessite is a mixture of these two but not actually a mineral in itself. Hope this helps. Cheers, Jeff KuykenI.M.C.A. #3085www.meteorites.com.auwww.meteoritesaustralia.com - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK To: Meteorite List Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson 2004 and questions Hello Everyone, My typically long show report is finished, and should be up on my column at MeteoriteTimes shortly. I won an item I believe at the Lang auction, if someone who has their e-mail address handy could forward this e-mail to themI would appreciate it. (I think I won the Guffey). I purchased a part slice of Tinnie (NM) in Tucson. It is a plessitic axatite. I know Taza is a plessitic octahedriteso now I wonder...what does plessitic mean? I wanted to get one of Dorothy Norton's Mammoth books at the auction but because I was working it, didn't find the chance. Could you please e-mail me Dorothy or would someone please forward this e-mail to her so that she knows I am interested. (Fred Hall mentioned it was a good). Ok, enough I's. Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com
[meteorite-list] AD Super Nice Whole Millbillillie
To Interested Parties, I have a Millbillillie posted on eBay and ending in two days. It is a real beauty and has 100% fusion crust with very light orange clay on about 30% of the stone. It also is orientated with nice distinguished flow lines running down the edges. There are a couple of small impressions that have finer flow lines radiating out. This stone is pretty much as found and no extensive cleaning has been performed due to the better landing environment and pristine condition. Asking price is pretty low considering the quality and what an average Millbillillie Stone goes for these days. All my best! Item number: 2223477562 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2223477562category=3239 --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] new meteorites and thin sections
Good morning list.Just want to update you all on my nevada meteorite puzzle.I got back thin section pictures of it.I'll have them up on my website tonight.So far it looks like an H5, with lots of metal flecks and dark brown matrix with very dark chondrules.Of the new meteorites I got from tucson they are:ALBIN PALLASITE (7.6 GRAMS),BARWELL (1.7 GRAMS),ESTHERVILLE (37 GRAMS),GASCOYNE JUNCTION (62.8 GRAMS),GIBEON (1.689 KILO'S),GREAT BEND (33 GRAMS),MORELAND (4.8 GRAMS),NWA 3175 (4.7 GRAMS),NWA 1109 (4 GRAMS,NWA 1692 (29.1 GRAMS),NWA 1650 (5.1 GRAMS),NWA 1068 (MARS,1.0 GRAM),RED ROCK (46.9 GRAMS),SHEEPHOLE VALLEY (5.1 GRAMS),SANTIAGO PAPASQUIERO (150.6 GRAMS,and finally THUATHE (15.1 GRAMS).Not a bad haul.This puts an end to my tucson reporting.Next and finally last my pics will finally be up tomorrow night.Everone have a great day. steve arnold, chicago, usa!! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] More Info, Franconia Meteorite
Hello List I got a few emails asking for more infoaboutthe Franconia, It's in Northwestern Arizona, Franconia is an abandon R/R stop, not a city, but is the name forexit 13on I-40,35 miles west of Kingman Arizona, 13 miles east of the Colorado river and California Border. About 100 miles south of Gold Basin area. The land is BLM and part wilderness area, It's averylarge area, as large a gold basin, but muchlarge hills and mountains, and ridges of very old lava flows. Thanks for your time Keith ChandlerAZ
[meteorite-list] UK and ESA Announce Beagle 2 Inquiry
European Space Agency Paris, 11 February 2004 Press Release N° 09-2004 UK and ESA announce Beagle 2 inquiry - Investigation to learn lessons from Mars Lander Beagle 2, the British-built element of ESA's Mars Express mission, has failed to communicate since its first radio contact was missed shortly after it was due to land on Mars on Christmas Day. The Beagle 2 Management Board met in London on Friday 6 February and, following an assessment of the situation, declared Beagle 2 lost. Today, the UK Science Minister Lord Sainsbury and the European Space Agency (ESA) announced that an ESA/UK inquiry would be held into the failure the Beagle 2 lander. Lord Sainsbury, of the Department of Trade and Industry, said: I believe such an inquiry will be very useful. The reasons identified by the Inquiry Board will allow the experience gained from Beagle 2 to be used for the benefit of future European planetary exploration missions. The ESA Director General, Jean-Jacques Dordain, said : ESA is a partnership of its Member States and sharing the lessons learnt from good and bad experiences is fundamental in cooperation. The Inquiry Board is to be chaired by the ESA Inspector General, René Bonnefoy. The UK deputy chairman will be David Link MBE. The inquiry will investigate whether it can be established why Beagle 2 may have failed and set out any lessons which can be learnt for future missions. Such inquiries are routine in the event of unsuccessful space missions and this one will help inform future ESA robotic missions, to Mars and other bodies in the solar system. The Inquiry Board will be set up under normal ESA procedures by the Inspector General. Because the inquiry is into a British-built lander, it will report to Lord Sainsbury as well as to the Director General of ESA. Its terms of reference are as follows: 1. Technical Issues · Assess the available data/documentation pertaining to the in-orbit operations, environment and performance characterisation, and to the on-ground tests and analyses during development; · Identify possible issues and shortcomings in the above and in the approach adopted, which might have contributed to the loss of the mission; 2. Programmatics · Analyse the programmatic environment (i.e. decision-making processes, level of funding and resources, management and responsibilities, interactions between the various entities) throughout the development phase; · Identify possible issues and shortcomings which might have contributed to the loss of the mission. The Board, made up of people with no direct involvement in the Beagle 2 mission, is expected to begin work shortly and report by the end of March 2004. The key players in the Beagle 2 mission, including Colin Pillinger, the Open University, the University of Leicester, the National Space Science Centre, EADS-Astrium, and BNSC partners have all welcomed the setting up of the Inquiry Board. Notes to Editors The Beagle 2 project to make a lander element of the ESA Mars Express mission was headed by the Open University, providing the science lead, and EADS-Astrium, the prime contractor responsible for the main design, development and management of the lander. David Link is a former Director of Science and Radar Observation at Matra Marconi Space, now EADS-UK. Beagle 2 was designed to look for signs of life on Mars. It was to parachute down to the surface of the planet and collect soil samples, which would have been analysed for signs of past and present biological activity. The lander was also packed with a suite of instruments to take pictures, acquire geological information and study the weather, including temperature, pressure and wind. The Beagle 2 lander was funded through a partnership arrangement involving the Open University, EADS-Astrium, the DTI, the Particle Physics and Astronomy Research Council (PPARC), the Office of Science and Technology and ESA. Funding also came from the National Space Science Centre and the Wellcome Foundation. UK principal investigators for Beagle 2 came from the Open University (gas analysis package), Leicester University (environmental sensors and x-ray spectrometer) and Mullard Space Science Laboratory (imaging systems). The ESA Mars Express spacecraft, the mother ship, successfully entered orbit around Mars on Christmas Day and, following a series of orbital manoeuvres, has been performing excellently as it starts its two-year global survey of the planet. Among first results announced on 23 January were unprecedented 3-D high-resolution images of the surface and the detection of water ice on the South Pole. For further information, please contact : ESA Media Relations Division Tel: +33(0)1.53.69.7155 Fax: +33(0)1.53.69.7690 BNSC Press Enquiries: +44(0)20 7215 0806/0905 (Out of hours: +44(0)20 7215 3234/3505) Public Enquiries: +44(0)20 7215 5000 Textphone (for people with hearing impairments): +44(0)20 7215 6740 http://www.bnsc.gov.uk
[meteorite-list] Mars Global Surveyor Images - February 5-11, 2004
MARS GLOBAL SURVEYOR IMAGES February 5-11, 2004 The following new images taken by the Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC) on the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft are now available: o South Polar Scene (Released 05 February 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/02/05/index.html o Wind-Streaked Slopes (Released 06 February 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/02/06/index.html o Exhuming South Polar Crater (Released 07 February 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/02/07/index.html o Polygons in Seasonal Frost (Released 08 February 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/02/08/index.html o MGS MOC Image of Mars Exploration Rover, Opportunity, on Mars (Released 09 February 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/02/09/index.html o Stripped Crater Floor (Released 10 February 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/02/10/index.html o Sand Dunes in Noachis Terra (Released 11 February 2004) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/02/11/index.html All of the Mars Global Surveyor images are archived here: http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/index.html Mars Global Surveyor was launched in November 1996 and has been in Mars orbit since September 1997. It began its primary mapping mission on March 8, 1999. Mars Global Surveyor is the first mission in a long-term program of Mars exploration known as the Mars Surveyor Program that is managed by JPL for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, DC. Malin Space Science Systems (MSSS) and the California Institute of Technology built the MOC using spare hardware from the Mars Observer mission. MSSS operates the camera from its facilities in San Diego, CA. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory's Mars Surveyor Operations Project operates the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft with its industrial partner, Lockheed Martin Astronautics, from facilities in Pasadena, CA and Denver, CO. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tucson Notes Part 2 of 3
Dear List Members, In case any of you are interested we would like to share some of our Tucson show experiences. This will be part two of three. On the fourth day Steve Drummond received a phone call and had to head back to California. We were sorry to see him leave as he is always a lot of fun at these shows and in the field. This caused a slight problem since we were depending on him for transportation at the show. Luckily there was one rental car left on the lot and we could see why. It was the ugliest green sedan we have ever seen. It looked as if it had gone through a meteor shower or maybe a hail storm. Every panel had small dents in it. The lack of choices left us driving this clown car the rest of the show. We were careful to park it out of sight of our competitors who would have a heyday with it. We had a few meetings with dealers that day and continued to look around for anything new. The next day we went to the airport to pick up Zann. She had no problem spotting the green rental car and finding us at arrivals. She took one look at the car and renamed it the Green Hornet and this name stuck the rest of the show. We then headed to the Reed's room where she got the chance to meet some of the characters she had been hearing about for months. She was quickly accused of bringing the rain from Seattle with her which she of course denied. She was impressed at how much fun everybody was having and could see why these shows are talked about long after they are over. The following day we went to San Xavier to look at the old mission dating back to the late 1600s. It was nice to walk around and check the place out. Later we found ourselves out side of the Reed's room again where a large group had gathered. This gave us a chance to meet more collectors as they were just getting into town. Between breaks in the weather we looked around and tried to make a few more deals. There was not much new from the Moroccan dealers, just a bunch of deceiving terrestrial stones. Since they are more aware that planetary pieces sometimes look like ordinary rocks they have been picking up way more terrestrial material. We went for some Sushi and called it a semi-early night. The next morning the sun was shining prompting us to check out all of the outdoor booths. We received a phone call from Robert Matson who kindly checked out the condition of Wilcox Playa for Sunday's hunt. It was not in any condition to be searched because of the recent rains. This was very disappointing because over 30 people expressed an interest in going there on Sunday. We must thank Robert because this saved us a half of day of checking it ourselves. We still cannot believe he actually spent the night of the dry lake, this shows true dedication. A Wilcox hunt will be planned agian for next year. Later, we eventually ended up in chairs soaking up the sun outside of the Reed's room. This time Mike Farmer and Jim Strope showed up. Mike was blocking my sun so I decided for fun to throw some trash on him. Mike asked what the heck I was doing and I said I must have confused him for a trash can. Mike got even in short order. He grabbed a plastic pop bottle with some soda still in it and smashed it with his foot. Pop sprayed everywhere including Zanns shirt which was left on a chair. I told Mike he better split because she was not going to be happy. The rest of the group which consisted of about a half a dozen people backed away awaiting the confrontation. I could tell Mike was nervous because of the look on his face. Zann was prompted to come out and see the damage. She knowing that things like this happen pretended to be upset. It was fun watching Mike trying to explain what happened. Mike then somehow shifted the blame to me. I hate it when that happens. Anyway, it was worth a good laugh and no real damage was done. Will be continued later starting with the infamous margarita birthday bash. All the best, Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More Info, Franconia Meteorite
Hi All, I have several slices of Franconia, one of which is on my website.You can view it at http://www.meteoritebiz.com/franconia-az.html Also, please note that Franconia is still just a provisional name. I'm hoping it will be announced in the next MetBull Best regards, Bob Holmes From: Arizona Keith To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 10:31 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] More Info, Franconia Meteorite Hello List I got a few emails asking for more infoaboutthe Franconia, It's in Northwestern Arizona, Franconia is an abandon R/R stop, not a city, but is the name forexit 13on I-40,35 miles west of Kingman Arizona, 13 miles east of the Colorado river and California Border. About 100 miles south of Gold Basin area. The land is BLM and part wilderness area, It's averylarge area, as large a gold basin, but muchlarge hills and mountains, and ridges of very old lava flows. Thanks for your time Keith ChandlerAZ
[meteorite-list] Cold Motor Causes Spirit To Remain Parked For A Day
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/040211spirit.html Cold motor causes Spirit to remain parked for a day BY JUSTIN RAY SPACEFLIGHT NOW February 11, 2004 A missed communications window caused by a cold antenna motor on the Mars Exploration Rover Spirit prevented the robot from racking up any additional distance on its odometer Tuesday night. Yesterday was an operational issue day with Spirit. We did not get the morning high-gain antenna pass. As a result of that, we did not get sequences loaded up (into the rover), project manager Pete Theisinger told reporters in a teleconference today. As the Sun rose for the start of Spirit's 38th workday on Mars, the Pancam Mast Assembly was creating a shadow on the high-gain antenna gimbal motors. The motors have heaters to ensure they are warm enough to move. But the cold temperatures in the shadow were too great for the heaters to overcome, causing the motors to stall when trying to point the lollipop-shaped antenna to face Earth. The colder you get, the more current you have put into the motors to get it to move. So we set those limits. Because we were in the shade, we did not set high enough current limits for the motors, Theisinger explained. When we first started to do the high-gain antenna session yesterday, we started out by going to a (calibration), which goes to a hard-stop. The way the motor knows it has gone to the hard-stop is it stalls against the hard-stop. Because we had set the current limits so low, it stalled immediately, thought it was at the hard-stop. Then when it continued on with its high-gain antenna session, it was pointed off in a different direction than we expected. So we got no data down. We did a high-gain antenna session later in the day when things had warmed up. That went just fine. We looked at all of the telemetry, and everything is just perfect. It was just this failure to understand that we are going to run cold in the morning and we need to either wait till later in the day when the shadow left the actuators or apply more heat with the heater we have. We've taken steps to fix that operationally now so we don't have those issues in the future. Without having the high-gain antenna session in the morning, controllers weren't able to load the day's driving commands into the rover. That situation plus diagnosing what situation we had and making sure we were really okay took all of the day. So they chose not to drive yesterday, Theisinger said. Once the communications trouble began, controllers began troubleshooting to narrow the possible cause. You really don't try and prejudge until you get to the end of the story, Theisinger said. They got a beep from the low-gain (antenna) and that told them the sequence didn't get in, and it also told them that at least at the time of the beep the telecommunications channel was working just fine. And so they thought maybe they had a high-gain antenna pointing problem. They commanded a low-gain session and they got that, and so they knew once again the telecommunications was fine. And that comes down with a whole bunch of fault information, which said we were not in fault protection and there were not fault responses running. So that was a whole bunch of good news. The question then became why did the high-gain antenna session not happen? Engineers determined the problem had to be a mis-pointing of the high-gain antenna. Since the rover was not in X-band fault, Spirit didn't know the antenna was facing the wrong direction. In addition, controllers determined that Spirit had marked all of the telemetry as sent, meaning the craft thought it had completed a communications session with Earth using the antenna. That got them pretty much focusing on thermal pretty quickly. So I don't think they were too alarmed as they walked through the possible scenarios. They got on the trail pretty quickly. On the upcoming Sol 39 workday at begins Wednesday evening (U.S. time), Spirit will snap microscopic imaging of tiny dunes to its left and then drive upwards of 25 meters on its continuing trek to Bonneville Crater. Meanwhile, the Opportunity rover remains healthy as it drives along the bedrock outcropping, taking imagery and science data. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mike Millers and Ruben Garcias new strewn fields are not part of the Franconia Meteorite
Hi List, Arizona Keith is partially correct, for months Mike Miller and myself have been working a number of different strewn fields!! To date we have many classifications pending and all are in arizona. Having said that, we are not yet ready to divulge the exact coordinates. However, we do know that while all the excitment surrounding the Franconia and other large chondrites seen at the tucson show is fun. They are in NO WAY related the meteorites we have pending in classification. This according to Gary Huss of Arizona State University with whom we have just had another meeting. As far as price we wouldn't even venture a guess as we don't even know what we have. Runen Garcia __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Doubtful DaG476 on ebay..
Hi list, St.Magellon Divelbiss help! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2224881954category=3239 Item # 2224881954 I found this DaG 476 browsing ebay and in my opinion it is not directly looking like DaG 476, nor like an Shergottite at all. What are your opinions? Greetings! Martin A. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Newbie Tucson report, part 2 of ?
Hi List, Continuing my report from yesterday, it's Friday night at La Fuente, and the back room is packed with a Who's Who of meteorite hunters, collectors, dealers and writers. If a bolide had chosen that moment to impact 1749 North Oracle, the damage to the private meteorite collecting world would have been inestimable! My first order of business was to track down Geoff Notkin, which took about 15 seconds. I've been a great fan of Geoff's from afar, as we share a lot of interests aside from meteorites, and have similar senses of humo(u)r. (It is no exaggeration to say that one of my main reasons for going to Tucson this year was to finally meet him in the flesh.) I only wish we had had more time to shoot the shinola. Geoff: if you're ever in southern California, you're welcome at my flat. I met so many people for the first time at La Fuente, that's it's hard to know where to begin. Jim Kreigh (Mr. Gold Basin) has long been a hero and inspiration to me, so it was an honor to shake his hand and introduce myself. Speaking of Gold Basin, I looked for Larry and Twink, and still don't know how I missed them. ??? I'm sure they were at the party, so it's a mystery to me. Guess I'll have to meet them in the field instead. Richard and Dorothy Norton were naturally very high on my must meet list, and a more friendly couple you'd be hard-pressed to find. At one point I joked to Dorothy that her husband reminded me of Hugh Hefner, and she replied that I wasn't the first to notice the resemblance. All he needed was a silk robe, slippers and a pipe. ;-) I don't feel like I sat much at dinner, as I was always up and about saying hello to someone, but I believe my dinner table partners were all west coast timezone and beyond. Tracy Latimer sat across from me, and among other things we discussed strategies for meteorite hunting in her island state. (I had thought that the Hawaiian islands were too young to have much hope of finding meteorites, but evidently many of the craters have been dormant for thousands of years -- plenty of time!) Our very own Art Jones was a couple seats down -- my personal good luck charm. Last time Art and I got together was meteorite hunting in Nevada, where I made a small, but nicely oriented meteorite find. As hard as it was for me to decide to cut this little guy, I'm very glad that I did. I broke the news to Art that it turned out to be my first (and to date only) meteorite find that isn't an ordinary chondrite. Also at my table were old friends Peter and his son Jason Utas, and Nick Gessler. Terrific meteorite hunters all of them. Dr. Nick and I first met by accident 4 1/2 years ago on Lucerne Dry Lake; he was the first meteorite hunter I ever met, and to this day is still one of the most successful. Peter and Jason are relative newcomers, but have quickly become movers and shakers, both as hunters and collectors. Many of you may recall that Jason was the surprise bidder on the gigantic Taza main mass at Michael Blood's auction in Tucson 2003. Perhaps no one was more surprised than Michael, immortalized by his question Is that a serious bid?! Well, the duo reprised their performance this year at a different venue, acquiring another impressive specimen too large to return with them on the plane. Jason has an early start on everyone as a very successful meteorite hunter, and in time could prove to be the greatest meteorite hunter ever. Remember his name... Well, back to the Birthday Bash. You've all seen the pictures by now of Steve Arnold (IMB), resplendent (perhaps to the point of irreverence grin) in full Native American headdress. The moustache and goatee were a bit out of place, but otherwise Steve would make a great Chief Hassayampa. I still need to download the images from my camera, but once I have perhaps someone would like to host them. I know there's a good one of Steve in there. And speaking of Steves, contrary to Steve Arnold of Chicago's report of disappointment that we didn't meet, we did actually! Shook your hand at La Fuente, big guy! The room was pretty crazy at the time, and I'm now recalling that you wrote something weeks ago about being deaf in one ear -- could well be that I introduced myself from the wrong side of you, and you didn't catch my name. My apologies. About the same time I was up at the front at Steve's table, I briefly said hi to Mark Bostick, who as you've all heard was not feeling at all well. He was as white as a sheet, and it was only later that I learned that it wasn't due to margaritas or oatmeal cookies. Glad to hear you're feeling better, Mark. You looked much improved at Blood's auction Saturday night. It was a pleasure to meet Anne Black -- probably one of the few people who drove further than I did to come to Tucson. Love that accent, and as others have already mentioned Anne comes in very handy when it comes to pronouncing meteorites like L'Aigle, D'Orbigny, Chassigny and Orgueil. I only wish I had
Re: [meteorite-list] Doubtful DaG476 on ebay..
Martin A. wrote: St.Magellon Divelbiss help! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2224881954amp;category=3239Item # 2224881954 I found this DaG 476 browsing ebay and in my opinion it is not directly looking like DaG 476, nor like an Shergottite at all. Hi Martin and list, that's exactly what I thought when I saw the pictures of this DaG 476. My slice (20x30mm) and many others pieces (today at the NHM Bern!) of real DaG 476 I saw, did not at all look like the one on ebay. For me there only 3 possibilities: First; The 2 photos on ebay are very bad Second: It's from a very special part of DaG 476 Third: It's not a DaG 476 What do others think? Peter
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Re: [meteorite-list] Doubtful DaG476 on ebay..
Hi List! I would say that it is not DaG 476 as I know pretty precise what this material looks like. Regards Moritz Karl -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Martin Altmann Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. Februar 2004 22:14 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [meteorite-list] Doubtful DaG476 on ebay.. Hi list, St.Magellon Divelbiss help! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2224881954category=3239 Item # 2224881954 I found this DaG 476 browsing ebay and in my opinion it is not directly looking like DaG 476, nor like an Shergottite at all. What are your opinions? Greetings! Martin A. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Doubtful DaG476 on ebay..
Hi Peter and list! There is no special part of the DaG 476 that looks like that that I know of. Further I think the picture quality is sufficient enough to say that it is not DaG 476. Best Regards Moritz Karl Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Peter Marmet Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. Februar 2004 22:45 An: list Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Doubtful DaG476 on ebay.. Martin A. wrote: St.Magellon Divelbiss help! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2224881954amp;category=3239Item # 2224881954 I found this DaG 476 browsing ebay and in my opinion it is not directly looking like DaG 476, nor like an Shergottite at all. Hi Martin and list, that's exactly what I thought when I saw the pictures of this DaG 476. My slice (20x30mm) and many others pieces (today at the NHM Bern!) of real DaG 476 I saw, did not at all look like the one on ebay. For me there only 3 possibilities: First; The 2 photos on ebay are very bad Second: It's from a very special part of DaG 476 Third: It's not a DaG 476 What do others think? Peter
Re: [meteorite-list] Doubtful DaG476 on ebay..
Martin and others, As you all can see, this is not a huge slice of DaG 476. It looks more like a porophyritic basalt from earth of course. It is not a Mars shergottite, nor an earthly gabbro. Based on the size of the piece when compared to the dime, it is about 4 cm x 3 cm...which would make it about 20 to 30 grams in weight. So at a minimal price of $200/g this piece would be worth about $4,000 to $6,000 (four to six thousand dollars and probably more from most dealers). So starting it at a $10 bid would be huge risk to say the least. Bottom line...this is earth rock and fraud for against our hobby. Below is a link to Eric Twelker's site and his 22 gram piece is listed for $8,500. Now that is what DaG 476 looks like. http://www.alaska.net/~meteor/DAG476.htm I will contact Ken and see how he wants to handle this...in the mean time I'll send the high bidder a note telling him what it is, and is not. Thanx Martin, John Hi list, St.Magellon Divelbiss help! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2224881954category=3239 Item # 2224881954 I found this DaG 476 browsing ebay and in my opinion it is not directly looking like DaG 476, nor like an Shergottite at all. What are your opinions? Greetings! Martin A. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Doubtful DaG476 on ebay..
Hi Martin, The text used for this auction was taken from my website without my permission. This fact, together with the fact that it looks nothing like DaG 476 and that the seller has zero feedback, would make me not bid on this item under any circumstances. Buy from a reputable dealer. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Doubtful DaG476 on ebay..
It's funny to see WHO has placed a bid on that :-) Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Weir Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 11:25 PM To: Martin Altmann Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Doubtful DaG476 on ebay.. Hi Martin, The text used for this auction was taken from my website without my permission. This fact, together with the fact that it looks nothing like DaG 476 and that the seller has zero feedback, would make me not bid on this item under any circumstances. Buy from a reputable dealer. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Next Generation Rover: The Mars Science Laboratory
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/mars_science_lab_040211.html Next Generation Rover: The Mars Science Laboratory By Leonard David space.com 11 February 2004 PASADENA, Calif. -- While the Spirit and Opportunity rovers wheel themselves into the history books of Mars exploration, get ready for the next giant leap in rolling across the red planet. The Mars Science Laboratory is an all-terrain, all-purpose machine, akin to an extraterrestrial Sport Utility Vehicle. To be rocketed toward Mars in 2009, this long-range, long-duration robot is a trend setter. It will scope out Mars like never before to assess that puzzling planet as a potential habitat for life -- past or present -- and help verify if human explorers could exist there in the future. Imaginative engineering Work on MSL is underway here at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL). And it is obvious from the get-go that just getting this mega-rover onto Mars takes a strong dose of imaginative engineering. The Mars Science Laboratory (MSL) would make the first wheels-down landing on the planet. No need for airbags, nor lengthy preparations to get the mobile robot down-and dirty on Mars. This Mars vehicle is lowered onto the surface via a Skycrane and ready for action, said Brian Muirhead, JPL's chief engineer for the MSL. Muirhead admits that the Skycrane idea evokes in some people this is crazy - you've got to be kidding comments. I heard exactly those same words on the airbags, said Muirhead, who was a key leader in the Mars Pathfinder/Sojourner project - NASA's first Mars craft to use airbags. Spirit and Opportunity rovers now scuffing up martian landscape also utilized airbags to reach their respective landing zones. But once you think about it a little bit - the Skycrane is absolutely better than airbags, Muirhead advised. Hang time After diving through the martian atmosphere and then under blossomed parachute, the Skycrane/MSL hardware would be set free to maneuver over Mars. The Skycrane frame carries propellant tanks topped-off with hydrazine propellant, as well as two outriggers - each outrigger equipped with a set of 700-pound thrust rocket motors. This suite of controllable engines first run hot and heavy to slow the structure down. By reducing motor thrusting, the Skycrane eases on down toward Mars. Using guidance and navigation gear, the Mars-bound hardware enters hover mode for a nominal five seconds. In a steady-as-she-goes manner, it hangs in mid-air a mere 15 feet (5 meters) above a pre-determined slice of martian real-estate. From there the MSL slips down a tether to reach Mars. Its depositing duty complete, the Skycrane departs the scene for a crash landing distant from the rover's arrival area. No fuss. No muss. No miles of bouncing. MSL's touchdown speed would be modest: one meter per second. That's like falling from three inches on Earth, Muirhead told SPACE.com . We're six wheels on Mars instantly, he explained. The concept is very solid. One of the things that we really like about this - it's very testable on Earth, Muirhead said. A facility to help flesh out the Skycrane idea is being built at China Lake - a large Navy test complex about 150 miles northeast of Los Angeles. Energizer bunny The MSL's landing ellipse -- the zone in which a spacecraft attempts to land within -- is some 6 miles by 3 miles (10 kilometers by 5 kilometers). That is nearly a factor of ten better than the target zones in which the Spirit and Opportunity exploration rovers came to rest. Where exactly on the red planet MSL is destined to put down is still to be determined. We want to be able to go plus or minus 60 degrees in latitude at any season, Muirhead said. The mobile lab is five times larger than the current wheeled robot design now busily at work on Mars. That class of rover is around 400 pounds (180 kilograms). The heftier MSL could tip the scale at 1,980 pounds (900 kilograms). What drives that weight up is the science gear MSL will tote across the martian terrain -- 10 times the payload of a Spirit/Opportunity-class rover. MSL is designed to operate a full martian year, or two Earth years. At present, Boeing Co. and Lockheed-Martin are working on competing nuclear battery designs for the laboratory. Boeing's Canoga Park, Calif.-based Rocketdyne Propulsion and Power unit is designing a so-called Multi-Mission Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator (RTG), a more powerful version of the RTGs that powered NASA's Viking 1 and 2 Mars landers in the 1970s. While the Multi-Mission RTG would not be as powerful as the RTGs aboard NASA's Cassini Saturn probe, it is designed to be more flexible, adaptable to both the orbiter and lander missions on the space agency's drawing boards. Given a nuclear power plant that it carries, the rover would be the energizer bunny of Mars by going - and going - and going - for a number of years. On Mars, size matters. We believe that a bigger vehicle has a lot more mobility,
RE: [meteorite-list] Doubtful DaG476 on ebay..
It's funny to see WHO has placed a bid on that :-) Let's hope he wins it !! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A Day in the Life of a Martian Scientist
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/spotlight/dayinthelife01.html A Day in the Life of a Martian Scientist Jet Propulsion Laboratory February 08, 2004 Wearing two watches, one for Mars time on the left wrist and one for Earth time on the right wrist, Jim Rice works in three time zones on two different planets simultaneously. Jim is a rover science team member with a Ph.D. in Astrogeology from Arizona State University. Days of the week on Earth don't matter anymore because we're living on Mars time with the rover twins, says Jim in his strong Alabama accent. He beams: Most of us on the rover team are averaging about 4-5 hours of sleep a night. I don't know if it's a.m. or p.m., but I'm loving every minute of it! For at least the next three months, with all of his belongings packed away in a storage unit in beautiful Scottsdale, Arizona, Jim lives in corporate housing in Pasadena, California like many of his fellow science team members from around the world. The furnished apartments are nice and a lot of great restaurants are nearby, but I haven't really had a chance to check them out yet, Rice shrugs without much disappointment. For the passionate scientists and engineers working on the rover mission, digging into a hot dinner is not as exciting as digging into the new data from Mars every day. In the science operations area at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, the windows have been outfitted with special black screens to prevent daylight from taunting any team members into realizing their Mars night is really Earth's day. Scientists and engineers make every second of the mission count by sticking to a fine-tuned schedule to ensure their efficiency. Shifting Schedules 40 Minutes Every Day Mars rotates approximately 40 minutes slower than Earth every day. Since each rover operates when the sun is pumping energy onto its solar panels, the slower rotation of Mars boils down to a longer day in which the mission team can use a science instrument, drive a little farther, or send more data to Earth. Thus, ambitious rover team members have chosen to extend and alter their schedules 40 minutes every day to stay in sync with their twins' day and night schedules on Mars. One day, for example, team members might come in to work at 9:00 a.m. The next day, they'd come in at 9:40 a.m., and the next day at 10:20 a.m., and so on. They end up running multiple laps around Earth's 24-hour schedule throughout the mission. Scientists and engineers utilize every possible second of sunlight on Mars and squeeze in as much action as possible with the rovers. To make life for the rover team ever more fulfilling and confusing, Spirit and Opportunity live on opposite sides of Mars. That means, when one rover is sleeping, the other is awake, putting the rover team in business 24/7 - or 24:40/7! Like all good haggard parents with newborns, the rover team does whatever it takes to listen to their twins' calls around the clock, provide them with the information they need to survive, and steer them in the right direction during every waking moment. The team has multiple shifts of people to cover the rovers 'round the clock. Every day, all day, scientists and engineers are under pressure to utilize finite energy resources as efficiently as possible to make every single day of this 90 day mission as rich and fulfilled as possible, explains Dr. John Callas, Mars Exploration Rover Science Manager. We don't want the rover just sitting on Mars in the daytime twiddling its thumbs, so we assembled the best scientists from around the globe to utilize their instincts in field geology and remote sensing. Then we retrained them over the last two years to be experts in seeing Mars through the eyes and instruments of the rover, John recounts. While the Rover is Sleeping Multiple times every day, team members learn something new about their location on Mars and they must quickly adapt their priorities about what instruments they want to use or where they want to drive. Decisions depend on what new information they receive hour by hour. This mission is a new paradigm in robotic space exploration, John says with a smile. Scientists take in data sent directly to Earth from the rovers and data collected through flyovers of the Odyssey and Mars Global Surveyor orbiters, so they're getting new information to build upon three or four times a day. Historically, scientists could plan out in advance what they wanted to do over the course of their mission, but we had to create a highly trained, nimble team to do science quickly. Within only a few hours of nighttime on Mars, our team must process several hundred images and other data that come down to Earth in pieces at different times from different sources. We turn the bits of data -- zeros and ones -- into higher level products like mosaics and three-dimensional images almost instantly, and then the scientists must assimilate all that information to make
[meteorite-list] Thin Section Sale
Hi all, Thinning out my thin section collection. Have a look and maybe add one to your collection. http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItemsuserid=roman...; include=0since=-1sort=3rows=50 Best regards, Roman Jirasek www.meteoritelabels.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD* Beautiful Slice of Etter Tx, 2370 gr priced to sell
Dear List: I am offering a beautiful full slice of Etter Texas purchased from the Robert Haag Collection. The slice weighs 2370gr and is priced at $2.00 per gram plus shipping and insurance. Photos available to serious buyers.. Total $4740 plus shipping. This may be your only chance to purchase a full slice of this meteorite at this price. Both sides are polished. Thank you. Dirk Ross...Yamaguchi, Japan Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online
[meteorite-list] Ad - unusual and rare meteorites from NWA
Dear List, on my website I have listed some new classified meteorites. All these meteorites are unusual or rare types. A particularly special piece is the new L/LL3 NWA3099. The meteorite is built up from a conglomerate of chondrules and is very fresh and beautiful. I had offer some slices of NWA3099 at Ebay yesterday which were immediately sold. The total known weight of this L/LL3 is only 179 grams and the price is very reasonable. http://www.meteoriten.com/special.html And for all of you who look for fresh and rare meteorites for the price of ordinary NWA869-like material is this offer possibly interesting: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2224768512category=3239 I answer all enquiries and orders in the order of arriving. Please, have a little patience, if I don't immediately answer. Best regards, Stefan SR-Meteorite I.M.C.A. Member#3368 Website url: http://www.meteoriten.com/ Stefan Ralew Kunibertstrasse 29 12524 Berlin Germany __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tucson Notes Part 3 of 3
Dear List Members, In case any of you are interested we would like to share some of our Tucson show experiences. This will be part three of three. Luckily we arrived early at the Birthday Bash because the tables were already half taken at 7:15 and the event was not due to start until 8:00. Getting there early also gave us the chance to meet other meteorite collectors as they entered the room. It was standing room only by 8:00 and the crowd overflowed into the adjoining foyer. Before the event got underway I had a chance to look at Jason Phillips pictures taken while he and Greg were on the last expedition in Morocco. I enjoyed the images as the party patrons were packing in. Zann begin to socialize with the other women who dared to go to Tucson. Seated next to us was Rob Wesel and his wife on one side of the table. On the other was Jason Phillips and his wife. Directly across was Bruno and Carine. It was good to see that the women were have just as much as fun as the men as they sat there giggling. Finally the awards were being passed out with a few announcements in-between. The most interesting announcement was that a bag with the initials C.C. had been turned in as being found. Geoff Notkin was forced to look inside the bag to figure out the owner. Instead he found a bizarre array of items that could only have belonged to a meteorite hunter. A partial list of items: A Russian fur cap A giant sized pair of jeans with one pocket labeled rites and the other wrongs Rainbow colored suspenders hooked to I am guessing a size 60 plus pair of jeans Knee pads still attached to the jeans A giant safety pin holding the rites pocket closed A booked titled Keeping Your Brain Alive A size 60 plus pair of men's briefs with a burn hole in the tail end A pair of flaming tennis shoes with horseshoe magnets attached to the back A bag of astronaut freeze dried ice cream A blow up astronaut doll A gigantic magnetic meteorite degrappler whatever that is A bag of what looked like weed with a couple of joints which Mike Martinez grabbed A NASA tee shirt with the following on the back: CAPTAIN CHONDRITE He is the man Ifins he can't find it Nobody can And finally Captain Chondrite's photo album with baby pictures in it. I think there were several other items that I missed. When the blown out underwear was pulled from the bag my eyes began to tear up I was laughing so hard. Then the baby pictures were passed around and my stomach began to hurt they were so funny, kind of in the Proud Tom format. Since nobody claimed the bag it was decided it would be sold in the Blood auction to raise money for the IMCA. Finally the night came to an end and it looked like everybody had a great time The next evening we found ourselves at the Blood auction. There was an incredible amount of material there filling at least five cases covering about 40 feet of table length. Everything sold for about half price and we took advantage of several bargains. The turn out was incredible with what I am guessing about 150 people. Several comments were made which caused rounds of laughter making it a very fun auction. Michael Blood interacted with the audience which also added to the entertainment. The drinks were flowing from the bar in the back of the building which kept some of the crowd well lubricated which was needed when the Captain Chondrite kit was auction off by Geoff Notkin who stepped in. The following two days were spent recovering from the previous two days. Wishing everybody the best, Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sikhote Birthday + Favorite Photos
Hello list, Around 10:30 in the mourning February 12, 1947 (57 years ago) in eastern Siberia my favorite of all iron meteorites, fell to earth. I have6 original newspapers from the era transcribed on my website. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/znpsikhote.html And in the new few days, I will go through my archives more and see what ones I do not have the site yet. I thought I would also share my favorite Sikhote. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/colsikhote298g.html Itis nearnot my largest but it was at one time one of my first good sized irons and one of the early Sikhotes. Meaning the Sikhotes that had the early treatmentI think they look better then the present Sikhotes. (For they are all rust ball no doult). The following four sikhotes are also some of my favorite meteorites. Oriented meteorites are cool, and these four I purchased all at one time at one of the Denver shows. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/colsikhotegrouplet.html Perhaps others would like to share a photo of their favorite Sikhote. So I ask upon the list, What is your favorite Sikhote? Any cool Sikhote stories? Who has the ugliest Sikhote? C'mon, we want to see it. Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com
[meteorite-list] NP 04-1947 Sikhote, Fesenkov
Paper: Reno Evening Gazette City: Reno, Nevada Date: Monday, April 28, 1947 Page: 9 Russians Study Meteorite Fall MOSCOW, April 28 (AP) - V. G. Fesenkov, chairman of the meteorite committee of the USSR Academy of Science, said today it was possible that a minor planet collided with the earth on Feb. 12, 1947, when a missile, described as a meteorite, fell in eastern Siberia. "It is now becoming increasingly clear," Fesenkov stated, "that it was an exceptional phenomenon in many respects. For one thing some of the fragments smashed through the surface state of soil and penetrated into bedrock, leaving several dozen craters, the biggest of them about 75 feet in diameter. "The combination of circumstances required for a heavenly body to strike our planet with sufficient force to create craters is exceedingly rare." Fesenkov said that it was "quite possible that what happened in the far east was the collision of a minor planet with the earth." He said a Soviet expedition was studying the area where the missile fell.Please visit, www.MeteoriteArticles.com, a free on-line archive of meteor and meteorite articles.
Re: [meteorite-list] Doubtful DaG476 on ebay..
Hi David, Actually he did NOT copy the text from your web site. He copied the header and first three paragraphs verbatim from Erich's web site: http://www.mars.li/DaG476.htm Erich copied his web site from yours! Best, ken newton David Weir wrote: Hi Martin, The text used for this auction was taken from my website without my permission. This fact, together with the fact that it looks nothing like DaG 476 and that the seller has zero feedback, would make me not bid on this item under any circumstances. Buy from a reputable dealer. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Attn: Art, Help for Sergey
Hello Art, Sergey Vasiliev (www.sv-meteorites.com) hasbeen trying to subscribe to the list the last couple weeks without success. If you would help him I am sure he would appreciate it. And if your not Art and reading this check out Sergey's website, he has been busy lately.A new look and several new features since the last time I had peaked...lots of nice old falls.(Please Pay Pal me 10%of your sales for tomorrow Sergey...:-) Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com
