RE: [meteorite-list] Alien Microbes Could Survive Crash-Landing
.. Snip ... Bacteria could survive crash-landing on other planets, a British team has found. Interesting, but they appear to have kinda missed out the 'extreme cosmic radiation' and the heat/cold bit, that would likely kill the little suckers... Best, Mark Ford __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] RE: Enough is Enough is Enough...
Well, I personally think this has been an interesting debate, (mud slinging aside), this is what we need more of, - openness! So what else are we being scammed with? .. Does explain why NWA869 appears to have 'many different lithologies'! ;) Mark Ford __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] re Alien Microbes Could Survive Crash-Landing
Hi, I found this an interesting thread and it got me thinking about the various crafts we send to other planets (ie Mars). I cannot see how one can practically completely 100% sterilise the Mars Rovers - surely any methods required to perform an efficient sterilysis would damage the delicate components - one cannot irradiate thoroughly - it would affect any polymers (at least) used in the construction, nor could one pump it full of ethylene dioxide, or whatever they use as I cannot see that being particularly healthy for the systems... so how is it done? Have we not contaminated Mars with our organic debris already? When I have seen images of the construction of various crafts in the clean rooms - it always amazes me that the engineers, whilst garbed in hats and facemasks, still have quite a percentage of skin showing - which must shed flakes and bugs into the environment. What are the implications then of a Rover 'discovering' signs of life on another world? Can we determine that this material was not just a passenger on Rover and that all we are looking at is our own dirt?! Interesting dave IMCA #0092 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] re Alien Microbes Could Survive Crash-Landing
Drum roll And the answer is ... 'They aint sterile' Just a Token effort Cymbol :) -Original Message- From: Dave Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 September 2004 09:05 To: metlist Subject: [meteorite-list] re Alien Microbes Could Survive Crash-Landing Hi, I found this an interesting thread and it got me thinking about the various crafts we send to other planets (ie Mars). I cannot see how one can practically completely 100% sterilise the Mars Rovers - surely any methods required to perform an efficient sterilysis would damage the delicate components - one cannot irradiate thoroughly - it would affect any polymers (at least) used in the construction, nor could one pump it full of ethylene dioxide, or whatever they use as I cannot see that being particularly healthy for the systems... so how is it done? Have we not contaminated Mars with our organic debris already? When I have seen images of the construction of various crafts in the clean rooms - it always amazes me that the engineers, whilst garbed in hats and facemasks, still have quite a percentage of skin showing - which must shed flakes and bugs into the environment. What are the implications then of a Rover 'discovering' signs of life on another world? Can we determine that this material was not just a passenger on Rover and that all we are looking at is our own dirt?! Interesting dave IMCA #0092 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories
That is certainly a great idea Bernhard. I have also now been trying to keep histories of pieces, no matter what the specimen is. When I resell a collection piece, as well as adding my own label I also include any others that may have come with the specimen when I bought it. When you think about it, what purpose is served to throw them out? Check out my May 2003 Monthly Favourite (http://www.meteoritesaustralia.com/favourite/may2003.html). Through good record keeping this very small ordinary chondrite endcut has an amazing history. It adds immensely to the interest of the piece! Cheers, Jeff Kuyken I.M.C.A. #3085 www.meteorites.com.au - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 1:13 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 What I do (I know it isn't a cure but will certainly help sometimes to keep track of the material I own): If I buy something, I record from whom I bought it. When I sell something, I record to whom I sell and add a letter to the sold piece, asking the new owner to keep a record about source and buyer (if he resells it) as well. I did so from the first piece I bought up to today. However, I do not pass on labels. I make my own when I resell. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mark ford Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:38 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Stephan said: snip ... I think, if a collector buys a slice of a high-priced meteorite, he has a right to know the exact informations about the specimen. Yeah, I agree with that one, how many of us have paid over large sums for material, only to get a slice in a plastic bag with no origin info what so ever!? What we need, is a standard meteorite record card with the history of the specimen on it, (and if the rock gets cut, the card gets copied and the new owner/info gets added to it). Certainly with Lunar and Martian stuff, it might be a good idea.. at least it could be traced almost back to the original finder/purchaser. (and it used to be called a 'LABEL' in my day.. :) Best Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Enough is Enough - Plain Simple!
G'day Stefan / List, Exactly right Stefan! It really is quite simple. If NWA xyz has been classified as a Jupiterite and has a TKW of 200g then that is that. Period!!! If a seller/collector thinks that another stone has come from the same spot and is paired, what right do they have to say it is NWA xyz. No matter how experienced they might be, if they're not qualified then they should say something along the lines of This stone is possibly paired with NWA xyz or have their own authorised analysis done. And for anyone thinking Yeah, but...; stop right there!!! Another list member has mentioned that not long ago several lunar stones were found in the same strewnfield in Dhofar. Recent analysis has shown they belong to at least two sperate falls. If the finder had not been as diligent as they were, the meteorites would likely have just been sold as the same thing! Plain Simple, Jeff Kuyken I.M.C.A. #3085 www.meteorites.com.au - Original Message - From: S. Ralew To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteoryt.net Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Dear Marcin and List, if NWA4000 has a total known weight of 200 g, it would be a little strange, if somebody offers 500 g of NWA4000 for sale. In my opinion the correct way would be that the seller offers the material aspossibly paired with NWA4000 and provides a thin section of the possibly paired material for an examination. Otherwise every collector could classify his meteorites and sell it as NWAxyz. The statemet It looks just the same wouldn't be enough for me as a buyer. Particulary at high-priced meteorites. As a dealer I will have all possibly paired stones of NWA- rare types examined in future by a seperate thin section and I will have the Tkw corrected in the MetBull, if I get paired stones. This seems to me to be a good solution at the moment. I think, if a collector buys a slice of a high-priced meteorite, he has a right to know the exact informations about the specimen. Best regards, Stefan Stefan Ralew SR-Meteorite Collection Berlin/ Germany www.meteoriten.com - Original Message - From: Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Hello List I can understand that when someone classyfy 200g as NWA4000 then other samples above this 200g can be or not the same material. But where is border beetween meteorites that can be sell without classification under similar NWA numbers and other, than can't be sold using NWA numbers that someone own ?? If I CAN'T use NWA1110 and NWA1877 then maybe someone can explaine me why I CAN sell H chondrites from Burkina as Gao-Guenie without classification every kilo for example and noone screaming that Im Thief and sell untested material ? Where is the owner of Gao-Guenie name ? Why he is not screeaming ? Why noone screaming that Bob CANT sell his black peas as Amgala, becouse Ambala is a NWA number from Dr No with TKW 15kg and amgala from Bob is material not include in this 15kg? Or maybe this working only for meteorites 100$/g and more and everything below this price is not worth to write long letters? Or only this is only law for Hupes meteorites ? Only If we have any rules then why they fit only to rare meteorites and for example I can sell ANYTHING as Nwa869 and noone will say anything ? Ofcourse there is also another case. Its a confidence and honesty of every dealer. For example me, If I know that THIS IS Gao then I sell it as Gao. We have a good proverb in poland: If noone know what is the matter, then matter is money PS. This email is not against Hupes. I like You guys. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories
Maybe the IMCA could layout a standard record card, that could be voluntarily adopted? It might even add value to a specimen if it had some sort of traceable history... I would pay more for something with a history to it, I am sure others would. It's done with many other things in life. I know it's obviously not practical to trace right back to the anonymous finder, but a record of who's handled it, or what collection it originates from would be great. Most of us have specimens that where part of the historic collections, but don't even know it because the information has been lost, which is a real pity. Best Mark -Original Message- From: Jeff Kuyken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 September 2004 09:12 To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories That is certainly a great idea Bernhard. I have also now been trying to keep histories of pieces, no matter what the specimen is. When I resell a collection piece, as well as adding my own label I also include any others that may have come with the specimen when I bought it. When you think about it, what purpose is served to throw them out? Check out my May 2003 Monthly Favourite (http://www.meteoritesaustralia.com/favourite/may2003.html). Through good record keeping this very small ordinary chondrite endcut has an amazing history. It adds immensely to the interest of the piece! Cheers, Jeff Kuyken I.M.C.A. #3085 www.meteorites.com.au - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 1:13 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 What I do (I know it isn't a cure but will certainly help sometimes to keep track of the material I own): If I buy something, I record from whom I bought it. When I sell something, I record to whom I sell and add a letter to the sold piece, asking the new owner to keep a record about source and buyer (if he resells it) as well. I did so from the first piece I bought up to today. However, I do not pass on labels. I make my own when I resell. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mark ford Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:38 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Stephan said: snip ... I think, if a collector buys a slice of a high-priced meteorite, he has a right to know the exact informations about the specimen. Yeah, I agree with that one, how many of us have paid over large sums for material, only to get a slice in a plastic bag with no origin info what so ever!? What we need, is a standard meteorite record card with the history of the specimen on it, (and if the rock gets cut, the card gets copied and the new owner/info gets added to it). Certainly with Lunar and Martian stuff, it might be a good idea.. at least it could be traced almost back to the original finder/purchaser. (and it used to be called a 'LABEL' in my day.. :) Best Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Enough is Enough - Plain Simple!
G'morning Jeff, you are right, but If a seller/collector thinks that another stone has come from the same spot and is paired, but the real problem is that you must not only THINK that they come from the same spot but be SURE of it ! the only way is to be on the field, not in dealer shops. And as you said, even in this case, as for the Dho lunars, it is not always 100 % sure that same class meteorite come from same fall. The only way to be sure of pairing is geometrical fitting, otherwise long and deep analyses may say. ( For breccias it is very difficult, for highly shocked like Impact Melt too, ) My 2 cents. Best regards, Michel FRANCO Caillou Noir www.caillou-noir.com BP 16, 100 Chemin des Campènes 74400 Les Praz de Chamonix FRANCE __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories
That is a fantastic idea! CJ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories
Well, yes and no. Yes, because it would add to the documentation of a certain piece. No, because if you are a seller, you do not really want to disclose your source most of the times. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peanut .. Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories That is a fantastic idea! CJ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories
Benr'd, Yes I can see some instances where info would be 'commercially sensitive' fair enough, but 'bought from Morocco' would do as a start for NWA's! A lot of the time however, even basic info is just simply not passed on. This would be a way of making sure it is. Dealers could still produce their own labels in addition if they wish. I don't think a cheap NWA would be worth it, but for specimens of historic value or rare stuff, The history is so important! It saddens me when you get cut specimens from dealers who trade with the museums and institutions, the info about origin is hardly ever passed on, not through commercial interests but because it is not deemed important. For example I have many pieces which I know are ex BM, but I have no Label and no way of telling this! And I have bought many specimens in the past that are finds from the 1800's all they have on them is a sticker from the last dealer with just the name of the meteorite - That can't be good can it? It's obvious most historic stuff would have been through several Famous institutions and collectors before being sold on the open market. What a missed marketing opportunity more than anything else! Best, Mark -Original Message- From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 September 2004 11:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories Well, yes and no. Yes, because it would add to the documentation of a certain piece. No, because if you are a seller, you do not really want to disclose your source most of the times. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peanut .. Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories That is a fantastic idea! CJ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories
Hi All, True story: Dealer B gets specimens from Dealer A. Notices an area ground off the surface of all the specimens. Dealer B gets more specimens from Dealer A. Again notices spot ground off on all pieces. Dealer B calls Dealer A and asks for an explanation and is told that the pieces are coming from a large institutional collection where the specimens are individually numbered. Instead of chemically dissolving off the painted specimen numbers, Dealer A simply ground them off with a bench grinder because it was much faster. Why would the numbers be removed and the collection history prior to Dealer A hidden? It was by request of the institutional collection. The institutional collection wanted to keep the fact that they were releasing specimens from the other dealers and collector in order to avoid being bombarded by trade and purchase requests. I doubt that this story is an isolated incident. For your reading enjoyment, I have addressed collection history in my Acc retion Desk articles at The Meteorite Times. Here are a couple of them: Leaving a Paper Trail http://www.meteoritetimes.com/Back_Links/2002/October/Accretion_Desk.htm Lucky Numbers: Specimen Labels as License Plates from the Past http://www.meteoritetimes.com/Back_Links/2002/November/Accretion_Desk.htm Cheers, Martin - Original Message - From: mark ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:27 am Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories Benr'd, Yes I can see some instances where info would be 'commercially sensitive' fair enough, but 'bought from Morocco' would do as a start for NWA's! A lot of the time however, even basic info is just simply not passed on. This would be a way of making sure it is. Dealers could still produce their own labels in addition if they wish. I don't think a cheapNWA would be worth it, but for specimens of historic value or rarestuff, The history is so important! It saddens me when you get cut specimens from dealers who trade with the museums and institutions, the info about origin is hardly ever passed on, not through commercial interests but because it is not deemedimportant. For example I have many pieces which I know are ex BM, but I have no Label and no way of telling this! And I have bought many specimens in the past that are finds from the 1800's all they have on them is a sticker from the last dealer with just the name of the meteorite - Thatcan't be good can it? It's obvious most historic stuff would have been through several Famousinstitutions and collectors before being sold on the open market. What a missed marketing opportunity more than anything else! Best, Mark -Original Message- From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 September 2004 11:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Historie s Well, yes and no. Yes, because it would add to the documentation of a certain piece. No, because if you are a seller, you do not really want to disclose your source most of the times. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories
Great article! Yeah, Sure it happens, and it shouldn't! I don't see why institutions need to be so cagey, pretty well all institutions exchange material with dealers, it goes with the territory. And it's clear they all have their 'favorite dealers', but I am sure anyone that came to them with the right material would get let in the door. Bottom line - Any so called scientist that requests/grinds off labels to disguise important information should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves... Best, Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 September 2004 13:39 To: Meteorite List Subject: Re: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories Hi All, True story: Dealer B gets specimens from Dealer A. Notices an area ground off the surface of all the specimens. Dealer B gets more specimens from Dealer A. Again notices spot ground off on all pieces. Dealer B calls Dealer A and asks for an explanation and is told that the pieces are coming from a large institutional collection where the specimens are individually numbered. Instead of chemically dissolving off the painted specimen numbers, Dealer A simply ground them off with a bench grinder because it was much faster. Why would the numbers be removed and the collection history prior to Dealer A hidden? It was by request of the institutional collection. The institutional collection wanted to keep the fact that they were releasing specimens from the other dealers and collector in order to avoid being bombarded by trade and purchase requests. I doubt that this story is an isolated incident. For your reading enjoyment, I have addressed collection history in my Acc retion Desk articles at The Meteorite Times. Here are a couple of them: Leaving a Paper Trail http://www.meteoritetimes.com/Back_Links/2002/October/Accretion_Desk.htm Lucky Numbers: Specimen Labels as License Plates from the Past http://www.meteoritetimes.com/Back_Links/2002/November/Accretion_Desk.ht m Cheers, Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories
FYI: when I send out an item to a customer, I always send out a preprinted info sheet which contains, amongst tips how to store and curate your meteorites, a paragraph about the importance of keeping records of them. Here's a (free) translation of this paragraph: Please keep a catalogue of your meteorites - nothing is more annoying than not to know which piece is which, where it comes from and what the significance of the specimen is. Number your meteorites in some way (adhesive stickers - or keep them in numbered boxes/bags), so they can always be associated with their data/history. It's for your own pleasure and safety, since a meteorite without the appropriate info is worth a lot less than a properly described specimen. Apart from that, it doesn't just loose value, it is lost for science as well. This info helps in two ways: it helps my customers to appreciate what they have got, and it helps them to understand that I care for what I sell (which could, in return for the info, help to turn them into return customers). _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mark ford Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 3:15 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: RE: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories Great article! Yeah, Sure it happens, and it shouldn't! I don't see why institutions need to be so cagey, pretty well all institutions exchange material with dealers, it goes with the territory. And it's clear they all have their 'favorite dealers', but I am sure anyone that came to them with the right material would get let in the door. Bottom line - Any so called scientist that requests/grinds off labels to disguise important information should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves... Best, Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 September 2004 13:39 To: Meteorite List Subject: Re: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories Hi All, True story: Dealer B gets specimens from Dealer A. Notices an area ground off the surface of all the specimens. Dealer B gets more specimens from Dealer A. Again notices spot ground off on all pieces. Dealer B calls Dealer A and asks for an explanation and is told that the pieces are coming from a large institutional collection where the specimens are individually numbered. Instead of chemically dissolving off the painted specimen numbers, Dealer A simply ground them off with a bench grinder because it was much faster. Why would the numbers be removed and the collection history prior to Dealer A hidden? It was by request of the institutional collection. The institutional collection wanted to keep the fact that they were releasing specimens from the other dealers and collector in order to avoid being bombarded by trade and purchase requests. I doubt that this story is an isolated incident. For your reading enjoyment, I have addressed collection history in my Acc retion Desk articles at The Meteorite Times. Here are a couple of them: Leaving a Paper Trail http://www.meteoritetimes.com/Back_Links/2002/October/Accretion_Desk.htm Lucky Numbers: Specimen Labels as License Plates from the Past http://www.meteoritetimes.com/Back_Links/2002/November/Accretion_Desk.ht m Cheers, Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories
This is a great idea which could help keeping tracks for successive owners. But to keep a certain independance, there could be a website (with login access) where successive owners of a certain piece could register their ownership. CONCEPT - Here's a complete example (fictionous) : 1. A meteorite hunter finds an Allende individual. He wishes to sell it. 2. This meteorite hunter goes on the website, enters its login/password and creates a file (for example with the ID ALLENDE025). This ID will follow the meteorite from owner to another owner. The file is full with size, weight, presentation (individual, slice, fragment...), picture if any, ... 3. I wish to buy the Allende025 meteorite to the owner. I update the file Allende025 by changing the name of the previous owner and by replacing it with my name. Of course, the previous owner name would be kept for tracking. 4. And the same if I buy the meteorite to a 3rd owner... This database could be validated by IMCA. MY PROPOSAL - As a meteorite collector and website creator, I'm able to build such a site. That's a long work but it could be useful for anyone. I could manage this list, with the acceptance of IMCA authority (I'm an IMCA member also). COST OF WEB HOSTING --- The cost of website hosting (ASP server, 200Mb, fast server, 20Gb transfer volume a month, 5 Access databases) is US$1200 a year with domain name. Anyone wishing to be a member should pay for the service or the hosting could be paid by advertising. Let me know what you think of all this ! Pierre-Marie PELE www.meteor-center.com -- Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories
Hi, Good idea about advising new customers about record keeping, most important that. I give every specimen in my collection a unique number, this is entered into a logbook, along with basic info (name, type, weight etc). I put a label with or on each sample with It's number. The original cards that came with the sample are all kept in a file (and the number is written on the back) The idea being, that if I got kidnapped by aliens or something, someone could pick up my collection and put the appropriate cards with each specimen! (I couldn't rely on my family, they wouldn't know where to start!) Best Mark -Original Message- From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 September 2004 14:46 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories FYI: when I send out an item to a customer, I always send out a preprinted info sheet which contains, amongst tips how to store and curate your meteorites, a paragraph about the importance of keeping records of them. Here's a (free) translation of this paragraph: Please keep a catalogue of your meteorites - nothing is more annoying than not to know which piece is which, where it comes from and what the significance of the specimen is. Number your meteorites in some way (adhesive stickers - or keep them in numbered boxes/bags), so they can always be associated with their data/history. It's for your own pleasure and safety, since a meteorite without the appropriate info is worth a lot less than a properly described specimen. Apart from that, it doesn't just loose value, it is lost for science as well. This info helps in two ways: it helps my customers to appreciate what they have got, and it helps them to understand that I care for what I sell (which could, in return for the info, help to turn them into return customers). _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mark ford Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 3:15 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: RE: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories Great article! Yeah, Sure it happens, and it shouldn't! I don't see why institutions need to be so cagey, pretty well all institutions exchange material with dealers, it goes with the territory. And it's clear they all have their 'favorite dealers', but I am sure anyone that came to them with the right material would get let in the door. Bottom line - Any so called scientist that requests/grinds off labels to disguise important information should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves... Best, Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 September 2004 13:39 To: Meteorite List Subject: Re: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories Hi All, True story: Dealer B gets specimens from Dealer A. Notices an area ground off the surface of all the specimens. Dealer B gets more specimens from Dealer A. Again notices spot ground off on all pieces. Dealer B calls Dealer A and asks for an explanation and is told that the pieces are coming from a large institutional collection where the specimens are individually numbered. Instead of chemically dissolving off the painted specimen numbers, Dealer A simply ground them off with a bench grinder because it was much faster. Why would the numbers be removed and the collection history prior to Dealer A hidden? It was by request of the institutional collection. The institutional collection wanted to keep the fact that they were releasing specimens from the other dealers and collector in order to avoid being bombarded by trade and purchase requests. I doubt that this story is an isolated incident. For your reading enjoyment, I have addressed collection history in my Acc retion Desk articles at The Meteorite Times. Here are a couple of them: Leaving a Paper Trail http://www.meteoritetimes.com/Back_Links/2002/October/Accretion_Desk.htm Lucky Numbers: Specimen Labels as License Plates from the Past http://www.meteoritetimes.com/Back_Links/2002/November/Accretion_Desk.ht m Cheers, Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories
Pierre, Good idea, though it could be a bit labour intensive and I am not sure many people would be very keen on paying for the service every time they sold a stone. An electronic system could work in theory, and it would also be a great way of tracing/recovering stolen material. (A similar technique is already used for oil paintings). But it really only needs to be a paper record card, where each owner writes their name on it, along with any info. If an organization like the IMCA sold the blank cards (a new way of raising funds?) they could retain the right to recall cards if they were misused.. Best Mark -Original Message- From: Pierre-Marie PELE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 September 2004 14:59 To: MeteoriteList Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories This is a great idea which could help keeping tracks for successive owners. But to keep a certain independance, there could be a website (with login access) where successive owners of a certain piece could register their ownership. CONCEPT - Here's a complete example (fictionous) : 1. A meteorite hunter finds an Allende individual. He wishes to sell it. 2. This meteorite hunter goes on the website, enters its login/password and creates a file (for example with the ID ALLENDE025). This ID will follow the meteorite from owner to another owner. The file is full with size, weight, presentation (individual, slice, fragment...), picture if any, ... 3. I wish to buy the Allende025 meteorite to the owner. I update the file Allende025 by changing the name of the previous owner and by replacing it with my name. Of course, the previous owner name would be kept for tracking. 4. And the same if I buy the meteorite to a 3rd owner... This database could be validated by IMCA. MY PROPOSAL - As a meteorite collector and website creator, I'm able to build such a site. That's a long work but it could be useful for anyone. I could manage this list, with the acceptance of IMCA authority (I'm an IMCA member also). COST OF WEB HOSTING --- The cost of website hosting (ASP server, 200Mb, fast server, 20Gb transfer volume a month, 5 Access databases) is US$1200 a year with domain name. Anyone wishing to be a member should pay for the service or the hosting could be paid by advertising. Let me know what you think of all this ! Pierre-Marie PELE www.meteor-center.com -- Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Auction list for tonight. Many large items over $1000 up for one cent.
Subject: Auction list for tonight. Many large items over $1000 up for one cent. Hi everyone, I have loaded alot of meteorites on eBay one cent auctions. They all end tonight. Take a look, grab some end of summer deals for a real bargain. http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=meteoritehunters http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=meteorite-hunter thanks Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories
And ... They would copy or fill out a new record card for each one, (if they want the benefits and better prices traceability would bring).. -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 September 2004 16:09 To: mark ford Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories And what about the many collectors and dealers, who splatter down so many larger historic pieces to subgram crumbs to cash them in ebay?... - Original Message - From: mark ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:15 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories Pierre, Good idea, though it could be a bit labour intensive and I am not sure many people would be very keen on paying for the service every time they sold a stone. An electronic system could work in theory, and it would also be a great way of tracing/recovering stolen material. (A similar technique is already used for oil paintings). But it really only needs to be a paper record card, where each owner writes their name on it, along with any info. If an organization like the IMCA sold the blank cards (a new way of raising funds?) they could retain the right to recall cards if they were misused.. Best Mark -Original Message- From: Pierre-Marie PELE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 September 2004 14:59 To: MeteoriteList Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories This is a great idea which could help keeping tracks for successive owners. But to keep a certain independance, there could be a website (with login access) where successive owners of a certain piece could register their ownership. CONCEPT - Here's a complete example (fictionous) : 1. A meteorite hunter finds an Allende individual. He wishes to sell it. 2. This meteorite hunter goes on the website, enters its login/password and creates a file (for example with the ID ALLENDE025). This ID will follow the meteorite from owner to another owner. The file is full with size, weight, presentation (individual, slice, fragment...), picture if any, ... 3. I wish to buy the Allende025 meteorite to the owner. I update the file Allende025 by changing the name of the previous owner and by replacing it with my name. Of course, the previous owner name would be kept for tracking. 4. And the same if I buy the meteorite to a 3rd owner... This database could be validated by IMCA. MY PROPOSAL - As a meteorite collector and website creator, I'm able to build such a site. That's a long work but it could be useful for anyone. I could manage this list, with the acceptance of IMCA authority (I'm an IMCA member also). COST OF WEB HOSTING --- The cost of website hosting (ASP server, 200Mb, fast server, 20Gb transfer volume a month, 5 Access databases) is US$1200 a year with domain name. Anyone wishing to be a member should pay for the service or the hosting could be paid by advertising. Let me know what you think of all this ! Pierre-Marie PELE www.meteor-center.com -- Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Alien Microbes Could Survive Crash-Landing
The life from Mars fanatics make several leaps of faith in imagining Martian space seeds, full of viable bacteria, raining down from our skies. If we accept that the solar planets are all basically the same age, and life first appeared here a few hundred million years after Earth's formation (the planet was still hot at the time), then this is a pretty small window for a LOT of activity. The infant Mars would have to evolve a hearty bacterial population, suffer a catastrophic impact that ejected bacteria-laden stones back into solar orbit, and those infected Martian rocks would require several million more years of space migration to the Earth---and all of this would transpire in the solar system's first few hundred million years of existence? I'm not saying it's impossible; rather, I'm saying that this is a scenario that is supported by not one shred of evidence. In a message dated 9/14/2004 3:48:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mark ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. Snip ... Bacteria could survive crash-landing on other planets, a British team has found. Interesting, but they appear to have kinda missed out the 'extreme cosmic radiation' and the heat/cold bit, that would likely kill the little suckers... Best, Mark Ford __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Auction list for tonight. Many large items over $1000 up for one cent.
Hi Mike, A question related to your E-bay offer just received (though I am not an E-bay buyer). You are listing Oum Rokba. I purchased that one sometimes in the past, from Blaine Reed (incidently with an accurate descriptive label). I thought the name was officially recognized and the meteorite well documented but never found any official description in the Met. Bulls. later on. Blaine's label gives about about the same description as yours on E-Bay. I contacted Bleine recently for more info but he was not able to tell more. Could you (or anyone) tell me whether Oum Rokba is an official name and where is it described ? Or should that one rather belong to the vast NWA group (if so, which N° ?) Many thanks and best wishes, Zelimir A 08:31 14/09/04 -0700, vous avez écrit : Subject: Auction list for tonight. Many large items over $1000 up for one cent. Hi everyone, I have loaded alot of meteorites on eBay one cent auctions. They all end tonight. Take a look, grab some end of summer deals for a real bargain. http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=meteoritehunters http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=meteorite-hunter thanks Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Enough is Enough - Plain Simple!
G'day Stefan / List, Exactly right Stefan! It really is quite simple. If NWAxyz has been classified as a Jupiterite and has a TKW of 200g then that is that. Period!!! If a seller/collector thinks that another stone has come fromthe same spot and is paired, what right do they have to say it is NWA xyz. No matter how experienced they might be, if they're notqualified then they should say something along the lines of"This stone is possibly paired with NWA xyz" or have their own authorisedanalysis done. And for anyone thinking " Yeah, but...";stop right there!!! Another list member hasmentionedthat not long agoseveral lunar stoneswerefound in the same strewnfieldin Dhofar.Recent analysis has shown they belong to at least two sperate falls.If the finder had not been as diligent as they were, the meteoriteswould likely have just been sold as the same thing! Plain Simple, Jeff KuykenI.M.C.A. #3085www.meteorites.com.au - Original Message - From: S. Ralew To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteoryt.net Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Dear Marcin and List,if "NWA4000" has a total known weight of 200 g, it would be a littlestrange, if somebody offers 500 g of "NWA4000" for sale. In my opinion thecorrect way would be that the seller offers the material as"possibly pairedwith NWA4000" and provides a thin section of the possibly paired materialfor an examination. Otherwise every collector could classify his meteoritesand sell it as NWAxyz. The statemet "It looks just the same" wouldn't beenough for me as a buyer. Particulary at high-priced meteorites.As a dealer I will have all possibly paired stones of NWA- rare typesexamined in future by a seperate thin section and I will have the Tkwcorrected in the MetBull, if I get paired stones. This seems to me to be agood solution at the moment. I think, if a collector buys a slice of ahigh-priced meteorite, he has a right to know the exact informations aboutthe specimen.Best regards,StefanStefan RalewSR-Meteorite CollectionBerlin/ Germanywww.meteoriten.com- Original Message - From: "Meteoryt.net" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 12:35 PMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877 Hello List I can understand that when someone classyfy 200g as NWA4000 then other samples above this 200g can be or not the same material. But where is border beetween meteorites that can be sell without classification under "similar" NWA numbers and other, than can't be sold using NWA numbers that someone "own" ?? If I CAN'T use NWA1110 and NWA1877 then maybe someone can explaine me whyI CAN sell H chondrites from Burkina as Gao-Guenie without classification every kilo for example and noone screaming that Im Thief and sell untested material ? Where is the "owner" of Gao-Guenie name ? Why he is not screeaming ? Why noone screaming that Bob CANT sell his black peas as Amgala, becouse Ambala is a NWA number from Dr No with TKW 15kg and amgala from Bob is material not include in this 15kg? Or maybe this working only for meteorites 100$/g and more and everything below this price is not worth to write long letters? Or only this is only law for Hupes meteorites ? Only If we have any rules then why they fit only to rare meteorites and for example I can sell ANYTHING as Nwa869 and noone will say anything ?Ofcourse there is also another case. Its a confidence and honesty of every dealer. For example me, If I know that THIS IS Gao then I sell it as Gao. We have a good proverb in poland: If noone know what is the matter, then matter is money PS. This email is not against Hupes. I like You guys. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories
Hi again, I have some spectacular meteorites ending tonight, some worth over $500 each listed for one cent. Be sure to get bids in early, I have people email me every auction night who complain that they forgot to bid. Some special items of note: Nice large Thuathe specimen http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?viewItemrd=1item=2268613969 Large Gao http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=2268615133 Of course these are just some of the goodies up for grabs tonight, be sure and see the rest of them by clicking the links below. Over 60 meteorites, click the links below to see them all. http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=meteoritehunters http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=meteorite-hunters Thanks Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AMAZING NEW METEORITE -FELL ON HOUSE!!!
A local newpaper in Venezuela has scooped CNN, NBC and CBS and broken the big story about an amazing new meteorite find (see below). We are sure that this will generate intense scientific interest as well as intense competition amongst the list dealers as they vie to purchase this cosmic beauty. Below is a tranlation of this ground breaking article. Into the hands of carvajalense family meteorite that fell 13 years ago and deserves to be studied. It does about 13 years, as a result of a rain of fleeting stars, phenomenon and astronomical spectacle that every year happens generally once, fell in one of the houses of the parish Glad Field, especially in the house of the Suárez family, of that populated community a small meteorite that could well solve many questions on asteroids and until the origin of the life. The grandmother of the young person David Suárez, witnessed the fall that night, a strange luminous object in the patio of her residence and decided to approach what was a small rock, of about 12 centimeters in length by seven of wide, still warms up by effect of the strong atmospheric effect. She kept the small stone, characterized to have oval and contouring form with beautiful lines brown, yellow color and amber, as if one was beautiful Eggs of Passover made by the Russians like inestimables jewels, like a memory, without knowledge that nothing less had in its hands than many centuries of studies of the cosmos and perhaps of its beginning. After the death of his grandmother, the young person David Suárez decides to take it to science, nevertheless many students of the matter in that time, which they wanted was to cut the rock and to destroy it to study it without contributing nothing in return, in addition without recognizing the inestimable value that represents for science. Suárez, makes the call to the true investigators of the origin of the life and the sidereal space, so that they communicate with him through telephones 2442260 and 2441804. To view this incredible NEW Meteorite click on the link below. http://www.diarioeltiempo.com.ve/secciones/secciones.php?num=47771codigo=nactllve=dos __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories
I personally like the idea of being able to trace the history of meteorites (especially the more historical ones), e.g. by means of having labels of them from the pre-owners. Martin Horejsi shows some nice examples on his website. At it´s best these will be original labels which date back many decades or even more than a century - but these are very rare, and it is more probable that you will get a photocopy in some cases, from the once curated piece which later on was cut. I would have no problems of letting such labels go along with the associated meteorite (if I ever sold it, that is), and I would add my very own collection label - why not? But there is a limit, and this is privacy, depending on the degree of shyness of the individual collector. I know of collectors who would never agree to such a procedure of being involved in tracing - and this is *not* to be misunderstood for bad reasons which they may have. It is just their personal right to do so, for their very own reasons or motives. In my own case, as a long time collector I would give away my own label for a piece, but I would *never* add my name to some sort of paperwork (acting as a wandering cup), with special info lines to be filled up, which would then be passed on to the next owner(s). This would be way beyond my very own line of privacy. We all are different, aren´t we? :-) Just another thought, Alex Berlin/Germany -Recent Message from Mark Ford- And ... They would copy or fill out a new record card for each one, (if they want the benefits and better prices traceability would bring).. -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 September 2004 16:09 To: mark ford Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories And what about the many collectors and dealers, who splatter down so many larger historic pieces to subgram crumbs to cash them in ebay?... - Original Message - From: mark ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:15 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories Pierre, Good idea, though it could be a bit labour intensive and I am not sure many people would be very keen on paying for the service every time they sold a stone. An electronic system could work in theory, and it would also be a great way of tracing/recovering stolen material. (A similar technique is already used for oil paintings). But it really only needs to be a paper record card, where each owner writes their name on it, along with any info. If an organization like the IMCA sold the blank cards (a new way of raising funds?) they could retain the right to recall cards if they were misused.. Best Mark -Original Message- From: Pierre-Marie PELE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 September 2004 14:59 To: MeteoriteList Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories This is a great idea which could help keeping tracks for successive owners. But to keep a certain independance, there could be a website (with login access) where successive owners of a certain piece could register their ownership. CONCEPT - Here's a complete example (fictionous) : 1. A meteorite hunter finds an Allende individual. He wishes to sell it. 2. This meteorite hunter goes on the website, enters its login/password and creates a file (for example with the ID ALLENDE025). This ID will follow the meteorite from owner to another owner. The file is full with size, weight, presentation (individual, slice, fragment...), picture if any, ... 3. I wish to buy the Allende025 meteorite to the owner. I update the file Allende025 by changing the name of the previous owner and by replacing it with my name. Of course, the previous owner name would be kept for tracking. 4. And the same if I buy the meteorite to a 3rd owner... This database could be validated by IMCA. MY PROPOSAL - As a meteorite collector and website creator, I'm able to build such a site. That's a long work but it could be useful for anyone. I could manage this list, with the acceptance of IMCA authority (I'm an IMCA member also). COST OF WEB HOSTING --- The cost of website hosting (ASP server, 200Mb, fast server, 20Gb transfer volume a month, 5 Access databases) is US$1200 a year with domain name. Anyone wishing to be a member should pay for the service or the hosting could be paid by advertising. Let me know what you think of all this ! Pierre-Marie PELE www.meteor-center.com -- Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Fw: Enough is Enough - Plain Simple!
Another list member has mentioned that not long ago several lunar stones were found in the same strewnfield in Dhofar. Recent analysis has shown they belong to at least two sperate falls. If the finder had not been as diligent as they were, the meteorites would likely have just been sold as the same thing! are you talking about the lunars paired with dho 730, and then dho 910 (i think - I'm horrible with numbers). I thought that the two lunars were quite obviously diffrent kinds of lunar material - material that no one would assume is paired because of geographic proximity alone. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AMAZING NEW METEORITE -FELL ON HOUSE!!!
Wow, nice agate egg. I can get those for about $1.50 each in Denver. I hope they arent counting on that meteorite to get rich. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:59 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] AMAZING NEW METEORITE -FELL ON HOUSE!!! A local newpaper in Venezuela has scooped CNN, NBC and CBS and broken the big story about an amazing new meteorite find (see below). We are sure that this will generate intense scientific interest as well as intense competition amongst the list dealers as they vie to purchase this cosmic beauty. Below is a tranlation of this ground breaking article. Into the hands of carvajalense family meteorite that fell 13 years ago and deserves to be studied. It does about 13 years, as a result of a rain of fleeting stars, phenomenon and astronomical spectacle that every year happens generally once, fell in one of the houses of the parish Glad Field, especially in the house of the Suárez family, of that populated community a small meteorite that could well solve many questions on asteroids and until the origin of the life. The grandmother of the young person David Suárez, witnessed the fall that night, a strange luminous object in the patio of her residence and decided to approach what was a small rock, of about 12 centimeters in length by seven of wide, still warms up by effect of the strong atmospheric effect. She kept the small stone, characterized to have oval and contouring form with beautiful lines brown, yellow color and amber, as if one was beautiful Eggs of Passover made by the Russians like inestimables jewels, like a memory, without knowledge that nothing less had in its hands than many centuries of studies of the cosmos and perhaps of its beginning. After the death of his grandmother, the young person David Suárez decides to take it to science, nevertheless many students of the matter in that time, which they wanted was to cut the rock and to destroy it to study it without contributing nothing in return, in addition without recognizing the inestimable value that represents for science. Suárez, makes the call to the true investigators of the origin of the life and the sidereal space, so that they communicate with him through telephones 2442260 and 2441804. To view this incredible NEW Meteorite click on the link below. http://www.diarioeltiempo.com.ve/secciones/secciones.php?num=47771codigo=nactllve=dos __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Metal-sulfide question
I ran across this paper - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2000/pdf/1420.pdf Which mentions dendritic metal-sulfide intergrowths in CR-clan meteorites, and I was wondering if this is a common feature of impact melts/breccias, or is it an unusual feature? Does anyone have a good photo of this effect, since the one in the paper is kinda lo-res? Thanks! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AMAZING NEW METEORITE -FELL ON HOUSE!!!
Dear John, I was very impressed upon reading your message describing the amazing new meteorite that hit a house in Venezuela, because... I was just in Venezuela from Sept 1 to 11 (incidently with a really smooth return flight on this magic date, though some remanent turbulences from our friend Ivan the hurricane who hit us last Wednesday there over). I thought that, by bad luck, I missed this new house crasher by a couple of days...until I looked at the link, showing this nice agate-like egg/pebble! Well, it turned that, along with some lectures on advanced materials I had to deliver at a local sumposium in Caracas, the organizers gave me also a wild card for talking about some more exotic materials. I logically choosed the topic related to our beloved hobby, namely extraterrestrial materials. About 80 local people were therefore suddenly aware that meteorites do exist and now that John sent the post, I wonder whether we will suddenly be flooded from various infos coming from Venezuela and describing some sudden finds in the backyards or related local fall observations. Actually, as my speaking time was restricted (those kind of lectures require extended talks, questions included), I just skipped the last part related to... meteorite fakes and the corresponding warnings... I however doubt your post is really related to my lecture but what a coincidence! I keep you informed if I hear for more exotic falls or strange finds in the forthcoming days from there. So far, Venezuela, a large country, was very quiet, with only 3 meteorites reported. Maybe the Valera cow story, that I did not miss to report, excited some imaginations... Best to all, Zelimir A 09:59 14/09/04 -0700, vous avez écrit : A local newpaper in Venezuela has scooped CNN, NBC and CBS and broken the big story about an amazing new meteorite find (see below). We are sure that this will generate intense scientific interest as well as intense competition amongst the list dealers as they vie to purchase this cosmic beauty. Below is a tranlation of this ground breaking article. Into the hands of carvajalense family meteorite that fell 13 years ago and deserves to be studied. It does about 13 years, as a result of a rain of fleeting stars, phenomenon and astronomical spectacle that every year happens generally once, fell in one of the houses of the parish Glad Field, especially in the house of the Suárez family, of that populated community a small meteorite that could well solve many questions on asteroids and until the origin of the life. The grandmother of the young person David Suárez, witnessed the fall that night, a strange luminous object in the patio of her residence and decided to approach what was a small rock, of about 12 centimeters in length by seven of wide, still warms up by effect of the strong atmospheric effect. She kept the small stone, characterized to have oval and contouring form with beautiful lines brown, yellow color and amber, as if one was beautiful Eggs of Passover made by the Russians like inestimables jewels, like a memory, without knowledge that nothing less had in its hands than many centuries of studies of the cosmos and perhaps of its beginning. After the death of his grandmother, the young person David Suárez decides to take it to science, nevertheless many students of the matter in that time, which they wanted was to cut the rock and to destroy it to study it without contributing nothing in return, in addition without recognizing the inestimable value that represents for science. Suárez, makes the call to the true investigators of the origin of the life and the sidereal space, so that they communicate with him through telephones 2442260 and 2441804. To view this incredible NEW Meteorite click on the link below. http://www.diarioeltiempo.com.ve/secciones/secciones.php?num=47771codigo=nactllve=dos __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AMAZING NEW METEORITE -FELL ON HOUSE!!!
Dear List; This material as Mike notes is not meteorite. It is either a fluorite, gypsum, dolomite or other very soft material, a banded material hardness of around 4. Can be bought wholesale or retail by the pound! That peticular specimen was probably indeed from S. America as it is mined there, wholesale and manufactured there in Brazil I believe. Alas, no iridium, or other evidence of interplanetary travel. Seems the fusion crust must have been scrubbed off by granny! I thought the luminous part was the first clue of suspect material. Where's Ken Newton, time to add another meteorwrong to the web page! This one was fun! Dave F. Michael Farmer wrote: Wow, nice agate egg. I can get those for about $1.50 each in Denver. I hope they arent counting on that meteorite to get rich. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:59 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] AMAZING NEW METEORITE -FELL ON HOUSE!!! A local newpaper in Venezuela has scooped CNN, NBC and CBS and broken the big story about an amazing new meteorite find (see below). We are sure that this will generate intense scientific interest as well as intense competition amongst the list dealers as they vie to purchase this cosmic beauty. Below is a tranlation of this ground breaking article. Into the hands of carvajalense family meteorite that fell 13 years ago and deserves to be studied. It does about 13 years, as a result of a rain of fleeting stars, phenomenon and astronomical spectacle that every year happens generally once, fell in one of the houses of the parish Glad Field, especially in the house of the Suárez family, of that populated community a small meteorite that could well solve many questions on asteroids and until the origin of the life. The grandmother of the young person David Suárez, witnessed the fall that night, a strange luminous object in the patio of her residence and decided to approach what was a small rock, of about 12 centimeters in length by seven of wide, still warms up by effect of the strong atmospheric effect. She kept the small stone, characterized to have oval and contouring form with beautiful lines brown, yellow color and amber, as if one was beautiful Eggs of Passover made by the Russians like inestimables jewels, like a memory, without knowledge that nothing less had in its hands than many centuries of studies of the cosmos and perhaps of its beginning. After the death of his grandmother, the young person David Suárez decides to take it to science, nevertheless many students of the matter in that time, which they wanted was to cut the rock and to destroy it to study it without contributing nothing in return, in addition without recognizing the inestimable value that represents for science. Suárez, makes the call to the true investigators of the origin of the life and the sidereal space, so that they communicate with him through telephones 2442260 and 2441804. To view this incredible NEW Meteorite click on the link below. http://www.diarioeltiempo.com.ve/secciones/secciones.php?num=47771codigo=nactllve=dos __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AMAZING NEW METEORITE -FELL ON HOUSE!!!
Hello ZelmirThat certainly is a coincidence. I guess the more people that learn about the potential value of meteorites the more cosmic agates we'll be hearing about in the News. Apparently this chap was planning on retiring on the proceeds from Granny's meteorite as he became quite agitated when I referred to it as an agate and he told me to READ THE NEWPAPER AGAIN. Oh well -John Zelimir Gabelica wrote: Dear John, I was very impressed upon reading your message describing the amazing new meteorite that hit a house in Venezuela, because... I was just in Venezuela from Sept 1 to 11 (incidently with a really smooth return flight on this magic date, though some remanent turbulences from our friend Ivan the hurricane who hit us last Wednesday there over). I thought that, by bad luck, I missed this new house crasher by a couple of days...until I looked at the link, showing this nice agate-like egg/pebble! Well, it turned that, along with some lectures on advanced materials I had to deliver at a local sumposium in Caracas, the organizers gave me also a wild card for talking about some more exotic materials. I logically choosed the topic related to our beloved hobby, namely extraterrestrial materials. About 80 local people were therefore suddenly aware that meteorites do exist and now that John sent the post, I wonder whether we will suddenly be flooded from various infos coming from Venezuela and describing some sudden finds in the backyards or related local fall observations. Actually, as my speaking time was restricted (those kind of lectures require extended talks, questions included), I just skipped the last part related to... meteorite fakes and the corresponding warnings... I however doubt your post is really related to my lecture but what a coincidence! I keep you informed if I hear for more exotic falls or strange finds in the forthcoming days from there. So far, Venezuela, a large country, was very quiet, with only 3 meteorites reported. Maybe the Valera cow story, that I did not miss to report, excited some imaginations... Best to all, Zelimir A 09:59 14/09/04 -0700, vous avez écrit : A local newpaper in Venezuela has scooped CNN, NBC and CBS and broken the big story about an amazing new meteorite find (see below). We are sure that this will generate intense scientific interest as well as intense competition amongst the list dealers as they vie to purchase this cosmic beauty. Below is a tranlation of this ground breaking article. Into the hands of carvajalense family meteorite that fell 13 years ago and deserves to be studied. It does about 13 years, as a result of a rain of fleeting stars, phenomenon and astronomical spectacle that every year happens generally once, fell in one of the houses of the parish Glad Field, especially in the house of the Suárez family, of that populated community a small meteorite that could well solve many questions on asteroids and until the origin of the life. The grandmother of the young person David Suárez, witnessed the fall that night, a strange luminous object in the patio of her residence and decided to approach what was a small rock, of about 12 centimeters in length by seven of wide, still warms up by effect of the strong atmospheric effect. She kept the small stone, characterized to have oval and contouring form with beautiful lines brown, yellow color and amber, as if one was beautiful Eggs of Passover made by the Russians like inestimables jewels, like a memory, without knowledge that nothing less had in its hands than many centuries of studies of the cosmos and perhaps of its beginning. After the death of his grandmother, the young person David Suárez decides to take it to science, nevertheless many students of the matter in that time, which they wanted was to cut the rock and to destroy it to study it without contributing nothing in return, in addition without recognizing the inestimable value that represents for science. Suárez, makes the call to the true investigators of the origin of the life and the sidereal space, so that they communicate with him through telephones 2442260 and 2441804. To view this incredible NEW Meteorite click on the link below. http://www.diarioeltiempo.com.ve/secciones/secciones.php?num=47771codigo=nactllve=dos __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Metal-sulfide question
I ran across this paper which mentions dendritic metal-sulfide intergrowths in CR-clan meteorites, and I was wondering if this is a common feature of impact melts/breccias, or is it an unusual feature? http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2000/pdf/1420.pdf My database query only resulted in QUE 94411 and HaH 237 showing such dentritic features, so my non-scientific conclusion would be that it is an extraordinary phenomenon of *these* two metal-rich stoney (!) meteorites unless such ferrous silicate shock melts have not *yet* been detected in other stoney samples. Ferrous silicate spherules have also been reported from CH carbonaceous chondrites like Acfer 182 or ALH 85085, EET 96238, PAT 91546, PCA 91467, RKP 92435. References: MEIBOM A. et al. (2000) An astrophysical model for the formation of zoned iron-nickel metal grains in the Bencubbin/CH-like chondrites QUE 94411 and HaH 237 (MAPS 35-5, 2000, Suppl., A107). MEIBOM A. et al. (2000) Metal/sulfide-ferrous silicate shock melts in QUE 94411 and HaH 237: Remains of the missing matrix? (abs. Lunar Planet. Sci. 31, abstract #1420, Lunar and Planetary Institute, Houston, Texas, USA, CD-ROM). KROT A.N. et al. (2000) Ferrous silicate spherules with euhedral iron-nickel metal grains from CH carbonaceous chondrites: Evidence for supercooling and condensation under oxidizing conditions (MAPS 35-6, 2000, pp. 1249-1258). Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images - August 30 - September 10, 2004
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES August 30 - September 10, 2004 o Cerberus Fossae (Released 30 August 2004) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20040830a.html o Lycus Sulci (Released 31 August 2004) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20040831a.html o Hebes Chasma (Released 1 September 2004) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20040901a.html o Olympia Undae (Released 2 September 2004) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20040902a.html o Ius Chasma Landslide (Released 3 September 2004) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20040903a.html o Ius Chasma Debris (Released 7 September 2004) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20040907a.html o Ius Chasma Ridge (Released 8 September 2004) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20040908a.html o Ius Chasma In False Color (Released 9 September 2004) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20040909a.html o Old Landslide In Ius Chasma (Released 10 September 2004) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20040910a.html All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.la.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in collaboration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update - September 13, 2004
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Spectrometers Sample Clean and Dirty Targets - sol 215-217, September 13, 2004 On sol 215 Opportunity completed a reading with its Mossbauer spectrometer of a target called Kirchner, where a wire brush on the rover's rock abrasion tool had scrubbed a circular patch on the surface of a rock called Escher. The rover also made some remote-sensing observations then then set up for using its alpha particle X-ray spectrometer on Kirchner early the following morning. However, an image from the rover's hazard-avoidance camera revealed that the doors of the alpha particle X-ray spectrometer had not completely opened. The door is a tricky mechanism; incomplete openings and closings have occurred before, and the team continues to work on approaches to more reliably maneuver the door. On sol 216 the rover successfully acquired early morning alpha particle X-ray spectrometer data on Kirchner. Despite the incomplete opening of the instrument's dust doors, the spectra look good. No repeat of the integration will be necessary. The rover also used the Mossbauer spectrometer to examine another brushed target, EmilNolde, on Escher. This reading was planned to run into the evening then later, following a deep sleep, to resume in the early morning of sol 217. The Mossbauer placement went fine. The rover was commanded to close and reopen the alpha particle X-ray spectrometer doors and this went well. The doors are now properly open and ready for action on sol 217. On sol 217, which ended on Sept. 3, Opportunity used its rock abrasion tool to brush a target called Otto Dix, and used its microscopic imager to look at the brushed area. Then the rover was commanded to place the alpha particle X-ray spectrometer on EmilNolde, precisely on a dirty portion of that target (an area that was not very well cleared away by the brush action a few sols ago). The plan was to collect data with the alpha particle X-ray spectrometer in the evening, perform a move in the middle of the night to a cleanly brushed portion of EmilNolde and integrate again until morning. These two integrations will be used to discern the differences between the clean and dirty portions of the target. A 100-megabit afternoon downlink through Mars Odyssey on sol 217 showed that all activities went well through the placement of the alpha particle X-ray spectrometer on the dirty part of EmilNolde. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] sterilizing rovers
Hi, I am curious as to why no one appears to have any information/comments re the sterilzing of interplanetary probes! Surely someone on this list must have a thought on this matter! Ron Baalke... any info? thanks dave IMCA #0092 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories
Amen regarding the removal of curating numbers from meteorite specimens. For many collectors and dealers, having a specimen from the Monnig collection or other famous institution is an important part of their meteorite's history. The outcry would be huge if it were found that those same institutions were quietly sanding off specimen numbers from fossils so that less well preserved specimens could be traded up for newer better ones. All the secrecy smacks of some type of academic skulduggery, and could backfire. Keep it all in the open, I say. Tracy Latimer _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] sterilizing rovers
Hi, I am curious as to why no one appears to have any information/comments re the sterilzing of interplanetary probes! Surely someone on this list must have a thought on this matter! Ron Baalke... any info? All NASA spacecraft to the planets have planetary protection requirements. For the Mars rovers, here's the information straight from the MER press kit: Planetary Protection Requirements In the study of whether Mars has had environments conducive to life, precautions are taken against introducing microbes from Earth. The United States is a signatory to an international treaty that stipulates that exploration must be conducted in a manner that avoids harmful contamination of celestial bodies. The primary strategy for preventing contamination of Mars with Earth organisms is to be sure that the hardware intended to reach the planet is clean. Each Mars Exploration Rover spacecraft complied with requirements to carry a total of no more than 300,000 bacterial spores on any surface from which the spores could get into the martian environment. Technicians assembling the spacecraft and preparing them for launch frequently cleaned surfaces by wiping them with an alcohol solution. The planetary protection team carefully sampled the surfaces and performed microbiology tests to demonstrate that each spacecraft meets requirements for biological cleanliness. Components tolerant of high temperature, such as the parachute and thermal blanketing, were heated to 110 C (230 F) or hotter to kill microbes. The core box of each rover, containing the main computer and other key electronics, is sealed and vented through high-efficiency filters that keep any microbes inside. Some smaller electronics compartments are also isolated in this manner. Another type of precaution is to be sure that other hardware doesn't go to Mars accidentally. When the Delta launch vehicle's third stage separated from the spacecraft, the two objects were traveling on nearly identical trajectories. To prevent the possibility of the third stage hitting Mars, that shared course was deliberately set so that the spacecraft would miss Mars if not for its first trajectory correction maneuver, about 10 days later. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Oregon Group Hopes To Build Willamette Meteorite Center
http://www.oregonlive.com/metrosouthwest/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/metro_southwest_news/109421264474221.xml Group hopes to land meteorite West Linn residents want to raise money for an interpretive center to honor a mammoth bit of the town's history DANA TIMS The Oregonian September 3, 2004 Efforts by a group of West Linn residents to create a full-blown tourist attraction around the largest meteorite ever found in the United States are finally taking off. The group is planning a fund-raising event Sept. 18 that organizers hope will net enough cash to proceed with plans to build an interpretive center and full-size model of the Willamette Meteorite. Ellis Hughes, a Welsh miner-turned-West Linn farmer, discovered the 151/2-ton meteorite on a hillside near West Linn in 1902. Working secretly, he managed to haul the huge space rock to his nearby property, where he displayed it publicly until the adjacent landowner discovered the theft, sued and won a court victory to regain possession. A wealthy New York socialite saw the meteorite at the 1905 Lewis Clark exposition in Portland. She bought it and promptly donated it to the American Museum of Natural History in New York, where as many as 5 million visitors view it annually. Now, the West Linn group is intent on reviving the specter of a meteorite that scientists say actually fell somewhere in Canada. Catastrophic ice-age floods, from 12,000 to 15,000 years ago, are credited with floating the meteorite, encased in a huge chunk of ice, to the spot where Hughes discovered it. We think it's important not only for West Linn, but for all of Oregon, to know the story of this amazing meteorite, said Mark Buser, who as president-elect of the West Linn Chamber of Commerce is helping spearhead the effort. After a lot of work, it seems like the universe is finally conspiring to make this happen. The group is in the second phase of a five-phase project aimed at creating a bronze replica of the meteorite for permanent display in West Linn's historic Willamette neighborhood. The project's $80,000 budget includes plans for a 1,000-square-foot interpretive center across the street from the replica. Group members have applied for several grants to help finance the effort, including one to the Spirit Mountain community fund. The fund is run by the Confederated Tribes of the Grand Ronde. The tribes claim that Clackamas Indians regarded the meteorite as a sacred object long before European settlers made their way to the upper Willamette Valley. More than a decade ago, the tribes, citing a new federal law that returned important artifacts to Native Americans, reached an agreement with the New York museum entitling them to an annual ceremonial visit and other considerations. Direct fund-raising will continue Sept. 18 at Tualatin River Nursery in West Linn, where Fran Soder, the 87-year-old West Linn resident who is credited with initiating the restoration project, will speak on the meteorite's colorful and controversial history. I've spoken to large groups before, but that was 50 years ago, Soder said, laughing. I guess I'd better be dynamic. Tickets for seats at the event, which includes dinner and a concert, are selling for $100. An eight-person table is available for $700. Also at the event will be Perry Gargano, the New York artist who has been commissioned to create the replica. He plans to use a high-tech computer to cut the model from a huge chunk of high-density foam. Soder said no hard-and-fast deadline has been set for completing the replica and the interpretive center. She added, however, that another group member's recent prediction that completion could take five years just won't cut the meteoric mustard. I don't expect to live a century, she said, laughing again. I want this thing done before I die. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Asteroids May Have Brought Life to Earth
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3475033 Asteroids May Have Brought Life to Earth By John von Radowitz The Scotsman (United Kingdom) September 9, 2004 Asteroid craters could turn out to be the cradles of life, an expert said today. Killer asteroids like the one believed to have wiped out the dinosaurs may be life creators as well as forces of destruction, said Dr Charles Cockell. A new theory suggests that powerful impacts from asteroids or comets could have provided the energy and conditions needed to kick-start life on Earth. Part of the evidence comes from an impact crater in the Arctic formed when a kilometre-wide object smashed into the Earth 23 million years ago. The impact would have released as much energy as 100 million atomic blasts as large as the one that destroyed Hiroshima. For several hundred kilometres around the site all animal life and vegetation would have been exterminated. Yet scientists discovered that when the dust settled the 24-kilometre-wide crater became a haven for microbial life. The vaporisation of minerals turned rocks within the crater porous, allowing water to percolate through them. At the same time they became more transparent to sunlight, which encouraged organisms that relied on photosynthesis to survive to flourish. What you have here is an example of how impact events can create a new habitat for life, said Dr Cockell, from the British Antarctic Survey, who has investigated the site. But he told the British Association Festival of Science that the influence of asteroids and comets on life might go much further. They could even have been responsible for the birth of life on Earth four billion years ago. An asteroid hitting the Earth at between 15 and 50 kilometres per second produced an enormous burst of energy, most of which was released as heat, said Dr Cockell. The temperatures of several thousand degrees centigrade were high enough to turn simple organic compounds into the building blocks of living things. There's good experimental evidence to show that impact shock can result in the formation of amino acids and other more complex biomolecules, Dr Cockell told the conference at the University of Exeter. There's a growing feeling that as well as being beneficial in terms of habitat, impact events can also improve conditions for the evolution of life in the first place. This could have occurred on Mars as well as the Earth, said Dr Cockell. Almost four billion years ago Mars had a thick atmosphere, abundant water, and possibly life. Dr Cockell said that, unlike on Earth, four billion-year-old craters could still be found on Mars. They might be good places to look for signs of life, he suggested. There are several theories to explain how life arose on Earth, including the formation of complex organic molecules around black smoker volcanic vents on the ocean floor. It's quite possible that black smokers would have been a place for the origin of life as well, said Dr Cockell. We don't really know. But what is becoming apparent is that there are many environments on the early Earth that seem to offer environments for the origin and radiation of life. Early Earth might have been a very good place for life to have originated in many potential environments. Maybe it did happen in many of these environments, and only one could continue. All this is speculation, but the impact scenario is an interesting addition to our total understanding of the environments that are conducive to the origin of life. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New pallasite in Denver
Hi list: I spent a few hours this morning wandering around the Denver show. It seems there are less and less meteorite dealers each year, yet more and more varieties of meteorites! Anyway, there is a new pallasite from Russia being sold. The sources tell me that it is genuine ( I grilled them about it) and stable. It is going under the name SEYMCHAN. Interestingly, SEYMCHAN is listed as a IIE iron in the Catalouge. In 2004, there was an expedition back to the find site and the hunters located an addition 50kg. However, many of these are pallasitic! Some are completely metallic with no olivine. Some of the olivine is transparent but much is pretty dark in color. The slices I saw are quite attractive and showed no signs of rust (unlike Brahin). So is this another Glorieta Mountain where most of the iron portions were located first then the pallasitic ones were discovered later? I should have a few pics to post in the coming days. Best, Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Beware: Io Dust
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/14sep_jupiterdust.htm Beware: Io Dust NASA Science News September 14, 2004 Jupiter's moon Io is shooting tiny volcanic bullets at passing spacecraft. September 14, 2004: Jupiter's moon Io is peppered with volcanoes, the hottest, most active volcanoes in our solar system. Sizzling vents spew plumes of gas and dust as much as 400 km high. They surge, spit, subside and surge again, non-stop. The towering plumes, outlined by graceful arcs of rising and falling ash, are eerily beautiful. Their tops jut into space, freezing. Beneath them, scientists believe, it snows. Sulfurous flakes crystallize in the plume-tops and drift gently down to coat Io's colorful terrain. High above the gentle snowfall something unexpected happens. At the apex of the plumes, some of the dust and ash that ought to turn around and fall ... doesn't. Defying gravity, it keeps going up, not slowing but accelerating, 2 times, 10 times, hundreds of times faster than a speeding bullet, away from Io and into deep space. Passing spacecraft beware: Io is shooting at you. The Ulysses spacecraft, a joint mission of NASA and the European Space Agency, made the discovery in 1992 when, approaching Jupiter, it was hit by a breakneck stream of volcano dust. What a surprise, recalls Harold Krueger of the Max Planck Institute in Heidelberg, the principle investigator for Ulysses' dust detector. We expected to encounter dust, he says. The solar system is littered with flakes from comets and asteroids. But nothing like this. The dust came in a tight stream, like water from a garden hose, and it was moving extraordinarily fast, about 300 km/s (670,000 mph). This makes it some of the fastest-moving material in the solar system, says Krueger, second only to the solar wind. Fortunately the dust-bits were small, similar in size to particles in cigarette smoke, so they didn't penetrate the ship's hull in spite of their extreme velocity. At first, no one suspected Io. Ulysses was 100 million kilometers from Io when the stream blew by, supposedly beyond the reach of volcanic plumes. Plus, the speed of the dust didn't make sense. Particles emerge from Io's vents traveling 1 or 2 km/s, not 300 km/s. Baffled, researchers considered several possibilities: Could Jupiter's dark rings be responsible? There's plenty of dust there, but how could rings manufacture fast-moving jets? Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 was another suspect. The comet flew so close to Jupiter in 1992 that it was torn apart. Comets are known to produce streams of dust, but not so fast as the stream that hit Ulysses. NASA's Galileo spacecraft eventually solved the puzzle. Like Ulysses, Galileo was pelted by dust when it approached Jupiter in 1995. Unlike Ulysses, which merely flew past the giant planet, Galileo settled into orbit. As data accumulated over a period of years, scientists were able to correlate volcanic activity with dust events, and they showed, furthermore, that dust streams were modulated by Io's orbital motion. The source was definitely Io. Regarding the extreme velocity of the dust: Jupiter is responsible for that, explains Krueger. Jupiter is not only a giant planet, but also a giant magnet, which spins once every 9 hours and 55 minutes. Spinning magnetic fields produce electric fields, and the electric fields around Jupiter are intense. Io-dust, like dust on your computer monitor, is electrically charged, so Jupiter's electric forces naturally accelerate the grains. 300 km/s is no problem. In 2000 when the Cassini spacecraft sailed past Jupiter en route to Saturn, it too was hit. Cassini's dust detector is more capable than Ulysses'. In addition to mass, speed, charge and trajectory, it can also measure elemental composition. Cassini found hints of sulfur, silicon, sodium and potassium--all signs of volcanic origin. This raises an interesting possibility, says Krueger. We can analyze the hot interior of Io from a great distance. There's no need to get too close to the sizzling vents when you can catch the ash millions of miles away. Io dust can even reach Earth, says Krueger, but don't expect a meteor shower. Bright meteors such as Perseids and Leonids are caused by sand-sized comet dust. Io dust is much smaller. A typical grain is only 10 billionths of a meter wide. If a bit of it disintegrated in Earth's atmosphere, you probably wouldn't notice. End of story? Not quite. Ulysses visited Jupiter again in early 2004 and once again the craft was pelted. Io's volcanoes were still at work. But something was wrong: The dust was shooting in the wrong direction. Io dust is supposed fly out of Jupiter's equatorial plane, says Krueger, because that's the way the accelerating electric fields point. This time Ulysses approached Jupiter's north pole (75 degrees north latitude to be exact) where no dust should go. Yet the spacecraft was pelted anyway. Jupiter, it seems, flings Io-dust in every direction, which is hard to understand,
[meteorite-list] New Comet Heading Sunward (Comet C/2004 R2 ASAS)
NEW COMET HEADING SUNWARD Roger W. Sinnott Sky Telescope September 10, 2004 Grzegorz Pojmanski (Warsaw Astronomical Observatory, Poland) has found an 11th-magnitude comet a few degrees south of Sirius in the predawn sky. He snared it remotely using a remarkably small instrument: a 70-millimeter-aperture lens (focal length 200 mm) and CCD camera of the All Sky Automated Survey (ASAS) in Las Campanas, Chile. The discovery announcement on IAU Circular 8402 includes the preliminary orbital elements by Brian G. Marsden, director of the Minor Planet Center in Cambridge, Massachusetts. These show that Comet ASAS (C/2004 R2) will pass fairly close to the Sun -- both in the sky and literally -- during the coming weeks. It reaches perihelion on October 7th, well inside the orbit of Mercury and just 0.11 astronomical unit from the Sun. For a week or two around that time, the only way to see it will be via the Internet on images taken by the SOHO spacecraft (http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime-images.html) as the comet glides just 1.2 degrees north of the Sun's center. Until the end of September, the comet should be visible in ordinary telescopes mainly from the Southern Hemisphere (see the ephemeris below). If it survives perihelion, it will enter the evening sky for skywatchers north of the equator. But because this is not an intrinsically large comet, it could go poof in the Sun's heat. Similar objects studied by comet expert John Bortle have done just that. This ASAS success comes just two months after the discovery of Nova Scorpii 2004 using the same equipment. For more about the highly automated survey, see Dennis di Cicco's article in SKY TELESCOPE for October 2002, page 18. The ephemeris below, based on Marsden's elements, gives the comet's right ascension and declination at 0 hours Universal Time on each date, followed by its distances from the Earth (Delta) and Sun (r) in astronomical units. Then are listed its elongation from the Sun in degrees, predicted visual magnitude, the constellation it is in, and optimum viewing latitude. (If the numbers in the table don't line up properly, switch to a fixed-space font like Courier.) Roger W. Sinnott Senior Editor SKY TELESCOPE Comet ASAS (C/2004 R2) 2004 RA (2000) Dec Deltar Elong Mag Const OpLat (0h UT)h m o '(au) (au)o Sep 107 46.8 -21 42 0.883 0.913 5710.9 Pup 30S Sep 117 56.6 -21 56 0.874 0.889 5610.8 Pup 30S Sep 128 06.6 -22 08 0.866 0.865 5410.7 Pup 31S Sep 138 16.8 -22 17 0.859 0.840 5310.6 Pup 31S Sep 148 27.3 -22 24 0.853 0.815 5110.5 Pup 32S Sep 158 38.0 -22 28 0.849 0.790 5010.4 Pyx 32S Sep 168 48.8 -22 28 0.846 0.765 4810.3 Pyx 33S Sep 178 59.7 -22 26 0.844 0.739 4610.1 Pyx 33S Sep 189 10.8 -22 20 0.844 0.712 4410.0 Hya 34S Sep 199 21.9 -22 11 0.845 0.686 42 9.9 Hya 34S Sep 209 33.0 -21 58 0.847 0.659 41 9.8 Hya 35S Sep 219 44.2 -21 41 0.851 0.631 39 9.7 Hya 35S Sep 229 55.3 -21 21 0.856 0.603 37 9.5 Hya 36S Sep 23 10 06.4 -20 56 0.862 0.575 35 9.4 Hya 36S Sep 24 10 17.4 -20 28 0.871 0.546 33 9.2 Hya 37S Sep 25 10 28.3 -19 56 0.880 0.516 31 9.1 Hya 37S Sep 26 10 39.1 -19 21 0.892 0.486 29 8.9 Hya 37S Sep 27 10 49.7 -18 41 0.904 0.455 27 8.7 Hya 37S Sep 28 11 00.3 -17 58 0.919 0.424 25 8.5 Crt 38S Sep 29 11 10.7 -17 10 0.935 0.391 23 8.3 Crt 38S Sep 30 11 21.0 -16 19 0.952 0.358 21 8.0 Crt 38S Oct 1 11 31.2 -15 22 0.971 0.324 19 7.8 Crt 37S Oct 2 11 41.5 -14 20 0.992 0.289 17 7.4 Crt 37S Oct 3 11 51.9 -13 12 1.014 0.254 14 7.1 Crt -- Oct 4 12 02.5 -11 56 1.038 0.218 12 6.6 Crv -- Oct 5 12 13.5 -10 30 1.062 0.1829.5 6.1 Vir -- Oct 6 12 25.4 -08 51 1.086 0.1496.7 5.5 Vir -- Oct 7 12 38.4 -06 58 1.104 0.1233.5 4.9 Vir -- Oct 8 12 52.8 -04 55 1.111 0.1141.2 4.6 Vir -- Oct 9 13 07.6 -03 01 1.102 0.1263.9 5.0 Vir -- Oct 10 13 21.6 -01 28 1.083 0.1537.1 5.6 Vir -- Oct 11 13 34.7 -00 15 1.059 0.1879.8 6.2 Vir -- Oct 12 13 47.3 +00 43 1.036 0.223 12 6.7 Vir -- Oct 13 13 59.4 +01 31 1.014 0.259 15 7.1 Vir -- Oct 14 14 11.3 +02 12 0.993 0.294 17 7.5 Vir 38N Oct 15 14 23.0 +02 46 0.975 0.329 19 7.8 Vir 36N Oct 16 14 34.7 +03 15 0.958 0.363 21 8.1 Vir 35N Oct 17 14 46.3 +03 41
Re: [meteorite-list] Auction list for tonight. Many large items over $1000 up for one cent.
Hi everyone, I have loaded alot of meteorites on eBay one cent auctions. They all end tonight. Take a look, grab some end of summer deals for a real bargain. for example, here is a small piece of Bilanga Diogenite, right now less than $3.00 per gram! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=2268593733 http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=meteoritehunters http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=meteorite-hunter thanks Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Loud Booms Reported Over Indiana
http://www.wane.com/Global/story.asp?S=2248453nav=0RYbQUIj City Determines Possible Sources of Loud Booms News Channel 15 (Indiana) September 2, 2004 (Fort Wayne - WANE - September 2, 2004) Hundreds of people have called the Fort Wayne Mayor's Office with reports of loud booms, primarily in the northeast part of the city. Officials have been able to establish a pattern and the possible sources, so residents no longer need to call. However, at this time no one has admitted responsibility for the loud blasts, so an exact source has yet to be determined. The City will be keeping tabs on the possible sources until it determines who is responsible. They Mayor's Office says the loud noises pose no threat to public safety. Justin Brugger, the Northeast Neighborhood Specialist at the Mayor's office, said he took over one hundred calls on Wedesday. All we know is that there's a large concentration of people's homes shaking, violently, along Lake Avenue, Brugger said. He said the one resident says the sounds started four months ago The complaints appear to be confined to neighborhoods between State Boulevard and Lake Avenue -- from Anthony Boulevard to Maysville Road. People have described them as sonic booms, loud explosions, even minor earthquakes -- and some residents said it's enough to make them think that their neighbor's house has exploded. A lot of theories are floating around out there -- nearby construction, railroads, cars being crushed at the Omnisource recycling facility, but long time residents say this sound is new. It just sounded like a plane crash or a dynamite explosion or something -- I jumped out of bed when I heard it, said Al Poffenberger, who lives on the corner of Lake and Kensington. I've lived here for 35 years and I've never heard anything like it. Most people report hearing the sound more than once, but there really isn't a consistent time of day that it is heard. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Nanobac Life Sciences Announces Agreement With Johnson Space Center to Study Nanobacteria
http://www.nanobaclabs.com/Newsroom/PressReleases/Article.aspx?shortname=News_2004-09-13 NANOBAC LIFE SCIENCES ANNOUNCES SPACE ACT AGREEMENT WITH NASA: NASA's Johnson Space Center to Study Nanobacteria TAMPA, Fla. (September 13, 2004) - Nanobac Life Sciences, Inc. (OTCPK:NNBP) is pleased to announce the signing of a Space Act Agreement with NASA's Johnson Space Center (JSC), Houston Texas, to collaborate on research on Nanobacteria and its nature and role in pathological calcification, including the detection and treatment of the pathogen. Since Astronauts may be more prone to an increased rate of pathological calcification while in a zero gravity environment, the collaboration will bring a new approach to NASA's need to better understand the effects of long-term space travel on humans. In addition, Nanobac's work provides a model for studying mineralized organic matters that could aid NASA in the search for extraterrestrial life. Nanobac co-founder and Director of Science, Neva Ciftcioglu, Ph.D. will remain at NASA JSC as Senior Scientist and principal researcher. Under the agreement, NASA will provide workspace at JSC for Nanobac's personnel located at JSC. The agreement further provides Nanobac the opportunity to work together with a multidisciplinary team of NASA researchers while having access to basic laboratory services for nanobacteria science, including electron microscopy, molecular biology and geology-mineralogy research facilities. Projects ranging from searching for nanobacteria biosignatures in earth fossils and in Mars meteorites to diagnosing and treating nanobacteria infection are anticipated. Nanobac will provide JSC with equipment and specialty supplies for nanobacteria research and apply its pioneering diagnostic and treatment experience in the field. We are pleased to be able to provide our Director of Science to NASA for these important projects, commented John Stanton, Nanobac's President and Chief Executive Officer. We look forward to a very rich and rewarding research collaboration with NASA. We appreciate the opportunity to work with some of the country's most talented scientists. This announcement shall not be construed to imply that NASA currently or in the future endorses or sponsors any NANOBAC product or service. About Nanobacteria Nanobacterium sanguineum (nanobacteria) is the smallest self-replicating organism ever detected - at 50 to 500 billionths of a meter, 1/1000th the size of the smallest previously known bacteria. Nanobacteria have been implicated in a variety of human diseases associated with pathological calcification. Nanobacteria were first discovered in 1988 by a Finnish researcher, and Nanobac OY co-Founder Olavi Kajander, M.D., Ph.D. Medical microbiologist Neva Ciftcioglu, Ph.D. joined his team in 1991 and their corroborated work with nanobacteria over the past 13 years has put them at the forefront of research into this medically important pathogen. Their research established that the blood-borne nanobacteria forms slow-growing calcified colonies in arteries and organs. Nanobac has identified two biomarkers of nanobacterial infection. These tests are being developed as the NB2 test, which is composed of the nanobacteria antigen test, and the nanobacteria IgG antibody test. The Nanobac IgG test is designed to measure the body's immune response to the nanobacterial infection. The Company is in the final stages of development of the nanobacteria antigen test. About Nanobac Lifesciences Nanobac Life Sciences, Inc. is dedicated to improving people's health through the detection and eradication of Nanobacterium sanguineum (nanobacteria). The Company's pioneering research is establishing the pathogenic role of nanobacteria in calcification, particularly in coronary artery heart disease and vascular disease. Nanobac has identified two biomarkers of nanobacterial infection, and expects to file for FDA approval of its NB2 ELISA assay to detect nanobacterial antigen and IgG antibody. It is also leveraging its proprietary knowledge and intellectual property to develop the first FDA approved therapeutic to detect and treat nanobacterial infection. The Company currently markets, through its wholly owned subsidiary, Nanobac Sciences, a patented nanobiotic regimen that it developed. Nanobac Life Sciences, Inc. is headquartered in Tampa, Florida. For more information, please visit our website at: www.nanobaclifesciences.com. Investors are cautioned that certain statements contained in this document as well as some statements in periodic press releases and some oral statements of Nanobac Life Sciences, Inc. officials are Forward-Looking Statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 (the 'Act). Forward-Looking statements include statements which are predictive in nature, which depend upon or refer to future events or conditions, which include words such as believes, anticipates, intends, plans, expects, and similar
Re: [meteorite-list] Loud Booms Reported Over Indiana
Ah, that would put my mind at rest: Officials have determined possible sources of the blasts, but don't know exactly, so concerned residents have no need to complain anymore. Right. Allow me to propose a possible source: Practical jokers placing bombs in the treetops. In a message dated 9/14/2004 7:49:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: City Determines Possible Sources of Loud Booms (Fort Wayne - WANE - September 2, 2004) Hundreds of people have called the Fort Wayne Mayor's Office with reports of loud booms, primarily in the northeast part of the city. Officials have been able to establish a pattern and the possible sources, so residents no longer need to call. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Amgala Liquidation Sale
Hello all- Thought I would offer a sale on some beautiful Amgala fragments while the rest of the folks are in Denver. I am getting ready to launch Nakhladogmeteorites.com soon and I am in the process of liquidating a lot of material to provide only the best specimens on the website. To do this I am discounting the following fragments to $4.50 per gram with free shipping. 8.8 gram half stone showing fresh interior, otherwise fully crusted jet black .. $40 http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/Amgalagram8.8.JPG 24.8 gram individual with ~ 80% crust .. $112 http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/Amgalagram24.8.JPG 20.8 gram individual fully crusted but ~ 15% is secondary crust .. $94 http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/Amgalagram20.8.JPG Finally, a large 421.9 gram individual ~ 85% crusted with numerous deep flow lines and some lipping priced under $4 per gram .. $1650 An exceptional piece for any collection http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/Amgalagram421.9.JPG I don't expect these to last long. Reserve yours early The link below will take you to the beautifully crusted individuals that will be going on the website. They are available for $5 per gram and I am willing to take orders now if one of them suits you. http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/robandcolleen11197/album?.dir=/9446 I have many auctions going up in a couple hours, including more Amgala and one in particular with a chondrule that is the biggest that has ever crossed my desk intact. http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=nakhladog Other meteorites for sale can be seen here for now http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=nakhladog Payment can be made via PayPal to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or mail to: Robert Wesel 2941 N.E. 1st Court Hillsboro, Oregon 97124 USA Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Hunting meteorites
Hello List!, I ve been off he list for some time, hehe but Im back again :)Well during the weekend I had the chance of going to one hot spring near my city, its called Cuatro Cienegas and I was told that there are some NASA scientists studying that hot spring because its one of few places in the world where stromatolites are formed. I believe that stromatolites are ancient fossils or at least it could be the kind of life that we can expect to find in Mars or other planets. So scientists study those cuz I has clues to the origin of more advanced forms of life in the Earth. I think they are pretty cool, I went to a tour in the river and at the end we got to the main hot spring, where the water comes out of the ground and I had the opportunnity to bring samples of stromatolites with me, but I dont know how to preserve them. Please can somebody tell me how to keep them?, so they wont break up, cause they break easily adn I would like to preserve them to keep them in my collection. Thanks a lot and hope to see you all soon! :) Rafael Blando Torres _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Stromatolites and help
Hello List!, I ve been off he list for some time, hehe but Im back again :)Well during the weekend I had the chance of going to one hot spring near my city, its called Cuatro Cienegas and I was told that there are some NASA scientists studying that hot spring because its one of few places in the world where stromatolites are formed. I believe that stromatolites are ancient fossils or at least it could be the kind of life that we can expect to find in Mars or other planets. So scientists study those cuz I has clues to the origin of more advanced forms of life in the Earth. I think they are pretty cool, I went to a tour in the river and at the end we got to the main hot spring, where the water comes out of the ground and I had the opportunnity to bring samples of stromatolites with me, but I dont know how to preserve them. Please can somebody tell me how to keep them?, so they wont break up, cause they break easily adn I would like to preserve them to keep them in my collection. Thanks a lot and hope to see you all soon! :) Rafael Blando Torres _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Great link to genesis crash site
Astronomy Picture of the day http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040914.html Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oum Rokba
G'day Zelimir, I'm fairly sure Oum Rokba was also classified under the name, NWA 400. I don't think either name has been 'officially' described though. Maybe someone else has a bit more info?! Cheers, Jeff Kuyken I.M.C.A. #3085 www.meteorites.com.au - Original Message - From: Zelimir Gabelica To: Michael Farmer Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Auction list for tonight. Many largeitems over $1000 up for one cent. Hi Mike, A question related to your E-bay offer just received (though I am not an E-bay buyer). You are listing Oum Rokba. I purchased that one sometimes in the past, from Blaine Reed (incidently with an accurate descriptive label). I thought the name was officially recognized and the meteorite well documented but never found any official description in the Met. Bulls. later on. Blaine's label gives about about the same description as yours on E-Bay. I contacted Bleine recently for more info but he was not able to tell more. Could you (or anyone) tell me whether Oum Rokba is an official name and where is it described ? Or should that one rather belong to the vast NWA group (if so, which N° ?) Many thanks and best wishes, Zelimir A 08:31 14/09/04 -0700, vous avez écrit : Subject: Auction list for tonight. Many large items over $1000 up for one cent. Hi everyone, I have loaded alot of meteorites on eBay one cent auctions. They all end tonight. Take a look, grab some end of summer deals for a real bargain. http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=meteoritehunt ers http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=meteorite-hun ter thanks Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oum Rokba
In a message dated 9/14/2004 11:41:40 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm fairly sure Oum Rokba was also classified under the name, NWA 400. I don't think either name has been 'officially' described though. Maybe someone else has a bit more info?! Neither NWA 400 nor Oum Rokba is in Meteorites from A to Z, meaning that neither one was official as of the end of December 2003. Does that help? Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA #2356, www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
