Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby?
Martin, list, I was personnaly attacked by the Ps on their web site together with Farmer, Bruno Carine, Dean. Ps had to wipe names after Bruno and Carine fist legal action. They say they have won the case. Humm, I have a copy of the judgment. I must not read properly french, but I understood that they were condamned to several k euros of fine. I understand that in the Ps cosmology when you pay fine , you are a winner . Fair enough to be mentionned. I will not tell what I do to react against this. This a personnal answer to a personnal problem. But many on this list do not want the Ps back in meteorites. Easy: when you order from The Ps, ask for an invoice, and report your transaction to the french administration. It is very easy, one of my very close relatives is in charge of the tax infractions in Grenoble, just were they live. The Ps must know that anytime they make business in meteorites, they are in danger. ( I will forward the invoices or the details of any of your transactions if you need help. ) They must know that no customer is a safe customer. BTW, their libyan meteorites were smuggled through at least 3 borders, their algerian meteorites as well, plus infraction to Algerian Laws. I did not saw these facts in the case against Bruno Carine. The Ps have a very selective memory.They also read all my posts and use them to document their files in the case against BC. But they only take a phrase here and there. To day I must reveal that a laywer receives copy of oll my emails, in their integrity, just in case. I am a professinnal dealer. I have the means of my politics and I do protect myself. I must also reveal that I have the best connexions in the administration of 2 large saharan countries, just say algeria and mauritania. This is not a personnal warning. Just facts. Please Bernd ask for your invoice to the Ps. Bernd you must know that a professionnal dealer with a business licence pays taxes and all sorts of things. Ps sell meteorites twice the price you should pay. When you buy at Ps, you are buying in a duty free !!! Ask for the discount today. Best regards Michel - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 1:41 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Now Bernd you're really surprising me, you as a person of keen intellect. We had here and frequently have the revely of the Hupes, Farmer, Bessey, yip and also Matteo et.al. with sometimes unpicturesque expressions and boring recurrent litanies, but don't you see, that this accusations of that Pellisons have a fundamentally different quality? Read their pages, about NWAs and terrorism. Can you find there any hard proof or even only a hint which could manifest their allegations? I can't. I'm really not interested in the motives, what those person intend with this tirades and unbacked claims, although it is quite obvious, but what are they doing? They use the current discourses and especially the paranoia with the islamic terrorism (which seems to be most wide spread in USA, where the most and wealthiest collectors by the way are living) to discredit and to ruin their possible competitors as FectayBidet, Hupes, Bessey, Farmer, Franco, Ralew, Hmani, Habibi, Cimala, and all, who ever got a NWA in their fingers. This is the evident intention, not even very far behind the curtains - and, that what might be more important for you, they imply with this webpage, and this directly in the center on the stage, that you, Bernd Pauli, who possesses at least one NWA not bought from them, maintained with the purchases of those stones murderous, inhuman terrorism. (In my eyes a somewhat impolite way to speak about his own clients). This is the quality of their statements. Read it by your own. You may take it for the usual rants between jealous dealers, I for my own am Martin Altmann and a collector and certainly not in a need nor in the mood to be discredited and libelled by such persons with low attitude and of doubtfull character to have supported criminals in owning a NWA meteorite. You may going on buying from those persons, I for my part , if I won't find here a personal apology to me here on the list or a proof for their statements, will recommend to the 500+ collectors, whit whom I traded and dealt meteorites until know, to avoid to buy from the Pellisons. And so should anyone from this list do in my eyes, as we had this issue several months before on that list here and since then, those subjects were not able to add any proof to their website nor took it offline. My opinion. Martin PS: Am I allowed too, Bernd, to call you from now an a supporter of terrorism? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 12:08 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Mike
Fw: [meteorite-list] Ben Guérir fall
Hello Philippe, That's a fine 1037gr Ben Guérir meteorite that you have in your interesting website. Congratulations! I wish it was mine...eh!eh! :) José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: philippe thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:40 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ben Guérir fall Hello everybody, I have created a new page on my website about the new Moroccan fall Ben Guérir. Here is the link : http://www.meteoritica.com Best wishes, Philippe __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Algeria
Mike, for good sake, please don't mix up everything. You are an intelligent guy. Do not play the destabilization game. Meteorites are messengers of peace. If there is a crime in the Bronx it does not changes the life in Tuscon. Where I go in algeria is 2000 km from where the crimes are commited. When you are in Ensisheim, you are closer to the zone of danger near Algiers than in the deep algerian sahara wher i go. There are more integrists ( of any religion ) in France and Germany, the countries around and close to Ensishiem and Munich than inhabitants in the deep algerian sahara. Take care when you come to see us ! Just my 2 cents Michel - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Algeria for those who cant see the links, here is the article from one of them. tens of thousands dead , Hours later, gunmen used automatic weapons and axes to kill three children and their parents in a village near Djendel Doesnt sound like fun to me tens of thousands dead Hours later, gunmen used automatic weapons and axes to kill three children and their parents in a village near Djendel LONDON (AFP) - Amnesty International called Thursday for an independent inquiry into a recent wave of massacres in Algeria, in which at least 310 people have been killed. The killings, which come during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, are being blamed by the Algerian government and press on Islamists, in an eight-year civil war campaign in the northern African country which has claimed more than 100,000 lives. The authorities must ensure that full, impartial and independent investigations are carried out, Amnesty said in a statement from London. These killings must not be allowed to join the long list of unsolved crimes, it continued. Press reports in Algeria Thursday said Islamist fighters on Wednesday massacred eight people in a village in the Chlef region, 200 kilometers (125 miles) west of the capital Algiers. Hours later, gunmen used automatic weapons and axes to kill three children and their parents in a village near Djendel, 110 kilometers (70 miles) southwest of Algiers, reports said. These raids and other incidents, including a bomb attack, in several parts of northern Algeria took the death toll from violence blamed by the Algerian government and press on Islamists opposed to the secular state to at least 110 since Saturday. At least 310 people have been massacred since Ramadan began on November 27th. - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Algeria More links on massacres, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/139630.stm http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2000-12/23/article6.shtml anytime there are massacres, where hundreds are killed, I would consider that place to be a dangerous place, and not willing to take my family there too often. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 2:22 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Algeria Here is a nice map of attacks, this one is just for June, 2003. http://www.algeria-interface.com/new/rubriques/english/violence/pages/jun2003.htm Algeria may not be the worst place in the world, and tourists seem to have no problems in Algiers, but leaving the city seems to be a little dangerous. Not exactly a nice tourist spot. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] give your opnion on this plz
Matteo, The real point was that everyone was so busy arguing, that they paid no attention to a new person asking an honest question. I think he deserved more attention than the Pellisons. New people are very important. Do you have children? I do. Nothing upsets a really positive train of thought than total disregard. Bill -- Original message -- From: McomeMeteorite Meteorite [EMAIL PROTECTED] for me is not a meteorite Matteo From: Mark Van Tomme [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] give your opnion on this plz Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:42:11 -0800 (PST) Hi folks, It's my first post here,I spent a long time just lurking,I hope it will be of help... In fact it's just to show some pics of a small stone that was found in Belgium some weeks ago. The guy who found this stone says it sticks to the magnet. It was found near the city of Arlon. Best Mark http://users.skynet.be/bk287842/fossiles/meteorite/jpg_001.htm __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Ricerche online più semplici e veloci con MSN Toolbar! http://toolbar.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] give your opnion on this plz
I'd like to thanks for all replies posted. I've hoped it could be a meteorite because sonic boom noises were heard in Belgium coupled with sightings of a falling luminescent object. Regards Mark __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
FW: Re: [meteorite-list] Algeria
-- Forwarded Message: -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michel Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Algeria Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:00:05 + Michel has this correct. You can't argue with that. Bill -- Original message -- From: Michel Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike, for good sake, please don't mix up everything. You are an intelligent guy. Do not play the destabilization game. Meteorites are messengers of peace. If there is a crime in the Bronx it does not changes the life in Tuscon. Where I go in algeria is 2000 km from where the crimes are commited. When you are in Ensisheim, you are closer to the zone of danger near Algiers than in the deep algerian sahara wher i go. There are more integrists ( of any religion ) in France and Germany, the countries around and close to Ensishiem and Munich than inhabitants in the deep algerian sahara. Take care when you come to see us ! Just my 2 cents Michel - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Algeria for those who cant see the links, here is the article from one of them. tens of thousands dead , Hours later, gunmen used automatic weapons and axes to kill three children and their parents in a village near Djendel Doesnt sound like fun to me tens of thousands dead Hours later, gunmen used automatic weapons and axes to kill three children and their parents in a village near Djendel LONDON (AFP) - Amnesty International called Thursday for an independent inquiry into a recent wave of massacres in Algeria, in which at least 310 people have been killed. The killings, which come during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, are being blamed by the Algerian government and press on Islamists, in an eight-year civil war campaign in the northern African country which has claimed more than 100,000 lives. The authorities must ensure that full, impartial and independent investigations are carried out, Amnesty said in a statement from London. These killings must not be allowed to join the long list of unsolved crimes, it continued. Press reports in Algeria Thursday said Islamist fighters on Wednesday massacred eight people in a village in the Chlef region, 200 kilometers (125 miles) west of the capital Algiers. Hours later, gunmen used automatic weapons and axes to kill three children and their parents in a village near Djendel, 110 kilometers (70 miles) southwest of Algiers, reports said. These raids and other incidents, including a bomb attack, in several parts of northern Algeria took the death toll from violence blamed by the Algerian government and press on Islamists opposed to the secular state to at least 110 since Saturday. At least 310 people have been massacred since Ramadan began on November 27th. - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Algeria More links on massacres, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/139630.stm http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2000-12/23/article6.shtml anytime there are massacres, where hundreds are killed, I would consider that place to be a dangerous place, and not willing to take my family there too often. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 2:22 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Algeria Here is a nice map of attacks, this one is just for June, 2003. http://www.algeria-interface.com/new/rubriques/english/violence/pages/jun2003.ht m Algeria may not be the worst place in the world, and tourists seem to have no problems in Algiers, but leaving the city seems to be a little dangerous. Not exactly a nice tourist spot. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] PF, Riverdale
Just a note to anyone interested. The seller of the Park Forest slice found in the back of the pickup truck in Riverdale Illinois hasn't responded to me. Did anyone else ask him for and receive an answer? I asked him where the truck was parked on the night of the fall and asked him if I could meet to see it. For $100 a gram I don't think it was an unreasonable request.. As David Freeman said, even though it may or may not apply to this situation, I'd sure like to know where this turnip truck was parked. Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] benguerir fall
Hiho, sometimes I mean to hear a certain tenor in that mails, which annotate, that now the Morrocans ask to high prices. Why should they not ask prices, which are closer to that, what a collector has to pay? Meteorites are meteorites, no matter where they fall. What is the difference between a Park Forest and this new fall? Why is it o.k. to sell Park Forest at 40$/g, as you may see on some webpages and this new fall should be to expensive with it's 6$? Why should we expect the Morrocans to continue to sell their meteorites at prices of a small fraction of that, what you'll find on the dealers pages or on ebay? O.k. in general the stuff has no field data and one has to do the classification and the preparation, but the prices at which they sold in past the achondrites f.e. were often ridicolous compared to those, paid later by the collectors (just take a look to the dealer's list). They found the stones, they brought them to market and many of us made some good bucks in reselling them. Imagine, if from the beginning on the Marrocains would have sold it directly on ebay to the collectors... Of course 6$/g buying price is not attractive for resale, but as a collector's price for a fresh new fall certainly not to high. And in general, if they start to sell more expensive, the retail prices will raise, the profit marge may be a little bit shorter for a certain time, but all in all, demandsupply I learned here on the list, it stays the same for the resellers. Or shall we regard the Morrocains because the living standard in Morrocco is lower than in Europe and USA as impudent, because they ask now prices closer to that here asked? The approaching meteorite does not choose where to fall, Morrocans are not second-class-people. If one thinks, that it's to expensive - leave it and say just, bravo Matteo, no thanks without complains. My thoughts. (If a new OC will fall in my backyard, be sure that I ask more than 6 bucks per gram. O.k. if it's a large one, perhaps to the closest collector friends and to those, who donated and helped in Romania, I would make a low price..) Martin - Original Message - From: McomeMeteorite Meteorite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 8:01 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] benguerir fall $6/gr.? Exaggeratedmoroccan people want to much now.and I say when the moroccans give to me in offer this material no thanks, exaggerated price . Matteo __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Clarifying some things
Martin wrote: You may go on buying from those persons, ... Michel Franco wrote: When you buy at Ps, you are buying in a duty free !!! I had quoted: reality is less than perfect ... and Mike responded: What do you mean Bernd, did you not read their website? I just don't understand what you just wrote. Some clarifications are necessary here: 1) Martin and Michel, I have never bought a meteorite from the Pelissons - there is not one meteorite in my collection that comes from them. 2) Maybe I should not have quoted Mike's remark out of its proper context but I wanted to prevent mentioning any specific names from former rantings: The reality is less than perfect ... comment was taken from the preceding commotion between an Italian list member and an American list member. Mike F. was referring to the fact that, although he respected my wish for a harmonious co-existence among people, reality does show that this is only wishful thinking. Several recent events - including the Pelissons' accusations obviously prove that Mike's statement is true and thus I wrote, so sad but so true! 3) I thought I had made my point quite clear when I responded to Tracy's mail: enraged if this should be more than just a nasty, filthy joke. Wishing everyone a good day, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Maskelynite - a repost
Jeff from Down Under wrote: Can anyone tell me exactly how Maskelynite is formed and if it has been found on Earth? Maskelynite 01) John G. Burke, Cosmic Debris, Meteorites in History, page 190: In 1871 Tschermak wrote to Maskelyne: I am still continually busy with meteorites, chiefly with an investigation of the Shergotty stone. I have found therein an augite and a colorless silicate that crystallizes in the tesseral isometric system . I shall analyse the latter in the next few days. It is probably something new, and I shall give it the name Maskelynite, in your honor since you were the first to have undertaken the analyses of meteoritic minerals in the most salutary way. page 191: Tschermak's initial judgment concerning maskelynite was somewhat off the mark; it is a plagioclase , labradorite , converted by a preterrestrial impact shock to an isotropic or imperfectly isotropic glass. page 244: Shock has been shown to be the cause of the transformation of a normal plagioclase feldspar into the mineral maskelynite. = maskelynite = plagioclase feldspar transformed by intense shock pressure plagioclase feldspar = (Na,Ca)(SiAl)3O8 02) J.T. Wasson, Meteorites, pp. 73-74: Investigations during the past few years show that many common petrological features of meteorites are of shock origin ... Some of these properties are produced only by shock (e.g. Neumann lamellae or maskelynite), whereas others are purely thermal effects. Shock indicator *Minimum* shock pressure (kb) Plagioclase maskelynite 300 Neumann lamellae in kamacite10 Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Clarifying some things
Consensus: It's a strrange but beautiful world. Let's turn to something less annoying and enjoy our Geminids, which will have this year a comfortable maximum for the working Europeans. (hope our specialists from the list will catch some nice pictures). Cheers! Martin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 12:09 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Clarifying some things Martin wrote: You may go on buying from those persons, ... Michel Franco wrote: When you buy at Ps, you are buying in a duty free !!! I had quoted: reality is less than perfect ... and Mike responded: What do you mean Bernd, did you not read their website? I just don't understand what you just wrote. Some clarifications are necessary here: 1) Martin and Michel, I have never bought a meteorite from the Pelissons - there is not one meteorite in my collection that comes from them. 2) Maybe I should not have quoted Mike's remark out of its proper context but I wanted to prevent mentioning any specific names from former rantings: The reality is less than perfect ... comment was taken from the preceding commotion between an Italian list member and an American list member. Mike F. was referring to the fact that, although he respected my wish for a harmonious co-existence among people, reality does show that this is only wishful thinking. Several recent events - including the Pelissons' accusations obviously prove that Mike's statement is true and thus I wrote, so sad but so true! 3) I thought I had made my point quite clear when I responded to Tracy's mail: enraged if this should be more than just a nasty, filthy joke. Wishing everyone a good day, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ben Guérir fall
Congratulations . Michel. - Original Message - From: philippe thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:40 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ben Guérir fall Hello everybody, I have created a new page on my website about the new Moroccan fall Ben Guérir. Here is the link : http://www.meteoritica.com Best wishes, Philippe __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture Of The Day - December 4, 2004
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Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Ben Guérir fall
Hello Michel and list, Thank you. I have added some close-up pictures of the BEN GUERIR meteorite. The magnification x30. Best wishes, Philippe www.meteoritica.com Congratulations . Michel. - Original Message - From: philippe thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:40 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ben Guérir fall Hello everybody, I have created a new page on my website about the new Moroccan fall Ben Guérir. Here is the link : http://www.meteoritica.com Best wishes, Philippe __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] hello meteorite
hello i have 3 meteorites for sal from morroco -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NO PELLISSON RESPONSE THIS MORNING EITHER
I figured that the reason we never got a respone yesterday was because of time zone differences but there is plenty of time this morning for a response by now. Yesterday you sent an email saying that Bruno was full of it and lying to everybody to the point that you are sueing him for slander when he says that you used my name as well as other dealers and scientists in court to make this moronic claim that meteorites are supporting terrorism. So me and everybody else is waiting for an explanation as to what Bruno has lied about and an explanation about that terrorist website. You have the benefit of the doubt from everybody now and everybody is waiting for an explanation about this website that you supposedly created and about the allegations that you used our names in court. Is Bruno lying when he said that my name was used in court by yourself? As I said yesterday I still have an open mind and if there is an explanation I (And pretty much everybody else in the meteorite world) would like to hear about it. The whole meteorite world is listening now as you explain that you are not this lying scumbag that you appear to be. You know me and other dealers have the resources to hire a french lawyer to. Me and mike farmer have been to france numerous times and I get to europe about 4 times a year anyway. It would be easy for everybody to sue you in french court since if you did mention my name in the same context as terrorism you have made a very serious allegation. Just because I cant speak french dont mean that I cant hire a french speaking lawyer. So tell me. Did you use my name in a french court or is Bruno scamming everybody when he tells everybody that you did? If Bruno is telling the truth you can bet that he would help us to sue your stinking sun baked ass off. Sincerely DEAN BESSEY --- dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As per the Pellisson's email of a couple hours ago, and even givin the fact about that moronic website that was purporedly created by the Pellisson' I have an open mind and am hoping to hear the Pellisson's side of the story. I dont speak french so I am getting my information from Bruno and what appears to be the Pellisson's own website. As I said I have an open mind about this and I want to know if it is Bruno that is conning everybody as the email that the Pellisson's made several hours ago seems to imply or if the Pellisson's are really such lying scumbags as Bruno and their own website would make us all believe. Below is my previous email to this list with all of the questions that I am sure everybody on this list would like answered by the Pellissons. Give us all the complete story so as to clear up any rumours. If you guys are not the lying scumbags that everybody now believes that you are I am sure that you can at least give us an explanation for for this moronic terrorist website. Sincerely DEAN BESSEY --- dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H. Maybe an apology is in order. Are you saying that Bruno and Carine is full of [EMAIL PROTECTED] and that you have never said that meteorites are being used to support terrorism? Has bruno faked that part of what appears to be your website and saying that it is from you? And can you confirm that you have not used my name or anything that I wrote publicly or privately in french court or media to support this ridiculous claim that deset nomads are somehow supporting al quida which you know as well as anybody is not true? Can you confirm that my name was never used in french court and if it was can you spell out exactly by whom and in what context? (Sorry my french is non existant so I need an english translation). Since we are trying to be civil please answer those questions in a straitforward manner for me. I think everybody else on this list would appriciate the honest answer also so as to clear up any misunderstandings about the rumours that has been flying around. Sincerely DEAN BESSEY --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let us explain the French problem with B. Fectay/C. Bidaut Bruno Fectay and Carine Bidaut have sued us in March 2004 for libel. It is only a civil action between B. Fectay/C. Bidaut and us to claim for damages. Now we are also claiming for damages against them. It will take several months to the justice before to return a verdict. As you can imagine, nothing is illegally done in front of the court : private emails are not admissible. And nobody can be summoned to appear in a civil action. All the remarks and all the publicity which have been given to this affair are the consequences of this civil action. Regarding our web page on NWA meteorites, the French court decided in our favor: Il ne peut être contesté que le débat sur les lieux de découvertes des météorites est
Re: [meteorite-list] great news
Hi Steve, Dave and all, I still have my old Sony S30. Great pics without all the bells and whistles. I paid $300.00 several years ago (4 or 5 already?, ugh!). I try to keep my finger nails cleans for the photos as to not distract from the meteorites :-) That's my story and I'm stickin' to it! Greg - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:08 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] great news Hi list.GREAT news!I will be getting a digital camera for christmas.I really do not care what type or what kind of camera.All I know is I am getting it.Just in time for tucson.YYYY!! STEVE = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] meteorite givaway followup
Hello again list.I have added 2 more freebies to a total of 15.Not to bad a christmas present for you guys.I have 2 saharans,1 nwa 267 left.I added 1 nwa 269 and a micro of dhofar 007.After these are gone, no more freebies. steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More Great News Nikon Coolpix Camera
Exactly, the first thing I through away (and wish I had later), hence, the flashing 12:00. It seems like it always noon here, cool! Greg - Original Message - From: E. L. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] More Great News Nikon Coolpix Camera Owner's manual...??? what R a owner's manual? E.J. David Freeman wrote: Dear List; It has been kindly pointed out by one of our nicest list members that my camera also comes with an owners manual which helps us take better pictures, and to set the light adjustment to compensate for different lighting conditions. Camera also comes with two discs and a patch cord so unloading pictures and storing them is actually easier than the old mavica and the 3.5 disc...how profound! And uses AA batteries that are common, and rechargeable! Guess I shall have to learn to read the manual! Best, Dave F. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Clarifying some things
Thanks Bernd, I think I get it. I did not study philosophy though in the University. Life is not perfect, we should all get along but don't. The Pellisons are a joke, but a dirty one that has the potential to come back to haunt us all. What if they stir the pot so much that one of us goes to a North African country and does not come back? Where will that put the collectors market? Or how will it benefit the scientific world, who have benefited so much from this gold rush of new meteorites of some of the rarest and never before seen types? We have a saying in English, the squeaky wheel gets the grease and the Pellisons are doing a lot of squeaking. Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 4:09 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Clarifying some things Martin wrote: You may go on buying from those persons, ... Michel Franco wrote: When you buy at Ps, you are buying in a duty free !!! I had quoted: reality is less than perfect ... and Mike responded: What do you mean Bernd, did you not read their website? I just don't understand what you just wrote. Some clarifications are necessary here: 1) Martin and Michel, I have never bought a meteorite from the Pelissons - there is not one meteorite in my collection that comes from them. 2) Maybe I should not have quoted Mike's remark out of its proper context but I wanted to prevent mentioning any specific names from former rantings: The reality is less than perfect ... comment was taken from the preceding commotion between an Italian list member and an American list member. Mike F. was referring to the fact that, although he respected my wish for a harmonious co-existence among people, reality does show that this is only wishful thinking. Several recent events - including the Pelissons' accusations obviously prove that Mike's statement is true and thus I wrote, so sad but so true! 3) I thought I had made my point quite clear when I responded to Tracy's mail: enraged if this should be more than just a nasty, filthy joke. Wishing everyone a good day, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More Great News ITS FIVE O'CLOCK SOMEWHERE!
WellGentlemen, now that is has been let out of the bag...It took me three days to get it not to be 12:00 ;-) Dave F. Noonish Greg Hupe wrote: Exactly, the first thing I through away (and wish I had later), hence, the flashing 12:00. It seems like it always noon here, cool! Greg - Original Message - From: E. L. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] More Great News Nikon Coolpix Camera Owner's manual...??? what R a owner's manual? E.J. David Freeman wrote: Dear List; It has been kindly pointed out by one of our nicest list members that my camera also comes with an owners manual which helps us take better pictures, and to set the light adjustment to compensate for different lighting conditions. Camera also comes with two discs and a patch cord so unloading pictures and storing them is actually easier than the old mavica and the 3.5 disc...how profound! And uses AA batteries that are common, and rechargeable! Guess I shall have to learn to read the manual! Best, Dave F. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Clarifying some things
Mike and all, I was answering Dean about it. The judgment will be most probably put online when all is finished. I have read the copies of what is allready judged. I cannot tell all but i can swear that the Pellisson lost and that it will costs them some k Euros. About going down there in Saharan countries I think that in some years ( I should say few years ) we will all need permits to do what we do. No problem, we will get permits if they are requested. These countries rich in meteorites are organizing themselves to have laws. We, professionnal hunters and dealers, have the advantage to be totally official. You have proved your skills. I think that having a permit or a license to hunt for meteorites is the same as having a permit to hunt big game. Many game hunter still go in Africa to kill big animals. I have no public judgement about killing big animals, it's a meteorite list. The best way is to be as legal as possible. No more tourists will buy meteorites in Morocco! This will concentrate the market towards people that really do the job: have them analysed. And you will get real official paper to export. And this will also reinforce the market making it more legal and transparent. Everybody is noticing that the number of NWA on shows is diminuishing. The market is becoming more professionnal. I may be wrong, but things are movin a lot in the Sahara and we will not have problems in the future, but we have to behave right with all these nice guys in the Sahara. They are and they will be for a long time the people that find 95% ( 99% ?) of the meteorites in the world. Today in each saharan or sub saharan country there is interest in meteorites. We cannot compete with them: they are good are looking in the country side and at distinguishing anomalies. We have the other skills to bring the best on the market, and science has its percentage or more. Nothing is lost. I am every positive about the effects of the NWA story. It will be an exemple soon for other countries. The way our community solves the problem will probably influence the decisions in many countries. Met Soc, IMCA and the list are sorting out many problems. At the roight present time we shoudl be more careful to avaoid any drama. The community does not need it. We are still fragiles. I will say: if you want to become a professionnal in meteorites, listen to the list and start a basic collection. you will build stonger bases and learn much more than going to Morocco to buy a lot of NWA. Forget the Pellissons they are done for or will be soon. I translate done for for them as they lurk: done for is foutus in french) Best regards Michel. - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Clarifying some things Thanks Bernd, I think I get it. I did not study philosophy though in the University. Life is not perfect, we should all get along but don't. The Pellisons are a joke, but a dirty one that has the potential to come back to haunt us all. What if they stir the pot so much that one of us goes to a North African country and does not come back? Where will that put the collectors market? Or how will it benefit the scientific world, who have benefited so much from this gold rush of new meteorites of some of the rarest and never before seen types? We have a saying in English, the squeaky wheel gets the grease and the Pellisons are doing a lot of squeaking. Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 4:09 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Clarifying some things Martin wrote: You may go on buying from those persons, ... Michel Franco wrote: When you buy at Ps, you are buying in a duty free !!! I had quoted: reality is less than perfect ... and Mike responded: What do you mean Bernd, did you not read their website? I just don't understand what you just wrote. Some clarifications are necessary here: 1) Martin and Michel, I have never bought a meteorite from the Pelissons - there is not one meteorite in my collection that comes from them. 2) Maybe I should not have quoted Mike's remark out of its proper context but I wanted to prevent mentioning any specific names from former rantings: The reality is less than perfect ... comment was taken from the preceding commotion between an Italian list member and an American list member. Mike F. was referring to the fact that, although he respected my wish for a harmonious co-existence among people, reality does show that this is only wishful thinking. Several recent events - including the Pelissons' accusations obviously prove that Mike's statement is true and thus I wrote, so sad but so true! 3) I thought I had made my point quite clear when I responded to Tracy's mail: enraged if this should be more than just a nasty, filthy joke. Wishing
Re: [meteorite-list] Clarifying some things
Hi all just wondering, the Pellisons are implying that if you ever bought a NWA then you are supporting terrorist. How about a class action law suit against them for slander? Everyone who owns a NWA can get involved. I am one of many who do not like that being said about me. If it is true that we are supporting terrorist, then it is a good thing, if they are out collecting our new meteorites, they are to busy to blow anything up! Now we know why nothing has happened since 9/11, we are keeping them to busy, thanks all you NWA owners! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Clarifying some things Thanks Bernd, I think I get it. I did not study philosophy though in the University. Life is not perfect, we should all get along but don't. The Pellisons are a joke, but a dirty one that has the potential to come back to haunt us all. What if they stir the pot so much that one of us goes to a North African country and does not come back? Where will that put the collectors market? Or how will it benefit the scientific world, who have benefited so much from this gold rush of new meteorites of some of the rarest and never before seen types? We have a saying in English, the squeaky wheel gets the grease and the Pellisons are doing a lot of squeaking. Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 4:09 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Clarifying some things Martin wrote: You may go on buying from those persons, ... Michel Franco wrote: When you buy at Ps, you are buying in a duty free !!! I had quoted: reality is less than perfect ... and Mike responded: What do you mean Bernd, did you not read their website? I just don't understand what you just wrote. Some clarifications are necessary here: 1) Martin and Michel, I have never bought a meteorite from the Pelissons - there is not one meteorite in my collection that comes from them. 2) Maybe I should not have quoted Mike's remark out of its proper context but I wanted to prevent mentioning any specific names from former rantings: The reality is less than perfect ... comment was taken from the preceding commotion between an Italian list member and an American list member. Mike F. was referring to the fact that, although he respected my wish for a harmonious co-existence among people, reality does show that this is only wishful thinking. Several recent events - including the Pelissons' accusations obviously prove that Mike's statement is true and thus I wrote, so sad but so true! 3) I thought I had made my point quite clear when I responded to Tracy's mail: enraged if this should be more than just a nasty, filthy joke. Wishing everyone a good day, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Clarifying some things
Hi Tom, Nice perspective. If it were only true, I would donate everything I hold to the cause. Greg - Original Message - From: Tom AKA James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Clarifying some things Hi all just wondering, the Pellisons are implying that if you ever bought a NWA then you are supporting terrorist. How about a class action law suit against them for slander? Everyone who owns a NWA can get involved. I am one of many who do not like that being said about me. If it is true that we are supporting terrorist, then it is a good thing, if they are out collecting our new meteorites, they are to busy to blow anything up! Now we know why nothing has happened since 9/11, we are keeping them to busy, thanks all you NWA owners! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Clarifying some things Thanks Bernd, I think I get it. I did not study philosophy though in the University. Life is not perfect, we should all get along but don't. The Pellisons are a joke, but a dirty one that has the potential to come back to haunt us all. What if they stir the pot so much that one of us goes to a North African country and does not come back? Where will that put the collectors market? Or how will it benefit the scientific world, who have benefited so much from this gold rush of new meteorites of some of the rarest and never before seen types? We have a saying in English, the squeaky wheel gets the grease and the Pellisons are doing a lot of squeaking. Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 4:09 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Clarifying some things Martin wrote: You may go on buying from those persons, ... Michel Franco wrote: When you buy at Ps, you are buying in a duty free !!! I had quoted: reality is less than perfect ... and Mike responded: What do you mean Bernd, did you not read their website? I just don't understand what you just wrote. Some clarifications are necessary here: 1) Martin and Michel, I have never bought a meteorite from the Pelissons - there is not one meteorite in my collection that comes from them. 2) Maybe I should not have quoted Mike's remark out of its proper context but I wanted to prevent mentioning any specific names from former rantings: The reality is less than perfect ... comment was taken from the preceding commotion between an Italian list member and an American list member. Mike F. was referring to the fact that, although he respected my wish for a harmonious co-existence among people, reality does show that this is only wishful thinking. Several recent events - including the Pelissons' accusations obviously prove that Mike's statement is true and thus I wrote, so sad but so true! 3) I thought I had made my point quite clear when I responded to Tracy's mail: enraged if this should be more than just a nasty, filthy joke. Wishing everyone a good day, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby?
Hello All, The name Pelisson reminds me of Pelican here in Florida, a bird that sits, sh_ts and waits for the next opportunity to grab something. These freaks are just in this for the attention, they grabbed it, now they will have to deal with it, grease included! I find the cartoons somewhat comical - Mark, do not peruse this line of comedy however! ;-) Not being a terrorist, I am sometimes terrorized by the occasional memory of the Denver Death Cookie event of 2003! Hey Mark, Blake how about y'all?(me learning southern drawl)? ;-) Greg - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:24 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Richard and Roland Pelisson, All, Richard and Roland Pelisson wrote: And if Bruno Fectay has something to express why does he needs to write through N. Classen and not with his own email ? This is ridiculous - I explained it in my initial post to the list. Once again, for your records, I wrote: I'm forwarding this message on behalf of Bruno Carine. They are having problems to post to the list, and thus they asked me for assistance. It's not that unusual that list members have problems to get through, directly, and it's a very poor argument to create the impression as if Bruno Carine were hiding behind my emails/name - I posted this on their behalf and in their name, and that's as good as if they had posted it themselves. There, here you go... Regarding our web page on NWA meteorites, the French court decided in our favor: Il ne peut être contesté que le débat sur les lieux de découvertes des météorites est légitime et présente un intérêt scientifique. La même légitimité doit être reconnue pour les discussions sur le transport et les opérations commerciales relatives à ces météorites We hope that everybody can return to his passion. And we wish that those interested by the subject will wait for the official decision. Some things might be legal, but that doesn't make them legitimate, nor ethical. You started the whole argument about money for terrorism, and now you have the nerve to tell us to return to our passion, as if nothing had happened? Come on! If you have ANY hard proof that ANY NWA funds were used to support terrorism, or Islamistic networks, go ahead and forward it to this list, NOW. If you don't have such hard proof, please go ahead and DELETE your most disgusting page, ASAP, and stop playing games with us. It will be then that I can return to my passion, and this has absolutely nothing to do with decissions in court, but just with common sense, and basic ethics. 'nough said, Norbert __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: [meteorite-list] benguerir fall
Hi Martin and all, Only one thing to say here, the Moroccans do NOT consider the many terrestrial rocks we all purchase in search of planetary meteorites, the cost of flying there, the cost of commissions, bonuses, etc., etc., etc. we pay for these. The cost of equipment, blades. polishing pads, classifying, etc, etc. We take the risk, they reap the reward but will not consider our costs or 'risks', financial or otherwise. I believe the Moroccan market will end soon, why all this weird Moroccan behavior lately?? (anyone who has been there more than a couple times or work with them, opinions??) It makes me wonder if this is the last struggle to capitalize on their diminishing recourse. I ask this out of my own experience and am not trying to start something here. This is just the way the meteorite market world works in Morocco, they play each of us against each other and they play each other. Like Dean pointed out, we were told that Mike was just there buying up all of the new material at $6.00 a gram so we better hurry up and offer more... I just received an email today that my buy price is $2000.00 per kilo, or $2.00 per gram. In two days the price has dropped by 66%. Amazing! I am optimistic about this new fall, but cautionary at the same time. Is this a new fall? Once I see actual material in my own hand, I can not say. I hope so. If the Moroccans want to market their material directly to us, great, just do it properly without the games. If this were to ever happen, we would all have even less expensive NWA meteorites because those of us who deal there would not have to include the costs involved in acquiring these awesome finds. Just my two cents, Greg - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: McomeMeteorite Meteorite [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 4:57 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] benguerir fall Hiho, sometimes I mean to hear a certain tenor in that mails, which annotate, that now the Morrocans ask to high prices. Why should they not ask prices, which are closer to that, what a collector has to pay? Meteorites are meteorites, no matter where they fall. What is the difference between a Park Forest and this new fall? Why is it o.k. to sell Park Forest at 40$/g, as you may see on some webpages and this new fall should be to expensive with it's 6$? Why should we expect the Morrocans to continue to sell their meteorites at prices of a small fraction of that, what you'll find on the dealers pages or on ebay? O.k. in general the stuff has no field data and one has to do the classification and the preparation, but the prices at which they sold in past the achondrites f.e. were often ridicolous compared to those, paid later by the collectors (just take a look to the dealer's list). They found the stones, they brought them to market and many of us made some good bucks in reselling them. Imagine, if from the beginning on the Marrocains would have sold it directly on ebay to the collectors... Of course 6$/g buying price is not attractive for resale, but as a collector's price for a fresh new fall certainly not to high. And in general, if they start to sell more expensive, the retail prices will raise, the profit marge may be a little bit shorter for a certain time, but all in all, demandsupply I learned here on the list, it stays the same for the resellers. Or shall we regard the Morrocains because the living standard in Morrocco is lower than in Europe and USA as impudent, because they ask now prices closer to that here asked? The approaching meteorite does not choose where to fall, Morrocans are not second-class-people. If one thinks, that it's to expensive - leave it and say just, bravo Matteo, no thanks without complains. My thoughts. (If a new OC will fall in my backyard, be sure that I ask more than 6 bucks per gram. O.k. if it's a large one, perhaps to the closest collector friends and to those, who donated and helped in Romania, I would make a low price..) Martin - Original Message - From: McomeMeteorite Meteorite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 8:01 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] benguerir fall $6/gr.? Exaggeratedmoroccan people want to much now.and I say when the moroccans give to me in offer this material no thanks, exaggerated price . Matteo __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby?
Having a hard time deciding who has more a authority... a French Court or the security cops down at the mall I guess I would pick the mall. One thing certain, I will purchase all the NWA's I can get my hands on, except any one that a Pelisson would make a profit on.. CharlyV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Hupe Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 2:24 PM To: Norbert Classen Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Hello All, The name Pelisson reminds me of Pelican here in Florida, a bird that sits, sh_ts and waits for the next opportunity to grab something. These freaks are just in this for the attention, they grabbed it, now they will have to deal with it, grease included! I find the cartoons somewhat comical - Mark, do not peruse this line of comedy however! ;-) Not being a terrorist, I am sometimes terrorized by the occasional memory of the Denver Death Cookie event of 2003! Hey Mark, Blake how about y'all?(me learning southern drawl)? ;-) Greg - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:24 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Richard and Roland Pelisson, All, Richard and Roland Pelisson wrote: And if Bruno Fectay has something to express why does he needs to write through N. Classen and not with his own email ? This is ridiculous - I explained it in my initial post to the list. Once again, for your records, I wrote: I'm forwarding this message on behalf of Bruno Carine. They are having problems to post to the list, and thus they asked me for assistance. It's not that unusual that list members have problems to get through, directly, and it's a very poor argument to create the impression as if Bruno Carine were hiding behind my emails/name - I posted this on their behalf and in their name, and that's as good as if they had posted it themselves. There, here you go... Regarding our web page on NWA meteorites, the French court decided in our favor: Il ne peut être contesté que le débat sur les lieux de découvertes des météorites est légitime et présente un intérêt scientifique. La même légitimité doit être reconnue pour les discussions sur le transport et les opérations commerciales relatives à ces météorites We hope that everybody can return to his passion. And we wish that those interested by the subject will wait for the official decision. Some things might be legal, but that doesn't make them legitimate, nor ethical. You started the whole argument about money for terrorism, and now you have the nerve to tell us to return to our passion, as if nothing had happened? Come on! If you have ANY hard proof that ANY NWA funds were used to support terrorism, or Islamistic networks, go ahead and forward it to this list, NOW. If you don't have such hard proof, please go ahead and DELETE your most disgusting page, ASAP, and stop playing games with us. It will be then that I can return to my passion, and this has absolutely nothing to do with decissions in court, but just with common sense, and basic ethics. 'nough said, Norbert __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] nwa 2377
Hi list.If you want to see a great L3.8 chondrule filled meteorite slice.Look at the NWA 2377 MAIN MASS I just got from greg hupe'.It is right up there with nwa 801 or the chondrule conglomerate that rob elliott has.You can view it on my showroom page on my website.Let me know what you think of it.Thanks so much greg.And as usual, the HUPE'S do deliver. steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] meteorite from moroco
hello friend dese is for sal one/4kg 2/250g 3/50g -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Meteorites from collection
Hi all, I have a few extras from my collection you might be interested in. Most come with labels. Please e-mail me if you'd like a photo of any of these or any additional information. Shipping is $1.50 1st class for the smaller ones, $4 Priority for the big ones. Thanks -- Bob (IMCA #5886) 1. Brenham pallasite: nice, stable 4g slice showing an excellent mix of olivine and metal. 30x10mm. $35 2. Portales H6 w/metal: Very fine 1.2g polished slice showing good metal veins in stony matrix. Comes with membrane box. $25 3. NWA 791 L6: Huge 561g hunk with a cut and polished end. Shows some good patches of fusion crust. $135 4. Richardton H5 veined: Fell in ND on June 30, 1918. Glass vial with 1g of fragments with copy of cool old label. $20 5. NWA 788 L6: 257g piece that has been cut and beautifully polished on 2 sides. Other sides show nice regmaglypts. $75 6. Korra Korrabes H3: 53g thick slice with numerous interesting inclusions. $60 7. Ghubara L5: 32.8g polished slice with an interesting lighter zone. Comes in Riker box. $28 8. Dhofar 054 H4: Found 10/12/99. Nice, big 88g polished slice 105x90mm. $45 9. NWA 065 H5: Thick, big 107.8g slice with August 2000 card Morocco/Sahara Desert. Expedition Number 1 from Cottingham and Farmer. $46 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] meteorite from moroco
I not have understand. Matteo From: braik bouchaib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite from moroco Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 15:02:59 -0500 hello friend dese is for sal one/4kg 2/250g 3/50g -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Filtri antispamming e antivirus per la tua casella di posta http://www.msn.it/msn/hotmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite from moroco
I don't either, braik where are you from? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm - Original Message - From: McomeMeteorite Meteorite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 1:57 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] meteorite from moroco I not have understand. Matteo From: braik bouchaib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite from moroco Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 15:02:59 -0500 hello friend dese is for sal one/4kg 2/250g 3/50g -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Filtri antispamming e antivirus per la tua casella di posta http://www.msn.it/msn/hotmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] meteorite from moroco
I think this is spam. I received this and similar mails privately as well. Bernhard Am Sat, 04 Dec 2004 21:57:14 +0100, schrieb McomeMeteorite Meteorite: I not have understand. Matteo From: braik bouchaib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite from moroco Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 15:02:59 -0500 hello friend dese is for sal one/4kg 2/250g 3/50g -- ___ Sign- up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Filtri antispamming e antivirus per la tua casella di posta http://www.msn.it/msn/hotmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: [meteorite-list] Morocco new fall news.
Hi Rob and list, Great question, why do it? Because it's there, as spoken by British climber George Mallory in 1924 when he was asked why he wanted to climb Mount Everest. It's kind of funny you ask now. I just had a phone conversation a couple days ago with Mike. We both enjoy the thrill of the chase, the excitement of the unknown and experiencing different cultures. The risk is always there but is part of the drive that keeps us going. I am single, without children, so I can take these risks without worrying. One of my most adventurous trips was to Kenya right before the deadline when the US was to invade Iraq, see 'Meteorite Magazine' August 2003 article I wrote, when Dave Marsocci, myself and others went there to search out desert regions for the allusive black stones we crave . If you do not have the magazine, I will be happy to email you the article (out of copies, sorry). (Be sure to subscribe if not already there, at http://www.meteor.co.nz/ ) Other fun expeditions are in the Moroccan/Algerian border, or disputed zone as coined by both sides, Egypt,, etc, Those and others I have written about, or plan to... a side note, here is my article of my recent treasure hunting of Spanish gold after the hurricanes here in Florida http://atocha1622.com/GregHupe.htm Take care all and happy hunting whatever you pursue, Greg - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Michael Farmer ' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 1:22 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Morocco new fall news. Hi Mike and List, Hello everyone, I have just arrived back in Tucson after one of the most difficult and dangerous trips I have ever done. I was in Morocco for the last week to investigate the new fall and a new Pallasite. Everything that could have gone wrong on this trip, did, so I left Morocco very quickly and returned home. snip Quite the harrowing story! Thanks for sharing it with the list. Your experience should give people pause -- a moment to step back and evaluate life's priorities. We all love meteorites, but it's important to maintain some perspective. Space rocks are not worth incarceration, let alone injury or death. When I read about your experiences, as well as some others that have appeared in just the last year on the pages of Meteorite Magazine, I wonder why you (and they) risk it. Of course, I realize everyone has a risk vs. reward threshold, and there is certainly a thrill aspect to just barely avoiding a really bad situation. If Morocco and the western Sahara in general were the only games in town, I could understand the appeal. But if meteorites are the true end-goal, then it seems to me that anyone living in the U.S. has the advantage of deserts in their own backyard. Why risk life and limb (and foreign food/water intestinal distress ;-) when there are plenty of meteorites waiting to be found in your own home state, or its desert neighbors? Which segues into an ironic thought that occurred to me earlier this year: many people have wondered when and where the next NWA is going to occur. Perhaps it's quietly already happening in the western US. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite from moroco
Hi Tom and all, I do. hello friend dese is for sal (translation: hello friend this is for sale) one/4kg 2/250g 3/50g Tom AKA James Knudson wrote: I don't either, braik where are you from? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite from moroco
hello list braik is from casa balanca humphrey bogart city. he have some looking iron that he get near taza he send me photo i do not know if they are meteorite or not give this guy his chance may be a new futur dealers. the problem in comunication is that guys could speak well french try with him french and he will show what he have may be something good. the morrocan market will never die , always news. all the best aziz - Original Message - From: almitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom AKA James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite from moroco Hi Tom and all, I do. hello friend dese is for sal (translation: hello friend this is for sale) one/4kg 2/250g 3/50g Tom AKA James Knudson wrote: I don't either, braik where are you from? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite hunters: adrenaline junkies?
Hi Greg and List, Great question, why do it? Because it's there, as spoken by British climber George Mallory in 1924 when he was asked why he wanted to climb Mount Everest. As a mountaineer myself, I can appreciate the attraction. There is nothing quite like climbing an ice couloir at 14,000-feet elevation and thousands of feet of exposure below you to put your life into focus. It makes you feel ALIVE. It also lends perspective to the really minor inconveniences that occur in other facets of ones life (particular at work). You find yourself saying, you know, this is nothing compared to the time I nearly killed myself on North Palisade. It's kind of funny you ask now. I just had a phone conversation a couple days ago with Mike. We both enjoy the thrill of the chase, the excitement of the unknown and experiencing different cultures. The risk is always there but is part of the drive that keeps us going. I don't mind taking risks -- but I prefer to be in complete control of those risks. Going into militarized zones where I might be either shot or run over a landmine is not my cup of tea. I am single, without children, so I can take these risks without worrying. I don't have any children, but as of three years ago I do have a wife so I can't be quite as reckless as I was in my youth. One of my most adventurous trips was to Kenya right before the deadline when the US was to invade Iraq, see 'Meteorite Magazine' August 2003 article I wrote, when Dave Marsocci, myself and others went there to search out desert regions for the allusive black stones we crave . If you do not have the magazine, I will be happy to email you the article (out of copies, sorry). (I've been a subscriber for 5+ years, so I remember the article). Talk about timing. My wife and I have a similar experience. We got married on September 8th, 2001, and left on our honeymoon on the 10th. We connected in London on the morning of 9/11, and while on route to Athens the WTC towers and Pentagon were hit. The airline didn't say a word about it. We found out from the taxi driver on our way to our hotel. He was in tears, speaking in very broken English. It took us about 15 minutes to figure out what he was saying, and even when we heard it we couldn't believe it. In the hotel lobby a stone's throw from the Acropolis we saw the footage for the first time. We actually watched live as the first tower came down. Now Athens is probably as safe as anywhere else for an American couple, but this was only the first leg of our 3-leg honeymoon. Most of our time was to be spent in Turkey. I knew our parents did not want us continuing on to a 99% Muslim country, so we chose not to contact them until we were already there. (I'm very glad we went because the Turks treated us like royalty.) Sadly, three years and 2 wars later, I don't think our welcome would be quite as warm now. For you, Mike and others, it sounds like meteorites may be the excuse for international travel -- but that the thrill is really in the experience and not so much in the meteorites themselves. That is to say, there's certainly more glamour in traveling abroad to an exotic destination to hunt for space rocks than there is, say, in doing so in the relative safety of the Mojave desert. But that doesn't keep me from wanting to go hunt in Oman! Take care, Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A note of excuse
Hello Everybody, Just a short not of excuse because I haven't responded to any mails today - private or ... - my wife and I spent the whole day with our grandsons, went to Xmas fairs (proper word?) in our neighborhood and had a lot of fun and satisfaction ... looking into my grandson Elias' happy children's eyes when riding a toy police car, a toy helicopter, a toy fire brigade car was far beyond anything I read and said on this list during the last 24 hours. No meteorite can compare to what my grandsons mean to me !!! Good night! Best wishes from happy Grandpa, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Oriented stone, the best out there!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=2288800398 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=2289035098 Look at the above links if you want to see oriented meteorites that have few rivals. I have another one that I bought in Morocco this time, best oriented meteorite I have ever owned, perfect shield shape, more flow lines than I can count! I will photograph it now and get it listed tonight, not one to be missed. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] A note of excuse
Hi list, maybe just for Christmas we should post pictures of our children or grandchildren. I know Dieter Heinlein has some cute one of his daughters with the Neuschwansteinmeteorite. Still meteorite related of course. I am sure Elias wouldn't mind to hold a rock! I know my granddaughter is very much the only person who loves rock, yes even meteorites, as much as her Omi. How about you, Larry? Sternengruss, Moni From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] A note of excuse Date: 04 Dec 2004 22:28:05 UT Hello Everybody, Just a short not of excuse because I haven't responded to any mails today - private or ... - my wife and I spent the whole day with our grandsons, went to Xmas fairs (proper word?) in our neighborhood and had a lot of fun and satisfaction ... looking into my grandson Elias' happy children's eyes when riding a toy police car, a toy helicopter, a toy fire brigade car was far beyond anything I read and said on this list during the last 24 hours. No meteorite can compare to what my grandsons mean to me !!! Good night! Best wishes from happy Grandpa, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite from moroco
dese is for sal, Sounds like a Chicagoan :) Bill -- Original message -- From: almitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Tom and all, I do. hello friend dese is for sal (translation: hello friend this is for sale) one/4kg 2/250g 3/50g Tom AKA James Knudson wrote: I don't either, braik where are you from? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A note of excuse
Dear Grandpa, No excuse is necessary Bernd. Not only are you one of the premiere members of this list, but it's obvious that you also know where to find the real treasures in life. Thanks for sharing a piece of your personal life with us. Best JKGwilliam At 03:28 PM 12/4/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Everybody, Just a short not of excuse because I haven't responded to any mails today - private or ... - my wife and I spent the whole day with our grandsons, went to Xmas fairs (proper word?) in our neighborhood and had a lot of fun and satisfaction ... looking into my grandson Elias' happy children's eyes when riding a toy police car, a toy helicopter, a toy fire brigade car was far beyond anything I read and said on this list during the last 24 hours. No meteorite can compare to what my grandsons mean to me !!! Good night! Best wishes from happy Grandpa, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A note of excuse
Not a bad Idea! Here's one of my 10 yr. old son Brandon and my favorite oriented chondrite: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/spacerox2001/detail?.dir=f328.dnm=e922.jpg.s rc=ph Bob Evans - Original Message - From: moni waiblinger-seabridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 5:13 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] A note of excuse Hi list, maybe just for Christmas we should post pictures of our children or grandchildren. I know Dieter Heinlein has some cute one of his daughters with the Neuschwansteinmeteorite. Still meteorite related of course. I am sure Elias wouldn't mind to hold a rock! I know my granddaughter is very much the only person who loves rock, yes even meteorites, as much as her Omi. How about you, Larry? Sternengruss, Moni From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] A note of excuse Date: 04 Dec 2004 22:28:05 UT Hello Everybody, Just a short not of excuse because I haven't responded to any mails today - private or ... - my wife and I spent the whole day with our grandsons, went to Xmas fairs (proper word?) in our neighborhood and had a lot of fun and satisfaction ... looking into my grandson Elias' happy children's eyes when riding a toy police car, a toy helicopter, a toy fire brigade car was far beyond anything I read and said on this list during the last 24 hours. No meteorite can compare to what my grandsons mean to me !!! Good night! Best wishes from happy Grandpa, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Trade anyone?
Dear List Members: I have been spending time this weekend working on the display of my meteorites. Wal*Mart actually offers some very nice inexpensive cases. I am posting this email to see if anyone might be interested in trading meteorites. Below are four specific ones. Gao - 13.1 grams http://www.nadurra.net/Image%20Files/Gao.JPG NWA 3140 Ureilite - 14.4 grams http://www.nadurra.net/Image%20Files/NWA3140.JPG NWA 869 - 332.6 grams http://www.nadurra.net/Image%20Files/NWA869.jpg Valera Cow Killer - 111 grams http://www.nadurra.net/Image%20Files/Valera.jpg Thanks for looking, and please also email me even if you are not interested in trading, but might have meteorites that you may be wanting to thin from your own collection. Best to all. Juris Breikss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ebay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQgotopageZ1QQsassZjpbrocketsQQsorecordsperpageZ25QQsosortorderZ1QQsosortpropertyZ2 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] holiday meteorite photos
What a nice idea, As I was reading that post my daughter ventured by and I asked her to pose with this piece of Wadi Mellene from Michel Franco. Thanks Val and thanks to Michel too! http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/users/41b2535ezf8699555/2c7d/__sr_/c577.jpg?phKglsBBic4Dk_4n To good times, Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Response to the Pellissons
Mr. Mr. Pellisson, I consider the situation the meteorite community is facing due to your actions so sever I have given this 24 hours of thought before responding. I did not want to over react or take unwarranted action. I consulted with close friends on the list, asking for feedback, etc. Finally, I find the following response modest, given the circumstances you have created and which we now all face: I have been to you web site, sirs, from the link you provided in your post to the list: http://www.SaharaMet.com From the main page, I then clicked on NWA contraband which took me to: http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html from which the following is a direct and exact quote: -- Smugglers, dealers, investors, all the people who buy, sell, trade and publish documents about these meteorites want to conceal the truth. As long as the collectors believe that unknown hunters wish to keep the locations of their finds secret, that all these meteorites are good for science and a good purchase, the business will go on! The plundering of North Africa, the support to organized smuggling rings, the financing of terrorism... -- Besides for impeaching pretty much everyone on the list in the above statement, you have reportedly individually used the names of a good many people for whom I hold deep respect not the least of whom include Bernd Pauli, Art Jones and Jeff Grossman in an attempt to prove everyone having anything to do with NWA meteorites - except yourselves, is contributing to terrorists. While it is no secret I am strongly anti war, I non the less passionately support the safety of people serving this country and most certainly consider all terrorists the enemy of all civilized humans. For you to claim the meteorite community supports terrorists - for your personal ends is utterly reprehensible. The amount of potential damage resulting from your outrageous claim is is yet to be seen, but is certainly incalculable in scope. Unless you immediately remove this atrocity from your site, to you I say, a permanent good day. Why anyone on this list would have anything to do with you or your business while you continue to host this on your site is beyond me entirely. As long as you maintain this wretched propaganda as part of your site (or anywhere else) under no circumstances will I purchase from you or speak to you or in any way whatsoever support any business conducted by you. Remove that site and then I will listen to what you have to say. Until then: If you post to this list, I will not respond or acknowledge your post. If you show up in Tucson, I will not enter your room. If you show up at my auction, I will have security remove you. Take down the site. Now. Good day, Michael Blood PS: Anyone else care to let the Pellisons know how much business from them they can expect as long as this atrocious portion of their site remains? on 12/3/04 2:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let us explain the French problem with B. Fectay/C. Bidaut Bruno Fectay and Carine Bidaut have sued us in March 2004 for libel. It is only a civil action between B. Fectay/C. Bidaut and us to claim for damages. Now we are also claiming for damages against them. It will take several months to the justice before to return a verdict. As you can imagine, nothing is illegally done in front of the court : private emails are not admissible. And nobody can be summoned to appear in a civil action. All the remarks and all the publicity which have been given to this affair are the consequences of this civil action. Regarding our web page on NWA meteorites, the French court decided in our favor: Il ne peut être contesté que le débat sur les lieux de découvertes des météorites est légitime et présente un intérêt scientifique. La même légitimité doit être reconnue pour les discussions sur le transport et les opérations commerciales relatives à ces météorites We hope that everybody can return to his passion. And we wish that those interested by the subject will wait for the official decision. And if Bruno Fectay has something to express why does he needs to write through N. Classen and not with his own email ? For those who want to know more about us and our work on Saharan strewnfields, you can browse our web pages: http://www.SaharaMet.com And our 2003 expedition on Mauritanian craters: http://www.saharamet.com/expedition/2003/craters.html Best regards, Richard and Roland Pelisson - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: La Memoire de la Terre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:38 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Hi All, I'm forwarding this message on behalf of Bruno Carine. They are having problems to post to the
Re: [meteorite-list] holiday meteorite photos
Here's mine http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/robandcolleen11197/detail?.dir=a3f3.dnm=1909.jpg.src=ph http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/robandcolleen11197/detail?.dir=a3f3.dnm=9eb9.jpg.src=ph Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 4:46 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] holiday meteorite photos What a nice idea, As I was reading that post my daughter ventured by and I asked her to pose with this piece of Wadi Mellene from Michel Franco. Thanks Val and thanks to Michel too! http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/users/41b2535ezf8699555/2c7d/__sr_/c577.jpg?phKglsBBic4Dk_4n To good times, Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] holiday meteorite photos
Great photos, Rob, But the first one should have included a piece of Kriptonite! Michael on 12/4/04 6:51 PM, Rob Wesel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's mine http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/robandcolleen11197/detail?.dir=a3f3.dnm=1909.jp g.src=ph http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/robandcolleen11197/detail?.dir=a3f3.dnm=9eb9.jp g.src=ph Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 4:46 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] holiday meteorite photos What a nice idea, As I was reading that post my daughter ventured by and I asked her to pose with this piece of Wadi Mellene from Michel Franco. Thanks Val and thanks to Michel too! http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/users/41b2535ezf8699555/2c7d/__sr_/c577.jpg?phKglsBB ic4Dk_4n To good times, Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] fireball???
Hello list, I walked out my front door a couple of nights ago and saw a huge red streak about parallel to the horizon. It was bright red and fast. This thing was huge, not anything like any fireball I had ever seen. I passed it off as some kind of reflection or something, maybe I was seeing things. It was between trees and stuff, so Today I ran into a friend that knows I am into meteorites and he said he saw the same thing, but with an unobstructed view. He said he saw where it hit, but we all know better. : ) But it does seem to confirm it was a fireball. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Algeria Tourists arrests
http://www.algeria-interface.com/new/rubriques/english/dispatchesafp.php?doc=041129204752.3ub8qokn.xml Here is the article that Mr Franco was telling us about. Pretty scary stuff. Where the Pallasite is in Western Sahara, the ground is covered with flint chippings and had tools. Be very careful about taking such things, as this article confirms. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Response to the Pellissons
Michael List, Taking the time to think before posting to the list is beneficial. Mr. Blood's post is exactly how I feel. My name was not involved, but as a serious collector it might as well have been. So long to the 'Sahara Team', never did and never will ! ! ! Best regards, Roman Jirasek - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 9:06 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Response to the Pellissons Mr. Mr. Pellisson, I consider the situation the meteorite community is facing due to your actions so sever I have given this 24 hours of thought before responding. I did not want to over react or take unwarranted action. I consulted with close friends on the list, asking for feedback, etc. Finally, I find the following response modest, given the circumstances you have created and which we now all face: I have been to you web site, sirs, from the link you provided in your post to the list: http://www.SaharaMet.com From the main page, I then clicked on NWA contraband which took me to: http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html from which the following is a direct and exact quote: -- Smugglers, dealers, investors, all the people who buy, sell, trade and publish documents about these meteorites want to conceal the truth. As long as the collectors believe that unknown hunters wish to keep the locations of their finds secret, that all these meteorites are good for science and a good purchase, the business will go on! The plundering of North Africa, the support to organized smuggling rings, the financing of terrorism... -- Besides for impeaching pretty much everyone on the list in the above statement, you have reportedly individually used the names of a good many people for whom I hold deep respect not the least of whom include Bernd Pauli, Art Jones and Jeff Grossman in an attempt to prove everyone having anything to do with NWA meteorites - except yourselves, is contributing to terrorists. While it is no secret I am strongly anti war, I non the less passionately support the safety of people serving this country and most certainly consider all terrorists the enemy of all civilized humans. For you to claim the meteorite community supports terrorists - for your personal ends is utterly reprehensible. The amount of potential damage resulting from your outrageous claim is is yet to be seen, but is certainly incalculable in scope. Unless you immediately remove this atrocity from your site, to you I say, a permanent good day. Why anyone on this list would have anything to do with you or your business while you continue to host this on your site is beyond me entirely. As long as you maintain this wretched propaganda as part of your site (or anywhere else) under no circumstances will I purchase from you or speak to you or in any way whatsoever support any business conducted by you. Remove that site and then I will listen to what you have to say. Until then: If you post to this list, I will not respond or acknowledge your post. If you show up in Tucson, I will not enter your room. If you show up at my auction, I will have security remove you. Take down the site. Now. Good day, Michael Blood PS: Anyone else care to let the Pellisons know how much business from them they can expect as long as this atrocious portion of their site remains? on 12/3/04 2:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let us explain the French problem with B. Fectay/C. Bidaut Bruno Fectay and Carine Bidaut have sued us in March 2004 for libel. It is only a civil action between B. Fectay/C. Bidaut and us to claim for damages. Now we are also claiming for damages against them. It will take several months to the justice before to return a verdict. As you can imagine, nothing is illegally done in front of the court : private emails are not admissible. And nobody can be summoned to appear in a civil action. All the remarks and all the publicity which have been given to this affair are the consequences of this civil action. Regarding our web page on NWA meteorites, the French court decided in our favor: Il ne peut être contesté que le débat sur les lieux de découvertes des météorites est légitime et présente un intérêt scientifique. La même légitimité doit être reconnue pour les discussions sur le transport et les opérations commerciales relatives à ces météorites We hope that everybody can return to his passion. And we wish that those interested by the subject will wait for the official decision. And if Bruno Fectay has something to express why does he needs to write through N. Classen and not with his own email ? For those who want to know more about us and our work on Saharan strewnfields, you can browse our web pages: http://www.SaharaMet.com And our 2003 expedition on
Re: [meteorite-list] Response to the Pellissons
So true, My Grandfather used to say, Pelican oh pelican, your beak can hold more than your bellycan. I don't think these people will ever get their fill. Bill -- Original message -- From: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Michael; You have echoed my sentiments exactly. I may point out that a few years ago, a well known meteorite person was caught thieving meteorites from a certain country and his name was not spoken in meteorite circles for a very long time and is not today a welcomed member of our fraternity. I think that his lesson was just. I feel that maybe this same type of treatment of the pelicans may very well be just. Pelican, a sea buzzard that has a gut so full of dead fish that it can no longer soar...mmm. Maybe a slang name change is due since we already have one whose name we do not speak? Best, Dave Freeman Michael L Blood wrote: Mr. Mr. Pellisson, I consider the situation the meteorite community is facing due to your actions so sever I have given this 24 hours of thought before responding. I did not want to over react or take unwarranted action. I consulted with close friends on the list, asking for feedback, etc. Finally, I find the following response modest, given the circumstances you have created and which we now all face: I have been to you web site, sirs, from the link you provided in your post to the list: http://www.SaharaMet.com From the main page, I then clicked on NWA contraband which took me to: http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html from which the following is a direct and exact quote: -- Smugglers, dealers, investors, all the people who buy, sell, trade and publish documents about these meteorites want to conceal the truth. As long as the collectors believe that unknown hunters wish to keep the locations of their finds secret, that all these meteorites are good for science and a good purchase, the business will go on! The plundering of North Africa, the support to organized smuggling rings, the financing of terrorism... -- Besides for impeaching pretty much everyone on the list in the above statement, you have reportedly individually used the names of a good many people for whom I hold deep respect not the least of whom include Bernd Pauli, Art Jones and Jeff Grossman in an attempt to prove everyone having anything to do with NWA meteorites - except yourselves, is contributing to terrorists. While it is no secret I am strongly anti war, I non the less passionately support the safety of people serving this country and most certainly consider all terrorists the enemy of all civilized humans. For you to claim the meteorite community supports terrorists - for your personal ends is utterly reprehensible. The amount of potential damage resulting from your outrageous claim is is yet to be seen, but is certainly incalculable in scope. Unless you immediately remove this atrocity from your site, to you I say, a permanent good day. Why anyone on this list would have anything to do with you or your business while you continue to host this on your site is beyond me entirely. As long as you maintain this wretched propaganda as part of your site (or anywhere else) under no circumstances will I purchase from you or speak to you or in any way whatsoever support any business conducted by you. Remove that site and then I will listen to what you have to say. Until then: If you post to this list, I will not respond or acknowledge your post. If you show up in Tucson, I will not enter your room. If you show up at my auction, I will have security remove you. Take down the site. Now. Good day, Michael Blood PS: Anyone else care to let the Pellisons know how much business from them they can expect as long as this atrocious portion of their site remains? on 12/3/04 2:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let us explain the French problem with B. Fectay/C. Bidaut Bruno Fectay and Carine Bidaut have sued us in March 2004 for libel. It is only a civil action between B. Fectay/C. Bidaut and us to claim for damages. Now we are also claiming for damages against them. It will take several months to the justice before to return a verdict. As you can imagine, nothing is illegally done in front of the court : private emails are not admissible. And nobody can be summoned to appear in a civil action. All the remarks and all the publicity which have been given to this affair are the consequences of this civil action. Regarding our web page on NWA meteorites, the French court decided in our favor: Il ne peut être contesté que le débat sur les lieux de découvertes des météorites est légitime et présente un intérêt scientifique. La même légitimité doit être reconnue pour les discussions sur le transport et les opérations commerciales
[meteorite-list] Another Message for the Pelisson Brothers
Richard Roland, I have taken the time to carefully read through the following page on your website. http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html After sifting through what is written there and the emails that have been posted to the Meteorite List, I have come to a simple conclusion. It is apparent that your real motive is to eliminate anyone in the business or science of meteorites who is in competition with you. I find it hard to believe that the two of you could actually believe that this grand conspiracy with word-wide connections really exists. If you have REAL proof, please show it to us without delay. If not, then withdraw your claims and remove the page of lies and half-truths from your website. It is a pity that the two of you would stoop so low in an attempt to promote yourselves. I have been to your website several times over the years and it is a wonderful piece of work (excluding the above mentioned page) so I believe that you must be quite intelligent men. Add my name to the list of people who request that you remove the offending page from your website. Sincerely, John Gwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another Message for the Pelisson Brothers
John wrote; It is apparent that your real motive is to eliminate anyone in the business or science of meteorites who is in competition with you. Well to me it is apparent that their real motive is to eliminate anyone in the business or science of meteorites to ever deal with them again! How dare them claim any of us are supporting terrorism! I will never buy anything from them, heck, I would not take something if they gave it to me! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm - Original Message - From: JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 11:19 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Another Message for the Pelisson Brothers Richard Roland, I have taken the time to carefully read through the following page on your website. http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html After sifting through what is written there and the emails that have been posted to the Meteorite List, I have come to a simple conclusion. It is apparent that your real motive is to eliminate anyone in the business or science of meteorites who is in competition with you. I find it hard to believe that the two of you could actually believe that this grand conspiracy with word-wide connections really exists. If you have REAL proof, please show it to us without delay. If not, then withdraw your claims and remove the page of lies and half-truths from your website. It is a pity that the two of you would stoop so low in an attempt to promote yourselves. I have been to your website several times over the years and it is a wonderful piece of work (excluding the above mentioned page) so I believe that you must be quite intelligent men. Add my name to the list of people who request that you remove the offending page from your website. Sincerely, John Gwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another Message for the Pelisson Brothers
Hi all, At first I thought this was a spoof, like Proud Tom. But the message is ugly. I'm sure that someone with bad intent found and sold something in NWA in the history of time! It happens EVERYWHERE. The idea that a few decide that they can label the whole deal is actually very naive on their part. These people are imbeciles. Zero response to requested public debate always indicates a negative. I think they will go away, I think they already have gone. The legal systems in every country are overburdened. I don't think these squeaks will be greased. I'm sure they would like to be. Bill -- Original message -- From: JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Richard Roland, I have taken the time to carefully read through the following page on your website. http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html After sifting through what is written there and the emails that have been posted to the Meteorite List, I have come to a simple conclusion. It is apparent that your real motive is to eliminate anyone in the business or science of meteorites who is in competition with you. I find it hard to believe that the two of you could actually believe that this grand conspiracy with word-wide connections really exists. If you have REAL proof, please show it to us without delay. If not, then withdraw your claims and remove the page of lies and half-truths from your website. It is a pity that the two of you would stoop so low in an attempt to promote yourselves. I have been to your website several times over the years and it is a wonderful piece of work (excluding the above mentioned page) so I believe that you must be quite intelligent men. Add my name to the list of people who request that you remove the offending page from your website. Sincerely, John Gwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] well fed ducks
So much has been made of this. Why are these ducks being so well fed? Why don't you use your much touted delete button, Michael Blood? Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NOT well fed ducks
Well, Bill, The answer to this is simple: This is not a bunch of quacking. This is accusing every dealer and every collector who has ever purchased a NWA meteorite from anyone but them of contributing to terrorism. If you think that is mere quacking, just see if, in fact, some bureaucratic nit wit doesn't rise to the bate and start slamming doors shut on freedom of commerce in regards to meteorites! Possibly many bureaucratic nit wits. This could have repercussions, not only in the free flow of NWA material, but of all meteoritic material. If you think this is mere quacking, then I do not believe you have reflected upon the depth of tragedy involved in the 9/11 incident. If you think this is mere quacking, then I guess you think it is ok to use the names of men of such contributions to the meteorite community as Art Jones, Bernd Pauli, Jeff Grossman and many others to try to prove all dealers and collectors except your self are contributing to terrorism. You don't think these acts hold the most profound potential to disrupt the free flow and availability of meteorites? This is much, much more than quacking. This is a truly serious threat to the world meteorite community. Your questioning of the seriousness of this situation truly makes me wonder about how aware you are of how the world works. If one does not see the enormously negative potential that has been generated by this web site they are lacking in both experience and in imagination. Bill, I encourage you to rethink your perspective on these matters. Most sincerely, Michael Blood on 12/4/04 11:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So much has been made of this. Why are these ducks being so well fed? Why don't you use your much touted delete button, Michael Blood? Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
